Juliet survived over a decade of relentless health issues and being told 'But you don't look sick,' by dozens of doctors and specialists, before finally coming across a doctor who recognised what she was dealing with.
Realising that there are so many people like her around the world, not diagnosed properly and struggling for years, Juliet felt it was important to share what she had learned, in the hope of helping others regain their health, and survive the experience along the way.
A senior project manager, photographer, artist, and author, Juliet lives with her son in Melbourne, Australia.
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Arwen Bardsley (00:00):
Welcome, everyone. delighted today to
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have you back for anotherepisode of the five star
wellbeing podcast. And I've gotmy beautiful friend Juliet
Wilson here as my guest today.
And it's always super nice tohave somebody who's a friend, as
well as someone who is a veryinteresting person with a
wonderful story and a lot ofwell being knowledge to share
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with my audience. So I'm reallydelighted to have Juliet here.
Juliet is a senior projectmanager, a photographer and
artist, and now an author.
Juliet survived over a decade ofserious and chronic health
issues and being told that youdon't look sick by dozens of
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doctors and specialists. She'snow written a book titled, But
You Look Healthy, whichchronicles her journey. But more
importantly, is a guidebook foranyone out there struggling with
complex and often undiagnosedhealth concerns. So I think
there's a ton of wealth that wecan all get from this book that
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Juliet's written and what she'sgoing to tell us today. So
Juliet, thank you so much formaking the time to come on the
podcast. And I wanted to juststart with a bit about you, you
know, your sort of origin storyand how you got to be where you
are now, having written a book,on this topic, all about your
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health. I guess I'm sure alongthe way, you will tell us a bit
about the health concerns thatyou have had. But I think that
probably helps to, to makepeople aware of the enormity of
what you've gone through.
Juliet Wilson (01:48):
Thank you, Arwen, I'm delighted to join you this
morning. So as you just said, myname is Juliet. And I grew up in
Eastern Canada, and also in thenortheastern part of the US in
Maine, which is an endemic tickarea. And I came to this
beautiful country 31 years agowhen I was 22. And Melbourne was
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actually my first stop on myround the world trip. And I've
lived here ever since. Yeah, soI guess the start of my health
journey. Looking back in my, inmy late 20s Actually, I had a
tarot card reading. And apsychic told me that I was going
to stop work when I was 39. Nowat the time, I thought, oh,
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maybe she means I'm going toretire young. But I thought that
was kind of unlikely, because Iwas looking at a career in the
museum world. And so I laughedit off and I just kind of went
on with my life. And then it wasover a decade later, in 2008.
When those words came back to meand at 39 My world collapsed and
I was so ill that I had to stopwork for two years while I
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slowly recovered from that. Inever dreamed that that might
have been what she wasforeshadowing. So what happened
was that after separating frommy young son's father became
very well unwell overnight. Ilost five kilos, I'd crushing
insomnia, digestive distress,headaches, sore throat, burning
patches of skin, brain fog,exhaustion, cold sores that
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would come in my eyes regularly,hormone and body temperature
dysregulation. I was hypersecreting cortisol. And that was
just the start of what ended upbeing a very long, 12 years.
When I look back, there weresigns that I had a compromised
immune system much earlier in mylife. It took me nearly a year
to recover from glandular feveras a teenager, and I've always
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needed more sleep than anyoneelse. I've always caught every
virus and bacterial infectionthat came anywhere near me and
have been worse than anyoneelse. I've always been told by
my doctors and practitionersthat I've that I had the worst
reaction they'd ever seen totreatments. And what I now know
is that contracting Lyme diseaseat a young age had actually
impaired my immune system andover time had left me unequipped
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to fight anything else off. So Ikind of got better after that
first two years, but it wasstill, you know, quite a journey
and things weren't quite right.
And over the next 10 years, Iwas diagnosed with a variety of
other things. First adrenalfatigue, then heavy metal
toxicity SIBO. And finally, moldillness. I treated each one of
those, but never seem to regainmy full health and I had the
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instinct that there was stillsomething that was undiagnosed.
Arwen Bardsley (04:25):
And I think that a lot of people like especially
in Australia, I know I've hadpeople say to me, oh, you know,
Lyme disease isn't a thing inAustralia. But of course,
there's lots of people who comefrom other places where perhaps
ticks are more prevalent andthat sort of thing, but I think
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it's probably useful to talk abit about Lyme in terms of, you
know, a 101 basics for peoplewho haven't heard of it, or you
know, don't don't understandthat. Yes, people in Australia
may indeed suffer from Thisterrible illness.
Juliet Wilson (05:02):
Absolutely. And, you know, it's a common story
that it takes. You know, mystory is not unique, it
generally takes over a decade toget a diagnosis of Lyme in
Australia. You know, the gettingthe diagnosis is very
challenging in other parts ofthe world. Authorities recognize
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that testing can be unreliableand recommend that Lyme disease
is actually a clinical diagnosisbased on the patient's symptoms,
history, tick exposure risks andrisk and current symptoms.
Current research actually showsthat they estimate 15% of the
world's population have beenexposed to Lyme bacteria.
Arwen Bardsley (05:42):
That's massive.
Juliet Wilson (05:46):
Our government's stance here is that people
cannot contract classical Lymedisease, and it's common co
infections. Because despite thenumber of Australians becoming
chronically ill after tick bite,there's a belief that the
bacteria that causes Lymedisease doesn't exist in
Australia. Now, this is based onresearch from 1994, that did not
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find Borrelia burgdorferi, whichis the bacteria that causes Lyme
disease in Australian ticks.
However, studies be done beforethat, and after that actually
found Borrelia species and ticksremoved from Australian fauna,
domestic animals and cattle. Sothere's plenty of proof that
Lyme disease does actually existhere. However, you know, in
Australia, the guidelines of thestate that a lab test is
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essential for diagnosis, but youcan only be tested if you've
traveled overseas to a Lymeendemic country because the
government says it doesn't existhere. And the tests that are
currently available in Australiaare not definitive, they're not
sensitive enough. It's alsobecause it can take weeks for
the bacteria to actually show upin lab tests. And tests are just
not always accurate, becausewith a compromised immune
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system, many patients don'tactually make the antibodies to
alarm infection, so they won'tshow up. So this means that many
Australians have to work withLyme literate practitioners in
other countries, through onlineconsultations or through going
overseas to clinics fortreatment at really prohibitive
cost to get diagnosis andtreatment. So that was why for
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me finding an effectivecomprehensive protocol that I
could order online withinAustralia was really a game
changer for me. And, you know, Ifelt that it was really
important because as I said, MyMy experiences are not unique,
complex, long term illness isextremely common, and millions
of people have been unwell foryears and unable to find
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answers. Without reliable tests,they're often diagnosed with
chronic fatigue or IBS orfibromyalgia. But it's now known
that if you suffer from any ofthose conditions or illnesses,
others such as adrenaldysfunction, heavy metal
toxicity, biotoxin illness orLyme disease, there's a good
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chance you will actually have awhole suite of them. And that's
because of the way theiropportunistic nature, when your
immune system is really low, andthe synergistic way they work
together. And because so many ofthose illnesses have common
symptoms. It's easy for some ofthem to go undiagnosed for a
very long time. But it'sactually the world leading Lyme
disease doctor, Dr. RichardHorowitz, who has given a name
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to this suite of illnesses. Andhe calls it MSIDS or multiple
systemic infectious diseasessyndrome. The great news is that
it is common, it's treatable,and you can recover. And my book
actually tells people how I didthat. And much more than just a
personal journey of myexperiences. "But you look
healthy" is actually the productof 12 years of research I did
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along the way into each one ofthese illnesses. And I'm a bit
of a nerd. So I researchedincessantly. And each section of
the book provides really helpfulpractical, easily digestible
information and resources foreach of the illnesses it covers,
as well as the common pitfallsto avoid during treatment,
because I fell into absolutelyall of them. And I was just rapt
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when Dr. Richard Horwitz, readmy manuscript when I sent it to
him. And not only gave me greatfeedback, but offered to write
an introduction for as well. Andhe has dedicated his life to
helping and advocating for thosewith Lyme disease. And his
support for my book andendorsement of its content is
really a dream come true for me.
Arwen Bardsley (09:21):
yeah. It's amazing. And so for you, you
didn't get a diagnosis inAustralia, though, didn't you?
Juliet Wilson (09:29):
I did, but I had to. I saw a local doctor but had
to do testing that was sentoverseas, right. So my tests,
you know, officially conductedby highly reputable
international labs whose resultsare taken seriously in the rest
of the world. My results wouldnot be considered official by
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the infectious diseases doctorshere in Australia.
Arwen Bardsley (09:55):
Right. And so is it called the Lyme disease
association of Australia who Iknow are getting $1 from each of
the book, sales that that youhave with your book, are they
advocating and lobbying thegovernment to to change, and you
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know perhaps do some more up todate research rather than, you
know, relying on this researchfrom the 1990s? On the ticks...
Juliet Wilson (10:25):
Yep. And their website is a wonderful resource
of a lot of information. Theywork tirelessly trying to
advocate and support people withLyme disease in Australia, and
there are 1000s and 1000s of us.
So their work is extremelyimportant and not well supported
enough. So I felt it was reallyimportant to share some of the
proceeds of this book to supportthe work that they do. And in
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fact, Dr. Richard Horowitz is apatron of the Lyme Disease
Association of Australia. Healso recognizes the value of the
work that they do, and theyreally value the support that he
provides in that arena.
Arwen Bardsley (11:01):
And so, is there any estimate on you know,
numbers of people who might havethe disease in Australia, but
don't haven't had a diagnosisand aren't aware that that's
something they could betreating?
Juliet Wilson (11:17):
Look, as I said, you know, they estimate 15% of
the population
Arwen Bardsley (11:22):
That's worldwide.
Juliet Wilson (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, worldwide. Now, there are no,
there are no borders or wallsthat stop ticks from, from, you
know, and other vectors thatcarry tick borne illnesses or
other illnesses and infections,there's, there are no borders or
walls that stop those from, youknow, from traveling to all
parts of the world, this ideathat there can be one part of a
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country that doesn't have tickswhen the rest of the country
does is, is just ridiculous,even, you know, some people
believe that there can be onepart of a city that wouldn't
have. But the rest does.
Arwen Bardsley (11:57):
Yeah. And so even if you can't remember being
exposed to ticks, but theillness could be carried on
another animal that might havethe illness or do you have to
have been exposed to a tick?
Juliet Wilson (12:12):
No, there are definitely other vectors or
blood sucking, You know, vectorsthat that carry infections. And
in the, in my book, there is acomprehensive chapter all about
Lyme disease, which listseverything from you know what it
is, let me just look upeverything that's in the
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section. Here we go. So what isLyme disease? Why is it
controversial? What are thesymptoms? How do I know if I
have it? Why is Lyme diseasehard to treat? What can I expect
when I start treatment, as wellas helpful resources? Now, Dr.
Richard Horowitz has actuallyput together a lyme
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questionnaire with questionsthat if you, you do the
questionnaire and you get abovea certain score, it's a strong
indication that you have a tickborne illness. Now that
questionnaire has actually beenscientifically validated. So
that is what's used in otherparts of the world to do
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alongside the clinical diagnosisand is very, very accurate.
Arwen Bardsley (13:25):
So people could do that for themselves.
Juliet Wilson (13:28):
That's right. And if they, if they then would
would like a, you know, a moreformal confirmation of that
there are things that they cando. But as I mentioned, you
know, even doing the highlyreputable, very expensive tests
from overseas, that may satisfytheir own curiosity about
whether they have a tick borneillness, but that will still not
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be accepted by the mainstreammedical community in Australia.
Arwen Bardsley (13:53):
Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to talk about some other
things that you've experiencedas well, because all of them,
you know, the adrenaldysfunction, the heavy metal
stuff, the SIBO, biotoxinillness, they're all things as
well, that I think, number one,a lot of people aren't really
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aware that those things could beaffecting their health. And
number two, you know, peoplepeople don't know, you know,
even what they are sometimes orwhat to do about them. And your
book is an absolutely amazingresource for for all of those
things, as well as the Lymedisease section. I wanted to
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start with the adrenaldysfunction or adrenal fatigue.
Some people may be more aware ofthat kind of term. But again,
it's something that's a bitcontroversial in the medical
world, but I really lovedreading in your book, your
explanation about the underlyingcause of that being mitchondrial
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dysfunction. So that is thepower, the power house of our
cells is not functioningcorrectly. Which, you know, I
guess anybody who understandsthat knows that that is really
major thing to have go wrong.
Can you talk a bit more aboutthat? And I suppose also just,
again, for people who maybearen't aware of adrenal
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dysfunction, you know, what wereyou experiencing with that? What
should people look out for?
Juliet Wilson (15:31):
Yeah, that's a really good question, Arwen. And
you know, the thing, the thingabout adrenal dysfunction and
the fact that the mitochondriaare not functioning as well as
they can, you know, you cancertainly take a lot of things
that will help your adrenalfunction that will, you know,
and that's what I did at thetime. You know, when I, as I
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said, the symptoms came onovernight, you know, I was,
weight just melted off me, myhair was falling out, I had
crushing exhaustion, but I couldnot sleep and I had these heart
palpitations that were waking meup at 4am Every day, and my
hormone levels just plummeted at39. I almost went into
menopause, everything I ate justhurt my digestive system. Yeah,
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and, you know, that was back in2008. And adrenal fatigue as a
term was not very well knownthen. And of course, the first
doctor I saw, you know, tried totell me that it was just
depression, not that, you know,depression is a is something not
to take, seriously. But, youknow, her solution was to put me
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on Prozac, which I had aterrible reaction to and didn't
change any of the symptoms anddidn't work for me. So sorry,
remind me what your questionwas, again.
Arwen Bardsley (16:50):
So I mean, so you've talked about what you
experienced with it. So justabout, I guess a bit more about
the mitochondrial dysfunction,what's going on, in the body, in
somebody with this condition.
Juliet Wilson (17:03):
So often, really, adrenal dysfunction is when your
adrenal glands and yourhypothalamus pituitary axis
become depleted or dysregulated,after a period of intense or
prolonged stress, or chronicillness. And so generally, you
can feel unwell exhausted, yourimmune system is low, you have
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sleep disturbances. And in themore serious cases you're
functioning can have theadrenals can be so diminished,
that you can barely get out ofbed for you know, short periods
of time each day. Now, it'sinteresting, so many years later
to realize that what I did atthe time to nourish my adrenal
function itself, and to help mesleep, and all of those were
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wonderful band aid solutions,but you've always got to look
for what is the underlying causeof the adrenal dysfunction. It
wasn't just the stress theunderlying causes. For me, as I
found out over the years thatpassed since then, were higher
than normal levels of heavymetals, mold toxicity, you know,
all of those other things thataffect your immune system and
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affect your body's ability tocope with the day to day
functions and to actually detoxproperly. So really, you know,
again, it, I'll come back to thefact that there's, you know,
what I see and hear from so manypeople is, you know, and the
same for me, I treated myadrenal dysfunction for two
years. And then I kind of keptgoing, and then oh, it was heavy
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metals, right? Okay. Well, if Itreat that I'll be good. And oh,
sorry, it's actually moldillness, okay. Well, if I treat
that I'll be good. But unlessyou're actually treating all of
them completely, you won'tregain your health and Dr.
Horowitz in his book, "Why can'tI get better", summed it up
perfectly, when he said, It'slike going to the doctor with 16
nails in your hand, and you onlyremove two of them, you will
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still be in pain. So it's veryimportant that along with you
know, and in the book, I giveyou lots of tips and, and
resources for actuallyrebuilding your, your adrenals
and for coping with the adrenaldysfunction and how to nourish
them. But it's really importantthat you actually get to the, to
the root cause of why youradrenals are not functioning as
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well as they could.
Arwen Bardsley (19:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Great. And yeah, I mean, I lovethat you said that, because I
mean, that's what I'm alwaystalking about, you know, it's
kind of it's looking number oneat the underlying the root cause
of what's going on. And numbertwo, it, you know, the whole,
the whole body, the wholesystem, you know, and it's not
just the physical system aswell, you know, I know, you talk
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about trauma in the book aswell, which is, you know, an
underlying cause of so manythings that people deal with.
And, you know, you Yeah, themental state as well. I mean,
you know, I just, we have to seeourselves as a whole system of
all of these things on all ofthese levels and treat that one
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Being in order to be well, soheavy, heavy metal toxicity is
another thing that again, Ithink, let me show your book
while I've got it here, becauseI just wanted to, you know, I
was amazed with the heavy metaltoxicity. Symptoms, you know,
the list is literally more thanhalf a page fatigue, dizziness,
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headaches, digestion issues,joint and muscle pain, anxiety
and depression, irregularmenstrual cycles, infertility,
well, it goes on and on nightsweats, I shouldn't say blah,
blah, blah, because it's notblah, blah, blah, it's but you
know, there's all these thingsthat I think again, you know, a
lot of people may have some ofthese symptoms. So my question
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is really, you know, when shouldsomeone consider being tested
for heavy metals? Because,again, it's something that most
doctors won't think about,especially, you know, just your
your standard GP, would probablynot even consider testing you
for that unless perhaps youworked in an industry where it
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was fairly obvious that thatmight be a problem. So when do
you think you know, the averageperson who might have a few of
those symptoms and hasn't beenable to get to the bottom of why
they just don't feel well?
What's your advice on when theyshould consider being tested for
heavy metals?
Juliet Wilson (21:28):
Yeah, look, that's a really good question,
Arwen, and you know, what a lotof people don't realize is that
we are exposed to heavy metalsevery single day in the air, the
food, the water through theground, the things we use,
consume, that we're exposed toeveryday, like anti-perspirants,
aluminium foil cans, andcookware, your tap water, your
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dental fillings, tobacco, smoke,rice, air pollution, auto
exhaust, batteries, vaccines,over time, heavy metals can
accumulate in your tissueswithout you even realizing that
it's happening. And as you said,you know, most doctors are
trained to look at a set ofsymptoms and make one diagnosis.
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And so when people like come inwith, as you said, this list of
77 different symptoms, theirfirst reaction is, I think
you're making some of this up, Ithink you're exaggerating. And
that is a common common storyfor all of us with this kind of
chronic illness, particularlywith this suite of illnesses.
Now, of course, one of thethings that makes it challenging
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is the things that are verycommon for people to suffer
from, such as Lyme disease,parasites, heavy metals, mold
illness, they can be hard totest for. Now, part of the issue
with heavy metals is, the reasonpeople will become unwell is
because they aren't detoxing orexcreting them, well, they're
not clearing them from the, fromyour body, from their body. And
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the testing methods are usuallyabout what is coming out of your
body and your urine, your blood,you know, et cetera. And so the
people that are most sick, thelevels will not show in those
testing methods. So it is it isvery, very challenging, and also
very, very common that heavymetals are affecting people.
Now, the other reasons thattesting is challenging is
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because the metals often areburied really deep in your fat
cells and your liver and yourkidneys, etc. And sometimes
they'll only actually berevealed when you've been on a
detox program for an extendedperiod of time. What a lot of
people understand as they start,what usually is a is a journey,
it's, it's, it's not a sprint,it's a marathon. And you do have
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to detox very slowly to makesure that your body can cope
with the speed at which thetoxins are moving through. So we
always say that, you know, asyou detox, it's like peeling
back the layers of an onion. Andsometimes you will experience an
increase in symptoms as you peelback another layer. The other
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thing is that toxic metals, youknow, are only on for instance,
in your blood in highconcentrations for a short
period of time after an acuteexposure. So most of us
accumulate our heavy metals tosmall exposures over a period of
time. So in different metals areexcreted in different ways. So
one type of testing may missmetals and another type of
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testing would pick up. So Ialways suggest that, you know,
find a good integrative doctorwho is familiar with heavy
metals, talk to them about whattheir preferred method of
testing is. What I love aboutthe comprehensive detox protocol
I did is that it there's notreally a need to identify
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exactly which metals you havehigher than normal
concentrations of exactly whichmycotoxins exactly which viruses
you're trying to get rid of. Theprotocol is actually
comprehensive In that, if yousystematically move through the
whole thing, you will accomplisheverything that you need to. But
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the important thing tounderstand about the Cellcore
Biosciences comprehensiveprotocol, which is what I use to
treat all of this suite ofillnesses that I had, is that
it's not just the products thatyou take, it's actually the
approach and order in which youtake them, which really is one
of the keys to the success ofyour full recovery.
Arwen Bardsley (25:33):
I would like you to tell us about that protocol.
But just before we do that,yeah, I had. So I've done some
heavy metal testing myself withmy naturopath over nearly a year
now. Or no, not quite ninemonths, so So I've just done the
third one. And so hair analysisis how he's been doing it. And
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it wasn't until so the first onecame back. And I can't even
remember, there wasn't anythingthat was super high. There was
there was one that was coming upas a low level, and it's just
escaping me what it was. Butanyway, it wasn't until the
second test. So of course, inthe meantime, over that would
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have been more than threemonths, between, you know, from
when I first started detoxing,just what you're saying using
binders using glutathione, todetox from anything that was in
my system that was impairing myadrenal function. Then when I
did the second test, then I hadthese really high levels of
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cadmium that came out. So it wasjust so interesting to me that
in first test that didn't comeout, but it wasn't until I've
started peeling back some of thelayers that started to show.
Juliet Wilson (26:52):
Yeah, that's very common, and often really freaks
people out. Because they think,Oh, my gosh, is not working. Why
are the levels going up? Butthen it's very common that the
levels go up before they comedown again.
Arwen Bardsley (27:05):
Yeah, yeah. It was fascinating. So yeah. As
you've brought it up, and I knowit's been a such an important
part of your, your recoveryprocess, and will be so useful
to so many people. Can you talkus through the protocol that you
discovered, and perhaps even howyou discovered it? And what
involves Yeah,
Juliet Wilson (27:26):
yeah. And look, there are lots of successful
protocols that people can use.
This just happens to be the onethat that I chose, and I'll,
I'll help you understand why. Sowhen I was first diagnosed with
Lyme disease, which was, gosh,over two years ago, now, the
timing was very close to whenthe international Lyme summit
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online was was happening. So Ithought, right, I need, you
know, in my usual way, I like todo lots of research, find out
everything about what I'mdealing with. So I listened to
all 35 hours of experts fromaround the world talking about
Lyme disease, treatments, etc,etc. And it was really the talk
by two doctors from the US Dr.
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Jay Davidson and Dr. Todd watts,that when I heard them speak
about their experiences, theirprotocol and why and how they
developed it, I justinstinctively knew that it made
sense everything they weresaying made sense. Now, Dr. Todd
Watts had recovered fullyhimself from Lyme disease and
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all of the CO infections that gowith it. Dr. J. Davidson, his
wife had been very unwell sinceshe was she was a child with
Lyme disease and CO infections,and she had almost died a couple
of times. And she fullyrecovered on this protocol that
they developed. So they felt itwas really important to share
their knowledge with the worldand you know, and they, they
created two companies Microbeformulas, which is sort of the
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public general public companyand Cell Corp biosciences, which
is more of the one thatpractitioners use, the products
are the same, they havedifferent names. It's a little
confusing. But first of all, allthe products are fully herbal,
very, very high quality, andthey're formulated for really
sensitive people. Now all of uswith Lyme disease higher than
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normal, heavy metals, etc. Oursystems are sensitive because we
don't detox well and we've gothigher than normal levels of
lots of things. They're makingour system not work the way it
should. So we often need tostart in very low doses. And I
love that Cellcore Biosciencesprotocol because they provide
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such straightforwardinformation. Okay, for phase
one, you take these fourproducts, you start on this dose
for sensitive dosing, you wantto get it up to this dose for
aggressive dosing. And it's justdepends on how your body deals
with it, how you build up thosedoses, but it was also when I
listened to them talk about thefact that the reason their
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protocol was so successfulwasn't just because the products
are really well developed,they're very high quality. And
they're formulated for people'sbodies like ours that need, you
know, that are often quitesensitive. It was the approach
and the order that you do thingsin. So first of all, you need to
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make sure that your body caneliminate the toxins that you
want to detox or the pathogensthat you kill off. Because if
your pathways that you use toeliminate them are not working
well, you can get these backups.
And you can get fatigue, jointpain, brain fog, you know, as it
makes, it actually makes yourbody more toxic. So the first
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thing that you do in thisprotocol is support your
drainage pathways and make surethat they're open, which means
you know, your bowels, yourliver, your kidneys, your lymph
system and your skin, makingsure that all your elimination
pathways are really working wellbefore you then start detoxing
and killing things off. Becauseof the you know, the the things
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that are then released into yoursystem when you do that. So then
it's really important that yourbody has the energy to carry out
the functions of detoxification,and to signal to your immune
system to fight off any of theinfections that you have, and
also to stimulate the death ofdamaged cells. So you know,
underlying issues like as I saidbefore, like viruses, parasites,
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heavy metals, medications,oxidative stress, those damage
your mitochondria, and can causedysfunction, this can lead to
that sort of low energy, thebuildup of toxins that decline
in your immune system, andreally impair the ability of
your cells to repair. So if yousupport your mitochondrial
energy, it will improve yourenergy help promote the healing,
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and also help maintain yourlasting health. So there are
products that you take thatsupport your cellular energy to
help with a detox that improvethe oxygen levels in your
tissues, which is important forthe respiration of yourselves
and for healing. And then traceminerals and amino acids that
again, support detox throughgiving your body what it needs
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for energy while you do that,
Unknown (32:17):
then it's actually an another really critical part of
all of this is, you know, ifyou're killing and removing
things, you really want to bebinding up the byproducts of
what you're killing and removingor, you know, binding up the
toxins themselves. Instead of,you know, there are a lot of
things that people take asbinders that are actually not
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holding those toxins for longenough. And it's just
redistributing the toxins indifferent parts of your body. So
the binders that they use withthe Cellcore Biosciences
protocol, are actually fulvicand humic. Based, these are the
latest and greatest in binders.
They are very effective andbinding everything from mold,
mycotoxins, herbicides,pesticides, mold, heavy metals,
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chemicals, radioactive elements.
And even, you know even betterthan that, you can actually take
them with food, they don't stripyour microbiome, like some of
the older types of binders, likeactivated charcoal, those sort
of things, they'll actuallynourish your microbiome rather
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than strip it, they're safe totake long term, and they have
high energy, carbon and oxygenthat your your cells really
need. You can take more than onebinder at a time, depending on
what things you're targeting.
And, you know, like with allsupplements that you take, you
know, to, when you embark on adetox journey, it's really
important just to start reallylow and slow, and build up your
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tolerance, what people find isthat the things that they really
need to most address are thethings that they will have the
most reactions to when theystart treating if they start on
on doses that are too high. Soyeah, so those are the things
that are really, reallyimportant to make sure that your
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elimination pathways are open,that you're supporting your
body's energy to deal with thedetox and that you're actually
binding up all of the unwantedthings as you're removing them
and killing them off.
Arwen Bardsley (34:16):
Oh, wonderful.
Sorry, did you sorry, did Iinterrupt you?
Juliet Wilson (34:22):
No, I was just gonna say those are, you know,
those mean that your your detoxwill be much more successful,
and you will regain your healthmore successfully as well.
Arwen Bardsley (34:34):
And I know it's in your book, but just for
people listening, what's thewebsite that they can go to for
more information about that?
Juliet Wilson (34:43):
Yeah, look, there are actually two really great
resources, microbe formulas,which is the original. They used
to have both a foundationalprotocol which is just kind of
for tune up and a comprehensiveprotocol. They now only do the
comprehensive protocol throughCellcore Biosciences. But the
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microbe formulas website has awonderful Learn section on it.
And you can join for free, jointhe website for free, then you
could search the Learn sectionfor hundreds of articles and
videos under any topic that youwant to look up. So it's really
easy. Like if you type in mold,you'll come up with a list of
wonderful articles, videos, theydo a live webinar each week,
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they have those that you can canlisten to as well, that's a
really great resource. They alsosupport the people that are
using their protocol around theworld with a Facebook group
called the Microbe Formulasdetox heroes. And that, again,
is an amazing resource where youcan, you know, search on your
topic, and you can find all ofthe different questions other
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people have asked about the sametype of topic, what all the
answers are, it's a reallywonderful, supportive community,
with a lot of people with a hugeamount of knowledge that they
share as they go through theprotocol. And it's a great way
of, you know, if you're about tostart a new phase, and you've
got some questions, or you'reexperiencing a strange side
effect, or you just want toknow, has anyone had success
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with this or that it's a reallyterrific resource. And then the
Cell Core Biosciences website isthe sister company. And that's
where you can order thecomprehensive protocol from
there actually is a supplier inBrisbane now. Who you can order
the products directly from whichis very, very helpful.
Arwen Bardsley (36:30):
Yeah, because you were having to order them
from overseas, weren't you?
Juliet Wilson (36:34):
That's correct.
Arwen Bardsley (36:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay. So but but members of thepublic can go to this Cellcore
Biosciences website as well.
It's not just for practitionersyep.
Juliet Wilson (36:44):
That's right.
Arwen Bardsley (36:45):
Yeah. Okay. All right, great. So you did
mention, I know, you'vementioned all these things, but
parasites as well. I mean, Ilove that quote, In your book,
if you have a pulse, you haveparasites, which I'm sure makes
some people go, Oh, my goodness.
So again, you know, when do youthink, you know, people out
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there need to be concerned aboutparasites? At what point do you
think they should again, begoing to an integrative
practitioner, and saying, I wantto be tested for these things?
Juliet Wilson (37:22):
Yeah, look, and again, unfortunately, parasites
are something that are difficultto test for, for a number of
reasons. You know, first of all,75% of them are, you can't see
them with the naked eye.
They're, they're tiny, yet theycan, you know, inhabit every
part of your body. Now, youknow, I'll never forget when my
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doctor first asked me, you know,when I went in with horrendous
new symptoms, you know, sorry, Igot mixed up, I was just about
to talk about mold. Anyway, withwith parasites. One of the other
reasons that they're difficultto test for is that unless your
stool test is at the lab, within15 minutes, they have a self
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dissolving enzyme. So by thetime your sample gets to the
lab, there is no evidence thatthey were actually there.
Arwen Bardsley (38:16):
Wow. That just doesn't happen, does it?
Juliet Wilson (38:20):
Yeah, so testing is tricky. So they often go
undetected, they may notactually come out in all of your
bowel movements. And, you know,there are 1000s of different
types of parasites, but tests,only check for some of the
common ones. So getting testedcan often be a waste of time.
Now, we, you know, despite whatI thought at first was that
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parasites were only found indeveloping countries or in
unhygenic conditions, they areextremely common. And again, we
are exposed to them every day inour water, our food, our
environment, our pets, you know,we walk barefoot on the ground.
So they easily enter our bodies,and it's when your immune system
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is in, is not working as well asit could that they then, you
know, go woohoo, here's a niceplace for me to live. And the
thing about parasites is thatthey, you know, they're living
off you. So their job is to takeall of your nourishment to
nourish themselves, but not tomake you so unwell that they
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can't survive. So they'll justyou know, one of the the early
signs of parasites is low iron,which is very, very common. The
other thing that is often atelltale sign of parasites is
that they replicate at the fullmoon so people often have
symptoms that are morepronounced around the full moon
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and the new moon for instance.
So there are things that yeah,just things like that. Like if
your symptoms are morepronounced around the full moon
that's a pretty strong sign thatyou've got parasites Yep, And,
you know, it was Dr. Todd Wattswho said, you know, if you've
got a pulse, you've gotparasites, and he's known, you
know, in some circles as theparasite guy. And there's a huge
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amount of really greatinformation, again, on the
microbe formulas website in theLearn section about parasites.
Now, parasites are oftensomething that is overlooked
when people are treating chronicillness. And the fact is that in
order to fully recover fromchronic illness, you need to
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start by clearing the parasitesbecause of the way that your
immune system can't clear otherthings while it's being affected
by parasites. So when I saidbefore that the order and
approach is important, this ispart of the order, where after
you open your drainage pathways,and you help your body have the
energy for the treatment thatyou're going to undergo, one of
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the first things you actuallyneed to do is, is treat the
parasites first, because thatwill then make it easier to
clear the other infections. Andyeah, as you clear the parasites
from your body, what people findis that often lots of different
symptoms and health issuesactually resolve. But the
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important thing to remember isthat, you know, it's like taking
out the trash, even when youfeel the issues resolved. You
You Do you know, I will continueto have a maintenance protocol
for parasites for the rest of mylife. Yeah. So
Arwen Bardsley (41:27):
And is that because we're constantly exposed
to them, so you can't reallyjust yet it's not set and
forget. Yeah,
Juliet Wilson (41:34):
that's right. And knowing that my immune system
has been compromised for a verylong time, and that I don't
detox as well as other peoplebecause of genetic variations.
It's just important that Iunderstand what things would be
helpful to do on, you know, on aregular basis for maintenance as
I continue to progress throughthe rest of my life.
Arwen Bardsley (41:55):
Yeah. And sorry, go on,
Juliet Wilson (41:59):
again, with any of the things that you're
treating, when you treatproduction of parasites, to
avoid those severe die offreactions, because when you kill
parasites, it then releasesoften other things, viruses,
heavy metals, etc, that arebeing housed in the parasites.
So again, preparing yourelimination pathways supporting
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your immune system and yourmitochondrial function. So your
body can deal with the mobilizedtoxins that are being released
and help rebuild your tissuesand your your immune system. And
using the binders to absorb andremove the toxins as you're,
you're going through thattreatment is really important.
Arwen Bardsley (42:36):
And the other thing, you started to talk about
mold before, I did want to talkabout that again, because you
know, as you and I know, almosta quarter of the population has
a gene, which means that theycan't deal with my mold exposure
really, very well, they willbecome very ill when they're
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exposed to mold. And that'shuge. And then that What is it
30%, or something of buildingsin the world have had water
damage at some point. So again,I just would like to get a
little bit from you on that on,you know, what you experienced
with that, you know, what peopleshould be aware of to look out
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for?
Juliet Wilson (43:20):
Yeah, absolutely.
And again, I find that mold isoften that thing that people
overlook, as, but it's one ofthe most important keys in
regaining your health whenyou've got this suite of
illnesses. And so what happenedfor me was, after I'd been
treating the heavy metals for awhile, I moved with my son to an
apartment near the beach. And Iwas doing some aggressive, heavy
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metal detox at the time, andstarted to have really extreme
symptoms two weeks after wemoved into this new home. Now I
thought that I was havingreactions to the heavy metal
treatment. So I went to a newintegrative doctor who
specialized in heavy metals. AndI explained, you know, the
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history of what I've beenexperiencing, and that, you
know, my symptoms had justgotten so much worse, and I
wasn't sure why but I thoughtmaybe it was the heavy metal
treatment. And he listened for awhile and he said, You know, I'm
not convinced this is the heavymetal treatment. He said, Have
you been exposed to mold? And Ithought What an odd question,
you know, I'm an outdoorsynature loving kinda girl. Molds
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not dangerous. It's just afungus isn't it?! Little did I
know and that was the start of avery long education into the
fact that mold is not just aplant or a fungus. It is
actually, you know, extremelybad for people like me who can't
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detox mycotoxins very well. Andand as you said, you know, At
25% of people in the world havea gene variation that mean they
cannot detox the mycotoxins frommold. And the figure on the
water damage buildings isactually closer to 50%.
Arwen Bardsley (45:12):
Oh, wow.
Juliet Wilson (45:14):
Yeah, that have had water damage at some point.
Now, you know, as I startedopening my eyes, you know, I
learned a lot that mold doesn'thave to be visible to cause
harm, that you won't often won'tget well, in the same
environment you got sick in youoften. Often even remediating a
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place completely is verydifficult and very expensive.
You really need to reduce yourexposure to biotoxins. But the
good news is you can get well,it's it's a slow road, but it is
absolutely possible. And part ofthat is also treating the other
things that are affecting theimmune system. But mold is, it's
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really important to treat mouldbecause of the way that it
normally affects your immunesystem, but your detox pathways,
so if you're not detoxing yourmycotoxins and your detox
pathways are getting jammed upwith with mold exposure, that's
also when your heavy metallevels are going to start
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stacking up when your otherpathogens, chemicals, you know,
pesticides, etc, those levelsare going to be also building up
in your system, because the moldis stopping your body from
detoxing Well, now, part of theproblem in Australia is that a
lot of areas we live in are highhumidity, our buildings aren't,
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you know, often aren'tventilated very well. A lot of
the modern architecture, forinstance, the home that we've
moved into was a modernapartment building near the
beach. But the windows, thebathrooms have no windows. So,
you know, it was it was veryeasy for the mould to, you know,
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take hold and, and grow rapidly,you know, in in the last few
months, knowing the amount offlooding and heavy rains that
are going on in parts of ourcountry and the humidity. And,
you know, it's wonderful to seefor the first time that mold
illness is being talked about inmainstream media. Because you
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know, even a couple of yearsago, people just had never even
heard of it. So it's it's goodto see the awareness is growing.
But I feel it is a massive issuehere that is still really not
understood very well not oftenrecognized. And you know, so
many people are living in moldyrental apartments with real
estates agents, and landlordswho are not doing the right
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thing, partially because theyjust don't understand the
seriousness of it. So it is amassive problem that I would
like to see a lot moreinformation about. And yeah,
it's it's the longest chapter inmy book it goes into great
detail about what mold illnessis. It is a biotoxin illness,
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which is also known as chronicinflammatory response syndrome.
And it causes severeinflammation and you know, this
cascade of other health effects.
biotoxins can be produced bylots of different things such as
mold and bacteria, but also Lymedisease is a biotoxin illness.
You know, so many people willreally become ill when they're
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exposed to high levels of biotoxins. And when they're removed
from that exposure, a lot ofthem can recover through their
body's detox mechanisms. But forthose 25% of us, we actually
need specific binders that willhelp remove those from our body.
And, and yeah, another, youknow, fact that that, I guess,
you know, kind of stopped me inmy tracks was that it only takes
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48 hours for the dampness from aminor leak, or a water intrusion
for mold, mold fragments,bacteria and mold byproducts to
start developing 48 hours. Andit thrives in those moist humid
places, like warm dark placeslike under refrigerators and
inside your washing machine, youknow feeds on wood and paper and
organic materials and and yeah,like I said it grows in those
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high humidity environments aslittle as 48 hours. And it never
grows alone. Bacteria alwayspresent as well and they also
release more toxins andinflammatories that work
together to make you veryunwell. So you have to approach
it in a number of ways you needto safely remove the source of
the mold and detox your body aswell as removing the other
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sources of toxicity in your inyour home and your workplace and
the other places that you spendtime. You know, and I know that
for most people, learning thatmold exposures affecting their
health can be quiteoverwhelming. You know,
understanding the you know thatthere are so many different
things that you need to do toremediate your living
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environment and help regain Yourhealth, but it's just you know,
taking one step at a time, youknow, and the book really talks
you through in a really deepdigestible and simple way, all
of those things that you need todo to remove the mold toxins
from your body and to make surethat your environment is not
further contributing to yourhealth issues.
Arwen Bardsley (50:20):
And, it also, what I love was the list of
things that you can do like on amonthly maintenance schedule to
make sure that mold isn'tbuilding up like, you know, the
putting the, the bicarb andvinegar down your drains, you
know, once once a month downyour bathroom drain and that
sort of thing, which is, youknow, just a great tip for
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anyone, regardless of if they'vegot no symptoms, or you know,
that they don't have that thatunfortunate gene defect if we
want to put it that way. Soyeah, it is what it is. And it's
so easy to read everyone andreally, really just available
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for for anyone, it's not, youknow, full of sciency language
that the general person on thestreet won't understand. So I
think it's wonderful in thatway. Before we finish up Juliet,
I did really just want to touchon trauma, because again, in my
work, you know, looking at whatthe underlying causes are of
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somebody's condition, it oftendoes come back to emotional or
even spiritual things that, youknow, have not been processed
effectively. So therefore, theyget processed by the physical
body. And I'd love for you tojust talk for a couple of
minutes about what youdiscovered about trauma and the
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impact that that's had for you.
Juliet Wilson (51:48):
Absolutely. And Arwen, you know, I had been
hearing for many, many yearsthrough my journey, that trauma
is often an underlying factor inchronic illness. You know, and
when you have a seriouscondition like Lyme, you know,
not getting rid of thoseunaddressed traumas or clusters
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of minor traumas, they don'thave to be major traumas they
can be, you know, clusters ofminor traumas that will get in
the way of your full healing.
You know, and I had alwayslooked back on my childhood and
thought, Oh, well, that doesn'tapply to me, you know, I had
loving parents, a positive andloving environment. But I read a
book that stopped me in mytracks, called the primal wound.
Now, I was adopted at threeweeks old and raised in Canada
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by a lovely, my adoptive parentsare beautiful people, and you
know, a very loving family in abeautiful environment. But what
I guess I hadn't fully realizedis that, that day that I was
born, and removed from mybiological mother, who was only
16, at the time, even though Ican't remember that it was a
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trauma that was leaving deepwithin my body and affecting my
ability to, to fully, you know,regain my health. When I read
that book, it just resonated sodeeply. And I finally understood
that I had experienced majortrauma. And the you know, I had
all the hallmarks of that, andits impact on my physical
health. And, you know, sheexplained in the book, how early
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trauma can impair the regulationof your hypothalamus,
hypothalamus, pituitary axis.
And, you know, because my lifebegan with a trauma that I
perceived to be lifethreatening, my cortisol and
adrenaline levels would havejust spiked up and my serotonin
would have dropped. And that hasbeen my pattern through my life,
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I naturally produce high levelsof cortisol. And I'm really
great in a crisis, I handlestress very, very well, you
know, I appear and feel quitecalm during the process. But
after that, the stress passes iswhen I get the physical effects.
And, you know, I don't I don'tblame anyone for my adoption, I
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don't see myself as a victim.
And, you know, for me, love iswhat makes your family and I had
that in abundance. But now Ifinally understood that there
had been an impact and that Ineeded to change those physical
patterns and those subconsciousbelief systems that I had
developed, so I could fullyrecover my health. Now, I had
tried various ways of doingthat, but I didn't really
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successfully deal with it untilvery recently, when I discovered
something that has been anabsolutely transformational
experience for me. So in thebook, so I had actually almost
finished writing the book, andwas well into my treatment
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protocol and having amazingsuccess when I was diagnosed
with breast cancer 18 monthsago. And unfortunately, that
was, you know, a side step I hadto take in my in recovering my
health, which was lengthy andvery intense, and going through,
you know, full cancer treatmentof chemo, double mastectomy and
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radiation therapy during a fulllockdown meant that I didn't
have the kind of normal supportspeople do during cancer
treatment. So I came through itand my husband was stuck in
Canada at the time, theAustralian Government would not
grant an exemption, despite thefact he was fully vaccinated. So
that he could come and supportme through that. So I got
through it. And, you know, sortof, at the end of last year
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thought, hey, you know, gosh,I'm doing really well, despite
everything that happened. And,you know, my husband was able to
come for a couple of monthsbefore he had to return to
Canada. And just before he leftwas when the trauma hit, you
know, when I had gotten throughit, I'd coped really well. And
then I was in that safe placewhere I could let let my guard
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down. And I started experiencingpretty severe PTSD.
And you know, with the thosesame symptoms, the dramatic
weight loss, the digestivedistress, the crushing,
insomnia, just hardly able toeven go to sleep, you know, for
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an hour in those first fewweeks. So fortunately, I had a
consultation with a doctor inthe US who has been guiding, you
know, the last stages of my Lymeprotocol. And he quickly
recognized that I wasexperiencing post traumatic
stress. And he said that Ineeded to look into whether I
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could get some Neurofeedback inAustralia. He said, it's
something they commonly use withtheir lyme patients and cancer
patients. It's a wonderful toolthat helps people in so many
different ways. So Neurofeedbackwas actually developed by
clinical psychologists, and it'sa computer aided training method
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for your brain that tracks yourbrain's electrical activity,
millisecond by millisecond, anduses your natural feedback
system to give your brainfeedback that enables it to self
adjust and reset its ownpatterns. So you're not
inputting anything into thebrain, you're using a software
system, you're attaching sensorsto your ears and to your scalp,
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that's measuring your brain'selectrical activity, and picking
up when those that activity isnot balanced in the way it
should. And it's signaling toyour brain, okay, you need to
self adjust and reset yourpatterns. And over a series of
sessions, it helps with so manydifferent things. It's, it's
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been absolutely transformationalfor me. And, you know, I went
into it thinking, you know, I'dreally love it if this could
improve my insomnia, but so manyother things have come out of
it. My body temperature isregulated for the first time in
many, many years, my digestionhas improved, my constipation
has gone away, I'm going tosleep quicker, sleeping more
(58:06):
deeply and waking less times inthe night than I used to. There
are so many things that ourbrain and nervous system govern
in our bodies, that when theyare not functioning well or out
of balance, we can reallysuffer. And so neurofeedback is
an incredibly powerful way ofgetting your brain and nervous
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system to self regulate better,and which brings so many
improvements across both yourphysical and mental health, even
in a lot that you aren'texpecting. So it's been so
incredible for me, I ended upactually purchasing a system and
I've started my own businessbecause I know how incredible
this has been for me to heal mynervous system and brain
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dysregulation from the traumaI've experienced in the past and
how much that's contributing tomy overall health and well being
to regaining my health fully.
But also another wonderful thingit does is it enables the body
to handle the treatments muchbetter. So, yeah, it's it's been
really powerful for me. So I'veset up the Melbourne
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Neurofeedback Center, and I'moffering discounts, particularly
to people in the Lyme community,in the cancer community. Because
most of us who have gone throughthese types of treatments, we've
spent a lot of money, we're indebt. Yet these kinds of things
can have such a wonderful impactfor us that my mission is just
to try to make it accessible forpeople so they can also
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experience it. Oh,
Arwen Bardsley (59:38):
so how can people get in touch with you for
that?
Unknown (59:42):
I've got a website called Melbourne Neurofeedback
center, and my contact detailsare there. There's one page
which has all the frequentlyasked questions that everything
you might want to know about it.
And then there's a whole sectionon research. You know, it's
backed by decades of evidencebased clinical Research in
neuroscience. So there areclinical studies into all the
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different kinds of things thatcan assist with, you know,
everything from ADHD, toinsomnia, anxiety, depression,
but also, it can be used in anysituation where you want to
improve your concentration orfocus. So for instance, a lot of
elite athletes will use it toimprove their cognition, their
focus, their concentration, butalso to reduce their performance
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anxiety. So basically, anyonewith a brain can benefit
training their brain and helpingtheir brain and nervous system
better self regulate.
Arwen Bardsley (01:00:39):
Yeah, great.
Yeah. Cuz I was just gonna sayso, you know, is it still useful
for people who don't have, youknow, a significant problem? And
you've answered that question?
So thank you. That sounds likesomething every everyone should
do. Really?
Juliet Wilson (01:00:52):
Yeah, it's definitely also used for any
kind of peak performance. Youknow, I was thinking, I wish
that I had known about it whenmy son was doing VCE. You know,
not just for his memory andfocus, but also for the anxiety
around those, you know,horrendous big exams.
Arwen Bardsley (01:01:08):
Yeah. So is your business, hiring out equipment?
Is that how it works?
Juliet Wilson (01:01:14):
It is, you know, I provide either after two hour
sessions in my home clinic, or Ido home rental systems, or I can
ship them to anywhere inAustralia. It's, it's a self
automated system, it's plug andplay. So it's very easy for
anyone to use, it doesn'trequire diagnosis or technical
expertise.
Arwen Bardsley (01:01:33):
Okay, amazing.
I'll be signing up. And then, ofcourse, the book I just want to
do to let people know, I mean, Ijust want to say, I can't
believe that you with everythingyou're going through, especially
over the last 18 months, thatthat you've wrote a book as
well. But I'm so glad that youdid, especially for all those
people out there suffering from,you know, chronic and complex
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illnesses that they they'rehaving trouble, you know,
resolving, and even beingdiagnosed and then working out
how to treat themselves. So Ithink it's so useful. But so
where can people get the book?
And any other details you wantto share about that?
Juliet Wilson (01:02:15):
Yeah, sure. Look, as you said, you know, my
journey was horrendous, and it'sunfortunately, not uncommon. You
know, and I was fortunate enoughto finally come across a doctor
who recognized who I was dealingwith. But what I realized there
are so many people like mearound the world who are not
diagnosed properly andstruggling for years, I felt it
was so important to share what Ilearned in the hope that I could
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help others regain their healthand survive the experience along
the way. You know, it's a bookthat I wrote the book that I've
wished that I had read 12 yearsago, and I wrote it in the hope
that others can recognize theirown or a loved one's journey in
mine. And that reading about it,you know, what I used to recover
gives them the guidance andconfidence that they can get
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well, as well. So the book isavailable on Amazon, you know,
everywhere around the world,it's also available at readings,
Carlton, and at the Sun theatrebookshop. And, yeah, I guess,
you know, it's my book isdedicated to all those of you
who are suffering from complex,long term illness, or who are
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supporting someone through it.
The message I hope that peopletake away is that you're not
alone. And there is hope. Youknow, I and so many others
understand what you're upagainst. And please have
compassion for yourself and knowthat your illness and suffering
is not in your imagination. Andit's not your fault. And hang in
there and keep going, you know,surround yourself with a good
support team and never give up.
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I know, you've probably triedmany, many things, but please
read my book and look into theprotocol that I talked about.
It's not the only one that willwork, but it is the most
comprehensive and effective thatI personally came across. And
the last thing is that you canand will get better and you
know, I'm proof of that.
Arwen Bardsley (01:03:57):
Yeah, thank you.
That's beautiful words to finishwith. So I so appreciate your
time, Juliet. And thank you forthe wisdom and experiences that
you've shared with everyonetoday.
Juliet Wilson (01:04:11):
My pleasure.
Thank you, Arwen.
Welcome, everyone. delighted today to
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have you back for anotherepisode of the five star
wellbeing podcast. And I've gotmy beautiful friend Juliet
Wilson here as my guest today.
And it's always super nice tohave somebody who's a friend, as
well as someone who is a veryinteresting person with a
wonderful story and a lot ofwell being knowledge to share
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with my audience. So I'm reallydelighted to have Juliet here.
Juliet is a senior projectmanager, a photographer and
artist, and now an author.
Juliet survived over a decade ofserious and chronic health
issues and being told that youdon't look sick by dozens of
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doctors and specialists. She'snow written a book titled, But
You Look Healthy, whichchronicles her journey. But more
importantly, is a guidebook foranyone out there struggling with
complex and often undiagnosedhealth concerns. So I think
there's a ton of wealth that wecan all get from this book that
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Juliet's written and what she'sgoing to tell us today. So
Juliet, thank you so much formaking the time to come on the
podcast. And I wanted to juststart with a bit about you, you
know, your sort of origin storyand how you got to be where you
are now, having written a book,on this topic, all about your
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health. I guess I'm sure alongthe way, you will tell us a bit
about the health concerns thatyou have had. But I think that
probably helps to, to makepeople aware of the enormity of
what you've gone through.
Juliet Wilson (01:48):
Thank you, Arwen, I'm delighted to join you this
morning. So as you just said, myname is Juliet. And I grew up in
Eastern Canada, and also in thenortheastern part of the US in
Maine, which is an endemic tickarea. And I came to this
beautiful country 31 years agowhen I was 22. And Melbourne was
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actually my first stop on myround the world trip. And I've
lived here ever since. Yeah, soI guess the start of my health
journey. Looking back in my, inmy late 20s Actually, I had a
tarot card reading. And apsychic told me that I was going
to stop work when I was 39. Nowat the time, I thought, oh,
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maybe she means I'm going toretire young. But I thought that
was kind of unlikely, because Iwas looking at a career in the
museum world. And so I laughedit off and I just kind of went
on with my life. And then it wasover a decade later, in 2008.
When those words came back to meand at 39 My world collapsed and
I was so ill that I had to stopwork for two years while I
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slowly recovered from that. Inever dreamed that that might
have been what she wasforeshadowing. So what happened
was that after separating frommy young son's father became
very well unwell overnight. Ilost five kilos, I'd crushing
insomnia, digestive distress,headaches, sore throat, burning
patches of skin, brain fog,exhaustion, cold sores that
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would come in my eyes regularly,hormone and body temperature
dysregulation. I was hypersecreting cortisol. And that was
just the start of what ended upbeing a very long, 12 years.
When I look back, there weresigns that I had a compromised
immune system much earlier in mylife. It took me nearly a year
to recover from glandular feveras a teenager, and I've always
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needed more sleep than anyoneelse. I've always caught every
virus and bacterial infectionthat came anywhere near me and
have been worse than anyoneelse. I've always been told by
my doctors and practitionersthat I've that I had the worst
reaction they'd ever seen totreatments. And what I now know
is that contracting Lyme diseaseat a young age had actually
impaired my immune system andover time had left me unequipped
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to fight anything else off. So Ikind of got better after that
first two years, but it wasstill, you know, quite a journey
and things weren't quite right.
And over the next 10 years, Iwas diagnosed with a variety of
other things. First adrenalfatigue, then heavy metal
toxicity SIBO. And finally, moldillness. I treated each one of
those, but never seem to regainmy full health and I had the
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instinct that there was stillsomething that was undiagnosed.
Arwen Bardsley (04:25):
And I think that a lot of people like especially
in Australia, I know I've hadpeople say to me, oh, you know,
Lyme disease isn't a thing inAustralia. But of course,
there's lots of people who comefrom other places where perhaps
ticks are more prevalent andthat sort of thing, but I think
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it's probably useful to talk abit about Lyme in terms of, you
know, a 101 basics for peoplewho haven't heard of it, or you
know, don't don't understandthat. Yes, people in Australia
may indeed suffer from Thisterrible illness.
Juliet Wilson (05:02):
Absolutely. And, you know, it's a common story
that it takes. You know, mystory is not unique, it
generally takes over a decade toget a diagnosis of Lyme in
Australia. You know, the gettingthe diagnosis is very
challenging in other parts ofthe world. Authorities recognize
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that testing can be unreliableand recommend that Lyme disease
is actually a clinical diagnosisbased on the patient's symptoms,
history, tick exposure risks andrisk and current symptoms.
Current research actually showsthat they estimate 15% of the
world's population have beenexposed to Lyme bacteria.
Arwen Bardsley (05:42):
That's massive.
Juliet Wilson (05:46):
Our government's stance here is that people
cannot contract classical Lymedisease, and it's common co
infections. Because despite thenumber of Australians becoming
chronically ill after tick bite,there's a belief that the
bacteria that causes Lymedisease doesn't exist in
Australia. Now, this is based onresearch from 1994, that did not
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find Borrelia burgdorferi, whichis the bacteria that causes Lyme
disease in Australian ticks.
However, studies be done beforethat, and after that actually
found Borrelia species and ticksremoved from Australian fauna,
domestic animals and cattle. Sothere's plenty of proof that
Lyme disease does actually existhere. However, you know, in
Australia, the guidelines of thestate that a lab test is
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essential for diagnosis, but youcan only be tested if you've
traveled overseas to a Lymeendemic country because the
government says it doesn't existhere. And the tests that are
currently available in Australiaare not definitive, they're not
sensitive enough. It's alsobecause it can take weeks for
the bacteria to actually show upin lab tests. And tests are just
not always accurate, becausewith a compromised immune
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system, many patients don'tactually make the antibodies to
alarm infection, so they won'tshow up. So this means that many
Australians have to work withLyme literate practitioners in
other countries, through onlineconsultations or through going
overseas to clinics fortreatment at really prohibitive
cost to get diagnosis andtreatment. So that was why for
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me finding an effectivecomprehensive protocol that I
could order online withinAustralia was really a game
changer for me. And, you know, Ifelt that it was really
important because as I said, MyMy experiences are not unique,
complex, long term illness isextremely common, and millions
of people have been unwell foryears and unable to find
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answers. Without reliable tests,they're often diagnosed with
chronic fatigue or IBS orfibromyalgia. But it's now known
that if you suffer from any ofthose conditions or illnesses,
others such as adrenaldysfunction, heavy metal
toxicity, biotoxin illness orLyme disease, there's a good
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chance you will actually have awhole suite of them. And that's
because of the way theiropportunistic nature, when your
immune system is really low, andthe synergistic way they work
together. And because so many ofthose illnesses have common
symptoms. It's easy for some ofthem to go undiagnosed for a
very long time. But it'sactually the world leading Lyme
disease doctor, Dr. RichardHorowitz, who has given a name
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to this suite of illnesses. Andhe calls it MSIDS or multiple
systemic infectious diseasessyndrome. The great news is that
it is common, it's treatable,and you can recover. And my book
actually tells people how I didthat. And much more than just a
personal journey of myexperiences. "But you look
healthy" is actually the productof 12 years of research I did
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along the way into each one ofthese illnesses. And I'm a bit
of a nerd. So I researchedincessantly. And each section of
the book provides really helpfulpractical, easily digestible
information and resources foreach of the illnesses it covers,
as well as the common pitfallsto avoid during treatment,
because I fell into absolutelyall of them. And I was just rapt
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when Dr. Richard Horwitz, readmy manuscript when I sent it to
him. And not only gave me greatfeedback, but offered to write
an introduction for as well. Andhe has dedicated his life to
helping and advocating for thosewith Lyme disease. And his
support for my book andendorsement of its content is
really a dream come true for me.
Arwen Bardsley (09:21):
yeah. It's amazing. And so for you, you
didn't get a diagnosis inAustralia, though, didn't you?
Juliet Wilson (09:29):
I did, but I had to. I saw a local doctor but had
to do testing that was sentoverseas, right. So my tests,
you know, officially conductedby highly reputable
international labs whose resultsare taken seriously in the rest
of the world. My results wouldnot be considered official by
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the infectious diseases doctorshere in Australia.
Arwen Bardsley (09:55):
Right. And so is it called the Lyme disease
association of Australia who Iknow are getting $1 from each of
the book, sales that that youhave with your book, are they
advocating and lobbying thegovernment to to change, and you
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know perhaps do some more up todate research rather than, you
know, relying on this researchfrom the 1990s? On the ticks...
Juliet Wilson (10:25):
Yep. And their website is a wonderful resource
of a lot of information. Theywork tirelessly trying to
advocate and support people withLyme disease in Australia, and
there are 1000s and 1000s of us.
So their work is extremelyimportant and not well supported
enough. So I felt it was reallyimportant to share some of the
proceeds of this book to supportthe work that they do. And in
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fact, Dr. Richard Horowitz is apatron of the Lyme Disease
Association of Australia. Healso recognizes the value of the
work that they do, and theyreally value the support that he
provides in that arena.
Arwen Bardsley (11:01):
And so, is there any estimate on you know,
numbers of people who might havethe disease in Australia, but
don't haven't had a diagnosisand aren't aware that that's
something they could betreating?
Juliet Wilson (11:17):
Look, as I said, you know, they estimate 15% of
the population
Arwen Bardsley (11:22):
That's worldwide.
Juliet Wilson (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, worldwide. Now, there are no,
there are no borders or wallsthat stop ticks from, from, you
know, and other vectors thatcarry tick borne illnesses or
other illnesses and infections,there's, there are no borders or
walls that stop those from, youknow, from traveling to all
parts of the world, this ideathat there can be one part of a
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country that doesn't have tickswhen the rest of the country
does is, is just ridiculous,even, you know, some people
believe that there can be onepart of a city that wouldn't
have. But the rest does.
Arwen Bardsley (11:57):
Yeah. And so even if you can't remember being
exposed to ticks, but theillness could be carried on
another animal that might havethe illness or do you have to
have been exposed to a tick?
Juliet Wilson (12:12):
No, there are definitely other vectors or
blood sucking, You know, vectorsthat that carry infections. And
in the, in my book, there is acomprehensive chapter all about
Lyme disease, which listseverything from you know what it
is, let me just look upeverything that's in the
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section. Here we go. So what isLyme disease? Why is it
controversial? What are thesymptoms? How do I know if I
have it? Why is Lyme diseasehard to treat? What can I expect
when I start treatment, as wellas helpful resources? Now, Dr.
Richard Horowitz has actuallyput together a lyme
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questionnaire with questionsthat if you, you do the
questionnaire and you get abovea certain score, it's a strong
indication that you have a tickborne illness. Now that
questionnaire has actually beenscientifically validated. So
that is what's used in otherparts of the world to do
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alongside the clinical diagnosisand is very, very accurate.
Arwen Bardsley (13:25):
So people could do that for themselves.
Juliet Wilson (13:28):
That's right. And if they, if they then would
would like a, you know, a moreformal confirmation of that
there are things that they cando. But as I mentioned, you
know, even doing the highlyreputable, very expensive tests
from overseas, that may satisfytheir own curiosity about
whether they have a tick borneillness, but that will still not
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be accepted by the mainstreammedical community in Australia.
Arwen Bardsley (13:53):
Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to talk about some other
things that you've experiencedas well, because all of them,
you know, the adrenaldysfunction, the heavy metal
stuff, the SIBO, biotoxinillness, they're all things as
well, that I think, number one,a lot of people aren't really
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aware that those things could beaffecting their health. And
number two, you know, peoplepeople don't know, you know,
even what they are sometimes orwhat to do about them. And your
book is an absolutely amazingresource for for all of those
things, as well as the Lymedisease section. I wanted to
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start with the adrenaldysfunction or adrenal fatigue.
Some people may be more aware ofthat kind of term. But again,
it's something that's a bitcontroversial in the medical
world, but I really lovedreading in your book, your
explanation about the underlyingcause of that being mitchondrial
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dysfunction. So that is thepower, the power house of our
cells is not functioningcorrectly. Which, you know, I
guess anybody who understandsthat knows that that is really
major thing to have go wrong.
Can you talk a bit more aboutthat? And I suppose also just,
again, for people who maybearen't aware of adrenal
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dysfunction, you know, what wereyou experiencing with that? What
should people look out for?
Juliet Wilson (15:31):
Yeah, that's a really good question, Arwen. And
you know, the thing, the thingabout adrenal dysfunction and
the fact that the mitochondriaare not functioning as well as
they can, you know, you cancertainly take a lot of things
that will help your adrenalfunction that will, you know,
and that's what I did at thetime. You know, when I, as I
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said, the symptoms came onovernight, you know, I was,
weight just melted off me, myhair was falling out, I had
crushing exhaustion, but I couldnot sleep and I had these heart
palpitations that were waking meup at 4am Every day, and my
hormone levels just plummeted at39. I almost went into
menopause, everything I ate justhurt my digestive system. Yeah,
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and, you know, that was back in2008. And adrenal fatigue as a
term was not very well knownthen. And of course, the first
doctor I saw, you know, tried totell me that it was just
depression, not that, you know,depression is a is something not
to take, seriously. But, youknow, her solution was to put me
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on Prozac, which I had aterrible reaction to and didn't
change any of the symptoms anddidn't work for me. So sorry,
remind me what your questionwas, again.
Arwen Bardsley (16:50):
So I mean, so you've talked about what you
experienced with it. So justabout, I guess a bit more about
the mitochondrial dysfunction,what's going on, in the body, in
somebody with this condition.
Juliet Wilson (17:03):
So often, really, adrenal dysfunction is when your
adrenal glands and yourhypothalamus pituitary axis
become depleted or dysregulated,after a period of intense or
prolonged stress, or chronicillness. And so generally, you
can feel unwell exhausted, yourimmune system is low, you have
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sleep disturbances. And in themore serious cases you're
functioning can have theadrenals can be so diminished,
that you can barely get out ofbed for you know, short periods
of time each day. Now, it'sinteresting, so many years later
to realize that what I did atthe time to nourish my adrenal
function itself, and to help mesleep, and all of those were
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wonderful band aid solutions,but you've always got to look
for what is the underlying causeof the adrenal dysfunction. It
wasn't just the stress theunderlying causes. For me, as I
found out over the years thatpassed since then, were higher
than normal levels of heavymetals, mold toxicity, you know,
all of those other things thataffect your immune system and
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affect your body's ability tocope with the day to day
functions and to actually detoxproperly. So really, you know,
again, it, I'll come back to thefact that there's, you know,
what I see and hear from so manypeople is, you know, and the
same for me, I treated myadrenal dysfunction for two
years. And then I kind of keptgoing, and then oh, it was heavy
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metals, right? Okay. Well, if Itreat that I'll be good. And oh,
sorry, it's actually moldillness, okay. Well, if I treat
that I'll be good. But unlessyou're actually treating all of
them completely, you won'tregain your health and Dr.
Horowitz in his book, "Why can'tI get better", summed it up
perfectly, when he said, It'slike going to the doctor with 16
nails in your hand, and you onlyremove two of them, you will
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still be in pain. So it's veryimportant that along with you
know, and in the book, I giveyou lots of tips and, and
resources for actuallyrebuilding your, your adrenals
and for coping with the adrenaldysfunction and how to nourish
them. But it's really importantthat you actually get to the, to
the root cause of why youradrenals are not functioning as
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well as they could.
Arwen Bardsley (19:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Great. And yeah, I mean, I lovethat you said that, because I
mean, that's what I'm alwaystalking about, you know, it's
kind of it's looking number oneat the underlying the root cause
of what's going on. And numbertwo, it, you know, the whole,
the whole body, the wholesystem, you know, and it's not
just the physical system aswell, you know, I know, you talk
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about trauma in the book aswell, which is, you know, an
underlying cause of so manythings that people deal with.
And, you know, you Yeah, themental state as well. I mean,
you know, I just, we have to seeourselves as a whole system of
all of these things on all ofthese levels and treat that one
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Being in order to be well, soheavy, heavy metal toxicity is
another thing that again, Ithink, let me show your book
while I've got it here, becauseI just wanted to, you know, I
was amazed with the heavy metaltoxicity. Symptoms, you know,
the list is literally more thanhalf a page fatigue, dizziness,
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headaches, digestion issues,joint and muscle pain, anxiety
and depression, irregularmenstrual cycles, infertility,
well, it goes on and on nightsweats, I shouldn't say blah,
blah, blah, because it's notblah, blah, blah, it's but you
know, there's all these thingsthat I think again, you know, a
lot of people may have some ofthese symptoms. So my question
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is really, you know, when shouldsomeone consider being tested
for heavy metals? Because,again, it's something that most
doctors won't think about,especially, you know, just your
your standard GP, would probablynot even consider testing you
for that unless perhaps youworked in an industry where it
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was fairly obvious that thatmight be a problem. So when do
you think you know, the averageperson who might have a few of
those symptoms and hasn't beenable to get to the bottom of why
they just don't feel well?
What's your advice on when theyshould consider being tested for
heavy metals?
Juliet Wilson (21:28):
Yeah, look, that's a really good question,
Arwen, and you know, what a lotof people don't realize is that
we are exposed to heavy metalsevery single day in the air, the
food, the water through theground, the things we use,
consume, that we're exposed toeveryday, like anti-perspirants,
aluminium foil cans, andcookware, your tap water, your
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dental fillings, tobacco, smoke,rice, air pollution, auto
exhaust, batteries, vaccines,over time, heavy metals can
accumulate in your tissueswithout you even realizing that
it's happening. And as you said,you know, most doctors are
trained to look at a set ofsymptoms and make one diagnosis.
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And so when people like come inwith, as you said, this list of
77 different symptoms, theirfirst reaction is, I think
you're making some of this up, Ithink you're exaggerating. And
that is a common common storyfor all of us with this kind of
chronic illness, particularlywith this suite of illnesses.
Now, of course, one of thethings that makes it challenging
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is the things that are verycommon for people to suffer
from, such as Lyme disease,parasites, heavy metals, mold
illness, they can be hard totest for. Now, part of the issue
with heavy metals is, the reasonpeople will become unwell is
because they aren't detoxing orexcreting them, well, they're
not clearing them from the, fromyour body, from their body. And
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the testing methods are usuallyabout what is coming out of your
body and your urine, your blood,you know, et cetera. And so the
people that are most sick, thelevels will not show in those
testing methods. So it is it isvery, very challenging, and also
very, very common that heavymetals are affecting people.
Now, the other reasons thattesting is challenging is
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because the metals often areburied really deep in your fat
cells and your liver and yourkidneys, etc. And sometimes
they'll only actually berevealed when you've been on a
detox program for an extendedperiod of time. What a lot of
people understand as they start,what usually is a is a journey,
it's, it's, it's not a sprint,it's a marathon. And you do have
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to detox very slowly to makesure that your body can cope
with the speed at which thetoxins are moving through. So we
always say that, you know, asyou detox, it's like peeling
back the layers of an onion. Andsometimes you will experience an
increase in symptoms as you peelback another layer. The other
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thing is that toxic metals, youknow, are only on for instance,
in your blood in highconcentrations for a short
period of time after an acuteexposure. So most of us
accumulate our heavy metals tosmall exposures over a period of
time. So in different metals areexcreted in different ways. So
one type of testing may missmetals and another type of
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testing would pick up. So Ialways suggest that, you know,
find a good integrative doctorwho is familiar with heavy
metals, talk to them about whattheir preferred method of
testing is. What I love aboutthe comprehensive detox protocol
I did is that it there's notreally a need to identify
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exactly which metals you havehigher than normal
concentrations of exactly whichmycotoxins exactly which viruses
you're trying to get rid of. Theprotocol is actually
comprehensive In that, if yousystematically move through the
whole thing, you will accomplisheverything that you need to. But
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the important thing tounderstand about the Cellcore
Biosciences comprehensiveprotocol, which is what I use to
treat all of this suite ofillnesses that I had, is that
it's not just the products thatyou take, it's actually the
approach and order in which youtake them, which really is one
of the keys to the success ofyour full recovery.
Arwen Bardsley (25:33):
I would like you to tell us about that protocol.
But just before we do that,yeah, I had. So I've done some
heavy metal testing myself withmy naturopath over nearly a year
now. Or no, not quite ninemonths, so So I've just done the
third one. And so hair analysisis how he's been doing it. And
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it wasn't until so the first onecame back. And I can't even
remember, there wasn't anythingthat was super high. There was
there was one that was coming upas a low level, and it's just
escaping me what it was. Butanyway, it wasn't until the
second test. So of course, inthe meantime, over that would
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have been more than threemonths, between, you know, from
when I first started detoxing,just what you're saying using
binders using glutathione, todetox from anything that was in
my system that was impairing myadrenal function. Then when I
did the second test, then I hadthese really high levels of
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cadmium that came out. So it wasjust so interesting to me that
in first test that didn't comeout, but it wasn't until I've
started peeling back some of thelayers that started to show.
Juliet Wilson (26:52):
Yeah, that's very common, and often really freaks
people out. Because they think,Oh, my gosh, is not working. Why
are the levels going up? Butthen it's very common that the
levels go up before they comedown again.
Arwen Bardsley (27:05):
Yeah, yeah. It was fascinating. So yeah. As
you've brought it up, and I knowit's been a such an important
part of your, your recoveryprocess, and will be so useful
to so many people. Can you talkus through the protocol that you
discovered, and perhaps even howyou discovered it? And what
involves Yeah,
Juliet Wilson (27:26):
yeah. And look, there are lots of successful
protocols that people can use.
This just happens to be the onethat that I chose, and I'll,
I'll help you understand why. Sowhen I was first diagnosed with
Lyme disease, which was, gosh,over two years ago, now, the
timing was very close to whenthe international Lyme summit
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online was was happening. So Ithought, right, I need, you
know, in my usual way, I like todo lots of research, find out
everything about what I'mdealing with. So I listened to
all 35 hours of experts fromaround the world talking about
Lyme disease, treatments, etc,etc. And it was really the talk
by two doctors from the US Dr.
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Jay Davidson and Dr. Todd watts,that when I heard them speak
about their experiences, theirprotocol and why and how they
developed it, I justinstinctively knew that it made
sense everything they weresaying made sense. Now, Dr. Todd
Watts had recovered fullyhimself from Lyme disease and
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all of the CO infections that gowith it. Dr. J. Davidson, his
wife had been very unwell sinceshe was she was a child with
Lyme disease and CO infections,and she had almost died a couple
of times. And she fullyrecovered on this protocol that
they developed. So they felt itwas really important to share
their knowledge with the worldand you know, and they, they
created two companies Microbeformulas, which is sort of the
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public general public companyand Cell Corp biosciences, which
is more of the one thatpractitioners use, the products
are the same, they havedifferent names. It's a little
confusing. But first of all, allthe products are fully herbal,
very, very high quality, andthey're formulated for really
sensitive people. Now all of uswith Lyme disease higher than
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normal, heavy metals, etc. Oursystems are sensitive because we
don't detox well and we've gothigher than normal levels of
lots of things. They're makingour system not work the way it
should. So we often need tostart in very low doses. And I
love that Cellcore Biosciencesprotocol because they provide
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such straightforwardinformation. Okay, for phase
one, you take these fourproducts, you start on this dose
for sensitive dosing, you wantto get it up to this dose for
aggressive dosing. And it's justdepends on how your body deals
with it, how you build up thosedoses, but it was also when I
listened to them talk about thefact that the reason their
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protocol was so successfulwasn't just because the products
are really well developed,they're very high quality. And
they're formulated for people'sbodies like ours that need, you
know, that are often quitesensitive. It was the approach
and the order that you do thingsin. So first of all, you need to
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make sure that your body caneliminate the toxins that you
want to detox or the pathogensthat you kill off. Because if
your pathways that you use toeliminate them are not working
well, you can get these backups.
And you can get fatigue, jointpain, brain fog, you know, as it
makes, it actually makes yourbody more toxic. So the first
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thing that you do in thisprotocol is support your
drainage pathways and make surethat they're open, which means
you know, your bowels, yourliver, your kidneys, your lymph
system and your skin, makingsure that all your elimination
pathways are really working wellbefore you then start detoxing
and killing things off. Becauseof the you know, the the things
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that are then released into yoursystem when you do that. So then
it's really important that yourbody has the energy to carry out
the functions of detoxification,and to signal to your immune
system to fight off any of theinfections that you have, and
also to stimulate the death ofdamaged cells. So you know,
underlying issues like as I saidbefore, like viruses, parasites,
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heavy metals, medications,oxidative stress, those damage
your mitochondria, and can causedysfunction, this can lead to
that sort of low energy, thebuildup of toxins that decline
in your immune system, andreally impair the ability of
your cells to repair. So if yousupport your mitochondrial
energy, it will improve yourenergy help promote the healing,
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and also help maintain yourlasting health. So there are
products that you take thatsupport your cellular energy to
help with a detox that improvethe oxygen levels in your
tissues, which is important forthe respiration of yourselves
and for healing. And then traceminerals and amino acids that
again, support detox throughgiving your body what it needs
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for energy while you do that,
Unknown (32:17):
then it's actually an another really critical part of
all of this is, you know, ifyou're killing and removing
things, you really want to bebinding up the byproducts of
what you're killing and removingor, you know, binding up the
toxins themselves. Instead of,you know, there are a lot of
things that people take asbinders that are actually not
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holding those toxins for longenough. And it's just
redistributing the toxins indifferent parts of your body. So
the binders that they use withthe Cellcore Biosciences
protocol, are actually fulvicand humic. Based, these are the
latest and greatest in binders.
They are very effective andbinding everything from mold,
mycotoxins, herbicides,pesticides, mold, heavy metals,
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chemicals, radioactive elements.
And even, you know even betterthan that, you can actually take
them with food, they don't stripyour microbiome, like some of
the older types of binders, likeactivated charcoal, those sort
of things, they'll actuallynourish your microbiome rather
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than strip it, they're safe totake long term, and they have
high energy, carbon and oxygenthat your your cells really
need. You can take more than onebinder at a time, depending on
what things you're targeting.
And, you know, like with allsupplements that you take, you
know, to, when you embark on adetox journey, it's really
important just to start reallylow and slow, and build up your
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tolerance, what people find isthat the things that they really
need to most address are thethings that they will have the
most reactions to when theystart treating if they start on
on doses that are too high. Soyeah, so those are the things
that are really, reallyimportant to make sure that your
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elimination pathways are open,that you're supporting your
body's energy to deal with thedetox and that you're actually
binding up all of the unwantedthings as you're removing them
and killing them off.
Arwen Bardsley (34:16):
Oh, wonderful.
Sorry, did you sorry, did Iinterrupt you?
Juliet Wilson (34:22):
No, I was just gonna say those are, you know,
those mean that your your detoxwill be much more successful,
and you will regain your healthmore successfully as well.
Arwen Bardsley (34:34):
And I know it's in your book, but just for
people listening, what's thewebsite that they can go to for
more information about that?
Juliet Wilson (34:43):
Yeah, look, there are actually two really great
resources, microbe formulas,which is the original. They used
to have both a foundationalprotocol which is just kind of
for tune up and a comprehensiveprotocol. They now only do the
comprehensive protocol throughCellcore Biosciences. But the
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microbe formulas website has awonderful Learn section on it.
And you can join for free, jointhe website for free, then you
could search the Learn sectionfor hundreds of articles and
videos under any topic that youwant to look up. So it's really
easy. Like if you type in mold,you'll come up with a list of
wonderful articles, videos, theydo a live webinar each week,
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they have those that you can canlisten to as well, that's a
really great resource. They alsosupport the people that are
using their protocol around theworld with a Facebook group
called the Microbe Formulasdetox heroes. And that, again,
is an amazing resource where youcan, you know, search on your
topic, and you can find all ofthe different questions other
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people have asked about the sametype of topic, what all the
answers are, it's a reallywonderful, supportive community,
with a lot of people with a hugeamount of knowledge that they
share as they go through theprotocol. And it's a great way
of, you know, if you're about tostart a new phase, and you've
got some questions, or you'reexperiencing a strange side
effect, or you just want toknow, has anyone had success
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with this or that it's a reallyterrific resource. And then the
Cell Core Biosciences website isthe sister company. And that's
where you can order thecomprehensive protocol from
there actually is a supplier inBrisbane now. Who you can order
the products directly from whichis very, very helpful.
Arwen Bardsley (36:30):
Yeah, because you were having to order them
from overseas, weren't you?
Juliet Wilson (36:34):
That's correct.
Arwen Bardsley (36:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay. So but but members of thepublic can go to this Cellcore
Biosciences website as well.
It's not just for practitionersyep.
Juliet Wilson (36:44):
That's right.
Arwen Bardsley (36:45):
Yeah. Okay. All right, great. So you did
mention, I know, you'vementioned all these things, but
parasites as well. I mean, Ilove that quote, In your book,
if you have a pulse, you haveparasites, which I'm sure makes
some people go, Oh, my goodness.
So again, you know, when do youthink, you know, people out
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there need to be concerned aboutparasites? At what point do you
think they should again, begoing to an integrative
practitioner, and saying, I wantto be tested for these things?
Juliet Wilson (37:22):
Yeah, look, and again, unfortunately, parasites
are something that are difficultto test for, for a number of
reasons. You know, first of all,75% of them are, you can't see
them with the naked eye.
They're, they're tiny, yet theycan, you know, inhabit every
part of your body. Now, youknow, I'll never forget when my
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doctor first asked me, you know,when I went in with horrendous
new symptoms, you know, sorry, Igot mixed up, I was just about
to talk about mold. Anyway, withwith parasites. One of the other
reasons that they're difficultto test for is that unless your
stool test is at the lab, within15 minutes, they have a self
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dissolving enzyme. So by thetime your sample gets to the
lab, there is no evidence thatthey were actually there.
Arwen Bardsley (38:16):
Wow. That just doesn't happen, does it?
Juliet Wilson (38:20):
Yeah, so testing is tricky. So they often go
undetected, they may notactually come out in all of your
bowel movements. And, you know,there are 1000s of different
types of parasites, but tests,only check for some of the
common ones. So getting testedcan often be a waste of time.
Now, we, you know, despite whatI thought at first was that
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parasites were only found indeveloping countries or in
unhygenic conditions, they areextremely common. And again, we
are exposed to them every day inour water, our food, our
environment, our pets, you know,we walk barefoot on the ground.
So they easily enter our bodies,and it's when your immune system
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is in, is not working as well asit could that they then, you
know, go woohoo, here's a niceplace for me to live. And the
thing about parasites is thatthey, you know, they're living
off you. So their job is to takeall of your nourishment to
nourish themselves, but not tomake you so unwell that they
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can't survive. So they'll justyou know, one of the the early
signs of parasites is low iron,which is very, very common. The
other thing that is often atelltale sign of parasites is
that they replicate at the fullmoon so people often have
symptoms that are morepronounced around the full moon
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and the new moon for instance.
So there are things that yeah,just things like that. Like if
your symptoms are morepronounced around the full moon
that's a pretty strong sign thatyou've got parasites Yep, And,
you know, it was Dr. Todd Wattswho said, you know, if you've
got a pulse, you've gotparasites, and he's known, you
know, in some circles as theparasite guy. And there's a huge
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amount of really greatinformation, again, on the
microbe formulas website in theLearn section about parasites.
Now, parasites are oftensomething that is overlooked
when people are treating chronicillness. And the fact is that in
order to fully recover fromchronic illness, you need to
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start by clearing the parasitesbecause of the way that your
immune system can't clear otherthings while it's being affected
by parasites. So when I saidbefore that the order and
approach is important, this ispart of the order, where after
you open your drainage pathways,and you help your body have the
energy for the treatment thatyou're going to undergo, one of
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the first things you actuallyneed to do is, is treat the
parasites first, because thatwill then make it easier to
clear the other infections. Andyeah, as you clear the parasites
from your body, what people findis that often lots of different
symptoms and health issuesactually resolve. But the
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important thing to remember isthat, you know, it's like taking
out the trash, even when youfeel the issues resolved. You
You Do you know, I will continueto have a maintenance protocol
for parasites for the rest of mylife. Yeah. So
Arwen Bardsley (41:27):
And is that because we're constantly exposed
to them, so you can't reallyjust yet it's not set and
forget. Yeah,
Juliet Wilson (41:34):
that's right. And knowing that my immune system
has been compromised for a verylong time, and that I don't
detox as well as other peoplebecause of genetic variations.
It's just important that Iunderstand what things would be
helpful to do on, you know, on aregular basis for maintenance as
I continue to progress throughthe rest of my life.
Arwen Bardsley (41:55):
Yeah. And sorry, go on,
Juliet Wilson (41:59):
again, with any of the things that you're
treating, when you treatproduction of parasites, to
avoid those severe die offreactions, because when you kill
parasites, it then releasesoften other things, viruses,
heavy metals, etc, that arebeing housed in the parasites.
So again, preparing yourelimination pathways supporting
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your immune system and yourmitochondrial function. So your
body can deal with the mobilizedtoxins that are being released
and help rebuild your tissuesand your your immune system. And
using the binders to absorb andremove the toxins as you're,
you're going through thattreatment is really important.
Arwen Bardsley (42:36):
And the other thing, you started to talk about
mold before, I did want to talkabout that again, because you
know, as you and I know, almosta quarter of the population has
a gene, which means that theycan't deal with my mold exposure
really, very well, they willbecome very ill when they're
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exposed to mold. And that'shuge. And then that What is it
30%, or something of buildingsin the world have had water
damage at some point. So again,I just would like to get a
little bit from you on that on,you know, what you experienced
with that, you know, what peopleshould be aware of to look out
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for?
Juliet Wilson (43:20):
Yeah, absolutely.
And again, I find that mold isoften that thing that people
overlook, as, but it's one ofthe most important keys in
regaining your health whenyou've got this suite of
illnesses. And so what happenedfor me was, after I'd been
treating the heavy metals for awhile, I moved with my son to an
apartment near the beach. And Iwas doing some aggressive, heavy
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metal detox at the time, andstarted to have really extreme
symptoms two weeks after wemoved into this new home. Now I
thought that I was havingreactions to the heavy metal
treatment. So I went to a newintegrative doctor who
specialized in heavy metals. AndI explained, you know, the
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history of what I've beenexperiencing, and that, you
know, my symptoms had justgotten so much worse, and I
wasn't sure why but I thoughtmaybe it was the heavy metal
treatment. And he listened for awhile and he said, You know, I'm
not convinced this is the heavymetal treatment. He said, Have
you been exposed to mold? And Ithought What an odd question,
you know, I'm an outdoorsynature loving kinda girl. Molds
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not dangerous. It's just afungus isn't it?! Little did I
know and that was the start of avery long education into the
fact that mold is not just aplant or a fungus. It is
actually, you know, extremelybad for people like me who can't
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detox mycotoxins very well. Andand as you said, you know, At
25% of people in the world havea gene variation that mean they
cannot detox the mycotoxins frommold. And the figure on the
water damage buildings isactually closer to 50%.
Arwen Bardsley (45:12):
Oh, wow.
Juliet Wilson (45:14):
Yeah, that have had water damage at some point.
Now, you know, as I startedopening my eyes, you know, I
learned a lot that mold doesn'thave to be visible to cause
harm, that you won't often won'tget well, in the same
environment you got sick in youoften. Often even remediating a
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place completely is verydifficult and very expensive.
You really need to reduce yourexposure to biotoxins. But the
good news is you can get well,it's it's a slow road, but it is
absolutely possible. And part ofthat is also treating the other
things that are affecting theimmune system. But mold is, it's
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really important to treat mouldbecause of the way that it
normally affects your immunesystem, but your detox pathways,
so if you're not detoxing yourmycotoxins and your detox
pathways are getting jammed upwith with mold exposure, that's
also when your heavy metallevels are going to start
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stacking up when your otherpathogens, chemicals, you know,
pesticides, etc, those levelsare going to be also building up
in your system, because the moldis stopping your body from
detoxing Well, now, part of theproblem in Australia is that a
lot of areas we live in are highhumidity, our buildings aren't,
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you know, often aren'tventilated very well. A lot of
the modern architecture, forinstance, the home that we've
moved into was a modernapartment building near the
beach. But the windows, thebathrooms have no windows. So,
you know, it was it was veryeasy for the mould to, you know,
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take hold and, and grow rapidly,you know, in in the last few
months, knowing the amount offlooding and heavy rains that
are going on in parts of ourcountry and the humidity. And,
you know, it's wonderful to seefor the first time that mold
illness is being talked about inmainstream media. Because you
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know, even a couple of yearsago, people just had never even
heard of it. So it's it's goodto see the awareness is growing.
But I feel it is a massive issuehere that is still really not
understood very well not oftenrecognized. And you know, so
many people are living in moldyrental apartments with real
estates agents, and landlordswho are not doing the right
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thing, partially because theyjust don't understand the
seriousness of it. So it is amassive problem that I would
like to see a lot moreinformation about. And yeah,
it's it's the longest chapter inmy book it goes into great
detail about what mold illnessis. It is a biotoxin illness,
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which is also known as chronicinflammatory response syndrome.
And it causes severeinflammation and you know, this
cascade of other health effects.
biotoxins can be produced bylots of different things such as
mold and bacteria, but also Lymedisease is a biotoxin illness.
You know, so many people willreally become ill when they're
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exposed to high levels of biotoxins. And when they're removed
from that exposure, a lot ofthem can recover through their
body's detox mechanisms. But forthose 25% of us, we actually
need specific binders that willhelp remove those from our body.
And, and yeah, another, youknow, fact that that, I guess,
you know, kind of stopped me inmy tracks was that it only takes
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48 hours for the dampness from aminor leak, or a water intrusion
for mold, mold fragments,bacteria and mold byproducts to
start developing 48 hours. Andit thrives in those moist humid
places, like warm dark placeslike under refrigerators and
inside your washing machine, youknow feeds on wood and paper and
organic materials and and yeah,like I said it grows in those
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high humidity environments aslittle as 48 hours. And it never
grows alone. Bacteria alwayspresent as well and they also
release more toxins andinflammatories that work
together to make you veryunwell. So you have to approach
it in a number of ways you needto safely remove the source of
the mold and detox your body aswell as removing the other
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sources of toxicity in your inyour home and your workplace and
the other places that you spendtime. You know, and I know that
for most people, learning thatmold exposures affecting their
health can be quiteoverwhelming. You know,
understanding the you know thatthere are so many different
things that you need to do toremediate your living
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environment and help regain Yourhealth, but it's just you know,
taking one step at a time, youknow, and the book really talks
you through in a really deepdigestible and simple way, all
of those things that you need todo to remove the mold toxins
from your body and to make surethat your environment is not
further contributing to yourhealth issues.
Arwen Bardsley (50:20):
And, it also, what I love was the list of
things that you can do like on amonthly maintenance schedule to
make sure that mold isn'tbuilding up like, you know, the
putting the, the bicarb andvinegar down your drains, you
know, once once a month downyour bathroom drain and that
sort of thing, which is, youknow, just a great tip for
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anyone, regardless of if they'vegot no symptoms, or you know,
that they don't have that thatunfortunate gene defect if we
want to put it that way. Soyeah, it is what it is. And it's
so easy to read everyone andreally, really just available
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for for anyone, it's not, youknow, full of sciency language
that the general person on thestreet won't understand. So I
think it's wonderful in thatway. Before we finish up Juliet,
I did really just want to touchon trauma, because again, in my
work, you know, looking at whatthe underlying causes are of
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somebody's condition, it oftendoes come back to emotional or
even spiritual things that, youknow, have not been processed
effectively. So therefore, theyget processed by the physical
body. And I'd love for you tojust talk for a couple of
minutes about what youdiscovered about trauma and the
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impact that that's had for you.
Juliet Wilson (51:48):
Absolutely. And Arwen, you know, I had been
hearing for many, many yearsthrough my journey, that trauma
is often an underlying factor inchronic illness. You know, and
when you have a seriouscondition like Lyme, you know,
not getting rid of thoseunaddressed traumas or clusters
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of minor traumas, they don'thave to be major traumas they
can be, you know, clusters ofminor traumas that will get in
the way of your full healing.
You know, and I had alwayslooked back on my childhood and
thought, Oh, well, that doesn'tapply to me, you know, I had
loving parents, a positive andloving environment. But I read a
book that stopped me in mytracks, called the primal wound.
Now, I was adopted at threeweeks old and raised in Canada
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by a lovely, my adoptive parentsare beautiful people, and you
know, a very loving family in abeautiful environment. But what
I guess I hadn't fully realizedis that, that day that I was
born, and removed from mybiological mother, who was only
16, at the time, even though Ican't remember that it was a
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trauma that was leaving deepwithin my body and affecting my
ability to, to fully, you know,regain my health. When I read
that book, it just resonated sodeeply. And I finally understood
that I had experienced majortrauma. And the you know, I had
all the hallmarks of that, andits impact on my physical
health. And, you know, sheexplained in the book, how early
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trauma can impair the regulationof your hypothalamus,
hypothalamus, pituitary axis.
And, you know, because my lifebegan with a trauma that I
perceived to be lifethreatening, my cortisol and
adrenaline levels would havejust spiked up and my serotonin
would have dropped. And that hasbeen my pattern through my life,
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I naturally produce high levelsof cortisol. And I'm really
great in a crisis, I handlestress very, very well, you
know, I appear and feel quitecalm during the process. But
after that, the stress passes iswhen I get the physical effects.
And, you know, I don't I don'tblame anyone for my adoption, I
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don't see myself as a victim.
And, you know, for me, love iswhat makes your family and I had
that in abundance. But now Ifinally understood that there
had been an impact and that Ineeded to change those physical
patterns and those subconsciousbelief systems that I had
developed, so I could fullyrecover my health. Now, I had
tried various ways of doingthat, but I didn't really
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successfully deal with it untilvery recently, when I discovered
something that has been anabsolutely transformational
experience for me. So in thebook, so I had actually almost
finished writing the book, andwas well into my treatment
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protocol and having amazingsuccess when I was diagnosed
with breast cancer 18 monthsago. And unfortunately, that
was, you know, a side step I hadto take in my in recovering my
health, which was lengthy andvery intense, and going through,
you know, full cancer treatmentof chemo, double mastectomy and
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radiation therapy during a fulllockdown meant that I didn't
have the kind of normal supportspeople do during cancer
treatment. So I came through itand my husband was stuck in
Canada at the time, theAustralian Government would not
grant an exemption, despite thefact he was fully vaccinated. So
that he could come and supportme through that. So I got
through it. And, you know, sortof, at the end of last year
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thought, hey, you know, gosh,I'm doing really well, despite
everything that happened. And,you know, my husband was able to
come for a couple of monthsbefore he had to return to
Canada. And just before he leftwas when the trauma hit, you
know, when I had gotten throughit, I'd coped really well. And
then I was in that safe placewhere I could let let my guard
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down. And I started experiencingpretty severe PTSD.
And you know, with the thosesame symptoms, the dramatic
weight loss, the digestivedistress, the crushing,
insomnia, just hardly able toeven go to sleep, you know, for
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an hour in those first fewweeks. So fortunately, I had a
consultation with a doctor inthe US who has been guiding, you
know, the last stages of my Lymeprotocol. And he quickly
recognized that I wasexperiencing post traumatic
stress. And he said that Ineeded to look into whether I
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could get some Neurofeedback inAustralia. He said, it's
something they commonly use withtheir lyme patients and cancer
patients. It's a wonderful toolthat helps people in so many
different ways. So Neurofeedbackwas actually developed by
clinical psychologists, and it'sa computer aided training method
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for your brain that tracks yourbrain's electrical activity,
millisecond by millisecond, anduses your natural feedback
system to give your brainfeedback that enables it to self
adjust and reset its ownpatterns. So you're not
inputting anything into thebrain, you're using a software
system, you're attaching sensorsto your ears and to your scalp,
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that's measuring your brain'selectrical activity, and picking
up when those that activity isnot balanced in the way it
should. And it's signaling toyour brain, okay, you need to
self adjust and reset yourpatterns. And over a series of
sessions, it helps with so manydifferent things. It's, it's
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been absolutely transformationalfor me. And, you know, I went
into it thinking, you know, I'dreally love it if this could
improve my insomnia, but so manyother things have come out of
it. My body temperature isregulated for the first time in
many, many years, my digestionhas improved, my constipation
has gone away, I'm going tosleep quicker, sleeping more
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deeply and waking less times inthe night than I used to. There
are so many things that ourbrain and nervous system govern
in our bodies, that when theyare not functioning well or out
of balance, we can reallysuffer. And so neurofeedback is
an incredibly powerful way ofgetting your brain and nervous
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system to self regulate better,and which brings so many
improvements across both yourphysical and mental health, even
in a lot that you aren'texpecting. So it's been so
incredible for me, I ended upactually purchasing a system and
I've started my own businessbecause I know how incredible
this has been for me to heal mynervous system and brain
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dysregulation from the traumaI've experienced in the past and
how much that's contributing tomy overall health and well being
to regaining my health fully.
But also another wonderful thingit does is it enables the body
to handle the treatments muchbetter. So, yeah, it's it's been
really powerful for me. So I'veset up the Melbourne
(59:12):
Neurofeedback Center, and I'moffering discounts, particularly
to people in the Lyme community,in the cancer community. Because
most of us who have gone throughthese types of treatments, we've
spent a lot of money, we're indebt. Yet these kinds of things
can have such a wonderful impactfor us that my mission is just
to try to make it accessible forpeople so they can also
(59:34):
experience it. Oh,
Arwen Bardsley (59:38):
so how can people get in touch with you for
that?
Unknown (59:42):
I've got a website called Melbourne Neurofeedback
center, and my contact detailsare there. There's one page
which has all the frequentlyasked questions that everything
you might want to know about it.
And then there's a whole sectionon research. You know, it's
backed by decades of evidencebased clinical Research in
neuroscience. So there areclinical studies into all the
(01:00:03):
different kinds of things thatcan assist with, you know,
everything from ADHD, toinsomnia, anxiety, depression,
but also, it can be used in anysituation where you want to
improve your concentration orfocus. So for instance, a lot of
elite athletes will use it toimprove their cognition, their
focus, their concentration, butalso to reduce their performance
(01:00:26):
anxiety. So basically, anyonewith a brain can benefit
training their brain and helpingtheir brain and nervous system
better self regulate.
Arwen Bardsley (01:00:39):
Yeah, great.
Yeah. Cuz I was just gonna sayso, you know, is it still useful
for people who don't have, youknow, a significant problem? And
you've answered that question?
So thank you. That sounds likesomething every everyone should
do. Really?
Juliet Wilson (01:00:52):
Yeah, it's definitely also used for any
kind of peak performance. Youknow, I was thinking, I wish
that I had known about it whenmy son was doing VCE. You know,
not just for his memory andfocus, but also for the anxiety
around those, you know,horrendous big exams.
Arwen Bardsley (01:01:08):
Yeah. So is your business, hiring out equipment?
Is that how it works?
Juliet Wilson (01:01:14):
It is, you know, I provide either after two hour
sessions in my home clinic, or Ido home rental systems, or I can
ship them to anywhere inAustralia. It's, it's a self
automated system, it's plug andplay. So it's very easy for
anyone to use, it doesn'trequire diagnosis or technical
expertise.
Arwen Bardsley (01:01:33):
Okay, amazing.
I'll be signing up. And then, ofcourse, the book I just want to
do to let people know, I mean, Ijust want to say, I can't
believe that you with everythingyou're going through, especially
over the last 18 months, thatthat you've wrote a book as
well. But I'm so glad that youdid, especially for all those
people out there suffering from,you know, chronic and complex
(01:01:57):
illnesses that they they'rehaving trouble, you know,
resolving, and even beingdiagnosed and then working out
how to treat themselves. So Ithink it's so useful. But so
where can people get the book?
And any other details you wantto share about that?
Juliet Wilson (01:02:15):
Yeah, sure. Look, as you said, you know, my
journey was horrendous, and it'sunfortunately, not uncommon. You
know, and I was fortunate enoughto finally come across a doctor
who recognized who I was dealingwith. But what I realized there
are so many people like mearound the world who are not
diagnosed properly andstruggling for years, I felt it
was so important to share what Ilearned in the hope that I could
(01:02:38):
help others regain their healthand survive the experience along
the way. You know, it's a bookthat I wrote the book that I've
wished that I had read 12 yearsago, and I wrote it in the hope
that others can recognize theirown or a loved one's journey in
mine. And that reading about it,you know, what I used to recover
gives them the guidance andconfidence that they can get
(01:02:59):
well, as well. So the book isavailable on Amazon, you know,
everywhere around the world,it's also available at readings,
Carlton, and at the Sun theatrebookshop. And, yeah, I guess,
you know, it's my book isdedicated to all those of you
who are suffering from complex,long term illness, or who are
(01:03:19):
supporting someone through it.
The message I hope that peopletake away is that you're not
alone. And there is hope. Youknow, I and so many others
understand what you're upagainst. And please have
compassion for yourself and knowthat your illness and suffering
is not in your imagination. Andit's not your fault. And hang in
there and keep going, you know,surround yourself with a good
support team and never give up.
(01:03:40):
I know, you've probably triedmany, many things, but please
read my book and look into theprotocol that I talked about.
It's not the only one that willwork, but it is the most
comprehensive and effective thatI personally came across. And
the last thing is that you canand will get better and you
know, I'm proof of that.
Arwen Bardsley (01:03:57):
Yeah, thank you.
That's beautiful words to finishwith. So I so appreciate your
time, Juliet. And thank you forthe wisdom and experiences that
you've shared with everyonetoday.
Juliet Wilson (01:04:11):
My pleasure.
Thank you, Arwen.
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