Dreamscape

In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about obvious bad guys, dream sex consent, and much more during their discussion of their second Halloween Series flick, Dreamscape (1984). 

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
What's going on here, Charlie?
Last week I would have laughedat you.
I'm not so sure about what'sgoing on.
The stakes are a little higherthan I imagined.
Mr.
Blair is playing for Keats.
That woman who linked with TommyRay didn't just die of a heart
attack.
What are you saying?
I'm saying Blair's a ruthlesskiller.
Officially, his organizationdoesn't even exist.
I mean, these are the guys eventhe CIA are afraid of.

(00:30):
What, you mean he's training meto be some kind of a spy?
No, no, no.
He wants more than spies, Alex.
He wants assassins.

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Hello and welcome to 80s movie montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_04 (00:39):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
And that was Dennis Quaid as Alex Gardner and George
Wend as Stephen King.
Wait, no, that's Charlie Princein 1984 as Dreamscape.

SPEAKER_04 (00:51):
Yes, crack.

SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
He basically was Stephen King.

SPEAKER_04 (00:54):
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (00:55):
Because like the character He's like a horror
writer named Charlie Prince,just like getting research on
something.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02):
Oh, I didn't really put that together.
Instead of Stephen King, CharliePrince.
Okay, alright, alright.
Yes, Dreamscape, which is thesecond in this year's Halloween
series.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
Yeah.
There was a point where you'relike, so this is a horror movie,
right?
I'm like, it's sci-fi horror.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
This is true.
This is true.
Because this is the very firstwatch for me.
But you you knew this home.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30):
I I knew the snake man.
I remember the snake man, but Ihaven't seen this movie in a
really long time.
I remembered like thehyper-realistic sky and some of
the dream sequences and thesnake man, but I somehow had
purged from my memory some ofthe wilder dream sequences.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Yeah.
I mean Yeah, they were there.
Snake Man was giving me like uhMedusa vibes from Clash of the
Titans.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
It looked like uh similar kind of effects
technology.
Like the stop motion.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04):
Yeah, stop motion.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I'm excited to dive into Imean, it's always fun for me to
like check out a film.
There's been a couple times thisyear where I was like totally
brand new to a movie.

SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:18):
So it's always fun to see those.
And we have three creditedwriters for this one.

SPEAKER_02 (02:25):
It's always a good sign.

SPEAKER_04 (02:27):
Well, I don't I don't think it's a bad sign,
honestly.
I don't I don't think it's likea huge deal that there's like
three different writers.
We have first David.
Okay, so I just want to prefacereal quick.
Unfortunately, this is gonna beone of those episodes where a
lot of the people that we talkabout are no longer with us.
Uh, and it starts with DavidLori.

SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:46):
Lori.
Sure.
Uh he passed in 2024.
He has story and screenplaycredit for this.
So he he was probably like thefirst person on this project.
Um had like a good little, likethat sounds so demeaning.
I'm not trying to sound he had anice filmography of uh movies
where I'm like, oh, he wrotethat too.

(03:06):
Cool.
So all films for him I have,starting with Star Trek Volin
the Final Frontier.

SPEAKER_02 (03:15):
Yeah, I didn't.

SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
I thought that that was one you weren't like a huge
fan of.

SPEAKER_02 (03:18):
It's not my favorite.

SPEAKER_04 (03:19):
Why?
Is that the one with the whales?

SPEAKER_02 (03:22):
No, that was uh four, The Voyage Home.
That one's great.

SPEAKER_04 (03:26):
Okay, my apologies.

SPEAKER_02 (03:27):
Five though, uh, just didn't do it for me.

SPEAKER_04 (03:31):
Okay, fair.

SPEAKER_02 (03:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
Fair.
He wrote Passenger 57.
He did the 1993, The ThreeMusketeers.

SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (03:40):
Because there's a billion of those.
Yeah.
Uh Money Train.

unknown (03:43):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
Tom and Huck.
Isn't that Whistle Snipes too?

SPEAKER_04 (03:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:46):
In Passenger 57.
Yeah.
Also, yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (03:50):
You know, I was thinking about this when I was
doing uh my notes on thisepisode.
There's not a there haven't beena lot of, unless I'm overlooking
them, a lot of like Mark Twainadaptations lately.
But I feel like there's a periodof time where Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:03):
There was like the animated thing.

SPEAKER_04 (04:06):
The animated thing?

SPEAKER_02 (04:07):
Animated uh like uh Tom Saw.
Like there, yeah, there's likesome some weird, weird animated
uh Mark Twain stuff.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:16):
But he wrote Tom and Huck, uh Blindsided, and
Shattered End of the Road.

SPEAKER_02 (04:22):
Those are two different movies, right?
It's not one shattered end ofthe road.

SPEAKER_04 (04:26):
Oh, did I not you know what?
Thank you for saying that.

SPEAKER_02 (04:31):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (04:32):
Yeah, I think I did just like I didn't hit enter.
Creating a new line.

SPEAKER_02 (04:38):
So shattered and end of the world.
Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_04 (04:41):
Yeah, I kind of like shattered end of the road.

SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
It can work.
There's something.

SPEAKER_04 (04:46):
I mean, what's the movie title?
There's like bizarre movietitles out there, but I actually
that was such a like happy uhlittle, I don't know, I wouldn't
say accident, but incident thatyou were like you mentioned that
because that made me realize, ohno, I made a mistake.
So anyway, those are hiscredits.

SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (05:02):
Okay, moving on to actually kind of familiar name,
but yeah, I think for sure he'llcome up again in the future.
Chuck Russell.
So he also has a screenplaycredit for this film.
And the reason why he's afamiliar name is because this
was like several seasons ago,but a brand new viewing to you
and me at the time was the 1988The Blob.

SPEAKER_02 (05:26):
That's such a fun movie.
Like the effects are insane.

SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:33):
Like it, they're they're horrifying.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:36):
Many thanks still to Gary for introducing us to that
film.
Go go check out that episode.
It's like what, season two,probably.

SPEAKER_02 (05:42):
Uh always have respect for horror movies that
are like, oh no, we're gonnakill this kid in a horrifying
way.

SPEAKER_04 (05:48):
Respect.

SPEAKER_02 (05:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's exactly sorry, spoilers.
Yeah.
Kid dies in that movie.
But he both wrote and directedthat film.
So that's where I was like,yeah, why do I know this name?
And the reason why he willalmost certainly come up again,
not this season, but he willcome up again in the future
because he also directed wroteand directed A Nightmare on Elm

(06:10):
Street 3 Dream Warriors.

SPEAKER_02 (06:12):
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like there's someconnection between that and
Dreamscape.

SPEAKER_04 (06:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
Very much.

SPEAKER_04 (06:18):
Yeah, I wonder if they pulled him into that
because of this.
Who knows?
He also, so we're still talkingabout Chuck Russell.
He also wrote Paradise City, andhe has a credit for the 20.
So somebody put this on my radarjust a couple days ago.
There's an 80s film calledWitchboard.

SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
Really?

SPEAKER_04 (06:38):
That I wasn't aware of.

SPEAKER_02 (06:40):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (06:40):
Uh, I guess it's a horror film, and they highly
recommended it.
So maybe in the future we'llcover that one.
But there was a remake of it in2024.
And so Chuck Russell uh wrote onthat.
So the reason why I was like,oh, like when this person
brought it to my attention, Iwas like, oh my gosh, it has
Patch from Days of Our Lives.
It's like a big character fromDays of Our Lives.
Not that I really watched thatshow, but Patch and Kayla, they

(07:03):
were very popular.

SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
I am not familiar with them.

SPEAKER_04 (07:05):
Anyway.
Okay, and lastly, the lastcredit is for the director.
Like he wrote, and I thinkprobably had a hand in doing a
couple punch-ups on the script.
Joseph Rubin.
And he is primarily a director,so he doesn't have a ton of
writing credits, and I try toseparate those out when I can.
So of his strictly speaking,writing credits, it seems like

(07:27):
very early in his career, hewrote to direct like his own
projects.

SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (07:32):
And then kind of went away from that because his
writing credits are also hisfirst three directing credits,
which are The Sister-in-Law, PomPom Girls, and Joyride.

SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (07:43):
Don't know them.
But let's segue into hisdirecting career.
So same three films, if we'retalking chronological order.
And then we get into films thatare maybe a little bit more well
known Our Winning Season, Gorp,which isn't a great film, but I
I I'm not familiar with Gorp.
It's like a it's a really badlike summer camp type movie.

SPEAKER_02 (08:05):
Is it like a meatballs kind of thing?
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (08:08):
But worse.

SPEAKER_02 (08:08):
It's like But worse, but Meatballs is fantastic, so
Yeah, so worse.
But it's oh well it yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (08:15):
Was I indicating that meatballs is not good?
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (08:18):
I I interpreted it as I th I I was hearing it as
meatballs is bad, Gorp is evenworse.

SPEAKER_04 (08:23):
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean it that way.

SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
But if you meant like the kind of humor and they
go like it's basically likePorkies at camp.

SPEAKER_04 (08:31):
I think it has kind of anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
I know I saw it ages ago, but Porkies is the gold
standard if I just want to talkabout an 80s movie that I think
is trash.

SPEAKER_04 (08:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (08:42):
I'm on board with that.
He also and then it's funny, helike really um goes in a lot of
different directions as far asgenre.
He wrote, or I'm sorry, directedSleeping with the Enemy, The
Good Son.
So he directed Money Train.

SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (08:57):
He directed a film called The Forgotten, and then
he also directed, I brought itup a minute ago, Blindsided.
And then his last credit, Ithink as of right now, was like
2017, The Ottoman Lieutenant.
All right, moving on to the DPCinematography by Brian Tufano.

SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (09:17):
He passed as well.
He passed in 2023.
And yeah, really interestingcareer.
He had quite a bit of early,like earlier in his career, a
lot of TV work.
So with the films that he's donevery early in his career, he
shot a film called Quadrophenia.

SPEAKER_02 (09:35):
What's that?

SPEAKER_04 (09:37):
So I did Who's that?
I I did look.
Um, I guess actually, when Ifirst Googled it, I think what
popped up was like uh the Who,like an album or something.
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (09:48):
Um something like that.
And but Quad is specificallyfour, and I think it's like kind
of a term for schizophrenia, butlike specifically four different
personalities.

SPEAKER_02 (09:59):
Well, the trailer the not the trailer, the um
synopsis is just Jimmy Cooperloathes his dead end job and his
working class parents.
He seeks solace with his modclick, scooter riding, and drugs
only to be disappointed.

SPEAKER_04 (10:15):
Well, I don't That's the movie.
I don't know what the titleindicates about like the
connection to the actual filmstory.

SPEAKER_02 (10:21):
Quadriphina, quo and then like the um I think it's a
cool word.
A way of life.
That's the way of life.
That's on the uh poster, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Uh he shot Shallow Grave, Train Spotting, A Life
Less Ordinary.
So those are all, I believe,Danny Boyle films.

SPEAKER_01 (10:38):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (10:38):
Uh so he must have had a relationship with him.
He also shot, I I do love thismovie.
It's been a while since I'vewatched it, Billy Elliott.
Yeah.
It's a very, very sweet movie.
Uh he also, and I was like, oh,are these films connected?
Because he shot a film calledCadulthood.

SPEAKER_02 (10:55):
Cadult, like kid adulthood, cadulthood.

SPEAKER_04 (10:58):
But like smash those two words together.
Okay.
And then he also did a filmcalled Adulthood.
So I thought, oh, well, ofcourse that must be like a
sequel to Cadulthood.
No, it's not.
It's just two different movies.
That's anyway.
And then uh some of his laterwork, he did a 2011 film called
The Gymnast.

(11:18):
Or I should just say gymnast.

SPEAKER_02 (11:20):
There was no the he apparently also uh in TV work
was cinematographer for oneepisode of a 1977 TV miniseries
called Supernatural.
So I don't know what that is,but it's not the same
supernatural.

SPEAKER_04 (11:37):
Obviously, obviously, obviously, Avi.
Okay, moving on to music.
And we have brought thisgentleman up before, actually,
several times.
Maurice is a I mean severaltimes, and I'm still questioning
the way I say his name, Jare.

SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
Sure.
Okay, yeah, why not?

SPEAKER_04 (11:59):
So he's getting crazy with the music was crazy
with the electronic keyboard,yeah.
It was, I we both brought it upa couple times because it was
like kind of noticeable, and Idon't know if that's good or
bad.
I do think that like tonally itprobably supported the film's
story, but sometimes it was likea little much.

SPEAKER_02 (12:19):
I can say that while I I don't have a a ton of
memories of seeing the moviebesides Snake Man, I don't
remember the music standing outthe way it did when we watched
it last night, where I'm like,holy cow, this is this is uh
intense, intensely 80s.

SPEAKER_04 (12:35):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And he also has passed.
He passed in 2009.
Now I'll get to like all thebecause his his career so far
precedes this film.
I mean, he was amulti-oscar-winning composer,
and it's just absolutely wild tome the diversity of projects

(13:01):
that he has done.
When I start, and I mean, I knowI know for a fact I said this
the last time we brought him upbecause it still blows my mind.
So his career started with likeshort films.
Uh, he scores the olive trees ofjustice, he gets his first
Oscar.
So let's see.
He does have a couple originalsongs, so it's a little bit of a

(13:21):
mix of score nominations,original song nominations.
The first one is score forSundays in Sibylle.

SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (13:30):
He wins best score.
So this guy, he composedLawrence of Arabia.

SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 (13:39):
Iconic score.
He wins again for this was mydad's favorite film, Dr.
Chivago.

SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (13:49):
I mean, another truly iconic, yeah, gorgeous
score.
So this is the same guy, just toremind you, he he scored Lords
of Arabia, Dr.
Chivago, and Dreamscape.

SPEAKER_02 (14:03):
So Yeah, no, this guy this guy doesn't waste his
time with projects that aren'tgreat.

SPEAKER_04 (14:13):
That's the way of putting it.
He gets a best original songnomination for the life and
times of Judge Roy Bean.
Love this title.
The effect of gamma rays on Manin the Moon Marigolds.

SPEAKER_01 (14:28):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (14:28):
Might have to check that out.
He scores the man who would beking.
He gets another score nominationfor The Message.
He does The Last Tycoon, The TinDrum, Taps.
So now we're getting to the 80s.
He does, again, Lawrence forArabia as well as Top Secret.

(14:49):
He, I mean, and he fluctuates sowildly.
He gets another score win for apassage to India.
He gets another score nominationfor witness.
Oh he also, I think I broughtthis up the last time too
because I was like, oh, he didlike two back-to-back Harrison
Ford films.
Because he also scores theMosquito Coast.
Now, the very the last time webrought him up is because he
scored Fatal Attraction.

SPEAKER_02 (15:11):
Okay.
He also scored uh a ClintEastwood movie that I'm gonna
try to figure out.
I'm gonna try to figure out howto get that into one of these
seasons.
Um, Firefox.

SPEAKER_04 (15:22):
What's that one about?

SPEAKER_02 (15:24):
That is where he is an ex-like uh pilot chosen to
get um to sneak into the SovietUnion to steal an experimental
fighter plane.

SPEAKER_04 (15:37):
It's always about Soviet Union, although they call
him Russians in this film.

SPEAKER_02 (15:42):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just call him that to beoffensive.

SPEAKER_04 (15:49):
So he that's I'm not even done with his uh I mean,
this is just a fraction of theword.
He was a prolific composer.
He gets another score nominationfor Gorillas in the Mist.
We also brought him up becausehe scored Dead Poet Society.
Go check out that episode.
He also scored Prancer.

SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (16:08):
We are coming upon, although I don't want to cut
short our Halloween series, butwe are coming upon the holiday
season.
So go check out that episodewhen when we get to it.
Uh, or when we get to thatseason.
He gets his last best scorenomination for Ghost.
And then he also does a coupleother titles, school ties, and a
walk in the clouds.
I mean, what a fucking career.

SPEAKER_02 (16:29):
And also the family friendly comedy Jacob's Ladder.

SPEAKER_04 (16:33):
Oh, yeah.
I like you.
I once you name something, it'slike, oh yeah, of course you
noticed that one.
Yeah.
But uh, what a career, right?
Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
Insane.

SPEAKER_04 (16:45):
Insane.
Okay.
Moving on to film editing,Richard Halsley.
And he's still working.
This guy, he's still going forit.
And he has some like amazingcredits.
He's also Oscar winner.
So he started out in televisionearly in his career as well.
He for a while was uh I don'tknow, the editor, a editor on

(17:07):
Peyton Place TV series, buteverything else I have for him,
films.
So he cuts Harry and Ton.
He is still very early in hiscareer.
He gets a best film editingOscar win for Rocky.

SPEAKER_02 (17:23):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (17:24):
He cut Rocky.

SPEAKER_02 (17:24):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (17:25):
He does, and there are it's kind of amazing that we
haven't brought it up yet, butthere are gonna be definitely, I
don't know if like soon iscorrect, but down the road, I'm
sure he'll come back because hecut American Giggolo, Down and
Out in Beverly Hills, Mannequin.
That probably would be the nextone we would talk about with
him.
Dragnet, Earth Girls Are Easy,he does Beaches.

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Now we're getting to the 90s,Joe versus the Volcano.
Weird, weird movie.
I don't if I've seen it, I don'treally have any recollection of
it.

SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
I think what what was strange about Joe versus the
volcano is that you kind of havean idea in in your mind on what
a movie's gonna be with TomHanks and Meg Ryan.
Yeah.
And this was just like a reallyum off the rails kind of film.

SPEAKER_04 (18:15):
Okay.
Alright.
I love this movie.
He cuts uh Edward Scissor Handsbecause they did that.
I feel like that's a film thatthey should play at the bowl,
like over the holidays.

SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:28):
It has a great score too.

SPEAKER_02 (18:30):
Which holiday?

SPEAKER_04 (18:32):
I'm gonna say maybe like November, like early, like
so past Halloween.

SPEAKER_02 (18:38):
Thanksgiving with scissor hands.

SPEAKER_04 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah.
He uh cut Sister Axe, so Imarried an Axe Murderer, the
2018 The Little Mermaid, andjust this year he cut a film
called Isabel's Garden.
Okay, we are at the stars of ourfilm.
We have actually a lot of bignames in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
I mean, from everyone that we just talked
about to who we're about to gothrough, this is a blockbuster
with big names Academy Award.

SPEAKER_04 (19:13):
But was it actually No, I don't think so.
Yeah.
Um, no, but yeah, a lot of bignames, starting with star of the
film, Dennis Quaid.
Oh, what was that?

SPEAKER_02 (19:25):
Well, I mean, I I have generally enjoyed him quite
a bit.

SPEAKER_04 (19:30):
But you're talking about his life outside of
acting.
Yes.
Yes, I understand, and I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (19:35):
Too bad.

SPEAKER_04 (19:36):
Too bad.
Unfortunate.
Unfortunate.
So he plays Alex Gardner, andnow look, normally I don't like
I know we get to like oursynopsis section, but I don't
usually do like a full rundown.
But I I'm really curious.
That's probably just gonna be mycall to action of like how
familiar people are with thismovie.

(19:57):
Uh not to say that like peoplewouldn't be just because I
wasn't, but Oh, people arefamiliar with this movie.
Because of Snakeman?

SPEAKER_02 (20:06):
No, I don't know.
I just think I think if um ifyou just said the name, you'd be
like, wait, what?
But yeah, yeah, exactly.
Then you say, you know, the onewith Snake Man, they'd be like,
oh yeah, now I remember.

SPEAKER_04 (20:19):
Okay.
Well, I mean, this thischaracter in this film, so he I
mean, he kind of reminded me ofEleven from Straight.
Maybe because we were doing arewatch of Stranger Things.

SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:31):
In terms of like just having these like psychic
abilities.
He also, I thought it was reallyinteresting because now he
wasn't as young as 11, but a lotof the language around the way
he was treated when he was stilltechnically a teenager sounded
very similar, where he's beingput through the ringer for all

(20:52):
these like lab tests.
There's this like one personthat's like his point of
contact, the way that likeMatthew Modine was for 11.

SPEAKER_03 (20:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:00):
Um, in terms of um Max von Siddao, and he
essentially like goes at my A.

SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
I think I called him the aggressively reluctant hero.

SPEAKER_04 (21:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:13):
Because he he just um like no matter no matter what
it was at the beginning, they'relike, we wanna we want you to uh
help us with no.
Okay, so this is what we're no,like no.

SPEAKER_04 (21:25):
Well, I guess I get it.
And it but it was a reallyinteresting dynamic to me
because like obviously, and Imean it seems like the extent of
the abuse she suffered was waymore extensive in Stranger
Things.

SPEAKER_01 (21:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:37):
But Alex seems to have come out of his situation,
like he's a jokester, he's likepretty like sassy, like he is
sassy, yeah.
Yeah, he doesn't seem too brokenup over the experience, although
he certainly doesn't want to bepart of it again, but he still
maintains like a weirdlypositive relationship with I I

(21:59):
should stop calling him by theactor, just um what's Mac?
Uh Dr.
Is it Navot Novotny?
Novotny.

SPEAKER_01 (22:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:07):
So like when he gets pulled in and he realizes that
it's him behind why he was like,I don't know, kidnapped as a
strong word.
Abducted.
But abducted.
When he realizes it's him, like,yeah, he's like kind of piss
they're both kind of pissy witheach other, yeah.
But then they're like, let's goto dinner.
Like it was very interesting tome that they had that type of
rapport.

SPEAKER_02 (22:28):
Yeah.
I mean, I think there was onlyone place to go to dinner in the
village, and it was Hooters.

SPEAKER_04 (22:33):
Village.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, was that a realplace in LA?
Because they're obviously in LosAngeles.

SPEAKER_02 (22:39):
I don't know.
I mean, it yeah, they were verymuch in LA because he's like,
just let me off on Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_04 (22:46):
Instead of just like to not alienate people who have
no fucking clue what street thatis, you could have just like,
you could just leave me out llet me out here, you know.
In any case, this is the firsttime we have brought up Dennis
Quaid, at least to be featuredin a film.
Isn't that interesting?

SPEAKER_02 (23:05):
That is.

SPEAKER_04 (23:06):
Yeah.
Uh he very much got his start inlike late 70s, early 80s, and
had a great 80s.
I mean, he still is working tothis day for sure, but some of
his early work, and I have so asof like late, he's done a lot
more television, but his earlywork was definitely
film-focused.

(23:27):
He did breaking away.
He was in the movie Gor Gorp.

SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (23:31):
Yeah, he was in that.
Uh Caveman, which is justterrible.
Uh he I do want to do this filmat some point.
The night the lights went out inGeorgia.

SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
I don't know what that's about.

SPEAKER_04 (23:42):
So it's him, it's Mark Hamill, and it's Christy
McNichol.

SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (23:47):
And so I've never seen the entire film.
I've seen bits and pieces, butshe I think they both so Dennis
Quaid and Christy McNichol arebrother and sister.
I think they both haveaspirations of being like
country singers.
However, she's far moresuccessful than he is.

(24:08):
And that's kind of the extent towhich I think I know what the
movie's about.
And then Mark Hamill is like herlove interest.

SPEAKER_01 (24:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (24:14):
So I've always thought it sounded like an
interesting movie.
So maybe one day.
It's 80s.

SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Right after Firefox.

SPEAKER_04 (24:21):
I think it's 81.
So this is so funny because thisis now like two episodes in a
row where somebody just had likea you could say cameo, but they
weren't well known at the time.
But he also was in stripes.
We said it last time about BillPaxton.

SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
Like an extra or something in it, the graduation
ceremony.

SPEAKER_04 (24:37):
Which is weird that there's so many later down the
road big actors who were hadthese little parts.
He maybe kind of gets his likemore name recognition for Jaws
3D, maybe infamously.

SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Really?

SPEAKER_04 (24:50):
Yeah.
He's he's like he's like theguy.

SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
Mike Brody.
So he's the kid.
Yeah.
He's he's sure.
Yeah, he's not a that that's Ithink the tagline.
Mike's not a kid anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (25:00):
He's not a kid anymore.
He also was in the right stuff.
Inner space.

SPEAKER_02 (25:05):
Suspect That was a fun movie, Inner Space.

SPEAKER_04 (25:08):
Yeah, I'd I'd totally do that.

SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:11):
Suspect, DOA.
This is just ugh gross story.
Great Balls of Fire.

SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Yeah, that's um turns out he did some not
awesome stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (25:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:23):
Jerry Lee Lewis, I mean.

SPEAKER_04 (25:24):
Cracked.
I mean, I remember even whenthat like when the movie was
new, I was thinking, like, as akid, isn't that kind of gross
that he like married his like13-year-old cousin?
Yeah.
The answer is yes.
That's that's gross.
So he was in Postcards from theEdge.
He was in unfortunately theinferior Wyatt Earp movie called

(25:47):
White Earp.

SPEAKER_02 (25:48):
And he was Doc Holliday.

SPEAKER_04 (25:50):
Yeah, that's tough.
It's real tough.
When and what they came outprobably within a year of each
other?

SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
Yeah, it was really weird.
Like that, that sometimeshappens.
Like we had um like Armageddonand Deep Impact within like a
year of each other, it feltlike.
Yes.
Like sometimes that justhappens.

SPEAKER_04 (26:07):
It it does.
And unfortunately, it's like afar inferior film.
Uh, I don't really care aboutthe film so much, but oh man, do
I love the score fromDragonheart?

SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
You sure do.

SPEAKER_04 (26:17):
I do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's I was actually when I wasdoing the notes, I put it on
while I was putting it together.
It's so gorgeous.
Love it.
He was in The Parent Trap, AnyGiven Sunday, Traffic, The
Rookie, Far From Heaven, The DayAfter Tomorrow, which is like
another world disaster movie.
In Good Company, Smart People.
I think I own that movie, and Idon't even know why.

(26:39):
Why I have that DVD.
I don't remember having anopinion about that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
He was good in uh frequency too.
Like a kind of a time travelish.

SPEAKER_04 (26:48):
I didn't add that one.
That's with um what's his name?

SPEAKER_02 (26:51):
Yeah, the guy that just Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:53):
Yeah.
Same thing.
And he's absolutely tremendousin the thin red line.
He's so good.
He okay, so getting back toDennis Quaid.
He is in the boo 2011 reboot ofFootloose.

SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
But yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:13):
And then I boo.
And then I mentioned at the topof his section that he's lately
done some film, or I'm sorry,TV.
So those shows are Vegas,Goliath, and I heard that this
just got canceled.
Happy Face.
Where I think he plays a serialkiller.
Okay.
Who's in prison?
Okay.
We mentioned him a second ago,Max Found Siddow.

(27:36):
So he is Dr.

SPEAKER_02 (27:37):
Paul Novotny.

SPEAKER_04 (27:40):
I don't know why it's so hard for me to say that.
I'm just gonna call him Doctor.
So Dr.

SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
N.

SPEAKER_04 (27:44):
Unfortunately, he's also passed.
He passed in 2020.
He was an incredible actor.
Actually, the next two guys wereboth incredible actors.

SPEAKER_02 (27:54):
Yeah.
And you would expect a movielike this to have two actors of
their caliber.

SPEAKER_04 (27:59):
I mean, it's it's insane to have both these guys
in this movie.
I'm sorry, it is.

SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
It is no, it is.
That's what makes it so good.

SPEAKER_04 (28:07):
I feel like either him and Christopher Plummer were
just like, yeah, like I justwant to act.
I don't care about like I justlove acting.
I I gotta imagine.
I mean, come on.
I'll just leave it at that.

(28:28):
But so his first credit, well,let's see.
I think his um background wasSwedish, uh, because he did a
ton of stuff with Igmar Bergman.
And his first credit was a 1949film, Only a Mother.
And then, yeah, he was in likeover a dozen Bergman movies, uh,
starting with the Seventh Seal.

(28:49):
He was in Wild Strawberries.
I mean, probably most Americanaudiences.
I I don't I don't want topresume, but like maybe they
first became familiar with himbecause he's in The Exorcist,
where he plays a guy like twicehis age.
Makeup was phenomenal in thatmovie.

SPEAKER_02 (29:06):
It really was because he looked significantly
younger in Dreamscape.

SPEAKER_04 (29:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
Which was like 11 years after The Exorcist.
So they did or they did afantastic job with the makeup.

SPEAKER_04 (29:19):
I mean, as good as I think I've ever seen.
Like usually aging people to theextent like because he was like
um what, maybe 40 in theExorcist, like his real age.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:31):
And they made They made him like 80 or something.

SPEAKER_04 (29:33):
Yeah, he looked like he was in the 70s or 80s, and
his makeup looks so fuckingperfect.

SPEAKER_02 (29:39):
They did almost as good of a job as they did on Sam
Winchester in Supernatural.

SPEAKER_04 (29:46):
I mean, to be fair, like I I don't think they did a
bad job at all on uh Regan, butlike or Reagan, Reagan.
Um, but his makeup is just likespitchbird.

SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
I mean, you knew that they were doing something
with Reagan because that's nothow kids look.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
But they did such a phenomenal job on Sidow that you
wouldn't, you just assumed thathe was that old.
Like you didn't, you didn't knowthat they had even done
anything.

SPEAKER_04 (30:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Very impressive.
He also was in, I know you don'tlike to acknowledge this,
Exorcist 2, a heretic.

SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
I'm so sorry that he was part of that.

SPEAKER_04 (30:25):
I don't really remember the story.
I know I've seen it, but like,was it in flashbacks?
Because he, spoiler, dies in theExorcist.

SPEAKER_02 (30:33):
Well, it probably brought back?

SPEAKER_04 (30:35):
Is it like a demon thing?

SPEAKER_02 (30:36):
I don't, I don't think they bring him back.
Um, so it probably was aflashback.

SPEAKER_04 (30:41):
Uh so he's in Three Days of the Condor, Flash
Garden.

unknown (30:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (30:45):
Conan.
This is what I'm saying.
Like, it's like very similar toum when you're talking about the
composer, like just this likerandom mishmash of like these
highly, highly acclaimed filmsand which Conan was he in?
Uh Conan the Barbarian.

SPEAKER_02 (31:00):
Okay.
That is.
Oh, go ahead.
That I mean, there's there aresome big names in Conan the
Barbarian.

SPEAKER_04 (31:08):
Yeah, but it's not it's not the Seventh Seal.

SPEAKER_02 (31:11):
It's Or the Exorcist, to be fair.
I mean, you got James Earl Jonesin that one though.
Sure.
You know.

SPEAKER_04 (31:17):
Yeah.
No, totally.
He now the last time we broughthim up is because he did Strange
Brew.
Yeah.
And honestly, it's funny becausehe's like It felt very similar.

SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:29):
Yeah.
But he's actually the good guyin this.

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
He is the good guy in this one, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:32):
He, I mean, with some shades of gray, but he's
the good guy.

SPEAKER_02 (31:37):
Yeah.
They're pretty light shades.

SPEAKER_04 (31:39):
Pretty light shades.
You know, they're not.
I mean, he shouldn't havetreated uh what is Dennis
Quaid's character?
Alex.
He shouldn't have treated Alexthat way as a kid.
He's like not a scienceexperiment, but he's not he's
not the baddie that isChristopher Palmer, which it's
immediately like obvious thatChristopher Plummer's the
baddie.

SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
There's like no He basically walks in like Yeah,
I'll be the villain of thismovie.

SPEAKER_04 (32:03):
There's like no ambiguity about him being the
baddie.
Uh, but we're we still have somany cards to get through for
Von Stow.
Um he does Never Say NeverAgain.
Wait, never say never again.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (32:18):
Really?
The uh Bond movie?
Correct.
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (32:21):
He is in Dune, the 8084 was we definitely have to
cover that at some point.
Uh sure.
I'll do it.
Hannah and her sisters.
He gets uh best actor Oscarnomination for Pele the
Conqueror.
He I love I love this, and itmakes total sense.
So he's uncredited, but he isthe voice of Vigo in

(32:43):
Ghostbusters 2.

SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
Oh okay, yeah, that does make sense.

SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
I love that he did that.

SPEAKER_02 (32:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:50):
He was in Awakenings.
I mean so many movies.
Judge Dread.
What Dreams May Come.

SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
Which Judge Dredd was he was in the one with
Stallone, right?
Correct.
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (33:01):
Minority Report, which I do like that movie, but
it's been a minute, so I don'tremember who he was.

SPEAKER_02 (33:08):
Yeah, I can't remember his role, but that was
a really good movie ahead of itstime in in many ways.

SPEAKER_04 (33:14):
Really good movie.
Yeah.
The Diving Bell and theButterfly, Shutter Island.
He gets another Oscar NOM, thistime for Best Supporting Actor,
for Extremely Loud andIncredibly Close.
He is in Star Wars Episode 7.
Yeah.
The Force Awakens.

SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (33:32):
He's in that.
Uh and he did have a credit inGame of Thrones.
His final credit.

SPEAKER_02 (33:39):
He was the uh tree, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_04 (33:40):
Yeah, I believe so.

SPEAKER_02 (33:41):
Yeah.
What was that called?
One-eyed raven or the game.
There you go.
Yeah.
Thank you.
He also played like the uhLeland Gaunt, the I think the
person who ran the store inStephen King's Needful Things,
which was actually a pretty goodadaptation of that book.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:57):
And yeah, his final credit was a film called Echoes
of the Past.
I mean, it just seems like, andthis is very similar to who
we're about to bring up, that hejust loved acting and didn't
really have ego about himselfbecause he could have, he could
have been like, I worked withfucking Igmar Bergman.
I don't need to do Strange Brew,but he did Strange Brew and he

(34:17):
did this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
He didn't have to, but he did, and it was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (34:21):
Yeah, and he's good.

SPEAKER_02 (34:22):
We're we're all the better for having had that
experience because seeing it, itlike makes it so much fun to
watch when you see someone whereyou know that they have these
incredible acting chops, andthen you see a fucking dog eat
or drink like a bunch of beerand start flying.
It's like, yeah, that's that'sthe world that I want to live

(34:43):
in.

SPEAKER_04 (34:43):
Um, I wonder if part of the reason why they cast him
in this role is because theywanted to at least give they
wanted to somewhat have a redherring of like who could be the
baddie because he could kind ofhave that that vibe to him.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
I think I think probably so.
Because like when the red flagis when he was telling Alex like
how he was doing this, why hewas doing this, he was just
like, 'cause it's fuckingexciting.

SPEAKER_04 (35:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
Which is kind of like, oh, I don't I don't know
if I trust that.

SPEAKER_04 (35:15):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 (35:16):
But it is better than like if you ask Christopher
Plummer's character, Blair, andhis answer was because I want to
fucking murder people.

SPEAKER_04 (35:23):
Specifically the president.

SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
Yeah.
Well, just all people, butstarting with well, not starting
with the president.
I guess he's like the second.

SPEAKER_04 (35:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (35:32):
But I and actually now that I'm thinking about it,
like, again, I don't think thatthe doctor was the baddie
because Christopher Plummer isvery clearly the baddie.
But he does blackmail Alex intohelping him by saying he's gonna
get the IRS on his ass if hedoesn't.
So that wasn't cool.

SPEAKER_02 (35:51):
Well, you know what is cool?
Paying your taxes.

SPEAKER_04 (35:55):
Paying your taxes.
Okay, so moving on toChristopher Plummer.
I mean, I love ChristopherPlummer so much.

SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
It it's just funny though, because it's like You
didn't know he was you had noidea that he was in this, right?
I mean, you once you startedlooking up everything.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:11):
I didn't I didn't know so many of these like huge
names were in this movie.
It's just so funny to me becauselike, okay, so he's not like a
baddie, obviously, in the soundof music, but he has such a
commanding presence that thesecond he walks, like like the
second he appears in this movieas like, oh, so he's the bad
guy.

SPEAKER_02 (36:28):
Like it's like not even Yeah, yeah, no, it's true.

SPEAKER_04 (36:32):
Not even a question.
He plays Bob Blair, andunfortunately, he has passed as
well.
He passed a year after VonSidow.
He passed in 2021, and he too,he had an incredible career.
Uh he he had credits well beforethis film, but I think he like
very much came on came oneverybody's radar in the sound

(36:52):
of music.

SPEAKER_03 (36:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:53):
So he is Captain Von Trapp, he's amazing in that
film.
Love him so much.
Uh, some of his other credits, Imean, he had just a great
career.
Oedipus the King.
I added this only because Ithink we've mentioned it before
and it's a funny title.
Lock Up Your Daughtersexclamation point.
He was in The Return of the PinkPanther, The Man Who Would Be

(37:16):
King.
This this film we could do atsome point somewhere in time,
because it's like 1980.

SPEAKER_02 (37:22):
Yeah, I I kind of want to.
Um that's the one withChristopher Reeve.

SPEAKER_04 (37:27):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (37:28):
Right?
Yeah, Seymour.
Yeah, it's like a kind of a timeparadox type of movie.
Yeah, I'd love to do that.

SPEAKER_04 (37:34):
Yeah.
So he's in that.
He had a role in that TVmini-series, The Thornbirds.

SPEAKER_02 (37:41):
Oh God.

SPEAKER_04 (37:42):
So he was in that.

SPEAKER_02 (37:45):
I don't even know what the equivalent, like, what
would the modern day equivalentof something like that?

SPEAKER_04 (37:49):
It really isn't.
Like, I mean, that was likebefore my time, but like I know
that it was like so popular.

SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
It was like very romantic, and so from what I I
never watched it, but like Idon't know how hard you could
push the boundaries of what waslike acceptable on TV, but it
felt like Was the male lead apriest?

SPEAKER_04 (38:10):
Was is that what like it was like a familiar
thing?

SPEAKER_02 (38:13):
Because he was Priest Thornbird?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (38:15):
I don't know.
I have no idea.
Was it like a scarlet letterthing?
Um I didn't I also didn't knowthat Christopher Plummer did
voice work in American Tale.
He actually did voice work acouple times.

SPEAKER_01 (38:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (38:28):
So he also he was in Dragnet.
Um so among his different voiceuh projects, he I think was like
the narrator for a lot of thoseMadeline Adam uh animated
movies.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So he did a ton of that, butthen he also did Malcolm X and
he was in Wolf and TwelveMonkeys, The Insider.

(38:49):
That's a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (38:50):
That real yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (38:51):
That's a really good movie.
He was in Dracula 2000.

SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
Oh well, that's that is probably the worst vampire
movie I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 (39:02):
But it I mean, the trajectory of his career reminds
me so much of An Sidow, wherethey just, you know, like let's
just act, let's just be instuff.

SPEAKER_02 (39:10):
And no, fair, fair.
That one's not even fun badthough.
Like at least at leastDreamscape had some like fun
moments.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:18):
So he also that he bounces back.
He's in a beautiful mind.
He does bounce back.

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (39:25):
Uh I so you know this movie much better than I
do, but he's a nationaltreasure.

SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
Oh, yeah.
I remember is he a baddie?
Uh that I can't remember, but Iremember him in it, but I'm
like, are you bad or good?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (39:37):
He was in Syriana.
He does more voice work in thefilm Up.
He and now very, very, very latein his career, he finally starts
to get some Oscar love.
Thank God.
So he for gets his firstnomination, best supporting
actor.
All his nominations were in bestthe best supporting actor
category.

(39:58):
The first time was for the laststation.
He wins.
He wins best supporting actorfor the film Beginners.
And then he, and I remember thisbeing kind of a big deal because
they had to do a swap out ofactors.
He gets another best supportingactor Oscar nom for all the
money in the world.

SPEAKER_02 (40:16):
I remember that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:18):
If I'm remembering correctly, that's when like the
um what's his name from House ofCards?

SPEAKER_02 (40:24):
Uh oh, is that what happened?

SPEAKER_04 (40:26):
Yeah, that's when that all dropped.
And so they pulled him, Ibelieve, from the film, and then
they had uh Christopher Plummerstep in and get an Oscar
nomination off of it.
And also at the time, I think hewas like, I I think the record
still holds.
He was 88 years old when he wasnominated.

SPEAKER_02 (40:42):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (40:43):
So he and then one of his like one of his final
film uh credits was for thefirst Knives Out film.
But his actual final on-screencredit was for a TV series
called Departure.
All right.
So okay, moving on to yetanother amazing actor who had an
incredible career, Eddie Albert.

(41:04):
So he plays the president.
Do we know his last name?
I know his first name's John.

SPEAKER_02 (41:09):
President John?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (41:11):
Because his wife in the first nightmare just John,
John.
Uh Eddie Albert, he passed in2005.
His first credit was all the wayback in 1936.
Wow.
So he had a very, very longcareer well before this movie
came came along.
So he did I mean, he did a tonof TV, uh, a lot of like

(41:35):
one-offs, two offs.
He did have some like longerstints on different series, but
overall his career was very muchlike a back and forth between
film and television.
So some of his early work, Ilove just the title of this
film, The Dude Goes West.

SPEAKER_01 (41:51):
Wow.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:52):
Cool, right?
He was on a TV series calledLeave It to Larry, not Leave It
to Beaver, Leave It to Larry.
And I think he might have beenLarry.
He gets his first bestsupporting actor Oscar
nomination for Roman Holiday.
I didn't know that beforelooking this up.
He was in the film Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_02 (42:12):
Exclamation point.

SPEAKER_04 (42:13):
Oklahoma, where the wind blows.
I don't.

SPEAKER_02 (42:16):
No, no, keep going.
That was amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (42:18):
I don't know it.
He was in The Sun also Rises.
Uh, some TV work.
So the first was PetticoatJunction.
However, I bet you there's awhole generation of people who
know him as the lead.
Uh, what was it?
Jah Zha Gabor's husband in GreenAcres.

SPEAKER_02 (42:35):
That's where I know him from.
Damn, I was trying to like,like, I know this guy from
something.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (42:40):
Yeah, there you go.
He gets his next, he never won,but he gets his second and last
best supporting actor Oscarnomination for the Heartbreak
Kid.
He was in the 1974 The LongestYard.

SPEAKER_02 (42:54):
I remember him from that too, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:56):
So he's in that.
I will say this for him in thisfilm.
Good hair.

SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:01):
Great hair.
Yeah, great head of hair.
He was in Escape to WitchMountain.

SPEAKER_02 (43:06):
Which one?

SPEAKER_04 (43:07):
Oh, is how many were there?

SPEAKER_02 (43:10):
No, I was just making a joke about the
mountain, like Witch Mountain.

SPEAKER_04 (43:13):
Oh, you do that every time.

SPEAKER_02 (43:14):
But then I realized that there was every time there
was a remake with The Rock.

unknown (43:18):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (43:19):
Of Escape to Witch Mountain, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:20):
Okay.
He was on a TV series calledSwitch.
His final credit was on the TVseries California.
Okay, moving on to like kind ofthe only trick in this movie,
Kate Capshaw.

SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
Well, there was that one lady who died.

SPEAKER_04 (43:36):
Yeah.
No lines.

SPEAKER_02 (43:38):
She's just she just died.

SPEAKER_04 (43:40):
This is a this is a very male-centric film as far as
the characters go.
But we do hate have KateCapshaw.
Yeah, we don't hate her at all.
We love her.
I mean to say hate at all.
I'm gonna say have.
Um I love Kate Capshaw, and Ilove her in this movie.
She plays Dr.
Jane DeVries, and which isfunny.
I went to school with a lot ofDevries.

(44:00):
Uh and yeah, I mean, trickywaters here.

SPEAKER_02 (44:05):
Um They're not even not even that tricky.
It is just bad.
Like Dennis Quaid, Alex doessome muddy waters.
Alex does some fucked up stuffin the scene.

SPEAKER_04 (44:16):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:18):
I mean, oh yeah.
It's and and they play it asromance, and it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (44:28):
When uh okay, so she is like testing his psychic
abilities or warming up hispsychic abilities or whatever,
when it's just like like the theopening of Ghostbusters.
She's got like a card with acolor which is funny because
it's the same year.
Yeah, and Alex has to like tellher what card she's holding.
And then he just says, like,yes, I am attracted to you.

(44:49):
And she kind of like smiles fora second, then she's like, No,
this is serious business.
Not gonna let you play mindgames with me.
Um, so that that's like okay,that that was like stupid and
cheesy, but then like later inthe movie, he asks her out to
dinner and she says no, and hejust kind of like leans in and
kisses her on the lips.

(45:11):
I'm nodding my head, yes, veryhopefully that crossed several
lines.
Correct.
But then like the to really topit off, after she decides not to
go to dinner with him, he goesout drinking, comes back, she
has like passed out asleep onthe couch in her office, and he

(45:33):
just thinks, like, you knowwhat, I'm just gonna go in her
dream, where they proceed tolike get it on in the dream.
I don't even like Iinstinctively know that that is
super wrong, but I don't evenknow how to like dissect that.

SPEAKER_04 (45:46):
Yeah, no, I agree with you, and that was a great
little recap.
And also in that dream, boy,those tidy whitey pants.
He looks like some tight whitepants.

SPEAKER_02 (45:55):
I don't my call to action is whose pants were
tighter, Justin Verlander orDennis Quaid in Dreamscape.

SPEAKER_04 (46:06):
And yeah, I mean, I really like her in this movie,
but it I have very notcomplicated feelings about her
character, but just the dynamicof her relationship with Alex.

SPEAKER_02 (46:18):
Like, I love that after the dream thing happened,
she's like, but it was just adream, so it didn't really
happen, but I am really upset.

SPEAKER_04 (46:24):
Yeah, it's a great way to articulate it.
I mean, he he's it's he tookadvantage of her.

SPEAKER_02 (46:31):
It is very invasive.

SPEAKER_04 (46:32):
Very invasive.
Yeah, yeah.
Which by the way, this might bea great place to say, like, when
we were watching this, I waslike, so this is like the
prequel to Inception.

SPEAKER_02 (46:42):
Like, that's essentially what this is.
I I mean, when I looked up someof that, it seems that Nolan was
more inspired by I can'tremember if it was just the
manga or the actual anime ofsomething called um paprika, I
think, which was where there wasa device that would allow people
to go in and control dreams.
Um, so there were other thingsthat probably inspired it, but

(47:05):
man, it really seemed like theyhit all of the bases in terms of
like going in and like gettingpeople's secrets or And what I
couldn't I mean I asked youabout this when you were
watching, what I couldn'ttotally shake out was so the
person who's like the psychicthat goes into the dream,

(47:26):
they're fully aware that they'rein somebody else's dream.

SPEAKER_04 (47:28):
Yes.
But it didn't seem like theperson who actually was dreaming
was aware that they were dreamthey weren't like lucid
dreaming.

SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
No, he tried to get the president to acknowledge
that he was just in a dream, andthe president's like he kind of
like accepted like, oh cool, butI can't wake up because they
gave me a sedative.

SPEAKER_04 (47:46):
That's true, that's as far as it went.
Yeah.
But like with like Buddy, Idon't think Buddy realized in
the dream, like as soon as theywake up, he knows immediately
that like Alex helped himconquer the monster.

SPEAKER_02 (47:58):
It's like they're fully, but they're fully in the
dream, so they're like actingout their role in the dream, and
then there's this like newperson, which is Alex, but from
the other person's side, they'rejust like still still in that
dream.

SPEAKER_04 (48:13):
Yeah.
Okay.
Kate Caption, you know what?
This because we haven't actuallydone Temple of Doom yet.
I don't know if we will, butyeah, maybe I didn't realize
that so like she hasn't actuallycome up on this podcast as far
as like being featured in afilm.
And I didn't realize that shehas not been acting in like over

(48:36):
20 years.
Oh yeah.
I mean, I think she's a greatactress and would actually like
to see her in more stuff.
But you know, if she comes upagain, probably the next time it
would be for Indiana Jones andthe Temple of Doom.

SPEAKER_02 (48:51):
I suppose, depending on how long we do this, there's
a chance that we would coverBlack Rain.

SPEAKER_04 (48:57):
I don't even have that one listed.

SPEAKER_02 (48:59):
It is a good movie with Michael Douglas, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:01):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (49:02):
Yeah, it's not a bad movie at all.

SPEAKER_04 (49:03):
Well, I was gonna say either Temple of Doom or
Space Camp.

SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
All of them.
We'll just cover all of them.

SPEAKER_04 (49:08):
And then in between those, I didn't even know this.
Maybe I brought it up before.
There's a film called WindyCity.

SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
Hmm, what's that about?

SPEAKER_04 (49:17):
You know, I didn't click in.
I just presumed that it wasabout Chicago, but I don't know.
Uh, she was in How to Make anAmerican Quilt.
I love her in The Love Letter,it's such a good movie.
It's this like quiet little,like kind of character piece.
It's really, really good.
And the reason why it gotabsolutely like just nobody ever

(49:40):
heard of it is because it cameout, I I want to say it came out
like the same weekend as PhantomMenace.
So it's like, well, obviously,nobody's gonna watch that movie.
It's probably it's gonna getburied.

SPEAKER_02 (49:51):
It's probably a better movie than The Phantom
Menace.

unknown (49:54):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (49:54):
Because that's not a real high bar.

SPEAKER_04 (49:56):
Yeah.
No, it's a good, I like it.
And uh, I mean, she's still likevery much with us, um, but her
last credit was in 2002 for a TVmovie called Do East.
All right.
I mean, if people aren'tfamiliar, she's married to
Steven Spielberg.

SPEAKER_02 (50:11):
So well, huh?
I mean, she she could dowhatever she wants then, right?
Yeah.
Like if she wanted to act, shewould probably have an
opportunity.

SPEAKER_04 (50:20):
She would probably have the opportunity.
I feel like she has someconnections.

SPEAKER_02 (50:23):
Although she could this is more like Spielberg
related than Capshaw related,but because you brought him up,
I thought it was like kind ofhilarious that Activision is
trying to like get a movie madefor Call of Duty.

SPEAKER_04 (50:38):
I just read about this.

SPEAKER_02 (50:39):
And Spielberg was like, Yeah, I want to do it.
And Activision's like, uh, youwanted a little bit too much
control, so we're not gonna gowith this.
Uh, what's this Spielberg guy?

SPEAKER_04 (50:48):
I mean, what the fuck are they thinking?

SPEAKER_02 (50:50):
Maybe the guy that made Saving Private Ryan knows a
little bit about making a warmovie.

SPEAKER_04 (50:55):
The the hubris.

SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:56):
You know, to to be like, nah, Spielberg, we're
gonna find someone else.

SPEAKER_02 (51:01):
Wild.
Just what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 (51:05):
Anyway, okay, moving on to David Patrick Kelly, who
plays Tommy Ray Glatman.
And as soon as he said his namein the movie, I was like, he's a
serial killer because nobodycalls themselves by all three
names.
Except.
Except serial killers.

SPEAKER_02 (51:20):
So he's really good at acting like just an unhinged
psychopath.

SPEAKER_04 (51:26):
He's definitely that in this movie.
I mean, he doesn't even try tohide it.

unknown (51:30):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (51:32):
In the first five minutes, it's like, you figured
out yet?
It's me.
I'm the one.
You're gonna have to stop me.

SPEAKER_04 (51:41):
I mean, this film is kind of hilarious in that
regard.
There's no ambiguity as far aslike Plumber's character or this
guy, that they're both like badnudes.

SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
Because the way you're in we're introduced to
Tommy's character because hejust breaks into Alex's room and
starts starts like playing thesaxophone.

SPEAKER_04 (52:03):
Uh and the and the funny thing is is that Alex is
like, do you want to grab abeer?
Like he tries to like be friendswith him, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 (52:12):
Hey, fuck you, buddy.
I'm here for me.

SPEAKER_04 (52:14):
Yeah, it was so so bizarre.
Um, he is still very muchworking, he's been a lot of
stuff.
Yeah.
So you brought him up while wewere watching this because,
like, you again, you know thismovie better than I do, but he's
in the Warriors.

SPEAKER_02 (52:27):
He he's like the guy that basically is responsible
for the Warriors happening.
Like the whole movie is basedoff of like what that character
does.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (52:37):
All right.
He's in 48 Hours, Commando.
So he very much could come upagain in the future.
Wild at Heart.
I remember that this movie,which I'm like, oh, innocent
times, the adventures of FordFairlane, and people were just
like kind of up in arms about itbecause they thought that what's
his name?
He had just such a dirty type ofcomedy.

SPEAKER_02 (52:57):
Andrew Dice Clay, to be fair, was like incredibly
like every ist that you couldlike misogynist, racist, like
all of those things.
Like his comedy was like prettygross.

SPEAKER_04 (53:14):
But it was a shtick, right?

SPEAKER_02 (53:16):
Yeah, the well what was it?
I guess that was his likecharacter, and I don't think his
character in the movie was evenlike a fraction of as like bad
as his stand-up stuff would be.
But I think if people likewatched old stand-up from him
now, they'd be like, oh wow,yeah, that was kind of bad.

SPEAKER_04 (53:38):
I'm just like looking at like what's he what
has he been up to.

SPEAKER_02 (53:42):
But that was his thing.
It was like, you know, uh peoplewould come up with routines that
were like shocking just for likethat shock value, but it was it
was gross.

SPEAKER_04 (53:52):
He was the first stand-up comedian to sell out
Madison Square Garden for twoconsecutive nights.

SPEAKER_02 (53:57):
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
Well done.
Well done.

SPEAKER_04 (54:01):
Yeah.
Okay, so getting back to DavidPatrick Kelly, he also was in
the original uh Twin Peaks TVseries.
He too was in Malcolm X, he wasin Cricklin, The Crow, Flirting
with Disaster.
So this is kind of funny.
He was in the 2005 The YoungLongest Yard.

(54:22):
So both versions of the LongestYard have come up.
Um Eddie Albert was in the otherone.
So he I have not really watchedthese films yet.
He's in John Wick and John Wickchapter two.

SPEAKER_02 (54:34):
I've seen most of John Wick.
I think I've seen the wholething.
Um I mean, it's tough becausehis dog is killed in it.
So I know that you can't.

SPEAKER_04 (54:45):
I don't really want to watch it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:46):
Yeah.
But if you want to if you wantedto see someone like just exact
glorious vengeance for thathalf-that's the whole reason.
Right.
I do know that that's theconceit of the entire The whole
franchise is based off of likesomeone killed this guy's dog
and he will not stop killing.

SPEAKER_04 (55:04):
Yeah.
I'm all about it.

SPEAKER_02 (55:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:06):
Yeah.
So he's in that.
And then more recently, some TVwork, The Blacklist and
Succession.
He had uh like a two-episode arcon that.
Okay.
Lastly, we're going to cover, Imean, his intro into this film,
I'm sorry, it's kind of funny.
George Wend.

SPEAKER_02 (55:22):
It was so like sinister when you see Norm at
the bar.

SPEAKER_04 (55:25):
But it's like Norm.
Yeah.
Norm at a bar trying to looksinister.
He plays, like you said earlier,Charlie Prince.
So he is.
But he's a novelist or ajournalist?
He's a novelist.
Both.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (55:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:39):
And he's trying to get what material for his next
book.

SPEAKER_02 (55:42):
I think so.
I think he's doing research orsomething, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:46):
And I'm sorry to say, uh, of everyone that we've
talked about, George Went haspassed the most recently.
He passed just this year in2025.
But also had an incrediblecareer.
He, I mean, I will get- not thefirst time we brought him up.
But we haven't done house yet,right?
We just watched house.
Wasn't he in Fletch?

(56:07):
Oh, he was in Fletch.

SPEAKER_02 (56:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:08):
I was thinking house.
Because like when I was doinghis credits, I was like, we
haven't, I think we've just wehave talked about house a lot.

SPEAKER_02 (56:15):
Because it's so weird.

SPEAKER_04 (56:16):
It's so because it's so wacky, but we haven't
actually covered house beforethe podcast.
Yeah.
Um, but yes, you're right.
He has come up because ofFletch.
But earlier in his career, so alot of film work.
My bodyguard, he too is insomewhere in time.
Okay.
Yeah.
You just mentioned it.
He's in Fletch.

(56:36):
House, which we should do forour Halloween series, maybe,
maybe next year.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Maybe.
This this podcast might justkeep going because I need to
have the Halloween series everyyear.

SPEAKER_02 (56:48):
We'll just find ways to fill in the gaps between
every year's Halloween.

SPEAKER_04 (56:52):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (56:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (56:53):
Never say die.
So of course, Norm.

SPEAKER_02 (56:58):
Yep.
Norm Peterson.
269 episodes of cheers.

SPEAKER_04 (57:02):
Yeah.
And I think he got, I don'tthink he ever won, but he got a
ton of Emmy nominations off ofit.

SPEAKER_02 (57:07):
His character always just had like the great
one-liners when he would walkin.
Great.

SPEAKER_04 (57:11):
Great delivery.

SPEAKER_02 (57:12):
He It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing milk
bone underwear.

SPEAKER_04 (57:15):
Yeah.
It's a great line.
He he completely embodied thatcharacter so well.
He had a very unfortunatelyshort-lived show of his own, The
George Wentz show.
He was in the film OutsideProvidence.
He was in the original Sabrinathe Teenage Witch.
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (57:32):
With uh just the TV show and Melissa Joan Hart.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:36):
Yeah.
So he was in that one.
This, of course, is kind ofclose to my heart.
He was never credited for it,but he was on SNL a handful of
times.

SPEAKER_02 (57:46):
Oh, the Bears.

SPEAKER_04 (57:47):
As yeah.
One of the super fans.
Bob Swarsky.
The Bears.
So he was on that.
He was on a TV series calledClip.
Later, like some of his latercredits, he was in a film called
Christmas with the Campbells.
This is kind of fun.
A TV series called What the Elf?

SPEAKER_01 (58:04):
I like it.

SPEAKER_04 (58:05):
It's cute.

SPEAKER_01 (58:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:06):
And then his final credit was a TV movie called
Love's Second Act.
All right.
Film synopsis.
A man who can enter andmanipulate people's dreams is
recruited by a government agencyto help cure the president of
the United States of hisnightmares about nuclear war,
but stumbles upon anassassination plot.

SPEAKER_02 (58:29):
That gets us there.

SPEAKER_04 (58:32):
Fucking a lot to have in a single sentence.

SPEAKER_02 (58:37):
That is one sentence.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:40):
One sentence.
And it was I was actuallylaughing as I was typing it.
So I was like, this movie's anhour and a half.
And they like this stuff alljust happened.
It's a quick-paced film.

SPEAKER_02 (58:51):
You know, we didn't we didn't address it yet, but
the reason why Blair,Christopher Plummer's character,
wanted to assassinate thepresident, because the president
had the audacity to go to Genevato try to negotiate an arms
deal.

SPEAKER_04 (59:05):
Yeah, he wanted to stop.

SPEAKER_02 (59:08):
Yeah.
Let's let's get rid of all ofour nuclear weapons.

SPEAKER_04 (59:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:11):
And Blair's like, we have we have to kill this guy.

SPEAKER_04 (59:14):
Because he thought he was like weak.

SPEAKER_02 (59:17):
Yeah.
He thought that that was gonnaresult in like the downfall of
the United States.

SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:22):
So there's there was a lot of uh like Cold War fear
stuff reflected in a lot ofthese types of movies.

SPEAKER_04 (59:31):
Very much so.
I mean, this movie came out theyear that like Reagan was up for
re-election.

SPEAKER_02 (59:37):
How long do you think it'll be before we see
movies that reflect back whatwe're experiencing now?

SPEAKER_04 (59:43):
I I'll tell you this.
I don't want to watch them.
I'm living it.

SPEAKER_02 (59:47):
I don't want to watch They're for sure gonna
happen.

SPEAKER_04 (59:50):
I mean, that often here's the thing though, is that
often during times like this,like the like public
consciousness, it usually doesfilter into horror.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:00):
Yeah, the immediate response will be more like
escape.
Yeah.
But exactly.
There will there's gonna come atime where there are gonna be
movies where you see like piecesof what's happening now
reflected back.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:12):
Yeah.
I mean, you know, in terms of umWorld War II and the like
literal, but like figurativefallout from that, you know,
that's why like in the 1950s andlike Cold War and Nuclear War,
like you're starting to see likeall these like horror films of
like mutated bugs and mutatmutated anything.
Yeah Godzilla.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:33):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:34):
Um so that's how it kind of surfaced in that way.
I mean, by the time we hit the80s, like so many of these films
are can be like I it'sinteresting, like maybe it's
like the higher sophisticationof the audience, where or or
just choices of the filmmakersto just like be a little bit
more on the nose about theseconcerns and these like the

(01:00:56):
anxiety of the of the publicwith with these issues, so yeah,
it will be interesting to seehow that all circles back um
with the times we're living innow.
But I mean, I'm curious.
I already said that this waslike a first watch for me.
Do you remember like outside ofSnake Man?

(01:01:17):
I mean, we didn't really breakup Snake Man.
Snake Man is like the horrorelement of the entire film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:23):
I mean, I thought Snakeman was terrified.
When I when I like that is thething that I remembered from
like seeing this when I was akid.
And when Tommy like picked upthat that was something that
Dennis Quaid was afraid.
I mean, it was scary, but Idon't know if he thought that it
was gonna just like paralyzeAlex when he when he saw it,

(01:01:43):
because that Yeah.
I mean that You see a guy morphinto a giant like snake man,
yeah, it's gonna be disturbing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:51):
It was an interesting choice because for
first of all, I mean, althoughhe didn't really know what he
was getting himself into, I didthink it was very commendable.
Like this the whole save the catelement with Alex's character is
that he immediately wants tohelp Buddy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:08):
As soon as he realizes that this kid is so
terrified.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:10):
He's fully in at that point.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:12):
There's like no hesitation.
Yeah.
Like, even as soon as Janebrings up who Buddy is.
First of all, she's talkingabout all his problems right in
front of Buddy.
Yeah.
He's like, she's like breakingdown how like disturbed this
child is in front of the child.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:26):
He's sitting two feet away in a wheelchair and
she's telling Alex, like, thiskid is absolutely fucked.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:32):
I mean, it's just so bizarre.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:34):
We wish we could help him, but he's probably
dead.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:36):
A lot of like privacy violations.
Um and he should have had hisparent with him, like literally
at all times.
That legislation didn't exist atthat time.
I mean, it's like, where areBuddy's parents?
Anyway, but as soon as she tellsBuddy's story to Alex without
hesitation, first of all, he'slike, Let me talk to him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:55):
And and so he talks to him, and as soon as he gets a
sense of what's going on, heimmediately goes to Dr.
N and is like, I want to go intothis kid's dream.
Like, I do think that that was aawesome part of his character to
show.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:09):
That while he's like a womanizer and a gambler, and
you know, like all those littlethings, that he actually has a
heart that like wants to help umfor somebody that he feels
deserves the help.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:20):
And and to that point, when they go into the
dream, he doesn't have like hemight be scared of Snake Man,
but actually he immediatelyattacks Snake Man as soon as he
sees him.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:31):
At that time, he didn't know that if he died in
the dream, he would die in reallife.
So he was like, Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
I wonder if it would have donedifferently, but um, yeah, so he
immediately attacks Snake Man,and actually Buddy, Buddy's a
little badass because he getsthat axe and he immediately
starts chopping Snake Man 2.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:57):
So he like does the thing that I think uh Will
wished he could have done inStranger Things, where he like
turns and he's like, just goaway, and then instead he gets
like completely overtaken by soI think like this movie is um it
has some like really interestingideas, and I don't know if in

(01:04:19):
part it's just like the thetechnology and the fact like the
limitations at the time.
It doesn't necessarily all cometogether to make like a really
awesome movie, but there'senough there to where I still
have kind of a sense ofnostalgia.
Like I I totally forgot, likethere are some insanely cringy
moments in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:38):
There are in like almost every movie we cover.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:40):
Yeah, like the the dream with the uh guy who's just
anxious about his wife.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:45):
Yes, it it goes that was just like it goes from funny
to offensive really fast.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:50):
Yeah, and it it's just I I wish they just hadn't
done that because if they hadgone from like the dream with
the steel worker to literallyanything else, yeah because it
it so took it out of it beinglike a horror movie or it was
just really weird sequence,yeah.
So that that's like by far myleast favorite.

(01:05:11):
I think if if you just like dropthat out of it, because that
that has no significance at anytime.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:16):
It has no bearing on the story at all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:19):
So I agree with you.
It would have been no, that'sactually a really, really good
point.
They I don't know if somebodysaid you need to have some kind
of comedic relief in this film,but it is very disjointed from
the rest of the story.
Yeah, I'd kind of forgottenabout it because it had no
bearing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:34):
You take that out and you use the time that you
spent on that to tighten up someof the other things, and I think
it would be.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:41):
So, like you don't have to cut that sequence just
like, yeah, fill it withsomething else that actually has
impact on the narrative.
Um and also I will say thatthose like um what were they?
It seemed like nuclear warvictims.
The though they were horrifying.
Yeah, the makeup work on thosepeople were was great.
Um, so those those were veryeffective.

(01:06:05):
I wish I had seen more likehorror elements, but those were
very effective.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:13):
So I presume you would want to watch this movie
again.
Apparently, it's completely forfree, the whole thing on
YouTube, you said.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:19):
We watched it on uh Peacock, but then you can just
like if you if you look upDreamscape on YouTube, you'll
find that people just have it upthere and you can watch the
whole thing.
I don't know how those haven'tbeen taken down.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:31):
Um I mean, it was a fun film.
I'm glad I saw it.
I'm glad I saw it because youobviously have, like you said, a
nostalgia and like affinity forthis film.
So I like watching things where,you know, you love this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:44):
So it had really great ideas.
And if it was going to be remadetoday, then it probably would
just just be called Inception.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:51):
I think it was remade, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:53):
I don't think so.
I think there's a remake of ofDreamscape.
Uh there are a lot of movieslike like this now.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:04):
I think so.
There was I thought I saw thatthere was.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:10):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:11):
Fair enough.
Okay.
I do like I really love the keyart, the poster.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:15):
But it is very similar to like Indiana Jones.
Yeah, it's not it's like kind ofa ripoff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:21):
There's there is a point in the movie where he has
the the torch, yeah.
Where he lights it at thetowards the very end.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:29):
Even the like actually the more I'm looking at
it, it's like literally DennisQuaid is indie, Kate Capshaw is
Kate Capshaw, and Buddy is uhshort round.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:42):
No, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:43):
Like that's exactly what the poster is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:48):
So I already did my call to action.
I would love to know who knowsabout this movie, what they love
or don't love about it.
Like it, if it's like, look,we've had this conversation
before.
We're like, okay, so this is thefirst time seeing it as an
adult.
I'm sure I would maybe feel adifferent way about it had I
seen it as a kid.
Yeah.
So I'm curious about people whohave seen it in childhood versus

(01:08:08):
adulthood.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:09):
I fully respect that it just doesn't hold up.
But when this movie, when Ifirst saw it as a kid, and and
it was like more like in linewith what you'd expect from
effects and like other types offilms, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:24):
Yeah, no, it it was fun.
Again, I'm glad I saw it.
And if it was on, I would watchit again.
But with you, I probablywouldn't be like by myself much.
So if you want to get in touchwith us, we would love to hear
from you.
You can reach out throughFacebook, Instagram, or Blue
Sky.
It is the same handle at allthree.
It is at 80smontage pod and 80sis 80S.

(01:08:46):
Man, we're just flying throughthis Halloween series.
It's going too fast.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:51):
We're already at like the halfway point.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:54):
We're just gonna create a new podcast and call it
80s horror montage.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:58):
I mean, definitely there are podcasts out there,
but don't tempt me.
Uh I don't think you know.
I don't I mean, I have talked toyou about what I don't.
I don't know.
The next one.
I'm really excited to coverthis.
I have seen it, but I haven'tlike really played close
attention to it.
And it's kind of a bonkersmovie, but it's very fun.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:20):
Okay.
Oh, hmm.
Is it critters?

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:23):
No.
No, okay.
But I did debate that one thisyear.
Um, this one, so not this willgive it away.
Not George Romero.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:34):
Uh Day of the Dead.
Dawn of the Day of the TheReturn.
Oh, the return of the LivingDead.
There you go.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:44):
Yeah, I'm very excited to cover this one.
Um Yeah, it's just it's gonna bea like a huge departure tone
tonally from what we justcovered.
Yes.
Um, but I think it'll be reallyfun.
So this one actually why didthis cut name come up?

(01:10:04):
Oh, because we saw somebodynamed David O'Bannon, and I was
like, oh, was that Dan O'Bannon?
Dan O'Bannon was the writer fromAlien, and this is his
directorial debut.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:12):
Oh, nice.
So that's I don't know if I'veseen it.
There are a lot of zombie moviesout there.
I haven't seen them all, butneither have I.
We'll find out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:22):
We'll find out.
So that's what's next on tap.
And in the meantime, thank youto everybody for hanging with
us.
We really appreciate that withall of the podcast choices that
you have, that you are tuninginto ours.
So thank you, and we will talkto you again in two weeks' time.