Escape from New York

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
It was an accident about an hour ago.

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A small jet went down inside NewYork City.
The president was on board.
President of what?
That's not funny, Plissken.
You go in, find the president,bring him out in 24 hours, and
you're a free man.

SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
24 hours, huh?

SPEAKER_00 (00:26):
I'm making you an offer.
Bullshit.
Straight, just like I said.
I'll think about it.
No time.
Give me an answer.

SPEAKER_03 (00:32):
Get a new president.
Hello and welcome to 80s MovieMontage.
This is Derek.

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And this is Anna.

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And that was Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken giving
some pretty good, and I wouldsay possibly timely advice to
Lee Van Cleef as Hawk in 1981'sEscape from New York.

SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
That's right.
But is it, I know that like forthe purposes of IMDb, It's just
called Escape from New York.

SPEAKER_03 (00:58):
It is John Carpenter's

SPEAKER_02 (01:00):
Escape from New York.
Yeah.
I can't remember.
Did they bring it in that way?
I

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think

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so.
In the opening.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because I thought that's like,this is now his thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08):
I just didn't want two possessives in front of the
title.
1981's John Carpenter.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Oh, gotcha.
Okay.
Would have been so

SPEAKER_03 (01:13):
much.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
Nope.
No worries.
No worries.
Yeah.
Were you happy that we finallycovered...

SPEAKER_03 (01:20):
I haven't seen the whole movie, like, from start to
finish in a really long time.
So, yeah.
And that's always, like, thebest opportunity to do so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
And I have never watched the entire thing
through.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32):
Just like me and

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one of the guys.
And I'm not talking about thething.
I'm talking about the filmEscape from New

SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
York.
We got you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
So, yeah.
This was– maybe I've seen bitsand pieces here and there.
Like, I kind of knew who was init and, like, what the general
storyline was.
But, yeah, this was– essentiallya first viewing for me.
So, yeah.
Let's dive in.
Was

SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
it everything you hoped it could be?
It

SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
was really interesting.
For being a relatively shortfilm, it's like under an hour
40, I think, it has reallyinteresting pacing.

UNKNOWN (02:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (02:13):
It feels like there's so much attention being
put into creating thisatmosphere.

SPEAKER_02 (02:18):
Yes.
Kind of like Blade Runner in away, with just really setting up
the world.

SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Yeah.
I mean, interesting that you saythat, because they actually
reused some of what they hadbuilt for this.

SPEAKER_02 (02:29):
Oh, I had no idea, I swear.
For

SPEAKER_03 (02:31):
Blade Runner, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sure we'll get aroundto all those different
interesting parts of the film,but we brought them up just a
few minutes ago.
John Carpenter.
That's the guy.
The other guy, I don't know ifyou're going to know who he is
off the bat, but once you do,it's kind of a fun little trivia
thing.
Really?
Okay.

(02:52):
Yeah.
But as far as John Carpenter isconcerned, familiar name.

SPEAKER_03 (02:56):
We've covered him a couple times.

SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
We have.
I love covering his films.
It's awesome.
He's a great director.
I don't know if he's reallydoing...
a ton nowadays.
But boy, we have a lot to thankhim for in terms of like some of
the really great films that hehas created.

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I

SPEAKER_03 (03:19):
mean, he also, so besides Halloween, the Halloween
franchise, we've covered him forThe Thing

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and

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also They Live, right?

SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
Yes.

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And particularly given the sensibilities behind
him making The Thing, some ofthat did, I think, carry over a
little bit in his portrayal ofwhat was happening in Escape
from New York.

SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
Yeah, I mean, like, Kurt Russell just didn't have to
cut his hair, right?
Because, like, that carriedover.

SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
That as well,

SPEAKER_02 (03:51):
yeah.
They're back-to-back films.
Escape from New York's 81, TheThing's 82.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (03:57):
but I think before Escape from New York, they had
worked on Elvis.

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Sure, okay.

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Which was very different.

SPEAKER_02 (04:03):
I don't know if I actually even...
Have that down.
I

SPEAKER_03 (04:06):
didn't even realize it until I looked at a little
bit of stuff.
Until this very moment.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:10):
Well, as far as like the big hits, strictly speaking,
his writing credits, althoughthey're going to overlap a lot
with his directing credits.
Carpenter, so pretty much likemade his name initially with
Assault on Precinct 13, which IAlso was a film he directed.
Sorry if it's going to be alittle redundant.

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He's one of those amazing guyswho does it all.
He writes, he directs, hecomposes music.
And then, yes, he gets somecachet because of Assault on
Precinct 13.
But then it's Halloween, 1978'sHalloween, that fully puts him
on the map

SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
and

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just kicks off an incredible career.
Although a couple hiccups alongthe way, which I don't feel were
his fault.
But...
I mean, it's kind of...
Or the

SPEAKER_03 (04:58):
hiccups.

SPEAKER_02 (04:58):
The thing.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (05:00):
well, that's ridiculous because

SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
that movie is...
It just wasn't appreciated whenit came out.
But so he follows up Halloweenwith first The Fog, which I'm
sure we will cover at somepoint.
Yeah.
But...
And, you know, he's also one ofthose directors where it's like
you see a ton of familiar faces.
Like in The Fog, we also haveAdrian Barbeau and Tom Atkins.

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So he uses a lot of the sameactors.
It's kind of fun to see kind ofthis revolving group of actors.
of performers and a lot of hiswork.
We covered, because it happensto be the first Halloween film
made in the 80s, probablytechnically like maybe 79, but
Halloween 2, which we did withDavid.

(05:45):
So please go check that one out.
There is no bigger fan of thatfranchise than David.

SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
There is not.

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So that was a super, super fun film to cover with
somebody who's such a huge fanof the franchise.
I

SPEAKER_03 (05:57):
wish that, like, because if I'm remembering
right, Carpenter himself did notwant to even make that

SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
the way that it was.
No, I mean, that's why it's fun.
Yeah, I'm still on his writingcredits.
He and Deborah Hill didn't...
They didn't want...
If there was going to be afranchise, they didn't want the
franchise to go that way.
He wanted the anthology

SPEAKER_03 (06:20):
with the Halloween 3.
Which we are

SPEAKER_02 (06:21):
going to cover.
Because also Tom Atkins.
Yeah.
He basically was like, fine, Iwill do this.
I think this was like, you dothis for us, we do Halloween 3
for you.
So...
I'm sure he got a chunk ofchange for it as well.
But in any case, more writingcredits.

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So I guess the sequel.
Have you seen Escape from L.A.?

SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
I have not because I saw like an image or like a clip
of Snake surfing on like afucking tsunami or something at
one point.
And I'm like, oh, that looks sobad.
And then there's like the clipthat I've seen of him like just–
chucking up like a half-courtbasketball shot at one

SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
point.
Oh, I think you've shown that tome.

SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
So I haven't, but maybe I'll give it a shot.
I've never watched

SPEAKER_02 (07:15):
it.
Yet another sequel that maybe,well, some people maybe would
say shouldn't have happened.
Yeah.
He does have an uncreditedcredit, believe it or not, for
Halloween 3, Season of theWitch.
Oh.
He did.
Now, you like this film, right?
Prince of Darkness?

SPEAKER_03 (07:30):
I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
Why do I keep thinking that?

SPEAKER_03 (07:33):
I do not know.

SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
Because I feel like I say that every time when it
comes up.

SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Maybe.
He

SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
also took a pseudonym for that particular.
He's taken a couple pseudonyms.
For Prince of Darkness, he wroteit under Martin Quartermass.
Okay.
Okay.
And then, yes, when we did TheyLive, which you should totally
check out.
We did with Bob.
He wrote it under the pseudonymFrank Armitage.

SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
Interesting.
Armitage.

SPEAKER_02 (08:00):
Oh, is it...
I thought it was...
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (08:02):
I have no idea.
I just wanted to say it

SPEAKER_02 (08:03):
that way.
You want a little bit moreflair.
Okay, gotcha.
So that was honestly such agreat film to cover.
I really didn't know anythingabout They Live.
That is an incredible film.
There's a lot...
Very timely.

SPEAKER_03 (08:14):
Yeah, again, it

SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
is...
Way ahead of its time.

SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
It is, but to the extent that people can interpret
things one of a couple differentways, it does feel like some
people are...
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel you.
To be so misunderstood.

(08:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
Well...
Moving on.
I mean, moving on.
And of course, you know,Halloween is the franchise that
he's known for.
So he has writing creditsbecause he originated the
material along with Debra Hill.
So Halloween 5, Halloween, Iguess, 6, The Curse of Michael
Myers.
And then I think it's beginningto get more love again.

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I think it was...
kind of dismissed for a while,but H2O.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:18):
That's one of my favorites.
I think it's beginning to kindof come around to people
appreciating it in comedicretrospect because of what's
come out since.
But yeah, I love H2O.
I

SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
don't dislike the newest ones.
They're not my favorites, butthey're fun enough to watch.
They have some great moments,but there are some in the middle
that that are kind of rough andh2o is actually kind of fun to
watch the rob zombie ones i justcan't

SPEAKER_02 (09:44):
oh no i don't even i don't even like that they're so
this is kind of funny to sayabout what's already a horror
franchise yeah they're sodepraved like they're so they're
so nihilistic like it's it's

SPEAKER_03 (09:58):
the wildest thing is that not fun to watch the guy
that made those also made thatYeah, you

SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
sure did.
Yeah, to your point, though,about kind of the middle
Halloween movies, I'm not reallyplugged into the whole Jamie
storyline.
Yeah, isn't there

SPEAKER_03 (10:15):
one with Coolio?

SPEAKER_02 (10:17):
So that is Resurrection, but that's not
Coolio.
No, it's Busta.
It's Busta.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (10:24):
apologies.
Apologies to both Coolio andBusta.

SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
As long as you just skip over the...
the beginning sequence of thatfilm because it's such a lame
send-off for Laurie Strode.
Yeah.
If you skip over that, it's justa dumb horror movie, but I kind
of enjoy it.
I don't actually mindResurrection.
And then, yes, to your point,the latest trilogy, which...

SPEAKER_03 (10:48):
Halloween, Halloween Kills, Halloween Ends?
Correct.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Yeah.
So, which...
The best thing about those isthe remastered soundtrack that
he collaborated, I think, withhis son.
He came back to kind of juice upthe music a little

SPEAKER_03 (11:06):
bit.
The scene of Michael Myers withthe burning house in the
background.

SPEAKER_02 (11:13):
With the music.

SPEAKER_03 (11:15):
Yeah, is one of the best things in the entire
franchise.

SPEAKER_02 (11:19):
Sorry for the lame description, but it's a killer
scene.
Killer scene.
It's fucking metal.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
And then last writing credit forhim, Ghost of Mars.
Okay.
All right.
So the other credited writer, ifI say the name Nick Castle to
you, do you know who that is?

SPEAKER_03 (11:46):
Hmm.
I mean, I'm looking at the IMDb.

SPEAKER_02 (11:48):
That's fine.
So kind of.
D-P-E-F-D.

UNKNOWN (11:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
But still, no, I wouldn't have known.

SPEAKER_02 (11:55):
Okay, but who is he now, now that you do know?
I

SPEAKER_03 (11:58):
mean, now I see that he's the guy that directed The
Last Starfighter.

SPEAKER_02 (12:02):
Yes, he is.
That's a really interestingcredit that he has.
But

SPEAKER_03 (12:05):
I suspect that's not who you...
Oh, wait, is he actual MichaelMyers?
Yes! Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 (12:11):
He's the original Michael Myers.
Wow.
Yeah.
So they just have a friendshipand have...
collaborated on a couple ofthings and he's also done his
own stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (12:22):
Well, I'll talk about this later, but it's good
to be friends or on friendlyterms with John

SPEAKER_02 (12:26):
Carpenter.
Yes.
Turns out.
Yes.
Yeah.
He seems like a pretty cooldude.

SPEAKER_03 (12:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (12:31):
So Nick Castle, now to your point, he directed
Flight of the Navigator.
Yeah.
The reason why I think it's funthat he's part of this film is
because he is the originalMichael Myers.
But as far as writing credits,because that's his contribution
to this particular film, we haveSkatetown, USA, The Boy Who
Could Fly, Tap,

SPEAKER_03 (12:52):
Hook.
I remember when The Boy WhoCould Fly came out and it was
like kind of a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 (12:58):
Who's in that?

SPEAKER_03 (12:59):
I have no idea.
I never even saw it.
I just remember seeing thecommercials thinking like,

SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
nope.
Maybe, I don't know the finerdetails if it was like really a
true collaboration or because hewas part of this film.
He also has a credit for Escapefrom L.A.
Okay.
Like character credit.
Oh, characters, yeah.
He has an uncredited credit fora film called Lockout, which I
am not familiar with.

UNKNOWN (13:20):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (13:20):
But here we go.
There's also a film calledPlissken.
Interesting.
That he is credited for, so.
I

SPEAKER_03 (13:27):
thought he was dead.

SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
Is that like a tagline?
I thought you were dead?

SPEAKER_03 (13:32):
I don't, like, that just seems to be a gag.
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (13:35):
okay, so let's take a second here.

SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
Everyone in the movie is like, everyone knows
who he is.
Yes.
And everyone thought he wasdead.

SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
Yes.
So let's take a second becausewhat we're going to do next is
just go to Carpenter's directingcredits, which is fantastic.
A lot of the same names we'vejust brought up are titles.
Why does everybody know whoSnake Plissken is?

SPEAKER_03 (13:55):
Not sure.

SPEAKER_02 (13:56):
All I know about him, all that they actually
reveal to us is that he was likein the military and he was
extremely proficient at what hedid while he was in the
military.

SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
He was real good.
He

SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
was real good.
Special

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forces.

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And for some unknown reason, he goes rogue.
So to speak.
What he tried to steal somethingis steal money from a bank.

SPEAKER_03 (14:18):
From a federal reserve.
From a federal reserve.
It seemed like Harold was partof that.

SPEAKER_02 (14:24):
Yeah.
Like they had a history.

SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
Like you left.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:27):
And even Hawk.
Am I saying that right?

SPEAKER_03 (14:29):
Hawk.

SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Like he has like this weird kind of like respect
for.
Or like kind of aacknowledgement of who Plissken
is.
But even beyond that, yeah,every single person, even that
one chick who immediately getstaken by the, I was going to say
goonies, by the zombies, thecrazies.

SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
The crazies, yeah.

UNKNOWN (14:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:51):
Essentially act like zombies.
They act like the 28 Days Laterzombies.

SPEAKER_03 (14:57):
They're just wild.
Yeah.
Just waving their arms.

SPEAKER_02 (15:00):
She knows who he is.

SPEAKER_03 (15:01):
Snake Plissken here.

SPEAKER_02 (15:02):
How do they...
Why?
Why do they all know who thisguy is?
It's never explained.

SPEAKER_03 (15:08):
It's not.

SPEAKER_02 (15:09):
You would have expected even the president to
be like, oh, yeah, I know you.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (15:14):
I kind of was expecting even the president to
be like, Snake

SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
Plissken.
Yeah, like...
Why do they all know?
I don't know if that was cut outof this.
I don't know if there was morebackstory that we just didn't
get, but it would have beennice.
I would have actually liked tohave known why they all know who
he is.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
Maybe there's a reason.
Maybe there's not.

SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
Maybe there's not.
So back to Carpenter and hisdirecting credits.
So now his very first featurefilm, not Assault on Precinct
13.
It was a film called Dark Star.
From there he does Bounce toPrecinct 13.
And then again, Halloween, TheFog, Escape from L.A.
He– Wasn't the writer, but hewas the director on the thing.

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So we did that one with Jeff.
Do check that one out.
Like, it's a phenomenal film.
We mentioned a couple minutesago it wasn't received well when
it came out.
Which is

SPEAKER_03 (16:09):
ridiculous.
It is.
I don't get it, but...
I

SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
don't know if it's just something...
It's not probably really correctto say something in the
zeitgeist, but the fact that,like, in the very same year, a
very different alien movie cameout called E.T.
So maybe that's just, like, whatpeople were leaning into at that
point in time, and maybe that'swhy it wasn't appreciated.
But it a tiny bit derailed hiscareer because he was, like, set

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up to direct something else.
I don't remember what it was atthe top of my head.
But, like, that– That's why thatdidn't happen, which is why kind
of as a backup, he then directednext Christine, which we also
did.
Yes,

SPEAKER_03 (16:46):
we did.

SPEAKER_02 (16:46):
Which is a fantastic film.
Go check that one out.

SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
It's a pretty good adaptation of the novel, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (16:51):
Yeah, I really like it.
Yeah.
So he also directs Starman, soveering a little bit away from
what I think he is primarilyknown for.
Gosh, one of the very firstfilms we covered on this show,
Big Trouble in Little China.

SPEAKER_03 (17:06):
That might be one of my favorite movies of his.
Okay.
Honestly, yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (17:11):
it's so good.
Also with Kurt Russell.

SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
Yeah, he is not...
the protagonist, but you're madeto think that he

SPEAKER_02 (17:16):
is.
Kind of just along for the ride,to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 (17:18):
But that's not what Jack Burton is about.

SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
We did that one with Owen.
Please go check that one out.
Although, be kind.
That was like one of our veryfirst episodes.
We didn't exactly have smoothrunning machine yet, if we even
do

SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
now.
Do we now?

SPEAKER_02 (17:33):
He directs Prince of Darkness.
And then as mentioned, theylive.
Oh yeah, I love

SPEAKER_03 (17:38):
that movie.
Just kidding.
I see.

SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
And then he does Memoirs of an Invisible Man, In
the Mouth of Madness, Vampires.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (17:49):
yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:49):
He also directed Ghost of

SPEAKER_03 (17:50):
Mars.
We've never seen JohnCarpenter's Vampires for one
reason.
Yeah.
It rhymes with shmame schmoods.

SPEAKER_02 (18:01):
Yeah, he can fuck off.
Okay.
Cinematography.

UNKNOWN (18:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
We're going to have a lot of familiar names.
Like I said, he likes to workwith the same people.
And why change things up whenyou're working with somebody as
amazing as Dean Cundey?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
I thought I recognized that name.
We've done this long enough nowto where when, you know, and
this is something a little bitmore unique to 80s films where
you just have to suffer throughlike the first five minutes of
opening credits.
And I see the name and I'm like,oh, yeah, I remember that

SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
name.
Yeah, I mean, it is reallyfunny.
That is a very common thing.
note that we have where you'rejust like sitting through two or
three minutes of nothing butlike credits on a black screen

SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
and it's it's definitely not just the because
like you know decades beforethen i'm assuming we're pretty
similar i don't know when itstopped

SPEAKER_02 (18:52):
that's a really great question I guess I would–
I don't know.
I guarantee you somebody outthere has written about it or
done a podcast about it.
I guarantee you.
But you're absolutely right.
I mean it has really changed upbecause even in like– if we're
talking like super early films,like, okay, so let's go back to
like It's a Wonderful Life.

SPEAKER_03 (19:12):
Yeah.
Then it's just like– I'm prettysure it's just someone holding
pages

SPEAKER_02 (19:16):
of credits.
It is a book pages being turned,yes.
And so it had its own thing.
Actually, a really fun openingcredit sequence is To My Man
Godfrey, where it's kind of likethe names are lit up in
high-rise buildings across theNew York skyline.

SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
That is fun.

SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
So they used to have some fun with it.
The 80s, they're just like,whatever.
That's

SPEAKER_03 (19:36):
just too bad, too.
Well, especially for a lot ofthe Carpenter movies, it's just
like, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_02 (19:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
Black screen.
Yeah.
White credits, boom, boom.
Yeah.
Good job.
For like five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
For five minutes.
So Dean Cundey, though, he hashad an amazing career, and we've
had so many beautiful filmsbecause of him.
He definitely has a stake inhorror.
Some of his earlier credits,Satan's Cheerleaders, which I
bring up every time.

SPEAKER_03 (20:07):
Yeah, that title comes up a lot.

SPEAKER_02 (20:09):
Such a fun title.
Yeah.
We need to just watch that atsome point.

SPEAKER_03 (20:13):
We should.

SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
He was the DP for Halloween as well as Halloween
2.
I mean, he and Carpenter havecollaborated a bunch.
So he also was the DP on TheFog.
Another super fun film name,Jaws of Satan.

SPEAKER_03 (20:30):
Jaws of Satan.

SPEAKER_02 (20:31):
Jaws of Satan.

SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
So just taking a small step back.
Sure.
Satan's Cheerleaders is about acheerleading squad that gets
kidnapped by a janitor workingfor Satanists needing a virgin
sacrifice.
But one of the cheerleaders is awitch.

SPEAKER_02 (20:46):
Oh, I actually love that.
Yeah.
I thought you were going to tellme none of the cheerleaders were
virgins.
I thought that was going to bekind of the joke.

SPEAKER_03 (20:55):
Well, one

SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
of them's a witch.
That's actually kind of the jokein Jennifer's body.
Yeah.
Is that she's not actually...
Okay.
Um...
And then also that's actuallykind of a joke in Cabin in the
Woods as well.
Yes.
So.

SPEAKER_03 (21:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:09):
Yeah.
Isn't Sigourney's Weaver linelike we work with what we have?

SPEAKER_02 (21:13):
We work with what we got.
It's really good.
So, okay.
And then Jaws of Satan.
What's Jaws of Satan?

SPEAKER_03 (21:21):
What is it about?
Yes.
Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Is it?
It's not like they can't.
It cannot be about a shark,right?
Like or any shark, sharkadjacent type story.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:32):
Uh, hmm.
Jaws of Satan.
Would it, could it possibly, uh,hmm.
A preacher whose ancestors werecursed by druids battles Satan,
who has taken the form of a hugesnake.

SPEAKER_02 (21:45):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Kind of intrigued, though.

SPEAKER_03 (21:50):
Yeah.
I'd watch that as well.
Also, listen to my new podcastwhere I just read the synopsis
of movies on IMDb.
I think it's going to do reallywell.

SPEAKER_02 (21:58):
So, Cundy, also the DP on The Thing.
He also, although, like,Carpenter wasn't as involved
with this, Halloween 3, Seasonof the Witch.

SPEAKER_03 (22:08):
Why was he not that involved with it if he wanted it
to become more of an anthology?
I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 (22:13):
I don't know.
That's a great question.
I mean, he didn't direct it.
So I don't know.
Maybe the only thing I couldthink of is that that point, I'm
trying to think of, as far astimeline, the thing had already
come out.

SPEAKER_03 (22:31):
He wrote it?

SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
He has a credit for it, but it's uncredited credit.
I don't know if because of...
Okay.
I don't know.
I'm speaking out of turn.
I would have to kind of do alittle bit of a deeper dive on
that.
But Cundi...
Also the DP on Romancing theStone.

SPEAKER_03 (22:52):
That is fun.

SPEAKER_02 (22:53):
Which we did way back in season one with Krishna.
Please go check that one out.
I mean, we've covered him a ton.
We've covered him a lot becausewe've also done Back to the
Future as well as Back to theFuture Part Two.

SPEAKER_03 (23:11):
Which I think is your favorite of the trilogy,
right?

SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
He did three as well.
He did shoot Big Trouble andLittle China.
Yet another film that we...
I mean, okay, so wait.
As far as all the films thatI've listed...
We've literally covered almostevery single one except for two,
which we almost certainly willdo in the future, one sooner
than later, because we are goingto do Halloween 3.

(23:35):
And probably even though it'snot necessarily high on my list
as far as favorite horror films,I'm sure we'll do The Fog.

SPEAKER_03 (23:40):
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 (23:43):
He gets his one and only so far Best Cinematography
Oscar nomination for Who FramedRoger Rabbit, which we also did
with Jonathan.
Go check that out.
Now we come into the 90s, so wecan no longer cover the films
that he did.
But some huge, huge hits.
Death Becomes Her.
Oh, yeah.
You love that one.
I love that movie.
It's great.

(24:04):
He is the DP for Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_03 (24:07):
Welcome to Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_02 (24:08):
Yeah.
So big, big, big, big film.
That's good because

SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
that's one of the things I remember about that
production is that they sparedno expense.

SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
They spared no expense.

SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
He is the DP on Apollo 13.
And then he has come around totelevision.
So he has shot a few episodes ofthe book Above a Fet and The
Mandalorian.
Which one does The Mandaloriancome back?

SPEAKER_03 (24:31):
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
It's been a minute.
Yeah, it has been.
And

SPEAKER_02 (24:35):
it ended with Luke...
Taking away Grogu, right?

SPEAKER_03 (24:40):
No, there was another season after that.
Oh God, I don't even remember.
Where, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:43):
Oh, it's because it wasn't that great.

SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
Yeah, that one episode was like one of the
greatest things

SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
I've seen.
One of the greatest episodes,yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:53):
Just the end of that episode was fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 (24:55):
Yeah, it really was.
All right, music.
Oh, would you look at that?
It's John Carpenter.
Yeah.
So let's just go through thesefairly quickly.
I'd like to maybe spend a littlebit more time on his composing
partner.
Well,

SPEAKER_03 (25:13):
it is John Carpenter's

SPEAKER_02 (25:14):
That's what I was saying.
He did kind of everything.
So Assault on 13, Precinct 13.
I cannot roll that off thetongue very easily.
Hopefully that's the last time Ihave to say it.

SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
Assault on 13.

SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
Yeah, exactly.
Halloween, The Fog, Halloween 2,Escape from L.A., Halloween 3,
Season of the Witch, Christine,Big Trouble in Little China,
Prince of Darkness, They Live inthe Mouth of Madness, Vampires,
Ghost of Mars, the 2022Firestarter.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.

(25:47):
And then also the trilogy, whichI mentioned, which is honestly
probably one of the best thingsabout that final trilogy.
Final as of right now.

SPEAKER_03 (25:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
But on a ton of these movies, Carpenter has a
composing partner.
His name is Alan Haworth.
And, I mean, they do collaborateon a ton, especially like the
Halloween movies.
But he also does his own stuff.

UNKNOWN (26:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (26:13):
But it's all kind of in the John Carpenter world, I
guess you would say.
John Carpenter, the JCU.
Yeah.
Okay.
Called the JCU.
So some of his credits.
So he didn't work on the veryfirst Halloween, but he does
collaborate with Carpenter onHalloween 2 as well as Halloween
3.
He's come up before because alsobetween Halloween 2, he also did

(26:38):
Christine, Big Trouble in LittleChina, They Live.
He also collaborates withCarpenter on Prince of Darkness
and Halloween 4.
Well, let's see.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Back it up.
Back it up.
So Haworth kind of takes over asa four because Carpenter
actually doesn't have a creditfor those middle Halloween
films.

(26:59):
So it's Alan who is credited ascomposing on four and five and
Curse of Michael Myers.
Okay.
And then the last one I have forhim is a film that's called My
Redneck Neighbor.

SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
Chapter one, The Rednecks Are Coming.

SPEAKER_02 (27:14):
Oh, my apologies.
No

SPEAKER_03 (27:16):
worries.

SPEAKER_02 (27:18):
So there you go.
Okay.
Not necessarily a new name, butnot somebody that we've already
talked about three times in thisepisode.
Film editing, Todd C.
Ramsey.

SPEAKER_01 (27:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (27:33):
So interesting credits.
I have all films for him.
He was the guy who cut theoriginal Star Trek, the motion
picture.

SPEAKER_03 (27:42):
There must have been some drugs involved because
you've never seen the first one.
No.
We've all watched the secondone.
Yeah.
together also with the one it'sit's hard to describe just how
different those two movies feelvibe like the vibe is so
different um yeah yeah motionpicture is a whole thing it's an

(28:04):
experience

SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
it's an experience 70s right

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
yes

SPEAKER_02 (28:08):
okay so he cut that he was the editor on the thing
so that's uh as of right now thefirst time we've brought him up
i i don't I don't know ifthere's going to be another
opportunity to talk about Mr.
Ramsey.
He also cut The Exorcist 3,which I know you hate.
No,

SPEAKER_03 (28:27):
I love The Exorcist 3.

SPEAKER_02 (28:28):
Oh, you do love...
I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry.
You do love Exorcist 3.
It is The

SPEAKER_03 (28:34):
Exorcist 2, The Heretic, that I think is
terrible.
But The Exorcist 3, I'm sureI've said this before, actually
is the second novel.
So if you're reading the books,it's more of like a direct
sequel.

SPEAKER_02 (28:46):
Okay.
So how did...
Exorcist 2 ever even come about?

SPEAKER_03 (28:50):
All I can say is it was probably the studio's fault.

SPEAKER_02 (28:55):
Oh, okay.
That's fair.
When in doubt.
So there must have been like, Iguess maybe director's cut of
Exorcist 3 because he hascredits for the Exorcist 3 and
then Exorcist 3 colon Legion.

SPEAKER_03 (29:10):
Which is the name of the book.
Okay.
Which is interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:14):
He also cut Highway to Hell, Game of Death.
The Culling, and then 2021'sUploaded.
Oh, okay.

UNKNOWN (29:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:25):
All right.
Okay.
Now we're at the stars of thefilm.
First of all, we brought themup.
Kurt Russell, Snake Plissken.

SPEAKER_03 (29:34):
Kirk Douglas.

SPEAKER_02 (29:35):
Kirk Douglas.
Insider joke.
Plissken, I've said, I said thisoff the record.
I know you can't take the L outbecause then that makes his last
name kind

SPEAKER_01 (29:48):
of a joke.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:50):
But Plissken, and they all...
It's such a recurrent thing inthe film of calling him by his
last name or him asking him tobe called by his last name,
whatever.
Well, at the end.
At the very

SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
end, yeah.
Yeah, because at the beginninghe's like...
Call me Snake.
Call me Snake.

SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
But Plissken is like...
Am I just weird in thinking it'snot...
A name that easily rolls off thetongue?

SPEAKER_03 (30:13):
You do not like that name.
And I don't know how to judgethat dislike of the name.

SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
Do I just have a hard time saying words?
Probably.
But...
Doesn't roll for me.
But yes, Kurt Russell.
I mean, he's very fun to watch.

SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
So what if I told you that the name was taken from
a real person?

SPEAKER_02 (30:36):
Really?
It was inspired by somebodywho...
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:40):
Carpenter knew someone in high school or a
friend of his suggested someonethat he knew in high school who
was sort of a tough guy who hada large snake tattoo on his
abdomen.
And his last name was Plisskenand went by the nickname Snake.

SPEAKER_02 (30:53):
No way.
Really?
All those things?
Yeah.
Isn't that like, can't you kindof get in trouble for that?
Because if you're...

SPEAKER_03 (30:59):
Carpenter said anyone with a snake tattooed on
them someplace, that's my kindof hero.

SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
Okay.
Sure.
Whatever.
You wanted

SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
to know why?
That's why.
Thank you.
But also, like, yeah, theyprobably had to go through some
process to get that name, tomake sure that name

SPEAKER_02 (31:18):
was okay.
I mean, it's his real name.
Well, Snake isn't his real name.
Identifiers of, like, a snake onhis abdomen.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (31:25):
Kurt Russell, he has had an amazing career.
Not the first time, of course,given everything else we've just
talked about in this episode.
Not the first time we've broughthim up.
I guess it's been a coupleyears, though.
I think maybe the last time wetalked about him was The Thing.
Probably.
Probably.
Yeah.
So working very much up untilthis day, and I have– so, okay.

(31:51):
I somewhat glossed over– he wasa child actor.
He's had a really interesting,like, professional life because
he was a child actor.

SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
He was, and that's why it was, like, getting this
role– Yeah.
Yeah.

(32:23):
They were looking at people likeChuck Norris, Charles Bronson.
No, he's

SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
a good choice.
Yeah, no, he

SPEAKER_03 (32:31):
pitched himself hard because he really wanted to do
this.
And that, I think, was probablyalso why he came up with a patch
to give himself a differentlook.

SPEAKER_02 (32:40):
No, that's really interesting.
Because also, he was this...
Oh, really?
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (33:11):
That's

SPEAKER_02 (33:12):
–

SPEAKER_03 (33:12):
That world.
Super interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (33:13):
Yeah.
And it just didn't happen.
And so he kind of reverted backto acting, which lucky for us

SPEAKER_03 (33:19):
– What a shame.

SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
But you know what?
I can kind of– I don't know.
I mean, I guess it all is likecoulda, shoulda, woulda or
whatever.
But like whatever his talentmight have been, he probably
would have been a reallycharismatic athlete as well.
Yeah.
But he's a great actor.
Some of the credits I have forhim when he was much younger– A
lot of TV.
He was on a show called TheTravels of Jamie McPheeters.

(33:43):
Okay.
Did that.
A TV series called The Quest.
And then now we are getting intothe 80s, so we're bumping ahead
a little bit.
I have all films for him untilvery, very recently again.
So he was in the film Used Cars.
Yeah.
This breaks my heart.

(34:04):
He was the voice of Copper inThe Fox and the Hound.

SPEAKER_03 (34:07):
Oh, my God.
I

SPEAKER_02 (34:09):
can't ever watch that movie again.
But he's in that.
As mentioned, The Thing.
Silkwood.
I don't think I want to watchthat either.
Silkwood.
That's kind of heavy.
It's a heavy film.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
They literally name a shower after that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (34:21):
Almost anything that has Meryl Streep in it in the
80s is probably

SPEAKER_03 (34:26):
like

SPEAKER_02 (34:26):
real tough to get through.

UNKNOWN (34:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:29):
I don't need this in my day today.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:33):
But a good film nonetheless.
Yeah.
I don't know if we're ever goingto do this one.
Overboard.
I...
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
I know

SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
I'm being incredibly like...
Like I am not...
There's no fair playing fieldhere as far as like films that I
won't cover because of beingproblematic.
But...
I don't know if I– I just maybedraw the line on completely
duping somebody who's lost theirmemory and basically like

(35:03):
indenturing them into yourfamily, saying that they're the
mother of these kids, sleepingwith her under false pretenses.

SPEAKER_03 (35:10):
That

SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
all happens, yeah.
It's not great.

SPEAKER_03 (35:15):
I have a friend who for some reason has probably
seen that well over 100 times.

UNKNOWN (35:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:20):
Mostly because at the time, like when we were
younger, his mom was ahairdresser and the shop that
she worked out of was right nextdoor to like a video rental
place.
And they just always had it on.
Like whenever I'd stop, I'd stopby, we'd go somewhere.
Like it was just, it was alwayson.

SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
I am not one to judge having a movie on repeat,
but that's an interesting one tohave.
He was in Tango and Cash withStallone.
We can cover that.
We could.
Yeah.
Stallone is somebody who's alsonot on my favorite list.
Well,

SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
what better forum for us to talk and just shit on
them for an

SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
hour?
Sure, sure.
So now we're moving into the90s.
He's in Backdraft.
Oh my goodness.
So good.
And Tombstone.

SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
He's a good Wyatt Earp, but...
it doesn't matter because of ValKilmer.
Of course.
As Doc Holliday, it justoutshines like, almost every
other performance in that movie,but

SPEAKER_02 (36:25):
he was great.

(36:50):
Arguably not to like throw shadeat whoever is the credited
director.
Apparently, like, I'm sure Ibrought this up last time we
talked about it.
Russell essentially directedthat film because the director
wasn't really directing.
So, so he, thank God.
It's a great film.
He apparently uncredited creditfor Kind of circling back to

(37:14):
something you said a coupleminutes ago, he was the voice of
Elvis in Forrest Gump.

SPEAKER_03 (37:18):
So did they just use the footage from his Elvis
movie?

SPEAKER_02 (37:25):
Well, Elvis stays at Forrest's

SPEAKER_03 (37:30):
mom's

SPEAKER_02 (37:31):
boarding house.

SPEAKER_03 (37:32):
So that's just him

SPEAKER_02 (37:32):
doing the voice.
It's him teaching Forrest how todance.

SPEAKER_03 (37:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (37:36):
Or rather...
He's, like, strumming hisguitar.
Forrest does his own kind ofinteresting mode of dance
because he's wearing the legbraces.
Yes.
And then so the joke is thatElvis was inspired by the way he
danced, and that's how Elvis gothis dance moves.
That's

SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
so interesting because—and I'm going to bring
this up now.
The fact that his character inthis movie, Snake Plissken, was
very much, like, that— The movieEscape from New York and the
snake character were big partsof the inspiration for a video
game series called Metal Gear,directed by Hideo Kojima, who

(38:17):
John Carpenter knew and wasfriends with.
And it was so heavily based,like there's one Metal Gear
Solid where...
It's a guy that kind of lookslike him with a patch.
And his nickname, his codenameis Snake.
And at one point, he goesundercover with the codename
Plissken.
And people were trying toencourage Carpenter to, like,

(38:39):
sue because of this.
And he's like, no, I know thisguy.
He's a good guy.
I like him.
They also tried to get Russellto do the voice of him,

SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
of the character in the game.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (38:50):
But he...
I think he just wanted to domovie.
Particularly back then, I don'tthink there was the same, like,
no, I don't want to do a videogame.
But part of his response wasthat he works for these
characters, he builds up toperform, and then it's over.
So it's interesting that he didthis Elvis thing in the late 70s

(39:11):
and then did it again forForrest Gump.

SPEAKER_02 (39:13):
Well, I'm also, I'm not super familiar with the
film, but is he Elvis in 3,000Miles to Graceland?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (39:19):
But it's kind of like a character.
It's like an Elvis impersonator.
Got it.
Okay.
So he can't escape Elvis,apparently.

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
He also can't escape L.A.
Or can he?
Because he comes back.
Do you like my segue?
That was

SPEAKER_03 (39:30):
amazing.
That was so good.

SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
He's in Escape.
Of course, he reprises his rolein Escape from L.A.
Also a film I really.
Do we own it?
I think we do own it.
Stargate.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's in that.
That's a good one.
I wonder how many people knowabout Stargate.
I feel like it's kind of underthe radar.

SPEAKER_03 (39:49):
Well, I think people know about it because it was a
pretty long-running series.

SPEAKER_02 (39:55):
Is it the same world?
It's the same, did the filmprecede the TV series?
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
Yeah, but there's

SPEAKER_02 (40:01):
been like a- But it's based off the film.

SPEAKER_03 (40:02):
Based off the film, yeah.
Okay.
There's like a long runningStargate

SPEAKER_02 (40:05):
series.
But none of the people, like himand James Spader are not part of
it.

SPEAKER_03 (40:08):
I don't think any of the same people are in it.
Okay, gotcha.
It's one of those series.
Got it.

SPEAKER_02 (40:12):
So he's in that, moving right along.
Oh my God, this was so cringeythe other night, where they
interspersed Cuts of Miraclewith Four Nations.
Oh my God, yeah.
That was so cringed.
That was stupid.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (40:28):
One, it's not the Olympics.
It's not the Olympics.
It was fantastic.
For anyone who has no idea whatwe're talking about, we're
talking about the Four NationsFace-Off, which was the NHL's
solution to an all-star weekendthat no one really was
interested anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (40:43):
Canada, Finland, Sweden, and the United States.

SPEAKER_03 (40:46):
Yep.
And they had maybe a week and ahalf, two-week tournament.
And...
it just blew up.
It became like huge.
People were going crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (40:56):
Kind of weird, but sure.

SPEAKER_03 (40:58):
But it was a lot of fun.
And then they take place aroundthe same time as the NBA
All-Star Game.
Everyone's like, this isbullshit.

SPEAKER_02 (41:05):
But I'll just say when it was the final, which was
between Canada and USA.

SPEAKER_03 (41:10):
There was like an intermission portion.
Yeah.
Where they were like showingclips of him and then just all
the players were Like, actuallyin the locker

SPEAKER_02 (41:19):
room.
Probably listening to the realcoach.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (41:24):
But they all kind of looked like, what?

SPEAKER_02 (41:25):
Yeah, it just

SPEAKER_03 (41:26):
didn't work.
It did

SPEAKER_02 (41:27):
not work.
It did not work for me.
No.
Okay, anyway, moving on with hisfilmography.
So, Rodriguez's films, I think,and also Tarantino, right?
Because didn't they kind of worktogether on Grindhouse and Death
Proof?

SPEAKER_03 (41:40):
And The Hateful Eight?
Wasn't

SPEAKER_02 (41:42):
he in that?
Yes, I have that one as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, and then...
God damn it.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(42:14):
The first letter.
That's why it makes sense.
That's why I understood why thathappened.
But

SPEAKER_03 (42:19):
it's Kirk versus Kurt, right?
Correct.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:22):
You get the K and the R.
But that film is...
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (42:27):
Bone Tomhawk.
Yeah.
And I recommend that everyoneavoids this and do not watch it.
Or if you're going to watch it,when they get caught, just
assume that the movie's over anddon't watch any more of it.
Because...
You're about to see a guy heldupside down and split open with
a tomahawk, and it's not fun.

SPEAKER_02 (42:45):
Yeah, I don't need to watch it.

SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
I'm going to go back in his timeline just to give a
shout out to Breakdown.
Oh, okay.
Which I thought was surprisinglynot fun, because it's about a
guy who's on a trip, I think,with his wife, and they stop to
get some food or gas, and she'sjust gone.
Oh.
She disappears.

(43:08):
And the whole movie is himtrying to convince people that
she didn't just leave him andhim trying to find who abducted
her.

SPEAKER_02 (43:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
But I thought it was a good movie.

SPEAKER_02 (43:19):
Okay.
Well, also more recently, he wasin Guardians of the Galaxy 2 as
Star-Lord.
That's his nickname, right?

SPEAKER_03 (43:31):
Star-Lord is...
Yeah.
Is Chris Pratt.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:35):
And...
And Kurt Russell is his father.
He's a god.
His name's Ego, right?

SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
He is a god who...
It's kind of like a Zeus thing.

SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
It is like a Zeus.
It's exactly a Zeus thing.
It is a Zeus thing.
Yeah, it's exactly Zeus.
And so he is his father, and...
He's in that movie.
He's in that.
Fun, more recent, like on ourrevolving list of films, usually
around the holidays, theChristmas Chronicles.

(44:06):
He then returns for part twowith Goldie Hawn as Mrs.
Claus.
That's kind of cute.
He's in Once Upon a Time inHollywood, F9, The Fast Saga.
And then I mentioned that he'skind of come right back to
television.
So more recently, he's been on ashow called Monarch.
Legacy of Monsters.

SPEAKER_03 (44:26):
Oh, Monarch.
Yeah, Monarch is like, it's likeGodzilla, King Kong.
Monarch is the organization thatwas like the monster, the big
kaiju monster people.

SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
Yeah, I'd be kind of interested in that.

SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
Okay, moving on to another actor that you really
like.
There is more than one actor inthis movie.
Yeah, I know we covered Russellreally ridiculously a long time.
I'm sorry.
Sorry out there.
Lee Van Cleef.

SPEAKER_03 (44:51):
Yeah, I do like him.
He's, I mean- He is mostmemorable for me in the– it's
like the Spaghetti Western

SPEAKER_02 (45:01):
trilogy.
He's in two of the three.

SPEAKER_03 (45:02):
He's not in all three.
So he's in For a Few DollarsMore and The Good, the Bad, and
the Ugly.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (45:10):
So that's how I know him through you.
I'm sad to say I didn't– Iwasn't– and I'm still really not
familiar with a lot of his work.
Those movies aren't exactly mymovies, but you love them.
I mean, it's incredible that hisvery first credit was High Noon.
Wow.
That's insane.
Gary Cooper, Grace Kelly.

(45:32):
I mean, come on, man.
And you can see very much a kindof a theme to his work.
He's like in a lot of Westerns.
He has that look to him.
He has that kind of stature tohim.
So he's also in– I have– well,he did actually do a ton of TV,
but I have all– Films creditedfor him.

(45:54):
He was in Gunfight at the O.K.
Corral.
So that's White Earp, right?

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Yeah.
That's what that fight was.
I mean, yeah.
That was it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:01):
The man who shot Liberty Valance.
Here you go.
So he was in it for a fewdollars more as well as the
good, the bad, and the ugly.
But different characterscracked.
I believe so.
Okay.
Yeah.
I watched.
It must have been for a fewdollars more.
That end scene where I'm justlike, oh, my God.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:19):
They stretch it out a bit.

SPEAKER_02 (46:21):
Do they?

SPEAKER_03 (46:21):
I mean, they do in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly,
too.
Sure.
But they don't have the, there'slike the little pocket music
box.

SPEAKER_02 (46:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (46:32):
Like, so when the music ends.

SPEAKER_02 (46:34):
But it's like, you don't know it's ending.
Is it just ending?
Yes.
Is it just slowing down?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:39):
I don't know.
Does it matter?
Is there going to be like apenalty if you shoot?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (46:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:44):
A lot of good questions.

SPEAKER_02 (46:45):
He was also in, because he's no longer with us,
but Death Rides a Horse, TheMagnificent Seven Ride! And then
his final credit was Thieves ofFortune.
Okay.
Okay.
I feel so bad.
I feel like he got shortchangedas well.
Ernest Borgnine.
Borgnine.

SPEAKER_03 (47:03):
He got shortchanged.
In this film.
Borgnine did?

SPEAKER_02 (47:07):
I kind of feel he did.
Why

SPEAKER_03 (47:09):
do you think that?
I

SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
don't know.
I just think he

SPEAKER_03 (47:12):
could have.

SPEAKER_02 (47:13):
It's a pretty short film.
They could have fleshed it out alittle bit.
That's what's so interestingabout this film.
There is no subplot, really.
There's no other.
It is just us following Snake.

SPEAKER_03 (47:24):
Yeah, I guess the only subplot, if there is one,
was the tape.
Sure.
Sure.
But that's, you know, we're notreally sure.
It is

SPEAKER_02 (47:33):
as streamlined a plot as any film I've seen.

SPEAKER_03 (47:38):
Well, I will say one thing for Borgnine's character
and not making it through to theend of the movie.
He made the fatal mistake ofsaying, I thought you were dead.
Because every character in thismovie that says that dies.

SPEAKER_02 (47:50):
Okay.
Interesting.
Doesn't explain it, but

SPEAKER_03 (47:55):
fun

SPEAKER_02 (47:55):
fact.
Falk does not say that to him?

SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
Nope.

SPEAKER_02 (47:59):
Okay.
All right.
Well, so he's credited in thisfilm as cabby.
He brings a much neededlightness to the film.
I don't know what he could havedone to have gotten into that
prison, but yeah, I don't have aclue.

(48:19):
It

SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
sounds like he said he'd been driving cabs around.
Yeah, so that's That's before.
Yes.
So did he just like stay?

SPEAKER_02 (48:27):
That's actually a great question.
Maybe he's not a prisoner.
Maybe he just.
Why are you here?
Decided to stay.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's bizarre.
So he had an amazing career.
He is also no longer with us.
A couple of these stories.
Actors are not.
Over 200 credits over hiscareer.
So I have mostly filmed some TVfor him.

(48:50):
Earlier in his career, he did aTV show called Captain Video and
his Video Rangers.
Damn, that sounds fuckingawesome.
Yeah.
I know him mostly from From Hereto Eternity.
He was a Oscar winning actor.
He won Best Actor for Marty.
Oh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he was in that.
McHale's Navy.

(49:11):
And then I guess similar toStargate.
So they had the film and thenthey kicked off a TV series,
McHale's Navy, which he was partof as well.

SPEAKER_03 (49:18):
Yes.
And then they made another moviewith Tim Curry.

SPEAKER_02 (49:22):
That was with Tim Curry?

SPEAKER_03 (49:23):
He was in that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:24):
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, I vaguely remember that.
He was in, I mean, a ton of justhuge films.
The Dirty Dozen, The Wild Bunch,Willard, The Poseidon Adventure.
There's a TV series, Airwolf.

SPEAKER_03 (49:38):
Oh, my God, Airwolf.

SPEAKER_02 (49:39):
He was in All Dogs Go to Heaven Part II.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
Because he actually, he musthave made an appearance.
He is in the 1997 McHale's Navymovie.

SPEAKER_03 (49:50):
Oh, okay.
That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 (49:51):
I don't know if it's the same character.
Sometimes it's just like alittle fun cameo.
He was in Gattaca.

SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (49:57):
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I have seen that.
Gattaca! I've seen the film, butit's been a minute, so I don't
know who he is

SPEAKER_03 (50:08):
in it.
Yeah, I can't think of who hewould have...
Been in that.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (50:12):
He had some fun credits towards the end of his
career because he was inBasketball.
He did that.
Strange Wilderness.

SPEAKER_03 (50:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (50:20):
Snatched.
And then his final credit wasVoice Work.
It was for the TV seriesSpongebob Squarepants.

SPEAKER_03 (50:28):
Really?
Really.
How many episodes was he in?

SPEAKER_02 (50:32):
I do not

SPEAKER_03 (50:33):
know.
I don't

SPEAKER_02 (50:35):
even know if it was longstanding, but it's just his
final credit.

SPEAKER_03 (50:37):
Okay.
Looks like he was the MermaidMan.
I have no idea how many, oh,maybe 15 episodes.
Okay.
But still, that's cool.
Yeah.
I never got that show.

SPEAKER_02 (50:48):
All right.
Moving on to the PresidentDonald I maybe would like to
have.
Donald Pleasance.
So he is the president- In thisfilm...
You know what's funny?
The last time we brought him up,he had 242 acting credits.

(51:09):
Somehow they have bumped thatup, even though he hasn't been
with us for a while, to 244.
Okay.
So, yeah.
Don't know what happened there.
They came across some lostfootage of him or something.
But he...
So basically, completelyseparate from...
Any of the characters in thefilm, which I feel like nowadays

(51:31):
there would have been someconnection, but some
organization hijacks Air ForceOne.

SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (51:40):
And they are going to intentionally crash the plane
with the president on it, ofcourse.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
It's not really the paperwork,right?
Because you would think, oh,it's like the nuke codes.

SPEAKER_03 (51:56):
There's a tape and I don't know if they're...
I'd have to maybe watch throughagain or read up on the contents
of the tape.
It seemed like it waspotentially for purposes of
energy, like a world energysolution kind of thing.
And they're in a war at the timethat this movie takes place.

(52:19):
I mean, Snake just like...
says, well, you seem kind oflike an asshole as president, so
I'm going to destroy this tape.
No idea on what impact that hason the rest of the world.
I

SPEAKER_02 (52:28):
mean, I think that...
Maybe we

SPEAKER_03 (52:29):
find out in the sequel.

SPEAKER_02 (52:30):
I think that might tie back to the beginning
because doesn't Hawk sayeffectively to him, like, I know
you don't care.
Yeah.
And so I think that justproves...
He's like, I sure don't.
Yeah, I think he just proves outhis point is that, yeah, he
doesn't care.
So as president, I mean...
To me, it's so funny that, like,I think it's pretty well

(52:51):
documented that when Pleasencewas part of the original
Halloween, he was not having agood time.
And he was, like, quitedismissive of Carpenter.
But somehow he came around.
Yeah, he's in a lot of those.
He's in a ton of his stuff.
And not only is he in this film,but he...
has to do some of the mostridiculous stuff, like wear a

(53:12):
blonde wig at one point.
He's

SPEAKER_03 (53:14):
just tortured the whole movie, basically.
Yes, the whole time.
And I

SPEAKER_02 (53:18):
mean, the fact that he was game to do it, I think is
kind of fun because he's justdragged around and just, anyway.
So yes, Pleasance, he...
I feel like he has like a littlebit of a similar trajectory to
Alec Guinness where he had thislike really kind of respected
career and then gets a littlebit older and then gets pulled

(53:40):
into these types of films.
But I think that he is extremelybeloved because of it.
So in any case, and as far asGuinness is concerned, I was
referring to like Star Wars, ofcourse.

SPEAKER_03 (53:52):
Which he famously was like, I don't even really
like

SPEAKER_02 (53:54):
this.
Yeah.
Very same kind of attitude.
Like I'm better than this.

SPEAKER_03 (53:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:58):
So as far as Pleasance is concerned, some of
his credits going like all theway back to the 50s.
So 1956, he was in the film1984.
Okay.
He was in the 1958 A Tale of TwoCities.
I love the name of this film.
No Place Like Homicide.
Nice.
The Great Escape.

(54:19):
The Greatest Story Ever Told.

SPEAKER_03 (54:21):
That sounds like an amazing story.

SPEAKER_02 (54:23):
It's got a lot to live up to.
Yes.
Is this James Bond, You OnlyLive Twice?

SPEAKER_03 (54:30):
Yes, it is.
He was Blofeld, right?
You tell me.
Well, you tell me.
You tell me.
What year was that?

SPEAKER_02 (54:38):
I don't know.
What the hell's going on?
60s?

SPEAKER_03 (54:42):
Okay.
Yeah, he was Blofeld.

SPEAKER_02 (54:47):
Is that Sean Connery

SPEAKER_03 (54:48):
Bond?
Yes, it was.
And that was like their archenemy kind of guy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:58):
He's the baddie.
Mm-hmm.
Got it.
I could see that.
This is interesting.
I have seen this, but I don'tthink I've seen it since film
school.
We did watch THX 1138, and he'sin it, but I don't remember who.
He is in Escape to WitchMountain, the last tycoon.

(55:18):
Escape to Witch Mountain?
Yeah, which one?
Oh, Derek.
Oh, man.
You got me.
Such a...
Sucker.
He was in Oh God, SergeantPepper's Lonely Hearts Club
Band.
Really?
It's a fucking mouthful.
Of course, of course, of course.
Like I was saying, a wholegeneration knows him and loves

(55:40):
him as Dr.
Loomis from Halloween andHalloween 2.
Now, he comes back.
That's not the end of his workon Halloween.
But in between those, he doesPrince of Darkness.

UNKNOWN (55:53):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
So in a different Carpenter film.
And then he comes back.
So he is part of the whole Jamiestoryline.

SPEAKER_01 (56:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (56:01):
So he's in 4, 5, and 6.
I think by the time 6 camearound, I think he was quite
ill.
So I think that was towards theend of his career.
But he's fun.
It's fun to see him in thisfilm.
He's great.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:16):
Yeah, like at the end.
So I mentioned he was torturedthroughout much of the film.
Yeah.
The Duke, like, you're the Duke.
The Duke is Abe.
Oh, my God.
So at the end, when he, like,kind of, like, stops Kurt
Russell from getting pulled upthe wall.
Just so he could.
Just as bait, I think, so theDuke would have his attention on
him so that he could justunload.

(56:38):
And just light up the Duke whilehe's just screaming

SPEAKER_02 (56:41):
at him.
I hope he had fun.
Yeah.
I hope he had fun filming that.
It looked like he had fun.

SPEAKER_03 (56:45):
That's the moment where we're like, maybe this
guy's okay.
Yes.
And then when he's gettingcleaned up and he's shaving
before this super importantpress thing that was the reason
for the time limitation.
And Snake asks him abouteveryone who died trying to
rescue him.

SPEAKER_01 (57:04):
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (57:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:05):
I think that was the moment where he's like, I'm not
giving you the real tape.
That's the moment where herealized you fucking suck.

SPEAKER_02 (57:15):
Maybe not as much as other presidents suck, but...
I

SPEAKER_03 (57:19):
would take Donald Pleasance's fucking corpse as
president right now if that waspossible.

SPEAKER_02 (57:26):
So moving on to Isaac Hayes, who does play the
Duke.

SPEAKER_03 (57:32):
He is the Duke.
He's a number one.

SPEAKER_02 (57:33):
Yes.
He is a fun character to have inthere, although I feel like we
don't get a lot of, like, howdid he get set up to be the guy
who kind of runs the show in theprison?
And, I mean, he has a fabulouscar.
Oh, my

SPEAKER_03 (57:49):
God.
The chandeliers on the front ofthe car.

SPEAKER_02 (57:51):
Amazing.
I

SPEAKER_03 (57:52):
love it.

SPEAKER_02 (57:53):
I love it.
So it's extremely fun to havehis character be part of this.
I just wish that we had a littlebit more to kind of understand
how that all came to be.
We don't cover his right handman, but he has a lot of like
devotees.
Yes.
That for whatever reason, followwhatever he says.

(58:16):
And as far as Hayes isconcerned, so he actually did a
lot more acting than I everthought he did.
I knew him primarily for hismusic because he is an Oscar
winner.
winner for best music originalsong for what movie do you think
it was

SPEAKER_03 (58:39):
hmm i'm probably not going to get you are yeah
because it's shaft

SPEAKER_02 (58:46):
it is shaft yeah yes so he won best original song and
then he was also nominated forthe same film

SPEAKER_03 (58:52):
i wasn't sure which one you were talking about and
then i realized you're justtalking about shaft

SPEAKER_02 (58:55):
yeah yeah yeah um he was also nominated for best
score But as far as acting,because that is his contribution
to this film, yeah, a lot moreacting than I ever, ever knew.
So he was in Tough Guys, I'mGonna Get You, Sucka.

SPEAKER_03 (59:11):
That's what I remember him from.
It's so ridiculous.
That's like a Wayans Brothersmovie.
It is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 (59:18):
That family, man.
They got crazy talent.
It's wild.

UNKNOWN (59:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:23):
He was in Prime Target, Final Judgment.
I mean, maybe not all these arelike any of those movies, but
acting on Impulse.
He was in Robin Hood Men inTights.
Okay.
Yeah, he's in that.
Deadly Exposure.
It Could Happen to You.
Flipper.
Okay.
He was in Flipper.
So there is an unconfirmed...

(59:46):
So we have had our...
A handful of like uncreditedcredits that we mention from
time to time, almost in everyepisode.
I don't know if I've ever seenan unconfirmed credit.
Unconfirmed?
It's uncredited and unconfirmedthat he is in Escape from L.A.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:02):
Hmm.
Well, I mean...

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:05):
It has to be like a background character or
something like that.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:08):
the dude

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:09):
definitely dies.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's like, no,I...
I don't want to cause anyconfusion because I think it has
been confirmed that in some way,shape or form, Matthew Lillard
is going to be part of the nextScream.
But there's been like, oh,people have pointed him out, I
think, in a previous Scream filmor something like that, like as
a background actor, even thoughthat

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:29):
character's dead.
I'm surprised they put that upon IMDb.
That's like

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:34):
unconfirmed

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:35):
and uncredited.
It's like just someone said,

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:37):
like, I saw it.
I thought I saw him.
So there's that.
Blues Brothers 2000.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:42):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:43):
Reindeer Games, Hustle and Flow.
And then I think there'sprobably a whole group of people
who know him from South Park.
As Chef.
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:54):
135 episodes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he did that TV series.
And then his final credit,Return to Sleepaway Camp.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
Wow.
So, okay.
Okay.
Gosh, it makes me really sadthat all these– so many people
have passed from this film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
Harry Dean Stanton.
So you brought him up earlier.
He is Harold–

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:19):
The brain.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:19):
Air quotes brain.
Yeah, not even the

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:22):
brain.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:22):
Just brain.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:23):
Just brain,

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:23):
yeah.
Just brain.
So apparently he's a prettysmart guy.
It sounds like he's pretty goodat like– It seemed like he was
the

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:31):
smartest guy in an island full of idiots.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:33):
Yeah, cartography?
Is that like the creation ofmaps?
He

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:37):
just had like some basic scientific background and
he could like map out where the,he could figure out where the
mines were.
Not real great at that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:47):
Didn't, you know, he was maybe like 70% right.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:51):
told you left.
Yeah.
He also had a prolific career.
A lot, like he got a lot of,Momentum later in his career.
But his first credit was all theway back in 1954.
Wow.
Yeah.
So I have almost all films forhim.
A handful of TV.

(01:02:12):
But earlier in his career, hewas in The Adventures of
Huckleberry Finn.
Okay.
So they're a fistful of dollars.
The 1974 TV prologue, he has anuncredited credit.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know what that means.
I think when that film was airedon TV, they included a prologue.

(01:02:33):
Oh, okay.
And so he, I guess, spoke it.
He was part of that.
Yeah.
So he's in that.
Cool Hand Luke.
Nice.
So here's one of the TV series.
He was part of Gunsmoke.
So I think this is sointeresting because obviously
he's already been working, buthe has this pretty bit part in

(01:02:55):
this huge movie.
Called The Godfather Part 2.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:58):
Yeah.
I remember him in that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:02):
Because he's like one of the two FBI guys that are
guarding the guy that ends upkilling himself.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:09):
I can't remember his name.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:11):
He's like a cousin.
Yeah.
Is the last name Corleone?
I don't know if the last name isCorleone specifically.
But he's one of Michael'scousins.
He's family.
Yeah.
And he was going to testify.
Yeah.
against Michael.
And then, I mean, it's a reallyinteresting scene.
It's, to me, that is a, like,I'm a bigger fan of part one.

(01:03:34):
I like that film better justbecause in part, I think Marlon
Brando, for all the crazinessaround Marlon Brando, he is
magnificent in that movie.
Yeah.
So I miss him deeply from parttwo.
But the scene where they're inthe courtroom and the cousin,
I'm just going to call him thecousin.
Yeah.
He is about to testify.

(01:03:55):
Yeah.
Against Michael.
And

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:56):
then, like, his brother

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:58):
shows up.
Yes.
Michael flies in his brotherfrom Sicily, who I don't think
he has seen in forever.
Yeah.
He doesn't even speak English.
Yeah.
All he has to do is bring thebrother into the courtroom.
And he is so...
So kind of like, I don't knowwhat the word is, but all of a

(01:04:18):
sudden he's like, well, likehe's like shamed maybe, like
going against the family.
And just seeing the presence ofhis brother is enough for him
to- He goes

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:28):
back on all of

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:29):
his- He goes back on all of it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:30):
They're like, I

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:32):
don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
And so then because of that,that completely changes the
trajectory of his life, which isto say it ends.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:45):
Because now he's in prison.
Oh, my gosh.
I'm forgetting his name.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:52):
Robert

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:53):
Duvall?
Yes, thank you.
He comes out to see him.
Both assures him that his familyis going to be taken care of.
Nothing's going to happen to hiswife and kids.
But also they talk about thislittle story about how I think
Romans maybe used to– Unalivethemselves.
Yeah.

(01:05:14):
With like some form of dignityinstead of like rotting in jail
or being killed or whatever.
And so that's exactly what hedoes.
All to say, it's Harry DeanStanton, who is one of the FBI
guys who's supposed to bewatching him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:24):
Just wanted to play some cards with him, give him a
break.
Yes.
And yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:28):
So, yeah, that's his part.
Now, he's in The MissouriBreaks.
I forgot

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:34):
who we were talking about

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:35):
because we talked so much about...
To me, it's such a fascinatingpart of the film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:38):
Yeah, when it came back to Harry and Stanton, I'm
like,

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:40):
yeah.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry I get on thesesides, but it is...
I don't know if it's my favoritepart of the film, but I think
it's one of the most interestingparts of the film.
It is,

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:49):
yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:49):
So, going back to Stanton, he's in The Missouri
Breaks.
So, again...
At this point, we're in the 80s.
We're 30 years long in hiscareer, but he gets a ton of...
Oh, I'm sorry.
We're not in the 80s yet.
We're 79.
Yes.
He gets a ton of notoriety forhis role in Alien.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:07):
He was great in Alien.
I think that's just becauseAlien became such this
phenomenal hit.
His presence in it just broughtmore attention to him maybe in a
way that he hadn't before.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:21):
Yeah.
Agreed.
So...
He does that.
He does The Rose, PrivateBenjamin.
So he works with Kurt Russell'swife.
Young Doctors in Love.
I mean, just a ton of films.
It's not the first time we'vebrought him up because he was in
Christine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:36):
And it won't be the last time because we're probably
going to cover Repo Man.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:40):
We will.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:41):
Sure.
We will at some point.
And it's funny because inChristine, I think I remember
having this conversation aboutit.
He plays like this really kindof straight dude.
Usually he has like kind of aquirky character about him.
Yeah.
He's a great character actor.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:55):
He's a detective in Christine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:56):
And he just plays it straight, man.
Yeah.
He's just on a straight andnarrow detective.
He just wants to figure outwhat's going on.
So he's in that.
Like you said, Repo Man.
I think he probably, okay, soyes, there's a whole group of
people who know him from Alien.
I think people who really lovemore independent film really
appreciate his performance inParis, Texas.

(01:07:18):
Okay.
So he's in that.
He's in Red Dawn.
I don't

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:21):
think anyone will watch that right now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:23):
No.
I mean, he's done so manydifferent genres.
So he is Andy's dad in Pretty inPink.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:33):
That's right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:33):
He's Molly Ringwald's father.
Yeah.
So he's in that.
The Last Temptation of Christ.
I think he's one of thedisciples.
maybe.
Dream a Little Dream, Wild atHeart, Down Periscope, Fear and
Loathing in Las Vegas, TheStraight Story, The Green Mile,
and then he did more TV worklater in his career.

(01:07:54):
He was in Big Love.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:56):
I remember this actually very specifically.
I don't know if he just reallyloved comic books, but he just
has this little bit part.
He's just a security guard inthe first Avengers movie.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:07):
Yeah, when Hulk...
crashes out of the giant flyingaircraft carrier thing and crash
lands in a building.
He's the security guard there toask him if he's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:21):
So I don't know how that came about.
It's

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:23):
fun though.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:24):
It's fun to see him.
I also don't know if they justpulled existing audio.
I've said that before about acouple other circumstances of
this happening.
But he does have a voice creditfor the video game Alien
Isolation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:38):
Which is the best survival horror video game maybe
ever made, especially if you'rea fan of the Alien franchise.
Yes.
Yeah.
But you're probably right.
They probably just pulledfrom...
From the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:53):
I don't know for sure.
Yeah.
But he also was in the TV seriesTwin Peaks and just– he had a
very prolific career.
Great actor.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:05):
Okay.
We're making our way.
We're making our way through theend.
We got two more people to cover.
Both– I mentioned them actuallyvery early in the conversation
because they are– So she playsMaggie, and she has a really

(01:09:32):
interesting role to me.
She is...
Stated to be Brain's girlfriend.
Yes.
Or that she was like given tohim or something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:42):
That is how it was described.
Yeah.
Duke gave her to him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:47):
It's not a great way of setting up that relationship,
but they seem to care about eachother.
She was ride or die, literally.
She was.
She was.
She was.
And she's tough.
Yeah.
She knows how to shoot a gun.
Well, she does until shedoesn't.
That was kind of a weak point inthe film because there is a

(01:10:09):
scene where she comes in withbrain.
Oh, my

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:12):
God.
She takes out like three guys.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:14):
Three shots, three guys.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:16):
And then at the fucking end of the film, she
can't hit a fucking car comingright at her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:21):
It's really ridiculous.
That was her specialty wasshooting guys five feet away
instead of a car coming at herlike however

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:30):
fast.
Yeah.
Like that was lame.
That that's how she went out?
Because I was like, no, shecould have absolutely got him.
But in any case.
It

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:37):
would have been an interesting end of the movie if
she just like killed the Dukeand she's like, all

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:42):
right, we're

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:42):
good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:43):
Well, so this is on me because this is maybe just
I'm way too accustomed to thisstuff happening in films.
I thought for sure her and Snakewere going to have some kind of
relationship.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:54):
I'm glad they didn't.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:55):
And I was just going to say, I'm glad they didn't.
I think that was an interestingchoice made.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:03):
I it is.
And like when when Brain diesand he's trying to convince her
to, like, come with them.
That's like maybe the onlymoment where it felt like, oh,
she's just going to, like, leavewith them.
Like, that's what I thought.
But she's like, nope.
Brain was my guy.
I'm staying here with him andI'm going to kill the Duke.

(01:11:25):
You're not.
But, you know, that's whatthat's what she tried.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:28):
Yeah.
So she's a really interestingfigure.
I'm glad.
I mean, I don't know if they'rejust like, I mean, in the very
next film that he does, thereare no tricks at all.
Although she is the voice of thecomputer.
That's

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:40):
cool.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:41):
In the thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:42):
Okay.
So she must not have beendivorced just yet.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:45):
Maybe just not yet.
But her work, she's still...
Very much working.
She has leaned heavily into herassociation with horror.
But very early in her career,she was on the TV series Maud.
Then she is in The Fog.
So, again, another Carpenterfilm.

(01:12:05):
The Cannonball Run.
I don't know if we're going tocover that or not.
I mean, she is smoking hot inthat...
outfit her and the other chickwear.
In

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:16):
the Cannonball Run?
Yeah.
Like, that's their thing.
That's their thing.
Yeah, they're smoking hot.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:22):
I mean, she's smoking hot in this film, but
yeah, that's very much theirthing.
She is the bitch to end allbitches in Creepshow.
Boy, she really is.
Is she married to Atkins in thatstory?
Possibly?
No, no, no.
It's Holbrook.
Hal Holbrook, I think, is herhusband.

(01:12:43):
So she's in Creepshow, which Iwould love to cover at some
point.
Yeah, so I guess it'suncredited, but I think it's
generally known that she is thevoice of the computer in The
Thing.
I never knew that

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:54):
until now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:54):
She is in– which I have another fun voice– Credit,
uncredit for this film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:01):
She is in Back to School.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:03):
She is not a good person in that either.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:05):
she's not?

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:06):
She's in it mostly at the beginning because that's
when Rodney Dangerfield, she'sRodney Dangerfield's wife.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:13):
So that helps you, like, it's a problem with
suspending disbelief right fromthe get-go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:19):
Yeah.
So their marriage does not last,and then the movie begins from
there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:26):
Got it.
Yeah.
Love...
The name of this film.
I'm going to mess it up from thebeginning.
Cannibal?

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:38):
I don't know why I was going hard to

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:39):
say Cannibal.
I was waiting for some reallycrazy

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:44):
elaborate.
It's not done yet.
Cannibal Women in the AvocadoJungle of Death.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:49):
Yeah, I like that.
I'd watch that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:52):
Is that an

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:52):
80s movie?
It is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:54):
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Actually, it's funny.
She has a lot of uncreditedvoice credits.
She apparently was the voice ofthe computer in Demolition Man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:04):
She also was the voice of Central in Judge Dredd.
Can I make her the voice ofSiri?
Oh, that would be fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:11):
Oh, no.
Did I just activate

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:13):
it?
I doubt it.
Okay.
Just don't say anything.
Let's just keep moving on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:18):
So she– and she just in general has done a lot of
voice work because she– andthese are all very much credited
to her.
The TV series Batman, theanimated series, Gotham Girls.
So she must be part of thatwhole DC universe.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:33):
She

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:33):
was on the show Carnival.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:35):
She heard DC stuff because I think Swamp Thing is
technically a DC thing, like acomic, and she was in Swamp
Thing in the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:44):
Oh, okay.
Sorry, I missed that.
She was on the TV series GeneralHospital, which I think is wild.
That's super fun.
Exorcism at 60,000 feet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:54):
So in a plane.
Probably, right?
Probably.
Yeah, yeah.
Probably.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:59):
And then I'm so sad that this podcast didn't
continue.
I was told at one point that itwas going to resume, but I don't
think it has.
There was a podcast called SheKills.
She was essentially the host ofit.
Okay.
She like did the intro and theoutro.
I think she also maybe was partof some of the interviews.
And essentially the premise ofthe podcast is that they just

(01:15:21):
talked to a ton of women whoworked in horror.
That's fun.
In different capacities.
Yeah.
And it was a very, very goodpodcast.
And I'm super sad it didn'tstick.
But she was part of that.
Okay, moving on to our lastperson we're covering, Tom
Atkins.
Certainly not least.
He's a little bit overlooked inthis film, too.
He doesn't get a lot to do.

(01:15:41):
He does not.
I mean, it could have all justbeen Hawk.
They didn't really need hissidekick guy, who Tom Atkins
essentially is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:48):
No, they could have had him.
It would have almost made moresense for him to...
Bring up some of the medicalstuff.
Yeah.
They're like, why is the doctor,like, telling Hawk, like, you're
going to tell him now?

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:59):
He should have been the

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:01):
doctor.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:03):
Like, Hawk could have done all the military side
stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:05):
Or he's just there when the doctor injects the
thing into Snake, and then he'sthe one who says, are you going
to tell

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:12):
him?
Sure.
You know.
Yeah, yeah.
So his character name is, like,Remy.
Yeah.
I don't know how often he'sactually referred to by that.
And

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:21):
that was actually the inspiration for Ratatouille.
No, not

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:26):
really.
I didn't think so.
Okay.
So he is a very, I think he'spretty beloved.
I think people kind of like,they like Tom Atkins.

UNKNOWN (01:16:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:38):
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
I think, especially within theworld of horror.
But some of his work, I have alittle bit of film, a little bit
of TV.
Earlier on, we have the TVseries, so not the film,
Serpico.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:50):
Serpico.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:51):
The Rockford Files.
Okay.
It is so fun because in themovie The Fog, which he is in,
he plays the character of NickCastle.
I

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:00):
love

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:01):
it.
So fun.
He is in Creepshow, but I don'tthink he's not Adrian Barbeau's
husband.
He's, I think, part of adifferent storyline.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:07):
I think so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:08):
He is in Halloween 3, Season of the Witch.
I

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:12):
mean, he's the guy.
He is the guy.
He's the main guy in that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:15):
He is the main guy.
Night of the Creeps, which Iknow I have said that I wanted
to do both movies, but becausehe's not actually the lead in
Night of the Creeps, but he hasa pretty prominent part.
So I don't know if we're goingto do both those films in the
same Halloween series.
I'm going to have to spread themout.
So maybe Night of the Creepsnext year, but Halloween 3 this
year.
Okay.
We'll see.
Lethal Weapon.

(01:17:35):
That's right, yeah.
Which we covered not too longago.
Go check that one out.
Maniac Cop, Bob Roberts.
Apparently he's in the 2009remake of My Bloody Valentine.
Really?
Okay.
Yeah.
He also was on the TV seriesCreepshow, but not the same
character.
That makes sense.

(01:17:56):
But he came back.
And he's just done a ton of TVwork.
So what I was going to say interms of the other like
uncredited voice.
So the woman who is speaking atthe beginning of this film.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:09):
Yeah.
Basically saying like we leavefor New York or Manhattan in two
hours if you want to just killyourself.
Yep.
Basically.
Yep.
Right.
Yeah.
You could do that.
Go see so and so.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:21):
Yep.
So a lot of those never beenconfirmed, I believe.
Right.
By either Carpenter or her, alot of people believe that it's
Jamie Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:32):
Oh.
I love when things like thatcome up and everyone's like,
we'll just never tell you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:37):
Yeah.
Like, why?
I don't think they've everconfirmed it, but they've also
not denied it.
All right.
So it's credited to somebodyelse, but her only credits are
this film and Escape from L.A.
So the thought is like, that'sjust a pseudonym.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:55):
Yeah.
Narrator, computer, voice,uncredited.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:59):
So, in any case, synopsis.
Finally.
In 1997, when the U.S.
president crashes intoManhattan, now a giant maximum
security prison, a convictedbank robber is sent in to rescue
him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:18):
That's it.
Yeah, I guess so.
I mean, I think, like, from whatI know, he's more than just a
bank robber.
This is

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:25):
true.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:27):
But it is generally pretty accurate.
I'm glad I finally saw the filmin its entirety, because I
really like Carpenter.
I like his work.
I lean more into his horror, butI can appreciate these types of
films.
I do really love, if it works,when directors kind of use the

(01:19:53):
same cast of characters, or likea cast of actors, I should say,
for the different films thatthey do so it's fun to see a lot
of these familiar faces um ithink for me the biggest thing
is like kind of too much of alack of background on some of
the actors or characters as wellas the pacing

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:14):
well it's weird because you're right like we
there were things that we weresupposed to already know about
some of the characters it feltlike Yeah.
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:44):
I mean, it was kind of funny because like, I mean,
they make it real clear to him.
You got 24 hours and then thefirst four hours fly by.
And, and so that's what I meanby like pacing and also, okay.
Can I just say, um, I'm notsaying it wouldn't be tiring,
but the way that they all actafter going downstairs versus

(01:21:06):
going...
You and I, we've actually goneup, like, what, a 70-floor
building?
I

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:11):
think so, yeah.
At least, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:12):
It's not easy.
It's not.
That I understand.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:16):
If you're going up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:18):
They were all winded going down 50 or so flight
stairs, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:23):
And I think that, like, roughly the time it took
them to go, maybe, maybe, but Idon't know.
I think they like shaved anotherhour off for him to just go down
those 50 flights of stairs.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:34):
They played pretty fast and loose with like the
timer because I think it wouldtake some time to walk down 50
flights of stairs.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:42):
It would take time, but would it take an hour?

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:44):
Probably not.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:45):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:46):
Although like- The time that he's having to go back
up and down again is after hehad had a fucking crossbow bolt
in his leg.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:55):
That's true.
That's true.
That would have hurt.
I do appreciate that they keptthe limp.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:02):
All the way to the end.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:03):
All the way to the end.
Got to

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:06):
get some Neosporin on that or something.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:08):
Yeah.
That's going to get infected.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:11):
Well, they put a dirty rag over it, so tied it
off.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:15):
I mean, I guess it was just really interesting
to...
see the world.
I was really curious about Dukebecause I was like, okay, so in
this world where there's like nolaw and order, how do you become
the person who essentially likeeverybody else's rank and file
to you?

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:33):
He reminded me like all, all of those parts of it
reminded me very much of likethe warriors.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:38):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:39):
You know, like the, the, the man in charge, the guy
in charge, they're just, youknow, someone that like rules
over this weird dystopianwasteland and, Just through
essentially fear or just throughpower.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:52):
And am I to assume that the crazies do resort to
cannibalism?

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:56):
Yeah.
Okay.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (01:23:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:00):
That's, yeah, they would catch you and eat you is
what I took from that.
Okay.
So that was his wife, actually,I think.
Kurt Russell's wife at the time.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:10):
Who was pulled down into the floor.
No way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:14):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:15):
That was season Hubli, Hubli?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's who that was.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
So.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:22):
That was actually legit.
That was like horror.
Yeah.
That was like the way she gottaken out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:27):
Yeah.
Well, when he walks in there, Ithink his foot kind of goes down
into it.
So you get a littleforeshadowing.
Yes.
And then she's just like rippedthrough the floor and probably
eaten.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:37):
It is horrifying.
Yeah.
That was legit the scariest partof the film, the way they move.
There were a couple of funlittle like tiny, tiny jump
scares where somebody moves inthe background and he's not
aware of it.
They

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:52):
kind of move on from that once you're once they like
establish the setting where he'sat, like.
Once things get rolling with themain story with like the Duke,
they kind of like pivot awayfrom that.
Then really like none of thoseother things are really the–
like the biggest danger isgetting the president and
getting past Duke.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:10):
Although I don't know if I still understand was
it to set him up, although he'salso putting himself in danger.
Why did Brain have him takeBroadway?
Because Maggie– Oh, to get

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:21):
there first.
He thought– I– you know– That'sfair because my perception or my
memory was that Harry DeanStanton's character was more of
a double crosser.
I don't think he was after likeseeing the whole thing again.
I remember that moment, though,thinking that he was trying to
like double cross him.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:40):
Not as brainy as he thought he was because Maggie
was like trying to say, no,that's not the way we

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:44):
should go.
He did get him there.
faster, like fast enough towhere there would have been a
chance.
Like if he had been successfulin convincing that guy to go in,
that would have given Snake abetter chance of getting the
president out.
But he is smart.
Like he's playing it both ways.
I think he knew the way that hedid it would give him the best

(01:25:04):
chance of surviving no matterwhat happened.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:06):
Very much so.
Yep.
No, that's a really good point.
Yeah.
I mean...
It was an interesting world thatwas set up.
I actually, you know,occasionally I say this, like, I
think they could have actuallylengthened out the movie a
little bit to fill in some ofthose blind spots, so to speak,
of things that I didn't reallyunderstand or just wanted a

(01:25:27):
little bit more of in terms ofbackstory.
That being said, like, the wholesetup to it could have maybe be
condensed down a tiny bit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:36):
A little bit.
A

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:37):
little

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:37):
bit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:38):
So, especially just, like...
the whole like them showing theinner workings of the way that
they yeah yeah so but yeah itwas fun

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:51):
yeah i i did enjoy it i don't know if it makes me
more or less likely to watchescape from los angeles or
escape from la it's just la

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:01):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:01):
it's not escape from ny

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:02):
it's not

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:04):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:05):
Escape from L.A.
rolls off the tongue.
I'm all about things rolling offthe tongue.
That rolls off the tongue.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:10):
One too many syllables.
Yeah.
Fine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:14):
So I think I know the answer.
You would definitely watch thisfilm again.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:19):
yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
It's yeah, it's a fun it's a funmovie.
It's not as it's not as fun.
Fun is like.
Sure.
But it's a cool movie.
It's a cool premise.
It was cool enough that itinspired, like, all these other
characters and games and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:34):
Sure.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, if it was on, I don'tknow.
Now that I'm more familiar withit, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:41):
Depends on where in the movie

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:42):
it is.
Yeah.
And I'm glad I saw it.
I'll say that much.
So, Call to Action.
Oh.
Oh, my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:51):
What's yours?

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:52):
How does everyone know Snake?
What's your best theory on howeveryone knows who Snake

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:58):
is?
Well, because there's no IP forthis, right?
This was just created for thisfirst film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:03):
Yeah.
How does everyone on the island,how does everyone on Manhattan
know who he is?
How do so many people know whohe is?
Is it just because he got thatpresidential award from the
news?
Like he's just famous?

UNKNOWN (01:27:20):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:20):
Maybe.
So that's the thing.
So that call to action would bemine as well, but I know that it
has no answer.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:28):
That's why I asked it.
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:31):
Well, if you want to reach out, we'd love to hear
from you.
You can reach out throughFacebook, Instagram, or Blue
Sky.
It is the same handle at allthree.
It is at 80s Montage Pod, and80s is 80S.
You don't know the next film,per usual.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:48):
Challenge accepted.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:48):
So...
Here's the thing.
By the time this, not thisepisode, but the next episode
airs, we will have alreadypassed the Oscars.
But I was like, oh, let's maybearound this time of year do like
an Oscar film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:01):
Oh, okay.
So.
That's not, that's definitelynot going to.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:06):
Okay, so I'm going to narrow it down to best
picture that gives you 10choices.

UNKNOWN (01:28:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:12):
Gives you 10 films to pick.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:14):
Oh my goodness.
Well, I'm just going to type in80s

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:18):
Oscar Best Picture winners.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:20):
And then I'm going

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:21):
to pick one.
So a lot of these, thisqualifies for a lot of films
from the 80s that won BestPicture.
I'm

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:28):
clicking even louder so that it comes through.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:30):
Historical.
Historical epic.
Epic-y.
Yeah.
Epic-y.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:35):
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:36):
Historical.
I'll say like historical biopic.
Biopic.
Still doesn't totally narrow itdown.
There's a lot of those.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:46):
I don't think we're doing Chariots of Fire.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:48):
No.
Bump it up a couple years.
I think of any of the films thatwon Best Picture, this would
hopefully be one that you wouldbe interested.
I don't honestly even know ifyou've seen it before.
I love this movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:00):
Oh, okay.
Here's my guess.
Amadeus.
Yes! Nice.
Have you seen it?
I haven't seen it from start tofinish.
Like a lot of these, I've seenlike...
Escape from New York, I haveseen it from start to finish.
But Amadeus, I haven't everwatched it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:16):
It's a great film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:17):
All the way through.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:18):
think it should be known that it plays very fast
and loose with the actualhistorical facts.
Oh, well, thank you for

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:25):
telling me that

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:25):
ahead of time.
Yeah, of Mozart's life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:27):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:28):
And the filmmaker makes no apologies for that as
well.
I think he thinks that that'skind of like...
And I'm not arguing the point.
But he doesn't necessarily thinkthat it's his job to be...
Obligated.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:43):
Historically accurate when making a movie
about a real person.
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:46):
Interesting.
But it's a great film, gloriousperformances, opulent.
It's just a really...
And also, to be honest, reallysad.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:58):
Okay.
The intro is just going to behim laughing for like 30

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:01):
seconds.
Oh, my God.
And apparently that wassomething he just came up with
on his own.
People...
I think as much as we know, asfar as like historical records,
I think there was some notationof the fact that Mozart had like
a unique laugh.
But nobody knows that that wasthe way that he laughed.
So I think that Tom Holtz, whichit's like amazing that the guy

(01:30:24):
from Animal House is Mozart inthis film.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:27):
That

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:27):
is.
I mean, it's like amazing.
But yeah, he just kind of cameup with that.
Yeah.
In any case, that's going to bethe next film.
All right.
Are you excited?
I

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:36):
am, yeah.
Yay! I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:38):
Well, on that note, thank you to everybody for
hanging out with us.
We really appreciate thatnobody, everybody's busy.
So little time.
So little time, especiallylistening to podcasts.
So we really appreciate that youare choosing to spend that time
with us.
We thank you for that.
And we do.

(01:30:59):
Sincerely.
And we will talk to you again intwo weeks time.

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