Fast Times at Ridgemont High

In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss lightning in a bottle casting, anti-John Hughes depictions of teen life, and much more during their chat of the seminal flick Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Why don't you get a job, Spicoli?

(00:11):
What for?
You need money.

SPEAKER_05 (00:13):
All I need are some tasty waves, cool buzz, and I'm
fine.

SPEAKER_02 (00:21):
Whoa, and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (00:26):
And that was Sean Penn as Jeff Spicoli.
Telling Judge Reinhold, playingBrad, about all the things that
he needed in 1982's Fast Timesat Ridgemont High.
Good job.
I made it.
I got there.

SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Yeah, I mean, my goodness, it's kind of crazy to
think that we're only now...
Covering this film, which islike pretty seminal to films of
the 80s, especially teen filmsof

SPEAKER_02 (00:55):
the 80s.
Had to save it.
Had to wait for the time to beright,

SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
you know?
Sure.
The perfect time.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
And when that didn't show up, we just decided to do
it now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
Yeah.
I'm glad that we finally arebecause, I mean...
I'm, I can't claim this is thefavorite film of mine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
Oh no, it's not one of mine.
I mean, I've seen it before.
I've probably

SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
seen it a couple times.
I've seen it, not a ton, butI've seen it a handful of times
as well.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21):
It's so uncomfortable at so many
different times in the movie.
So there are like genuinelyfunny moments, but a lot of it
you're like, oh, I just got tomake it through.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
which, you know, we can dive into the intention
of...
You know, the filmmaker, whichvery notable, Amy Heckerling.

SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42):
So I'm really excited about that, getting to
talk about a female director,because that's extremely rare to
get to do so.
It wasn't

SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
a big thing in the 80s, was it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
No, still not such a big thing in 2025.

SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
But it was also even less of a thing then.

SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
This is true.
This is true.
So let's jump in.
You mentioned correctly, 1982.
Okay, so...

SPEAKER_02 (02:08):
I knew I had seen that, but for whatever reason,
the version of IMDb I have, itjust doesn't say.
It

SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
doesn't say?

SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Not on the, I think it's just the particular tab
that I'm in.
Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
But if you look at where the tab is, it has a
parenthetical 1982 on it.

SPEAKER_00 (02:32):
Yeah.
So

SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
it's not on the page itself.

SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
I don't know.
I'm such a creature of habit.
I hate when IMDb makes theirstupid updates.
But anyway, they change thingsup a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
Why?
Why?
Why do that?
Okay.
So, so, so interesting, thewriting credit on this one.
We have brought him up before,probably the last time we will
be bringing him up for anythingrelated to a film we're
covering.

SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Cameron Crowe.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
there's a lot, but not in the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
There's a lot, yes, but not in the 80s.
Absolutely right.
So...
We have brought him up beforebecause I think that was his
directorial debut when he didSay Anything.

SPEAKER_02 (03:19):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
We did that with Danielle, so please go check
that one out.
But, okay, in case I am alreadycoming across as confusing, he
didn't direct this film, but heis the writer on it.
And the story behind that, tome, is fascinating.
I mean,

SPEAKER_02 (03:34):
how many movies has he written that he didn't
direct?

SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Yeah, I think that came up.
when we were talking about SayAnything, because I think he's
pretty faithful to just wantingto direct the films that he
writes himself.
Because he's firstly a writer.
So why wouldn't he?
But the whole story around this,I think, is so interesting.
I'm kind of...
I feel like it doesn't getbrought up enough.
Because it's one of, I think,the more unique stories behind a

(04:02):
film.
Which is...
Now, you might get a little bitof a sense of...
Sorry for this aside, butanother one of my favorite films
of his is Almost Famous.

(04:38):
He graduated high school at 15years old.
And also because of the agething, never really fit into
high school because he was somuch younger than everybody
else.
So anyway, he goes on to havelike a writing career with
notably Rolling Stone.
And then he does that for acouple years.
That's actually where the storyof Almost Famous comes in

(05:00):
because he did go on the roadwith the band and covered them
and the whole thing.
So it's very, very true to hislife.
However...
Now he's in his early 20s.
Kind of that excitement of thatpart of his life has like worn
off a little bit.
He has this idea of going backto high school because he never
really got that experience.

(05:22):
So he gets the okay and goesundercover as a high school
student.
It's like the

SPEAKER_02 (05:30):
plot of Never Been Kissed.

SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Yes, except for hopefully the inappropriate
relationship with a teacher.

SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
I don't really know that much.
But out of it came the book,Fast Times at Richmond High.
So that is the foundation ofthis film is like that story and
his experience.
You

SPEAKER_02 (05:55):
know how he got that to happen?

SPEAKER_00 (05:56):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (05:58):
Because the principal was not a big fan of
this idea.

SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (06:01):
He mentioned, you know, how he had met musicians
while he was doing this otherstuff.
And the principal happened to bea big fan of Kris Kristofferson,
who he was able to kind of liketalk about.
So after that, the principal waslike, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
You know what?
I got to say, that's like...
crazy to me that any principalwould have agreed to it under
any circumstances.

SPEAKER_02 (06:24):
But especially the Kris Kristofferson circumstance.

SPEAKER_00 (06:27):
That was what turned the corner in that conversation.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (06:31):
you met him?
Okay.
Yeah, I guess you can come backto high school.

SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
No shade to Kris Christofferson, rest in peace.
No, he was amazing in Blade.
Yeah, he was.
So that's how this all cametogether, which I think is
really, really fun.
Also kind of sad because I thinkthe stories that came out of his
experience and in the book andwhat we see in the film, but it

(06:55):
does speak, I think, for betteror for worse, truthfully.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:01):
I mean, all of the things that happen in the movie
are all things that I couldimagine But then slightly
exaggerated.

SPEAKER_00 (07:11):
Yes.
Yes.
You

SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
know.

SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The.
This film has a lot of likependulum swings.
In terms of tone.

SPEAKER_01 (07:20):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
And I think that's really interesting.
So all to say.
Go Cameron Crowe.
That's like a pretty cool storyand pretty ballsy.
I would never even think to goundercover as anything.
I

SPEAKER_02 (07:35):
mean, I said Never Been Kissed, but it's also 21
Jump Street.

SPEAKER_00 (07:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of these stories, huh?
Yeah.
So to really quickly go throughhis writing credits, which to
your earlier point also for himwould also be like his directing
credits.
So Say Anything, now we'realready– jumping into the 90s
singles he gets his first uhoscar nomination it he gets a
two first so he gets bestoriginal screenplay and best

(08:01):
pitcher noms for jerry mcguire

SPEAKER_03 (08:03):
okay

SPEAKER_00 (08:04):
that and then he gets his win which i think very
very much deserved he gets abest original screenplay oscar
win for almost famous

SPEAKER_02 (08:13):
that makes sense

SPEAKER_00 (08:14):
and honestly that is probably my favorite but Cameron
Crowe movie.
I love that movie.
That's one of those ones I justhave on repeat.

SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
It is.
It is.
It's true.

SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
He does Vanilla Sky, Elizabeth.
I love

SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
that movie, by the way.
It's not one that's like you canwatch it over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
Vanilla Sky.

SPEAKER_02 (08:29):
Yeah.
It's a super cool movie.

SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
I saw it once in the theater.
Didn't really know what wasgoing on.
That's what I remember.
That's fair.
A little.
Confused.

SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
It is a confusing movie.

SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Intentionally so.
Yeah.
It's meant to not be a superlinear story.

SPEAKER_02 (08:47):
It hides the ball until the very end.

SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah.
What did she say to him?
Is it wake up?

SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
Probably something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
Yeah.
Elizabethtown, We Bought a Zoo,Aloha, which had a little bit of
controversy around it withcasting.

SPEAKER_02 (09:04):
Oh, okay.
Well, just based on the name, Ican't imagine why that could
have been, and I will leave itat that.

SPEAKER_00 (09:09):
And then more recently, he has writing credit
on the TV series Roadies.

SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Okay, so I brought her up a couple minutes ago, the
director of this film, AmyHeckerling.
So this is her first featurefilm credit.
Wow.
And I'm super excited aboutthat.
I mean, she's great.
She's still very much workingtoday, mostly in television.

(09:35):
But it is no small feat that shewas able to do this at this
time, early 80s, when– I don'teven– I can't throw out a
percentage, but, like, thenumber of women who were put
behind feature films in adirecting capacity, very far and
few between.

(09:55):
So I think personally– Probablythe reason why she was– I didn't
do a huge deep dive into likehow did she get this job.
But she had done a short calledGetting It Over With.

SPEAKER_02 (10:08):
Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
So if that kind of gives you any indication, they
probably thought they wereputting this film in good hands
with somebody who had done ashort very, very in tune with
like the high school experience.
That

SPEAKER_02 (10:20):
makes sense.
What movie were we talking– wasit– We were talking about a
horror movie that had a femaledirector.
Okay.
And we kind of talked about how,like, over-the-top nudity and,
you know...

SPEAKER_00 (10:37):
Oh, Slum Party Massacre.

SPEAKER_02 (10:39):
That's it, yeah.
Yeah.
And so I think it's interesting.
That director obviously did whatthey felt they needed to do to
work.
Like, this is part of, like,what is being asked, or this is
part of the expectations.
And so...
It's interesting that thesexuality in this movie is very
deliberately made super awkwardand painful.

(11:02):
And that was something thatHeckerling even commented on.
So when you mentioned the short,like getting it over with, like
that all falls in line with whatthe intent was for a lot of
those scenes.

SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
And I think that I want to say that the director,
Amy Holden Jones for SlumberParty Massacre, I think that
that's an excellent comparisonbecause she too was put in a
really tight position becauseessentially Roger Corman, who
produced that film, was like,you have to do this.
So I find it.

(11:34):
Really?
They're different

SPEAKER_02 (11:36):
types of movies, too.
So,

SPEAKER_00 (11:37):
yeah.
And I wasn't going to say likeinspiring, but like the fact
that they were able to kind oflike take this mandate and still
find a way to put forward maybewhat was a more.
Like more than just on the coverof it.
Oh, boobs.
You know, like there was moreto.

(11:58):
There

SPEAKER_02 (11:58):
were.
There were buts, too.

SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
Yeah.
But you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Like there was more behind.

SPEAKER_02 (12:04):
More behind, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (12:05):
Oh, God.
Anyway.
Okay.
I'm just going to jump off that.
We understand each other.
So some of our other credits.
A couple of these, in theory, wecould do because they're from
the 80s.
Johnny Dangerously.

SPEAKER_02 (12:21):
I'd do that one.
That's with Michael Keaton?

SPEAKER_00 (12:24):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Okay.
Yeah.
This one, honestly, it'sprobably my least favorite of
the franchise.
National Lampoon's EuropeanVacation.

SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
Yeah.
I like that Johnny Lawrence isin it.

SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
Yeah.
I mean, briefly.

SPEAKER_02 (12:37):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (12:38):
So she did that.
So this is one of those filmsthat sparked, at least for a
period of time, a TV series.
So there was a TV series calledFast Times.
Okay.
So she directed on that for abit.
Then a different franchise, Iguess you would say.
She's the director behind bothLook Who's Talking and Look

(12:59):
Who's Talking 2, T-O-O.
So she is a really interestingdirector because we said just a
couple minutes ago that, I mean,my humble opinion, Fast Times is
a seminal film, not just in likethe 80s, but as like a teen film

(13:19):
and what it portrays and whatthat experience is.
specifically in the 80s, thenshe does it again with Clueless.

SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
Oh, yeah.
In the 90s.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:31):
And actually, I just read recently that Clueless is
coming back to theaters thisyear because it's going to be,
God, it's terrible to say, the30th anniversary already of
Clueless.

SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
Clueless feels like kind of like a more definitive
90s teen kind of comedy, teenmovie.
Fast Times, in my mind, it feelslike the...
Like the reverse image or likethe counter John Hughes kind of
teen movie.

SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
Which is very interesting you say that because
this preceded any of thosemovies.

SPEAKER_02 (14:05):
Well, then maybe John Hughes is the anti...
Fast times.

SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
Sure.
Yeah.
No, I think that's an excellentpoint in terms of the way that
it describes or shows theteenage experience, the
archetypes.
I'm big on these teenagearchetypes.

SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
Well, like Damone.
Yeah.
Is that his name?
He like a lot of their likeresidences, they had like just
pretty like typical humble, likeeither apartment or

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
kind of like older homes.
Yeah, when they showed him.
Well, and that actually wassomething that, you know, when I
did a, not a deep dive, Butsomewhat of a dive Into the
whole Cameron Crowe Part of thisWhere Specifically who he
followed when he went undercoverin school.
And specifically, they talkabout a middle-class brother and

(14:54):
sister who, of course, areStacey and Brad.
And that's so interesting to me,too, because for whatever
reason, it seems like a prettybig deal that they have a pool.
I

SPEAKER_02 (15:03):
mean, it was a big deal back then.

SPEAKER_00 (15:05):
Yeah, but it's Southern California.
I feel like a lot of peoplewould have had pools.

SPEAKER_02 (15:09):
I mean, it was a big deal in Arizona, and you'd think
they'd all have them there,

SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
too.
That's true.
That's true.
And also something that's reallyinteresting is that both Fast
Times and and Clueless are bothset in Southern California.
Yeah.
And so to just show...
I mean, Clueless, veryintentionally, because it's
based off Emma, the Jane Austenstory.
So it is of generally a highersocioeconomic class.

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And that comes through clearlyin Clueless.

SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
I would say so.

SPEAKER_00 (15:38):
Yeah.
So different kind of film, alittle bit more heightened
reality, for sure, than FastTimes.
But still, I...
I just think that is such anaccomplishment that she made her
mark with two films that reallyspeak to different eras, but

(16:00):
still kind of this experiencethat presumably we all go
through.
Presumably?
Well, some people don't finishhigh school.
Oh, okay.
That's fair.
That's fair.
So also Clueless sparked a TVseries, but I don't think it–
went too far.

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She also directed the filmLoser.
And then more recently, Imentioned that she's done a ton
of television.
So she's done The CarrieDiaries, which also is about a
younger Carrie Bradshaw.
So she really, she really hasher niche in like the teen
world.
Okay.
Red Oaks and Royalties.
I

SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
think we watched like an episode of Red Oaks.

SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
I think you're, oh yeah, that's the one that, was
that also with Eugene?
No, it was Burke.
from

SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
paul reiser yeah okay

SPEAKER_00 (16:50):
yeah if i remember correctly so moving on to
cinematography matthew fleonetti not the first time that
we have brought him up andalmost certainly not the last
time we might even bring him upagain this season actually so he
very early in his career did ibecause i kind of clocked it

(17:10):
again when i was doing myresearch on him a lot of TV
movies under this guy's belt.
So of his 90 total credits, athird of them were TV movies.
So that is the bread and butterfor a lot of people.
So did a lot of those.
And then let's get into his filmwork.
So many movies.
And yeah, I could see usbringing up Mr.

(17:32):
Leonetti quite a few more timesin the future.
So he does Mr.
Billion, Breaking Away.
We have brought him up forPoltergeist.

SPEAKER_02 (17:41):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 (17:42):
Yes.
So that was with our greatfriend, Daniel.
Please go check that one out.
We will probably, maybe, spoileralert, do Weird Science.

SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
It might.
It might happen, right?

SPEAKER_00 (17:55):
Yeah.
I think we're going to have oneof our, again, beloved friends
and returning guests come totalk about that one with us.
So he did Weird Science, JaggedEdge, which we could do, but it
is a bummer of a film.
Yeah.
So we'll see.
Commando.

SPEAKER_01 (18:10):
Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:11):
Yeah, we'd probably do Commando over Jagged Edge.
Jumpin' Jack Flash, Dragnet, RedHeat, another 48 Hours, Dead
Again, Leap of Faith.
I mean...
I think I'm only halfway throughthe credits about

SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
Red Heat.
Red Heat is a tough one.
It's another Schwarzeneggermovie, but I

SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
just don't know.
It's very, very unfamiliar ordon't know a lot about it.

SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
I remember seeing it.
It was cool.
I just don't know if I have theappetite for it at this time
because of its Kremlin.

SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
Oh, sure.
Red Heat.
Got it.
Yeah, yeah.
Angels in the Outfield, StrangeDays.
This guy...
Every genre, man.
Species 2, Rush Hour...
And a lot of sequels, because hedid Species 2, Rush Hour 2, as
well as Too Fast, Too Furious.
Oh, my God.
Love that title.
The Butterfly Effect, Dawn ofthe Dead, the, I presume, 2004

(19:02):
remake.

SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (19:03):
Fever Pitch, What Happens in Vegas, and the last
credit, I think, as of now,2014's Dumb and Dumber 2.

SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
They spelled the two wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (19:14):
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know that that's...
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, you know.
Okay.
So...
This is another film that haslike an interesting music
component to it.
95% of the time we talk aboutcomposers on this podcast once
we get to this part of the show.
Not so much in this case.
We had that with Amadeus becausethey just pulled directly

(19:37):
from...

SPEAKER_02 (19:38):
Yeah, this is like some guy just made a mixtape and
sent it

SPEAKER_00 (19:42):
in.
And actually, that's one way inwhich it's very similar to the
John Hughes films because itpulls on so much popular music
of the day.
So that really is the soundtrackto this film.
And also...
kind of in its own way workinggirl because it was like just
reiterations of that Carly Simonsong

SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
throughout the film.
Fewer of the originalcompositions

SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
for this film.
Yes, exactly.
Just weirdly lately with all thefilms we've been covering.
So, yeah, I mean, you know, andit's funny because even in the
film they talk about– there's somuch talk about music.
Maybe that was another CameronCrowe influence.
I don't think– Damone issupposed to meant meant to be in
any way a stand-in for CameronCrowe god I hope but no I don't

(20:27):
I don't think at all that's thecase but Damone you know yes
he's like a ticket scalper butif

SPEAKER_02 (20:32):
anything he's the other he's he's rat because like
I imagine that his experience inhigh school would not have been
that of Damone

SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
the only tie-in I was trying to make is the fact
that Damone's constantly talkingabout music

SPEAKER_02 (20:43):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
so that might

SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
be yeah

SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
so there's that component there was kind of like
the joke throughout the film theum Three girls in high school
who all were doing their PatBenatar.
So that's also a very presentpart of the film.
The two people that I put downwho contributed to the music,
Joe Walsh, who did additionalscoring.

(21:06):
Additional scoring.
Yeah.
So I thought one fun credit forhim is that he performed the
theme song for the TV seriesRobocop.

SPEAKER_02 (21:16):
Oh, okay.

UNKNOWN (21:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
We have a lot of films from the 80s that turned
into TV shows, but...
They, I think...

SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
I

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
don't think that happens so much anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (21:25):
No, I think they just skip that and just make a
series.

SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
Yeah.
Because they

SPEAKER_02 (21:29):
can be as successful now, or...

SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
Or you do what Marvel did, where you have these
films and TV shows that work intandem.

SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
Yeah.
So they still, they're moresuccessful with it, and...
I think in the 80s, they wouldhave a really popular movie, and
then the TV series would belike,

SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
who

SPEAKER_02 (21:49):
the fuck are these people?
What is this?

SPEAKER_00 (21:53):
And then we have Bob...

SPEAKER_02 (21:55):
Dostocki?

SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
Thank you! No problem.
Who is the musical coordinatorfor this film, and a couple of
his credits include DC Cab andThe Zoo Game, both films.

SPEAKER_02 (22:04):
Let me say that Mr.
Dostocki, he coordinates his assoff.

SPEAKER_00 (22:09):
You sure did.

SPEAKER_02 (22:10):
He coordinated his ass off.
Let me try to say it clearerbecause I tripped over it.

SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
No, I thought you did great the first time.
Moving on to film editing, EricJenkins.
We have not brought him up yet.

SPEAKER_02 (22:25):
Wow.
Wow.
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (22:28):
Yeah.
Yeah, he's a newbie.

SPEAKER_02 (22:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
And honestly, I'm not sure if we'll bring him up
again.
All right.
But I have actually more so, asfar as his filmography, TV
rather than film.
But one notable exception tothat is the movie Altered
States.
So he cut that.
I had to put this one in.
I've said it before.
I don't usually call out by nameTV movies.

(22:54):
But he cut Ewoks, The Battle forEndor.
Okay.
Oh, well, okay.
I thought that was fun.

SPEAKER_02 (23:03):
It wasn't an editing problem.

SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
He presumably had a good working relationship with
Heckerling.
I don't know if she made thecall on this, but he did cut
episodes of the TV showClueless.
So he did that.
And then more recently, well,this isn't so recent.
He cut on Lizzie McGuire, Philof the Future.
I think he has done...
Like a lot of kind of kiddie,younger than high school stuff.

(23:29):
Phil of the Future, Ned'sDeclassified School Survival
Guide.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (23:34):
glad they declassified that.

SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
And then Psych.
Yeah, that was

SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
like a huge series, apparently, that they rebooted,
I think, on Peacock.

SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
I think you're

SPEAKER_02 (23:44):
right.
Possibly, but yeah, I don'tknow.
I just never got

SPEAKER_00 (23:48):
into it.
I never got into it.

UNKNOWN (23:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:50):
Okay, we're at the stars of the film.
And there are a lot of them.
I remarked this to you when wewere watching this for the
podcast.
It is insane, the casting ofthis film.
Because we're talking 1982.
So it's hard for me to remove...
the 40 plus years since andknowing that virtually every

(24:14):
person featured in this film hasgone on to become a huge star in
some way or another to reallytruly go back to 1982 when every
single one of these people waspretty much at the beginning of
their careers is insane to thinkabout like basically batting a
thousand with like castingpeople who were just all going
to be phenomenal in theircareers.

SPEAKER_02 (24:36):
So there are three actors who later won Oscars for
Best Actor.
And Cameron Crowe, of course,went on to win an Oscar.
And then another nominee.

SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
So that's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
That is a lot.
It's pretty

SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
solid.
I mean, not for this, but thatjust shows, I guess, again, the
casting.
Oh, that's

SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
right.
I'm so sorry.
I forgot.
Last night I did forget one whohad actually won for Best Actor.
Yeah, the three that won all wonfor Best Actor.
Yeah.
So we'll go to themindividually.
One

SPEAKER_02 (25:05):
of those three is barely in it, though.

SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
True.
Very true.
I think some of the scenes gotcut down.

SPEAKER_02 (25:11):
Yeah.
Well, that's because he lied.

SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
Yes.
Yes, he did.
It's...
Kind of a funny story.
Okay, so let's start with SeanPenn, who is Jeff Spicoli.
And, I mean, very much abreakout role, although I don't
think he really wanted toinitially do it.
I think even at the outset ofhis career, he's like, I'm above
this.
It

SPEAKER_02 (25:33):
was either him or Brad, possibly, because he was
potentially going to be Brad.

SPEAKER_00 (25:40):
I don't think that would have worked, so I'm glad
that they didn't.
I mean, look, he's obviously aversatile actor.

SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
Yeah, he took it really seriously.
It's kind of a goofy character,but he apparently was so deep
into it that the name on histrailer said Spicoli.
He would only respond toSpicoli,

SPEAKER_00 (26:00):
that kind of thing.
Between you and me and anybodywho listens to this podcast, so
for a period of time, Ivolunteered at a local shelter,
and there was a dog namedSpicoli, and I really, really,
really wanted to adopt Spicoli.
I do know his story.
He ended up getting adopted, andhe's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
Good.
Well, I mean, that's very muchlike the character in this
movie.
I think he probably turned outokay, too.

SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
He was not bad-intentioned.

SPEAKER_02 (26:31):
No, he was, like, in some ways...
the most pure, wholesometeenager in this movie.
He just hung out with people.
He did drive very recklessly.

SPEAKER_00 (26:42):
Very recklessly.

SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
Went surfing, smoked a lot of pot.
That was real pot they weresmoking when they got out of the
bus before the

SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
dance.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Maybe he can work on the way hethinks about women.
Because he's basically had thewhole setup of Buddy, in just
one of the guys in his bedroom.

SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
Yes, he

SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
did.
It's like the same bedroom.

SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
He did.

SPEAKER_00 (27:06):
Yeah.
So you can work on that a littlebit, but otherwise...
I

SPEAKER_02 (27:10):
like to think he has.

SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
I'd like to hope so.
But in any case, Sean Penn, theactor...
Actually, you know what's sofunny?
Boy, there's a real coming fullcircle moment here, which I just
clocked.
So he obviously has gone on tohave...
almost exclusively like anamazing film career.

(27:31):
And definitely in the 80s, likethis was a big breakout role for
him, but it wasn't exactly therole where I think he was taken
seriously.
They just knew that he was likea very charismatic actor.
Yeah.
But over the course of the 80s,so he does films like Taps, The
Falcon and the Snowman, At CloseRange.
At the time, I don't know ifthey were married at the time or

(27:54):
going to get married, ShanghaiSurprise with Madonna.

SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Oh, no.

SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
So does that.

SPEAKER_02 (27:59):
That didn't, that didn't.
No,

SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole today.
But yes, we, I try for the mostpart to not talk about off
screen, what have you, but.

SPEAKER_02 (28:09):
It's better that way.

SPEAKER_00 (28:10):
Yeah.
Otherwise we wouldn't have a lotof people to probably talk
about.
But if we just, anyway, all tosay, moving on.
Casualties of war.
Then.
I'm actually kind of surprisedhe didn't win for this.
I did watch this film.
It's a tough film to getthrough.
But Dead Man Walking, he getshis first Oscar nomination.

(28:31):
And that to me, like obviouslydoing films like At Close Range
and Casualties of War, heavydramas.
But I think that that film, Imean, almost to obviously he
gets an Oscar nomination for it.
But I think that's really whenhe turned a corner in terms of
like being– thought of as aserious actor.

(28:52):
Okay.
And if memory serves, SusanSarandon did win Best Actress
for that same film.
He does the game, which is areally good

SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
movie.
It's a great movie.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
He's not...
He's not in it a ton.
He's not.
It's Michael Douglas' film.

SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
It is.
He's in it.
He has an important character,but it's not really...
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:11):
Yeah.
He comes in strong at the end,but Hurley Burley, oh, Lord.
Yeah.
I'm getting emotional justlooking at the title of this
movie.
The Thin Red Line.
So he plays Walsh in it.
So this was a film...
Sorry, this is going to be anaside.

(29:32):
So Terrence Malick is notoriousfor just filming a ton.
A ton, a ton, a ton, a ton ofstuff.
And this film in particular...
Huge cast.
Huge, huge, huge, huge, hugecast.
And so, so many people hadstorylines in this film and so
much of it got cut down where Ithink there were even actors who

(29:53):
just ended up being completelyon the cutting room floor.
Big actors.
However, I'm so thankful becausewhat– if there's any kind– the
film is not a linear film at allin terms of the way most films
are.

SPEAKER_03 (30:08):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (30:08):
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I could have an entire podcastabout this film and how much I

(30:33):
adore this movie.
Unfortunately,

SPEAKER_02 (30:35):
that will not be part of 80s movie montage
because that is 1998.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
not.
And all I will say is I reallyencourage people to watch this
film.
It's brutal at times.
It's brutal most of the time, tobe honest.
But it is this amazing balance.
Like...
there's a dichotomy but thisbalance of the brutality and the

(30:59):
the ugliness which is not strongenough a term of war and and the
way that it destroys this likebeautiful natural world and then
the natural harmony that I thinkhumans do have so it is and the
two actors like I don't reallyknow what happened with Jim
Caruso and the way that like hiscareer went but but the the

(31:20):
interplay Between Penn andCaviezel is just dynamic to
watch.
I love it.
I love their scenes together.
It's so good.
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
I believe

SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
you.
Yeah.
I think he should have at leastgotten Best Supporting.
Maybe?
No, he didn't.
I have seen it.
But

SPEAKER_02 (31:36):
I've only seen it.
It's one of those movies whereI've seen it once and I'm like,
yeah, I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 (31:40):
That is how I felt the first time I saw it.
I don't know what prompted me towatch it again.
The first time I saw it, I wasjust confused because I was just
too used to linear filmmaking,linear storytelling, and it
didn't really click for me.
And it was only after– I don'tknow if I had to watch it again
in school or something, butafter seeing it a second time,
it just kind of clicked intoplace for me, and I just adore
that movie.

(32:01):
Okay.
Thank you for that tangent.
Of course.
Allowing that tangent.
So, okay, moving on.
He gets his best– his next best–actor Oscar nomination for Sweet
and Lowdown.

SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Do they have an Oscar nom for next best?

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
What did I say?
I'm so caught up.
No, no, you said it right.
You just said the name.
But

SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
I think it would be great if they had one, if they
had a kid

SPEAKER_00 (32:28):
who worked for Next Best.
Don't they have something kindof like that for the Golden
Globes where it's likeup-and-coming star or something?
I don't

SPEAKER_03 (32:34):
know.

SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
Anyway, I'm kind of surprised that this happened.
He got another Best Actor Oscarnomination for I Am Sam.
I don't know if that film wouldhave been made today.
Hey,

SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
just watch that and then watch Tropic Thunder.

SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
Right, right, right.
Yeah, so he gets that.
Now, he is a two-time winningOscar winner.
Oscar winner.
The first was for Mystic River.

SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
That is another movie that is a great movie that
I watched once and I'm like,yeah, I'm

SPEAKER_00 (33:02):
good.
Me too.
I was like, I'm good with that.
He's in 21 Grams.
And then I love this film.
He is dynamic.
Very, very deserved win.
He gets his second Oscar forMilk.
The Life of Harry and Milk.
He's in another Terrence Malickfilm, The Tree of Life.
He's done a little bit of TV.
I mean, he has like a prettynotable, I don't know, it was

(33:23):
maybe two or three episodes onFriends, but also a film called
The First, or I'm sorry, a TVshow called The First, which,
did you ever watch it?

SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
I watched an episode in school and it looked like it
was kind of interesting.
It was about Like NASA and hewas an astronaut.
Oh, okay.
I'm not really sure.
I think it maybe was likethey're trying to get to Mars.
One of those.
More than one.
All right.
And then more recently, he's inthe film Licorice Pizza.

SPEAKER_02 (33:54):
Which I didn't know that that was like a music store
or a store.
Me

SPEAKER_00 (33:59):
neither.

SPEAKER_02 (33:59):
From back then until we saw the Licorice Pizza sign.
Yes.
In the mall in Fast Times atRidgemont

SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
High.
Isn't that a fucking crazy fullcircle kind of thing?
Wild.

SPEAKER_02 (34:10):
No idea.
Yeah.
Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Moving on to Jennifer Jason Leigh, who plays
Stacey Hamilton.
So she presumably is like afreshman in high school.

SPEAKER_02 (34:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (34:24):
Yeah.
I think the– How do I put this?
Like the way that they gothrough essentially, I guess, a
year of high school is reallyinteresting because there's not
there aren't these like hugemarkers where I feel like there
normally would be or would benowadays.
You get the

SPEAKER_02 (34:39):
holidays.
You

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
do see the holidays at some point.
But also like the film, I think,presumably opens right before
the next school year starts.

SPEAKER_02 (34:48):
I think so, because like at the beginning, someone
says that she's like, Barely inhigh school, which I take to
mean she's just starting.

SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
And they don't really make that explicitly
clear.

SPEAKER_02 (34:57):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
Although I guess you can kind of read between the
lines that like that first scenein school, it's meant to be the
first day of school.
She's a little confused.
She doesn't really know whereshe's going.
So that's how that all comestogether.
So Jennifer Jason Leigh, do youwant to talk about her story now
or later?
We

SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
can.
Yeah, we can.
I mean, it's...
I attribute most of the badthings that happen around her to
the influence of Phoebe Cates'character.

SPEAKER_00 (35:27):
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (35:28):
Because Stacey looks up to her, and that's kind of
how she bases her entire way ofbeing in school.
And

SPEAKER_00 (35:38):
their friendship is interesting, because I guess
they became friends by workingtogether at that pizza shop.

SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
Because Stacey is a freshman, and...
Phoebe Cates' character ispresumably a senior.

SPEAKER_01 (35:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:54):
Because whether or not this boyfriend from Chicago
is real or not, I think he isonly because of the final scene
where she's so emotional.

SPEAKER_02 (36:01):
She, like, breaks up with him?

SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
He broke up with her.
Okay.
I guess by saying, I'm notcoming to your graduation.
And by hence, I'm not coming toyour graduation, that would mean
that she's a senior.

SPEAKER_02 (36:11):
Linda is her character's name.
Yeah.
I think Linda is not as cool asshe thinks she is and maybe does
not have...
the social circle that likemaybe that's why she's just
because the fact that like itseems like her best friend is
this freshman is kind of oddlike they don't they're not like
really around a bunch of otherfriends.

SPEAKER_00 (36:32):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (36:32):
It's just kind of like her and Stacey.

SPEAKER_00 (36:35):
Stacey definitely looks up to her.
Looks to her for guidance.

SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
Linda giving real bad advice.

SPEAKER_00 (36:40):
Real bad advice.
I mean, and at one point youmade a really interesting
comment because it's when Staceyand Damone are walking, I guess,
towards her house and she'swearing that little hair piece
with the feathers and you werelike, what's that about?
And that was the first time Iclocked the fact that she's
wearing what Linda was wearingin an earlier scene, which is a

(37:01):
really nice subtle touch ofshowing how Stacey looks to
Linda and kind of mimics whatshe does.
I

SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
think the best thing that happens to Stacey is Linda
graduating.

SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
Stacey is just so...
I mean, it seems a little...
too obvious to say this, butshe's so impressionable.

SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:22):
Like, I don't know what's gone on in her life up
until now.
And also, like, I mean, it'skind of one of those funny teen
films where you never see theparents.

SPEAKER_02 (37:29):
Which also, like, Brad's working multiple...
Like, he's always working, like,at least something.
Hard worker! Yeah, he is, like,a hard worker, but for, like, an
80s film with...
what you see to never see theparents.
I'm like, yeah, I could seethat.
Although at night, they'realways gone at night.

SPEAKER_00 (37:48):
Sure.
I mean, they're out of town forthe weekend.
There's always these reasons whythey're not there.
But I only brought that upbecause Stacey seems really
concerned about what her parentsmay or may not know.
She's constantly telling Bri,please don't tell mom and dad.

SPEAKER_02 (38:02):
Yeah.
Even the flowers that she gotfrom the 26-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 (38:05):
Yeah.
I mean, so I guess I get that.

SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
I was so happy to read that that they were just a
few months older.

SPEAKER_00 (38:13):
Yeah, they were just a couple months

SPEAKER_02 (38:15):
apart.
So I'm so happy to see that inreal life, it wasn't as creepy
as they

SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
made it.
Which again, really greatcasting because she looks
younger.
She looks so much younger thanher real age.
Like 19 years old.

SPEAKER_02 (38:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
And he looks way older.
He

SPEAKER_02 (38:26):
looked like he was every one of those 26 years.

SPEAKER_00 (38:29):
Yeah.
Before we dive a little bit intoStacey's storyline, I just want
to say to your point about Lindaand how she's not as like cool
as she thinks she is.
That to me, that is like anequal opportunity, you know,
situation between guys and girlsin terms of just like being
super insecure in high school.
And you project to, or maybe notproject is the right word, but

(38:50):
like you create this persona,this facade of what your life is
to cover up the fact that youactually, you know, whether it's
like poor self-esteem orwhatever the case may be.
I think that that's what's goingon.

SPEAKER_02 (39:01):
Well, you see it on both of those sides because
that's Damone's character.

SPEAKER_00 (39:05):
Yeah, exactly.
You

SPEAKER_02 (39:07):
know,

SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
he's just...
You know, you alluded to this atthe top of the episode.
It is hard.
It is hard to watch her story.
I do appreciate that Heckerling,to my mind, is trying to

(39:29):
actually show how unglamorous–and this is interesting to me
because this is, like, at theoutset of the 80s.
Yeah, we've probably had acouple teen flicks at this
point, especially, like, theraunchy ones– They came in
pretty early in the decade, butfor her to so early kind of turn
that on its ear and be like, no,the whole losing your virginity

(39:51):
and that whole storyline thatgets salacious in other films,
it's real and it's uncomfortableand it's really sad that this is
what happened for this girl,that she loses her virginity in
this disgusting dugout whereshe's looking at graffiti that
It's just not a romantic.
I think very intentionally so.

(40:12):
There's nothing romantic aboutthat.
It

SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
was awful.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:15):
It's awful.
It's very uncomfortable towatch.
It's super annoying.
What was the guy's name?
Ron?
Don?

SPEAKER_02 (40:23):
Ron Johnson

SPEAKER_00 (40:24):
or something?
Ron Johnson.
I mean, like, this fucking fool.
Like, what a clown.
He, like, doesn't even take herout to dinner.
He picks her up on the streetcorner, and immediately they
just go to this place.
I was just like, what a, what a,ugh, gross.
I mean, I guess at least he gother flowers, but, man, that's,
ugh.

SPEAKER_02 (40:44):
He did, yeah, he did send flowers

SPEAKER_00 (40:45):
out.
She did send flowers afterwards,but then it creates this weird
shift in her character becauseit's so clear that she didn't
like the experience.

SPEAKER_02 (40:58):
Yeah.
But then Linda just keeps ontelling her, like, oh, it gets
better.
You just have to keep doing it.

SPEAKER_00 (41:02):
Yeah, and so then she becomes, like, so narrowly
focused on trying again.
And first the attempt is withRat, and he's uncomfortable.
She's

SPEAKER_02 (41:15):
way ahead of him.

SPEAKER_00 (41:16):
She is way ahead of him.

SPEAKER_02 (41:17):
Like, experience-wise, even with just
that limited, terribleexperience, because— She's had
that and he's had like a summerwhere he couldn't even talk to a
girl that he had a crush on.
So, yeah, he was not ready forthat.

SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
For her at 15 to be like– you know, he comes into
her house.
She asks him to unzipper herdress.
Yeah.
She puts on a robe in herbedroom.
I mean it's like wild to see–just her behavior in these
moments.
I'm not trying to put a judgmenton it, but it's like, oh, you're

(41:52):
15 years old.
And so he leaves and, you know,I get it.
She feels rejected by that.
And then she sees Damone andtakes to his demeanor.
Well, because he's

SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
more like aggressive as far as like, you know,
Pursuing her.

SPEAKER_00 (42:15):
But when the rubber hits the road, so to speak, he
is very uncomfortable as wellwhen she takes him into that,
like, change house for the pool.
And I agree with her because,like, you know, when she tells
him that she's pregnant and he'slike, you wanted this more than
I did.
And she's like, no.
I fully agree with her that,like, look, it takes two to

(42:36):
tango.
So he agreed to do it.
I don't think...
I'm all about consent.
That's not a term that was usedback then.
But I think that she didn'tunduly force him to do anything.

SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
No, no.
I think she's...
Again, this is what she almosthas been conditioned to think
she should be doing.
And he has painted himself intoa corner where he is the cool
guy that's all about this life.
And it turns out...
He was not ready either.

SPEAKER_00 (43:07):
Yeah, no, I think that's a perfect way of
describing it.
It's

SPEAKER_02 (43:09):
got to be the fastest pregnancy of all time.

SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
Yeah, that too.
I mean, those little swimmerswere aggressive because.
So, yeah, I mean, thank you forkind of moving us along because.
She has sex a total of twotimes, gets pregnant.
Yeah.
Between Ron and Damone.

(43:32):
Yeah.
And then it's this whole otherstoryline where I find it
fascinating because for 1982, Idon't know if I'd use the word
refreshing, but like the candor.
With which they talk about,okay, I'm going to have an
abortion.

SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
Is really interesting to me for that
period of time.
And the accessibility.
I mean, some things I think aremovie things.
Because it's like, I am certainyou'd have to have a parent with
you if you're under 18.
And you're going to go throughthat.

SPEAKER_02 (44:01):
Probably.
Although, I think...

SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
Unless she lies, but...

SPEAKER_02 (44:04):
Yeah, there may have been...
A time where that was lessstrictly enforced, which is why
it is more strictly enforced

SPEAKER_00 (44:11):
now.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
I did not go down that rabbithole.
That

SPEAKER_02 (44:14):
was not my experience in the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 (44:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
Because I was like 10.

SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
You're a baby.
So I found that reallyinteresting.
And then here's the thing.
Here's where the heart of thewhole film is, is fucking
Damone.
He had agreed verbally to payhalf and give her a ride to the
clinic.
He doesn't do either.
He

SPEAKER_02 (44:37):
tries.
He tries.
I do not like this character,but watching the movie again, I
realized that...
He he's just like a kid and he'she's in over his head and he
makes really bad decisions andthen he runs away from any
accountability for making thosebad decisions.
So like he tried to have alittle bit of a conversation

(44:59):
with Rat.
He tried to get some of themoney, but then he totally
screwed over his like ostensiblebest friend and he just ghosted
Stacy.

SPEAKER_00 (45:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, absolutely.
I mean, when you put it thatway, it actually gives me more
consideration for this characterthan I think I had.

SPEAKER_01 (45:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:17):
You know, because you're right.
You're right on all those pointsof, like, he's not a total bad
guy.
He tries to do the right thingin a lot of cases, but doesn't
quite hit the mark.

SPEAKER_03 (45:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:30):
So in any case, because of that, she lies to
Brad, tells her she needs a rideto the bowling alley.
He drops her off.
He sees her going across thestreet, puts two and two
together.
She doesn't think she has a ridehome, but she allows them to let
her leave the clinic anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (45:49):
When

SPEAKER_00 (45:50):
she comes out, Brad's waiting for her.
It's a very kind of bittersweetscene because, you know, she
just had to go through this.
But he's so kind to her.
And it's really clear how muchhe cares about her.
It's interesting to me becausewhen the film first opens, she
walks into school and he drivesseparately.

(46:11):
I'm like, why didn't you driveyour little sister to school?
And so I didn't quite...
And they kind of bicker witheach other a little bit, a lot
about chores and things likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
But when it comes to something like this, he's a good
guy.
And he...
She knows him

SPEAKER_02 (46:25):
well enough to not tell him who did it because...

SPEAKER_00 (46:27):
Yeah, he'd probably beat the shit out of him.
Yeah.
And...
he he plays it really well likehe does ask her like who who did
this she won't tell him and thenhe's like okay like he accepts
it

SPEAKER_01 (46:40):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (46:41):
and it's it's a really great scene it's a really
great scene between the two ofthem and you know he opens the
car door for her and he's likeare you hungry like it
everything about it just hitsall the feels

SPEAKER_02 (46:51):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (46:52):
and and so that to me is like as difficult as,
like, the circumstances aroundthat scene are, it's, like, my
favorite scene in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (46:59):
I mean, he gets a couple redemption scenes from
the awful bathroom scene.

SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (47:07):
Where?

SPEAKER_00 (47:08):
When we get to his character, that's when we can
talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 (47:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (47:11):
But I haven't even gone through Jennifer Jason
Leigh's credits yet, so let's dothat real quick.
Mostly film, although a lot moreTV later in her career.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
But then we are moving into the90s.

(47:33):
She's in Backdraft, Rush, whichI remember she got a lot of
critical acclaim for.
Surprisingly, though, no Oscarlove.
Single White Female, some peoplemight think of her from that.
Short Cuts, The Hudsucker Proxy,Dolores Claiborne, Existence,
tons of film.
Road to Perdition, TheMachinist.

(47:54):
I'm not going to say thiscorrectly.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
The

SPEAKER_00 (47:59):
New York one.
Synecdoche?
Okay.
No, that's not right at all.
Synecdoche.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (48:07):
That sounded kind of the

SPEAKER_00 (48:09):
same.
So she's in that.
And then some TV work, Weeds,Revenge.
So you had mentioned we haveknocked one out of the way.
Sean Penn is an Oscar winner.
She's an Oscar nominee.

SPEAKER_01 (48:20):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (48:20):
She, as of now, has her one and only best supporting
actress nom for The HatefulEight.
She's in Amityville, TheAwakening.
So with that reboot of TwinPeaks, she was part of that, the
TV show.
Okay.
You like this movie, right?
She's in Annihilation.

SPEAKER_02 (48:36):
I do like that, yeah.
It is an interesting movie.

SPEAKER_00 (48:40):
So she's in that.
That is a really strong femalecast, correct?

SPEAKER_02 (48:44):
Very much so.

SPEAKER_00 (48:44):
I think I've only seen bits and pieces because you
have watched it a few times.

SPEAKER_02 (48:48):
It's a weird movie, kind of like one of those weird
alien types of movies, but Iliked it.

UNKNOWN (48:56):
Good.

SPEAKER_00 (48:57):
Yeah.
And then more recently, more TVwork, Atypical in Fargo.

SPEAKER_01 (49:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
Okay.
So now on to her brother, BradHamilton, played by Judge
Reinhold.
Not the first time we havebrought him up, but it's been a
minute.
Actually, two of these actors webrought up earlier for Gremlins.
So go check.
That was all the way in seasonone, I'm pretty sure.
Was it really?
I think so.
Yeah.
Season one.
Good times.

(49:22):
Yeah.
Oh, and also, I mean, that wasthe first time we brought him
up, but not the only time.
Because we also talked about himin Beverly Hills Cop.
Yes, very much.
With Intay, so go check that oneout.
But probably a couple othertimes we can talk about him
because he had a very strong80s.
He has a very small role inthis, but he is in Stripes.
Yeah, that's right.

(49:43):
So that might be one coming downthe pipeline this season.
We'll see.
I already mentioned Gremlins.
And he's been...
basically part of the wholeBeverly Hills Cop franchise.
He

SPEAKER_02 (49:54):
was in the last one, right?

SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
He was.
He was in Axel F., which wasfun, fun to watch.
And then earlier, he was part ofthe original trilogy, so 1, 2,
and 3.
Ruthless People, that would be afun one to do.
I

SPEAKER_02 (50:08):
think, yeah, that's the one that really stands out
that we should cover.

SPEAKER_00 (50:10):
Yeah, I agree.
He is in Vice Versa, A Soldier'sTale.
His other franchise, I did notknow this, is The Santa Clause.

SPEAKER_02 (50:19):
Oh, I didn't know that because I don't watch those
movies.

SPEAKER_00 (50:22):
I don't watch those movies.
But he's in the Santa Claus,Santa Claus 2, and then the
Escape Clause, which I thoughtwas very fun.
Fun title.
He is in a film which I presumeis like kind of a play on
Frankenstein.
It's called Boltnack.
So it's kind of a fun way ofputting it.

(50:42):
The O'Keefe's.
And then there was a TV series,I guess, called Easy Money that
he was part of.
Okay.
And yeah, to your point, Brad'sa really interesting character
because I just waxed on quite abit about what a great brother
he is.
But there are other things thatare like not great about him,
but how he wanted to break upwith his girlfriend, for

(51:04):
instance, so he could play thefield a little bit.
And then there's a little bit ofa karmic aspect to that.
He

SPEAKER_02 (51:10):
gets a classic Uno reverse card.

SPEAKER_00 (51:12):
Yeah.
Yep.
And then to what you werespeaking about a few minutes
ago, maybe the most notorioussequence

SPEAKER_01 (51:20):
of

SPEAKER_00 (51:20):
the film is him masturbating to Linda.

SPEAKER_02 (51:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (51:28):
And I have heard that that scene where he is
fantasizing about her and shedoes undo her bikini top is,
like, one of the most pausedmoments in, like, at that time.

SPEAKER_02 (51:43):
Yeah, part of...
Like, they talked about when...
like her having some anxietyabout filming that, including
like, were there like neighborsnear the film site that, that
might be like peeking, peekingin.
And, you know, the director waslike, you're going to be, this
is going to be on like a bigscreen.
So don't worry about that.
It's fine.

(52:04):
And, and also like, it's such ashort, short amount.
It's like such a small point inthe movie, which is funny in the
context of like, The pause issuewith all the VHS tapes where,
yeah, where it's like every timeit would get returned, there'd
be a little flicker on thatsection because it wears out the
tape if you just hold it onpause there.
But I'd also thought it wasfunny because her character is

(52:26):
like, oh, I got something in myear.
So she busts in on Brad whilehe's doing the deed.

SPEAKER_00 (52:31):
Her face when she is.
And that's

SPEAKER_02 (52:34):
because he had like he had an adult voice.
He had a dildo with him.

SPEAKER_00 (52:40):
Oh, okay.
So he had a prosthetic.

SPEAKER_02 (52:42):
Yeah, he had that with him.
So the look of shock anddisgust-

SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
She thought she was actually- Was real, yeah.
That's great.
That's great that he didn't tellher that.
That's good.
I mean, I think what- I don'twant to linger on this too much.
But the whole thing about thissequence is that it's like in a
way very meta that there was acertain segment of the
population that took to thatsequence because of like what is

(53:12):
happening where he is– it's notjust like a fantasy sequence.
It's Brad– masturbating to toher.
And anyway, I'll say that iswhat happened.
Yes.
Well, meaning the meta of it.
Like, why are people pausing it?
Exactly.
Exactly.
That's my point.

SPEAKER_02 (53:28):
They were just like cosplaying as Brad.
You know, they're just actingout what he

SPEAKER_00 (53:33):
acted out in the movie.
Exactly.
So.
All right.
Well, moving on to RobertRomanis.
Who is Damone.
We've talked about him actuallyquite a bit at this point.
I

SPEAKER_02 (53:45):
hate this guy.
Wait a second.

SPEAKER_00 (53:46):
He is still working a lot of television.
So earlier in his career, he wasin the film Foxes.
But then we have I didn'trealize this at all.
He was on Days of Our Lives fora while.

SPEAKER_01 (54:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (54:02):
So you did some soap opera work.
The TV series of fame.
So you had another film that wasturned into a show.
That

SPEAKER_02 (54:09):
was like one of the more successful adaptations.
I think

SPEAKER_00 (54:13):
so.
The Facts of Life, Fawlty TowerOxnard.

SPEAKER_02 (54:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (54:19):
A couple films, like smaller parts, The Runaways, In
the Shadows, and then has justbeyond– The TV work where he had
kind of a longer stint on thoseshows.
He's just done a ton of likeone-offs, two-offs on different
shows.

SPEAKER_03 (54:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (54:32):
Okay.
So moving on to– we've maybementioned his name, but we
haven't really talked about hima ton.
Brian Backer, who does play–like Mark Rat Ratner.
So his nickname is Rat becauseof his last

SPEAKER_02 (54:43):
name.
We've been calling him

SPEAKER_00 (54:45):
Rat, yeah.
And– You know, I think he maybehas in some ways the truest high
school experience where he'sjust awkward.
He's not sure of himself.
He's a nice guy.
He has this like part time job.
He's just, you know, he's justlike being himself.
But

SPEAKER_01 (55:00):
yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (55:00):
but also doesn't really know how to navigate the
world because he's a fuckingteenager.
So he's a very likablecharacter, I think.
And he also has like.
You know, he cares about Staceywhen she is uncomfortable when
they go to...
What is it?
Just like a medical school andthey're looking at...
They're in like a

SPEAKER_02 (55:20):
hospital, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (55:21):
Is it just a hospital?
Okay.
You're right, because they havelike the maternity ward and
everything.

SPEAKER_02 (55:26):
Yeah, when they're all taking part of the field
trip that would never happen.

SPEAKER_00 (55:30):
No, I don't think so.
I

SPEAKER_02 (55:33):
don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 (55:33):
You would...
Just a real hospital?
But he seems to just be a goodguy, so...
His career, he hasn't had acredit probably in the last 10
years, but among some of hisother projects, The Money Pit,
so he might come up again.

SPEAKER_02 (55:52):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (55:53):
two weeks.
So we can, yeah, cover that oneup.

SPEAKER_02 (55:54):
That's just, we're not doing that in two weeks.
Not cover that one up, justcover.
That's the phrase that gets useda lot.
A lot,

SPEAKER_00 (56:01):
yeah.
I do actually remember him veryclearly from Police Academy 4,
Citizens on Patrol.
Yeah.
He has a notable role in that.
Oh, really?
Yeah, he's like one of the cops.
And he kind of plays like anolder version where he's just
like awkward.
And if I'm rememberingcorrectly, it's been a while.
He, too, was on a soap, SantaBarbara.
He was in the film Loser, sothat Hagerling.

(56:21):
And then as of right now, lastcredit, 2012's Vamps.
Okay.
Okay, so moving on to Linda,Linda Barrett, played by Phoebe
Cates.
And yeah, we've talked about hera bit at this point.
She is Stacey's older friendwho, you know, doesn't have
great advice for Stacey, butthat comes out of her own

(56:45):
insecurity.
Not that it's okay, because shekind of inadvertently or
directly...
is the impetus for Stacey to bein these situations that are not
great situations.
Yeah, I

SPEAKER_02 (57:00):
mean, maybe her advice would have been better
suited for someone who was hersame year in school.
But even then, I don't thinkit's great advice.
I just think it's not asterrible consequences for taking
that

SPEAKER_00 (57:14):
advice.
Yeah, I mean, maybe somebodyeven a couple years older, I
used the term before, wouldn'tbe as impressionable.
Yeah.
But and just immediately do thethings that Linda's telling her
to do.
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (57:24):
going to just say that the advice to the 15 year
old of just have more sex.
Yes.
Is not great advice.
Yes,

SPEAKER_00 (57:32):
I agree.
So Kate's like I just mentionedwith Judge Reinhold, not the
first time that we've broughther up because she also was in
Gremlins.

UNKNOWN (57:40):
Mm hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (57:40):
I don't think we're ever going to cover this movie,
Private School, but she...
Have you ever seen PrivateSchool?
No.
I mean, it is one of the raunchyteen flicks.
Is

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
it like a Porky's kind of thing or something?
Yes, very much so.
No, I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
So she's in that.
She did return for Gremlins 2,the new batch, so she's in both
of them.
Yeah.
She is in Bright Lights, BigCity, Shag, maybe more...
I don't know.
I feel like there's definitely acult following around Drop Dead
Fred.

SPEAKER_02 (58:07):
There is, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So she's in that.
Yeah.
Bodies rest in motion.
She is Princess Caribou inPrincess Caribou.
I thought this was reallyinteresting because I don't
normally see these types ofcredits on IMDb.
She does a lot of her

SPEAKER_02 (58:20):
commercial work.
She has fewer credits than Iwould have thought.

SPEAKER_00 (58:25):
Yeah.
I mean, so, you know, foranybody who may not know, she
went on to marry Kevin Kline.
Okay.
And then they had a couplechildren, and I think– for part
of that time she devoted herselfto being a mother and then she
just I think didn't really wantto come back to the film
industry to my knowledge she haslike an antique store In New

(58:48):
York City.

SPEAKER_02 (58:49):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (58:50):
Pretty sure.
So that's kind of her thing now.
So that's why her filmography israther short because by the time
like the early-ish 90s hit, shewas kind of pivoting out.

SPEAKER_02 (59:03):
Okay.
The industry.
I did not know that.

SPEAKER_00 (59:05):
So.
Okay.
So we have a couple more peopleand a couple cameos.
First of all, Ray Wolston, whois Mr.
Hand.
He has passed.
He passed Yes.
Yeah.

(59:32):
So I have mostly film, but acouple very notable TV shows.
So really early on, he did theTV show, You Are There.
Some films, South Pacific.

SPEAKER_02 (59:43):
You Are There.
Wherever you are, you are there.

SPEAKER_00 (59:45):
Yeah.
Damn Yankees, The Apartment.
So he became really well knownin the TV show, My Favorite
Martian.

SPEAKER_02 (59:53):
Yes.
That's honestly what I wouldprobably most recognize him
from.

SPEAKER_00 (59:59):
And that is exactly what- Most people were saying
before this film came out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:05):
So he was really known for that.
Although he does have like a funlittle part in The Sting.
He's in that movie.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:13):
He is Popeye's dad.
And Popeye.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:17):
Oh, gosh.
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:19):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:20):
So he's in that.
He also was in Private School,which I never put that together.
But it's kind of funny.
He also was on Santa Barbara,the TV series.
He's in Johnny Dangerously.
He does reprise his role in theTV show Fast Times.
Okay.
So he does that.
He's in Saturday the 14thStrikes Back.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:41):
Oh, okay.
I didn't know there was a sequelto Sight

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:43):
of the Fourteen.
I didn't know either.
So I thought that was reallyfun.
Of the two, or I'm sorry, the1992 Of Mice and Men, I think
there's probably a segment ofthe population who might know
them because this show wasreally popular and I think even
got its own cult following,Picket Fences.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:58):
Yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:59):
So he was on that.
I mean, he had a prolificcareer.
Beyond everything I justmentioned, a lot of TV work in
addition.
And I think he came toappreciate, I mean, we've, we've
mentioned this now with a coupleolder actors where they were
really well known for a certainkind of work or a certain role.
And then they do somethingreally out of the box like he

(01:01:21):
did here.
And then he gains a whole newappreciation and like devoted
fan following because of it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:29):
So, cause we've kind of talked about that in the same
way about people like LeslieNielsen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:34):
That's exactly who I was thinking

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:36):
about.
Um, we've talked about it withDonald Pleasance.
Um, we've talked about, uh, AlecGuinness.
So there's an interesting kindof commonality with these older
actors and certain roles theytake later on in their careers.
Okay.
The other teacher who's justkind of briefly in the film, Mr.
Vargas, Vincent Schiavelli, hetoo has passed.

(01:02:00):
He passed in 2005.
The reason why I wanted to bringhim up is because even though he
didn't have a huge role, he wasactually– Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:02:33):
That brings the students to thehospital.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:35):
He's going through a lot.
He had to switch from Sanka toregular coffee.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:39):
Yeah.
And then he goes back.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:41):
But some of his credits, very early in his
career, one flew over thecuckoo's nest.
He also was a night shift, but Idon't think we covered him.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:50):
can't remember him from that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:53):
He also, and I don't think we covered him for this.
That's another reason I waslike, we should just finally-
Talk about this guy a littlebit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:59):
Yeah, what's going on?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:59):
He's in The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai
Across the Eighth Dimension,which we did with Owen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:05):
Look, that movie is so crazy.
I can't possibly be upset aboutnot remembering whether or not
we talked about him.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:11):
He's also in better.
I mean, there are a number offilms now that we've covered
that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:17):
He's always in these like really either a quirky
movie or a quirky role.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:21):
Because he has a look.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:22):
He does.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:23):
He has a look about him that like leans heavy into
that.
He too reprised his role for theTV show Fast Times.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:30):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:30):
I remember him in Ghost, the film.
So now we're in the 90s, themovie Ghost.
I also remember him in BatmanReturns.
He was like part of the Penguinscrew.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:39):
He

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:40):
was in The People versus Larry Flint.
Okay.
Tomorrow Never Dies, Man on theMoon.
So I wonder if he had some kindof friendship with Foreman
because he's in several of hisfilms.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:52):
Seems to happen a

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:53):
lot.
Right?
Yeah.
Before his passing, morerecently, he was in a show
called The Eddie Files, and thenjust a ton of TV work.
All right, so we have two moremain characters.
We'll probably get through thempretty quickly, and then these
cameos I keep talking about.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:12):
Oh, I just had one quick, not a correction on this
recording necessarily, but lastnight when we were watching it,
I thought Mr.
Hand was the name of the puppetfor Mr.
Garrison.
Yeah.
That's Mr.
Hat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:27):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:28):
Okay.
Totally different.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:29):
No worries.
Yeah.
Off mic conversation that wehad, so I don't know if anybody
else is going to understand.
In

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:38):
case anyone else was confused about that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:39):
I appreciate the correction.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:41):
It's Mr.
Hat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:41):
Okay.
Yeah.
So moving on to Lisa, who was...
Brad's girlfriend for a periodof time in this film.
Amanda Wyss, you think?
Weiss?
Weiss.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My guess is Weiss.
I think it's Weiss.
Yep.
And she will almost certainlycome back because of one very
notable film that, crazy enough,we haven't covered yet, which is

(01:05:05):
A Nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:06):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:07):
So she's Nancy's pal.
And we will for sure.
And that might also be thisseason.
So she's in that.
Silverado?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:15):
Yeah, we might.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:18):
You had that on the other day.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:22):
It's good.
Kevin Kline.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:26):
What's his name?
Feel the Dreams.
Kevin Costner.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:28):
Oh, both of them?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
It's

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:34):
got a stacked cast.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:35):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:36):
We have talked about her because she was also in
Better Off Dead.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:41):
That's right.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So and that one we did withMegan.
Go check that one out.
A little bit of well, the mostnotable TV series I had down for
her was Highlander, the TV show.
Yeah, there's a

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couple because the teacher was also in an episode
of the Highlander TV show.

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Oh, OK.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:00):
Not Mr.
Hat.
I mean, Mr.
Hand.
But the other guy.

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OK.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:04):
Vargas.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:05):
Vargas.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:07):
She was in the film Assassin's Fury.
And then a lot of I mean, she'sworking a lot of TV work.
So,

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OK.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:13):
Okay, so the last person we're going to cover in
depth is...
The character of CharlesJefferson, who is played by
Forrest Whitaker.
You

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got to cover him.
I mean, because he's one of theactors that went on to win an
Oscar.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:26):
Sure.
Although the other one, I'm notgoing to cover him in depth
because it was truly a cameo.
Well, a couple scenes, but maybeone line.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:33):
Spoilers.
Nick Cage is in

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:35):
this movie.
It's Nick Cage.
But not really.
We're not trying to withholdthat information.
He

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:39):
wanted to do more.
He lied about his age.
He was only 17.
They found out.
Yeah.
And then so it was scaled backconsiderably.
But you see him.
in a few scenes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:47):
Yeah, you do.
But Whitaker, so he is thefootball player who has, you
mentioned it earlier becauseSean Penn was very erratically
driving his car.
What was it, Corvette?

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:01):
Jeez, I think it might've been a Camaro.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:02):
Camaro, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:03):
Something, yeah, I think it was a Camaro, but it
was pretty nice.
And he was driving

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:08):
around with- And he loved this car.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:09):
With Forrest Whitaker's Little brother?
His character's little brother,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:14):
Genius way of covering up what they did,
though.
Yes, it was so good.
Of making it seem like the rivalfootball team had destroyed his
car.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:21):
Yeah, good timing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:22):
Great timing.
Yeah.
Great motivation, because hisbig moment in the film is when
they're playing Lincoln.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:29):
Yes, because all the shirts were like, assassinate
Lincoln.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:33):
It's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:34):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:35):
But he, you know...
I don't remember what hisposition is, but he gets a ton
of sacks, tackles.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:44):
It seemed like he was that school's version of
Aaron Donald.
Sure.
So that defensive...

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:51):
And I think the final score was like 42 to
nothing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:53):
It was bad.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:54):
It was bad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:55):
Yeah, he really took it out on him.
I would say that in real life,he might actually kill someone,
but...
But instead in this movie, hejust tackled really hard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:02):
Real hard.
And he has had a phenomenalcareer, still very much working
to this day.
Mostly films I have for him.
And then like a lot of actorsmore recently, TV work.
But he was in, and some of thesewe might cover at some point.
Actually, there's one film thatwe did cover, but I don't think
he had a big role in it.
He, over the 80s, did VisionQuest, The Color of Money,

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Platoon, Good Morning Vietnam.
So he does these likeback-to-back Vietnam War films.
He's in Bloodsport.

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That's right.
He is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:37):
Which was what our second episode?
It was our

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second episode.
He's like one of the two agentsthat are trying to bring back
Frank Dukes from the Kumite.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:49):
I probably did not point him out when we were,
cause it was so early in thepodcast.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:54):
Like we were, we recorded that in like a hallway.
Yeah.

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Hey,

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we did the best we could everyone.
So

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:01):
he's in that.
Now we're getting into thenineties.
He's in the crying game, readyto wear species.
He gets a lot of attention forthis film, ghost dog, the way of
the samurai.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:12):
He does.
Yeah.
I don't, it's a, it's ainteresting movie.
I've tried watching it.
I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:18):
So he does that.
Panic Room.
He gets an Oscar win, Best Actorfor The Last King of Scotland.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:26):
Now he does some TV work.
He's on ER for a while.
He's on The Shield for a while.
Still does some film, of course.
He's in the 2010 Repo Man.
More TV work, Criminal Minds,Suspect Behavior.
He's in the film Southpaw.
I remember he had a good role inArrival, that alien film.
Yes,

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:47):
yeah.
The alien movie that's all aboutlanguage.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:50):
Yep.
Rogue One, A Star Wars Story.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:53):
I do not love his character in Rogue One as much
as I enjoy that movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:59):
And so I'm not sure how I feel about knowing that
his character will be comingback in season two of Andor.
Like,

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:07):
not sure.
Remains to be seen.
Sorry to Bother You, BlackPanther, and then more TV work
as of late, Empire, Godfather ofHarlem, and Emperor...
Okay.
So these cameos.
He's

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:19):
been like king.
He's been emperor.
Yeah.
It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:23):
Godfather.
So cameos, you already mentionedNick Cage, Spicoli's other
buddy.
Oh, wait.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Let me back up here.
Nicholas Cage was Brad's buddy.
Yes.
So sorry for that confusion.
Okay.
But Spicoli had two very notablebuddies who were Eric Stoltz and

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Anthony Edwards.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:44):
Eric Stoltz is super obvious.
Anthony Edwards is tough becausehe looks different.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:50):
Yeah.
And he doesn't have as manylines, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:54):
And then I just wanted to quickly point out one
thing that was fun.
Bruce Springsteen's sister...
Yeah, that's

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:01):
right.
She's yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:02):
She has an appearance.
And then also the woman whoactually eventually married
Cameron Crowe, Nancy Wilson fromHeart.
She has.
Wow.
I don't know where she is in themovie, but she's in the movie
somewhere.
So.
All right.
Film synopsis.
Finally.
Ready?

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:21):
I'm ready.
Lay it on me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:22):
A group of SoCal high school students would
rather ignore their studies andinstead indulge in their teenage
distractions.

UNKNOWN (01:11:32):
I...

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:33):
hate this synopsis so

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much.
I think it's terrible.
It's

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really bad.
This is late.
Chat GPT would give me a better

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:40):
synopsis right now.
It's pretty bad and really kindof dismissive of a lot of some
of the more poignant stuff we'vealready talked about.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:50):
It looks like someone came up with a one line
synopsis based off of looking atthe poster.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So not Not a huge fan of it.
It's kind of surprising.
We

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:01):
haven't been this outspoken against the synopsis
in

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:03):
a very long time.
We've actually been verycomplimentary, I think, of it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:06):
Yeah, but this one is rubbish.
It's garbage.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:08):
So I think we've done a really good job of kind
of talking over it.
There's actually surprisingly somuch to talk about because
there's all these differentstorylines in the film.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:20):
So I think I probably know the answer to
this.
I mean...
You don't have to give just ayes or no, but in terms of
wanting to watch this filmagain.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:32):
don't want to watch it, but watching it from start
to finish last night, I feltwas...
Because there are so many sceneswhere you know that you're going
to have to somehow fuckingsurvive to get out the other end
of it.
I'm glad I watched it.
It's...
It's interesting.
Like I talked before about howit almost feels like the

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opposite of like a John Hughesteen film because it gets almost
like it gets not too real, butlike very real with what some of
the kids go through.
So I like it for like the timecapsule aspect of it, like
seeing basically the valley.
Mm hmm.
kind of close to like roundareas where we see on a daily

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basis.
So seeing something take placeback in time in that area is fun
and interesting.
The performances are good, butyeah, it's not one that I would
watch frequently just because Ifeel so bad for what happens to
some of the characters.
It's hard to get through, but Iliked it.

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I'm glad I saw it again becauseit had been a while since I've
watched it from start to finish.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:41):
Yeah, no, same.
I mean, as far as like call toaction, I'm trying to think of
any other films out there,especially from this era, where
I know I've brought this up nowa couple times, but I'm so like
just kind of in awe of thecasting of this film.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:58):
And how well they did with like picking actors who
almost uniformly went on to havesuccessful careers.
Yeah.
So I would love to know ifsomebody else can maybe point
out a similar type of film.
Where there's this like hugeensemble cast and...

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:12):
Mystic Pizza?

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:14):
Sure.
That's actually a pretty goodone, but still a smaller cast.
Yeah, yeah.
So I would love to kind of hearthoughts from other people.
It doesn't necessarily have to,I guess, be from the 80s, but
just like other films with bigensembles where they all were
kind of like hitting it out ofthe park with their careers
later on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:31):
That's such a better call to action than mine.
Mine's just like Vans, Airwalk,or Converse.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:40):
That's a good one, too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:41):
Got to pick one of those three.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:42):
So pick one and reach out to us.
You can find us at Facebook,Instagram, or Blue Sky.
It is the same handle for allthree, at 80s Montage Pod.
And 80s is 8-0-S.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:55):
Pod is P-O-D.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:57):
Did I say podge?

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:58):
No, I just decided to

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:00):
add something extra there.
I probably...
I'd do that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:03):
Anyway.
I'm sure you did not.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:05):
Sneak peek.
You don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:07):
Well...
Gosh,

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:10):
what is the clue for this one?

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:12):
Pretty common for me not to know in advance.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:15):
So we're a little bit veering back into Dramatic
Fair, but hopefully it's stillan interesting film to watch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:22):
Yeah, I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:24):
I mean, I do like this movie because the
Oscar-winning performance isreally interesting.
The best clue I could give you,actually, is probably I Am Sam.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:39):
What?
Think

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:41):
about the type of character that is featured in I
Am Sam.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:44):
Oh, my God.
I feel like I'm getting set upto...

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:47):
And then think about a similar type of film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:50):
Does it feature...
Is one of the cast Tom Cruise?

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:55):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:55):
It's Rain Man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:56):
It

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:56):
is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:57):
It is.
Was that a good clue?

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:59):
It was, yeah.
But I'm like, oh, my God, if Isay Rain Man and it's not, what
am I saying?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:03):
No, and I mean, that's actually...
probably something we can talkabout later on in terms of like
there's so much conversationaround who is appropriate to
cast for these roles where youhave somebody who um

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:16):
you could have also said this was also referenced in
Tropic Thunder

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:21):
was it

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:21):
yeah yeah for sure

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:23):
Oh, because it's...
Robert

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:24):
Downey Jr.''s character references both of
those characters,

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:29):
yeah.
Oh, okay.
All right.
So, yeah, I'm excited to talkabout this one.
We haven't talked about eitherof these actors, I think, in a
minute.
So, and this is kind of likewhat I was saying.
I think I brought this up...
I don't know why I did, and Ithink it was either Working Girl
or Amadeus, where I was like, Ilove kind of pairings of actors

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where you wouldn't normallyexpect them to be in the same
film together.
I was saying it about The Colorof Money.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:54):
Another Tom Cruise.
Tom Cruise and someone

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:57):
else.
Yeah, kind of.
So I think it's reallyinteresting for that.
Which, by the

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:02):
way, I realize how crazy that was to say Tom Cruise
and someone else.
It was Paul Newman.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:07):
Yeah, Paul Newman.
Yeah.
No, it's okay.
I get it.
So that one is next up on tap.
And in the meantime, thank youto everyone for taking the time
to listen to our podcast.
We really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:22):
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this podcast, it has been andalways will be tariff-free
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SPEAKER_00 (01:17:29):
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