Halloween III: Season of the Witch

In the finale of this year's Halloween Series, Anna and Derek chat about the irresistible allure of Dr. Challis, the ethical implications of chiseling Stonehenge, and much more during their discussion of the cult classic horror flick Halloween III: Season of the Witch (1982). 

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:09):
The festival of Sawan.
The last great one took placethree thousand years ago when
the hills ran wrecked with theblood of animals and children.
Sacrifices.
Part of our world.
Our craft.
Witchcraft.
To us it was a way ofcontrolling our environment.

(00:31):
It's not so different now.
It's time again.

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Whoa, and welcome to 80s movie montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_04 (00:39):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
And that was Dan O'Hurlihy as Mr.
Cochrane and Tom Atkins asDaniel Chalice in Halloween 3
season of The Witch.

unknown (00:51):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
From 1982.

SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
Cracks.

SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
I couldn't believe it was just 1982.

SPEAKER_04 (00:55):
Yeah, I I when I was doing my notes for it, I was
like, oh wow, it's kind of weirdto think that it's so early in
the decade.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02):
So really it comes Okay, so I'm already going all
over the place.
But that's why it's so funnybecause when uh Dan, the Tom
Ack, right?
His first name's Dan, Daniel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12):
Um, when he's in the bar and they show a clip from
Halloween, yeah, and they callit a classic, I was like, okay,
it just came out four yearsearlier.
But okay.
But yeah, Halloween three,season of the witch.
Woo-woo.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
I I mean, look, I hated this movie for the same
reason most people hated thismovie when it first came out,
and that's because I was just soused to associating the movie
Halloween with Mike Myers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40):
And I felt like what I don't think you watched this
movie when it first came out.
I did.
You would have been really,really, really little.

SPEAKER_02 (01:48):
I've seen the I saw The Exorcist when I was little,
so yes, I did too.
That was my parents snuck me inthe theater in a in a backpack.
In a backpack?
And then let me sit down andwatch.
Like Gizmo?
Yes.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
In any case, uh I love this movie.
I know I know you do.

SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
I don't hate it as much as I used to.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12):
I think I'm probably taking the stance of like
sticking up for the underdog.

SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:18):
Although I think it's come to a point where a lot
of people do love this movie.
I don't think people are sorigid anymore about because like
you, I think you said this onthe tail end of the last
episode.
You're like, there are far worseHalloween movies.
And you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_02 (02:31):
Yeah, within within the Halloween movie franchise,
this is it's not the best, butit's definitely not the worst.

SPEAKER_04 (02:38):
I'd way rather sit down and watch this again than
any of the last three.

SPEAKER_02 (02:43):
I would watch the last three again.
I probably would um I I have theRob Zombie ones probably at the
like bottom of my list.

SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
That is at the bottom of my list, too.

SPEAKER_02 (02:55):
They're just so depraved.

SPEAKER_04 (02:57):
I mean, geez, even for a horror movie.

SPEAKER_02 (03:00):
Yeah.
Uh I need I need something inbetween.
Something in between that andhis Munster remake.

SPEAKER_04 (03:06):
Yeah.
Somewhere in between.
Pendulum Swing.
Yeah.
So this also happens to be theconcluding film of this year's
Halloween series.

SPEAKER_02 (03:19):
It's true.

SPEAKER_04 (03:19):
It's very appropriate.
So I'm a little slay odd, butwe're going out on a banger, as
far as I'm concerned.

SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
Does it does it feel at this point like there's just
several months of filler beforeso we can get to our Halloween?

SPEAKER_04 (03:33):
There's like 10 months of filler.
So we can get to our Halloweenseries.

SPEAKER_02 (03:38):
Please subscribe.

SPEAKER_04 (03:39):
Please subscribe.
So let's dive in.
Uh first, let's do some writingcredits as we normally do.
I okay, so I will start with thethe one person who's credited,
but it's a little, it's a littleskewed when you if you were just
going by IMDB credits.

SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (03:58):
But let's start with Tommy Lee Wallace.
He also happens to be thedirector of this film.
This was his feature directorialdebut.
And he but he's the creditedwriter, but he's certainly like
not the person who likeoriginated this material.
However, some of his othercredits, he wrote the strictly
speaking, writing credits,Amityville 2, Cullen the

(04:20):
Possession.

SPEAKER_02 (04:22):
That I mean, similar to Halloween, that's probably
not the worst Amityville.

SPEAKER_04 (04:27):
Probably.
Oh, far from it.
Like, because we've seen enoughof them now.
I mean, we had a wholeconversation about this in the
last episode about all theAmityville's.
But he wrote that.
He wrote Fright Night Part 2.
Oh.
He did Departure from Horror,Far From Home.
However, he did write on the TVminiseries It that uh what was

(04:49):
it, early 90s?

SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Yes, yeah.
The 91 with Tim Curry asPennywise.

SPEAKER_04 (04:53):
Yeah.
And then more recently, he has awriting credit for Vampires,
Colin Los Muertos.
Am I saying that correctly?

SPEAKER_02 (04:59):
Los Muertos, the Dead.

SPEAKER_04 (05:01):
The Dead, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so moving on to theuncredited writers, one of
which, and I think this willprobably be the only time,
maybe, that we bring him up.
Of course, everybody associatesJohn Carpenter with the
Halloween franchise, as theyshould.
Uh, he originated the materialwith Deborah Hill, but he I

(05:22):
think he did a pass on thescript.
We've talked about this in otherepisodes about why there even is
a Halloween 3, which is to saythat he and Deborah Hill had
wanted this franchise to be moreof an anthology.

SPEAKER_01 (05:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (05:38):
Where so and I think even uh, I mean, maybe that's
why he signed on for the film,Tommy Lee Wallace also thought
that was like a cool approach tothe franchise, is that you'd
have a different movie everytime happening on Halloween with
like a different horror story.
I love that idea.
Like, I don't get me wrong, Ilove the lore of Michael Myers,

(06:00):
and even in the films that I bagon, there's something fun about
it because it is the lore ofthis really captivating
character that was created forthis franchise.
But I love the idea of therehaving been the could the coulda
shulda woulda of an anthology.

SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
I g I mean it's just um It's just a title then and
like a different horror.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like there's no if there'snothing.

SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
I mean, that's why it's called Halloween.
Like it the title itself, Imean, sure, Michael Myers went
on his like childhood notkilling spree, he just killed
his sister.

SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
But when he killed his parents, right?

SPEAKER_04 (06:40):
No, no, he didn't kill his parents.

SPEAKER_02 (06:41):
Okay, yeah, that's right, because they showed up
home and they showed up likeMichael.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:45):
Anyway, so I think that that made sense for why it
was even called that, if thatwas the original idea of it.
But because like, look, come on,in Halloween Kills, how old is
Michael Myers at this point?

SPEAKER_02 (06:56):
He's very spry.

SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (06:58):
For his age.

SPEAKER_04 (06:59):
But he's like so fucking old that like the whole
storyline is that he's like kindof passing along his evilness to
some younger dude who I do notgive a flying fuck about.
So that's like why that moviesucked.
Sorry.
But like don't care at all.
Uh anyway, so Carpenter had apass, I think, on this script.

(07:20):
And some of even though he'suncredited, he's very much worth
mentioning for this episode.
So let's really quickly gothrough his writing credits,
many of which he also directed.
Assault on Precinct 13, ofcourse, Halloween, The Fog,
which it's kind of grown on me atiny bit.
Really?
Don't know, I don't think it's agreat horror movie, but Atkins

(07:44):
is in it again.
Jamie Lee Curtis is in it.
Yeah.
Another instance of him hookingup with a very, very much
younger woman than himself.

SPEAKER_02 (07:54):
Um Atkins can't even control it in these movies.

SPEAKER_04 (07:57):
Women just throw themselves at him, apparently.
Except for his ex-wife.
She really hates him.

SPEAKER_02 (08:01):
But I almost included the clip when they're
in the hotel and he's like, hey,I can like sleep in the car.
Oh god.
Better than sleeping on thefloor.
And she's like, Where do youwant to sleep?
Where do you want to sleep, Dr.
Chalice?
And his response is that's astupid stupid question.

SPEAKER_04 (08:21):
He's really got the memes.
Uh Carpenter also wrote Escapefrom New York, which we did that
earlier this year.
Go check it out.
We uh we also did in an earlierseason, Halloween 2, with a a
friend who is a huge, huge fanof this franchise, minus this
movie.
But go check out that episode.

(08:43):
He also wrote Escape from LA, uhPrince of Darkness as which this
is interesting when I get intothe next writer.
So he wrote Prince of Darknessas Martin Quartermas.
That name's gonna come up again.

SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (08:57):
Uh he also wrote and directed They Live.
We did that episode a while backtoo with Bob.
Please go check that out.
That was that was a film thatwas at least introduced to me.

SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:08):
And I love it.
It's a it is a great movie.
It might be one of my favoriteCarpenter films.
Uh he did it also under apseudonym pseudonym of Frank
Armitage.
Armitage.
And then, of course, he hascredits for just all the
Halloween movies.
So Halloween 5, uh Revenge ofMichael Myers, The Curse of
Michael Myers, Halloween H2O,Halloween Resurrection,

(09:31):
Halloween, uh, even the 2017,The Rob Zombie, um, and then of
course this most recent trilogy.
So Okay.
Oh, and Ghost of Mars.
Sorry.
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (09:44):
There you go.
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (09:45):
That's Carpenter.
Next, we're moving on to NigelNeil?
Yeah, I think the case silent.
Like night.

SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (09:55):
So here's the thing.
Okay, so he has passed.
He passed in 2006.
He's uncredited.
He was the original writer onthis, but I guess he he asked to
be taken off.

SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (10:07):
Because he didn't I guess they made changes to it,
and he didn't like how violentthe film became.

SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
Didn't like how violent the horror movie became?
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (10:16):
I mean, a little little bit of a question mark
there about what he thought hewas doing, but it is pretty
violent.

SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Like what happens to the kid in the test test room is
horrific.
And then what happens to Margealso just got a note, second
movie with a Marge in it.

SPEAKER_04 (10:37):
Second and second change.
Do you know that like theactress?
She this is what is so funny tome.
So she and Tom Atkins weremarried.

SPEAKER_02 (10:44):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (10:45):
And the funniest thing in the world to me is that
like for that scene, he'shooking up with Ellie.
Yeah.
And then it cuts to this woman'sface getting whatever happened.

SPEAKER_02 (10:55):
From the uh silver shamrock uh logo device thing.
That was that was incrediblyhorrific.

SPEAKER_03 (11:03):
Horrific.

SPEAKER_02 (11:03):
Like her, it blew her face off, basically.
And then, you know, like whathappens with all of this like
weird dark magic bugs startcrawling out of her face.

SPEAKER_04 (11:12):
And it's just funny to me that Tom Atkins is like
obviously it's acting, but he'slike hooking up with this
character, and then like hisreal life wife is getting
obliterated.
Anyway, I find that funny.

SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
That is what's funny to me is that it seemed like he
was gonna go like run off withher too.
And I'm like, well, that's hiswife, so fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 (11:33):
Well, when when uh Ellie's like, what was that?
And he's like, who cares?
Go back to go back to theircnoodling.
Okay, so Nigel, if you look athis filmography, it it's not
exclusive to this property, butpretty, pretty much leans into
this quarter mass.
We got so that's where the namecomes up again.

SPEAKER_02 (11:54):
We got whole mass of quarter mass.

SPEAKER_04 (11:56):
So so I think you know, that seems to me then that
Carpenter took on that pseudonymas like an honor of him.
I would think so all thesetitles, you know, it's I I'm not
familiar.
I don't I don't really know thequarter mass experiment.
I guess it started as a TV show.

SPEAKER_01 (12:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (12:15):
And then there was the Quarter Mass X.
So instead of EXX experiment, ohthat was a film.
Okay.
Then there was a quarter thenquartermaster, a TV mini series,
then the film Quartermaster.
However, the TV miniseries hadthe Roman numerals, Quartermas
II had the Arabic too.

SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
So you could probably guess what my call to
action is gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 (12:37):
What what is this?
Yeah, and then Quartermas in thePit, that was TV mini-series,
then Quartermas in the Pit, thefilm.
Oh, then the QuartermasterExperiment, another TV movie,
uh, or no, no, no, first of theTV movies, and then Beast, so
not Quartermas and then he doesthis TV miniseries, but then the
Quartermas Conclusion, which isa film, and then Quartermasion,

(13:01):
again, TV miniseries, and thenquartermaster experiment,
another TV movie.
It was so fun to write this off.
I was like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 (13:09):
None of uh none of these seem to take place in the
80s, so he's got yeah, this guyreally made his bread and butter
on this, so that's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_04 (13:20):
So there you go.
There's Nigel.
That's Nigel.
Okay, moving on to alreadymentioned it.
This was also directed by TommyLee Wallace.
And yeah, I mean, some of thestuff that he wrote, he went on
to direct uh not horror, but hedirected the film Aloha Summer.

SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
Oh, yeah, that's not doesn't sound even sound like a
horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 (13:41):
Doesn't even sound like a horror movie, but he did
also direct Fright Night 2, parttwo, my apologies.
He also directed some of thoseepisodes of it, the TV
mini-series.
He also directed on the TVseries Flipper, not the
original, because it was likethe 50s, but I I guess there was
a remake of that uh 80s or 90s,I think.

(14:01):
Must have been 90s, and then hedid direct Vampires Colin Los
Mirtos.

SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (14:08):
So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 (14:09):
There's so many movies that could be vampires.
It could have been JohnCarpenter's Vampires, but no,
it's Los Muertos.

SPEAKER_04 (14:14):
Could have been.
So moving on to cinematography,we've brought this gentleman up
several times at this point,Dean Cundy.
He is a absolutely tremendous DPwho has done a ton in horror.
I love that he had such anaffinity for it, but he's done
far more than that.
Uh, it's I guess been a minutesince we've brought him up.

(14:37):
He came up earlier this seasonbecause he does collaborate or
has collaborated with Carpenterquite a bit over the course of
his career.
But his credits include, so veryearly on, Satan's Cheerleaders.

SPEAKER_02 (14:48):
Oh, that movie comes up a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (14:50):
Because of him.

SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:51):
I think every time we yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:53):
He was the DP on the original Halloween film, as well
as The Fog, as well as Escapefrom New York, as well as
Halloween 2.
So if you go back to thoseepisodes, you're you'll hear us
talk about him there.
He did Jaws of Satan.

SPEAKER_02 (15:08):
Jaws of Satan.

SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
He also did the thing.

SPEAKER_02 (15:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (15:12):
Uh, so go check out that episode.
We've done that too, as well asnot a horror, romancing the
stone.
Oh, yeah.
That might have been the firsttime we brought him up.
Yeah, it might have been.
Yeah.
So he also, so we've again we'vetalked about him a lot because
he also was the DP on Back tothe Future and Back to the

(15:33):
Future 2 and 3, which three weprobably did talk about a little
bit, even though technically is90, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
It's fine.

SPEAKER_04 (15:41):
He did again, the he might hold the record right now
for the DP we've talked aboutthe most.
Big Trouble in Little China.

SPEAKER_02 (15:48):
Amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (15:49):
That was what our third, fourth, fifth episode
ever.

SPEAKER_02 (15:53):
It was really early on.

SPEAKER_04 (15:54):
It's very early on, but you can go check that out if
you'd like.

SPEAKER_02 (15:57):
If you dare.

SPEAKER_04 (15:58):
We also covered who framed Roger Rabbit with him.
And up till now, this is theonly Oscar nomination that he
has for best cinematography.
Personally, I think that that'skind of ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 (16:11):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (16:12):
He also shot Death Becomes Her.
I I think he I say this everysingle time.
I think he could have gotten anomination for Jurassic Park.
I think he could have alsopotentially gotten a nomination
for Apollo 13.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
I agree.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (16:25):
Yeah.
He could have done both those.
Or gotten nominations for boththose.
Uh more recently he has donesome TV.
He did shoot on the TVmini-series, The Book of Bubba
Fett.
And then also the TV series,which I think it's coming back
soon.
Ish.
The Mandalorian.

SPEAKER_02 (16:45):
I yeah, I'm con because I think they're having a
movie come out too.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (16:49):
The Mandalorian and Grog.
Is it just called Grogo?

SPEAKER_02 (16:52):
Probably.

SPEAKER_04 (16:52):
I think it is.

SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
Really missed out on just calling them Baby Yoda
forever.
Baby Yoda.
Forever.

SPEAKER_04 (16:58):
Forever.
So there you go.
Okay.
So, oh, I was so wrong aboutthat being the only time we
bring up John Carpenter becauseobviously he did the music for
this.
So it is very Carpenter-esque.
Uh it is.

SPEAKER_02 (17:14):
It there are moments where it kind of feels like
you're here hearing thesoundtrack to one of the like
first two Halloween movies, butjust a little different.

SPEAKER_04 (17:23):
Just a little different.

SPEAKER_02 (17:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
But it hit I mean his stamp, it's look, it's fine.
Like there are plenty ofcomposers out there who just
have a certain sound whereyou're like, oh, that sounds
very familiar.

SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (17:38):
And and it's kind of funny to me that more people
maybe don't think about him as acomposer.
Obviously, I didn't because Iforgot that we were going to
bring him up again.
But uh he has partnered a lot.
So this is a partnership as faras the composing credits go
between him and Alan Howarththat he has worked with a ton.
Uh we'll start with Carpenter'scredits, although there's

(18:02):
there's gonna be a fair amountof overlap between the two of
them.

SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
So it's not one-to-one.

SPEAKER_04 (18:07):
No, it's not it's not one-to-one.
But for Carpenter, I mean, Ifeel like I don't want to speak
out of term, but I think hepretty exclusively composes on
all the films that that at leasthe directs.
So he does have composingcredits on Assault on Priest13,
Halloween.
Oh, he didn't direct Halloween 2though, but The Fog, Escape from

(18:27):
New York, Halloween 2, Escapefrom LA, Christine.

SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
Yeah.
You can there there was like acertain sound effect that he
would use in Christine that Iheard a lot in Halloween 3.

SPEAKER_04 (18:38):
And actually, I was when I was reading through some
notes, uh when Marge notices thelittle, what is it called again?
Like the little kind of uh uhthe silver samrock device.
The device that they put in allthe masks.
I guess like the I shouldn't saystinger, but there was like a

(18:59):
piece of music in the momentwhere she discovers it that I
guess was pulled from the fog.
Oh.
So he he does steal fromhimself, I guess.
But that's fine.
You can do that if it's stealingfrom yourself.
Also, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
I mean, that happens that happens a lot.
I mean, we talked about thatwith was it James Horner for um
Star Trek 2 and Aliens.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:19):
You know, the fact that all these masks are
supposed to have like the wholereason why they do what they do
is because there's a teensytinsy piece of Stonehenge.

SPEAKER_02 (19:27):
Yes.
It's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (19:28):
That's a lot of Stonehenge, though, if you add
it all up.
Like this.

SPEAKER_02 (19:32):
All it takes is a particle, though.

SPEAKER_04 (19:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (19:34):
Just a part.
My favorite thing is that theyactually manufactured masks from
the movie to sell to promote themovie.

SPEAKER_03 (19:43):
Love it.

SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
Parents, what are you doing?
I think it's hilarious.
Because I I mean, can youimagine some parent getting them
the mask and then being like, ohwait, what does it do?

SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
Yeah, what it's it's supposed to do.
I mean, going back to theStonehenge thing though, like as
a I mean, you made a funny pointoff, Mike, that like technically
Cochrane would be a warlock.

SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:09):
Not a witch.
But I would think within thatworld that it wouldn't it'd be
frowned upon for him to bedesecrating Stonehenge by like
chipping away pieces of it forhis own purposes.

SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
Yeah, you know, they played real fast and loose with
all that stuff.
There was some at like aComic-Con or some kind of
convention, somebody asked thedirector about some of that
stuff, like how that all worked,and his response was it's just
magic, man.

SPEAKER_04 (20:40):
No.
Yeah.
Need answers here.

SPEAKER_02 (20:43):
That was it.

SPEAKER_04 (20:44):
So it's like I I can only imagine what I feel like
there's a lot of like reverencefor the things like Stonehenge
and and like witchcraftery, youknow, like I feel like it would
not be taken well to like evenif we're taking little pieces,
like I don't He's like, we hadsuch a time getting it here.

SPEAKER_02 (21:08):
What an amazing story.
And then that's it.
Or you would never believe it.
And then they're like, let'sjust move on with the movie.

SPEAKER_04 (21:17):
I love how they're like, this is how we'll appease
people.
But Carpenter, so go check outChristine.
We did we do that one just lastyear?

SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
I think so.

SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
Uh love that movie too.
He also composed on Big Troublein Little China, Prince of
Darkness, They Live, In theMouth of Madness, Vampires,
Ghost of Mars, the 2022Firestarter.
And then he does also, I willsay this for the most most
recent trilogy.
I've said it before.
I do love kind of the upgrade tothe music.

SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
It's like bumped up just enough.
It's the right amount.

SPEAKER_04 (21:50):
It's really good.
Yeah.
It's really good.
Okay.
So moving on to Alan.
Uh he also kind of like did hisown, like, it's kind of funny
that Carpenter, you know, hewent away from the Halloween
franchise for a little bit, butHoworth didn't.
So his credits include Escapefrom New York, Halloween 2,

(22:12):
Christine, Big Trouble in LittleChina, Prince of Darkness.
But then we have Halloween Four,The Return of Michael Myers,
They Work Together Again andThey Live.
He also has a credit forHalloween five, The Revenge of
Michael Myers, Halloween, theCurse of Michael Myers, and
Dante's Hotel.
Okay.
Okay.
Moving on to the editor of thisfilm, she did have a great

(22:36):
career, but not really um not aton of like film cinematic
releases.
So she passed Millie Moore in2015.
Two of the films that I have forher, I don't know either of
these, but I thought they werefun titles.
The Man Who Skied Down Everest.
Oh, I got that one.
And The Great Texas DynamiteChase.

SPEAKER_02 (22:58):
Sounds like fun.

SPEAKER_04 (22:59):
However, of her 42 editing credits, 28 are TV
movies.
So that's kind of where the bulkof her career was.

SPEAKER_02 (23:10):
And that's She did edit on um on a movie called
Johnny Got His Gun.

SPEAKER_04 (23:15):
Oh, I did see that.

SPEAKER_02 (23:17):
Which was used in the video and was like part of
the Metallica song one.

SPEAKER_04 (23:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (23:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:25):
Nice little trivia.
Yeah.
There.
Okay.
We are at the stars of thisfilm.
Starting with Tom Atkins, whoplays Dr.
Daniel Chalice.
Dr.

SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
Dan.

SPEAKER_04 (23:40):
He he's fun.
I mean, he had a very differentrole in Escape from New York.
Uh, that's the first time thatwe brought him up on this
podcast.
Um, oh no, that's not true.
He wasn't lethal weapon as well.
So he was really close to eachother.

SPEAKER_02 (23:56):
He was like the friend who was not a very good
friend.

SPEAKER_04 (23:59):
No, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Lethal Weapon, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:01):
Yeah.
So he has come up actually acouple times, and I'm very
excited because like in thefuture, I want to do both Creep
Show and Night of the Creeps.
And he's in those.
I was almost going to do Nightof the Creeps this year, but I
was like, he's gonna be featuredso prominently in Halloween 3
that I wanted to space it out alittle bit more.
So even though it's only beensince earlier this year that we

(24:21):
brought him up, let's go overhis credits.
Uh, some early work intelevision.
We have him on the TV seriesSirpico.
Sir Pico.
Sirpico, as well as the TVseries of the Rockwood Rockford
Files.
He, as I mentioned, I think Imentioned, yeah, because he
hooks up with Jamie Lee Curtisin the fog.

(24:42):
I mean, it's such a funny introbetween the two of them in that
movie where she's hitchhiking.

SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
He picks her up and then she's like, Are you weird?
And he's like, Yeah, and she'slike, Awesome.
So glad you're weird.
It's such a strange anyway.
But it's funny because uh hischaracter in that film is Nick
Castle.
I know I bring have brought thisup before, but Nick Castle is
the actor who played theoriginal Michael Myers.

SPEAKER_01 (25:09):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
Yeah, so that's kind of a fun little wink and a nod.
Uh, as I mentioned, he was inEscape from New York.
As I also mentioned, he is inCreep Show and Night of the
Creeps, which certainly will beon tap for future Halloween
series.

SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
I mean, I'm just gonna say Creep Show is probably
gonna be next year.
One of the movies next year.

SPEAKER_04 (25:29):
I mean, I also really want Isle of the Graves.
Maybe we're just gonna have tospace him out.

SPEAKER_02 (25:32):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (25:33):
One won't be the first, one won't be the last.
He was in Lethal Weapon.
That was maybe our season finalelast year.
Could have been.

SPEAKER_02 (25:42):
Could it could have been.

SPEAKER_04 (25:43):
I did make it a holiday.
Yeah.
Holiday film.
So go check that one out.

SPEAKER_02 (25:48):
It is.
It's mostly a Christmassy movie.

SPEAKER_04 (25:51):
I mean, people there are some people who make that
argument where they're like,well, if Die Hard's a Christmas
movie, Lethal Weapon is too.
I don't agree.

SPEAKER_02 (26:00):
No, I think it's more like Die Hard definitely
is.
So because Die Hard is, then Ican kind of maybe think of
Lethal Weapon as one too.

SPEAKER_04 (26:10):
I mean, if you want to think of Link Lethal Weapon
as a holiday film, I don'treally care.

SPEAKER_02 (26:15):
I just I mean, it's a movie.
I think it is.
It's a it's got like excessivepolice violence, potential
suicide.
It's got everything.
It's got a couple Christmascarols.
It's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:27):
So Atkins, also a manioc manioc.
A maniac.
Maniac cop.

SPEAKER_02 (26:33):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (26:34):
Bob Roberts.
Oh, yeah.
He had a part in the 2009 MyBloody Valentine.
We did the original last year.
We gotta throw that one onagain.
I do love that movie.
Yeah, it's it's uh has the bestclosing credit song ever.
Yeah, it does.
Uh he was on the TV series ofcreep show, but not the same

(26:55):
character.
Oh.
And I mean, he's still he'sstill working, he's done tons of
other TV work.
And yeah, he I don't know.
I just enjoy watching him.
He's just a fun actor.
He's good, yeah.
He's really good.
You know, and he kind of ownsthe character in this film where
like it's just, you know, likehis phone calls with the ex-wife

(27:18):
where he keeps bailing on takingcare of the kids.

SPEAKER_02 (27:21):
Oh my god, over and over and over again he bails on
her.
And at a certain like when youfirst see him interact with her,
you're like, oh, she's not she'snot that nice and whatever.
But then he just he's supposedto like get the kids in like
over and over again.
So then at the end, when he'strying to call her to tell her
what him put the masks on, yeah,you can just hear like a screw

(27:41):
you or or something.

SPEAKER_04 (27:42):
And so like And it's it's uh warranted because he's
kind of a shitty absent dad.
And also he gets the kids reallyshitty masks.
Like, you know, it's one ofthose things where this season,
season of the witch, yeah, thatthe kids wanted the silver
shamrock masks, and he comes inand gives them these like shitty
cheapo masks, and then she hasto be like, No, I already got

(28:05):
them the mask that they wanted.
Well, he got them the masks thatwouldn't kill him, so this is
true, but without them knowing,without them knowing that those
masks are gonna kill them, theoptics are like, Oh, you're just
like totally out of touch withyour kids.
And and actually, oh, realquick, this came up a couple

(28:26):
episodes ago.
His son, he is um the kid fromNear Dark.

SPEAKER_02 (28:30):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (28:31):
He's just littler.

SPEAKER_02 (28:32):
Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (28:33):
Yeah, but it's the same kid.

SPEAKER_02 (28:34):
Man, that that kid's parents really wanted to be in
movies that were kind of non-kidappropriate.

SPEAKER_04 (28:41):
Uh yeah.
So I do really enjoy him inthis.
I mean, it is very funny that heI mean, there was like the one
scene, okay.
So when Ellie's dad comes intothe hospital and they basically
like stabilize him, and Atkinsis walking down the hallway with
the nurse, yeah, and he's justlike, I should have married you,

(29:04):
and then he like slaps her onthe ass.
And and she's like, Oh, Dr.
Chalice, you know, like first ofall, not great, but it's just so
funny to me that in this film,minus the ex-wife, yeah, all
these women are just like, oh,you know, around him.
Like it's really weird.

SPEAKER_02 (29:24):
It's yeah, no, no one can resist Dr.
Chalice.
I mean, yeah, I don't know if hehad a piece of Stonehenge or was
some magic going on or somethingwas going on.

SPEAKER_04 (29:35):
And like the poor, I feel so bad for it.
Seems like they had like kind ofa, I don't know if they were
like friends with benefits kindof situation, but that
laboratory.

SPEAKER_02 (29:45):
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (29:47):
Yeah, like that's the sense I got like certainly
more than friendship, but notcommitted in any way.
Uh like, yeah, like every womanthat he interacts with.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Has this weird anyway, it's justfunny to me.
So speaking of, next personwe're gonna cover, the character
Ellie Grimbridge, played byStacy Nelkin.

(30:11):
So yeah.
Uh apparently the actress hadnever seen the first two
Halloween movies when she wasoffered this role.

SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
That helps probably.

SPEAKER_04 (30:24):
Yeah, I think I from what I read, she I mean, I think
that's probably why most actorsshe took the role because she
loved the character, but didn'trealize that this was like a
huge departure from from likewhat people had known of the
Halloween franchise so far.
Yeah.
So in any case, I think she'salso done.
I when I was like readingthrough notes, I was reading a

(30:45):
lot of like at a horror con, ata horror con.
So I think she's also embracedthe fact that she's part of this
outlier film, and people seem tolove her for it.
But you know, her character, Isay this every time we watch
this film, I'm like, your daddied like two days ago, and
you're like hooking up with somerando you just met.

SPEAKER_02 (31:08):
She comes in on a Sunday, and I know this because
they put like in pretty big textat the bottom, they give us a
real good breakdown of thetiming for everything.
And so he dies on a Saturday, Ithink.
She's in on a Sunday, Wednesday,I think, is when they're at the
bar.
Okay and and things move on fromthere.

SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
Okay, so like four or five days later.

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
With the famous scene in the bar where she's
like, You're Dr.
Chalice.

SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
He's like, I know.

SPEAKER_02 (31:36):
And then he says, You're Ellie.

SPEAKER_04 (31:38):
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (31:42):
They really breeze through those introductions.

SPEAKER_04 (31:44):
I think it was the other way around.
I think it's them introducingthemselves and they're like, I
know.
Yeah.
And instead of saying, like, belike, You're Derek Dinky.
I know.
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
That would have been even better.

SPEAKER_03 (31:57):
That would have been even better.

SPEAKER_02 (31:59):
But it turns it into like a fucking airplane movie.

SPEAKER_04 (32:04):
I love that though.
Uh yeah, I mean, I do reallylike her in this role.
I think she's really good.
Yeah.
And they do have like a weirdchemistry.

SPEAKER_02 (32:14):
So it is a weird chemistry, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (32:16):
I guess it works.
Uh as far as her credits go, I Imean, she she definitely has
been working not as extensive aslike other people, I think we
have yet to go through.
But earlier in her career, shewas on a TV show called The
Chisholms.
The say what now?

SPEAKER_02 (32:35):
The Chisholms?
The Chisholms?

SPEAKER_04 (32:38):
How would you say that?
Chisholms?

SPEAKER_02 (32:40):
Yeah, I think so.
I don't think I would say theChisholms.

SPEAKER_04 (32:44):
She was on in a film called Serial, Going Ape, or not
question mark.
Excellent.
Exclamation point.
Get crazy.
She was on the TV seriesGenerations.
She was in the film BulletsilverBroadway, which I didn't
realize.
Uh The Forest Hills, and thenshe has over the course of her
career made multiple TVappearances.

(33:06):
That's gonna be a common refrainfor like basically everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (33:09):
Uh there's a uh there's a movie that she was in
in 2022 called Quakasaurus.
Love it.
And her name, Dr.
Cochrane.

SPEAKER_04 (33:18):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (33:19):
That had to be a wink to had to be.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:22):
Speaking of, the next person I'm gonna cover, you
say his name better than I do.

SPEAKER_02 (33:27):
Dan O'Hurley.

SPEAKER_04 (33:29):
Thank you.
And he plays is it Con Conell?

SPEAKER_02 (33:35):
I just call him Mr.
Cochrane.

SPEAKER_04 (33:37):
Mr.
Cochrane.

SPEAKER_02 (33:38):
But probably Connell.

SPEAKER_04 (33:39):
Connell.

SPEAKER_02 (33:40):
Probably Connell Cochrane, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
Yeah.
So the actor, he he has beenpassed for a while.
He passed away in 2005.
And this gentleman, first ofall, he does they they did the
thing that they do in so manyhorror movies that I love, where
they bring in one like heavyhitter.
Like they bring in one actor whohas like real street cred.
And I mean, this guy was anOscar nominated actor.

(34:04):
Yeah.
And and I just I do really lovewhen they do that.
I mean, sometimes they're alittle bit more high profile,
like with you know, George C.
Scott in The Changeling orGargory Peck in The Omen.
But it is very fun to me whenmost of the time they have just
like at the time actors thatmaybe most people aren't

(34:25):
familiar with, and then theyhave just this like one person
who is this like very well knownand he's great in this.
Yeah, he is great.

SPEAKER_02 (34:33):
He's I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:34):
He totally owns it.
And I read that like apparentlyhe did enjoy making the film,
but he didn't think that it waslike that great of a movie.
Well so let's go through hiscredits.
I didn't put this in becausejust to give you a little bit of
like context.
Back in 1948, he was in the filmMacbeth.

SPEAKER_02 (34:58):
Oh, yeah, I've heard of that.

SPEAKER_04 (34:59):
With Orson Wells.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Holy shit.
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (35:02):
So yeah.
And then pretty early in hiscareer is when he got his Oscar
nom.
He got a best actor Oscarnomination for Robinson Crusoe.
He was in, I have mostly filmsfor him.
He was in The Virgin Queen, OneFoot in Hell.
Um, my guess is this is aremake.
It's 1962's The Cabinet ofKaligari.

(35:25):
Oh he was in a TV series calledI mean, he did a ton of TV, but
as far as like projects where hehad a longer stint, he was on
the TV series The Long HotSummer.
He was in the film How to Stealthe World.

SPEAKER_01 (35:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (35:41):
Another TV series called A Man Called Sloan.
I didn't realize this.
He's in The Last Starfighter.

SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
Yeah, I think I'd have to double check, but I
think I know who he is.

SPEAKER_04 (35:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (35:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (35:56):
He maybe came up.
I don't know if he did.
There were a lot of, it wasactually a pretty big ensemble
cast, but we did cover Robocop.
He probably was brought up.

SPEAKER_02 (36:06):
Yeah, he's the old man in Robocop.

SPEAKER_04 (36:09):
Yeah, so probably, but I just know that there were
a lot of other people we talkedabout in that film.

SPEAKER_02 (36:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:13):
Uh but go check out that one.
We did that.

SPEAKER_02 (36:16):
He did the firing.

SPEAKER_04 (36:17):
He did the firing.

SPEAKER_02 (36:18):
Yeah, at the very end, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:19):
And he came back for Robocop 2.
He also was in the original TVseries of Twin Peaks.
And as mentioned, just besidesthese other TV series where he
had like a longer stint on them,just a lot of TV work.
So okay, moving on to MichaelCurry.
So he plays Rafferty.
Rafferty is the like motelmanager.

SPEAKER_02 (36:42):
With like the super exaggerated accent.

SPEAKER_04 (36:45):
Yeah, like he's very and he's like very oh shucks,
and you know.
So uh he has passed as well.
He passed in 2009, but he alsohad a very distinguished career
before he passed on.
Some of his credits include theearlier in his career, the TV
series Dark Shadows.

(37:06):
He was in the film Any Which WayYou Can.

SPEAKER_02 (37:09):
Oh, yes.
The classic comedy about, Ithink, a truck driver who also
makes money on the sidefighting, and he also does all
of his traveling with anorangutan.

SPEAKER_04 (37:18):
That's it, right?

SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
Named Clyde.

SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
Okay.
Named Clyde.

SPEAKER_02 (37:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (37:22):
He was also on the TV series Soap.
And then um, I have, I think therest are all films, Dead and
Buried, Sudden Impact.

SPEAKER_02 (37:31):
Yeah, he's in a few Clint Eastwood movies.
That's that's Firefox, one thatwe may eventually cover.

SPEAKER_04 (37:37):
Oh, I didn't even name that one.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (37:39):
I know.

SPEAKER_04 (37:40):
Uh he was also in the Philadelphia experiment, the
Deadpool.

SPEAKER_02 (37:45):
Was that a that was a Stephen King movie.
Got it.
Wait, no, Deadpool.
I was thinking of Dead Zone.

SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
The Deadpool.

SPEAKER_02 (37:52):
The Deadpool is a dirty hairy movie.
Okay.
I think it was like maybe thefirst Jim Carrey, first movie
that Jim Carrey was in.
Where he was like a rock starlip syncing to Welcome to the
Jungle.

SPEAKER_04 (38:04):
Yes.
I rem I think you've shown methat.

SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
The video, like the the scene from the movie where
Jim Carrey is singing Welcome tothe Jungle, I encourage everyone
to see it.
It is it is like wildly bizarre.
It is intentionally, but likeseeing like Jim Carrey just go
completely manic singing thatsong.
And it's to the like the likethe whole music video they're
making is supposed to be a playon The Exorcist.

SPEAKER_04 (38:29):
It's all very strange.

SPEAKER_02 (38:30):
And the music video is being directed by Liam
Neeson.

SPEAKER_04 (38:34):
Okay.
So he's in that.
Yeah.
G.I.
Jane.
And then besides all that otherwork, uh, same as most of these
people, a lot of TV appearances.
Okay, moving on to Nancy Keys.
Uh, I wanted to bring her up.
She's really not in it verymuch.
She's Linda Chalice.
She is Dan's ex-wife,disgruntled ex-wife, but for

(38:58):
very good reasons.
Uh part of the reason why Ibrought her up was because she
actually was married to TommyLee Wallace.

SPEAKER_02 (39:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (39:06):
So she was married to the director at the time.
In fact, I think she wasexpecting their child while she
filmed this.
And she has a couple reallynotable other roles.
Yeah, if she looked familiar, Ithink for the most part she
hasn't been doing a ton ofacting, but there is like a fun
little comeback she made.

(39:27):
So she was in Assault onPrecinct 13.
So she is one of Lori Strode'sfriends in Halloween.
That meets her end.
Uh, she is the sheriff'sdaughter.
And I think that's the onlyreason why she has a credit for
Halloween 2, because it'sbrutal.
Like Halloween 2, you know, theywheel her out and he comes and

(39:50):
realizes that it's his owndaughter that has been killed,
and they like I think show herreally quickly.
So m maybe must have been reallyher on a Gurney.
Uh so she's in that.
She actually has a very, veryfun role in The Fog.
That would might be one of thereasons why I would want to do

(40:11):
that film for the podcast,because she plays like an
assistant to um oh my gosh,what's her real name?
It's uh Jamie Lee Curtis's mom.
And she's just like the snarkyassistant who always has like a
snappy little comeback.
Okay.
And she she's very fun in thatmovie.

SPEAKER_02 (40:34):
She got to do a little bit of that in Halloween
three.

SPEAKER_04 (40:37):
Yeah.
I mean, she's just mostly pissedoff.

SPEAKER_02 (40:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:40):
But yeah, so she's she's really fun.
She okay, so this is why I addedthe years to this, because she
was in a TV mini-series calledLadyboss.
That was all the way back in1992.
And then her next credit is justfrom last year.
So she had like what a 30-yeargap.

(41:01):
Wow.
Uh, a film called Hauntology,which I thought was very, very
fun.
Haunt, like Hauntology.
Yeah.
Okay.
H-A-U-N-T.
So that is Nancy Keys.
Okay, moving on to the how doyou say this family's last name?
Cup Kupfer?

SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (41:22):
Oh yeah.
Geez, we gotta talk about them,huh?

SPEAKER_04 (41:24):
We gotta talk about the Kupfer family.
Um I feel so they introduce themnot in the most not in the best
light.
Like they're all kind ofobnoxious.
They are.
Every single one of them.
Uh the kid's a brat total flipsoff his mom.

SPEAKER_02 (41:42):
Complete little asshole.

SPEAKER_04 (41:44):
Little asshole.
She, I mean, she's probably theleast offensive.

SPEAKER_02 (41:49):
Um and she like makes this really lame joke as
the like mask was starting to doits thing.
Yeah.
And she's just like laughing.
I'm like, it was not that funny.

SPEAKER_04 (42:00):
She laughed at her own joke.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and then her husband, Imean, his name's Buddy, and then
their kid's name is LittleBuddy.
So that gives you little buddykind of an idea of what that
family dynamic is.
Uh, so we'll start with the dad,Buddy Kupfer, played by Ralph
Strait.
He passed quite a ways ago.
He did pass in 1992.

(42:22):
Um, so 10 years after this film.
And for all the people, uh, allthe actors who comprise this
family, none of them have verylong filmographies, but for
Ralph Strait, we have the SuperCops, the Beastmaster.

SPEAKER_02 (42:38):
I still go back and forth on whether or not we'll
we'll cover that.
Maybe, maybe at some point.
I do remember him from that.

SPEAKER_04 (42:45):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:47):
And they call me Bruce.
Those are the three films that Iyou've seen it?

SPEAKER_02 (42:52):
I don't know if we could ever do they call me
Bruce.
I don't it is it is like uh alot of jokes that I'm not sure
how they would play.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:04):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (43:05):
But I I thought it was whole like I I watched, I
saw it when I was a kid, and I'mlike, this movie is really
funny.
And now I'm like, Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
And then he also did a lot of TV work.
Okay, so moving on to the wife,Betty Kupfer, played by Jadine
Barbour.
So for her, um, seven totalacting credits, so not an
extensive career, but she was inthe film Funny Lady, and then
also comprising those credits,like some TV appearances.

(43:35):
Okay.
So that's for the most part forher.
And then lastly, we have LittleBuddy.

SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
Little Buddy.

SPEAKER_04 (43:40):
This was his first acting credit played by Brad
Schachter.

SPEAKER_02 (43:46):
Yeah, I think that's right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:47):
All right.
He has a couple fun credits.
I mean, also a pretty shortfilmography, six total acting
credits.
But one of them is he voicedSchroeder on the TV movie It's
an Adventure, Charlie Brown.
That's fun.
Which I thought was kind of fun.
Yeah.
So he has a really similar jumpin credits as Nancy Keyes.
So he was in the TV movie Fearin 1990.

(44:11):
And then his next credit is afilm called The Third Channel
from 2023.
So he also has like a 30-yeargap between credits.
And uh that's pretty much it.
That's what we got for him.
That's what we got.
Okay, so the last person I'mbringing up, uh a little bit
just because we I thought it wasfun to kind of connect the dots

(44:33):
with his career a little bit, isthe character of Starker.
So Starker is kind of uh the Idon't know, I not not not a nice
way to say this, but like thedrunkard that Chalice comes
across in town.
All right, who is like the oneperson who kind of gives it to
him straight.

SPEAKER_02 (44:54):
Well, he's like, yeah, it's it's real weird
because uh Dr.
Chalice is walking back, eventhough there's supposed to be
like a curfew.
But he's walking back from theliquor store, and this guy just
walks up and he's like, Hey man,I see you got a bottle.
I am I don't have any diseases.
And they start sharing thisinformation.

(45:15):
They're like, Dr.
Chalice is Dan is just like,good enough for me, let's start
talking.
So he's like, Well, can you tellme about this uh Silvo Sharmack?
What's going on?

SPEAKER_04 (45:23):
Yeah, it is a very funny, not very nuanced kind of
like I wouldn't sayinterrogation, but just like his
he's not a very suave detective,but I mean I guess he that's not
what he trained to be.
He is a doctor.
He is a doctor, damn it.
Damn it, I'm a doctor, not adetective.
So it is a kind of funny littleback and forth between the two

(45:47):
because Starker, I don't know ifit's like the whole, you know,
alcohol has you tell the truthor whatever that saying is, but
he he really goes off on SilverShamrock.
And I think he's like, fuck you,Cochrane.
And but then he's also like, Itry to get a job there, and he I
think that's when he tellsChalice that like every single

(46:08):
person who works there was likeimported, which is like, oh,
because they're all androids.

SPEAKER_02 (46:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:14):
So at least that's the way we're I don't think
they're called androids, butthat's how we've been referring
to them.
Yeah, I call them magic robots.
Magic robots.
So Starker then gets I mean, hehas a pretty memorable death
scene because he gets chaseddown by two of those guys, two
of those androids, and juststraight up gets his head ripped

(46:39):
off.

SPEAKER_02 (46:39):
Yeah, like one of them is behind him, one of them
is in front.
Yep.
They both grab his head and justpull up.

SPEAKER_04 (46:46):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (46:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:47):
It's not a little twist.

SPEAKER_02 (46:50):
There's a little bit of a twist.

SPEAKER_04 (46:51):
Also, the the framing of the wide shot is kind
of funny because it's like kindof in the dark, and it's like
two guys with another guy on hisknees.
Like it anyway.
It was suggestive.
It was suggestive a little bit,I would say, and I don't think
that would have gone over theheads of other people working on
the film, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (47:09):
So they're like, are we filming Halloween three or
slow to blow?
What's going on here?

SPEAKER_04 (47:16):
So played by the long reveal, Jonathan Terry, who
we brought up for the return ofthe living dead.
Nice.
Because he is the what, the uhgeneral?
Is he a general in that film?
Oh, is he?
Is he he is that guy who's likewho claims he had lamb chops for
lunch and everything sucks, andhe's a very angry husband and

(47:39):
also he nukes that towncatastrophically miscalculated
uh the outcome of that missilestrike on on the town.
Yeah.
So that's him, same guy.
Uh, which I think shows hisrange because he plays two
wildly different charactersbetween these two films.

SPEAKER_02 (48:00):
They couldn't be more different.

SPEAKER_04 (48:01):
Yeah, so it's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_02 (48:02):
Because that general is not going down, getting his
head ripped off like some punk.

SPEAKER_04 (48:05):
No, absolutely not.
So some of his credits, uh, andI said this the last time that
I'd like to maybe cover thisfilm at some point.
He's in Cutter's Way against allodds, as we've just been talking
about.
He is in The Return of theLiving Dead, and he comes back
for Return of the Living Dead 2.
Yeah, why not?
He was in the TV seriesHomefront, and then he might

(48:28):
just be retired at this pointbecause his last credits from
2015, and it is for a filmcalled Little Paradise.
Film synopsis.

SPEAKER_02 (48:39):
What do we got?

SPEAKER_04 (48:40):
Kids all over America want silver shamrock
masks for Halloween.
Dr.
Daniel Chalice seeks to uncovera plot by Silver Shamrock owner
Connell Cochrane.

SPEAKER_02 (48:54):
That is not a great synopsis, and I think it does a
bit of a disservice to thismovie.

SPEAKER_04 (49:01):
Yeah, I think they could have just played a little
bit more into the mystery oflike who the owner is.
Like, I mean, I don't know.
You don't really need to saykids all over America want uh
whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (49:14):
It's it sets it up, I guess, but yeah, an ancient
warlock observing that theplanets have aligned in time for
the largest sacrifice in 3,000years.

SPEAKER_04 (49:27):
Good job.

SPEAKER_02 (49:28):
That's just right off the cuff.

SPEAKER_04 (49:30):
Yeah, no, that's much better, especially the
delivery of it.
So that would be fun if on IMDByou could have like an audio
file of the way people wouldread these off.
Yeah, I mean, sure.
It gets it gets kind of to whatthe film is about.
I mean, the film, I don't know.
I just it's look, I'm not sayingit's a great movie.

(49:52):
I just think it's a lot of funto watch.

SPEAKER_02 (49:53):
It's a film with androids who are surprisingly
fragile yet strong.
And if you kill them, they spitout uh frozen orange juice,
apparently, is what they use.
So that's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_04 (50:05):
No, the androids they're really interesting.
Like, first of all, that seemslike a lot of work to do.
Like if you're a warlock.
If you're a warlock, can't youjust like Jedi trick like mind
trick people instead of havingto go through all the work of
building androids?

SPEAKER_02 (50:24):
I mean, maybe, but even if you like control mind
control them, they have likefamilies or a lot of loose ends.

SPEAKER_04 (50:29):
If you just have like uh But it's uh it's left
like a little ambiguous becausewhen Dan and Ellie are driving,
initially driving into town,Santa Mira.

SPEAKER_02 (50:38):
There are real people in there.

SPEAKER_04 (50:39):
There and they and they seem to kind of be under
some kind of spell.

SPEAKER_02 (50:44):
They're all acting real weird.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:45):
So it's like so it seems like he kind of already
did that.
So why do you need all theandroids?
Like it seems like all thetownspeople are not welcoming
and that they will, so to speak,tow the company line.

SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
Maybe the uh magic doesn't work on the android, so
they're important for testingpurposes.

SPEAKER_04 (51:01):
Yeah, sure.
I mean, also the androids areall in like three-piece suits.

SPEAKER_01 (51:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (51:07):
They're they look like I'm curious what the
conversation was there becausethey kind of look like
nondescript like FBI agents,kind of.

SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
Yeah, they look like they're out of the Matrix or
something.

SPEAKER_04 (51:16):
Yeah, so they're dressed really funny, and then I
do think it's super interestingthat they don't show this for
all of them, but there's likekind of an assumption made that
like after they make a kill,they off themselves, so that
there's like no trace.

SPEAKER_02 (51:32):
Well, the the one at the beginning that just like
gets in the car and then douseshimself in gas.
That was a brutal way to go.
That was yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (51:40):
So yeah, that's a really interesting component to
the whole film.

SPEAKER_02 (51:45):
I mean it's a it's a wild movie because it's like,
okay, so there's this witch, gotit, and then he's making these
masks, they're gonna kill kids,and then all his henchmen are
androids.
What?

SPEAKER_04 (51:57):
It just it's it's like so elaborate because it's
like you gotta have the first ofall, you could have the factory.
Yeah, you have to get all thosepieces over from Stonehenge.
You have to have a big piece,yeah, and then you can like I
guess pulverize it and just havelike chip away and then have
like just little sand pieces ineach of the masks.
But then you have to make allthese masks.

(52:19):
First of all, yeah, it is, Iguess, simpler times because
it's like kids nowadays wouldnot not take too kindly, I
think, to like, oh, I get onlythree choices.

SPEAKER_02 (52:27):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 (52:28):
Like kids, kids are gonna want some variety.

SPEAKER_02 (52:30):
Do I want to be skull, pumpkin, or witch?

SPEAKER_04 (52:33):
Yeah, exactly.
So there's that.
But so he has to he has to puttogether the factory.

SPEAKER_02 (52:39):
Which one are you picking though?

SPEAKER_04 (52:40):
He um maybe skull.

SPEAKER_02 (52:44):
I like the pumpkin one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (52:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I never even thought about that.
But he has to do that, bringover Stonehenge, he has to
create all these androids, hehas to kind of take over the
town.

SPEAKER_02 (52:56):
I mean He's real old though, so he's had time.

SPEAKER_04 (53:00):
Yeah.
I mean, he has also accumulateda ton of wealth, apparently.
Yeah, he's not like thosefucking worthless vampires in
your dark.

SPEAKER_02 (53:08):
Figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 (53:10):
I mean, that's like kind of what you come to expect
from somebody who's ancient, isthat they've taken the time to
accumulate a ton of wealth.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:17):
I mean, if if you have you are not financially
prudent if you're living forhundreds, thousands of years and
you're dead broke.
You're dead broke.
You've done something wrong.

SPEAKER_04 (53:29):
So it's just it's like a lot of uh a lot of like
not world building, but justlike, man, he had to put in a
lot of building into this, likeexecuting this plan.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (53:41):
So it's and it it was successful ultimately, even
though it seemed like StonehengeRock vaporized him or maybe
captured his like and then alsocoordinating with the TV
stations to get the to get thecommercial on the air.
Well, that's just part of beinga successful business.
Sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:58):
But no, I'm glad you brought that up because we
didn't even talk about theending.

SPEAKER_02 (54:01):
Make a lot of media buys and there you yeah.
So the ending where Dr.
Chalice, where Dan is likecalling, I don't know, who I
don't know who was calling,because he's not like there's
not like Mr.

SPEAKER_04 (54:12):
TV just in control of like just like a customer
service line to get you in touchwith Worldwide TV station.
Yeah, where you just calldirectly into the TV station.

SPEAKER_02 (54:21):
But at least for the local area, sure.
He got he got it pulled from twoof the stations, and then he's
like flipping through, and onthe last one, it kept running.
And so he just, you know, it themovie ends with him screaming,
you know, stop it, and then itgoes to the credits.
But originally the director hadthe idea of it him yelling, stop

(54:44):
it, and then you just hear thecries of millions of children
dying.
I think that's hilarious.
It's it's I I wish that therewas like a deleted version that
had that.

SPEAKER_03 (54:57):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:58):
Atkins was way happier with them pulling that
and it just being like, I don'tthink it's that ambiguous.
I think they all died.
And although the movie was notthat successful, there was a
novelization, a book releasedthat actually was.
And in the book, the book makesit real clear that like millions
of kids died because of this.

SPEAKER_04 (55:20):
I mean, I think it's interesting that Cochrane, he
really goes after the Americanmarket because like uh you could
probably buy that ad space foryou know domestic channels, but
like he's not going after kidsin like Japan or kids in Spain.

SPEAKER_02 (55:39):
I don't think he has the inventory for that.

SPEAKER_04 (55:41):
Like, so he just really is focused on like
killing off American children.

SPEAKER_02 (55:44):
Yeah, yeah.
So well, at first he's like,Well when when um Dan asks him
why, and he's like, What a greatjoke to play on kids.

SPEAKER_04 (55:56):
Yeah, I mean that's uh but then he goes into like
you want a better reason?

SPEAKER_02 (56:02):
Okay, let's talk about Halloween.

SPEAKER_04 (56:04):
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, that's like the mostlike intense trick-or-treat, you
know, the trick part.

SPEAKER_01 (56:11):
This is not a treat.
It's not a treat.
No.

SPEAKER_04 (56:14):
But I do think it's fun.
I mean, I I think it would havebeen interesting to have seen
more of the like the mysticalstuff a little bit.
Like it's an interesting mix oflike kind of witchcraft and then
like sci-fi.

SPEAKER_02 (56:29):
Pseudo-tech, side-of-fy stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:32):
Yeah.
So it's I think that's kind ofan interesting part of the film
is this like mashup between thetwo.
Uh, so it's kind of a mix ofdifferent subgenres of horror.
But I do I know a lot of peoplewe were talking, we were talking
about this at uh Trader Joe'swhen about about like gore in

(56:52):
film.
And more than anything nowadays,for the most part, especially
with 80s cinema, when I look atthe effects, I just am so
impressed by what they were ableto accomplish.
Yeah.
And and that's that's kind ofthe take.
That's why I laugh about thesethings, because it's like I'm
not really like I there's acertain level of removal, you

(57:16):
know, like, but for what theywere able to accomplish in the
80s, I think it's highlyimpressive.
Yeah.
So so that's what I see when I'mlike seeing Marge's face or I'm
seeing little buddy on thefloor.
Like it's disgusting.
So like that's impressive, butit's impressive.
So that's that's how I view it.
Like film, I think part of it islike films nowadays.

(57:38):
I sound like I'm like fucking 85years old.
But it there, there's like nokind of um fun to it.
It's just like I don't know.
Like, I I won't even watch thisfilm, but like Bone Tomahawk, I
imagine that that scene, thatinfamous scene, I know there's
more than one.
Yeah.
But the but the cutting scene,yeah, is just like a really kind

(58:00):
of depraved type of likesequence.

SPEAKER_02 (58:02):
It's pretty visceral.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:05):
And to me, that's like not, we talked about this
last week about like what whatdo you consider like
entertaining horror.
To me, that's not entertaining.
The This is entertaining to me.

SPEAKER_02 (58:15):
The the thing with Bone Tomahawk versus because I
know that there's like acutting-in-half scene in that
that's pretty gruesome, but it'slike the the way that the story
is set up and the characters andthe like the way that it
happens, it's not like a like acampy slasher horror movie where
there's very little of substancehappening, and then there's like

(58:36):
a fucking crazy death where youcan see where they put all the
effort into the effects.
It felt like there was more oflike a story, so you felt you
like felt something for what washappening.
It made it a lot more difficultto watch.
Because I'm I'm not gonna watchprobably not gonna watch the
terrifier movies because I'veheard that they're just like the

(58:57):
the clown Arthur Clown is islike a fun, depraved character,
and they have crazy effects,including someone getting sawed
in half.
But I would probably be if I wasgoing to watch one of those
movies, I probably wouldn't careabout it as much.

SPEAKER_03 (59:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:13):
Just because it's you're it's so like the setup is
so different.
It's so obvious that you're justwatching a movie just to see
these like wild effects happen.

SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
Yeah, I mean, like I don't want to speak out of turn
because I think it's really,really hard for anybody to be in
this industry, and I truly dorecognize the talent that it
takes to like execute thosekinds of effects, whether or not
it's like something thathappened in the 80s where it was
pretty much practical, yeah, ortoday where it's probably more
of a mashup um of CGI and somepractical.

SPEAKER_02 (59:43):
But it's usually, although I think that's one of
the um again for the terrifying,like there's a lot of practical,
and that's where people that'swhere it got their attention.
That's how it kind of likegained the notoriety.

SPEAKER_04 (59:54):
I I guess I just like from my own my own very
personal perspective on it islike.
The 80s film is part of thereason why I love this decade of
horror is because I feel likethere's a real kind of like
entertainment value that thefilmmakers wanted to bring to
audiences.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:12):
And I feel like today a lot of it is just like
how how gross can we make it?
And like it's I don't know.
There's like just not I don'tknow how to explain it.
I'm not being very articulate,but there's like no kind of like
entertainment value for it.
It's just how can we like reallyturn your stomach?
Some yeah.
Probably the most egregious islike things like the human centi

(01:00:33):
Oh oh the human centipede.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:36):
Yeah.
That's there it's a verydifferent take, I suppose, on
horror and what the how how it'sintended to scare or make you
feel.
And again, like the practicaleffects in like the older 80s
horror movies are fun.
The acting is generally notgreat, but that's fine because

(01:01:00):
there are just these like setupsfor different like scenes where
you know that someone's gonnaget it and then they do, and you
kind of laugh it off.
The ones where they're tryingwhere where the movie itself is
made so much more serious, andthere's like no real fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:16):
Ariaster.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:18):
Like what?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:19):
Ariaster.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:20):
What's that?
Who's that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:21):
Hereditary.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, and that's likeconsistently put it, like the
top of lists of scary movies.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:29):
I'm like I'm doing air quotes, elevated horror.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:32):
Yeah, it's just like a depression simulator.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:35):
Yeah.
Like I I appreciate the talentand the hard work for anything
that comes to light, but likejust not my not my bag.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:45):
So if I see a horror movie and at the end I just feel
like terrible about everything.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:50):
Then I'm not gonna watch it again.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:52):
We were really late to the party, but we finally
just got around to watchingSinners.
And yeah, I love that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:58):
That was great.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:58):
I thought that there was like a fun kind of like
entertainment that was broughtto that in a way that balance.
Yeah, that I don't see.
And entertainment's not reallythe word I'm trying to I'm not
finding the right word, but justlike kind of a showmanship.
Maybe that's a little bit morewhat I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:14):
Um Yeah, it was it was a good story and the Hmm.
The it was it was a good storyin the sense that I wasn't even
sure if we were watching theright movie because like the
setup was so intense and goinglike the backstory behind the
characters and and like thesetup for the juke joint.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:36):
Until it's a couple different movies in life.
Yeah, when you when you see theguy like running through the
field smoking, and like, oh, itis a vampire.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:43):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:44):
So it's a long movie too, so there's enough time for
them to to like get a goodpayoff for everything.
Right.
So in any case, also welcomeback to Halloween three season
two of these.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:54):
Yeah, so I just and I feel like this is like kind of
an earlier, like this sets upfor like films down the road
that still retain that kind ofshowmanship.
I guess that's the word I'mgonna land on.
Okay.
Um, but that's it.
That uh that's it for thisyear's Halloween series.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:11):
Happy Halloween.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:12):
Happy Halloween.
Are you gonna do the song?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:15):
Doot doot doot do no, I'm definitely not.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:19):
I guess they used uh London Bridges Falling Down
because it was in public domain.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:23):
Yeah.
Sounds like it.
Uh yeah, yeah.
So there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:27):
All right.
Uh I mean, as far as watchingthis film again, yeah.
Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:34):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:34):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:35):
It's ridiculous.
I love it.
And call to action, I mean Idon't consider it a Halloween
movie like in the Halloweenfranchise.
I'd I'd if I whatever I'm gonnacall it, it's its own thing and
it's fine.
It's it's like stands on its ownjust fine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a perfect segue to
like, you know, the most obviouscall to action, which is like,
how do you feel about this filmas far as part of being the
Halloween franchise?
Um, I mean, it's included byname as far as everything else,
but like I think the way youdescribe it probably reflects
what a lot of people feel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:07):
If it had been instead of Halloween three
Season of the Witch, if it wasJohn Carpenter's Season of the
Witch.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:14):
I wonder how it would have done.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:16):
So no expectations of Mr.
Myers.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:18):
We would love to hear from you if you'd like to
reach out.
You can reach us throughInstagram, Facebook, Blue Sky.
It's the same handle at allthree.
It's at 80smontage pod, and 80sis 80S.
I don't know if I even broughtthat up in the last episode.
We might have skipped over thecall to action.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:34):
Oh, maybe.
Maybe possibly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:37):
Hmm.
Anyway.
Sneak peek.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:40):
Yeah, I got I got no idea.
No, truly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:42):
We didn't talk about it.
So I was I was kind of up in theair about what to do coming out
of this Halloween series.
And I think what I landed on wasdoing a soft exit from the
Halloween series.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:57):
Sounds like we're gonna do a horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:59):
So soft exit.
I don't think it's technicallycalled horror, it's more
fantasy.
But it is very timely becausethere is a film coming out
that's a part two of a huge filmfrom last year.
You should be very familiar withwhat this film is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:21):
Part two of a film that came out last year.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:24):
So I'll give you a clue.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:26):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:27):
Glenda the Good Witch.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:29):
Oh.
Wait.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:32):
It's like a clue for a clue.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:33):
It's a clue.
Okay, so yeah, wicked part twowould be the clue.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:42):
So an 80s movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:44):
Uh-huh.
An 80s movie.
Not something wicked this way.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:49):
I've actually never seen it, but I've heard that it
is like much darker than youwould expect, but kind of on par
for children's 80s films.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:56):
Uh Something Wicked This Way Comes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:58):
Return to Oz.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:01):
So that is what That is what we are covering next.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:07):
Okay, return to Oz.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:08):
Yeah.
So in the meantime, thank you toeverybody for hanging with us.
This is our, now I'm not goingto say this every single time,
but our 151st episode.
And we really appreciate that ofall the options you have out
there that you are choosing tofollow along with our podcast.
Thank you so much, and we willtalk to you again in two weeks'

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