Just One of the Guys

In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about Buddy being a grunge trendsetter years before it was cool, if Terry's boyfriend actually had a right to be annoyed with her, and much more during their discussion of the very extremely loose Twelfth Night adaptation Just One of the Guys (1985).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
Every day at lunch, we get a very special treat from

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a very special guy.
A guy who has dedicated his lifeto building his body, pushing
his muscles to the very limitsof human endurance.
Why, you ask?
Why?
Well, to be strong enough Tolift tables and spill food,

SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Greg Toler! Woo yeah! Hello and welcome to 80s
Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
And that was Clayton Roehner as Rick Morehouse
telling everyone what an assholeWilliam Zabka is in 1985's Just
One of the Guys.

SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
Well done.

SPEAKER_00 (00:49):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
It is Just One of the Guys.
Where to

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begin?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
it is...

SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Look, I'm just going to say right off the bat, we all
know that this movie would nothave been made in 2025.
However, it was in fact made in1985.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
Cracked.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
And so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
God, oh my God, this movie's 40 years old.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
We've obviously-

SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
I don't know why all of a sudden that's like, this
whole podcast is about 80smovies, but-

SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
We've for sure talked about movies where there
are like pieces where like,well, that wouldn't play very
well, or that's kind ofproblematic.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
This is kind of like the whole movie.
The

SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
whole concept is like, well, they probably
wouldn't do this now, but theydid then.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Yeah.
And I mean, like, okay, so likeI mentioned at the very tail end
of the last episode, this is avery, very, very loose
adaptation of Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Once again, twice in a row?
Yeah.
Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:50):
So this is the adaptation of Twelfth Night.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53):
And you brought it up when we were...
Oh, okay.
So actually, really quickly,just to preface, prior to
watching the movie for thepodcast, you had never seen this
movie before.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
This was the first time I'd seen it.
And that made it hit a littledifferent because we've
obviously covered movies againwhere we're like, oh yeah, I
can't believe that they did thatback then.
But for most of those, I havememories of seeing the movie
when it first came out or likedecades ago.
So seeing this for the firsttime was a pretty wild

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experience.

SPEAKER_02 (02:27):
So you brought up correctly that there has been a
more recent adaptation.

SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
I've already forgotten the name of that one.
She's the man.
That's it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:36):
Yeah, with Amanda Bynes.
Yes.
And I– when you brought that up,I was like, yes, that's
absolutely correct.
And also, I don't know.
I'm speaking out of turn becausewho the hell knows if Amanda
Bynes was even familiar withthis movie.
But it does seem like actuallyher performance in She's the Man
really mimics the performance inthis film.

SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
Yeah, no.
With like the

SPEAKER_02 (02:59):
comedy.

SPEAKER_00 (03:00):
Yeah.
I thought– Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
So while you had never seen it before, I had and
actually was telling you about avery, I mean, I don't say
traumatic in like the true, butlike it was a horribly
embarrassing moment as a child.
You

SPEAKER_00 (03:40):
saw this with like your dad or

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something?
Yeah.
And there's one moment, onemoment.

SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
Did you think that, well, look, look, this would be
an incredibly embarrassing movieto watch from start to finish,
right?
As a kid.
Yes.
Because the brother alone.

SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
Yeah.
Who the hell?
I mean, these two siblings talkabout sex

SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
constantly with each other.
They do.
And I don't know how real thatwould be.
But when she walked in on him...

SPEAKER_02 (04:14):
She was just like, oh, so sweet.
Like,

SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
it was such a weird...
I mean, it was great that shetried talking to him and he
said, that's super interesting.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (04:24):
yeah.
It was a funny moment,legitimately.
Okay, so we'll...
Sorry, we're just like bouncingall around.
We'll stick to our usual formathere.
So you mentioned 1985.
Yes, I did.
And writers.
Okay, so we have two writers,the first of which Dennis
Feldman, not the first time wehave brought him up.

SPEAKER_00 (04:43):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (04:43):
But it has been...
A good minute since the lasttime.
So he has both story andscreenplay credit for this.
It's his first writing credit.
The first time, and probably thelast time, well, this is the
last time probably, the firsttime was for The Golden Child.
Amazing.
So go check out that episode.
Peak

SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
cinema.

SPEAKER_02 (05:05):
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think I had, Idon't even remember at this
point, like to your point, Somany 80s movies.
It's like I've seen bits andpieces at the very least.

SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:15):
Of a good many of them.
And I think that was...
Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
That's certainly a unique one.

SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
It sure is.
So The Golden Child.
I don't know this movie.
It's called Real Men.
But I do remember bringing himup not only for The Golden
Child, but because in terms ofhis other credits, he has like a
franchise to his name, whichis...

SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
Species.

SPEAKER_02 (05:39):
Species.
So he's the writer on Species.
I don't know how closely tied hestayed to the franchise, but
because he originated thematerials, like in Species 2, he
has a character credit.

SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
Isn't the whole premise of Species like, what if
aliens were sexy and wanted tokill you?

SPEAKER_02 (05:56):
Yeah, it's Natasha something.
Okay.
I think I remember her.
He has a credit.
There was a TV movie, Species 3,and then another TV movie,
Species The Awakening.
Okay.

UNKNOWN (06:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
All right, moving on to the other writer, Jeff
Franklin.
So this also was his first,well, first feature writing
credits.
We had a couple like TV creditsunder his belt already.
He's also a producer.
So I think that's like more sowhere his wheelhouse is.
But especially in television,there is a lot of crossover
between like writer slashdirector, or I'm sorry, writer

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slash producer.
Oh, okay.
So some of his other writingcredits include a ton of TV,
almost entirely TV.
Also, though, not the first timewe brought him up.
It's not.
No.
He has credits for Laverne andShirley.
He has credits.
So not the Gary Shandling show,but it's Gary Shandling's show.

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I

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
don't even know what the difference is.

SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
So the first time we brought him up was for Summer
School.
Yeah.
So I think that was our firsttime with Steve, Steve Harreld,
that we recorded with him.
I think so, yeah.
So go check that one out.
More credits for Full House,High Tide TV show, don't know
it.
Also the TV show, Hanging withMr.
Cooper.
Okay.

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The last film credit I have forhim, Love Stinks.
That

SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
movie, not good.

SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
Oh, you've seen it.

SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
I have seen it.
Oh, do

SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
you remember who's in it?

SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
French Stewart.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, and Bridget Wilson.
Oh, yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (07:35):
yeah.
Isn't she the one that's marriedto Pete Sampras?
Is she?
I think so.
Bridget Wilson.
Are you Bridget Fonda or BridgetWilson?

SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Wilson.

SPEAKER_02 (07:44):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's married to Pete
Sampras.
So I don't know how closely tiedhe is with– It's not really the
reboot.
It's just like the thing they'redoing with every fucking TV show
now, like The Fuller House.
He has a credit for that, too.
Okay.
So just in general, a lot of TV

SPEAKER_00 (08:01):
work.
Someone's got to get a creditfor that, I suppose.
I

SPEAKER_02 (08:03):
suppose so.
Yeah.
Okay.
Moving on to director.
This one's kind of fun because,first of all, female director.
We don't often get to say that,especially for the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 (08:16):
Yeah.
I mean, female director for thismovie...
I feel like there's some actualmeaning there in terms of what a
big part of the message in thismovie is.
There

SPEAKER_02 (08:29):
is a message.

SPEAKER_00 (08:29):
There is.
It's just a silly 80s movie, butthere is.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
there is a message.
So fun for a couple of reasons.
That's one of them.
So the director is LisaGottlieb.
And not only do we very rarelyget to bring up female directors
on this podcast, but also, soshe, I never took a class
personally with her when I wasat Columbia College, Chicago,

SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
but

SPEAKER_02 (08:53):
she was one of the instructors there, one of the
professors there.

SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (08:57):
So that's kind of fun too.
In any case, yeah, go Lisa.
So this was her first featuredirectorial credit.
Okay.

UNKNOWN (09:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
Doesn't– unfortunately, didn't have the
chance to do, like, a ton moredirecting.
She has seven total directingcredits.
Among, though, it's a little bithalf and half between film and
television.
So she has a directing creditfor the TV series Freddy's
Nightmares.
Also Dream On, the TV series.
Okay.
A couple more films, Across theMoon and Cadillac Ranch.

UNKNOWN (09:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
And then also the TV series Boy Meets World.

SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
Okay.
She also was in the castingdepartment for a movie that we
covered, The Blues Brothers.

SPEAKER_02 (09:41):
Oh, very cool.
I mean, that kind of makes sensebecause, I mean, I don't know
where in the world she is at themoment, but the school I went to
was in Chicago.
She might be based out ofChicago.
Blues Brothers was filmed inChicago.
So that all kind of tiestogether.

SPEAKER_00 (09:59):
It all ties

SPEAKER_02 (09:59):
together.
All ties together.
But I like what you saidabout...
The fact that like there'smeaning behind the fact that
like a woman directed this andlike kind of what the message of
the film is.
And

SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
she did it as a woman director not having to
pretend to be a man director.

SPEAKER_02 (10:16):
Yes, correct.
Sorry, it took me a second.
Yes, absolutely right.

SPEAKER_00 (10:22):
Because it is like buried really deep within all
the silliness is like– a messageof equality and gender equality
in particular, and why any oneindividual is just as talented
and capable of doing aparticular job as somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 (10:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:42):
Particularly journalism.

SPEAKER_02 (10:44):
Yeah, no, I think that's, I think you're spot on.
And yes, it is, it is a Wackymovie, especially anytime that
brother's on screen.
This

SPEAKER_00 (10:55):
movie.

SPEAKER_02 (10:56):
It devolves

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into.
Is so goddamn horny at alltimes.
It makes Grease 2 feel like it'sjust completely produced by
Puritans.
I mean, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
It is.
I mean.

SPEAKER_00 (11:11):
And the kid is 15.
I know.
I

SPEAKER_02 (11:14):
mean, I will say, though, that like he totally
runs with that being hisdefining characteristic.
Yeah.
In the film.
Yeah, no, like...
It's kind of funny just how muchhe leans into, like, this is who
this character is.
At

SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
every single scene.
Every single scene.
Yeah.
Every moment.

SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
And, like, 80% of those, he's wearing the same
outfit.

SPEAKER_02 (11:36):
Yes, I know.
The...
I don't know.
I mean, he was, like...
Ripped sleeves, plaid.
He was grunge before grunge.
Like, the entire movie, he'sjust wearing ripped-up plaid
flannel shirts.

SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
It's like if you combine...
The horniest 15-year-old everwith Sons Out, Guns Out, and
Grunge.
Yeah.
You get this character.

SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
Yeah, yeah.
But I do like that, like, look,I get it.
First of all, I really loveTerry.
I actually really like hercharacter.
Yeah.
And I can really appreciate thatshe's comfortable with who she
is.
She understands that she has acertain currency as far as her

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looks go.
She does not use that.
Very much the

SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
opposite.

SPEAKER_02 (12:40):
And she's going through her papers.
And then she hears him withanother teacher.
It's the other teacher.
I want to clarify that.
The

SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
other teacher was talking about, like, hooking up
with his students and how it'dbe worth losing his job over.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (12:54):
Super gross.
Yeah.
But that is to set up, like,how, yeah, she's just completely
objectified by pretty mucheverybody around her.
But she is talented.
And she...
thinks you're just not taking meseriously enough.
Like, and if I were a dude,you'd be treating me
differently.

SPEAKER_00 (13:14):
Yeah.
So...
That's it.
That is the ultimate underlyingpremise of this is that you
would take me seriously if I wasa dude and I would have gotten,
I guess I would have, she wouldhave won this writing
competition that would havegotten her like a summer
internship.

SPEAKER_02 (13:31):
At the local newspaper.

SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah.
And fortunately...
This same contest takes place atall of the local high schools.
All at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 (13:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
Maybe staggered a week so that she could just like
come

SPEAKER_02 (13:45):
up with this.
It's true.
It's true.
And also so late at the end ofthe school year.
Yeah.
Like I think I clocked it in oneof the earlier scenes when the
teacher was talking to all thestudents about the deadlines and
everything.
Yeah.
And like I saw behind him like alittle piece of paper on the
wall and it was talking aboutwhat I believe is the same

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competition.
And it said like the deadlinewas May 25th.

SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Mm-hmm.
That's the end of the year,

SPEAKER_02 (14:10):
basically.
Yeah, and also it's, like,prompt.
So it's, like, it's just funny.
There's a lot going on, yeah.
A lot.
Like, this all takes place in,like, not even two weeks because
they also preface the fact thatTerry's parents are out of town
for just two weeks.
And they never come back by theend of the movie that we see.

SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Thank God for that.
What I was really not wanting istheir...
like some big blowout party andthey have to like clean
everything out before theparent, like let's just save
that for the other movies.
Probably the

SPEAKER_02 (14:39):
epilogue and we'll get to that.
The epilogue is probably acouple weeks down the line
because now she's at her job.
Sorry, spoiler.
She does eventually get the job.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:48):
She's a very talented writer.

SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
We have way more to talk about this movie than I
thought we would.
So let's get back to the playersbehind the scenes.
Cinematography.
John McPherson and...
This is the first time thatwe've brought him up, but
probably not the last time.
There's a couple options therefor us.

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So earlier in his career,unfortunately, he's no longer
with us.
Yeah, it's just very common ifsomebody's already a little bit
more established in theircareer.
By the time we're covering themin the podcast, often they're no
longer with us.
But McPherson kind of cut histeeth on Kojak recently.

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The Incredible Hulk?

SPEAKER_00 (15:32):
Yeah, so I am very familiar with his work, because
this is like the old school TVseries version of Hulk, right?

SPEAKER_02 (15:39):
It honestly goes head to head with Hill Street
Blues, or no, Taxi, as like thesaddest intro music ever.
It

SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
makes a little bit more sense for The Incredible
Hulk than Taxi.
I get it, but

SPEAKER_02 (15:51):
holy fuck, it's depressing.
He shot that, St.
Elsewhere, another TV show,Amazing Stories, and now we're
getting into films.

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
Well, I can't pass up the amazing miniseries V.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
I'm sorry.
Did you

SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
watch that with the alien invasion?

SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
It's the earlier version of what came out
probably several years ago atthis point, but there was like a
reboot of it, right?

SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
Yeah, it was very dramatic.
It was like aliens having babieswith humans.
It was just like, is this a soapopera?
I think it

SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
was.
So he shot Jaws the Revenge.

SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
wow.

SPEAKER_02 (16:25):
Which would be a very fun movie to cover at some
point.
Oh my god, we can, yeah.
Just

SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
get out of the fucking water.

SPEAKER_02 (16:35):
Batteries not

SPEAKER_00 (16:36):
included.
Oh yeah, that is like aforgotten movie, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (16:40):
Yeah, I think of anything that is an option for
us, that would be the first oneI would want to cover with him
again.
I don't know if I'm going towant to ever cover Short Circuit
2 because I'm not sure if I wantto cover Short Circuit 1.

SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
Nothing is wilder than than what we're talking
about right now.
Movie wise, even with the stuffthat.
Oh, no, I know.
Face.
Yeah.
No, I remember.

SPEAKER_02 (17:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
Okay.
That still pales in comparisonto some of the stuff going on in
this movie.
Wow, what

SPEAKER_02 (17:07):
a turn of phrase, pales in comparison, what we're
talking about.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
He also shot Fletch Liz, whichmaybe, because we've done
Fletch, also with Steve.

SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
Yeah, yeah.
So go check

SPEAKER_02 (17:19):
that out.
And then his final credit was afilm called Bingo.

SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
Which was not about the game.
It appears to have been about adog.
Yes.
Figured, okay.
And Bingo was his name-o.

SPEAKER_02 (17:29):
Yeah.
Okay, music.
Tom Scott.
Oh, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
What?

SPEAKER_02 (17:37):
For sure.
Man, we can't get away from thistopic at the moment.
For sure, there's going to beone film at the very least that
I'm going to definitely want tocover at some point that he also
was part of.
However, let's see.
I have mostly filmed some TV forthe composer of this film.
So earlier in his career, acouple interesting names.
Conquest of the Planet of theApes.

SPEAKER_00 (17:59):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
Oh, are you familiar with that one?
I don't know that onespecifically.

SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
I am familiar with all like the series of those,
but they all kind of get likejumbled up in my mind.
I know that there's liketelepaths and an underground
nuke and all kinds of crazystuff.

SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
Okay.
He did the music for The NineLives of Fritz the Cat.

SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
That is a film.
He did the music for the TVseries Beretta.
Is that about a car?
Or is it just had an interestingcar in it?

SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
I'm not sure.
I don't think it's just about acar, though.

SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Knight Rider is kind of just about a car.
But

SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
that car was like if Skynet was built into a car and
called Kit.

SPEAKER_02 (18:43):
So he did the music for Stir Crazy.
That's possibly one we would doin the future.
I definitely, this is a surething.

SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Oh.
The sure thing.
The movie is called The SureThing.
Yeah.
I definitely want

SPEAKER_02 (18:55):
to do that one.
What

SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
year was that?

SPEAKER_02 (18:57):
I mean, 80s.
Fair

SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
enough.

SPEAKER_02 (19:01):
It might also be 85, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
I'm so annoyed that arachnophobia is 1990.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (19:10):
Which is weird that- He did some music for that.
Because it was a spider thing,so- Interesting that he did the
music for a TV series calledSarah.
Oh, I think that was GeenaDavis.
I don't know much more thanthat.
I think she was Sarah.
This is what I was talkingabout.
So he did the music for SoulMan, which is a level lower than

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even Short Circuit.

SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
Yeah, I don't think I can do that one.

SPEAKER_02 (19:43):
That I'm going to say is off the table.

SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
There is at least like if you dig deep enough,
like I said, you can find a bitof a lesson, a bit of gender
inequality.

SPEAKER_01 (19:53):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
but Soul Man, I don't.
I don't know.
Maybe I'd have to do someresearch.
Okay, I just finished myresearch.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
He also did music for Hot Pursuit.
Family Ties, TV show.

SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
A very special episode.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:10):
Shakes the Clown, which I don't know why that's
come up like two episodes in arow.
And then a TV series calledPhenom.
Okay.
Moving on to editing.
Tony Lombardo.
They

SPEAKER_00 (20:23):
named a trophy for the Super Bowl after him, I
think.
Yeah, you

SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
know what?
When his name came up, I waslike, why is that name familiar?
I'm like, I think it's justbecause of the Super Bowl
trophy.

SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
That is Lombardi.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (20:34):
okay.
My apologies.
Isn't it?
I think so.
I don't know

SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
for sure.
The Lombardi Award.
I think so.

SPEAKER_02 (20:39):
I'm going to defer to you because it's the fucking
guy, the Green Bay Packers,right?

SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
Hey, call to action.
There's going to be a gametomorrow called the Super Bowl.
I'm saying the words.
And I think the award, I thinkthe trophy goes to the team that
wins it, and it's called theLombardi Award.

SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Trophy.
Lombardi Trophy?
Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (20:59):
Whatever.
Tony Lombardo.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (21:03):
so all films for him and some of them who knows he
might be we might talk about himagain on the podcast in the
future so he cut a perfectcouple but this is the one that
i'm talking about uncle buck thehard way a film that you really
love my cousin vinnie

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
that movie is brilliant

SPEAKER_02 (21:25):
so he cut that

SPEAKER_00 (21:26):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
the distinguished gentleman sergeant

SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
bilko oh yeah with steve martin

SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Fat Albert.

SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
And I Hate Valentine's Day, which is so
funny.
That's very timely.
So those are all his credits.
Okay.
Moving on to the stars of thefilm, starting with Joyce
Heiser.
And she plays Terry Griffith.
How convenient that she did notneed to change her name in any

(21:57):
way, shape, or form becauseTerry is a name equally suited
to male, female, non-binary.

SPEAKER_00 (22:05):
That was very convenient.
It was less convenient for hercollege-age boyfriend, whose
name was Kevin, and then she hadto— Yeah, Covina.

UNKNOWN (22:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (22:17):
Like I said earlier in the conversation, I really
like Joyce Hauser.
Heiser?
Heiser.
I should stick to what I saidthe first time.
I really liked her in this film.
I do think she's a verycharismatic actor.
I think she...
I mean, look, there's no takingaway from the fact that this

(22:37):
film is corny as hell.
It is.
And, you know...
Like I said, though, when wewere talking about She's the
Man, there are really kind ofover-the-top comedic elements
that Amanda Bynes brings to thatperformance that Joyce Heiser
brought first.
Yeah.
In terms of, like, kind of theover-top, like, what they think

(22:59):
being a guy means.

SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
And in some ways, now some people would be like,
how dare you?
But, like, it, to me, is almostrep...
Say the word for me.
Reminiscent.

SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (23:14):
Of like...

SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
God, I could help out there.

SPEAKER_02 (23:19):
Of like Lucille Ball and like just the wackiness and
kind of just the silliness ofthe humor.

SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Yeah, it's meant to be funny.
Yeah.
They're making some jokes.

SPEAKER_02 (23:31):
But I think she does a really good job.
And I think she also does areally good job with the more
serious stuff where she's likekind of lamenting, like, why
won't people take me seriously?
And, you know, also, I reallylove the way that she, you know,
portrays like her passion forthis career and, you know,
wanting to be taken seriously asa journalist.

(23:51):
And I, yeah, I like her a lot.
I think she's...

SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
And her portrayal of a guy, I think it also helps to
keep in mind that she was tryingto fit in with a bunch of like
high school age guys.
So like all the exaggerated dudebro mannerisms and stuff.
Yeah, totally makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
I mean, the funniest part is when she's in the
bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 (24:17):
Oh, the first time?

SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
No,

SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
she's in

SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
the bathroom with Rick.
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:22):
And she's like, this is what you call typical male
bonding.
Like, why would you ever saythat?
Well, the first

SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
the first day that she went to the other high
school and she is just likelooking at all the urinals and
kind of freaks out as a guywalks in.
And as the guy walks in, shejust looks over and she's all
just finished.
And he's like, like, I care.

SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (24:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:47):
I did enjoy that.
Yeah.
And then she like, she like ranout and then decided like, oh
yeah, I still have to go to the

SPEAKER_02 (24:52):
bathroom.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
Right back in.

SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
Yeah.
I thought she did a really goodjob.
I liked the casting quite a bit.
And...
It's not the first time

SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
that we've seen her.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
but I think this is the first time we've brought her
up.
Yes.
Um...
Yeah, there's one film on herfilmography that we've already
talked about, but she, I don'tknow how significant of a part
she had, because I'm almostcertain we didn't bring her up.
I have, earlier in her career,mostly film.
So she was in The HollywoodNights.
That is, I think, 1980, andthat, I think, was like Michelle

(25:24):
Pfeiffer's first big film role.
So I don't know, maybe at somepoint we would bring it up.
We definitely, at some point,are going to do Valley Girl.
I do love that film, and it'skind of crazy we haven't yet.
She's in that, but off the topof my head, I don't remember who
she is in that, so I don't knowif she has a huge role.
She's in Staying Alive, anotherpossibility to do in the future.

SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
Yeah, possibly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:51):
You know, to your point, this is Spinal Tap.
She was on the TV series L.A.
Law.
Okay.
Her last credit so far is a filmcalled The Wedding Pact.

UNKNOWN (26:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (26:01):
And she's just done multiple TV appearances as well,
like one-offs here and there.
But I wish– I don't know whythis wasn't more– you know, I
don't think the film performedparticularly well.
But I think that she really is astandout, and it's too bad that–

(26:21):
or maybe it was her choice.
I don't know, to not throwherself more into, like– Who

SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
can say?

SPEAKER_02 (26:29):
Yeah, same.
Okay.
Moving on to, you mentioned himat the top of the episode,
Clayton Roaner.
So he is Rick Morehouse.
This is his first featurecredit.
Not the first time we havebrought him up, believe it or
not.
Really?
Yeah.

(26:50):
Okay.
So...
There's actually, it's so wild.
There are two main charactersfrom this film.

SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Oh, I thought he looked familiar.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (26:59):
That are in another film that we've covered.
And it's just so weird that theywere in it together.
April Fool's Day.
That's it.

SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:09):
So that is the first time that we brought him up.

SPEAKER_00 (27:11):
He's Chaz.

SPEAKER_02 (27:12):
Yeah.
And we covered that one justlast year.
So please go check that one out.
Okay.
Yeah, that was such aninteresting film.
I still don't know how I feelabout it, but he is in that.
This is a film we really like,but it's the 90s, so we can't
cover it, The Relic.

SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
Oh, yeah.
That is a good movie.

SPEAKER_02 (27:32):
Yeah.
He's Tom Sizemore's right-handguy.
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
not doctor.
Detective Hollingsworth.

SPEAKER_02 (27:38):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (27:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
Yep.
I mean, he is working to thisday.
So he's very busy.
Couple TV series, Murder One,Good vs.
Evil.
He was in the film Jobs, as inlike Steve Jobs.

SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
This is a little– I remember beating this up when we
talked about April Fool's Day.
I'm never going to watch thismovie, but he was in– I don't
know why they– Specify finalsequence, but he is in the final
sequence of The Human Centipede3.

SPEAKER_00 (28:14):
Yeah, I'm not going to watch any of them.

SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
Nope, I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
I'm just not.

SPEAKER_02 (28:22):
Just not.

SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_02 (28:24):
I was a teenage were-skunk, which I know we've
brought that up.
Well, probably for him, but Ithink we've brought it up other
times too, and I love thattitle.
Yeah, that's amazing.
And just a lot of TVappearances.
Like I said, he's been verybusy.
He's in a lot of stuff.
Okay, moving on to Terry's...
I don't even know what word tocall him.

(28:46):
Infamous?
Brother?
Buddy?
He does kind of steal the moviein a lot of ways, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 (28:53):
He really does.
I mean...
It's just, it's so like thetimes in the movie when he's
like ostensibly talking to theirparents.

SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
Like, one of them is just like, oh, yeah, same to
you.
Eat me.
Yeah.
And then he hangs up the phoneangrily.
Mom says hi.

SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
Yeah.
He's actually really good inthis movie.
Like I said, say whatever youwant about the character,
whether you love or hate thecharacter, but goddamn, does he
commit to the character?
Yeah, I

SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
know.
There are no half measures here.

SPEAKER_02 (29:26):
No.
So, played by Billy Jane.
Billy Zane is in this?
No.
Billy Jane.
Son of a...
So I have a lot of TV for him,some film, and a lot of stuff
from when he was like a youngeractor, very busy as a kid actor.

(29:48):
So he was in the TV series TheBad News Bears.

SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
The one with Matthau?
Walter Matthau?

UNKNOWN (29:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:55):
Was he part of the film or also the TV series?

SPEAKER_00 (29:59):
Oh, good point.
I don't think he was.

SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
Okay.
So he was on the TV show ofthat.
I kind of want to watch thismovie, Bloody Birthday.
Kind of curious about it.
The Beastmaster, haven't youbrought that up before?

SPEAKER_00 (30:11):
That movie looks so bad now.
I watched the first...
Five or ten minutes, and I'mlike, I don't think I can do it.
It is so corny, and theproduction has not aged well.
Maybe I'll try again.
But yeah, I do remember him fromthat.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
you do?
Okay.
He's in Cujo, and I'm sorry,we're never going to cover Cujo.
I

SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
just don't think I can.
No, I've seen it, and I've readit, and I'm never going to do
either again.
I just

SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
can't.

SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:42):
I just can't.

SPEAKER_00 (30:43):
It's brutal, and the book is way worse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why did I do that?
I don't know.
I don't

SPEAKER_02 (30:49):
know.
Why'd you do that to yourself?
All TV appearances for the restof his credits.
It's not easy.
Laser tag Academy.
Okay.
I think a lot of people of acertain generation probably
remember him from Silver Spoons.

SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (31:05):
Because I think he's just one of Ricky's friends.
Parker Lewis can't lose.
I

SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
remember him from that.
Okay.
That was like such a...
Let's make...
Let's try to make a FerrisBueller, but just different.

SPEAKER_02 (31:18):
Well, so not too long ago– it's so interesting
that you say that.
I got to dig up this article.
I saw something online where– Imean, they did do a TV version
of Ferris Bueller, and it didn'tperform well.
It didn't do well.
And so the article was about thecomparison between– Like
basically Ferris Bueller's DayOff, the TV show, versus Parker

(31:40):
Lewis Can't Lose because of whatyou just said in terms of the
latter being far moresuccessful, but essentially the
same story.
It

SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
very much was.

SPEAKER_02 (31:49):
I personally think that the reason why the TV show
Ferris Bueller did not do wellis because it was going to be an
insurmountable success.
Undertaking, I don't care howyou cut it, to try to replace
Matthew Broderick in that role.

SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
No, that's it.
There's no way

SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
anybody could have ever...
I don't care how good you are.
There's no way.
He is so iconic as Ferris.

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
Maybe if they had gotten him...

SPEAKER_02 (32:18):
Yeah, but I mean, at the time, that was like still
the time where it's like, oh, Idon't– if I'm a film star, I am
not doing television.
So that's why Parker Lewis couldbe successful because it's like,
well, it's not Ferris.
It's Parker Lewis.
But anyway.
And then just a lot of TV workfor Billy Jane.

UNKNOWN (32:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (32:37):
Moving on to Tony Hudson, Denise.
So Denise is Terry's like friendwho– Is always kind of moaning
and groaning that she can't getdates, that she's a loser, she
can't find any cool guys.
There's definitely, like, well,only from her side of it.
I don't think Terry at allperpetuates any kind of

(32:59):
imbalance in the friendship.
But Denise is constantly like,you're so pretty, you have
everything, you have this greatboyfriend.
Like, it's really...

SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
It is a little bit much sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 (33:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So in any case, that's who thatis.
She also has been working.
I have all films for her.
Not a ton of credits, but YoungDoctors in Love.

UNKNOWN (33:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (33:26):
Which technically we could cover.

SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (33:28):
As well as Places in the Heart.
So we could do that.
This one's fun.
I don't.
Have I seen it?
Leatherface colon Texas ChainsawMassacre 3.
I

SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
don't know.
I always get a little wary ofthe horror titles with colons.

SPEAKER_02 (33:46):
Yeah, I don't remember I've seen that one.

SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Have they tried doing too much?
That's what I wonder.

SPEAKER_02 (33:49):
And Assassin's Fury.

SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
Well, just because we mentioned this series, I'll
bring up a couple TV series thatshe was in a single episode for.
Oh, sure.
Go for it.
Including Knight Rider.
She was in one episode of KnightRider.
Okay.
And one episode of The GreatestAmerican Hero.

SPEAKER_02 (34:06):
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
okay.
Which if you try to watch thatshow from the start, he is not a
good teacher, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (34:13):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (34:14):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
So like him like losing instruction, like, yeah,
no, I can see it all now.
After having tried to rewatchit, I'm like, you're just kind
of a bit of a fuck up, sir.

SPEAKER_02 (34:26):
What was the thing?
He didn't want to be a teacher.
Didn't he fail at somethingelse?
And so his fallback wasteaching?

SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
He didn't want to teach this particular class, I
think.
Oh, okay.
And there was a lot ofconversation about teaching
this.

SPEAKER_02 (34:40):
You're right.

SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
Me doing air quotes, special class.
Yes,

SPEAKER_02 (34:43):
you're right.
Okay.
Okay.
Moving on to, oh my goodness,William Zabka.

SPEAKER_00 (34:51):
It's literally the same character.
If you imagine the characterfrom Karate Kid, if he couldn't
do karate.

SPEAKER_02 (34:59):
And also with like zero emotional levity.

SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
No, he's just,

SPEAKER_02 (35:04):
yeah.
Even in the Karate Kid, whichit's fucking hilarious because
in the movie, somebody says thatTerry looks like the Karate Kid.
So it's like veryself-referential, not
self-referential, but kind ofmeta in a weird way.
Yeah.
So- At least in The Karate Kid,Johnny, there was still some

(35:24):
depth to Johnny, especially atthe end.
A little bit.
A little bit.
As much as an 80s villain couldhave.
Yes.
Where, you know, he's beingtold, like, sweep the leg, and
it's clear, like, he even thinksthat's going too far.
Yeah.
And so at least he's givensomething, something at the end
of the movie.
He doesn't get any of that inthis one.

(35:46):
He gets nothing.
And this was after The KarateKid.
However, not sure if it wasfilmed before.
I don't know.
Sometimes when films arereleased are not in line with
like when they were released.

SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
Yeah, that is interesting because why would
they have made the reference tothe Karate Kid?

SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
You're right.
So I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
But

SPEAKER_02 (36:04):
yeah, you're wrong.
I'm right.
You know, you're right.
I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (36:10):
It would have been amazing if they had just made
that comment based on nothingbut like a poster for the Karate
Kid coming soon.
Let's

SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
make a comment about this.
You're right.
I don't know.
I just blanked on that.
You know what's so interesting?
So he plays Greg Tolan.
Mm hmm.
the bully and the villain, Iguess, in the film.
And did you know that WilliamZabka has an Oscar nomination?
I did not know that.

(36:37):
Not for acting.
However, he, I guess, was behindthe team, the producing team.
He was up for Best Short FilmLive Action for a short called
Most.

SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
Isn't that so neat?

SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
That is cool.

SPEAKER_02 (36:53):
Yeah.
So...
He arguably is the mostwell-known of anybody in this
movie.
There's one other person whoshe's done quite well for
herself.
But Zabka, especially because ofCobra Kai.
Yeah.
Of late being so popular.
Actually, you know what?

(37:13):
I think part three of the finalseason is dropping this month.

SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Oh, I've never needed a show just to end more
than this.

SPEAKER_02 (37:22):
Well, you know what?
I'm going to say this is acompliment to him.
I wanted the show to stay alongthe pathway of how it started,
where it was like mostly abouthim.
Yeah.
It was supposed to be from hisperspective, essentially.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
No, it started off great.
And the more they veered awayfrom that and just into like
international drama andcompetition and weirdly like
asserting power over the globe.

UNKNOWN (37:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (37:54):
Like, what?
I think he is so fun to watch.
I think it was an amazing ideato say let's do a TV show about
what happened to JohnnyLawrence.
I love that all the characters,almost all, from the previous
films were like, sure, I'll comeback.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
Even getting Elizabeth Shue to come back.

SPEAKER_02 (38:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (38:16):
For an episode or so.
Whether it's a cameo,

SPEAKER_02 (38:18):
recurring role, what have you, guest star.
Yeah.
I love that everybody was, like,pretty much game to do it.
I just am– honestly, like, Idon't care about the kids.
I don't care about the kids.
I just care about, like–

SPEAKER_00 (38:33):
Well, they're making another movie.
Are they?
Yeah.
Jesus.
Okay.
With Ralph Macchio.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they're doing, like, a wholeother, like, Karate Kid movie.

UNKNOWN (38:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:46):
I mean.
And

SPEAKER_00 (38:47):
I'm sure that he'll be in it, right?
I

SPEAKER_02 (38:48):
hope so.
Yeah.
Moving on.
Well, we haven't even gone overall of his credits yet.
Starting on.
So, yes, he is in Karate Kid.
He's yes and no in part two.
I think the reason why he getsthat credit is because that
opening scene where Kreese,doesn't he like punch him, hit
him?

SPEAKER_00 (39:08):
Yeah, there's like a fight in the parking lot, and
that's when Miyagi does the liveor die thing and then honks his
nose.

SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
I'm not nearly as familiar with the second and
third film as I am with thefirst.

SPEAKER_00 (39:19):
Well, they're very important for purposes of the
show, so maybe we should watchthem.
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
it's kind of filtered through.

SPEAKER_00 (39:25):
Yeah, they try to get you up to date.
They do a good job.

SPEAKER_02 (39:31):
So I mentioned this when we were watching the movie,
that this is part of his trilogyof 80s bullies.
And he's also, although I don'tknow if he's considered, I don't
think he's considered the bullyin this one.
He's also National Lampoon'sEuropean Vacation.
He's the boyfriend, Audrey'sboyfriend.
I think, is he, you know thismovie better than I do.
Is he the bully in Back toSchool?

(39:51):
A

SPEAKER_00 (39:51):
hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 (39:52):
Okay.
Then that's the third

SPEAKER_00 (39:54):
one.
He's like the same character.
Like what if he also didn't knowkarate, but somehow got into
college?

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
Okay.
Gotcha.
So he's in that.
Hot Tub Time Machine.

SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
He

SPEAKER_02 (40:03):
plays himself in How I Met Your Mother, which- Oh.
You watched that

SPEAKER_00 (40:08):
show.
Yeah, I don't remember thatepisode.
There's a lot of episodes.

SPEAKER_02 (40:11):
Okay.
He is in a TV miniseries calledTwo Appomattox.
And then here we go.
So not only is there the TV showof Cobra Kai, but I guess
there's also a couple of videogames that he has lent his voice
to.
Okay.
So Cobra Kai colon The KarateKid Saga Continues and Cobra Kai
2 colon Dojo's Rising.

SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
And if you can believe it, I'm not making this
up, he was in one episode of TheGreatest American Hero.

SPEAKER_02 (40:39):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (40:41):
Okay.
Moving on to the collegeboyfriend, Kevin slash Kavina.

SPEAKER_00 (40:47):
Kavina.

SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
So played by Lee McCloskey.

SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
I'll say this much for him.
There are far worse boyfriendswhere he's clearly, you know,
right off the bat, like, oh,she's definitely not going to be
together with this guy by theend.
But they're certainly like worseguys that I've seen in these
movies.
Yeah, I would totally agree with

SPEAKER_02 (41:07):
you.
I'm like, look, he kind of has apoint with a lot of shit.
She's just kind of all of asudden an MIA.
I mean, look, he's as dismissiveof her as anybody where he's
like, can't this writing thingjust be a hobby?

SPEAKER_00 (41:19):
Yeah, but for him it's weird because it's not as
much like, I don't want you towrite.
I think you should be a modeljust because I think you'll make
more money.
As a model.
That's his whole thing, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (41:32):
Yeah.
I mean, he's– but it is the samein that, like, he is
prioritizing her looks.
Like– Yeah.
Like, that is where he thinksher value is.

SPEAKER_00 (41:42):
Exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:43):
So– but you're absolutely right.
He's not the worst boyfriend inthe world in terms of 80s
movies.
And as far as his credits go,especially later in his career,
it's like, oh, yeah, this makestotal sense.
So earlier in his career, he wason the TV show Executive Suite.
He was in a film called Inferno,a couple more films, Fraternity

(42:05):
Vacation.
Okay.
As well as Hamburger, colon, TheMotion Picture.

SPEAKER_00 (42:11):
That sounds like it should be familiar for some
reason.

SPEAKER_02 (42:13):
Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:14):
Here we go.
So then he finds his niche insoap operas.

SPEAKER_00 (42:24):
Boy, does he.

SPEAKER_02 (42:25):
Whether primetime or daytime.

SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
Look, he's got a great face for soap operas.

SPEAKER_02 (42:29):
The voice, the looks.

SPEAKER_00 (42:31):
Chiseled.
It all

SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
just like, yes.
You were born to be on soapoperas.

SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
You were born for daytime entertainment.

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Well, at first it started with primetime because
he was on Dallas.
Oh, okay.
And that's considered like aprimetime soap

SPEAKER_00 (42:46):
opera.
Yeah, no, you're right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
But then you're absolutely right.
So he has been on Santa Barbara,General Hospital.
One life to live.
Just one.
The Young and the Restless, likehe's kind of knocked out.
The only two that I can think ofthat he hasn't been on, All My
Children and, no, maybe that'sit.
Yeah, All My Children is theonly one that I know of.

SPEAKER_00 (43:08):
These are still all going on, aren't they?
I

SPEAKER_02 (43:11):
don't think The Young and the Restless is.

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
They're getting some rest.
Finally.

SPEAKER_02 (43:16):
Santa Barbara, I don't think, is a thing anymore.
I think General Hospital and AllMy Children might be the only
two left.

SPEAKER_00 (43:23):
Is the difference between a soap opera and just a
drama the time at which it is onTV?
Because, like, Dallas, youwouldn't really call a soap
opera as much as you'd say it'sa drama.

SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
That is such...
I think at the time...
Well, at the time, I think itwas called a primetime soap
opera.

SPEAKER_00 (43:44):
Really?
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (43:44):
I think.
But your question's reallyinteresting because, like, to
me, if I'm really– I neverthought about it before.
But I think, to me, a soap opera– well, okay, look, you're
right.

SPEAKER_00 (43:56):
Production value is different.

SPEAKER_02 (43:58):
One major difference between Dallas, not only because
it's primetime, is once a week.
Soap opera is five days

SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
a week.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:04):
So that is probably the defining feature.

SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
And that's why the production looks–

SPEAKER_02 (44:09):
The way

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
it does.
It looks different,

SPEAKER_02 (44:10):
yeah.
So I think that is the definingfeature.
All right.
The other person that I wassaying probably, you know, maybe
second to William Zabka isSherilyn Fenn.
Sandy.
So she's the one that likereally likes

SPEAKER_00 (44:24):
the male Terry.
She's the one.
Yeah.
She's the one that.
Jesus Christ.
She she's like, we'll go on adouble date because I know
someone that would be a greatmatch for Rick.

SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
Right.
Was it her sister?
Who was it?

SPEAKER_00 (44:37):
This fucking lady was.
Took them out to some mountainsor something or hill caves.
Literally, caves to go drinking.
And she brought her sixth graderfriend or sister.

SPEAKER_02 (44:49):
Oh, my God.
It was terrible.

SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
What the hell?
As far

SPEAKER_02 (44:52):
as

SPEAKER_00 (44:52):
problematic stuff goes.
I'm so glad that they made ajoke about it afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 (44:59):
It made it real clear that Rick was not
interested.
Yeah, it

SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
was bad.

SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
But then she's like, what did she say to Terry?
She's like, oh, in five years,she's going to really be
interesting to him or something.
Yes.
In five

SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
years, she's going to make a great wife, I think
she said.

SPEAKER_02 (45:16):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:17):
Jesus

SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
Christ.
Five years?
Like, she's still only like 18.
Yeah, her character...
I know her character in a lot ofways is supposed to be comic
relief and intentional to makeTerry uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (45:33):
Well, yeah, she's the one that made the Karate Kid
comment.

SPEAKER_02 (45:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:37):
She's like, look at that fox.
Dresses like Elvis Costello andlooks like Karate Kid.

SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
But this cuts both ways because if this was– if
Terry was like presenting asfemale Terry.
Yeah.
And there was a guy treating herthe way that Sandy is treating
male Terry, that's harassment.
And so it's supposed to be funnybecause it's like a chick who
doesn't realize that– Terry'salso a chick.
She

SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
pulled Terry's sock right out of her pants.

SPEAKER_02 (46:03):
Yeah, like, that's my point.
That was an aggressive move.
Very aggressive.
And so, like, I get it.
It's funny.
I'm not going to, like, go downa whole fucking rabbit hole
about it.
But really, it's not great.
that she's like so persistentwhen he is being very clear to
her, I'm not interested.

SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
She's giving me a lot of Leah Thompson vibes from
Back to the Future.
Yeah, I could see that a little

SPEAKER_02 (46:29):
bit.

SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
So I'm like, well, at least it's not her kid.

SPEAKER_02 (46:31):
She's very cute though.
Like, and when at the prom, likeshe should have had a date.

SPEAKER_00 (46:36):
Well, she does end up having a date.
It's Terry's brother.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (46:40):
you're right.

SPEAKER_00 (46:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's who ends up in bed withTerry's brother.
Is it the same

SPEAKER_02 (46:44):
night?

UNKNOWN (46:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:45):
It is the same night.
Yeah.
It is the same night.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So in any case, Sherilyn, is itFen?
Fin?

SPEAKER_00 (46:56):
It's probably just one or the other.
Fen?

SPEAKER_02 (46:59):
Sherilyn Fen?
We've never brought her up.
Fen, Fen, Fen?
On the show.
But she's so busy.
I mean, I hope she gets avacation in every once in a
while because especially laterin her career, holy shit.
So...
Earlier on, a lot of films, acouple that we could probably
do, Thrashen.

SPEAKER_00 (47:19):
Oh, yeah, with, geez, who's in that?

SPEAKER_02 (47:23):
I don't

SPEAKER_00 (47:23):
know.
No, I'm thinking of Gleaming theCube.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (47:26):
okay, fair.
She's in, and now I say thisdifferent every time, The
Wraith.
Yeah, no, that's The Wraith.
Oh, okay.
That's it.
Okay, great.
I'm sure we'll do that.
Zombie High, which sounds superfun.
Wild at Heart.
Oh, yeah.
And then she must have had,like, like a good professional
relationship with Lynch becauseshe also was on Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_00 (47:49):
I remember her from that.
Yeah, I remember from like and Ithink they did have like a
reboot or sequel or it cameback.
But I remember from the originalseries.

SPEAKER_02 (47:58):
Yeah, I don't think she came back.
Wait, is she the chick thatdies?
She's the chick that dies,right?

SPEAKER_00 (48:02):
She might be.

SPEAKER_02 (48:03):
She's Laura Palmer, isn't she?

SPEAKER_00 (48:05):
No,

SPEAKER_02 (48:05):
no.

SPEAKER_00 (48:06):
She's Audrey Horn.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (48:08):
well.
Sorry.
I thought I had stumbled uponsomething.
We solved it.
I never watched it.
We just solved Twin Peaks.
I don't know how people aregoing to feel about me.
I've never watched Twin Peaks.
But also she's in the infamousmovie Boxing Helena.
I remember that was a huge dealwhen it came out because she's
basically amputated.
Oh.

(48:28):
She's kept as a prize.

SPEAKER_00 (48:30):
I'm not familiar with this movie.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:33):
It's like one of those like kind of erotic 90s
type movies that were so popularat

SPEAKER_00 (48:38):
the time.
With like amputees being held.
No, no, I'm out.
Yeah, I know.
I've seen Bone Tomahawk.
What is it?
Bone Tomahawk.
Yeah.
After that, I don't need to seeanything involving like amputeed
people being kept for...
No, I'm out.

SPEAKER_02 (48:52):
Fair.

SPEAKER_00 (48:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:53):
Three of Hearts.
And then listen to all theseTV...
TV show she's been part of, RudeAwakening, Gilmore Girls, Ray
Donovan, Shameless, Confess,Goliath, SWAT, and most
recently, Shining Veil, which Iwas just telling you the other
night I want to watch.

SPEAKER_00 (49:09):
So she probably is the individual from this movie
with a pretty wildly successfulcareer.

SPEAKER_02 (49:17):
Wildly successful.

SPEAKER_00 (49:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:18):
Yeah.
And also- I only am saying thisbecause I had just like a trivia
in our socials a while back.
She used to date Johnny Depp.
Oh.
And so in the movie, what is it?
Platoon?
Mm-hmm.
So they kind of did the samething that they did in Aliens
where you were allowed to kindof mark up your gear.

(49:40):
And so he has her name on hishelmet.

SPEAKER_00 (49:44):
That's cool.
Fun fact.
Yeah, it is.
That is a fun fact.

SPEAKER_02 (49:49):
Okay, so last person we're covering, Deborah
Goodrich, who plays Deborah.
Why not?
And actually, I really like her.
It kind of doesn't...

SPEAKER_00 (50:03):
She didn't get to do as much as she did in the other
movie that she was in wecovered.

SPEAKER_02 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah.
She has arguably a much biggerrole in the other film, which
was also...
April

SPEAKER_00 (50:13):
Fool's Day.
I think she was in the openingscene that we played when we
start that episode.
I think

SPEAKER_02 (50:19):
you're right.
Yeah.
Yep, yep.
Yeah, she has a little bit moreof a dynamic character in that
film.
I also just really like her inthis movie.
I wish that there was more wecould talk about with her
filmography, but it might havebeen very much her choice to
step away from acting.
It doesn't totally...

(50:42):
Like.
Vibe for me that her and WilliamZabka were even a couple.

SPEAKER_00 (50:50):
No, it didn't.
It didn't even really feel likethey they didn't show them like
spending like really time likehe was kind of around.
And if anyone else was talkingto her, then he would get like

SPEAKER_02 (51:02):
wildly possessive.

SPEAKER_00 (51:04):
Yeah.
So like there was never anythingshowing them anything.
like really big boyfriend,girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02 (51:10):
No, I never saw any kind of like intimacy or
kindness or sweetness or romancebetween them.
It was always just her beinglike, don't be so mean.
Don't beat them up.
Like,

SPEAKER_01 (51:22):
so I

SPEAKER_02 (51:23):
don't know, but I get it.
Like, and she is arguably themost popular girl in school
because she's homecoming queenor prom queen.
Prom

SPEAKER_00 (51:32):
queen,

SPEAKER_02 (51:32):
yeah.
And, you know, as far as hercredits go, Besides April Fool's
Day in this film, I have themovie Remote Control.
And also she did have some TVappearances.
But her last credit so far,which I think we could probably
say she's retired because it was30 years ago.
Last credit was in 1992 for afilm called Out on a Limb.

(51:57):
But yeah, I really liked her tooin this movie.
Film synopsis.

SPEAKER_00 (52:05):
What do we got?

SPEAKER_02 (52:05):
It's a long one.

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
Is it?
Okay, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 (52:09):
Terry feels discriminated against when the
summer jobs at the Sun Tribunego to two guys.
She decides to do somethingabout it.
She dresses like a guy and getsa haircut.
Will students at the other highschool notice?
Girls notice, air quotes, him.

SPEAKER_00 (52:29):
That's a weird synopsis, like...
Just the girls notice him.
I mean,

SPEAKER_02 (52:34):
like, it's accurate.
Like, it is exactly whathappens.

SPEAKER_00 (52:42):
It is,

SPEAKER_02 (52:43):
yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's whatever.
I mean, the thing...
Here's my thoughts.
I feel like, okay, so we'resmack dab in the middle of 1985.
So we're very much in the eraof, like, of there being a lot

(53:06):
of, like, raunchy teenagecomedies.
And I don't know how far theystrayed from, like, the original
concept for this film.
The brother's room does notobscure anything about all the
Playboy stuff.
Centerfolds that he has on hiswalls.

(53:26):
That

SPEAKER_00 (53:28):
was the fucking craziest thing about his
character is how he wasliterally just like he had
stacks of Playboys that he wasjust like taking centerfolds out
of and like pinning them up onon like the walls, the seal
everywhere.
Everywhere.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
What?

SPEAKER_02 (53:45):
So there's that.
And then I alluded to it at thebeginning of this conversation
that I was but a wee girl andthis movie was on and the scene
where Terry– She's trying to– sobasically, if you haven't seen
this movie, I hope you– I mean,I don't know if in good faith I

(54:05):
could say you should go see thismovie.
But I think to understand thispodcast,

SPEAKER_00 (54:09):
you should see the movie.
It's on Tubi.
Yeah.
Just get the Tubi app.
It's free.
Watch it.
That's free.
Get a couple commercials.
It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 (54:15):
To understand eventually what happens is that–
so everything culminates at theprom.
She's very jealous of Rickbecause of the clip that you
pulled where Rick is making funof William Zabka.
I'm just going to call him that.
What's his actual bully name?
Greg.
Greg.
That's right.
So he's making fun of Greg.

(54:37):
That turns Debra– like he's likegoing to take advantage of the
situation.
He asks if Debra will go to promwith him, meaning Rick.
She says yes.
Terry's very jealous becauseTerry obviously is into Rick.

SPEAKER_01 (54:51):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (54:52):
And so while at prom, though, because Kevin, the
college boyfriend, is sick andtired of basically, like,
getting stood up, not being toldwhat's going on.

SPEAKER_00 (55:04):
He crashes this prom.

SPEAKER_02 (55:05):
He crashes the prom with Buddy.
Yes.
Like, with him.
Why?
Well, because Buddy knew therewas going to be a shit show.

SPEAKER_00 (55:15):
Why?
Buddy's a character in thismovie and he has to be there.
But

SPEAKER_02 (55:18):
I get it.
That actually seemed veryorganically motivated where he's
like, I got to see what happens.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (55:24):
It worked out well for him.

SPEAKER_02 (55:25):
It did.
And actually it's kind ofBuddy's redeeming moment as
well.
Yeah.
I mean, look, for whatever it'sworth, I think it's super
fucking weird that thesesiblings are constantly talking
about sex, sometimes in veryexplicit ways.
It

SPEAKER_00 (55:37):
was a bit much.

SPEAKER_02 (55:38):
But they seem to really love each other.
They seem to have each other'sbacks.

SPEAKER_00 (55:43):
They're good siblings.

SPEAKER_02 (55:43):
They're good siblings.
So when Kevin arrives, becauseeverybody thinks Terry is a
dude,

SPEAKER_00 (55:51):
and

SPEAKER_02 (55:51):
he says, I am Terry's boyfriend.

SPEAKER_00 (55:55):
And everyone's like, what?

SPEAKER_02 (55:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, look, the one thing I'llsay is this.
So Rick is like, oh, I'm justhis friend.

SPEAKER_00 (56:07):
Again, this is 1985.
If someone came in and said thatsame thing in 2025, people would
be like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (56:14):
You'd hope.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:16):
Depending on where you are.

SPEAKER_02 (56:17):
I mean, I understand as a teenage boy who at that
time in history is like, I'm nottrying to take your— your guy
away thinking that Terry is aguy.
However, I'll say this.
When Terry pulls him away andsays, I need to explain
something to you.

SPEAKER_01 (56:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:32):
And before Terry gets even the chance to say I'm
a girl, Rick does seem acceptingof him.
I'm going to call him him inthat moment.

SPEAKER_00 (56:40):
He is.
Yes.
He's like, you're gay.
That's not for me.

SPEAKER_02 (56:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:46):
But that's you.
We're still friends.

SPEAKER_02 (56:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:49):
For 1985?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Progressive.

SPEAKER_00 (56:53):
It wasn't like a reaction of like completely
rejecting you as a person.
Like what the fuck is wrong withyou or

SPEAKER_02 (56:59):
get away from me.
It wasn't anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 (57:02):
No.
So.
The thing is, when she says thatshe's a girl, she's a woman, and
he says, yeah, and I'm CindyLauper.

SPEAKER_02 (57:10):
And I think he gets flack for that.

SPEAKER_00 (57:12):
He has stated that this mispronunciation has
haunted him.
And he hears the butcheredsurname almost daily.

SPEAKER_02 (57:22):
Aw,

SPEAKER_00 (57:23):
poor

SPEAKER_02 (57:24):
guy.
I misspeak about things all thetime.

SPEAKER_00 (57:28):
Just give this guy a break, okay?

SPEAKER_02 (57:30):
Every single episode, I'm saying things
wrong.
It's the

SPEAKER_00 (57:34):
first thing we clocked when that scene happens.
Like, what did he say?

SPEAKER_02 (57:38):
I mean, did he not know who she was?
I don't know.
And it's also like, why didn'tyou just reshoot the scene?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (57:44):
yeah.
So many options, but there itis.

SPEAKER_02 (57:46):
It's like in Clueless, Alicia Silverstone...
Did not know that you say thisparticular word as Haitians.

SPEAKER_00 (57:57):
Did you say Haitians?

SPEAKER_02 (57:58):
She says Haitians.
Okay.
And they kept it.
because it kind of works for thecharacter.
In that movie, it works.
In this one, you're like, huh?

SPEAKER_00 (58:07):
Because you already kind of think that Rick is not
weird necessarily, but he's likea little bit of his own thing.
He is.
So when he said Cindy Lauper,it's totally possible that
that's just like, that's how thecharacter would say it.
That's how the

SPEAKER_02 (58:20):
character would say it.
So anyway, just to, you know, ifwe're trying to find little
diamonds in the dust here oflike things that are like
worthwhile noting about the filmin a positive way

SPEAKER_00 (58:33):
yeah

SPEAKER_02 (58:34):
i think that's one of them that he doesn't
immediately reject terry

SPEAKER_00 (58:38):
but then he still doesn't believe her and so she
has to find a way to make himbelieve correct so what does she
do

SPEAKER_02 (58:44):
what does she do

SPEAKER_00 (58:46):
yeah what does she do because i had not seen the
movie before and before ithappened you're like this is one
of my core memories

SPEAKER_02 (59:13):
To not know that this is coming.
I mean, even with all the nudityon the walls of Buddy's room.
There's

SPEAKER_00 (59:19):
so much nudity in so many movies that we watched.
Like, honestly, her flashing himreally didn't faze me.
I'm like, oh, wow, this is likewe made it really far in this
movie.

SPEAKER_02 (59:29):
It's a terrible thing to experience with your
parent.

SPEAKER_00 (59:33):
But that like you made it like 95% of the way
through the movie and thensuddenly boobs.
But I just imagine like all theshit with Buddy and all the
other like innuendo andraunchiness.
And then you're probablythinking like, oh, my God, we're
going to make it out of hereunscathed.

SPEAKER_02 (59:52):
So, I mean, I don't know.
Off the top of my head, I don'tknow what you do to convince
someone.
I mean, maybe she could havejust been like, let me go home
and dress up and I'll show youthat.
I am a girl.
I don't need to, but

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:07):
whatever.
That for sure is what happenedagain then in She's All That.
Wait, not She's All That.
She's the Man.
She's the Man, yeah.
Amanda Bynes did the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:16):
Yeah.
I mean, all Amanda Bynes, andthe only reason why I have a
clear memory of that film isbecause it randomly was on TV
the other day when I was doingstuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:24):
But I don't think they actually show the nudity in
that movie versus...
There's no nudity.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
There's none.
It's like

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:29):
a PG film.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
And all she does is she takes off her wig.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:33):
So that's actually the main difference, is that
Amanda Bynes never cuts herhair, and she's the man.
She wears a wig.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:40):
And so all she has to do is take off her wig, and
she wears like...
Like she wears like prostheticbrows, eyebrows, and that look,
I guess, a little bit morerugged to denote her being a
boy.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:54):
So she

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:55):
takes off her eyebrows and she takes off her
wig and they're like, oh my God,you're a girl.
Terry,

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:00):
in contrast, wore a wig at the beginning of the
movie.
And had her hair cut.
But yeah, she was wearing a wigin the opening scenes when she,
yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:09):
Well, was she wearing a wig or did she have
her hair long and then they cutit for her scenes as a boy?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:13):
No, she wore a wig for the early scenes.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:15):
interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:16):
But then whatever hair she did, so it was the wig
was probably longer.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:19):
Was that really her

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:21):
hairstyle?
I don't know if it was.
Like the beginning with the wig,I don't know.
But like the short hair.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:27):
Did she have like basically Janet from Three's
Company hair?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:31):
She still had it cut, so she wore a wig and she
had it cut.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:35):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:35):
Yeah.
There's a lot of hair stuffgoing

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:37):
on.
There's a lot of hair stuffgoing on.
So then he's like, okay, I getit.
But then he's obviously upset.
So this is the one thing aboutall these fucking types of
movies where they do this shit,where the person who's upset has
every fucking right to be upset.
Like, you completely betrayedthat person by being– A person

(01:02:01):
that you are not, you know?
And, like, maybe he would havenever confided to you about
certain things if he knew youwere a girl or whatever,
whatever, whatever.
Yeah.
So he is understandably not okaywith her being a girl.
He storms off, right?
Buddy hooks up with Sandy.
And then, like I said, this isan epilogue.

(01:02:26):
So I do think this is, like,past the initial, like, two-week
episode.
Because her

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:32):
hair had slightly grown out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:33):
Yeah.
Oh, and sorry, we kind of missedthe fact that she does win the
contest because of the story shesubmits about her experience
with Rick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:42):
Yes, this all would have been for nothing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:45):
If she had not also won that writing contest.
But

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:47):
also it's like, yeah, I guess you have the right
to tell your story, but I don'tknow if it's okay to tell
somebody else's story in such apublic way.
Yeah.
Like it's kind of not okay.

UNKNOWN (01:02:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:58):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:59):
Yeah.
And it's very similar to NeverBeen Kissed, where it's like,
yes, that is Drew Barrymore'sstory, but she is also
telling...
I mean, the...
And arguably, Dicey.
Dicey, that she's telling hisstory because he's a teacher.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (01:03:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:15):
It's a good thing that she, in fact, was not a
student.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:18):
But still, like, it's a little to catch a
predator.
Yes.

UNKNOWN (01:03:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:23):
Like, because you didn't know that, teach.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:25):
You didn't know that, teacher.
But back to Terry.
So she wins.
The story is posted in thenewspaper.
She now has the summer job.
And like Buddy, I guess, comesto pick her up or something like
that from her job.

(01:03:46):
And then they're talking for asecond.
They turn around and there'sRick.
And Buddy conveniently getspicked up by some site, like
biker chick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:56):
Yeah.
That was weird.
I'm like, wait, do I know whothat is?
No, no.
Just, just some biker chickrolls up and he hops on and they
take off.
Yep.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:06):
So that's how his story plays out.
And then pretty quickly Rick'slike, like, he's like, you know,
I read your story.
Is it true?
And she's like, yes.
And I don't, I think they kisseven, but they, which I kind of
like, I don't think they do, dothey?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:26):
I mean, they, I think they kiss at the prom,
which is a whole other thing.
Well, yes, that's right.
She

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:30):
kisses him.
And that also was not okay forher to just do that in front of
everybody.
Yeah.
Regardless of whether or notthey thought she was a guy or a
girl.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:41):
But then at the end, they just kind of like, they
just go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:45):
Yeah, they're like, the assumption is that they're
probably going to repair therelationship and probably date.
Yeah.
So, and that is just one of theguys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:58):
And it was actually filmed in parts of Phoenix.
Oh, okay.
Scottsdale.
You

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:03):
clocked that right away.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:03):
Well, yeah, I recognize the plates.
And, like, she had to have,like...
Stuff wrapped around her bodywhen she was filming the male
scenes and it was like 90.
So a

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:17):
lot of it is actually on location.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:19):
So I don't know how the problem was at the ocean.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:21):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:24):
I mean,

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:25):
or like maybe it could have been a lake.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:28):
I feel like there was a lot of there's a

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:29):
lot of way back.
Oh, and that's what I was goingto say.
Buddy's one redeeming quality,aside from the fact that it
seems like he just does have agood relationship with his
sister.
He helps her with his wholeruse.
But at the end, when Greg throwsher into the water, he attacks
Greg as well.
Yes.
So probably with full knowledgethat he's going to get his ass

(01:05:50):
beat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:52):
Buddy don't care.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:53):
Buddy don't care.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:53):
Buddy don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:55):
So I'm very curious, Derek, would you ever want to
watch this movie again?
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:01):
think I would.
I think it was fun.
Yeah.
It was so ridiculous.
I mean, again, watching it forthe first time in 2025 was
eye-opening in terms of whatwould have been...
Not only can we do this, butyeah, we're going to do this,
and it's just going to behilarious, and everyone's going

(01:06:22):
to enjoy that.
What a difference...
I'm not

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:35):
quite sure how they would fashion that film, because
even She's the Man, like, Ithink conception, like, ideas
about gender, sexuality, like,all of that, even...
What would that have been now,15 years ago?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:48):
Well, like in terms of right right now, yeah, no, I
don't think.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:52):
Yeah.
Well, I just mean that like Ithink that there would just be a
lot more nuance you would haveto bring to what does it mean
that somebody is presenting assomething that they're not.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:04):
Yeah, no, I think it's possible to do that.
But like who am I to say that?
I think that like– Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:07:27):
Because we watch older comedies,and it seems like they're dated
in ways where you couldn't dothat.
But then you watch currentcomedies, and they've just
somehow, in some ways, foundways to evolve those jokes in
ways that work.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:40):
But also, we don't get many...
Comedies are now relegated tostreaming.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:45):
We don't...
No, that's fair.
A lot of them get missed.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:50):
All right.
Sneak peek.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:52):
Okay.
Once again...
I have no prior knowledge.
You have

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:56):
no prior knowledge.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:57):
I have nothing.
And I appreciate that you'vestopped telling me since you
knew that I would forget beforeeach...

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:01):
Oh, that's not why.
I just haven't kind of thoughtabout it until we're recording.
This is not a clue, but Ithink...
Even though I...
Look, I really appreciate thatyou said that you enjoyed this
movie.
I'm not saying it's a goodmovie, but it is a film from my
youth, I guess you would say.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:19):
know where to find

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:20):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We own it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:22):
That's where I'd find it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:24):
So I think you'll enjoy this movie more.
This is kind of a Derek pick.
Oh, really?
Even though you don't even knowit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:30):
That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:35):
So it is bringing back a couple people that we
have talked about a few times interms of actor, main actor and
director.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:44):
Interesting.
Interesting.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:46):
They have worked together several times.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:48):
Okay.
That's good.
Good clue.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:51):
And actually, as far as actor is concerned, you, in a
roundabout way, referred to himwhen you brought up Bone
Tomahawk.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:04):
So

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:04):
first, who's the actor?
And it's not Kirk Douglas.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:07):
God damn it.
It's not Michael Douglas.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:13):
who is actually

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:14):
Bo Tomahawk?
Oh, Kurt Russell.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:16):
Okay.

UNKNOWN (01:09:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:19):
So who's the director he's worked with a lot?

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:21):
I don't know.
Yes, you do.
No, I definitely don't.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:24):
Yes, you do.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:25):
don't know what directors he's worked with.
John Carpenter.
Oh, yeah, John Carpenter.
Okay, that makes sense.
Because of Big Trouble in LittleChina.
Oh, my God, we're going to doEscape from New York.
Yes.
Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:39):
Good job.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:40):
Took me a second, but I got there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:41):
I know.
That was very good.
Yes.
We were doing Escape from NewYork.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:47):
Snake Bliskin.
That's his character.
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:49):
don't really know the movie that well.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:52):
So this is

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:52):
going to be you leading the charge on this one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:55):
Lee Van Cleef is in it.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:57):
I knew that that's a big reason

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:59):
why you love it.
Ernest Borgnine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:00):
Yeah.
There's a lot of people in it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:01):
There are.
Harry Dean Stanton.
Yep.
Adrienne Barbeau.
Harry Dean Stanton is a bit of asnake in this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's not a great guy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:09):
Isn't Kurt Russell's name Snake?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:11):
His nickname is Snake, but Harry Dean Stanton is
an actual.
Is an actual

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:14):
snake.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:15):
Yeah, he acts very snaky.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:17):
Got it.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of people inthis movie.
So I'm excited to talk about itwith you.
And on that note, thank you toeveryone for taking the time to
listen to our podcast when weknow you have a lot of choices
out there.
Oh, if you'd like to get intouch with us, we'd love to talk
to you.
Oh, we did not do our call toaction.
No, I

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:36):
did.
A couple times.
What did you do?
I can't remember.
I think I did it though.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:42):
I mean, I honestly, I have no idea how well known
this movie is.
So I'm sorry that sometimes mycall to actions are pretty
basic, but I'm just like trulycurious who the hell knows about
this movie.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:54):
That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:55):
So if you want to reach out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:59):
Now that we have reached the end of this episode,
have you heard of this?

UNKNOWN (01:11:04):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:05):
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Blue Sky.
It is the same handle at allthree.
It is at 80s Montage Pod.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:12):
I feel like there used to be another one that we
used to be on, but then that oneis now run by an actual Nazi.
Is that what happened?
So yeah, we're not on that one.
Blue

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:21):
Sky for the win.
Yeah.
And the handle at 80s MontagePod.
MontagePod in ages is 8-0-S.
It's because I talk too fastsometimes.
I can't get the words out.
On that note.
Yes.
Thank you, everybody.
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