Stripes

In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss subtle Bill Murray vs. over-the-top Bill Murray, if it's okay to shave someone's head without first telling them and much more during their discussion of Ivan Reitman's Stripes (1981). 

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello Where

SPEAKER_04 (00:19):
the hell have you been soldier training sir What
kind of training son

SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Whoa, and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_03 (00:36):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
And that was Bill Murray as John Winger in 1981's
Stripes.

SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Yeah.
I paused for a second becauseIMDb doesn't give a last name.
It's just John.

SPEAKER_03 (00:51):
Yeah, it is funny how sometimes they leave out a
character's last name.

SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
You're not fooling me.
It's Winger.

SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
It is Winger.

SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
No one even calls him John.
Maybe at the very beginning.
Not as often.
His

SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
soon-to-be ex-girlfriend

SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
calls him

SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
John.
But yes.
Stripes.
Stripes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
In many ways, it's a very 80s movie.
But in other ways, it also feelslike they made it in the 70s.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15):
Yeah.
I mean, it's so early in the80s.
A lot of those films have thatfeel to them.
Especially like the haircuts andstuff feel very

SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
70s.
Big time.
Some of the music is supergroovy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25):
We'll get into the music.
Yeah.
Let's just dive in.
Yeah.
Sorry, I'm laughing because Ihadn't seen this movie in a
really long time, and I don'tknow how I feel about

SPEAKER_00 (01:39):
it.
We haven't seen it in a longtime, although it's on TV a lot.
It's just on cable, andapparently you do get a slightly
edited, watered-down versionbecause this movie has nudity on
par with Slumber Party Massacre.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55):
Yeah, it's like a Porky's with all the image, but
yes.
But it is one of those movies Isaw far too young.
All right, so let's jump in.
Written by credits.
Three people who are creditedfor this film.

SPEAKER_00 (02:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
One, I think pretty much everybody knows, and we'll
get to him last.
Ooh.
But...
You know, it's always kind ofinteresting when you have
multiple writers on something.
I mean, a lot of time people arejust not credited who do maybe
polishes or punch it up withjokes or things like that.
This

SPEAKER_00 (02:32):
feels like it's at least two separate movies, so
it's not...

SPEAKER_03 (02:34):
Yeah, and there was a section of the film...
I don't know if it was actuallyfilmed, but there was going to
be this big hallucination scene,

SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
I think.
Yes, the LSD scene in Columbia.

SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
Yeah, they might as well have thrown it in because
it already is...
Kind of a disjointed film, butin any case, let's get to it
with these writers.
So Len Blum is the first personcredited.
And when you look at thecredits, I mean, to be honest,
both for Len and the nextperson, not a ton of credits.

(03:08):
Because one person was mostly aproducer.
It makes all the sense in theworld, like this kind of humor
and comedy.
Because Len has a credit forboth the original Meatballs...
Also directed by Ivan Reitmanand starring Bill Murray.
And Meatballs 3, colon, summerjob.
I

SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
haven't even seen 2.

SPEAKER_03 (03:29):
No, I don't think I need to.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
I

SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
think the original, which I do really enjoy the
original, but it's just underthe wire of the 70s, so we can't
do it.

SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (03:43):
But it would have been a really fun movie to
cover.

SPEAKER_00 (03:46):
Well, we could just...
Cheat on it and do two or three.

SPEAKER_03 (03:50):
No cheating.
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
And then just talk about it.
And then just talk about what?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
I think I've never seen two or three.
I think we'd be reallydisappointed from what I've
heard.
Okay.
The rumor.
The rumor.
The rumor is that they'redisappointing.
But we have, like I said, thosetwo meatball films, Beethoven's
second, Private Parts, the onethat covers-

SPEAKER_00 (04:13):
Harold-

SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
Howard Stern.
Howard Stern.
Yeah, Howard Stern.
And then the Steve Martin PinkPanther.
Okay.
So that's what we have for Len.
And then we have DanielGoldberg.
He recently passed away in 2023.
He was more so a producer than awriter, but every once in a
while a producer is going to geta writing credit because they
did have influence on thescript.

(04:37):
And he has the same...
So I don't know to what degreeLen and Daniel work together,
but he has...
Two identical credits.
He also was credited onMeatballs and Meatballs 3 Summer
Job.

SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
Summer Job.

SPEAKER_03 (04:49):
Yeah, Summer Job.
And then another film calledFeds.
And that's kind of all I havebecause, like I said, he more so
had his hand in producing thanwriting.

SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
There's one other credit I just want to give
credit for, for Len, which hewrote a couple segments, I
think, in Heavy Metal.
That weird, bizarre, fever dreamanimated musical movie.

SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
I am not

SPEAKER_00 (05:10):
familiar.
From the 80s, yeah.
It's...
It's real weird.
Okay.
But it's very much like a cultclassic kind of thing.
Okay.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (05:17):
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (05:19):
And then the third person that is credited as the
writer, Harold Ramis, who alsostars in the film.

SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
Heard of that guy.

SPEAKER_03 (05:28):
And, I mean, it still makes me really sad that
he's no longer with us.
He passed away in 2014, sothat's crazy.
It's already been over 10 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was amazing as far as hiscomedy chops.
Definitely in front of thecamera.
I mean, I think he's mostbeloved as Egon, I would say.

(05:48):
I think so, yeah.
And Ghostbusters.
But he was a phenomenal writer,great comedic genius.
And so for the purposes of thissection, I'm just naming off
some other writing credits.
So we have SCTV.
SCTV.

SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
So

SPEAKER_03 (06:07):
that is kind of the Canadian version of SNL.

SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
Second City TV.

SPEAKER_03 (06:13):
Yeah, which is funny because Second City TV is
Chicago.
I mean, Second City Chicago.
But in any case, so wrote onthat, wrote on a different TV
series called Delta House.

SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (06:23):
He was a writer on Meatballs and Meatballs 3 Summer
Job.

SPEAKER_00 (06:28):
Oh, well, it can't be all bad then.

SPEAKER_03 (06:30):
I'm wondering if maybe the third film...
I wonder if it's like...
I didn't take too close a look.
I wonder if it's likecharacters, so they were just
like grandfathered.
I don't know.
But, I mean, huge films that hewas behind as far as the
writing.
Caddyshack.

SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (06:46):
Caddyshack 2.

SPEAKER_00 (06:47):
Well...
I think that's another...
They can all be bangers.

SPEAKER_03 (06:50):
Or it's like, yeah, it's just money grab.
But...
All like basically all theghosts.
So because he originatedcharacters in the original
Ghostbusters film, like he wasgrandfathered into kind of all
those other films.

SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
Call to action.
Which sequel is worse?
Caddyshack 2 or Meatballs 2?
Let us know.

SPEAKER_03 (07:06):
That's a great call to action.
So just has credits for like allthe Ghostbuster properties.
Back to school.
Groundhog Day.
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
yeah.
Back to school.
Forgot about that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:19):
Yeah.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Monday.
Monday.
Did you say Monday or one day?
One day.
We're not doing it on Monday.
Analyze This as well as AnalyzeThat and Bedazzled, which you
know what?
I hadn't thought about thatmovie in forever.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
kind of a weird movie, but it's good.
I like it.

SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
I actually really like it.
Okay.
So we will talk about Remusagain extensively throughout the
course of this episode.
Moving on to directed by,already mentioned his name, Ivan
Reitman.
Unfortunately, this is going tobe one of those episodes where a
lot of the main players are nolonger with us.
And he too, he passed away morerecently in 2022.

(08:01):
And, you know, it's funnybecause I primarily think of him
as a director, but if you go bycredits, he definitely produced
way more than he directed.

SPEAKER_00 (08:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:11):
And in fact, you know, he, I think it's
interesting, his one Oscarnomination was for Best Picture
because he was a producer on thefilm Up in the Air.

SPEAKER_00 (08:21):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 (08:22):
Yeah.
Okay.
So he had that.
But as far as his, strictlyspeaking, directing credits.
So he, like I mentioned, he diddirect Meatballs.
He did direct the first twoGhostbuster films.

SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
And the Ray Parker Jr.
Ghostbusters music

SPEAKER_03 (08:37):
video.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
You know, this film shows acollaboration between a lot of
these like comedic greatsbetween Reitman and Murray and
Ramis and even John Candy, wherethese people really liked
working together.
I mean, I'm not going to reallygo down that path of like the
falling out between Murray andRamis much later on.

(08:59):
Essentially happened onGroundhog Day.
They did reconcile to myunderstanding before Ramis
passed.
But I'm just going to focus moreso on like the great
collaborations that they hadtogether um and this is i guess
arguably one of them i don'tknow if it's my favorite i think
ghostbusters is my favorite asfar as it's yeah collaboration

SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
i think i think so

SPEAKER_03 (09:22):
so he and then and he also had a really great
relationship with arnoldschwarzenegger i think that are

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
they still making the twins sequel like his son
right i

SPEAKER_03 (09:35):
don't know oh yeah sorry i thought I thought you
were talking about likecharacter wise.
I was like, no, I think they'dbe playing the same characters.
But yes, maybe.
I haven't heard about that filmin quite a while.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure.
But yes, to that point, hedirected Schwarzenegger for the
first time in Twins.
And then they came together afew more times because he

(09:57):
directed Kindergarten Cop aswell as Junior.
He also directed Dave and NoStrings Attached.
So I think that was like kind ofhis last major film he directed,
but ton of producing throughoutthe course of his career.
And just, you know, a great asfar as like cinematic history

(10:18):
and specifically comedy.
My one little Ivan Reitman, it'snot even a story.
Oh, what is it?
It's got to be a story.
So I interned at the Cannes FilmFestival one year and we were
just at the pavilion some–presentation or whatever was
going to start and he wassitting behind me.

(10:40):
That's my little story.
I did not talk to him, did notmake eye contact him, but I knew
he was behind me.
You

SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
didn't like try to sit up really tall to make him
have to tell you like...

SPEAKER_03 (10:48):
Excuse me, you're blocking me.
No.
So there you go for whateverthat's worth.
Okay, moving on tocinematography.
Not the first time we havebrought up Bill Butler.
Okay.
Unfortunately, he's also passed.
He passed in 2023 at 101 yearsold.

SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
Holy

SPEAKER_03 (11:07):
shit.
I think he passed just a fewdays before he would have turned
102.
Wow.
But, yeah.
So a really fun filmography witha lot of the films that he shot.
And he– a lot of range.
I mean, he did get an Oscarnomination for Best
Cinematography.

(11:28):
He– was very early in hiscareer.
And technically speaking, he'scredited for additional
photography.
But for whatever the rules wereat that time for the Oscars, he
was included in the group forBest Cinematography.
He was not the primary DP onthat film.
So just to make that clear.
However, some of his othercredits, Death Master.

(11:51):
Oh, wow.
The Conversation, which is agreat film, which we...
could cover it as well as i wishwe could cover maybe we maybe we
will do a 70s podcast at somepoint in the future because he's
the dp on jaws shit so and imean that is a whole story about
just the the

SPEAKER_02 (12:13):
log that that was

SPEAKER_03 (12:16):
to film because look to his credit it worked out i
thought it it it helps to makethe film authentic.
But Spielberg was like, we areshooting this on the ocean.
So, but that comes with a slewof problems.

SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
They didn't, they didn't shoot all of it on the
ocean.
No,

SPEAKER_03 (12:34):
there was, I think a tank that was created.

SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
The tank on the universal lot.
Yeah.
But he

SPEAKER_03 (12:39):
wanted to film on, like he wanted the authenticity.
Yeah.
So a

SPEAKER_00 (12:42):
fair bit of.
Like the beach scenes and stuff.
Yeah.
But no, but

SPEAKER_03 (12:45):
some scenes on the water.
Okay.
Which does, you know, water'sbobbing.
Yeah.
So, so it was a whole thing.
But in any case.
He also shot Damien Colon OmenPart 2 or just Omen 2.
Yeah.
He did Grease.
So that's a fun one.
Also 70s.
And then here we go.
Because he was the DP, not onall of them, but like on a fair

(13:07):
number of the Rocky films.
Oh, okay.
So he was the DP for Rocky 2, 3,and 4.
And of course we covered 4.
Yes.
With David.
And I mean, huge, huge, hugeRocky fan.
So please go check that one outbecause he's just very fun to
talk to about films he justloves so much.
He also shot, he did a lot ofsequels.

(13:28):
He did The Sting 2.

SPEAKER_00 (13:30):
When did The Sting come out?

SPEAKER_03 (13:32):
73.
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (13:34):
damn.

SPEAKER_03 (13:35):
I don't know when The Sting 2 came out, though.

SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
83.

SPEAKER_03 (13:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
He shot Biloxi Blues.
That's an 80s film.
Child's Play, which...
You know what?

SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
What?
Child's Play is an 80s?
That can't be the...

SPEAKER_03 (13:48):
What?
What do you mean it can't be the80s?
Of course it's the 80s.

SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Really?
Yeah.
Of course.
I had no idea.
I

SPEAKER_03 (13:53):
mean, it's...
actually a very thrivingfranchise

SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
well but that's why i didn't i don't think i real
for some reason i thought it waslike more mid 90s okay

SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
um and now that i'm thinking about it maybe that's
just gonna be a part of our

SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
yeah exactly you

SPEAKER_03 (14:11):
need to get to that one

SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (14:12):
he also did hot shots and anaconda which i heard
are they rebooting it or is itlike a sequel

SPEAKER_00 (14:20):
uh i

SPEAKER_03 (14:20):
think that's happening

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
it's got to be a reboot right i don't i don't
know

SPEAKER_03 (14:24):
I think it's, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Son of Anaconda.

SPEAKER_03 (14:27):
Okay, here we go.
You mentioned music.
Elmer Bernstein.
Holy cow.
Not the first time we've broughthim up.
We've actually brought him upmultiple times.
But I think it has been a minutesince we've brought him up.
And he too has passed.
He passed in 2004.
Over 250 composing credits.

(14:49):
This guy was a giant in theindustry.
I mean, holy cow.
I've listed almost 30 creditsfor him because it's just
like...
Damn.
And it is absolutely hilariouswhen you think about the range
of films that he scored over thecourse of his career.

(15:10):
I mean, it's all over the place.
So I am also going to go throughall the...
He did win, but a ton morenominations.
And because it's been a minute,I'm going to list them off.
So...
Early in his career, the manwith the golden arm, he

SPEAKER_00 (15:25):
gets...
Oh my God, that's sodisappointing.
I thought you were going to saythe man with the golden gun.

SPEAKER_03 (15:29):
Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
That's a visceral response.

SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
I mean, I was right there.
You were right

SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
there until the end.
He did get a best score nom.
He also scored the TenCommandments.
Oh, okay.
I mean, it's like this guy, hedoes the Ten Commandments and he
does stripes.
It's kind of just wild to me,but...
The guy had range.
So he was very closelyaffiliated with the Magnificent
Seven franchise.

(15:57):
He got a score nomination forthe first film.
He also got a score nominationfor the second film, Return of
the Seven.
Also scored on Guns of theMagnificent Seven, as well as
the...
It's hard to say it so manytimes.
The Magnificent Seven Ride!Exclamation point.
So he did that.
The Birdman of Alcatraz.

(16:17):
He gets his next scorenomination for Summer in Smoke.
He gets, and this is even morewild to me, the guy who scored
Stripes also scored To KillMockingbird.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Got a nomination for that one.
And then, you know, I'vementioned that every once in a
while you see these composerswho dip also into, like, songs.

(16:40):
So he does get an original songnomination for Walk on the Wild
Side.

SPEAKER_00 (16:45):
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (16:45):
Wow.
He scored HUD, The Great Escape.
He gets double nominations forfor both original song and score
for the film Hawaii.
He finally wins.
Finally, finally wins.
His one and only win for thefilm Thoroughly Modern Millie.

SPEAKER_00 (17:03):
That was for best score.
I'm not familiar with thatpicture.

SPEAKER_03 (17:08):
I'm not either.
Does it have, oh my goodness,Warren Beatty's sister, I think,
in it.
I can't believe I'm blanking onher name and I'm naming her by
her brother.
What's her name?
What?
Oh, my gosh.
Shirley MacLaine.

SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Wait, really?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (17:32):
you didn't know their brother and sister?
I

SPEAKER_00 (17:33):
did not.

SPEAKER_03 (17:34):
Let me see if that is who I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_00 (17:38):
They changed their names to throw me off.

SPEAKER_03 (17:41):
Oh, no, I was wrong.
It's Julie Andrews.

SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Okay, that's different.

SPEAKER_03 (17:45):
But, you know, she was also very popular at the

SPEAKER_00 (17:48):
time.

SPEAKER_02 (17:49):
Yes.
All right.
I don't know

SPEAKER_03 (17:51):
why I thought it was Shirley MacLaine, but in any
case.
Okay.
He gets another nomination thistime for original song for the
original True Grit.
He gets another original songfor the movie Gold.
He scores The Trial of BillyJack.
And then there's just this likemajor pivot because then he
starts scoring films likeNational Lampoon's Animal House.

(18:13):
Amazing.
Meatball.
So he obviously is friendly withReitman.

SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
yeah.
Yeah.
He scores, and this is maybe notin chronological order, but one
of the times that we brought himup, he scored Airplane.
We did that one with Jeff.
Go check that one out.
He also scored Airplane 2, thesequel.
We also talked about AmericanWerewolf in London.
He scored that.
We also talked about TradingPlaces.

(18:40):
He scored that and got anomination for it.
So there's that.
Of course he scoredGhostbusters.
He did Spies Like Us, ThreeAmigos.
So it's just like a literallyhilarious time in his career.
And I'm not saying that in anegative way, but he just comedy

(19:00):
after comedy after comedy.

SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
He was the composer of the God theme from the Blues
Brothers.

SPEAKER_03 (19:06):
Oh, nice.
I like that.
I didn't list that one.
He does, did I already say ThreeAmigos?
Yeah.
Then he swings back.
And he scores My Left Foot.

SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
That's quite a swing.

SPEAKER_03 (19:19):
Yeah.
He does The Grifters.
So he kind of like does allthese huge, like a lot of epics.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Got range.

SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
Range.
And then he goes through a timein his career where he's like
comedy, comedy, comedy.
And then as he gets to like kindof the final third of his
career, he kind of swings back.

SPEAKER_00 (19:37):
Again, I don't know how to categorize it.
And it's interesting because Ithink there's a lot of like just
like rock music in it in heavymetal.
But that same animated film thatI mentioned before, he was a
conductor on that too.

SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
Oh, conductor or

SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
composer?
Conductor.

SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
Okay, conductor.

SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
Yeah.
Got it.

SPEAKER_03 (19:55):
He gets another score nomination for The Age of
Innocence.
He does Twilight.
He does Bringing Out the Dead.
And then his final Oscar nombest score was for Far From
Heaven.

SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (20:08):
Okay.
Moving on to editing.

SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Twilight, not the Twilight with the Vampires.
No,

SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
it's with, I think, Susan Sarandon.

SPEAKER_00 (20:17):
Gene Hackman.
Gene Hackman, yeah.
Yeah, just for clarification.

SPEAKER_03 (20:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Because I was confused.
I thought vampires?

SPEAKER_03 (20:24):
Good clarification.
So, film editing, Harry Keller.
He actually passed quite early.
He passed in 1987.
He was also a director, so hehas...
A fair number of directingcredits.
However, strictly speaking,because he edited on this film,
that's what we'll cover.
His first editing credit, 1939.

(20:45):
Holy shit.
And I think, if I remembercorrectly, when I was kind of
going through his bio, he had avery...
He had his foot in a lot ofWesterns.
I think he directed a ton ofWesterns.
And also from some of thesecredits, you can tell he edited
a fair number of Westerns.

(21:06):
He did My Pale Trigger.
The

SPEAKER_00 (21:10):
list of credits is like the most Western-ish list
of credits I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_03 (21:15):
Twilight on the Rio Grande.
Grande?
Rio

SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Grande.

SPEAKER_03 (21:20):
Okay.
Lonely Heart Bandits.
This is obviously much morerecent in terms of the 80s.
He cut Stir Crazy, the man whowasn't there.
And then his final credit wasTransylvania 6-5000.
We got to

SPEAKER_00 (21:36):
watch that eventually.
It's going to have to happen,isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 (21:38):
Is that 80s?

SPEAKER_00 (21:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (21:41):
So more of the Western titles.
Sheriff of Sundown.
Firebrands of Arizona.
They're so

SPEAKER_03 (21:47):
fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:48):
Tucson Raiders.
Mojave Firebrand.
It's just...
It's endless.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
No, I mean, the guy...
It's interesting that he...
I mean, when I was in school,like, I know not everybody can
be named who is part of theindustry, but it seems like he
was extremely, like...
influential i think that yesthere's the studio system but
still directors were able tomake their mark despite that and

(22:15):
i have a feeling if we hadtalked about did i ever have a
western specific course i don'tthink i did but i wonder if he
gets brought up because it seemslike he should

SPEAKER_00 (22:24):
i bet they bring up movies like days of old cheyenne
king of the cowboys

SPEAKER_03 (22:30):
All right.
Oh, this is what I was thinkingof because there's actually a
couple more editors on this.
I'm going to say that Harry wasprobably the most influential,
but maybe for differentsequences.
Who knows?
But that's what I was thinkingof because I remember seeing a
female name.

(22:51):
We'll get to her in a second.
She just has a couple ofcredits.
But Michael Luciano.
So he also passed.
He passed in 1992.
Okay.
really interesting filmography.
He, some, I mean, multiple Oscarnominations.
So I'm not quite sure what thedynamic was between him and
Keller, but he cut on the returnof Rin Tin Tin, Kiss Me Deadly.

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So he also very much had acareer long before this film
came along.
Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.
I think it's interesting becausewe have that one and we also
have Hush, Hush, SweetCharlotte, which both by Davis.

SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
Oh, really?
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (23:29):
Um, He got a Best Film Editing Oscar nom for that.
The last three films I have forhim as well, all film editing
Oscar noms.
The Flight of the Phoenix.

SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
The original one.
Yeah, because there was a remakeof that, I think.
Was there?
I think so.

SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
With

SPEAKER_00 (23:48):
Dennis Quaid.

SPEAKER_03 (23:48):
Oh, okay.
He also cut The Dirty Dozen.
So did that.
And then the longest, theoriginal, The Longest Yard.

UNKNOWN (23:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
Was the remake of The Longest Yard the Adam
Sandler one?

SPEAKER_03 (24:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (24:05):
Yeah.
The original is...
Is

SPEAKER_03 (24:08):
that with Burt Reynolds?

SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Yeah, it is.
They're like different movies.

SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (24:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
All right.
And then finally, Eva Ruggiero.
She too has an editing credit.

SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (24:20):
And some of her credits include The Mountain Men
and Savannah Smiles.

SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
And I don't know why I keep bringing this up, but it
keeps coming up.
Heavy metal.
Jesus

SPEAKER_03 (24:29):
Christ.
Okay.
All right.
Stars of the show.
We're going to start with BillMurray.
We have brought him up a coupletimes.
And actually, there's stillspace for us to bring him up
again in the future.
So to your point, you said itearlier, he plays John Winger.
And I mean...

(24:53):
He's still very much goingstrong.
He has maybe just a touch, atouch of a Tom Hanks kind of
career where like started very,very strong in comedy.
He still really does comedy, buthe has pivoted out time to time,
sometimes into straight drama.

(25:14):
He

SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
has, yeah, but...

SPEAKER_03 (25:17):
He isn't quite Tom Hanks in terms of like, does
Hanks even do...
any comedies anymore?

SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
I mean, other than when he's on SNL, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (25:27):
Oh my God.
What's his name?
David St.
Pumpkin?

SPEAKER_00 (25:31):
David S.
Pumpkins.

SPEAKER_03 (25:32):
David S.
Pumpkins.
Thank you.
St.
Pumpkins would have been funtoo.

SPEAKER_00 (25:36):
So there's that.
And then he was on like at leastone episode of Black Jeopardy.

SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Tom Hanks.
Yes.
Okay.
But Bill Murray.
So he's had a really interestingcareer.
I don't think except for SNL,he's really done any television.
It's really all film.
And yeah, I mean, breakout role,maybe meatballs.
I mean, that's right around thetime of his time on SNL.

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I mean, it was like kind of hisway of pivoting out.

SPEAKER_00 (26:07):
Yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:09):
Into film.
Yeah.
In the same way that I would sayJohn Belushi did with Animal
House.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (26:15):
So here we go.
I mean, just hit after hit afterhit.
So Caddyshack, which we have notcovered yet.
Tootsie, which we have covered.
I really like his performance inTootsie.
Actually...
It's

SPEAKER_00 (26:29):
a little bit less, like, frenetic.

SPEAKER_03 (26:32):
I like understated Bill Murray.

SPEAKER_00 (26:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (26:35):
And I think he's great in that.
So, of course, the role thatreally...
I don't know.
He's already a star.
I mean, he was a star in thismovie.
That's why he and Harold Ramisdidn't have to get the shaved
heads like everybody else.

SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
That's right.
And fun fact, they didn't know.
Which is

SPEAKER_03 (26:51):
not okay.

SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
They didn't know that they're getting their head
shaved.
They got all lined up and theyknew already that Ramis and
Murray weren't because they'rethe stars.
They were just going to get atrim.
But that's why Candy waslegitimately sad.

SPEAKER_03 (27:05):
It's not okay to do that to somebody.
I hate when I hear thosestories.
You do it for the authenticity.

SPEAKER_00 (27:12):
They got it.
They got the authentic sadness.

SPEAKER_03 (27:15):
Maybe let them be actors and just act anyway.
Okay, so...
All the Ghostbusters films forthe most, yeah, actually all of
them.
Because even in Ghostbusters2016, he has a cameo as a
different character.
But he's been in all of them.
So that whole franchise, LittleShop of Horrors, which we've
covered.
So check that one out.

SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
That's right, yeah.
Scrooged,

SPEAKER_03 (27:37):
which we have covered.

SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
He is possibly more manic in Scrooged than in
like...
So over the top.
Yeah, it's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (27:46):
It's a lot.
Uh, what about Bob?
So now we're getting into thenineties.

SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
Okay.
Well maybe that's more, maybewhat about Bob is actually, you

SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
know, I've never seen that whole film.

SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
I can't, it's difficult to watch.
It's one of those movies wherelike there are some comedies
where like the whole joke isjust how uncomfortable can we
make you for two hours?
Yeah.
That's what about Bob?

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
So I've heard that he butted heads a little bit
with Richard Donner on Scrooge.

SPEAKER_00 (28:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
And then, um, Richard Dreyfuss.
On What About Bob, right?
Because that's the otherco-star.

SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:20):
And then, of course, like I alluded, well, mentioned
earlier, the falling out he hadwith Ramis over the course of
filming Groundhog Day.

SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Well, in this movie, we haven't gotten to all the
cast yet, but Sean Young.

SPEAKER_03 (28:31):
Oh, yeah.
I can read that too.
Yeah.
But he got on swimmingly,apparently with Warren Oates.

SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (28:39):
So I've also heard Sean Young...
is a lot was a lot i don't knowbut i won't anyway i shouldn't
even brought it up but okay sohe also ed wood kingpin he has a
very interesting role in wildthings he might be my favorite
character in that whole filmbecause they're all awful people

(29:01):
i

SPEAKER_00 (29:02):
didn't i've never seen that movie i didn't know he
was in it

SPEAKER_03 (29:05):
oh you've never seen wild things

SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
no

SPEAKER_03 (29:07):
we own it

SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
oh

SPEAKER_03 (29:10):
I think we are going to have to watch it because I
would love to know what youwould think about it.
It is a fever dream of a film.
Okay.
In a way.
In a way.
Okay.
It's kind of insane that it evengot made, but everybody's
horrible in it.
Lots of twists and turns.
Okay.

(29:30):
And he actually is really goodin it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:33):
I had no idea that he was in it, but...
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:35):
Okay.
So here we go.
This film kicks off his longstanding relationship and number
of collaborations.
Rushmore with Wes Anderson.

SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
Yeah.
Now you get your understatedBill Murray.

SPEAKER_03 (29:52):
Love him in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 (29:53):
Yeah.
All of Wes Anderson's movies aremore of an understated version
for the most part.

SPEAKER_03 (29:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would agree with

SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
that.
That's like his thing.

SPEAKER_03 (30:03):
That's his thing.
And so in between a coupleAnderson films, he does
Charlie's Angels, another storythere about him and Lucy Liu.
Oh, really?
Yeah, so he's got a couplestories out there.
He is a smaller role, but he'sin the Royal Tenenbaums.
And then he works with another,at the time, up-and-coming

(30:27):
director, Sofia Coppola.
For Lost in Translation.
And this is where I think hereally cements, if you're going
to say like a status where hecan do straight drama.

SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
They had all these like behind the scenes photos
from that when I worked closerto where the Focus Features
building was because that's aFocus Features film.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (30:49):
sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
So they had a lot of stuff up on the walls for that.

SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Okay.
Another Wes Anderson film, TheLife Aquatic with Steve Zissou.
I think he is the main characterin that.
Broken Flowers, The Lost City,The Darjeeling Limited.
He does Zombieland, comes back.

SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
That was a huge, huge thing when he was in
Zombieland.
Like that was like this weirdEaster egg that when you first
see it, you're like, what the...

SPEAKER_03 (31:17):
I mean, I don't know how he comes back.
He must be a zombie inZombieland Double Tap because
doesn't he die in the firstfilm?

SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
I'm pretty sure he does.

SPEAKER_03 (31:23):
Yeah.
Does voice work for WesAnderson's Fantastic Mr.
Fox?

SPEAKER_00 (31:29):
My favorite Wes Anderson movie possibly.
Okay.
It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 (31:34):
You do really like that movie.
It's so good.
Moonrise Kingdom, Hyde Park onHudson, Grand Budapest Hotel,
St.
Vincent, Isle of Dogs.
I mean, he's in all the WesAnderson films.
A film that I really wanted tolike, but could not.
The Dead Don't Die.
It was so bad.
Jim Jarmusch.

SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_03 (31:53):
Didn't do it for me.
No.
And The French Dispatch.
So still very much irking.
So Harold Ramis.
We're coming back to him becausehe is an actor in this film.
And as far as his acting creditsgo, of course, he was in front
of the camera for SCTV.
Of course, he was in front ofthe camera for Ghostbusters and

(32:15):
Ghostbusters 2.
Then from there on out, hereally, because he was focused
more so on directing, he reallytakes a step back from his
acting.
But he has a couple fun littlecameos and things.
I mean, it's like a...
Substantial Role in Baby Boom,in like the first part of it.
He has a very small role, butit's nice.

(32:36):
I like who he plays in as goodas it gets.
He's the doctor that helps...
Yeah, yeah.
What's her name's kid?

SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
With the asthma or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:44):
He plays...
What's it?
Hank's...
Colin Hank's dad, I think, inOrange County.

SPEAKER_00 (32:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
And I think he plays...
What's his name's dad in KnockedUp?
He plays dads.

SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
Yeah, he does.
He's Seth

SPEAKER_03 (32:58):
Rogen's dad.

SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
He's either a doctor or someone's dad.
Maybe both.

SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
Maybe both.
Okay, moving on to Warren Oates.
We briefly brought him up.
He is Sergeant Holka.
This is a real bummer.
He passed very shortly afterthis film came out.

SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
Like within a year of the premiere.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_03 (33:18):
he had a heart attack, passed away.
But great character.
In this film, I mean, his wholedynamic with Bill Murray is
interesting.
You know, they play himinitially for like kind of a
caricature of what you wouldexpect a sergeant to be

SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
in

SPEAKER_03 (33:37):
the army.
There is friction between himand John.
Yeah.
I know that there was like backand forth about whether or not
to include that scene in thebathroom where they have their
confrontation.

SPEAKER_00 (33:51):
Yeah, there was.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (33:52):
I don't know if I needed it, but that's fine if
they feel like they needed tohave that to really have stakes
between him and Winger.
Yeah.
But I'm

SPEAKER_00 (34:02):
fine with it because they wanted to show that Holka
was like, I don't know if Ineeded anything else to show me
that he was the real deal orthat he had this like, that's
how I feel.
Yeah, because I fully expectedhe was going to get his ass
kicked.
Yeah.
When he, you know, when he didthat, it was so I was fine with
it.
I mean, of all the things thathappened in the movie, that's

(34:24):
the one where I'm like, yeah,that was fine.
Let's talk about some of thisother stuff.
Like stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (34:28):
Yeah, well, I have a couple more people to get
through, but we can kind ofobviously do a deep dive on some
of the storylines.
So as far as his credits go,over the course of his career, a
lot of TV work.
I mean, for a lot of these otherpeople, especially the couple
last people I'm going tomention, a lot of like one-offs

(34:48):
and two-offs on different TVshows.
So...
More extensive work on the TVseries Stoney Burke, as well as
Gunsmoke.

SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (35:00):
And then some films for him.
He was in Return of the Seven,like of the Magnificent Seven
films.
He was in the film In the Heatof the Night.
He was in The Wild Bunch,Badlands, and the film Tough
Enough.

SPEAKER_00 (35:15):
Tough Enough?
What is that?
I

SPEAKER_03 (35:18):
don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
Um, he's also in 1983's Blue Thunder.

SPEAKER_03 (35:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
With, uh, what's his name from Jaws?
Roy Scheider.

SPEAKER_03 (35:27):
Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:29):
I could see them working together really well.

SPEAKER_00 (35:31):
Yeah.
So maybe we'll, maybe, possibly.

SPEAKER_03 (35:33):
Okay.
So now we're getting to the loveinterests for John and Russell,
respectively.
Okay.
So first we're going to talkabout PJ Souls.
So she plays Stella.

SPEAKER_00 (35:47):
We have talked about her before, haven't we?

SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Well.

SPEAKER_03 (35:53):
But I could see why you would think that.

SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
We have talked about a franchise.
Yes.
Yes, we have.
Yes, we have.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (36:01):
And no, she's really fun because she's one of my
girls.
Like she's a horror chick.
And

SPEAKER_00 (36:10):
that would be the franchise.

SPEAKER_03 (36:11):
Yeah.
She is in the original Carrie.
So that even precedes Halloween.
But yes.
Yes.
I think a lot of people know herfrom Halloween.
I haven't seen all of her work.
But I'm curious to see maybesome of her other roles because

(36:33):
she– there's like a through linebetween who she plays in
Halloween and the same kind ofcharacter she plays in this film
being like kind of bubbly.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I'd be curious to see some ofher other work.
She also was in the filmBreaking Away, very much not a
whore.

SPEAKER_00 (36:52):
No.
You know what?
They changed the– IMDb changedthe year for Breaking Away
because now it's being listed as1979.

SPEAKER_03 (37:00):
interesting it

SPEAKER_00 (37:02):
it had been listed as an 80s yeah yeah

SPEAKER_03 (37:06):
because i not really like where i was gonna throw it
on the calendar anytime soon buti was like oh we could do that
film but it's actually funnybecause as far as um this film
goes she's in another militaryfilm private benjamin another
comedy as well and then she ilove i love the name of this
film she's an alienator

SPEAKER_02 (37:24):
So

SPEAKER_03 (37:25):
she's in that.
She's in Jawbreaker.
Oh man, I remember seeing thatfilm.
It was a really uncomfortablescene with like...
The death of a character andwhat you see visually.

SPEAKER_02 (37:37):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (37:37):
Yeah.
Ugh.
I don't like it.
She comes back to horror.
So she's in The Devil's Rejects.
She's in a film calledGrindsploitation.

SPEAKER_00 (37:47):
Grindsploitation.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (37:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:49):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
She does make a cameo in the 2018 re- reboot but
like continuation I hate whenthey fucking do this I've talked
about it before where they don'tgive it an original name so it
is also just called

SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
Halloween yeah 2018 Halloween

SPEAKER_03 (38:06):
yeah 2018 Halloween she plays a teacher I don't
remember her um that much Idon't know how much of a role
she had in that and then she'salso in a film called Killer
Therapy okay So, fun.
Okay, you mentioned her earlier,Sean Young.
She plays Louise.
So, she is Russell's loveinterest.

(38:27):
And she still is very muchworking.
Almost exclusively films forher.
And this isn't even the firsttime we've brought her up,
actually.
So, there are a couple other 80sfilms that we could
potentially...
you know, talk about her for.
So we have talked about her fortwo films.

(38:47):
We've talked about her for BladeRunner.
And we've talked about her forBaby, two very different films.
Baby colon Secret of the LostLegend.

SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
They are very different.

SPEAKER_03 (38:58):
Very different movies.
But check both those out.
She also, other 80s films, YoungDoctors in Love, the original
Dune.

SPEAKER_00 (39:08):
We should cover that.
Sure.
Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 (39:10):
I don't have any stake in the Dune movies.
I don't either.
I would cover that one.
She's in No Way Out.
I think that's with KevinCostner.
And she's also in Wall Street.
We could do that.
I've actually never seen theentire movie.
Neither have I.
She is in Hold Me, Thrill Me,Kiss Me.
That's a lot.

(39:30):
Even Cowgirls Get the Blues.

SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
Is that a movie or is that just a western song
title?

SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
I feel like it might, is it like a spin from a
song?
That does sound like a song.

SPEAKER_00 (39:43):
Feels like it,

SPEAKER_03 (39:44):
doesn't it?
So she's not in Fatal Attractionand she's not in Basic Instinct,
but she is in Fatal Instinct.

SPEAKER_00 (39:51):
God damn it.
That is confusing as hell.
So

SPEAKER_03 (39:53):
she's in that.
Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.

SPEAKER_00 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:58):
I love the title of this because I think it is a
very interesting thing toponder.
Ghosts Never Sleep.

SPEAKER_00 (40:06):
Yeah, I've wondered about that.
Do go sleep.
I don't know.
I

SPEAKER_03 (40:11):
don't know.
I don't know.
She did have a stint on the soapopera The Young and the
Restless.
So I don't know if you wouldknow her from this, but she is
in Bone Tomahawk.

SPEAKER_00 (40:23):
Oh, my God.
I've really tried to not thinkabout that.
So I'd have to.
I'd have to.
You've

SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
seen it.
I have not.

SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
I'm not watching it again to find out where she is.
I can tell you that much.

SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
Sure.
I understand.
And she's also in Planet Dune.
What's that?
A movie.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:43):
Is it really?
Yeah.
Planet Dune.
Okay.

UNKNOWN (40:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
Okay.
So we have four more people, butwe're going to get through them
pretty quickly.
They have much smaller roles.
However, small role, giantfigure, John Candy.
And I mean that like not in theliteral sense.
Presence.
Yeah.
Presence of the movie.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So he plays Ox.
He is also a recruit.

(41:08):
He...
You know, we all miss him.
He passed too early.
He passed in 1994.
So we did talk about him fairlyrecently.
At least Thanksgiving doesn'tseem that long ago.
It doesn't, no.
I guess

SPEAKER_02 (41:24):
it kind of is.
It

SPEAKER_03 (41:25):
is.
So I will kind of go throughsome of his credits pretty
quickly.
I mean, really similar in natureto having started out on TV
because he was on SCTV.
And then he pivots out and hebecomes a huge movie star.
So almost entirely, I would say,straight comedy.
Yeah.

(41:46):
I don't know.
A little bit of asterisk there.
He is in 1941.
He is in The Blues Brothers.
We've covered that.
Go check it out.
He's in National Lampoon'sVacation.
He has a small role, butactually I think he's pretty
funny in it.
I've said it before.
Probably my favorite role of hisof all time is the brother in

(42:06):
Splash.

SPEAKER_00 (42:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was really good in that.
I love

SPEAKER_03 (42:09):
that character.
He is fantastic in that.
We did it.
With Kelsey, go check that oneout.
Brewster's Millions.
Summer Rental.
I mean, a lot of these films weare definitely going to cover at
some point.
Volunteers.
We did do Little Shop ofHorrors.
Go check that out.
He is in Spaceballs.
We will have to do that film atsome point.

(42:31):
I know it's not really a

SPEAKER_00 (42:33):
favorite.
It's not.
I mean, I feel like it's awfulto say that, but it's not for
me.

SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
It's not for me either, but...
So the film most recently thatwe covered with him was Planes,
Trains, and Automobiles, where,yes, it is very much a comedy,
but there is a lot ofbittersweet, dramatic.

SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Very much so.

SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
Yeah.
So he's great in that.
He's in The Great Outdoors,Uncle Buck.
He has a very fun.
So now we're in the 90s, but hehas a really fun cameo in Home
Alone.
He's great in that.

SPEAKER_00 (43:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The polka, polka, polka.

SPEAKER_03 (43:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
Cool Runnings and Canadian Bacon.
And like.

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
Cool Runnings is one of my favorites of his.

SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
yeah yeah you do really like that movie um there
were a couple other films ididn't put in but like he did
kind of fair like i don't knowhow big the roles were i never
saw all of jfk but i'm prettysure he's in jfk he's in a film
called only the lonely like sohe he did a little bit step out
of straight comedy but justgreat actor

SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
what if i told you that he was in one segment of a
film called heavy metal Oh,geez.

SPEAKER_03 (43:45):
Okay.
All right.
Moving on.
John Larroquette.
So he's Captain Stillman.
He's a dick in this film.
And he's gross.
He's all those things.
But I do really like him.
Not necessarily in this film,but I really like him.

(44:06):
Yeah.
I think he's a great actor.
And, you know, he's still goingstrong for sure.
I

SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
don't know if the Night Court reboot is still
going.
I don't know if

SPEAKER_03 (44:17):
it is either.
But that's like literally thelast credit I have for him.
But yeah, that's most recentlywhat we've seen him in.
He has a really fun careerbecause he has like this
connection to a horror franchisethat's very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (44:29):
Really?
He

SPEAKER_03 (44:30):
is the narrator for the original The Texas Chainsaw
Massacre.

SPEAKER_00 (44:34):
What the?
That's crazy.
He is that person.
That is wild.

SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
I think it's just at the beginning of the film.
I don't remember if there'snarration at the end, but he's
the dude.
He has a very distinctive voice.
He does.
You can clock it right away.
Yeah.
He and then I'll just kind offinish that off because then he
also I think this is so fun thathe comes back to it.
He is also the narrator in the2003 The Texas Chainsaw

(45:00):
Massacre.

SPEAKER_00 (45:01):
That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 (45:02):
As well as the narrator in the 2006 The Texas
Chainsaw Massacre colon thebeginning.

SPEAKER_00 (45:07):
There are so many massacres.

SPEAKER_03 (45:09):
As well as the narrator in the 2022 Texas
Chainsaw.
It's really fun that he doesthat for

SPEAKER_00 (45:15):
all of us.
That's really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (45:17):
So there you go.
Okay, so he has done, he'sdefinitely obviously done films.
I think maybe people know him.
You already mentioned it,Nightcore.

SPEAKER_00 (45:27):
Dan Fielding.

SPEAKER_03 (45:29):
He has like a nice little back and forth between
film and television.
So earlier in his career, he wason a TV series called Black
Sheep

SPEAKER_00 (45:36):
Squadron.
Oh yeah, I remember that show.

SPEAKER_03 (45:38):
You do?

SPEAKER_00 (45:39):
Yes, I love that show.

SPEAKER_03 (45:40):
Okay.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (45:41):
it was a fun show.

SPEAKER_03 (45:43):
So now I have a slew of films for him.
He is in Altered States, CatPeople.

SPEAKER_00 (45:48):
I

SPEAKER_03 (45:49):
don't think we brought him up, but he is in
Twilight Zone, the movie.
I

SPEAKER_00 (45:53):
don't think we did.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
So he's in that.
He also is in Star Trek 3, TheSearch for Spock.

SPEAKER_00 (46:00):
We'll get to that one eventually.

SPEAKER_03 (46:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:04):
He is also in Meatballs Part 2, Summer Rental.
So he

SPEAKER_00 (46:11):
kind of reteams with John Candy.
I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
But yes, Night Court.
Night Court is, I think, thething that most people know him
from.
However, he also had his ownshow, The John Larroquette Show.
So did that for a while.
And then the rest of what I havefor him, more TV work.
So he was on Boston Legal for awhile.
librarians and then youmentioned it there has been this
reboot of night court yep idon't know if it's continuing

(46:37):
but he came back he originallyhe originated the role of dan
fielding he comes back in thatrole i think he's the only
original cast member i think whocame back

SPEAKER_00 (46:47):
um i think that's probably right yeah so

SPEAKER_03 (46:51):
okay moving on to the last two people like look
it's an ensemble cast but Theother recruits we might see
FaceTime with a lot of them, butI just brought up two.
So the first is Cruiser, playedby John Deal.
Cruiser is the, to put itnicely, dim-witted recruit.

SPEAKER_00 (47:11):
So he stayed in that.
In that frame of mind orwhatever you would call it for
the entire movie.
And at the end, he apologized toReitman for just acting so
stupid all the time.
I

SPEAKER_03 (47:25):
don't think you had a good method for that role, but
okay.

SPEAKER_00 (47:28):
I don't think you had to for Stripe, no.

SPEAKER_03 (47:30):
Yeah, so okay.
That's fine.
But he's been very busy.
I mean, he's working up to thisday.
Yeah.
Mostly films that I have forhim, although perhaps not
leading roles, but nonetheless.
He actually was in Escape fromNew York.
Really?
I guarantee you we didn't bringhim up.

(47:52):
He's just listed as punk, but hewas in it.
He also has a role in NationalLampoon's Vacation.
I think if we're going to saybreakout, maybe.
He, for a while, was on the TVseries Miami Vice.

SPEAKER_00 (48:09):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (48:09):
So he did that.
I didn't really want to put thisin, but good lord, he's just in
a movie called Horror.

SPEAKER_00 (48:16):
Oh, wait.
Not horror, but just...

SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
No.
W-H-O-R-E.
Wow.
He's like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (48:23):
That's an aggressive title.

SPEAKER_03 (48:24):
That is an aggressive title.

SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
He's in Mo Money?
Gettysburg?
The Client?
Now that I'm thinking about it,I do recognize him from
Stargate.

SPEAKER_00 (48:34):
You know what I recognize him from?
I recognize him from FallingDown.
Oh, I didn't even list that one.
There's the moment when whateverhis name is, the character's
name.
Michael Douglas.
Michael Douglas.
Yeah, I can't remember hischaracter.
But so he's like running throughlike a wealthy neighborhood and
he's in the backyard.
And there are these people whowork at the house who are just

(48:57):
kind of like using the backyardto have like a barbecue.
But they just work there becausethe family's like on a trip or
something.
Okay.
And he's just like, Please,please don't tell anyone.
He's just very embarrassed thathe got caught because he thinks
Michael Douglas is part ofsecurity because he shows up
with a shotgun.

SPEAKER_03 (49:18):
Gotcha.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (49:20):
That's what I recognize him from.

SPEAKER_03 (49:21):
He is in the film Nixon, A Time to Kill.
This is, I think, so fun.
He had a brief stint on the JohnLarroquette show.

SPEAKER_00 (49:31):
That is fun.
So I

SPEAKER_03 (49:31):
like that.
More film work anywhere buthere.
Jurassic Park 3.

SPEAKER_00 (49:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (49:41):
And then more recently, that show Dark Winds.
And just a ton of one-offs andtwo-offs in different shows.
So finally, because it'sprobably maybe the most famous
line from the film, lighten up,Francis.

SPEAKER_00 (49:56):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
Conrad Dunn.
So real name Francis in the showor in the movie.
Nickname Psycho.
Okay.
AKA taxi driver, essentially.

SPEAKER_00 (50:08):
Yeah.
That's basically what hischaracter was going for.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:11):
I feel pretty confident that.
This was his first role.
All right.
It's very new, but still verymuch working still.
Alien Nation.
It was a film he was in.
It had a very long stint, whichis funny to me because of the
role he plays in this film.
He was on Days of Our Lives.
What the fuck?
Really?
For like hundreds of episodes.

(50:33):
Wow.
For like 10 years, I think hewas on that show.
So he did that.
Another show, I don't know it,but it's called A Nero Wolf
Mystery.

SPEAKER_00 (50:41):
Never heard of it.

SPEAKER_03 (50:42):
He had a small role in the film Chicago.
And then Samesy's just a lot ofone-offs and two-offs on
different TV shows.
Okay.
All right.
Film synopsis.

SPEAKER_00 (50:54):
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know how important thesynopsis is.
Let's see.
What do we got?

SPEAKER_03 (51:01):
Two friends who are dissatisfied with their jobs
decide to join the army for abit of fun.

SPEAKER_00 (51:07):
That works for me.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:10):
I mean, yes.
I...
It's clear that they don'treally take it seriously, but
they're also just escaping, notto get too whatever about this,
but they're escaping theirlives.
Their lives suck.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:25):
They're unhappy.
I mean, they really double downon John's story.
He flat out says it to Russellin the space of two hours.
I lost my job, although he quit,to be fair.
He didn't lose his job.

SPEAKER_00 (51:37):
It's true.

SPEAKER_03 (51:38):
But he loses his job, loses his girlfriend.
Yeah.
loses his car he says loses hisapartment so i'm curious

SPEAKER_00 (51:47):
yeah that was new i never saw any

SPEAKER_03 (51:49):
yeah i it didn't seem like it was her place it
seemed like it was his place soi'm not quite sure what that's
about but the other thing toothough is like i don't I don't
know if there's really strongarcs for either one of them in

(52:09):
terms of like, look, it's I'mnot judging them from being kind
of like aimless in their lives.
As far as like what the armydoes for them.
I don't know.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (52:22):
he gets better at pushups.

SPEAKER_03 (52:24):
Yes, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 (52:25):
It's really just like an over overextended
because I think the movie is alittle longer than it is.
than it needs to be.
It's more of just like a comedybit with these guys in the army.
There's no long end goal forthese characters.
No,

SPEAKER_03 (52:43):
there's no real character

SPEAKER_00 (52:45):
growth.
There's not.

SPEAKER_03 (52:46):
But the thing is, the original script was meant
for Cheech and Chong.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (52:52):
So that gives you some indication as to what the
film was going to be about.
They dropped out, I think.
And then Murray signs on and hejust...
he and Remus were really goodfriends.
He just really wanted Remusbecause they're friends and, you
know, wanted to do a movie withhim.
And so they did.
And I know I shouldn't put anyundue pressure on this because

(53:16):
it's just a stupid comedy, butthey're interesting characters.
I don't know if I like, likethem, don't like them.
And the whole thing withCzechoslovakia, like they did
that to themselves.
Like they come out these heroessupposedly, but it's like,
Everything that happened wasbecause of their own actions.

SPEAKER_00 (53:34):
Yeah, I guess Reitman didn't love that part of
it.

SPEAKER_03 (53:39):
Otherwise, the movie would have been like 50 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (53:42):
Yeah, they needed...
I mean, between that and the LSDColombian revolutionaries thing,
I think I would have...
I think it would have been okaywith the Columbia thing.
I

SPEAKER_03 (53:54):
think it actually would have maybe balanced out
the film a little bit becausethen it's like, oh, okay, it's
just these series of weirdsequences.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (54:02):
just like the graduation, which that clip to
start off the episode was from,that could almost be the end of
the movie.

SPEAKER_03 (54:12):
Yes, yes.
That very much feels like theend of the movie, but then it
would have been too short of afilm.

SPEAKER_00 (54:16):
So maybe give us more basic training.
You could have made a wholemovie about them in basic
training.

SPEAKER_03 (54:22):
And that's what's really interesting about the
film is because, yeah, I feellike there was more to mine
there, but they just didn't.
And then they're like, okay,well, what else can we do?
And so they come up with thisidea of...
sending them overseas.

SPEAKER_00 (54:38):
So it could have been put in more for the basic
training, and then at the end ofthe graduation ceremony, you
find out that they've passed,and then maybe the very last
thing is how there's this otherthing that they might...

SPEAKER_03 (54:50):
Yeah.
That's

SPEAKER_00 (54:52):
how they would do it now, because they'd want to set
it up for a sequel.
100%.

SPEAKER_03 (54:55):
Yeah.
So I'm really not hating on thefilm.
It just is a little unbalanced,it

SPEAKER_00 (55:03):
feels.
I've seen it so many times, andthis is always...
Like why in some ways it's easyto watch if it's just on TV
because you like have it on andthen the ceremony happens and
you're like, all right, I'mgoing to see what else is

SPEAKER_03 (55:14):
on.
And I mean, the other thing tooabout it, which is funny because
like Meatballs does not havenudity, but...
It

SPEAKER_00 (55:24):
doesn't?

SPEAKER_03 (55:25):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (55:26):
Okay.
I'm surprised.

SPEAKER_03 (55:28):
Or does Spaz and what's his name?
I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
I don't think there actually is.
I

SPEAKER_03 (55:33):
don't think there actually is.
It's like a cleaned up versionof the same scene in Animal
House where John Belushi goes,sneaks in, looks through the
windows.
There's always a fucking lookingthrough windows scene, isn't
there?

SPEAKER_00 (55:46):
Well, the thing with Laraket where he's like.

SPEAKER_03 (55:48):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (55:49):
Watching the women in the shower.
And I guess he like improv'd.
Those lines, but they need toexplain to Reitman what a loofah
was.

SPEAKER_03 (55:57):
Yeah, it just...
You did your homework on the funfacts.
It is what it is.
We've said it before.
Except it feels a littledifferent from Slumber Party
Massacre because it's like IvanReitman.
It's a male-directed film.
So it feels very much so...

(56:18):
You know, it's all for the malegaze.
It's early night.
It just feels almost a littlebit beneath.

SPEAKER_00 (56:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:25):
The people involved in the film.

SPEAKER_00 (56:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:27):
Like I would expect it more from just like a real
cheap, you know, let's get itout there.
Schlocky teen flick.

SPEAKER_00 (56:35):
There was definitely just like in order.
Like if you want to get peoplein the seats to see these
movies.
boobs you got to do it

SPEAKER_03 (56:44):
yeah and and i think i hadn't remembered how many
times there is nudity i meaneven just like john coming home
and his fucking girlfriends justlike has her shirt open i'm like
okay um so that happens and youknow i could

SPEAKER_00 (57:00):
the whole mud wrestling scene was was wild
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (57:03):
i was gonna say as far as like the lara katt
character

SPEAKER_00 (57:06):
oh

SPEAKER_03 (57:07):
okay maybe that further justifies what a like
gross person he is like you'rejust kind of building on the
fact that like he's not thebaddie but like he's the guy
that everybody hates in thismovie

SPEAKER_00 (57:18):
but you could definitely do that without

SPEAKER_03 (57:19):
yes you can yeah I'm just grabbing at straws to
justify the nudity but yeah thewhole thing with the mud
wrestling is like oh my god likethere's just

SPEAKER_00 (57:31):
John Candy was not comfortable with that

SPEAKER_03 (57:33):
and that's the other thing that kind of bugs me is
that it's like

SPEAKER_00 (57:36):
I don't think anyone was comfortable with that.
I

SPEAKER_03 (57:41):
don't know what the directive was to Reitman.
I don't know if at that point inhis career he's being told, got
to have the boobs.
I don't know.
But it's like I don't like thefact that you're pushing an
actor to do something that theyinherently didn't really want to
do.

SPEAKER_00 (57:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:58):
It does bother me when I read that.

SPEAKER_00 (58:01):
Well, he already had his haircut, so at that point...

SPEAKER_03 (58:04):
Yeah, he really went through it for this stupid film.
So, in any case, it's...
And then it was weird to me,too, that, like, with PJ Soul's
character, you know, they do...
It was very much like an AnimalHouse ending where they're
giving little...
epilogues to a lot of thecharacters

SPEAKER_00 (58:23):
yeah and she's on like a penthouse cover yeah

SPEAKER_03 (58:25):
I'm like why why does she have to be doing pent
okay that was

SPEAKER_00 (58:30):
that was the first what I think I didn't get

SPEAKER_03 (58:32):
any indication from that character that like that
was part of her story but okayyeah you know as far as like
like I actually if I'm beingreally honest I enjoy Harold
Ramis's performance more thanBill Murray's in the film Yeah.
I think he's a funniercharacter.

SPEAKER_00 (58:50):
Well, he's...
Like, the John Winger characteris just so cocky and arrogant
that after a while, it kind of,like, wears thin, where Ramis's
character is still funny, but hefeels a little bit more like a
real person.

SPEAKER_03 (59:08):
Yeah, and he does often play the straight man to
Bill Murray.
Yeah.
And not even just in this film,but...

SPEAKER_00 (59:17):
Because if like Winger versus Venkman, Venkman
is even a little bit moregrounded.
Yes.
Than Winger.
And I love

SPEAKER_03 (59:24):
Venkman in Ghostbusters.
But I just I maybe it's becauseI've just seen so much of Murray
and doing that kind ofcharacter.
And Ramis is.
I was paying more attention tohis character, I think, with
this screening and just littlethings like facial expressions.
When

SPEAKER_00 (59:42):
he's talking to Reinhold at the beginning in the
bus station or airport orwhatever, and Reinhold's asking
him about...
It seems like he's got weed onhim or something.
Right.
And Remus's reaction was just...
It was just gold.
Yeah.
Yes.
It was like...
He was making fun of likeReinhold's character and like he

(01:00:04):
was just so goofy in thatmoment.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:06):
No, he's he was a really funny actor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:10):
So so I yeah, I got a lot more out of his
performance.
And I mean, the movie as awhole.
I don't mind it at all.
There's a certain kind ofcomfort and nostalgia in it
again because I saw it.
Way too young.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I like it because I like Bill Murray and I
like Harold Ramis and I've justseen it so many times.
Right.
But it almost reminded me alittle bit of my experience
watching Airplane from start tofinish.
I've gotten more used to justexperiencing some of these
movies at this point in likesmaller bites and watching the
whole thing.
I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:49):
Yeah, exactly.
No, I think that's a great wayto put it.
So that is Stripes.
I mean, what was your call toaction earlier?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:59):
Which is the worst sequel, Meatballs 2 or
Caddyshack 2?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:03):
I'm honestly in some ways surprised they did not do a
sequel to this film.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:08):
Because they could have.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:10):
I already know where they'd go and what they'd be
doing.
It's Columbia and LSD.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:15):
So, I mean, well, I think we've already kind of
answered our own questionabout...
watching the film again I thinkit is a great film to just have
on the background yeah whenyou're doing whatever instead of
like actually sitting down andpaying close attention to every
single minute of it

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:30):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:30):
but in terms of that I mean I guess I'm curious other
people's feelings about the filmin terms of like like everybody
knows stripes we just mentionedit to somebody earlier today
that we were going to berecording stripes they
immediately know the filmeverybody knows this movie shout
out to Trader Joe's I'm verycurious how people feel about,

(01:01:54):
like, as far as comedies of the80s where this one ranks for
them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:59):
I think, like, people's memory of this movie
probably is going to rank ithigher.
And then you watch it and you'relike, you know what?
There are some other 80s moviesthat I think are at, like, when
you watch them again, you'relike, that still holds up really
good.
And this one, it's not that itdoesn't, but...
It's very much a product of itstime.
Very much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:19):
And so, yeah, I'm really curious how people feel
about it in terms of likebeloved comedies and also kind
of as an offshoot, like a part Bto a call to action.
Because now I've talked about ita couple of times just in terms
of like Bill Murrayperformances, him being
understated versus like reallykind of over the top, even in
the clip that you pulled withthe way that he's talking to the

(01:02:42):
general, you know, just whenhe's kind of goofier like that.
I mean, another really greatexample, which we haven't even
covered this film yet, is likehis character in Caddyshack and
just being completely silly andkind of like all over the place.
So I'm just...
Very curious what people enjoyas far as his types of
performances.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:01):
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Yes.

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SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:16):
Sneak peek.

UNKNOWN (01:03:17):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:19):
You

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:20):
maybe should know this.
We were just talking about itthis morning.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:24):
do, I think, but I will accept a clue.
Oh,

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:28):
you will accept a clue.
Okay.
Gosh, you know, I don't knowthis movie that well.
So as far as pulling clues.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:38):
You know, sometimes when we talk about these movies
and they're from, you know,decades ago, it makes me feel
really old.
And I just wish sometimes that Iwould feel a little young.
That's my clue to you.
You're

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:54):
a clue to me.
Okay.
Well, then I'm going to say themovie is Cocoon.
That's it.
That's the movie.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:01):
I don't know what just happened.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:03):
And I mean, look, this is a film that definitely
we've talked about.
And I feel like I've said even acouple of times, oh, we should
totally do that one.
Well, now we are in part becausewe were requested to.
And so I'm really excited to getto do this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:17):
We take requests.
All you have to do is look atevery single episode that we've
ever published and let us knowif there's something we missed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:24):
we're getting there

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:25):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:26):
uh i think this one we're just coming under i think
140 episodes

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:29):
yeah

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:30):
so not too shabby but yeah i'm really excited to
cover this one it's it's a filmthat i don't know particularly
well but i've always been likecurious about sitting down and
watching the whole thing and ithink it'll be an interesting
conversation in terms of i ipersonally always really love
when there are films that reallyfeature prominently older actors
it's been a while since I feelwe've had a film like that.

(01:04:53):
The last film I can remember,and this has been several
seasons at this point, I thoughtthat they did a great job on
Moonstruck.
There are several older actorswho just fucking knock it out of
the park, and I'm excited towatch a film where I feel like
that might be similar.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:07):
think in Moonstruck, the difference is that they were
just older people who were justliving their lives in a cocoon.
It's going to be like,

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:14):
I'm

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:15):
so desperate to not be old aliens.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:18):
Aliens,

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:19):
please help me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:20):
I'm really, really interested in watching the
movie.
So on that note, thank you toeverybody for listening.
We really appreciate that withthe very limited time everybody
has nowadays that you arechoosing to hang out with us for
a bit.
And we will talk to you again intwo weeks' time.