Teen Wolf

In this episode, Anna and Derek chat about unnecessarily awful nicknames, bully boyfriends who show up everywhere, and much more during their discussion of the Michael J. Fox starrer Teen Wolf (1985). 

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Give me ID, Sonny.
You little bastards just won'tgive up, will you?
Listen, no ID, no goddamn beer.
Can't you get that through yourthick skull?

SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
Give me a keg of beer.

SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

SPEAKER_04 (00:35):
And this is Anna.

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
And that was Harvey Vernon as the old man clerk and
Michael J.
Fox as Scott Howard soundingmore sinister than Tim Curry as
the devil in, of course, 1985'sTeen Wolf.

SPEAKER_04 (00:50):
Way to, like, bring in legend as well, right?
Yeah, why not?
Yeah.
Yeah, Teen Wolf.
What was it?
Old Man Store Clerk?

SPEAKER_02 (00:57):
Old Man Clerk.

SPEAKER_04 (00:58):
Old Man Clerk.

UNKNOWN (01:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
I am so excited to finally cover this movie.
I can't believe we haven't yetbecause we see this movie.
It's on a lot.
It's

SPEAKER_04 (01:10):
on a

SPEAKER_02 (01:10):
lot.
We've seen it a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11):
Yeah.
Although I was saying lastnight, it's so funny because
once you finally sit down withintention to watch a movie that
you think you've seen, which Ishouldn't say I think.
I've seen this movie a milliontimes.
But especially the first 15-ishminutes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
Yeah, there's a lot of world building.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29):
There's a lot of world building that I just had
kind of forgotten about.
I think

SPEAKER_02 (01:37):
they have edited out some of the like one of the
things that happens at thekegger at the party, I don't
have any memory of the two- Thelike whipped

SPEAKER_04 (01:47):
cream.

SPEAKER_02 (01:48):
The whipped cream people who are trying to escape
the entirety of that party.
They never make it out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53):
No, that's a good point because I think it's on TV
so much that usually we're justlike, yeah, we'll just keep it
on.
But this was the first time thatwe just played the DVD.

SPEAKER_02 (02:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
So

SPEAKER_02 (02:04):
DVD.
It was like a party from oldschool or something.
Yes.
Like, yeah, I'm like, whoa.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
Apparently, was it the director who- did go to
Nebraska and like talk to kidsand he said that like the
answers that they gave him forhow they party did inspire okay
a lot of so they party hard inNebraska anyway Teen Wolf uh
super excited as I havementioned already a couple times
to cover this one 1985 yep andwell probably at some point

(02:33):
bring into it the fact that itwas supposed to be released
before Back to the Future, butthen it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
There's so many funny things that happened as a
consequence of that.
Like when it was released inBrazil, the title was Boy from
the Future.

SPEAKER_04 (02:48):
Yeah, it definitely got a boost from Back to the
Future.
So very smart marketing play.

SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:55):
But let's dive into the writers on this.
So first we have, well, now hegoes by like Jep Loeb.
I think at the time, what wasthe, like, Joseph, I think, is
actually his full name, but nowhe goes by Jeph.
Jeph.
J-E-P-H?

(03:16):
Jeff?
Jeff?

SPEAKER_02 (03:18):
If it's Jeff, that's like a tragedy kind of name, you
know?

SPEAKER_04 (03:22):
He's actually, so he does have a handful of writing
credits, but if you were to goto his IMDb, you'll see that he
is big time into producing,like, basically all the Marvel
properties.
More specifically, the ones thatare on TV.
But he's big, big, big.

SPEAKER_02 (03:41):
They get to that right now.
He did, I'm assuming, almost allof the Netflix Marvel shows when
they were still making them.
So Luke Cage, Daredevil beforethey had the Born Again season,
Cloak and Dagger, which I thinkwas one, and Jessica Jones.
So all of the Netflix ones.
But

SPEAKER_04 (04:00):
those are still a couple years removed from now.
But he's still...
right now like producing on allthose properties okay yeah yeah
so he is a big-time producer butspecifically his like writing
credits and you'll kind of seethe evolution to i think where
he went with marvel so he was awriter on commando the movie

SPEAKER_02 (04:22):
okay

SPEAKER_04 (04:25):
he because of originating the story and like
the characters he has a creditfor teen wolf 2 t o o with jason
bateman that one he i don't knowif he's really a part of it
maybe i

SPEAKER_02 (04:39):
have seen that at one point but

SPEAKER_04 (04:43):
I never really have.
I've only seen a couple sceneshere and there.
But

SPEAKER_02 (04:47):
I'm pretty sure there's like a montage where
there's like a whole dancenumber with him.
Like now that now that I can.
Do you love me song?
I feel maybe that's just likelike a dream that I had when I
had a fever or something.

SPEAKER_04 (05:01):
Oh, you're making this up.

SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
I don't know.
It was so bizarre.
I don't know if I'm making it upor if it really

SPEAKER_04 (05:07):
happened.
Well, Loeb has a character andstory credit for that.
TV series called Seven LittleMonsters.
So here we go.
He starts moving intoSmallville.
So he wrote on that TV series.
He wrote on Heroes.

SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (05:23):
That.
He also wrote on the TV series.
Well, it might have been...
You know, the TV show doesn'treally have a lot in common with
this movie.
So I'm not sure how involved,but he does have a writing
credit for the Teen Wolf TVseries that is probably at this
point already like 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 (05:39):
The only thing I know from that series is when I
was pulling clips to begin thisepisode...
And it looked like the look ofit reminded me more of Twilight
than like the Teen Wolf movie wesaw from the 80s.
It looked like they had adifferent tone.
Yeah.

(05:59):
Because there are like clipssaying like.
It's much more serious.
Yeah.
Like when Scott becomes analpha.
What?

SPEAKER_04 (06:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he has a credit for that.
And then also the TV miniseriesWolverine versus Sabretooth.
Oh.
So here we go.
And like you were saying, likeall the other shows that he's
done, but also like Agents ofS.H.I.E.L.D.
So like he's just in that world.
Agent Carter.

SPEAKER_02 (06:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:24):
So.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Good for him.
I bet that pays decent.

SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
I guess to some degree they were writing
partners because the other ohyeah he's making bank um but the
the other writer on this movieis matthew weisman and it seems
like whereas lobe

SPEAKER_02 (06:43):
he goes by mep now

SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
lobe transitioned into like more producing than
anything else i don't know ifweisman has really stayed in the
industry but For some of thecredits that I already gave for
Loeb, Weissman has the same.
So he was the co-writer onCommando.
He also has a credit for TeenWolf 2.
He also wrote on Seven LittleMonsters, and he also has a

(07:06):
credit for the TV series TeenWolf.

SPEAKER_02 (07:09):
We got to cover the second one now.
We have to?
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (07:14):
maybe more like year 20 of this podcast but okay uh
so those are the writers andmoving on to the director rod
daniel um i'm not sure if hewill come up again this was his
first feature film

SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
amazing

SPEAKER_04 (07:33):
yeah so he he has passed he passed in 2016 he does
have other film credits, but hedid, like, a ton of television.
All throughout his career, hedid a ton of television.
So he worked for a while on theTV series, and specifically,
like, directing work.
WKRP in Cincinnati.

(07:54):
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (07:54):
yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (07:56):
Okay.
I wonder if somebody who is,like, a younger generation would
even kind of understand thatthere was a show about, like, a
radio...
I never watched it because thatwas even kind of before...
it being on my radar as a kid.

SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
It was on.
I was aware of it.
Yeah, like reruns.

SPEAKER_04 (08:14):
But to have a show about a radio station?

SPEAKER_02 (08:17):
Yeah.
I mean, they'd had news radiowith Phil Hartman.
That's

SPEAKER_04 (08:21):
true.
Yeah, that's a really goodpoint.
It just feels like that's a showthat would be obsolete today.

SPEAKER_02 (08:28):
Yeah, no.
It would be a TV show aboutpeople doing a podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (08:36):
Wow.
A TV show about people doing apodcast.
Interesting.
He also directed on a show.
I don't know this show.
Filthy Rich.

SPEAKER_03 (08:49):
But

SPEAKER_04 (08:50):
some of the movies that he did, like Father Like
Son, K-9, The Super, Back toMore Television, he directed on
Caroline in the City, BostonCommon.
And then his final credit was in2002, where he did the TV movie
Home Alone 4.
colon, taking back the house.

SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
I mean, how old is he in Home Alone 4?
Is he just like, is it HomeAlone 4, just spending some time
alone?

SPEAKER_04 (09:17):
It's definitely not Macaulay Culkin.
I don't know if it's like acousin of Kevin's or if they
just like, Kevin staysperpetually suspended in time as
a child.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (09:28):
Like the Simpsons, they just never...
Yeah, I have

SPEAKER_04 (09:30):
no idea what the story is,

SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
but...
Rod Daniel had a couple...
Well, not a couple of greatlines, but there was a couple
things attributed to him that Ithought were interesting.
One, when prospective directorswere being asked about what this
movie is supposed to be about,they would say it's a werewolf
movie.
And he said, it's about a fatherand his son.
And so ostensibly, that's why hegot the job.

SPEAKER_04 (09:55):
I do really like the relationship.
I love James Hampton.
I think he is so good.
We'll get to him for sure.
But he's so good in this movie.
He is just pitch perfect.

SPEAKER_02 (10:08):
He really is.
As

SPEAKER_04 (10:09):
Scott's father.
And even more so than...
He brings more to thatrelationship than, dare I say,
Michael J.
Fox does as his son.

SPEAKER_02 (10:19):
Maybe, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (10:22):
I'm not trying to bash on Michael J.
Fox, but...

SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
I mean, he certainly would not care.
This is...
He hates this movie.

SPEAKER_04 (10:29):
It makes me sad that he does, because I love this
movie.

SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
Maybe he did.
Maybe he doesn't still.

SPEAKER_04 (10:34):
I feel like...
No, I think you're right.
And he has, like, that weirdattitude about it that, like,
other people...
Like, you know, Jennifer Anistonwon't acknowledge Leprechaun.

SPEAKER_02 (10:45):
Oh, she's in Leprechaun, all right.

SPEAKER_04 (10:46):
And, you know, I know that, like, I don't know
if, like, the bad blood hasbeen...
rectified but like I know thatJohn Cusack had a real problem
with like Better Off Dead andthe director of that so it's
like these actors have theselike weird hang-ups about some
of their really early work whereI'm like relax

SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
yeah I would say like if Michael J.
Fox felt that way at the timeand it sounded like he did I can
kind of get it if he hasaspirations that He's like, I'm
not happy being a teen wolf.
I have other things.
Do you know how many

SPEAKER_04 (11:25):
fucking people would have killed to get this role?
That's why I'm eye-rolling.
Because it's like, come on, man.
You know?
Yeah, I know that you, I thinkhe got an Emmy for Family Ties.
And I know that Back to theFuture, like, propelled him into
stardom.
But it's like, don't fuckingforget your roots, Michael J.

(11:45):
Fox.

SPEAKER_02 (11:46):
Your roots are being a werewolf.
Your

SPEAKER_04 (11:47):
Teen Wolf roots.
Anyway.
Cinematography.
Tim.

SPEAKER_02 (11:54):
Tim.
Good job, Tim.
Wait, what do we, let me see whowe got here.

SPEAKER_04 (12:00):
Sustret.

SPEAKER_02 (12:03):
Oh.
Is that it?
I

SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
feel terrible.
I am not pronouncing thisgentleman's last name correctly,
I'm sure.
How would you say it?

SPEAKER_02 (12:12):
That could be it.
Okay.
Let me take a look here.
And the

SPEAKER_04 (12:15):
thing is that this is not the first time he's come
up, so I probably said it wrongon multiple other occasions.

SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 (12:23):
So I apologize again, Tim.

SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
I'm going to say Tim Surstadt.

SPEAKER_04 (12:27):
Okay, great.
So, yes, we have brought him upbefore, and...
Almost certainly, at least forone movie in particular, maybe
two, he will circle back.
He has done a ton of film work.
I have like so many credits forhim and TV work, but so many

(12:47):
films that I love.
So let's start off with some ofthem.
Let's do it.
Not to say that this is a filmthat I love, but he started
early in his career with a filmcalled Android and then did The
House on Sorority Row, which ishorror, which I'd like to check

SPEAKER_02 (13:02):
out.
I figured, yeah.
It sounded like it was going tobe, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:05):
Suburbia.
Oh, yeah.
Space Rage.

SPEAKER_02 (13:09):
Space Rage.

SPEAKER_04 (13:10):
Yeah, that sounds like fun.
Here's the first film that Ithink we will almost certainly
cover with him again, Critters.

SPEAKER_02 (13:16):
We've talked about that.
A few times.
We're going to do it, huh?
It's going to happen.
It

SPEAKER_04 (13:20):
may not happen this Halloween series.

SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Oh, it's definitely going to happen in this.
We already have it all, like,

SPEAKER_04 (13:25):
scoped out.
We'll talk about that at the endof the episode.
But definitely at some pointwe're going to do Critters.
He also shot Mannequin.
So that's the other one that I'msure at some point we will do.
We already have talked abouthim.
Was it just, it's like, thisyear's been a blur.
Was it just earlier this yearthat we did Mystic Pizza?

UNKNOWN (13:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (13:46):
We definitely have covered that, but...
I

SPEAKER_04 (13:49):
don't remember if it was this season or last season,
but we did it.
So go check that one out.
I know for sure that muchearlier, probably season two, we
did Bill and Ted's ExcellentAdventure.
Yes.
So he shot that.
He shot Men at Work.
Dang it.

SPEAKER_02 (14:03):
1990.

SPEAKER_04 (14:03):
Yeah.
And Don't Tell Mom theBabysitter's Dead.
So some TV work.
He did the original.
He shot some of the originalWonder Years.
Picket Fences.
Chicago Hope.
More films.
He did Noises Off.
He did The Wedding Singer.
Oh, fun.
Yeah.
Office Space.

(14:25):
More TV work.
He shot some of Ally McBeal,Grey's Anatomy.
More films, Little MissSunshine.
I mean, he's done so much and somuch that people love.
Little Miss Sunshine, Idiocracy.
He

SPEAKER_02 (14:37):
must have gotten in with Mike Judge pretty good
because I see Office Space,Idiocracy, Extract.
Those were all his.

SPEAKER_04 (14:45):
That makes a ton of sense.
Always Be My Maybe.
And wasn't Mike Judge also,correct me if I'm wrong, he did
a ton of work on Silicon Valley.
Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (14:57):
And most recently, the TV series Bookie.
So still very much working.
Okay.
The composer, Miles Goodman.
I love the music.
And I'm not talking about thesongs.
I love so many of the songs.
The last one, Lin in the End.
I play that song almost weekly.
I love that song so much.

(15:17):
But the score, Miles Goodman...
sadly he passed away in 1996 hewas just 46 he had a heart
attack it's when you go throughhis filmography though it's
amazing how much he accomplishedbefore he passed away It makes
me sad because it makes me thinkthere was probably so much more

(15:38):
that he could have given to us,but he did leave us with already
an amazing filmography.
Earlier in his career, he didsome TV work.
He composed on a TV show.
I don't know this, but I wascurious, kind of looking at it.
I was like, huh, interesting.
A show called James at 16.

SPEAKER_02 (15:55):
Oh, okay.
It's

SPEAKER_04 (15:56):
like some kid who moves cross country.
I don't know.
I was like, wow, they made ashow out of that.
Okay.
Eight is Enough.
So he worked on that.
So now, films.
And actually, we probably havementioned him before.
He did work on The Man WhoWasn't There, but the one that
I'm talking about is Little Shopof Horrors.

SPEAKER_02 (16:16):
Yeah, sure he came up for that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (16:18):
Specifically, the motion picture score, because it
is a...
musical so that's what he workedon there I mean very possibly at
some point in the future maybewe'll cover a film like La Bamba
he scored that he also worked onLike Father Like Son Dirt Run
Scoundrels he also worked on K9Opportunity Knocks Problem Child

(16:42):
a lot of comedy He Said She SaidWhat About Bob he did the Muppet
Christmas Carol nice and thenhis final credit was the film
Till There Was You

SPEAKER_02 (16:54):
He had like, between 88 and 89, he had like almost 10
credits.

SPEAKER_04 (16:58):
I mean, it's like he had a heart attack at 46.
I don't know if he was workinghimself too hard.
But yeah, I mean, he left ussome amazing work.
I wish we could have heard more.
Film editing.
Louis Freeman Fox.
Louis FF.

SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
Double F.
F squared.

SPEAKER_04 (17:19):
Double F.
So...
It's funny.
It's clear that this group of,minus the cinematographer, but
the composer, the editor, andthe director worked on a couple
projects together.
I have almost all films for her.
She also worked on Father LikeSon.
She also worked on Canine.

(17:40):
The other dog movie, Turner andHooch, she worked on that.

SPEAKER_02 (17:44):
I think a lot of people who like Turner and Hooch
would call Canine the other dogmovie.
True,

SPEAKER_04 (17:49):
but chronologically...

SPEAKER_02 (17:50):
Fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 (17:51):
Yeah.
She cut Air America.
She cut the film Stop or My MomWill Shoot.

SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
Oh, yeah.
With Sylvester Stallone.
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:03):
Yeah.
And Estelle Getty.
Yeah.
I put this one in because Iremember this being a very
seminal TV film and the bandplayed on.

SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
Oh, really?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (18:16):
Yes.
Okay.
To my recollection, it is a filmthat covered kind of the
initial...

SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (18:23):
Yeah.
Like when the AIDS epidemic

SPEAKER_02 (18:27):
really blew up.
That's exactly what it is.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:29):
So she cut that.
She did Fantasia 2000.
Yeah.
Which I thought was interesting.
Osmosis Jones.
And I think she's retired atthis point.
Her last credits 20 years ago,2005, through the Mobius strip.

SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Cool.

SPEAKER_04 (18:48):
Yeah.
All right.
We're at the stars of the film.
So first off, of course, MichaelJ.
Fox.
Yeah.
It's been a minute since we'vebrought him up.
I mean, we talked about him,what was it, last summer, last
season for Back to the Future 2?

SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
That sounds correct.

SPEAKER_04 (19:09):
Yeah, so it hasn't been a huge amount of time since
we've talked about him, but...
I mean, so well known.
And he is still working.
I think everyone is extremelyfamiliar with the personal
battle that he's had withParkinson's for quite a while at
this point.
He's a huge advocate forresearch and discovery around

(19:30):
treatment methods around it.
But he still is working, forsure.
And he has been part of, like,for both film and television, a
number of projects that are muchbeloved.
This wasn't, like, his firstcredit, but, you know, totally
his rise to fame was throughFamily Ties as Alex P.

(19:54):
Keaton.
So I'm...
Anyway, I'm not going to go downthat path today.
What?
Well, okay.
So because obviously the conceitin that show, at least part of
it was the fact that the parentsare hippies.
Yes.
And he's a young Republican.

SPEAKER_02 (20:10):
He's like the president of the Young
Republican Club.

SPEAKER_04 (20:13):
So I just, you know, given things as they are in
today's world.

SPEAKER_02 (20:18):
I would say that his character.
He

SPEAKER_04 (20:21):
was very fiscally.
Like he's very money driven.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
Yes.
Yes, he was.
Very much so.
Like, his dream was to, like,work at a bank or something.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (20:33):
yeah.
Which nobody's working at a banktoday.
But anyway.
So, Family Ties.
Film work preceding Back to theFuture.
Class of 1984.
High School USA.
A lot of, like, high school typemovies.
Makes sense.
Yeah, sure.
So...

(20:54):
Here we go.
As we brought up just a coupleminutes ago, Back to the Future
just launches him.

SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
Thanks, Eric Stoltz.

SPEAKER_04 (21:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well...

SPEAKER_02 (21:05):
It's all worked out.
It's all worked out fine

SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
movie like

SPEAKER_04 (21:36):
well even Crispin Glover had a like weird take on
what he thought the film was andthought that it was like an
atrocious ending to basicallyequate happiness with like
materialistic wealth which isvery clearly what the McFly
family has in the new 1985anyway so I do feel bad for

(22:02):
Stoltz though because they didwant Michael J.
Fox and the reason why theydidn't get him is because of the
schedule that he had had onFamily Ties and so you know they
pull stolts in and then it'sjust not working out because
it's kind of like when you'redating someone you're like well
i don't really want to be withyou but i couldn't be with the
person i really wanted to bewith and so but now they're
available but now they'reavailable so now i'm gonna dump

(22:24):
you anyway uh so yeah he doesthe entire trilogy back to the
future one two and three hugesuccess uh follows that up well
like i said this film wassupposed to come out beforehand
and they shelved it for a whileuntil Back to the Future came
out and that was the right move.

SPEAKER_02 (22:45):
Yeah, I think so.
I don't

SPEAKER_04 (22:47):
know how successful or well-known this film would
have been had it come outbefore.

SPEAKER_02 (22:52):
It was easier to watch Teen Wolf separating Marty
McFly and Scott, I think, thanit would have been seeing
someone who I had just watchedbecome a werewolf now going back
in time.

SPEAKER_04 (23:05):
That's a good point.
Yeah.
He does The Secret of MySuccess, which at some point we
might do.
I mean, honestly, a couple ofthese films we could, although I
don't know how much I want to doBright Lights, Big City.
He goes

SPEAKER_02 (23:17):
off in very different directions.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (23:19):
and now I think this came up the last time we talked
about him.
He starts doing the seriouswork.
Yeah.
So Bright Lights, Big City,Casualties of War.
This is not a serious movie, buthe goes back to comedy.
He does Doc Hollywood.
He is...
fantastic in the frighteners

SPEAKER_02 (23:37):
yeah that's probably like my favorite movie like once
you get beyond a teen wolf andback to the future trilogy yeah
it's really good

SPEAKER_04 (23:45):
very good very very good in that film that's a great
horror film i wish it was 80sbut uh and then He largely– his
career has largely been intelevision for kind of the
latter part of his career.
So he was the headliner on SpinCity and– To my recollection,

(24:07):
there came a point where what hewas contenting with as far as
his physical health preventedhim from continuing with that
show.
And so he stepped away andCharlie Sheen stepped in

SPEAKER_03 (24:19):
until

SPEAKER_04 (24:21):
that show ended, which is kind of funny because
then the same thing happened toCharlie Sheen on Two and a Half
Men.

SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:26):
More mental health than physical health.
But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
More in terms of it being about 100%.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:34):
He, though, has had stints on Boston Legal.
I mean, he had.
I remember that.
Yeah.
The Michael J.
Fox show.
So that was around for a minute.
He was on The Good Wife.
I remember.
I wonder if he got any Emmy lovefor that.
He was on The Good Wife for awhile.
Designated Survivor.
And then more recently, The GoodFight.

(24:56):
So same world.
So probably same character.
And.
What I have noticed, especiallythe last time we watched it for
this episode, his physicalcomedy is great.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
you called out when he was sliding down the hall to
get to the restroom.

SPEAKER_04 (25:15):
Yeah, that was really him.
So he didn't do that.
Apparently, he's not a greatdancer.
He

SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
had a basketball double.
He

SPEAKER_04 (25:24):
did, too.

SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
Played by someone who at the time was playing
college basketball.
And this was the other quote orfact, I guess, attributed to
Daniel, the director, was thatsomewhere there's a vault of
about an hour of the mostembarrassing sports footage ever
taken.

SPEAKER_04 (25:40):
Yeah.
I mean, he did have somebodystep in with him.
But I do think he did a lot ofthe basketball scenes himself as
well.
Because you can see it.

SPEAKER_02 (25:49):
It's him.
Yeah.
They didn't have the technology.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (25:52):
it's him.
They didn't like put his head onsomebody else.
And I think, you know, I readtoo that Because of that,
everything had to be– which it'slike that makes complete sense.
It's for anything in film ortelevision.
It has to be choreographed.
I guess at some point Fox waslike, can we just wing it?
And that's probably what you'realluding to.

(26:12):
Can we just

SPEAKER_02 (26:13):
play some pickup ball?

SPEAKER_04 (26:14):
Yeah, and I guess that did not turn out well.
It

SPEAKER_02 (26:17):
wouldn't– yeah, no.
I could see how that wouldn'twork if you're trying to
actually film something and getspecific looks at players.

SPEAKER_04 (26:25):
Yeah, I mean I– I really like him in this film
because, again, I think he doeswell with the physical comedy.
Whether or not in the momentthat he was filming this–
because this preceded Back tothe Future, so I think he was
committed to the performance atthe time.

(26:47):
It was just after the fact thatonce he got his stardom, he
maybe felt a certain way aboutthe movie.

UNKNOWN (26:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (26:54):
in retrospect but he I think does a really good job
of committing to this like highschooler who finds out that he's
also a werewolf and

SPEAKER_02 (27:06):
it sounds crazy when you say it out loud

SPEAKER_04 (27:09):
but he he does great like in the scene where he's in
the bathroom and it's the firstfull transformation the way that
he looks at himself when itwants the transformation like
he's really good at being likeoh my god you know like it's he
sells it

SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
which is tough to do when you have like four hours
yes makeup and prosthetics andeverything yeah

SPEAKER_04 (27:32):
he really sells it i mean he the the the one thing
that i think they could havemaybe done with a lighter touch
is the fact that like allthroughout the movie like i get
it but like all throughout themovie he's like i'm so normal
i'm so average i want to bedifferent and i want to just be
like everybody else and it'slike

SPEAKER_02 (27:52):
Yeah, he does say that a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (27:54):
A lot.
Yeah.
And I was like, I don't know ifI needed that for this story.
I don't know, but he is good.
I think that he did as well asanybody could have in this role.
I'm trying to think of otheryoung actors at the time.
Could you imagine Tom Cruisedoing this?
I mean, I

SPEAKER_02 (28:12):
don't have to imagine Jason Bateman because we
can just watch it and then we'llknow.

SPEAKER_04 (28:17):
But of his contemporaries at this time who
were also big names and probablycould have been up for the role,
I

SPEAKER_02 (28:25):
Tom Cruise would have just been like, absolutely
not.

SPEAKER_04 (28:27):
Yeah.
Or at the time, he was probablystill super popular, like
Timothy Hutton or just otherreally young actors.
Anybody from the Outsiders,Emilio Estevez, Charlie Sheen.
Any of these people probablywould have been in

SPEAKER_02 (28:42):
talks.
I could see some of thoseworking.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (28:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:45):
Estevez over Sheen.

SPEAKER_02 (28:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (28:47):
Yeah.
But Fox did a great job in this.
Okay, moving on to JamesHampton, who plays Scott's
father, Harold

SPEAKER_02 (28:59):
Howard.
Harold Howard.
Two first names.
That's how you know the familyis cursed.

SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
He's so good in this.
And he has passed away.
He passed away in 2021.
And...
I just love him in this movie somuch.

SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
He's a good dad.

SPEAKER_04 (29:18):
He's such a good dad.
Probably he should have had aconversation with Scott, even
though he was hoping it wouldskip a generation.
Probably should have had thetalk.

SPEAKER_02 (29:27):
It landed right on his face.

SPEAKER_04 (29:28):
Yeah, exactly.
So that maybe as a dad, maybeyou should have given your kid a
heads up because that would be,I mean, that is more shocking
than even the opening scene inCarrie, right?
Where, like, Carrie doesn't knowabout periods.
And, like, this would be farmore upsetting.

SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
What if he tells him and shows, because he's going to
tell him and he's not going tobelieve his dad.
So then he's going to shift intoa werewolf.
Really a

SPEAKER_04 (29:54):
chipmunk.

SPEAKER_02 (29:56):
And then what if it does skip his generation?

SPEAKER_04 (30:00):
Well, that's still good for him to know because he
will probably maybe havechildren.
Yeah.
And they'll have to know.
So so he needs to knowregardless.
He might

SPEAKER_02 (30:12):
have kids, but he spent the whole movie not
recognizing the one woman who isinterested in.
So he might not.

SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
It's such a cliche, though, of like the best friend
waiting in the wings who like it

SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
was very.
Oh, my gosh.
The John Hughes movie that wewere.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (30:29):
Or like that Taylor Swift song.
Like it's all it's just such acliche anyway.
But James Hampton is.
Had a long career.
I mean, a lot of TV work, to bequite honest.
I do have a couple notablefilms, but very early in his
career, he was on the TV show FTroop.
He was on the Doris Day show fora while.

(30:49):
A film, The Cat from OuterSpace.

SPEAKER_02 (30:54):
Oh, I love that movie.
When I was a kid, I loved thatmovie.
It was so ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 (30:57):
Are you being serious right now?

SPEAKER_02 (30:59):
I am being 100% serious.
Yeah?
Do you

SPEAKER_04 (31:00):
remember him in this movie?

SPEAKER_02 (31:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (31:03):
okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:04):
The cat from outer space.
He also was in The ChinaSyndrome.
It's funny.
We brought this up just a coupleweeks ago.
He was also on the TV showMaggie.
We brought it up because, oh mygosh, Cousin Catherine from
National Lampoon's Vacation.
She was Maggie.
Oh.
So, yeah, I was just like,didn't we just bring that up a

(31:26):
couple weeks ago?
He voiced because there was aanimated Teen Wolf series.
So he reprises his role as thedad.
He, for a while, was on the soapopera Days of Our Lives.
More films pump up the volume.
Sling Blade.
And then his final credit was avideo called The Association.

(31:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:48):
But

SPEAKER_04 (31:49):
even beyond what I've mentioned, a lot of TV
work, like one-offs, two-offs.

SPEAKER_02 (31:53):
I feel like that's what would have happened back in
the 80s, 90s.
There's a successful movie andyou spin it off, not into a TV
show, but into an animatedthing.

SPEAKER_04 (32:04):
Yeah, that seemed very common, right?
They did it with Ghostbusters.

SPEAKER_02 (32:06):
Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Teen Wolf.
I guess it would be...
It wouldn't make sense if I saidHe-Man because that already
started as a cartoon then.

SPEAKER_04 (32:19):
Right.
That

SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
was the opposite, wasn't it?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:21):
I mean, it'd be funny if they did that with like
crazy serious films.
Like, could you imagine if theydid like a cartoon of like The
Godfather?

SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
Holy shit.
That'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (32:29):
Kind of would be.

SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:30):
I claim that idea.
That would be so funny to havecartoons of just like a cartoon
of deliverance.
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 (32:44):
That really escalated quickly.
You

SPEAKER_04 (32:46):
know that there's an audience for that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (32:50):
I think there's maybe an audience for Animated
Godfather, but I don't know ifthere's an audience for Animated
Deliverance.

SPEAKER_04 (32:59):
We'll try out that.
We'll test that theory.
Anyway, moving on to Boof, whichI guess, which I'm like, Boof?
What the hell kind of?
Obviously, it's a nickname.
I don't think they...
ever call her by her real name,which I guess is Lisa.
It

SPEAKER_02 (33:16):
is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (33:16):
But I don't think a single person ever calls her
that in the film.

SPEAKER_02 (33:20):
Lisa Boof Marconi, based on one of the writer's
high school girlfriends, thatreally was her name.

SPEAKER_04 (33:27):
You know, I get it, nicknames, but it's just, it's
always stuck out to me.
Like, what a crazy nickname

SPEAKER_03 (33:34):
for a girl.
Why?
Why?

SPEAKER_04 (33:37):
It didn't have to, just because your girlfriend in
high school had that nickname,you didn't have to give it to
the character.
But, oh well, I guess it's likean homage.
So, played by Susan Ursitti, isthe way I'm going to say her
last name.
Yeah.
So, she very much has just...
I'm not going to say retiredbecause she wasn't an older

(33:57):
actor.
She just decided to do otherthings with her life.
She married.
She had a family.
I read that I think she does alot of charity work.
She married into a Hollywoodfamily.
Anyway.
So most of her work is from the80s.
Preceding this film, she was inthe comedy Zapped.

SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
Which is basically, what if we combined Porky's and
telekinesis?
Terrible.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:24):
She's in that.
She's in a film called Funland,Due in Time on Planet Earth.
This has absolutely nothing todo with zombies, but she is in
the 1995 film The Walking Dead.
Okay.
And then her last credit was ashort from 97.
So she's already been out of thegame.
for like what almost 30 yearsit's just 976 wish is the short

(34:48):
so

SPEAKER_02 (34:49):
Apparently, because this was, like, the second,
like, major thing that she wasin.
She was

SPEAKER_04 (34:54):
really early in her career.

SPEAKER_02 (34:55):
She slapped the shit out of Michael J.
Fox when she was...
She didn't understand, like, astage kind of slap.
I get it.
The director worked with herbecause she, like, really rocked
him the first time.
Some

SPEAKER_04 (35:06):
people, though, are legitimately like, no, really
slapped me.
Yeah.
For, like, they were all methodabout it.
So...
You never know.
You never know.

SPEAKER_02 (35:14):
Just start off that way and then find

SPEAKER_04 (35:16):
out.
Okay.
Moving on to Jerry.
Would you say Levine or Levine?

SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
Oh, that's a tough one.
I think either one is a viableoption.
So I'm just going to say Levine.

SPEAKER_04 (35:28):
Okay.
So such a memorable character.
I mean, like, look, virtuallyevery fucking teen movie has
like the sidekick, the bestfriend sidekick.
Boof is like the female bestfriend.
Stiles...
is the buddy and the one whosuper capitalizes off the fact
that scott is a teen wolf so

SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
he gives him the name

SPEAKER_04 (35:50):
yeah he he really is a fun character i mean we
briefly brought it up at thetail end of last episode There's
a couple mildly problematicthings in this film.
The most egregious is aconversation he has with Scott
in the garage where he usesslurs.

SPEAKER_02 (36:09):
They drop a couple F-bombs.

SPEAKER_04 (36:11):
Yeah, it's not great.
But otherwise, he is anentertaining character.
His whole thing is wearingT-shirts with...
weird phrases or funny phraseson them.
Like, what are you looking at?
Dick knows, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 (36:26):
Yeah, that was one of them.

SPEAKER_04 (36:27):
That was one of them.
This was his first film credit.
Not his first credit overall,but his first film credit.
And he has been very busy as anactor, but he has, I think,
largely pivoted into TVdirecting.
He directs a ton of different TVprojects.
But specifically, as far as hisacting work goes, especially in

(36:49):
the 80s, he still was veryactive in front of the camera.
He was in Iron Eagle, Out ofBounds, Casual Sex, question
mark.
A TV show called The Bronx Zoo.
He also was in K-9.
So he re-teams with Daniel.
He was in...
I don't...
You saw this?
I really haven't.
Born on the 4th of July.
Man,

SPEAKER_02 (37:11):
that is a really, really good movie that is really
hard to watch at times.
I think it has come up in one ofour...
It's come up a ton, yeah.
Because you see Tom Cruise'scharacter go through this
journey where he'squestioning...

(37:31):
what it means to be an Americanor a patriot or just a man.
By the time you get to the end,watching the end of that movie
and then thinking about whatwe're experiencing now, it's
just...
I don't know if it should justbe expected.
Sometimes I feel like we'velearned nothing.

(37:55):
Oh, I think that's clear.
Yeah.
I

SPEAKER_04 (37:56):
think that's abundantly clear.

SPEAKER_02 (37:58):
Yeah, because...
The message has been out forquite a while, and we just
didn't listen, and now here'swhere we are.

SPEAKER_04 (38:08):
Do you remember Levine in it?

SPEAKER_02 (38:11):
I'd have to see it again, and I don't know if

SPEAKER_04 (38:12):
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (38:14):
racing to watch it again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can't think of who hewould have been.

SPEAKER_04 (38:18):
Okay.
he was also in the tv show goingplaces the film swimming with
sharks that's a film that iwouldn't watch again it's just
so in so filled with anxietylike it's just you're walking on
which i'm sure yeah and i'm sureit's so intentional and frank
wally i believe um who is younghe's uh archie graham yeah

(38:40):
that's

SPEAKER_02 (38:40):
okay yeah

SPEAKER_04 (38:41):
so um Anyway, he's in that TV series, Muscle, Will
and Grace.
And I think I do remember himguesting on that.
And then more recently, AmericanSports Story.
I think he's, oh man, RobertKraft.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I think he plays Robert Kraft.
Okay, moving on to the weirdfriend in this film,

SPEAKER_02 (39:04):
Lewis.
I mean, I don't know if he'sweird.
He's a little concerned thatthere is a teen wolf among them.

SPEAKER_04 (39:12):
Yeah, I don't know what to think about him.
He...
So, played by Matt Adler.
He just...
Is an interesting character,because I can't quite nail down
what he's supposed to be about.
He gets almost no lines.

SPEAKER_02 (39:28):
Yeah, he's kind of like, I'm just here.
My character doesn't reallymatter that much, so...
There's

SPEAKER_04 (39:32):
a lot of reaction shots.

SPEAKER_02 (39:34):
How'd you get that keg of beer?
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (39:36):
Yeah, and...
Yeah, you're right.
He obviously...
But, okay, so...
Scott definitely goes on ajourney where he goes from being
super self-conscious about beingthe Teen Wolf to really loving
the spotlight, the limelightthat he gets for it.

(39:58):
And Lewis...
doesn't like this change inscott i don't think it's so much
about the teen wolf but he hethinks that scott's just acting
kind of obnoxious i think

SPEAKER_02 (40:07):
i think he was kind of a well there was a little bit
of fear when they're at the wasit the dance where scott rips
mick's shirt off

SPEAKER_04 (40:15):
but even lewis is doing that stupid dance with
everybody else like ispecifically saw a cutaway to
him where he's enjoying himselfwhen he's doing the whole
choreography that fucking danceit's like the african ant eater
dance which we still need to dothat movie too um can't buy i
mean love yeah but yeah i lovewhen there's just like
spontaneous choreography atschool dances

SPEAKER_02 (40:38):
that that's like that

SPEAKER_04 (40:39):
have never been done before that's

SPEAKER_02 (40:42):
definitely a thing from like 80s and 90s teen
movies that now is like parodiedor there's like a self-awareness
of it in movies now

SPEAKER_04 (40:51):
probably the funniest one i want to say is
actually um She's all that.
There's just this epic, totallychoreographed dance sequence in
that

SPEAKER_02 (41:06):
film.
Which works and is expected ifit's a musical.
Sure.
But when it's otherwise just aregular movie and then it busts
out into that, what justhappened?

SPEAKER_04 (41:15):
Yes.
In any case, Lewis...
And the thing is that he's thereand then he's kind of just not
there anymore.
And then

SPEAKER_02 (41:25):
he's there just so we know he's concerned.

SPEAKER_04 (41:27):
Yeah, I don't know if there's supposed to be more
with this character and hisrelationship with Scott and it
got cut.
I don't know.
It just feels like he's there,but he's not.
It's a very strange character tome.
Very lukewarm in terms of...
What they bring to the table.
And I'm not trying to slamAdler.

(41:47):
I think you only can work withwhat you're given.
Yeah.
But in any case, he is stillworking.
Earlier in his career, andhonestly, there's other films
that we could cover that he isin.
He's in Flight of the Navigator.

SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
So he's in that.
Whitewater Summer, which thisone only came on my radar this
year, but it has like KevinBacon in it as well.
Like, I'm like, huh, never heardof this film until now.
So he's in that.
He, I think, is the headliner inthe film North Shore.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (42:20):
yeah, I think so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:22):
Yeah.
So he's in that.
He's also in Doing Time onPlanet Earth.
So he's in that as well.
Dream a Little Dream.
The Peacemaker.
He is, I think, doing a ton ofvoice work later in his career.
So a couple TV series, which isjust a couple.
There's much more than this.
The Big O.
And then also Shaggy andScooby-Doo Get a Clue.

SPEAKER_02 (42:45):
And he also...
He voiced one of the characters.
I don't know who Wala is.
I can't think of who that was inAkira, but he voiced some of the
English voices for that,which...

SPEAKER_04 (42:58):
I had a feeling you might bring that up.

SPEAKER_02 (42:59):
When I see that, I usually just have the original
Japanese with English subtitles.
But yeah, that's super cool.
I don't know that we would everdo or cover Akira for that
reason.
There would be almost no one...

SPEAKER_04 (43:15):
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (43:16):
When we're going through credits, there would be
nothing that we'd be able totie.
Probably

SPEAKER_04 (43:20):
familiarity, yeah.
Okay, moving on to Pamela, thehot girl that Scott wants to get
with.

SPEAKER_02 (43:26):
Man, it's sad.
He is so obsessed with her.
It's pathetic.
He approaches her at the partyand says, looking for someone.
And she just says, not you.
And walks away.
And that really should have beenit.

SPEAKER_04 (43:40):
And this is already after him very awkwardly being
like, I'd really love to giveyou a ride to the party.
And she's just like, no, thankyou.
And then her boyfriend comes andliterally sweeps her off her
feet.

SPEAKER_02 (43:53):
Yeah, you're right.
That should have been it.
If he's like, you know what?
I'm going to take a second shotat this party.
What are we fucking doing afterthat?

SPEAKER_04 (44:01):
And it kind of makes me feel a certain way about
Scott because I was like, youdon't have anything in common.
You really know nothing abouther except for the fact that
she's physically attractive.
And you're coming on reallyhard.
I also understand thatregardless of a boyfriend, that
would not be– the way to try toengage with somebody that you're
interested in.

SPEAKER_02 (44:21):
You know what he did in this movie?
He turned Boof into like someoneon Love is Blind who gets picked
second.
That's what he did to her.

SPEAKER_04 (44:31):
Yes.
So Lori Griffin is the actor.
This was her very first credit.
And she also has pivoted out ofacting.
So I only really have a handfulof credits for her.
Mostly films.
She was in Aloha Summer.
Cheerleader Camp.

SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
Is that a horror movie?

SPEAKER_04 (44:53):
Kind of sounds like it,

SPEAKER_02 (44:53):
doesn't it?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:55):
Sandman.
And then her last credit wasalso 1997.
So she's kind of been out of theacting world for a minute.
A TV series called The BurningZone.
Okay.
But yeah, I mean...
Look, it's so clear.
And also it's just weird becauseit's like, even when they were
at that party, I don't know howto explain it, but like, you

(45:22):
know, so Scott and Boof doessentially like seven seconds
in heaven or whatever it is inthe closet.

SPEAKER_02 (45:27):
They were in there for a couple minutes.

SPEAKER_04 (45:29):
They were in there for a couple minutes, but it's
like the same idea.
Like they're told to go in thereand do whatever you want to

SPEAKER_02 (45:33):
do.

UNKNOWN (45:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (45:34):
They kiss.
And I was like, is this not thefirst time you guys have kissed
before?
Like, I would think if this isthe first time I'm kissing,
like, my best friend, it wouldbe a way bigger deal.
But then it's kind of a nothingafter the fact.
Like, it never comes up again.
He's still interested in Pamela.

SPEAKER_02 (45:51):
They were real casual.

SPEAKER_04 (45:52):
It was real casual.

SPEAKER_02 (45:55):
Yeah.
I don't know what he did withPamela when he was the wolf
after the play rehearsal thing.
Got them howling.

SPEAKER_04 (46:05):
I think they slept together.

SPEAKER_02 (46:08):
Because if you're a boof.
Right.
You might be like, you knowwhat?
Right.
Exactly.
But hey, this is a small town ineither California or Nebraska.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, limited options, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 (46:23):
Yeah, they did.
I mean, they did a ton offilming.
I think specifically like maybePasadena.
They were like working on thesame block that Back to the
Future had filmed stuff on.

SPEAKER_02 (46:31):
Their homes.
Yeah.
Scott's home and the McFly'shome.
It's like

SPEAKER_04 (46:34):
always Pasadena.
They do have beautiful homes inPasadena.
So, yeah, I feel I feel kind ofI mean, obviously, Pamela is
definitely interested in Scottonce he gets that popularity
because of the wolf.
That's a big turn on for her.
So she's not like a...

SPEAKER_02 (46:52):
Also weird.

SPEAKER_04 (46:53):
Yeah.
And I love how she's like, awolf isn't supposed to be shy.
I'm like, what are you talkingabout?
I would say that instinctually,a wolf would run away if they
saw a human.
So yes, they are shy.

(47:13):
I didn't worry.
That was just a weird line tome.
I don't know.
Moving on.
So moving on to her boyfriend, Iguess, Mick, who looks about 48
years old in this film.
Really, he was about 28.
But he and, like, Stiles, thosetwo in particular, I'm like, not
high school students.
Like, he even looks older than,like, what his age was in the

(47:36):
film.
Very much so.
Yeah.
Mark Arnold.
And, you know, he's the baddie.
He's the, like, tough boyfriendwho hates Scott even before he
knows he's a Teen Wolf.

SPEAKER_02 (47:46):
He's such a dick.
Yeah.
Like, when they have the firstgame, like, to open up the
movie, and that was a fuckingfoul, by the way.
They didn't call that foul.
But he just, like, pulls him up,and he's like, you guys suck.

SPEAKER_04 (48:01):
So he's the bully boyfriend.
And he's super busy.
He has been working, working,working ever since.

SPEAKER_02 (48:11):
I thought you meant in the movie because he's
everywhere.
He doesn't even go to theschool.
I know

SPEAKER_04 (48:14):
he is.
He's in so many scenes.
I'm like, you're just theboyfriend who doesn't even go to
the school.
How are you everywhere?
He's everywhere.
Yeah.
So he has like kind of earlierin his career, a lot of TV work.
I don't know what the show is,but he was in 400.
That's what IMDb is saying.
476 episodes.

UNKNOWN (48:33):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (48:34):
of a show called The Edge of Night.
That could be a typo becausethey've done that before with
like, they might just bealluding to the entirety

SPEAKER_02 (48:42):
of the show.
It's from 1980 to 1983.
I don't know.
I

SPEAKER_04 (48:49):
don't know.
There was an episode every day.
But you're seeing the same thingI did, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't

SPEAKER_02 (49:00):
know.
So, okay.
The Edge of Night was a TVseries that began in 1956.

SPEAKER_04 (49:08):
Oh, well, there you go.
He was born in 1957, I believe,so maybe he was on there as a
baby.
Fuck.
Grew up with the show.
Maybe.
So that's currently what theyhave him down for.
All

SPEAKER_03 (49:25):
right.

SPEAKER_04 (49:26):
He's done a number of different soap operas.
He was on Santa Barbara.
And I read that, like, I thinkit was for Santa Barbara.
He wanted to time the coming outof this film with his character
getting killed.
To

SPEAKER_02 (49:42):
mark it.

SPEAKER_04 (49:42):
Yeah, so that he could promote it.
He was also on One Life to Live.
And then I have...
Kind of all films for him afterthat.
So Alien Encounter.
I'm not sure to what degreethe...
Because I don't know if Iremember him in Kingsman, The
Golden Circle.
I

SPEAKER_02 (49:59):
don't remember a lot from...
I remember the first one.
Yeah.
The Golden Circle, what I mostremember is someone not really
having to die from a handgrenade.
So

SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
stupid.
Come on.
It was such a dumb death.

SPEAKER_02 (50:10):
Do better.
He

SPEAKER_04 (50:11):
does have a part in Blade Runner 2049.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:15):
Oh, yeah.
He's an interviewer orsomething, right?
I

SPEAKER_04 (50:18):
think

SPEAKER_02 (50:18):
so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:19):
Angel Has Fallen, Zack Snyder's Justice League, A
Christmas Story Christmas, whichwe were not able to get through.
I know our friend.
Didn't we try again?
Didn't

SPEAKER_02 (50:31):
we try again?
We may have watched it.
We may have actually gottenthrough it.
I

SPEAKER_04 (50:36):
don't recall that.
But also, this has got to be athrowback to this film.
He was in Werewolf Santa.

UNKNOWN (50:41):
What?

SPEAKER_04 (50:42):
And he actually has also– like, if you go through
his filmography, I don't know ifit's, like, buddies of his or
just he's up for any project,but he's in a ton of shorts.
That's cool.
Like, a lot of shorts.

SPEAKER_02 (50:55):
You know, it's not– I feel like the actors who play
these roles where they're justsuch dicks, sometimes pretty
nice people.
Oh, sure.
Acting.

SPEAKER_04 (51:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Acting.
So speaking of dicks– Mr.
Thorne, who apparently is thevice principal.
Yeah.
It's not even the headprincipal.
Played by James MacKrell.
Yeah.
MacKrell?
I think it's MacKrell.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
Okay, we'll go with MacKrell.

SPEAKER_04 (51:27):
He is currently on the cusp of his 88th birthday.
So that means like 40 years ago,They had to have aged him up,
right?
Because he was only in his 40swhen he did this film, and he
looks about 20 years older.
I

SPEAKER_02 (51:45):
still think with, like, costume and makeup and
stuff, you can...
It's

SPEAKER_04 (51:48):
wild, though, that he's only in his 40s in this
film.
Yeah.
Anyway, his filmography, somereally fun titles.
So he's in another horror, well,horror, but werewolf-specific
film.
He's in The Howling.

SPEAKER_02 (52:06):
Not The Howling 2.

SPEAKER_04 (52:07):
No.
The original.
So, which we still have yet todo.
Yeah.
He was in the TV series RomanceTheater.
I don't know if I remember himin Gremlins.
We have covered that one.
That was all the way back inseason one.
But I'm not sure if I rememberwho he is specifically.

SPEAKER_02 (52:27):
A news guy, maybe?
Oh,

SPEAKER_04 (52:28):
yeah.
I think you're right.
Yep.
You absolutely are.
Most fun title ever...
Cannibal Women in the AvocadoJungle of Death.
Say what?
He is in a film with that title.

SPEAKER_02 (52:40):
Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.
Oh, it's 89.
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (52:44):
So you're saying there's a chance.
He's in Defending Your Life,Dream Machine.
So I think he's probablyretired.
His last credit was in 2016 forLast Man Club.
And he's been on just a ton.
Like, he's had...
Like one episode stints on a tonof TV shows.

(53:08):
So there you go.
Okay, this guy, I do think he'sactually hilarious.
Jay Tarsis.
So he's Coach Flunstock.
He's so funny.
He's pretty good.
I think he's great in this film.

SPEAKER_02 (53:19):
He's pretty good,

SPEAKER_04 (53:20):
yeah.
He is such a character.
Like just from the jump, he isjust...
For a small role, he completelyembodies this, like, I don't
give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (53:29):
I love in the very first game at the beginning of
the movie when he's like, yeah,we just want to forfeit.

SPEAKER_04 (53:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:36):
And the other coach, who is someone that we
recognize.
I

SPEAKER_04 (53:39):
think he's a Murray brother.

SPEAKER_02 (53:41):
Was like, I have three players going for scoring
records.
So they did not forfeit.
But yeah, he was a character.

SPEAKER_04 (53:50):
Now I'm looking for...
That Murray brother.
I should have done it earlier.

SPEAKER_02 (53:56):
For the other coach, yeah.
For

SPEAKER_04 (53:58):
the other coach.
So he is still, I think he mightbe like retired, but he is 86
years old.
Still with us.
Also, so he is hilarious in thisrole, but I think more so over
the course of his career, he'sbeen like a writer slash
producer.
So that's like more so what hisjam was.

(54:19):
This is interesting to me.
Because he has a couple relateduncredited credits.
He has an uncredited credit forboth The Great Muppet Caper and
The Muppets Take Manhattan.
I'm like, how come you keepgetting uncredited for these
Muppet movies?
Interesting.
Yeah, right?
Other...

(54:41):
Oh, you know what?
I did do specifically acting.
Maybe he was just doing a favorfor somebody.
Maybe he, like, I don't know,Jim Henson, that whole world,
maybe he was just pals.

SPEAKER_02 (54:53):
Uncredited Favors.
Yeah.
That'd be the name of my movie.
Uncredited Favors.

SPEAKER_04 (54:57):
Yes.
He was in, because I am doingacting credits, so open all
night.
He...
I don't know if it's precedingor after the fact, but he was on
Family Ties.
So he re-teams with Michael J.
Fox.
The Duck Factory.

SPEAKER_01 (55:12):
The Duck Factory.

SPEAKER_04 (55:13):
Don't know it, but it was a TV show.
And he also was a big-timewriter on this.
The Days and Nights of MollyDodd.
I remember that.
That TV show.
Yeah.
And My Boys.
So moving on to Mark Holton.
Plays, I mean, not the bestname.
Chubby.
No.

UNKNOWN (55:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:32):
Not the best name.
But he is, I mean, there's likea good rounded out, I guess,
group of friends in this filmnow that I'm thinking about it.
Between Stiles, Lewis, andChubby.

SPEAKER_02 (55:45):
Yeah.
I will always remember him fromPee Wee's Big Adventure.

SPEAKER_04 (55:48):
And that is my very first credit for him.
Francis.
Yeah.
And we haven't done that yet,but that probably would be the
other film that we would do withhim.
Yeah.
I guess potentially mychauffeur.
He does reprise his role in TeenWolf 2, so he comes back.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
So he's in that.
He is in the original The NakedGun, colon, from The Files of

(56:12):
Police Squad.

SPEAKER_01 (56:13):
Cool.

SPEAKER_04 (56:14):
Yeah.
Oh, I wasn't even thinking aboutthis when I mentioned it
earlier.
He's in a lot of the Leprechaunmovies, right?

SPEAKER_02 (56:23):
And he comes back, right?
So he's in Leprechaun Returns?

SPEAKER_04 (56:26):
Yes, he is.
And then a short calledLeprechaun Revenge.

SPEAKER_02 (56:30):
Was he in the first one?

SPEAKER_04 (56:32):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (56:33):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (56:33):
Yes, he was in the first one.
Do you remember him from ALeague of Their Own?

SPEAKER_02 (56:39):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (56:40):
He's a real bit part, but actually was perfect
casting.
He is the adult.
I think the kid's still well.

SPEAKER_02 (56:48):
The adult version of the of the kid that they
brought.

SPEAKER_04 (56:50):
Oh, my God.
That's awesome.
So perfect, perfect casting forthat.
He was in My Life, Little Giantsand The Adventures of Rocky and
Bullwinkle.

SPEAKER_02 (57:01):
And this show just keeps coming up.
He was in one episode ofSledgehammer.

SPEAKER_04 (57:06):
You

SPEAKER_02 (57:07):
do keep bringing it up.
I'm not bringing it up.
It's just there.
All

SPEAKER_04 (57:12):
right.
Film synopsis.
An ordinary high school studentdiscovers that his family has an
unusual pedigree.
That's

SPEAKER_02 (57:20):
it.
Oh, I get it.
Yes.
Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_04 (57:23):
Yeah, that works.

SPEAKER_02 (57:25):
I mean.
What are you going to do?
It's a movie about a kid in highschool turning into a werewolf.
There you go.
That's a better synopsis.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (57:33):
I mean, I don't know why they're being so coy about
it.

SPEAKER_02 (57:36):
Yeah, it's in the name.
We know.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_04 (57:38):
exactly.
Maybe that's why.
Maybe they're like, well, it'salready the title.
Yeah.
This is a film that...
I don't know if it was, like, oncable a ton when I was a kid.
This is just strangely one ofthose 80s movies that I just
remember seeing a million timeswhen I was a kid.

SPEAKER_02 (57:55):
Yeah.
No, same.
It's carried through.
Like, it's always on now.
Yes.
I'm not even looking for it.
Right.
It's just, like, constantly on,like, any number of channels
that if we're just, like,scrolling through cable and not
using a streaming service, it'slike, oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (58:12):
Yes.
No, same.
And so...
i don't know how i would feelabout it if maybe i had only
seen it for the first time fiveyears ago but that's not the
case i grew up with this filmyeah and so it does carry like a
ton of nostalgia for me umprobably doesn't hurt that i do

(58:32):
absolutely adore that song whenin the end by mark saffin i

SPEAKER_02 (58:36):
never noticed the like it's

SPEAKER_04 (58:38):
so fucking good

SPEAKER_02 (58:39):
the weird stop animation that they do yeah
that's weird at the end yeah

SPEAKER_04 (58:43):
but that song there's a banger And I'm saying
that it's just as good as Eye ofthe Tiger.
It gets you pumped up.
There are a handful of 80s filmswhere I'm like, okay.
The film's good for differentreasons, but there's always one
song.
I do love the song, TheNeverEnding Story.

(59:04):
Love, love, love, love thatsong.

SPEAKER_02 (59:07):
It's a good song.

SPEAKER_04 (59:08):
I know everybody jokes about it, but the actual
song that comes from thatsaxophone moment in The Lost
Boys.

SPEAKER_02 (59:18):
Oh, yeah.
I still believe.

SPEAKER_04 (59:19):
I still believe.
That is a fucking amazing song.

SPEAKER_02 (59:22):
You're the best around from Karate Kid?
That

SPEAKER_04 (59:25):
one, I mean, that's not one that I'm going to- I'm
not going to put that one on.
Come on.
But, like, some films, and thisis one of them, just out of
nowhere, they have theseincredible songs.

SPEAKER_02 (59:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (59:37):
And I love that song

SPEAKER_02 (59:39):
so much.
That Kumite song fromBloodsport?
No.
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (59:43):
But, anyway, so that probably helps, like, solidify
it for me as a film that Ireally love.
But, yeah, it's...
And, like, look, spoiler, youknow, he and Boof do end up in
the end...
He wins.
Here's the thing, though, aboutthat final basketball game.
In what world would he not justbe suited up and ready to go at

(01:00:05):
the outset of the game?
He walks in when the game'salready in session.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:11):
Yeah.
The basketball depicted in thismovie did not always make sense.
No.
There were a lot of scenes wherehe, as the wolf, was...
like kind of getting ready tojump towards the basket.
And then it would cut to himdoing completely different move.
And I would try to like figureout in my mind, like, wait, how

(01:00:33):
could he have, I don't, Hmm.
So they're like, I just, thebasketball in this is like cars
in the blues brothers.
It just doesn't, it doesn't makeany sense.
We just kind of enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:47):
And that was one thing that I was like, ah, I
don't think he would just likewalk out in the middle of the
game and Because it's also like,okay, if the expectation was
that he was going to play thisgame as a wolf,

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:59):
everybody would be like, where is he?
They were going to start him asthe wolf, and then he would
finish.
But then instead, they had himcome in when they had him come
in and just play his whole partas Scott the human.
But that's

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:13):
my point, is that no player would just walk into the
game midway through the game.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:19):
It doesn't seem like it's something that would happen
very often.
I don't know what the highschool basketball rules in
Nebraska were at that time.
And

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:30):
then when Mick is just staring him down, that
would

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:34):
not happen.
That was really annoying.
I didn't understand.
Was he shooting a technical?
Was he just shooting free throwsfrom a foul?

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:41):
He got two shots.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:42):
Yeah.
Normally the guys would be linedup.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:45):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:45):
Had time just expired and I didn't realize it?

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:49):
No, time did expire.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:50):
But I still think that there would be rules around
where the opposing player shouldstand.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:55):
I don't think they would have allowed Mick to just
like mean bug him from the endof the...
Exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:01):
And then also, they're so drenched

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:05):
in sweat.
It is

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:07):
wild.
Like literally dripping.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:09):
Pouring.
Pouring off their faces.
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:14):
But that is the climax of the film, of this
championship game.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:20):
It's a free throw.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:20):
It's a free throw.
And he wins it as the humanScott, not the werewolf Scott.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:27):
Because it turns out the power was within him.
The whole time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:32):
The whole time.
And his teammates.
His teammates also reallystepped it up in that final
game.
A little shout out.
I didn't even like because hehas no lines and you only ever
see him in the background.
But like one of the otherbasketball players on Scott's
team is a character that's alsoin Camp I Me Love.
Oh.
So it's kind of just funny tosee that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:49):
Apparently there's someone in the background in the
stands towards the end that itlooks like there are flies
unzipped.
And this created a rumor thatsomeone like exposed themselves,
which immediately made me thinkof Grease 2.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:01):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:02):
But no, it was a woman who was in the stands, an
extra, and whatever she wasgiven to wear or whatever she
had to wear was too tight, soshe had unbuttoned.
Oh, my God.
Really?
Yeah.
So that's why.
That's so

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:16):
interesting that they gave the extras wardrobe.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:18):
Well, maybe she just made a bad choice with her own
clothes selection that day.
I don't know.
But no one exposed themselves.
There

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:24):
might be guidelines for background actors in terms
of what they want them to wear,but I don't think usually
wardrobe's provided.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:30):
Wear pants that are too tight.
so you have to unbutton them andcreate a controversy.
That's so

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:33):
funny.
Apparently, all those extraswere super stoked to be there,
and they just showed up everyday.
They didn't have to worry abouthaving enough extras.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:42):
They were very, very enthusiastic for what seemed
like pretty low-quality highschool basketball.
Oh,

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:47):
and another thing that I had forgotten about is
apparently part of whatjump-started this film into
production was the fact thatValley Girl, the film we just
did, had performed so well, sothe studio wanted another really
cheap teen film.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:01):
Hey, we just had pretty good success with this
Valley Girl movie.
What's that about?
About this guy and this ValleyGirl.
How about we have a werewolfmovie?
We

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:11):
can call it Teen Wolf.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:12):
Yeah, sure.
Just the same.
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:16):
So all that aside, I mean, I love this movie.
It's

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:22):
like stupidness and all.
Yeah, I know.
I'm sure it benefits greatlyfrom...
Michael J.
Fox being in it, from the greatperformance from his dad in the
movie.
It's such a ridiculous concept.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:05):
scenes well it's like he's obviously a werewolf

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:09):
that beginning clip where he's getting the keg of
beer he has a there's a voiceright there that you never hear
again

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:16):
ever

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:16):
like it's so dark it is it is amazing i wish i wish
he sounded like that the wholerest of the movie

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:23):
i guess that that first scene when he is playing
basketball where he likeEverybody else becomes aware
because he goes through a fulltransformation.
They all pile on him.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:34):
You do hear like a growling.
Yeah.
And then he appears.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:39):
You know who did the growls?
The director.
All of them.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:43):
He did really

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:44):
good.
He did.
Great job.
Good growls.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:46):
Good growls.
So I think we both are alreadyin agreement and have answered
the question of would I watchthis film again?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:54):
I'm going to say yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:56):
I'm sure we'll watch it a million times more.
No,

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:59):
I want to watch part two, just see how bad it is.
I

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:02):
don't know.
I mean, Call to Action,actually, I mean, that's so hard
when you switch out the mainactor.
Like, that's a tough one.
That's not just like a sidecharacter.
That's like the character.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:14):
The title character.
Yeah.
You've swapped out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:19):
Teen Wolf also.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:20):
I'd be curious to know if other people have seen
the Jason Bateman sequel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:25):
People have seen it.
I'm sure.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:27):
Somebody has.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:28):
But I'd like to know if there's something that I'm
disregarding without reallyhaving seen it.
So is there worth something tosee?
Is

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:37):
Bateman werewolf teen movie, is it worth
watching?

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:41):
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SPEAKER_02 (01:06:57):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:59):
What do you think I'm going to say next?
I'm

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:03):
not sure.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:05):
We are finally at.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:08):
Are we starting the Halloween

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:10):
series?
My favorite time of the year.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:13):
I mean, we're recording this on August 9th.
So, yeah, we've already started.
We've already started preparingfor Halloween.
This

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:18):
is the soft launch.
Yeah.
It's not a horror film.
No.
Teen Wolf, that is.
It's not.
But it's a nice little segueinto our Halloween series.
But I am leaving it at thatbecause although you were saying
earlier in the episode thatwe've solidified all like our
final five picks, I don't knowif that's quite true.
Oh?
So

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:38):
we're

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:39):
going to leave it a little bit mysterious.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:42):
We're going to regroup offline.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:44):
Yeah.
And I mean, I think probably,but I'd like to just, you know,
one last time.
over because every year we onlyget about five movies

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:54):
yeah

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:54):
so we gotta make sure they're all good ones

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:57):
so get ready for the next episode which will involve
untitled halloween movie

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:01):
horror yeah titled horror film

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:03):
yeah

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