Working Girl

In this episode, Anna and Derek discuss whether rom needed to be part of this com, if Cyn was actually a good friend to Tess or not, and much more during their chat of Mike Nichols' Oscar-lauded flick Working Girl (1988).

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Anna Keizer and Derek Dehanke are the co-hosts of ‘80s Movie Montage. The idea for the podcast came when they realized just how much they talk – a lot – when watching films from their favorite cinematic era. Their wedding theme was “a light nod to the ‘80s,” so there’s that, too. Both hail from the Midwest but have called Los Angeles home for several years now. Anna is a writer who received her B.A. in Film/Video from Columbia College Chicago and M.A. in Film Studies from Chapman University. Her dark comedy short She Had It Coming was an Official Selection of 25 film festivals with several awards won for it among them. Derek is an attorney who also likes movies. It is a point of pride that most of their podcast episodes are longer than the movies they cover.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Do I look like I don't belong here?

(00:10):
No.
No, no.
I'm sure you're a real ace atwhatever it is that you do do.
Damn straight.
But how you look.
I have a head for business and abod for sin.
Hello

SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.
This is Derek.

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And this is Anna.

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And that was Melanie Griffith as Tess McGill just
having a few drinks and Valiumalong with Harrison Ford as Jack
Traynor in 1988's Working Girl.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Working Girl.

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Yeah.
So is there anything wrong withthat?
I guess not.
It's a weird thing for her tosay.
It

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was an interesting thing for her to say.
It was

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quite provocative.

UNKNOWN (00:58):
Yeah.

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Especially because, I mean, look, it's a great line.

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Yeah.

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But considering what has presumably been her goal
throughout the film to be takenseriously.
She

SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
pivoted hard from that.
What Harrison Ford does to amotherfucker, you know?
It's like...

SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
Yeah, the number of times where people are like, oh
my God, he's so gorgeous.
Like, look, Harrison Ford is ahandsome man, but it was just
kind of a funny thing in themovie, too, that everybody kept
remarking on how good looking heis.

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Constantly.
The scene

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where

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he's like changing shirts in his office.

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Very funny.

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As people do.
Yeah.
He

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just had

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like a clean shirt in one of his desk drawers to
pull out.

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He did a Clark Gable.

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Oh, is that what that was?

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Well, meaning he had no undershirt.

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Yeah, he never, never, no undershirts.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
That was a whole thing, right?
We talked about that.
We

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did, yeah.

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How Clark Gable started a whole trend of no
undershirts.
And it

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decimated the

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undershirt industry.
It did.
It did.
It absolutely did.
But in any case, this is WorkingGirl, not It Happened One Night.

SPEAKER_02 (02:03):
Hello and welcome to 80s Movie Montage.

SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
30s Movie Montage.
So Working Girl, this was yourfirst viewing.

SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
It was.
Yeah.

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Do you want to talk about now how you felt or later
how you felt?

SPEAKER_02 (02:20):
Oh, we can talk.
We can talk throughout.
I just...
I thought it started like...
When the movie started, I kindof felt like I had started
watching it halfway through.
Because it like...

SPEAKER_01 (02:31):
You mentioned pacing.
The

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pacing was interesting.
But overall, it was like once itgot into like the real story.

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Yeah.

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Which is like the whole thing with the corporate
espionage with her and SigourneyWeaver.

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Yeah.

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It was good.
I liked it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
Yeah.
I...
I mentioned at the tail end ofthe last episode when we
announced this one that it hadbeen a very, very long time
since I had watched this movie.
And I honestly couldn't rememberhaving very strong positive
feelings about the movie.
And now coming away from it,watching it for the show, I
think they did some thingsreally well and in some ways

(03:08):
very, would you say apropos?
Yeah.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
Trying to be men.
I don't know.

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It was very...
I know what you're saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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But that kind of goes along with it, too.
Just to try to succeed in thatkind of corporate environment,
particularly back then, therewas...
You had to act and look acertain way.
And that was all based on tryingto be as masculine, like the
masculine traits, both in termsof how you acted and how you

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dressed.

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The movie is very...
It's

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like a weird fetishization love letter of 80s
corporate culture, if

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it was good.
But it was made in the time, soit's interesting to see that
snapshot.

SPEAKER_02 (04:22):
Well, at the very end, when it just zooms out of
her...
And all you see are like allthese other people in offices
and these big office buildings.
I think I mentioned like if thatwas the ending of a movie today,
it would be like some darkdystopian, like what a really
sad ending.
But it was super positive.

SPEAKER_01 (04:41):
Well, it was funny because like even when they were
when they had that end zoom out,I was like, I think her office
is a little depressing still.
But it was like the super

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uplifting

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music.
And it's

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like she won.

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Yeah, we'll get to the music in a minute.
But yeah, let's dive in.
Let's get to work.
So this actually was anOscar-winning film and also
additional multiple nominations.
Okay.
So six nominations total,including Best Picture.

SPEAKER_02 (05:14):
Okay.
Okay.
All right.

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
Now, I'm normally the person that advocates for
films that would never benominated nowadays.
The one that I bring up all thetime is Tootsie.
Yeah.
And how much I love the factthat at the time it was viewed
in a way that it was Oscarworthy, I guess you would say.
I don't know if it got its nombased on the strength of the

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fact that it's directed by MikeNichols.
I mean, look, it has a lot ofpositives to it.
I thought it was interesting,did not realize that it was the
Best Picture nominee.
So we'll go through the othernominations, but...
Let's start with the writing.
So the writer on this one isKevin Wade.
And I have almost all films forhim and pretty notable movies at

(06:02):
that.
So some of his other creditsinclude True Colors, Mr.
Baseball.

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With Tom Selleck?

SPEAKER_01 (06:10):
Yeah, I think so.
Junior, Meet Joe Black.
Did you ever see Meet Joe Black?

UNKNOWN (06:16):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (06:17):
I have not seen all that, but I know it's Brad Pitt
is like the sexiest iteration ofdeath ever.

SPEAKER_01 (06:22):
Did you say I didn't see all that?

SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
All of it.

SPEAKER_01 (06:25):
All of it.
Oh, okay.
But I

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may have said all that.
I didn't see all that.

SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
That's an interesting way.
Maybe I misheard you.
Yes, I do remember at the timethere was like a weird kind of
like, oh, Brad Pitt is death.
He's like sexy death.

SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Basically,

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yeah.
And then once the movie cameout, I mean, look, I think he
actually played it In a way thatmakes sense because he has like
literally

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no...
He's on vacation basically,right?
He's like death on...
He's like getting toexperience...

SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
It's like Lucifer before Lucifer where he comes to
Earth and wants to experiencelife as like a human.

SPEAKER_02 (07:07):
But it's Brad Pitt.
It's not Steve Buscemi.

SPEAKER_01 (07:10):
No, it's Brad Pitt.
But I think people at the timewere saying that like there's
like such a lack of kind ofemotional dimension.
But it's like, but that kind ofmakes sense, I think, if you're
thinking about who the characteractually is.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It does.
Anyway, made in Manhattan.
And then more recently, althoughI think it just wrapped up, Blue

(07:30):
Bloods.
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (07:32):
Yeah.
Another Tom Selleck thing.

SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
Yeah.
It is another Tom Selleck.
Okay.
So I just mentioned him a minuteago.
I also did not realize until Iwas doing my research for the
film that this was directed byMike Nichols.
Okay.
Outstanding director.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
much lauded for very good reasons.

SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Like Cindy Lauper?

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Didn't I say that right or did I say it wrong?

SPEAKER_02 (07:59):
I don't know.
How

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do you say lauded?
You're lauded.
L-A-U-D-E-D.
Yeah.
Lauded.
You're like celebrated.

SPEAKER_02 (08:05):
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't make fun.

SPEAKER_02 (08:07):
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (08:10):
So I think I say enough words wrong that like
when I think I said it right, Ifeel I should be lauded for
saying lauded correctly.
Anyway.
Please

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consider yourself so lauded.

SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
Mike Nichols, he...
There are a number of peoplebehind the scenes in this movie
who unfortunately have passedaway.
He passed in 2014.
And...
Wow, what a career this guy had.
One of the nominations for thisfilm was for him as Best
Director.
Okay.
And also, because it doesn't fitin with his other filmography, I

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thought it was interesting.
I'll get to his other directingnominations and very notable
win.
But he also had a Best Picture,so he produced on the film The
Remains of the Day.

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So

SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
you got to– there's nowhere else to put that in.
So I just wanted to bring upthat he had that nomination as
well.
But as far as his other creditsgo, there is a possibility that
we could talk about him in thefuture.
I don't know if any of thoseother films that are in the 80s
will be ones we want to likeimmediately– We've

SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
talked about one.
It's come up a few times now.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (09:23):
yeah, we have.
Yeah.
Yeah, there are a number offilms.
So, I mean, by the time he gotto this film, he was very
well-known, very, I'll say,celebrated.
His very first Best Directornomination, Who's Afraid of
Virginia Woolf?
Classic family comedy.
What a fucking film.
Jesus Christ, that movie.

(09:45):
It's not a comedy.
That movie is just like...
Rough from start to finish.
But excellent.
Excellent movie.
I mean, my God.
I do think that that isElizabeth Taylor.
Well, she's also really great inCat on a Haunted Roof.
But her and Burton, holy shit.
Like, they just, on and off thescreen.

SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
Fireworks.
The mayor of Amity was in that.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
Yeah.
So he gets a nomination forthat.
Then...
He really is a specialist inthese films that just make you
feel uncomfortable sometimes.
He gets his one and only win forThe Graduate.
Okay.
So have you seen The Graduate?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he gets that.
The film that you were referringto, so preceding this one, but

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also in the 80s, he gets anotherBest Director nomination for
Silkwood.

SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
Yeah, we're just going to have to cover that at
this point.
It's come up

SPEAKER_01 (10:40):
several times.
It's not the most depressingmovie.
It's just, it's a drama.

SPEAKER_02 (10:44):
That's Meryl Streep, right?
And Cher.
So in terms of like depressingMeryl Streep movies, it's...
It's

SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
almost a lighthearted comedy.
Yes, it is.
So he gets that.
Another Meryl Streep film,Heartburn.
So he must...
Must have had a nicecollaboration with Carly Simon
because she also– I'm actuallyreally surprised because the
Carly Simon song that I knowreally well is from Heartburn.

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And I kind of was like, oh, didshe not get even nominated for
that?
She didn't.
I

SPEAKER_02 (11:18):
just love the choice to name a film.
I'm assuming it has nothing atall to do with gastroesophageal
disease.
No.

SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
No, so...
There's no

SPEAKER_02 (11:27):
reflux involved?

SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
That was based off of almost, I think, the real
life of Nora Ephron.

SPEAKER_02 (11:32):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
Heartburn.

SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
And the acrimonious dissolution, is it?
That might be a word I'm notsaying right, of the end of her
marriage.
I think

SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
that's a real word.

SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
So that's what that's about.
And it's her and her husband, soto speak, are played by Meryl
Streep and Jack Nicholson.

SPEAKER_02 (11:50):
Well, if it's Jack Nicholson, then I know he's
probably...
He's

SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
the dick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the movie.
He's the cheater.

SPEAKER_02 (11:59):
No, not Nicholson.

SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
So he does that.
Biloxi Blues.
Another Meryl Streep film,Postcards from the Edge.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (12:08):
yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:09):
So he does that.
Regarding Henry.
So another Harrison Ford film.
Another Jack Nicholson.
So he definitely liked workingwith certain actors because
isn't Jack Nicholson weird?
Like he's essentially wolf andwolf.
Oh,

SPEAKER_02 (12:23):
he's the werewolf.
He's the werewolf,

SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
yeah.
He does The Birdcage, PrimaryColors, Closer, and Charlie
Wilson's War.

SPEAKER_02 (12:32):
Which Charlie Wilson's War takes on like a lot
more significance if you watchit now, knowing what we know
now.
I will say that much.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
I don't know that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:43):
Heard of it, don't know it.

SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
I mean, it's, yeah.
Just look it up.
Okay.
Educate yourself.

SPEAKER_01 (12:49):
Educate yourself.
All right.
Moving on to cinematography,Michael Ballhaus.
So he also has passed, passed in2017.
He, frankly, it's shocking thathe never won an Oscar.
He was nominated multiple times,but it's actually really– and

(13:11):
again, I– oscillate in terms oflike caring about the oscars and
not caring about the oscars butif the oscars are supposed to be
representative of the best ofthe best it's like fucking
ridiculous that he didn'tactually win

SPEAKER_02 (13:23):
is it though yeah is that no no not is it is that
what they're supposed to beabout

SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
oh that's a good question that's how i view them
that's how i think they viewthemselves

SPEAKER_02 (13:36):
perhaps yeah i think i think that should be

SPEAKER_01 (13:38):
yeah

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But

SPEAKER_01 (13:40):
it just makes me sad.
Look, people know he was anamazing cinematographer.
And I'm about to go through allof his credits, which prove that
out.
So he was German.
He started in Germanentertainment.
Some of his early work, whichhonestly, we will.
This isn't even the first timewe've brought him up, but it has
been a minute.
And it almost certainly won't bethe last time.

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I'm just not sure how quicklywe'll get back to him.
But some of his earlier creditsinclude The Marriage of Maria
Braun.
after hours so that's one wecould do we could also do color
of money oh yeah i actuallywould like to do that at some
point

SPEAKER_02 (14:15):
we can't do the hustler and the hustler is a
crushingly depressing moviesurprising i don't know if
people realize just how like howdepressing that movie is color
of money same character in termsof like eddie but um yeah i'd
i'd for sure do that one

SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
yeah I think that's a cool like I I like when they
do those like interestingcasting choices you know to have
Paul Newman with Tom Cruise andjust to see like an older
generation of actor with like atthe time yeah a very
up-and-coming actor so so thetime that we covered him was for
broadcast news which we did withJennifer so he gets his first

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Oscar nomination for that filmdefinitely go check out that
conversation Jennifer is such aI'm a huge fan of that film.
I mean, it's an amazing movie.
So did that, I think, this isseason six.
I think we did season four.

SPEAKER_02 (15:11):
This is what now?
This is season six?

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Yeah.
You didn't know that?
So, okay.
He then goes on to have alongstanding collaborative
relationship with MartinScorsese.
Okay.
So he is the DP on The LastTemptation of Christ.
Not everything is Scorsese, butthat's a notable one.

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He does Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
We should do

SPEAKER_02 (15:38):
that

SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
one.
Sure.
Yeah.
He gets his next cinematographynomination for The Fabulous
Baker Boys.
He does another Scorsese.
They do Goodfellas together.
He also shoots Postcards fromthe Edge.
Okay.
He does What About Bob.
So here's what's reallyinteresting about...
I don't have like a screenshotto prove this out, but I'm

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almost positive that in IMDb, itused to be officially called
Bram Stoker's Dracula.
And now it's just Dracula.

SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
It very much was Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
I clocked that.
I was like, that's weird.
Anyway, he does anotherScorsese, The Age of Innocence,
Quiz Show, Outbreak, Air ForceOne, Harrison Ford.
He also shoots Primary Colors.
He does The Legend of BaggerVance.
His last cinematographynomination was for Gangs of New
York.

SPEAKER_02 (16:30):
That is probably my favorite of, like, the Scorsese
movies.

SPEAKER_01 (16:35):
Same.

SPEAKER_02 (16:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
I think so, too.
It is

SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
an amazing movie.

SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
It is an amazing film.
I mean...
It's a little long.
Jesus Christ.
Too many

SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
notes?

SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Well, that's what he...

SPEAKER_02 (16:44):
Too late, but...
That's

SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
what he's known for.
I mean...
Not to sound so just like sillyabout it, but I probably could
watch Daniel Day-Lewis watchingPaint Dry and be like completely
captivated.
He is so astounding in thatmovie.
The Butcher, basically, yeah.
Bill the Butcher.
Yeah.

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It is– it's just incredible towatch him.
He shot Something's Gotta Give.
So here's what's hilarious tome.
Two of his final credits– Hedoes Something's Gotta Give and
The Departed, both starring JackNicholson in two wildly

(17:25):
contrasting roles.
They're very

SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
different.
Very different

SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
characters.
I think it's so funny.
I don't know why.
I just thought that washilarious.
Okay, moving on to music.
So really interesting the waythat they credit music.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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I'm not a music person, but Iguess I'd say maybe different
arrangements of it, is CarlySimon's song, Let the River Run.
That was the one Oscar win forthis movie.
Okay.
So she wins Best Original Song.
She is credited as music forthis movie.
However, Rob Muncy...

(18:19):
it does credit him as composedby...

SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
Music scorer.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
I'm sorry.
Music scorer, I should say.
So, like, I presume that meansthat, like, so she was
responsible for that main songthat was heard in different ways
throughout the film, and then hedid whatever kind of
supplementary music that wasneeded for the movie.
Okay.
So Carly Simon, I mean, I thinkmost people know her as, like, a
popular music artist.

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So as far as, like...
movie credits there are some imentioned heartburn so she has
another really i'm not going tosing it but i do really love
that song that she does forheartburn she also uh works on
postcards from the edge soanother meryl streep film and
this is my life so those aresome of her credits and then
muncie some of his credits ipulled out credits that are i

(19:10):
mean i don't know it's a littlebit of a mishmash he was the
music arranger for the warriorsamazing He was the theme music
composer.
I don't know this series, whichis kind of crazy.
A series called Texas?

SPEAKER_02 (19:26):
I'm not familiar with that series.

SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
But he's credited for 324 episodes of the show.

SPEAKER_02 (19:33):
What?

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So I'm not sure how that

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was on a radar.
Who's in it?

SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
I don't even know.
And then he was an additionalmusic composer for Bright
Lights, Big City.
Okay.
Okay, so moving on to filmediting, Sam Osteen.
So he also has passed away,passed away in 2000.
Also, multiple Oscarnominations.
When you hear what the filmsare, it's also kind of insane

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that in addition to the onesthat he specifically got
nominations for, the fact thathe never won is a little sus.
So he gets his first nominationfor Who's Afraid of Virginia
Woolf.

SPEAKER_02 (20:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
So he was also a frequent collaborator with
Nichols.
He cuts Cool Hand Luke.
Okay, cool.
He cuts The Graduate, didn'teven get a nomination for that.
He cuts Rosemary's Baby.
He gets– so I guess he had a bitof a collaboration with– I'm

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forgetting his name, but I couldalso just say Who Shall Not Be
Named because– Voldemort?
No, the guy– Rosemary's Baby,and then he also gets a
nomination for Chinatown.

SPEAKER_02 (20:42):
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (20:43):
okay.
So what's his name?
I don't even want to give timeto this guy.
Well, what's...
Okay.
The director who's been inFrance because...
Oh, Polanski?
Thank you.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's what I thought.
I'm like...
Totally blanking on the name.
So he does those.
He does...
I know you love this movie.
Backslash S.

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Yeah.

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Amityville 2 colon The Possession.
I

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mean, I don't have the same...
Oh, yeah, that's what I'mthinking.

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At

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times.
Even the first one.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.
And then Amityville.
All the other ones.
Because they were trying to do3D.
3D,

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yeah.

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That one is just ridiculous.
They're all

SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
pretty bad.
Although there's one that Iwould rank above all of the
others, primarily because ofthis one detective's performance
was so fucking good.

SPEAKER_01 (21:59):
Yes.
It blew me away.

SPEAKER_02 (22:00):
I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Loved it.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (22:02):
I'm not joking.

SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
And I agree with you.
Yeah.
And if you want to know moreabout that amazing person who
did that amazing performance, gocheck out our episodes, Back to
the Future, Grease 2, and Backto the Future 2, because, oh,
and Prancer.

SPEAKER_02 (22:20):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
Because he is on all of them, Mr.
Casey Campbell.
That's right.
All right.
So moving on, he also gets anomination for Silkwood.

SPEAKER_02 (22:30):
We're just going to have to fucking cover that
movie.

SPEAKER_01 (22:32):
God damn it.
He Does Heartburn.
So very frequent collaboratorwith Nichols.
Bloxy Blues, Postcards from theEdge, Regarding Henry, Wolf, and
Night Falls on Manhattan.
Okay.
Okay.
We are at the stars of the film.
So I did a little rearranging ofthe way that they credit
everybody here.

SPEAKER_02 (22:52):
They were just like the studio just went full
studio.
And they were like, well, wecan't.
even though Melanie Griffith isthe main character, she is the
protagonist of this film, we'rejust not sure if people know her
well enough.
So let's have Harrison Ford andSigourney Weaver to lead the top

(23:12):
billing for this.

SPEAKER_01 (23:13):
It's like, okay, I get it, but come on.
You're absolutely right.
She is the lead.
She gets a Best Actressnomination for this film.

SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
It's also why Alec Baldwin played Mick instead of
Jack Traynor, who theyoriginally...
thought was going to be in thatrole,

SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
but

SPEAKER_02 (23:30):
Harrison Ford was more of a known, popular
commodity, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Interesting.
And so they had to go

SPEAKER_02 (23:37):
back to Baldwin and ask him, like, hey...

SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
Will you take a small role?

SPEAKER_02 (23:41):
And he apparently was very gracious about it and
super cool with it, so...
I

SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
might be saying something controversial.
I think Alec Baldwin would havebeen better in that role.

SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
As Jack Traynor?

SPEAKER_01 (23:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (23:56):
Well...
I don't know what the timelineis between this and like Glenn
Gary, Glenn Ross, but there waslike a moment with Alec Baldwin
where I'm like, holy shit, he'slike going right into that mode.

SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
Because he...
Look, I love Harrison Ford.
I have always thought that whileI love each individual actor,
especially Ford and Weaver, thecasting felt not completely
gelled to me.
Yeah.
And again, I've said this amillion times.

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What the hell do I know?
Because I got a Best Pitchernomination.
And so I don't know.
But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (24:33):
I'll say I could totally see Alec Baldwin as a
Jack trainer.
And I think Baldwin would havebeen more intense with some of
the business

SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
parts

SPEAKER_02 (24:44):
of the role.

SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:46):
And...

SPEAKER_01 (24:46):
I think there would have been more chemistry, to be
quite honest.
But I don't think

SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Harrison Ford would have been a good Mick Duggan.
No, he would just not be part ofthe film.
Yeah, he would have been gone.

SPEAKER_01 (24:56):
Yeah, he just would have been gone.
I think Harrison Ford can be areally great comedic actor, but
he's– the way that they play thecomedy for this character in
this film– I'm not sure if ithit all the time for me.
Yeah.
But in any case, let's talkabout Melanie Griffith a little

(25:18):
bit.
So she is Tess McGill.
I'm going to call her out firstbecause she's the star of this
movie.
She is.
And we have not covered herbefore.
This is, I think, the firsttime.
Maybe not the only time, but itprobably will be a minute before
we would.
Is she

SPEAKER_02 (25:34):
in Silkwood?
No.

SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
Okay.
But I think it'll be a minutebefore we come back to her.
Okay.
So Griffith, she, now at onepoint it was really interesting
to me because you called out ahairstyle she had.

SPEAKER_02 (25:51):
Which one?
Oh, yeah.
The updo.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:54):
And when I saw that, I was like, hold on a second.
And I pulled up the fact thatlike, I think, I don't know if I
didn't even do any research tosee if there's anything about it
online.
I think that was a very subtlewink to her mother to be Hedren.

SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
Who is very well known for having the same kind
of upswept do.

SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
When you showed me that picture, it seems like
that's

SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
the case.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, Tippi Hedren, thebirds, that is Melanie
Griffith's mother.
And, you know, so Nepo babywe're talking about here.
But she's great.
She's great in this film.
Some of her other credits, Imean, I have...
almost all films for her.

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So much earlier in her career.
This definitely, not only wasthis like a breakout in terms of
she got a Best Actressnomination, this I think was a
film that got people to see herin a different light.
They still kind of lean on whatI think she was known for, which
is like, look, tremendousphysique.
And the films that she didprior, like Night Moves and Body

(27:04):
Double, lean into that in termsof her appearance.
And, you know, I felt like itjust was on the cusp of
gratuitous the number of timeswe saw her in her underwear in
this movie.
I think

SPEAKER_02 (27:17):
for an 80s movie, I'll give them credit for
reigning themselves in a littlebit.

SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
I mean, I get it.
That is part of her character.
People don't take her seriouslybecause she's gorgeous.
And she also, you know...
doesn't necessarily come fromthe privileged background that
somebody like Sigourney Weaver,even though she's also a woman,
is looked at as a certain waybecause she has, like, that...

SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
Pedigree.

SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
Yes, exactly.
Thank you.
That was the word I was tryingto come up with.
So I get it.
That is part of who thischaracter is.

SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
They definitely made a point of her taking the ferry
to get over every time just toshow that she was on...
The wrong side of.
Cracked.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:03):
Yeah.
So some of our other credits, Iwould actually really like to do
something wild at some point.
I've never seen it, but I'veheard so much about it.
Is that a movie

SPEAKER_02 (28:11):
title?

SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
It's her and, oh my goodness, from Dumb and Dumber.
Jeff, no, Jeff, Jeff Daniels.
Jeff

SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
Daniels, Jeff Daniels Goldblum.

SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
Yeah, so I would love to do that at some point.
She is in the Milagro-BeanfieldWar.
The Bonfire or the Vanities, Ilistened to an excellent podcast
about just what a disaster thatmovie was.
Born Yesterday, I think she alsogot a lot of– I think Born
Yesterday and Nobody's Fool, shegot some– notoriety from for

(28:44):
just doing really well in thoseroles.
She's in Now and Then,Mulholland Falls, Celebrity,
Crazy in Alabama, Cecil B.
Demented.
The one TV project I have forher is a TV series called Twins,
and she also was in The DisasterArtist.

SPEAKER_02 (29:01):
The Disaster Artist?
What is that?

SPEAKER_01 (29:03):
Isn't that...
What's his name?
Tommy?
The guy who did...
Yeah, right?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
So, I...
I haven't seen her in anythinglately, but yeah, she's had a
really long career as primarilya film actress and some really
good roles.

SPEAKER_02 (29:22):
I mean, the fact that she was nominated, right,
for Best Actress, to get thatnomination, and I thought it was
a good performance, knowing thatshe was going through as many
challenges as she was during thefilming of this movie with
addiction.
Mm-hmm.
That's impressive, but like alsokind of like really sad.

(29:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:46):
Yeah.
I mean, you were telling me offthe record, I guess, about what
was happening behind the scenes.
That's frustrating to hearbecause it's like, oh, my God,
you're working with Mike Nicholsand all these other amazing
creatives and.

SPEAKER_02 (30:03):
Yeah, they got to a point where they had to fine or
deduct from her pay amounts forloss of production and hired a
nurse to stay on hand to testher sobriety.
So it got pretty

SPEAKER_01 (30:15):
intense.
I mean, I guess the argumentthat could be made is like,
well, that is what addictionencompasses.
Yeah.
they're human beings who dealwith real problems.
And I do vaguely remember, it'sbeen probably already a couple
of years since I listened tothat podcast about Bonfire of
the Vanities.
So it was an addiction that shewas dealing with.

(30:35):
But at that point, if I remembercorrectly, already they were
claiming that she had like agedout of being sexy anymore.
And I think she had had a baby.
And so probably Dakota Johnson.
And so I know that that at thattime was the struggle for her
getting that role because ofthat.
It's just, It's all suchbullshit, especially with like

(30:57):
the aging out and you're too oldto be.
Yeah.
Like in the movie when they'reboth her and Sigourney Weaver
are both like, oh, I'm turning30.
I'm like, you're both 29 rightnow.
Okay.
All right.
So Harrison Ford.
He is, like you mentioned, JackTraynor.
So he, a little bit of a lovetriangle going on with Harrison

(31:17):
Ford.
Or even like, I don't know howmany angles you can pop in there
because every single woman is inlove with this

SPEAKER_02 (31:23):
guy.
I mean, if it's a love triangle,it's not equilateral.
No.
I'm going to say that there'smore of this triangle for Tess.

SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:32):
I would agree with you.
So, oh my gosh.
I mean, we have talked aboutHarrison Ford.
I'm trying to think of the lasttime we brought him up, though.
Probably The Empire StrikesBack?
Possibly Blade Runner?
Oh, yeah.
Blade Runner.
That's the one.
So...
You can go back to a coupleepisodes that we've covered with

(31:54):
him.
We encourage you to do so.
I mean, at this point, therestill are movies we could cover
with him that are still from the80s.

SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:01):
But we have done Empire Strikes Back, Blade
Runner, and even Raiders.
We've done Last Crusade.
I mean, my goodness, we havebrought him up a lot, huh?

SPEAKER_02 (32:13):
Yeah.
One of these days we'll coverWitness.
We will.
Just so we can see thathorrifying scene of the guy
getting killed in a silo.
Geez.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Well, I thought you were going to say that because
that's his one and only Oscarnomination so far.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh.
So he did get a Best Actor nomfor that.
But let's do a quick runthrough.
I mean, up until very, veryrecently, he was strictly like a
film actor.
Yeah.

(32:42):
And my goodness, the number ofamazing films that he has been a
part of, he is going to be, Ithink, forever stamped as, like,
one of the greatest actors ofall time just because of, like,
you know, we're not talking,like, Citizen Kane type stuff,
but, like, the films that staywith people, the films that,

(33:02):
like, mold people's childhoodsand, like, what they love about
cinema, he's part of so much ofthat.
So...
Very early in his career,American Graffiti.
He is in The Conversation.
And then here we go.
So, of course, Star Wars EpisodeIV, A New Hope, is what first

(33:24):
cements him in movie history asHan Solo.
He does a bit part in ApocalypseNow.
He does both, obviously...
Well, I mean, he's part of somany of the films.
Empire Strikes Back, Return ofthe Jedi.
I'll get to the later films in asecond.
And then he...
cements his second iconiccharacter, Indiana Jones, with

(33:45):
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
He does Blade Runner.
We already mentioned he gets hisone and only Oscar nom for
Witness.
He does a series of very seriousfilms.
I probably misspoke when I waslike, it's not Citizen Kane.
He has done films that I thinkpeople would feel are part of
kind of that sphere of cinema.

(34:08):
He does Mosquito Coast, PresumedInnocent, Patriot Games, The
Fugitive.
Love that movie.
Clear and Present Danger,Sabrina.
Eh, they didn't have to remakethat one.
Air Force One, Six Days, SevenNights, What Lies Beneath.
He comes back to Indiana Jonesin Indiana Jones and the Kingdom

(34:28):
of the Crystal Skull.
We got a more Indiana Jonescoming up in the future that
I'll get to in a second.
He does Ender's Game and thenStar Wars comes back.
So he is in The Force Awakens aswell as The Rise of Skywalker.
Blade Runner comes back.
All these films coming back.

(34:48):
So he does Blade Runner 2049.
He does Call of the Wild.
And then he...
I presumably starts doingtelevision.
I'm not fully aware of likeanything else he had really done
prior.
So he's part of the TaylorSheridan world, an offshoot of

(35:09):
Yellowstone.
He does 1923.
And then we started watching.
We need to catch up with itbecause we're a little bit
behind.
He's on the show Shrinking.

SPEAKER_02 (35:17):
Yeah, he was really good in that.

SPEAKER_01 (35:18):
Yeah.
So he does that.
And then again, he does IndianaJones and the Dial of Destiny.
We have

SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
not seen that.

SPEAKER_01 (35:27):
No, I know.
We need to.
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:31):
And then more recently, he's Red Hulk.

SPEAKER_02 (35:34):
He is President Thaddeus Ross, formerly General
Thaddeus Ross, who had beenplayed by, I think, William
Hurt.

SPEAKER_01 (35:42):
I love the name Thaddeus.

SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
In like the Ed Norton.

SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:46):
In the older Hulk movies.
So same character, differentactor.
And

SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
he's Red Hulk, right?

SPEAKER_02 (35:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:53):
Yeah.
Okay.
In Captain America Brave NewWorld.

SPEAKER_02 (35:56):
Yes.
No spoilers, but you might bewondering, how does one become a
Red Hulk?
They explain it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:02):
Okay.
Yeah.
Moving on to Sigourney Weaver.
So she is Catherine Parker.
She is Tessa's boss, who...
They're very subtle about it.
It's like, did she know?
Did she not know?
Did she try to steal the idea?
But I think...
It

SPEAKER_02 (36:21):
was so weird because...
Tess is at Catherine's home, andshe finds a record of her...
Once she's playing some voicememo dictation...
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
like she's

SPEAKER_02 (36:34):
giving notes to

SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
herself.

SPEAKER_02 (36:35):
Yeah, and she finds that, and she finds a file that
suggests that Tess's idea forthis business acquisition, for a
media acquisition, was gettingstolen by Sigourney Weaver's
character.
And then at the end...
I'm like, is Sigourney Weaversome mastermind evil genius?
Did she know that Tess was goingto find this and set everything

(37:01):
up?
Because the way that hercharacter comes back from her
skiing trip after breaking aleg, I guess it was supposed to
be the impact of the pain meds,but it was like a different
character.

SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
She comes back in a very markedly different way.

SPEAKER_02 (37:17):
So I wasn't sure.
I thought that maybe this wasjust like...
a brilliant masterstroke bySigourney Weaver.
Turns out it was not.

SPEAKER_01 (37:25):
Well, yeah, because she has this whole weird
conversation with her.
Yeah.
Where she's like saying, like,if you had listened to the
recording, I would hope that youwould have come to me.
I think she was just

SPEAKER_02 (37:38):
trying to cover her ass.

SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
I think so.
I think that's what that was.

SPEAKER_02 (37:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
But it was a weird conversation because you can't
quite suss out Is she being onthe level or is she manipulating
her?

SPEAKER_02 (37:53):
At first, I thought that she knew that this was the
best way to get this deal donewas to set it up for Tess to get
everything rolling.
Right.
But no.
No, she was just saying all thisstuff to make Tess feel like she
wasn't getting her ideas

SPEAKER_01 (38:06):
ripped off.
Yes.
But it was an interesting wayof...
Anyway.
So Sigourney Weaver, she doesget a Best Supporting Actress
award.
nomination for this film

SPEAKER_02 (38:16):
sure she should get two she played two different
characters

SPEAKER_01 (38:20):
so um same as Harrison Ford I mean we have
well we haven't brought her upas much but it kind of in a way
feels like we have I don't knowwe brought her up for
Ghostbusters and we brought herup for Aliens yeah maybe that is
it as of

SPEAKER_02 (38:36):
now it might be yeah

SPEAKER_01 (38:38):
um I mean as far as other options was she

SPEAKER_02 (38:43):
in Silkwood no

SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
No, but Gorillas in the Mist is 80s, so we could
presumably do that.
I thought it was kind of funnythat she came back from her trip
and she did have a huge stuffedgorilla

SPEAKER_02 (38:52):
that

SPEAKER_01 (38:53):
she made Tuscary.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Maybe we'll do a Mosquito Coast Gorillas in the
Mist double feature.

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Double feature! So her very first film credit was
in Annie Hall, and I think it'sfun because her credit is LB's
Date Outside Theater.
Nice.
And then, of course, we know herbest, presumably, as Ellen
Ripley from the Alien franchise.
Yep.
So I say this every time.

(39:22):
It's such a shame that the firstfilm is 79.
We just missed the cutoff.

SPEAKER_02 (39:26):
We're going to start doing some—we're going to do
Alien— We're going to doPresumed Innocent.
We're going to find a way to dothese movies.

SPEAKER_01 (39:35):
No, we're not.

SPEAKER_02 (39:36):
We'll

SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
just talk about them.
I'm just going to...

SPEAKER_02 (39:40):
I'm going to create

SPEAKER_01 (39:40):
my own podcast.
Okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
It's going to be called Everything You Didn't Get
to Hear from 80s

SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
Movie Montage.
That can be our Patreon.
Just other movies.
So she gets her first Oscarnomination for Aliens.
I love that they nominated herfor Best Actress for that movie.
Yeah.
She does Alien 3, AlienResurrection, Alien Isolation,

(40:07):
which is a video game, but I putthis one in for you.
So

SPEAKER_02 (40:11):
good.
So good.

SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Because she's Ellen Ripley.
She's the voice of thatcharacter.

SPEAKER_02 (40:15):
Yeah.
You're basically playing herdaughter in that game.
Okay.
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (40:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (40:19):
So she is in the film The Year of Living
Dangerously.
So she also has had alongstanding involvement with
the Ghostbusters franchise.
So she's in, obviously, thefirst and second films.
She comes back as a differentcharacter, a very minor
character, in the 2016Ghostbusters.
And then she also– have we–wait.

(40:43):
What was the second?
What's the of the two newerGhostbusters?

SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
Afterlife.

SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
Afterlife is the one that we saw, right?
Yes.
Because she's in that.
But then what's the one thatjust we haven't seen that
either?

SPEAKER_02 (40:54):
Well, no, there's like the second of that.

SPEAKER_01 (40:59):
Yeah.
What's the subtitle?

SPEAKER_02 (41:02):
Fucking Ghostbusters, everything gets
icy or something.

SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
I don't know.
Yeah, it's Ice World.
I don't know.
She's not in that.
Ghostbusters, cooling down.
She is in the first one.
The first one that's JasonReitman.

SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:15):
So, okay.
As mentioned, she gets anothernomination for Girls in the
Mist.
Moving on, she is in 1492,Conquest of Paradise.
Dave, Death and the Maiden.
I know she got a lot of reallyhigh acclaim for that.
Copycat, The Ice Storm.
She is amazing in these next twomovies.
Love her in Galaxy Quest.

(41:36):
Oh, yeah.
So good.
Everybody, everybody is so goodin that movie.
Even Tim

SPEAKER_02 (41:41):
Allen.

SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
Even Tim Allen because he kind of plays
himself.
So, so great in that.
And then I, it is not a greatmovie, but I do really love
Heartbreakers.
She's in that.
She's great in that.
It's not the worst.
No.
It's fun.
It's just like, yeah.
It's fun.
And she has like a reallyinteresting rapport with, what's

(42:02):
his name from Goodfellas?
Joe Pesci?
No.
Robert De Niro?
Nope.
You know exactly who I'm talkingabout.
I'm forgetting all the namestoday.
She, come on.
What?
Help me out.
It's the guy.
The main guy in Goodfellas.
Holy shit, Derek.

(42:23):
And he passed away.
Ray Liotta.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So they're great now.
She's in the village.
And then lately.
Oh, yeah.
The Shyamalan.
Am I Shyamalan?
The village?
Yeah.
I didn't hate that.
I didn't hate it.

SPEAKER_02 (42:38):
Yeah, I liked it.
It was fine.
I liked it, in fact.

SPEAKER_01 (42:41):
Okay.
She has been part of Avatarbecause obviously her and
Cameron have a greatrelationship.
So she's been in both the firstand second.
And I'm not sure.
I presume she's involved in allthe other 26 other Avatar movies
that are going to

SPEAKER_02 (42:54):
come out.
At the paces putting those out,she'll only have to live to be
like 150.
She

SPEAKER_01 (43:00):
is one of the best cameos, I think, of all time.
Cabin in the Woods.
Yes.
I think...
They had wanted to go for JamieLee Curtis, but I'm so glad it's
Sigourney Weaver.
She's great in it.

SPEAKER_02 (43:12):
I would have been fine with either of those, but
Weaver, I think, is better athaving this sinister kind of

SPEAKER_01 (43:21):
vibe.
Yep.
And then more recently, TheGorge.
Okay.
Moving on to Joan Cusack.
So she plays Sin.
I think it's short for Cynthia.
And she also...
So they were...
put up against each otherbecause she also gets a Best
Supporting Actress nomination.

SPEAKER_02 (43:38):
Her hair should have got its own Best Supporting.
Hair and makeup?

SPEAKER_01 (43:44):
Yeah.
I love Joan Cusack.
She elevates anything that she'sin.
However, I don't think she's agreat friend in this movie.
No, she's not.
I was getting more and moreannoyed with her as the film
went on because it seemed to methat Like, the way she kept

(44:06):
reprimanding Tess, like, I getit.
It's not great to lie.
It's not great to pretend you'resomething you're not.
Whatever.
But she would know better thananyone exactly why Tess was
doing what she was doing.
She wasn't doing it toneedlessly, like, fuck someone
over.
She wasn't doing it to hurtanybody else.

(44:27):
She was doing it because sheknew that that was going to be
the way that she could finally–make some progress in her
career.
Yeah, I think...
Because nobody was taking herseriously, and she kept getting
taken advantage of.

SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
At a certain point, I wondered, is Sin more worried
about Tess getting in trouble,or is she more worried that
she'll succeed?

SPEAKER_01 (44:48):
Thank you.
Exactly.
That's...
I guess from that character'sperspective...
I suppose I could understand whyshe's like, why don't you love
this world we're a part of?
Like, I love my life.
I love our community.
I'm proud of who I am.
I don't need to be somethingelse.
That's great for Sin.

SPEAKER_02 (45:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:08):
But I would think as like a good friend, if your
friend wants to do differentthings with her life and succeed
in a different way, you shouldsupport her in that.
And so it was really bumming meout the way that Sin kept–
Discouraging her.

SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
But she did have the great line where she's like, I
can dance around in my room, butit doesn't make me Madonna.

SPEAKER_01 (45:30):
Yeah, there's some great lines in this movie.
And it never

SPEAKER_02 (45:31):
will.

SPEAKER_01 (45:32):
And I think what...
I'm not going to say put thenail in the coffin, but I really
was very upset with Sin when shewas almost on the verge of
advocating that Tess get backwith Meg.

SPEAKER_02 (45:43):
It was so weird.
Like, she literally walks inon...
Alec Baldwin, Mick having sexwith one of their friends.
Yes.
Who then also showed up to Sin'sengagement party.
Yep.
Where they all encouraged Mickto propose to Tess.
Yes.
It was.
And then Mick is like reallyoffended that.

SPEAKER_01 (46:07):
Yeah, wild.
What is going on?
Absolutely insane that he wasoffended that the person that he
had cheated on three daysearlier didn't want to say yes
to his marriage proposal.

SPEAKER_02 (46:19):
It very much reminded me of like the skit
with Alec Baldwin, I think DavidSpade, Chris Farley, Adam
Sandler, maybe where he's justlike cheating on all of them.
and trying to like talk his wayout of it.
It felt, it was giving me a lotof that energy.
I wonder if it

SPEAKER_01 (46:36):
was inspired by that.
You just made me think of thatreally awful, I mean, it's
funny, but it's awful skit wherehe's like a camp counselor and
the innuendo is- Alec Baldwin?
Yeah, right?
It's him.
Maybe.
Where like he is not beingappropriate with like the
campers.
I swear there's a skit out therelike that.
I will have to double checkthat.
I believe you.
But in any case- Yeah, it wasvery strange for me.

(47:00):
And I was trying to– like, Idon't know if I've actually come
to a conclusion because I'mtrying to think, like, what is
the movie saying with that partof the story?
Like, Tess 100% stands up forherself.
I, though, was even upset that,like, even at the party– You
know, like, when Sin's like, Iwant happy people here tonight,
I want to be like, fuck that.
He cheated on her.

(47:21):
He doesn't deserve anything.
The fact that you're tellingyour friend, please be nice to
him, please make him happytonight, is absurd.
It

SPEAKER_02 (47:29):
was weird.
Tess had a couple real bad daysin this movie.

SPEAKER_01 (47:32):
Yeah, and the fact that, like, you know, I guess
he— bought a boat or somethingand she was like, oh, I'm so
happy.
Like she's then all of a suddenhappy for him.
And then I understand why shewould have gotten emotional.
I could tell when that one songcame on and she was like tearing
up.
I understand that because youdid, you did have a history with
this person and you're sad.
You're sad that it's over, evenif they were an asshole to you.

(47:54):
But to agree to dance with him,like it was just, That was a
very strange part of the storyfor me.
I couldn't quite tell what thefilm was trying to say with
that.
At

SPEAKER_02 (48:04):
no point did I really think she was going to go
back to him.
But that's what they were tryingto create this tension or
conflict.
Like, will she succeed in hernew life?

SPEAKER_01 (48:13):
Yeah.
All to say...

SPEAKER_02 (48:15):
That's, I guess, part of the love rectangle.

SPEAKER_01 (48:19):
Sure.
Yeah, it was more of arectangle.
But Joan Cusack, she's amazing.
Um...
I mean, it's not the first timewe've talked about her, and it
almost certainly won't be thelast.
But some of her credits, andshe's still very much working to
this day.
She's been doing great, greatstuff.
My Bodyguard, 16 Candles.
We covered her.

(48:40):
We've talked about her twicenow.
So we did talk about her inbroadcast news.
Yep.
So another reason to go checkthat one out.
She's in Married to the Mob.
She's uncredited in this, whichI think is interesting because I
think she has like a– More thana cameo in this film.
Say anything?

SPEAKER_02 (48:56):
Yeah, she's...
Yeah, it's weird that she wouldbe uncredited.

SPEAKER_01 (48:59):
Yeah, so we brought her up in that.
She is in My Blue Heaven, Hero,Toys, Adam's Family Values,
Karina Karina, Nine Months.
She is outstanding.
And grows point blank.
She is.
She is outstanding.
She's better than her brother inthat movie.
You think?
Oh, yeah.
She makes that movie.

(49:20):
She is so good.
Look, John Cusack's great, too.
And it's fun to see them playoff each other.
Yeah.
But she steals every scene.
Every scene.
She is also an Oscar nominated,well, for this movie and
In-N-Out.
She gets another Best SupportingActress nomination.
She's in Runaway Bride.
She, I didn't write down who,but she's been with the Toy

(49:43):
Story franchise.
She's a character and she'svoiced in Toy Story 2, 3, and 4
and probably the otheroffshoots.
She's Jessie.
Oh, is she Jessie?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I didn't clock that.
Where the Heart Is, I presumethis is like her own show.
She was in the TV series WhatAbout Joan.

(50:04):
She's in School of Rock.
She does voice work.
So she voiced on Peep in the BigWide World as well as Kloss that
we watched.

SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
Oh, yeah.
That was excellent.
Not that long ago.

SPEAKER_01 (50:19):
She was in The Perks of Being a Wallflower.
And then I think this show isalso wrapped up.
She was on Shameless.

SPEAKER_02 (50:25):
and one more with her brother, High Fidelity.

SPEAKER_01 (50:28):
Oh my God, I'm sorry I missed that.

SPEAKER_02 (50:30):
No, no, which was really fun because she's like a
mutual friend with John Cusackand his ex throughout the movie.
And when they both give theirstories about why they broke up,
she gets to just lay into herbrother and just call him a
piece of shit, basically.

SPEAKER_01 (50:48):
Do they play siblings?
No, she's a mutual friend, yousaid.
She's a mutual friend, yeah.
They never actually playedsiblings in...
But

SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
the way

SPEAKER_01 (51:00):
that she gets to like lay in him, I always
thought was like really- Whichis

SPEAKER_02 (51:16):
two names,

SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
right?
Two names.
Yeah, it's not McDougan.
It's McDougan.
Mr.

SPEAKER_02 (51:22):
McDougan.

SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
McDougan.
And also not the first time thatwe have brought him up.
But there will probably be, Ithink, an opportunity to bring
him up again.
So...
He is Tess's boyfriend whocheats on her and goes on to
have his own love story.

(51:43):
Yeah, I mean, again, that'sinteresting that you– I did not
know that he was originallyprobably going to have the role
of Jack Traynor.
I think he could have been greatin that role, but he's great in
this role too.
So long, long career, stillgoing.

(52:04):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we're not going to go downthat rabbit hole today.
But some of his other credits,so very early in his career, he

(52:24):
was on a couple different TVshows, The Doctors and Knott's
Landing.
So he did some primetime soapopera work.

SPEAKER_02 (52:30):
Knott's Landing.

SPEAKER_01 (52:32):
We covered him for Beetlejuice.
That was all the way back inseason one.
So definitely go check that oneout.
He was in, I think, Married tothe Mob.
That's an 80s film, right?
We could presumably do that.

SPEAKER_02 (52:43):
Where he plays Cucumber Frank DeMarco.

SPEAKER_01 (52:45):
Wow.
So there's that.
You have mentioned, althoughit's 90s, right?
Right on the cusp for RedOctober.

SPEAKER_02 (52:53):
That's going to be part of my new separate podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (52:55):
So he's in that.
Alice, you also mentioned GlennGary, Glenn Ross.

SPEAKER_02 (53:00):
So 92.
So yeah, it's like he wasauditioning for that Blake role
in Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross inthis movie during their fight
after the engagement party.

SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
He's in The Getaway, The Shadow.

SPEAKER_02 (53:14):
That is a...
Underrated movie.

SPEAKER_01 (53:17):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 (53:17):
Yes.
It is a really fun, I guess it'slike technically a superhero
movie, but yeah, it was a funmovie.
Okay.
Really liked it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:25):
He's all over the place.
I mean, he's done every genre.
He does Ghost in Mississippi.
As of right now, his one andonly Oscar nomination, Best
Supporting Actor for The Cooler.
He's good.
It's not a huge role, but he'sin, actually he's good in both
these, both Scorsese.
He is in The Aviator and TheDeparted.

SPEAKER_02 (53:45):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:46):
You had a

SPEAKER_02 (53:46):
great moment with Mark Wahlberg in The Departed.
They had a lot of banter.

SPEAKER_01 (53:54):
Good banter, bad banter.

SPEAKER_02 (53:55):
It was excellent banter.

SPEAKER_01 (53:56):
They were like jiving each other.

SPEAKER_02 (54:00):
Giving each other shit the entire movie.

SPEAKER_01 (54:02):
Oh, okay, okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Yeah, I think I, althoughthere's obviously a notable
exception, I think I preferdramatic Alec Baldwin to comedic
Alec.
Alec Baldwin, but he's reallygreat in both.

SPEAKER_02 (54:15):
You get both in that.

SPEAKER_01 (54:16):
Yeah, you do.
But I don't know.
I just like him in those typesof roles.
He's in Rock of Ages.
And here we go.
There is, I'm sure, a huge, hugekind of, I'm not going to say
generation, but a group ofpeople who know him primarily
from Third Rock.
Oh, yeah.
So he does that.
So, yes, he is amazing atcomedy.
He is amazing.
Still Alice.
That's why he's been on SNL,like, how many times?

(54:38):
That's my last credit for him,notably.
Yeah.
As Felon 47, right?
What?
Well, that's what I'm going tocall him.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
The person who calls himself ourpresident right now.

SPEAKER_02 (54:53):
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (54:55):
And then he's been in a couple of the Mission
Impossibles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Rogue Nation and Fallout.
Okay.
So I mentioned a lot of cameos.
There are a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So...
Crazy.
Crazy.
There's so many people who justhave these little bit parts.
So I'm just going to go overthem really quickly.

(55:18):
So first there's Nora Dunn.
So really interesting role forher.
I mean, I guess it is somewhatcomedic, but I know her mostly
from SNL.
So she plays Weaver's friendGinny.

SPEAKER_02 (55:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:30):
And she's just in like two quick scenes, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (55:33):
She's in a couple scenes and when they're at the
party, you see her and she'slike there, but she's not.

SPEAKER_01 (55:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:42):
Oliver Platt.
So he plays one of Tessa'sformer bosses who kind of throws
her under because he claims thatthis guy is looking for a new
secretary.
That guy, Bob Speck, is playedby Kevin Spacey and it is very
much not true.
And Kevin Spacey's just tryingto make a pass at her.
And because of that, she quitson Lutz.

(56:07):
Another really interesting cameois Olympia Dukakis, who is like
criminally underused.
I was like, I want to just seeanything with her in it all the
time.
That's what was...

SPEAKER_02 (56:20):
Like, I was watching it.
I'm like, wait, that's–

SPEAKER_01 (56:21):
but it's just this– what's happening?
Yes.
Every day– because it had beenso long since I saw this movie,
every time I saw somebody whowas really notable, I was like,
oh, are we going to see more ofthem in this movie?
Because I couldn't remember.
Nope.
Nope.
So she is– she doesn't even get,like, a real name.
She's the personnel director whohelps Tess find the job with
Catherine.
Well– There you go.
Then there are two really funnycameos.

(56:44):
So first I'm going to do RikkiLake because she actually gets a
line.
So she's one of the bridesmaidsat the wedding that Tess and
Jack crash.
And then I don't think he gets aline, but David Duchovny is in
the film when Tess has like thesurprise birthday party.
They're all like hiding in thecloset or something.
Yeah, I guess he's there.

(57:05):
I didn't even clock him, buthe's one of the friends.
All right.
Okay, film synopsis.
When a secretary's idea isstolen by her boss, she seizes
an opportunity to steal it backby pretending she has her boss's
job.

SPEAKER_02 (57:24):
That's it.
It's like a great Uno reversecard.

SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
I mean, when it comes to allthe, like, corporate lingo...

SPEAKER_00 (57:35):
I

SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
kind of kind of lose focus for a little bit.
But that's essentially it.
And

SPEAKER_02 (57:46):
that is what happens.
I mean, the whole like stealingan idea and then her trying to
like take advantage of Weaver'scharacter being gone.
That's really like the movie.
But it takes a little bit to getit to that point.

UNKNOWN (58:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:02):
So you see some of those cameos where it like gets
you to where the real storybegins.
And that was like my pacingissue was I'm like, what is
happening with this movie?

SPEAKER_01 (58:11):
I'm not sure how I feel.
I mean, like, look, women canobviously do bad things too.
But I think it's interestingthat they made a choice to have
her female boss be the one tofuck her over in that way.
Yeah.

(58:31):
I get it because it also playsinto the love triangle or
rectangle.
It

SPEAKER_02 (58:38):
made sense from the perspective of...
Like Tessa's character was morewilling to like lower her guard
and offer this stuff because shefelt like she had an ally.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (58:49):
Which is why I feel bad that that wasn't the case.

SPEAKER_02 (58:52):
But then you get to the end where she like realizes
that she has a secretary, anassistant now.

SPEAKER_01 (58:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:59):
So you get a chance to see how she is going to
treat.
Do it differently.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:03):
Yeah.
It just makes me feel a littlebad.
Like, look, they do set up thatshe also had a bad male boss
prior to Catherine.
like Lutz and what he pulled.
Yeah.
You know, so it's equalopportunity, bad behavior, but
it, I don't, I don't know.
I don't know what the fix is.
I don't know if there is a fix,but like in terms of like
Catherine being the one to screwher over and then she, so to

(59:27):
speak, not get saved, but thenlike gets her, and it's not
redemption, but she gets hersecond chance through a man like
Trask then, you know, hires heron.

SPEAKER_02 (59:38):
Well, I would say that she got that opportunity
with Trask, right?
Because of, based on her merit,based on what she brought,

SPEAKER_01 (59:51):
But it would have been interesting if it had been
like a different female boss,but then that probably would
have been very, maybe at thatpoint in time, disingenuous with
like what things were in 1988.
There are

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:01):
three women

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:01):
bosses in this movie?
Yeah, exactly.
Totally unbelievable.
Exactly.
So I don't know.
It's just something I clocked.
I don't know.
Yeah.

(01:00:27):
And you see her walk in and it'sjust all women in that like
common space area with thecubicles.
And I was like, oh, that's sointeresting.
Catherine, which I'm like, whywould I think that Catherine
hired all those women?
But I was like, oh, that's sogreat.
They like have all women there.
I was like, no, it's because atthat time only women were like
secretaries.
So it was like kind of like, oh,I'm such a dummy that I thought

(01:00:48):
that that was progressive.
But it was like not at all.
But yeah.
Yeah.
It was

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:53):
like a nine to five scene almost.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:55):
Yes.
And I guess they do show like,you know, I've already said my
piece about Sin, but like theydo show women being supportive
of women.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:04):
When she leaves her job at Catherine's and all those
women say goodbye to her.
I mean, she

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:11):
was fired, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
Yeah.
I mean, and I get why they wouldfire her.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:16):
Sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, like she didn't shedid not really have many options
available.
She was either going to like.
What, like go to H.R.
whistleblower kind of thing,that's not going to help or do
nothing and just take it.
I don't think she was going todo that.
And that would make for a realboring movie.
So she did.
And I think she like she didn'tlike apologize, but she

(01:01:41):
explained like you havesometimes you have to.
Do the wrong thing to...
And

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:46):
it's one of those tropes where it's like, my God,
the number of films that I'veseen where, like, somebody
portrays themselves to besomething that they absolutely
are not, even if it's for goodreasons.
Yeah.
And they, like, fall in lovewith somebody along the way.
Then that person finds out whothey really are.
Oh, my God, yeah.
And then they're mad for aminute, but they eventually come
around.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:07):
I'm just like...
It's like old-school 80scatfishing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:09):
Yeah, it's like...
I...
As far as her and Jack being agood match, I guess.
I don't know if there reallyneeded to be a love story there.
I think there could have been amutually respectful business
relationship.

(01:02:31):
They went

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:32):
into that side of things pretty fast.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:37):
They did.
I mean, when he's like, I loveyou, I was like, come on.
Yeah.
That line didn't even need to besaid.
He

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:46):
said it like...
A time where I'm like, what areyou doing?
She's got like...

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:50):
Yeah, also the timing of it's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:51):
The super important thing she's got to do.
Why don't you just wait tillafter

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:55):
maybe?
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:56):
Just let her do the work, okay?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:58):
Yeah, I agree with you.
It's like when somebodygraduates from like...
Like I've seen stories wheresomebody, you know, they
successfully defend their PhD orsomething of that nature.
And then their partner takesthat as an opportunity to
propose right there.
I'm like, come on, let them havethat moment and keep this
proposal separate.
Anyway...
That's just me.

(01:03:20):
So, at the end of the day, like,I'm really glad I saw this movie
again because I do, more thananything, think it's a really
interesting snapshot because itwas made in 1988.
It's made in the time that itwas set.
Yeah.
And I do think that, like, in aweird way, it does show, like,
accuracy.
And look, man.

(01:03:41):
Yeah.
There's a whole rabbit hole thatcould be gone down today that I
will not do in terms of what ishappening right now in terms of
regression of...
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:51):
will say that policies and procedures were
specifically put in place toensure that people as capable as
Tess got the same type ofopportunities to get those
roles.
And...
Now there is very much pressureto eliminate those programs.

(01:04:14):
And that's–

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:17):
But then you have like lately in the news, Harvard
just said that anybody who'scombined like parental income is
under$200,000, that that will betaken into consideration as far
as like whatever their liketuition will be.
I don't remember if I read thatit's totally free or if it's a

(01:04:38):
sliding scale based on what thatincome is.
But it's amazing that aninstitution like that is
recognizing that people who comefrom a certain socioeconomic
background should not be– Shouldnot have the same opportunities.
Top

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:57):
education or quality education or educational
opportunities generally shouldnot be trapped behind a paywall.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:03):
Exactly.
And that comes up in the filmtoo.
Like, I don't know, whatever.
It was like a very vague way oftalking about, but there's some
program that Tess talks aboutthat she keeps wanting to be
part of.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:12):
It was like just one of the guys.
Wait, was that- I didn't use theright title, huh?

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:16):
No, you did.
Was that it?
Okay.
Wait, just one of the guys.
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
Yes.
Not she's one of the guys.
That's it.
Just one of the guys.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:21):
She's one of the guys would really spoil the
movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:26):
And as kind of crushing as it is, the one guy
who's not Lutz says to her, kindof like, well, what do you
expect?
You're competing against peoplewho have Ivy League education.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:39):
and you went to night school.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:40):
And you went to night school.
Yeah.
That still, to some degree,holds true today.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:47):
Which speaks to me because I started law school in
night school.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:50):
There you go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:52):
Yeah.
I felt that personally.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:54):
Yeah.
I mean, it's still a thingtoday, but it's like in a time
where there's a lot to bedespairing about, very
legitimately so.
Yeah.
Little things like Harvardsaying that.
Yeah.
And also Harvard and not justHarvard, I know a lot of schools
offer this like totally freeonline classes for certain

(01:06:16):
things.
Yeah.
And that's great too.
Like all to say, and then I'llzip the lip, is like education
and access, like you perfectlystated, should not be hid behind
a paywall.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:30):
Yeah.
And I'm not saying that it allshould be– or make sense for it
to be free, but that shouldn'tbe the reason why someone is
unable to get that education.
There should be paths forward inspite of that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:46):
Agreed.
Would you watch this film again?
I

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:49):
mean...
Maybe.
I'm not going to avoid it or notwatch it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:55):
You're not going to avoid it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:56):
I'm not going to avoid it.
I enjoyed it.
It was– I don't really know whatI expected.
For some reason, I thoughtHarrison– I didn't know Harrison
Ford was in this and Sabrina.
His character kind of like

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:10):
blends over.
Yeah, that was interesting thatyou completed it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:14):
But yeah, there were like funny moments in it.
It was a good movie.
It was good to see Sigourney–play like a hardcore business
person and then a drug addledweirdo from a ski trip.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:27):
Her personality really flipped.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:28):
It was

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:29):
so weird.
It's fun to see her.
I mean, like she's just great ineverything, but it's very fun to
see her being a little devious.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:35):
Getting her, like getting her, seeing her put on
the spot, seeing her in aposition where she gets put on
the spot at the end.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:42):
When Tess had already given the story of like
how she like had this idea forthis deal.
And then the guy like prettylike wisely just asked her
because that's like a great wayof discovering like who really
had this idea.
That was fun.
I feel like I don't seeSigourney Weaver in many roles
where she's really put on thespot like that.

(01:08:03):
So that was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:05):
It was really interesting.
I thought that was one of thebest moments, the different
tactics that she used.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:11):
I'll have to check my files is a great corporate
answer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that was a great moment forher.
So anyway.
She had

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:20):
to get her bony ass out of there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:22):
Yeah, she did.
So...
Call to action.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm just really curious aboutwhat people think of the way
that the corporate world wasportrayed at that time and if it
feels like there's beensignificant progress since or
not and just kind of theirthoughts on that.

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That would be what I would bemost curious about.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:46):
Yeah, I don't really know what these businesses did.
I know that they had a mergers

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:51):
and acquisitions department.
That's what I was saying.
I kind of fade when they getinto the details of it.
Our business is business.
Yeah, exactly.
We're in a business so hard.
And I was like, why do they wanta media company so bad?
I was kind of like, why is itthe play?
Were they

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:06):
consultants that were helping make this deal?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:08):
Yeah, that's the other

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:09):
thing, too.
Why in the fucking world does noone else understand that you
can't have this foreign companyalso- I've

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:17):
brought that up so many times.
They're so concerned with theJapanese takeover.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:22):
And did you know that a foreign company can
acquire a radio?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:25):
I was like, yes, we've heard this

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:27):
already.
Did you know that the FCCprohibits this?
And I'm like, shouldn't some ofthese massive corporations have
no in-house counsel?
Yeah, I know.
They're like,

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:38):
oh my God, really?
I had no idea.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:40):
The look of shock on their

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:42):
face is like, what?
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So I did tell you what the filmis.
Oh, right.

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That's actually pretty good.
Although it's slightly KeanuReeves.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:09):
Yeah, it was.
That was less Spicoli and moreKeanu Reeves in Point Break.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:16):
And there you have it, Spicoli.
Yeah, the

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:18):
movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:19):
The Spicoli, the movie.
That actually would be great.
Man, that's what they should do.
The way that they went astraywith Cobra Kai, that would be
amazing if they did a follow-upto Spicoli's character with
present-day Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:34):
I'd be all about that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:35):
Sean Penn would punch in the face whoever
suggests it, though.
I just feel like that's what hewould do.
So dumb.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:40):
That's how you got to start in

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:42):
Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:45):
Crazy to think that we have not gotten that.
gotten to that film yet inseason

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:49):
six.
There was a brief moment ofpanic when we reached this stage
of the podcast, because you didtell me right before we started,
and I'm like, oh shit, what wasit?

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:59):
So that's another film that I have very
complicated views on.
Although I think ultimately it'sa very noteworthy film for the
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Very much

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:25):
so.
Yep.
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:41):
Fully agree.
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