April 19, 2025 • 32 mins
Grab your tap shoes it's time to review of Doctor Who season 2, episode 2: Lux! On the menu: Alan Cumming shines as Mr. Ring-a-Ding, the second season’s overall plot, Miami 1950's, super fan obsessions, the mysterious Mrs. Flood and more!
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(00:00) - Intro
(02:32) - General Thoughts On Episode 2
(07:18) - Belinda & The Doctor Dynamic
(12:28) - 1950’s Miami & Segregation & Rock Hudson
(18:22) - Mr. Ring-A-Ding & Lux
(24:14) - Fourth Wall & The Fans & Ending
(28:22) - Mrs. Flood & Final Thoughts
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Hey Noah, what does the fox say?Ring Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, a
Ding a Ding. Ring Ding, Ding, Ding, a Ding, a
Ding. Mr. Ring a Ding.
Ring Ding Ding Ding, Ding Ding, Ding Ding.
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Hi, I'm Derek, That's Noah, and welcome to a bite of where we
are doing double duty. And this time we're talking
about episode 2 of Doctor Who Season 2.
What? Are we doing anymore?
I don't even know. I feel like I'm two different
people. Who am I?
I'm Doctor Who. I'm the Last of Us.
It's all very confusing. Yeah, second episode of Doctor
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Who. We're not doing spoiler free
episodes of Doctor Who anymore just because that's very hard
for us to do and I think being able to talk about the full
thing gives us a better review and also discussion, so we want
to talk to you guys about it andnot hide things.
Yeah, it's what's more frustrating as a listener than
being like what? But what are the details?
Yeah, what happened? So this will be a fully spoiled
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second episode of Doctor Who. But before we get into
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Be patient to children. Yes.
So spoilers ahead for Lux. How many times are we going to
say Lux in this episode? Because let us officially take a
bite of Doctor Who Season 2 Episode 2 Lux written by Russell
T Davies and directed by Amanda Brochi.
The Doctor and Belinda land in Miami, FL in the 50s where they
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learned that a group of moviegoers mysteriously
disappeared from the now locked up movie house.
Upon investigation, they find a cartoon character come to life,
Mr. Rangening, whose smile lights up a room and hides an
evil secret. I'm just like Alan Cumming.
I didn't realize there would be this much singing in this
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episode. You know what, I actually think
there should be more singing in the episode of Doctor.
Who? Yeah, well, it's been a while.
That's it's a welcome change we used to get all the time because
you used to sing a lot more in our episodes.
There's there we would get many a comment of I really enjoyed
Derek's singing. Where has the music on?
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Now it's too much now. OK, so general thoughts.
Let's let's what do? What do we think?
What do we think about this episode?
I always think that this is, I don't know what it is about an
episode like this that feels very much like a second episode,
right? It's like a little lighter.
It moves the plot along just a little bit and leaves us with
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some more questions. So I think in that essence, I
think it did a good job of what a second episode does.
Yeah, I agree. I I think that this is what I
want from Russell T Davies coming back, revival,
experimenting with things and doing things that who has never
done before. Or I mean, we get an animated
character in this, right In the real world.
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So it's very Roger Rabbit. But like, I would have never
thought we'd get this in Doctor Who.
Definitely 20 years ago, I don'tthink this would have worked as
well. So this is very exciting to
have. I really liked this episode.
I think 2/3 of it really worked for me.
And then I'll we'll get into thethe third part that didn't
really work for me, but I think it was a, a weird sequel to or I
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guess a parallel to Devil's Chord.
Very similar in a lot of ways. I don't know if this is
intentional. That part of me like theory wise
wants to be like what is going on?
Like there has to be like a kindof in shooty mystery or thing
that's happening and I'm not sure what it is.
I know that's Pantheon and we have all that, but I don't know.
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There's just something odd aboutthese episodes paralleling each
other. Yeah, I think that there's
definitely a parallel in the sense that they both deal with
some sort of artistic media, right?
So in the Devil's Court, obviously it's music, and this
one it's cinema and movies. And I also think that there were
some interesting details that were dropped here as far as, you
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know, Belinda tells us about herparents in this episode, and
they're both very musical in some way, right?
So we're still seeing. Maestro.
Right, exactly. But we're still seeing like this
mention of music a lot and what that means.
So I think that there's definitely some interesting
parallels here. And of course, with the
appearance of Lux, we have another Pantheon member.
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But yeah, I do think there are some parallels.
Well, even even with them going to a specific time period,
getting changed kind of in a similar way.
I don't know if that's just going to be a, a thing that
happens. Like they go up the ramp and
then they come out the other part and they're changed, which
I don't mind, But it again, it'sthe second episode.
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It's very, it's interesting. I'm, I mean keep your eyes
peeled for for weird things thatare happening.
I did also, I, I was thinking about that comment that you said
of every time there's a new companion, we have to kind of
learn the steps again and the rules of the world.
And I felt like we had a lot of that, that repetition in this
episode, right, of him telling her where he's from and how he's
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the last one and that they have to get changed.
And then they, like you said, run up the ramp.
And it was kind of like a lot ofsimilar beats I think that we've
seen already. Yeah, well, this is in,
remember. So this is right off of the
heels of the first episode, right?
Because they got into the TARDIS, they tried to go to May
the 24th. They couldn't.
They're bouncing back. So she's still in her same
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outfit. So this is right immediately
after that. So they don't really know each
other. And that is one of the things,
right? It's like us as audience
members, like we're going to hear this thing again.
But it's always, I think it's always interesting of how much
he's going to reveal and when hereveals it, because he doesn't
really reveal a lot of who he isor he's from Gallifrey and stuff
like that, until there's a big emotional part, right, until he
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has to become 3D, give himself more depth.
But I did like the comment of when he said, you know, where he
was insinuating where he was from.
And Belinda was like Time Lordia.
It's like, that could have worked.
Yeah. Yeah, I think.
So, and I think this episode, the beginning of it is, is
setting up more of our overarching plot, which is
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trying to get Belinda back to May 24th, 2025, right?
So this starts with him creatingthis thing called a vindicator,
which is going to act as sort ofan anchor and pull them towards
that point in time, but they have to make stops along the
way. Like a fishing line.
Yes, exactly. I mean, did that work for you?
The introduction of this new thing.
It's fine. I would be surprised if it comes
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back, but I'm I would be not surprised if it doesn't.
That's the thing with Doctor Who.
It's like he's just going to make this gadget or this thing
and it will work and then we'll never see it again.
It's just like a a thing. Yeah, it was funny because he
built it. They brought it outside when
they landed in Miami and then hethrew it back in the TARDIS and
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that was it like. Well, this episode does a really
good thing. So along with the overall like
trying to get her back and they can't get her back right, the
Doctor is trying to keep Belindawith him.
She has a mystery. He can't help himself.
Just like here, there's a mystery with the theater being
locked up and a bunch of people went missing at once.
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Can't help himself. He convinces her and not
manipulates, but kind of manipulates her into staying
there even though they got what they needed from the Vindicator
and they could have left. So what I like about Anshuti's
doctor is that we're always thinking that he's always going
to be big and nice and always open, but there's moments where
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he's hiding things and he's manipulating.
And that's the part of the doctor that's scary because he
can do that. And that very it it mirrors a
little bit to the end of the first episode where Belinda
calls him out and he thought he could have manipulated her or
like, oh, I just took your DNAI scanned you.
It's fine. And she's like, that's not OK.
And there's a look he gives where he's just like, oh, OK, so
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this is so she's going to push back at me.
So I thought it was interesting that he used humor.
He tried a different way, not tomanipulate her but to keep her
there. And it worked with this
Scooby-doo comment, you know. I think this doctor, you know,
that the manipulation side is really scary, but I also think
that there's a part of this doctor that's just so sad and
lonely that he's willing to kindof do whatever he can.
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I mean, not in a very evil way, but just to keep someone close
to him. He, you know, as we know, all
these doctors, they've they always lose people in their
lives. People are always disappearing
from them and so. Sasha, 55.
Yes, exactly. I mean, six months, he was so
attached and then she died rightaway.
So I think that this doctor is always trying to just keep
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people with him because he doesn't want to be alone.
But there's almost a piece of him that can't admit that he
feels lonely. I'm loving that you're picking
up on this, right, because this is going to be like the second
time that you're really watchingDoctor Who, aside from the ones
that I've made you watch like blink.
But this that is the Doctor, like this is the things that
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make the Doctor Who the Doctor is.
And they are very lonely. They're the last of their
people. Granted, in some storylines,
they're these people have come back, but then he's lost them
again. But it's always like, is the
Doctor doing this for themselves?
Is the Doctor doing it to actually help?
Which yes, the Doctor is always helping, but there's always the
thing of they need to confront the reality of what they're
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doing to the people that he allows in the TARDIS or they
allow in the TARDIS. So I love that you're picking up
on that. That's amazing.
I'm looking at it with intention.
But I am interested to see what,because there is a mystery of
Belinda, but how far is that going to go?
Because I think in the first episode when we were talking
about it, I think it's going to work as long as she doesn't
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constantly blame him, which after this, I don't think that
she's going to blame him for nottaking her back.
But I think that she's always going to be wary of like, are we
actually doing the goal or are we having fun?
So there's always this trust that the companions have to give
to the Doctor where you're pushing buttons and turning
things and, I don't know, makingnoises.
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I guess we're doing what we needto do.
The thing is shaking, so that must mean something.
Hardly any companion knows how to fly the TARDIS, and that's
probably on purpose. There needs to be a manual for
them, I think something to let them know, have them a little
more, a little more control of the situation.
But you know, I wonder if towards the end of the season,
there's going to be some discovery of where she is going
to realize that maybe they couldhave gone straight back and they
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didn't need to make all these stops.
And she'll be mad. Because, you know, one of the
things that I had pointed out inEpisode 1 was that I liked that
she was pushing back against himand that she wasn't just the
happy go lucky companion who waswilling to go on these
adventures. And I felt like, man, that
really subsided quickly because like you said, this takes place
immediately after the first episode.
And already he's like, well, we're here.
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You might as well get put on a pretty dress.
And she's like, oh, OK, that sounds like fun.
Well, I think there is that bit of charm, right, That I mean,
I'm time traveling. Yeah, I'm kind of curious.
I do want to see it a little bit.
And also outfits like, sure. So I that's part of the thing
that manipulates the companion alittle bit, even if they're
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reluctant of like, yo, when elsewill you be in the 50s in Miami?
True, but you know what they sayabout curiosity.
It sure did kill the cat, Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I do think
Belinda is going to realize something or she will always
have that of like, no, we need to do the job because in this
episode she does a little bit. So they get out of the TARDIS
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and she's like, cool, OK, let's go.
And he's like, but there's like literally like Caretaker with
the creepy theater and she's like, OK, Velma, let's go, you
know. So I think she'll play along,
but how far will it go? Because the next episode is, I
don't even think it takes place on Earth.
It might take place on Earth, but like, I don't know.
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It's going to be interesting to see how far along they go with
it. But so let's let's go to Miami,
right, 1950s Miami. What did you feel about this
set? Because it all takes place in
one area, which I always love when Doctor Who does that.
It's like they built the set. We're staying.
Yeah. I like that.
I mean, it had very much that feeling of like, this is a set
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of a place in time, right? It was like perfectly curated
for that's in time. There's a 50s diner, there's a
50s movie house, and there's a street.
And that's all you need to know.But I think that what Doctor Who
does is that especially with ourpair, they put them in a place
in time where it could be uncomfortable for them.
So it's almost lucky for them that it's in the middle of the
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night, right? Because segregation exists in
1952 Miami, and Miami has a history with segregation.
There were literal walls built to separate black people from
white people, the two communities.
And those walls still exist in Miami.
So it's something that is there as a reminder of their very sad
past in this country. Hopefully it stays very sad
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past, but I think that it does agood job of reminding them that
people who lived in this time weren't able to be as free as
maybe they are now. This kind of story I was
interested in if they were goingto touch on, because this is the
first like TARDIS team with people of color, like like
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exclusively with people of color, which is crazy to think
in this a long period of time that we've had, the people of
color that have been in the TARDIS is very, very slim.
But so to have that and then also in the first season within
Shooty and then the season priorwith Jodie Whittaker, so being a
woman and now being a black queer man, were those stories
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going to be confronted? And I like that the Doctor is
confronted with that of like, oh, I've never had to like feel
that way, feel like I wasn't welcome somewhere or because I
was always a white man, you know.
So having a story like this and then making sure it's like, no,
this was the time period. Like this is is what happens.
And I like that we're kind of like in Belinda's shoes of like,
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oh, what do you mean? Like, what?
What? Oh, there's segregation.
Like, oh, I like, I thought I was in this fantasy, right?
It's like, no, this is still real, right?
You know, even the diner being segregated.
But I like that Tommy Lee's mom was like, I'll talk to him.
It's interesting because there'salso a moment there where
Belinda is, is obviously and andobviously should be upset about
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this revelation, but the doctor's like, all right, well,
I've conquered worlds. I've been in wars, this is the
least of my trouble. Yeah, he says something.
He says something along the lines of I've toppled world.
Sometimes I wait for people to topple them.
Till then, I just shine so good.I mean, it's unfortunate, right?
But it's like, I think that's really much saying like this is
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this is something that happens in this time, you know?
Until then, I'm going to do whatI can.
Yeah, welcome to the universes, Yeah.
It's bad. And I I did like the line that
he he added where he's talking about the segregation.
He's like, and that includes you.
Yes. He's like, you know, it's it's
black people, white people is like, but you're included and
that because you're just not white, which I think is
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important, important whenever you're doing a story like this
to be like, yeah, this is how insanely racist this time period
was. That kind of carries over when
they go into the movie theater, right?
And it's like, I know this is a segregated space, but like, I'm
here to help, you know? I also think that by landing in
1952 Miami, there's also anotherstoryline here that's spoken by
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very quickly is that when they're looking at the movie
sign, it's a Rock Hudson movie. It's a movie that they made-up.
It's not a real Rock Hudson movie, but I.
Was going to ask. I was like, I don't think that's
a real. They just did it so the letters
could fall off. I could spell Harbinger.
Because I was going to be like, great, They picked the one Rock
Hudson one where? It's Bill Harbinger.
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Yeah. But well, as as maybe if you
don't know, Rock Hudson was a very famous heartthrob actor
from the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s, and he was a
closeted gay man and unfortunately died of AIDS.
And so they have a little conversation about that where
Belinda says, yeah, we studied him when I was in my nursing
program. And so again, this is a
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commentary on how being gay was something that wasn't accepted
even if you were a Hollywood star, and how the people around
you would keep those secrets foryou.
And so as we know, you know, this is a queer Dr. And he even
asks Belinda. He says, you know, do you have
anyone at home? And there's nothing specified,
but it's an open thing of not being like, well, do you have a
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boyfriend? It's just, do you have someone
at home? Right.
Or like who's your mom and dad? Like putting genders to the to
the parents, which again, they're always conscious of
that. And I did like that Belinda
could make that connection with Rock Hudson and be like, Oh
yeah, he was mentioned in our AIDS prevention course.
And when we were, I was studyingthese details, while they're sad
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and they're things that have happened, but I like that
they're making the world again, feel real because these are real
things. And reminding you that like,
this isn't like an alternate timeline.
This is our timeline. And it's also like, how
uncomfortable can we make the doctor?
How many of his identities can we just oppress in this moment?
Not in this one St. Yeah, exactly 1 tiny St.
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Oh boy. But I do want to shout out
before we like move on from the diner person.
I didn't catch their name. I don't really know if they had
a name, but Queen spilling the tea.
Yes, maybe Lucas. That does sound familiar, right?
He was great. He was up in all the business,
he knew everything, he had the T.
He was like, girl, you got to get in there, 'cause Reginald's
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in there maybe. OK, let's talk about the
animated elephant in the room. OK, so ring a Ding I oh so good.
Everything about this character from Alan Cumming doing amazing
singing and voice work, which islike it's funny to think like
this is Alan Cumming. There's very few words whenever
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they were talking where I was like this is Alan coming because
they do such a good job of disguising their voice and
embodying this character. But what did you think of ring a
Ding this? It was like creepy.
The did the animation work for you?
I loved Mr. Ring a Ding, I thought, and like you said, Alan
Cummings portrayal is amazing. I'm so you know, we've been
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recently watching him in the traitors, which is such a
different type of character thathe's playing and you know, and
he says that's not really me. That's the character is it
though? He says I'm playing that very,
you know, turned up Alan for thetraitors.
And so this is so in the other direction.
And I loved this idea of Mr. Ring a Ding taking this, you
know, wholesome character and then making him evil.
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I kept trying to picture in my head, what would it be like to
see an animated character with me, you know?
So that was that would definitely be something creepy.
I think it's one of the, it's hard to imagine, right, because
it's 2D, but whatever perspective you're at, you're
seeing that flat 2D part. I don't know, Like, I mean, we
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can see the movies, but I think trying to actually picture it, I
don't know, like it's like, I know this is a 3D space.
I can't fathom like a 2D thing. So I do think they did a really
good job. It looked amazing.
I wish there was more animation part.
Even whenever they get captured and put into the film I wish
there was just more of the animation.
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Like it made me think like an anime to Doctor Who show could
be kind of cool. Now.
Would you want it to be an adulttone animated show or a kids
toned animated show? Keep the same tone.
I mean, it could learn more Torchwood, which Torchwood was
very much like the Buffy ish feel where it still felt
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innocent, but like it was a little more sexy, a little more
edge. So like, I could deal with that,
but I don't want it to be like adult, you know, that would just
completely lose the feeling of Doctor Who.
But I thought the introduction to Ring a Ding was really
creepy. The tap dancing, that freaked me
out. But then I started losing it a
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little bit. I think the story with Reginald
and him having to be there to feed Lux with movies and stuff
like that because of his wife, because Lux brought his wife
back. I thought that was really
compelling and I really liked that.
And those are the short little tiny moments of Doctor Who where
it's like, you really made me feel for this character in like
2 seconds. But I think Lux as a character,
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this episode felt too short. It felt too short in the way of
like, it could have had a secondpart, like we have a new
Pantheon member, right? And if you look at between the
Devil's Court and Lux, while they're both very inventive and
unique and great casts, I think Devil's Court did more of
fleshing out who that Pantheon member was and really doing a
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start to finish, right? And being like, oh, maybe we'll
see him again. This one, it almost just felt
easy. It felt too quick and Lux really
wasn't in it too much. So like, I liked it, but I
wanted more. Or just like not as like
confusing or convoluted of an explanation.
But easy. Well, that it's funny because I
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had the opposite thought. I thought this could have been
shorter and maybe if it was shorter than it could have been
two parts, because sometimes in a Doctor Who episode, there's
just one too many ingredients and it ruins it, right?
It becomes too salty or too sweet or whatever.
And it's just like, like you said, it lost me.
It was like, I think we needed to just stay in the film, right?
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Rather than although that there was that fun 4th wall break
where they're with those fans onthe outside and they learn that
they're ATV show. It felt like why is this
happening other than them telling them how to defeat Lux?
Like they could have figured that out on their own.
Well, this episode is interesting in itself because
we've we saw photos of this episode.
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This is there. I think there's a shot with the
Doctor and Belinda. It was released during the first
season where they're running away from the theater and you
could see Lux. And that's how we knew that
Verado was coming back and goingto be a companion.
So like, we knew this episode was happening and there was like
hints and rumors and I think intentional leaks of like the
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doctors in ATV show. And I'm, I think it's all just
kind of like leading to this. But again, yeah, it, it, it was
just too much. It was almost too much in one
episode. But also like, I know I'm, I'm
confused if there was a harbinger with Lux.
I think Lux itself just confusedme on like, OK, you're the God
of light, but like, what does that mean?
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Like, why were you only at night?
Was it because then you would beeverything and anything?
But if you're the God of light, how are you not during the day?
I just think like, I don't know it.
Like I need more. Maybe they'll come back, which I
hope they do because the pantheon, I would assume, would
come back in some way. Yeah, it was a little a lot.
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A lot. I think that they really could
have leaned into that Scooby-dooaspect of the episode, kept them
animated, and then have like animated violence, fighting,
right? Figure out how to fight Lux as a
cartoon character, Like Big Hammer out of the pocket, bash
him over the head, things like that.
The only time that the Doctor actually does violence is just
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cartoon. Violence, right?
I think that that is the direction they should have gone
in. Really make it a scooby-doo
episode. That would have been really fun.
Yeah, what did you think about the Doctor Who fan part?
I mean, I thought it was kind oftrue to life, right, Of people
being obsessed with the show andloving Blink.
Blink is the only episode anyoneremembers.
And I thought that was funny, but it kind of was like, I
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thought it was clever, but then it was like, they weren't real,
but then they were real. So is Doctor Who in his universe
really ATV show or is he not ATVshow?
I almost wish that like I did like the scene of the The Who
fans and our companion and Doctor with the Doctor Who logo
on the TVI thought that was a really like wild image to see as
like a long time fan of the show.
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I almost wish because it was ourlogo.
I wish they would have like useda fake in universe logo because
it almost took me out because itwas too meta.
I think. Does that make sense?
Yeah, like I, I like I think it was OK.
Let me try to like put this intothoughts.
I think the mocking of fans in afun way was fun, but then it
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flipped a little quickly and then it was like, don't you know
the ending? I, I don't know, it just like
felt. Are you guys trying to be cheeky
or like? But there's a story part to this
so it was really quick. And it also did one of those
things that I personally have trouble with with Doctor Who,
where it tried to make us cry over these characters, but we'd
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never met before, who we literally only know for three
minutes. Well, also, it's like supposed
to be us, but like, you made funof me.
Yeah, in the first bit of it, which is fine.
I don't mind because yeah, we'rethe worst and like, RIP Doctor
Who, but I'm not on that side. But yeah, I think that them
trying to make us feel bad, I'm like, no, like that one.
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I just kind of was like, it's fine.
You don't. It didn't really work for me.
Like being sad about them. I do think that them all saying
blank is hilarious, but a true Doctor Who fan would have said
something like Heaven Sent or Waters of Mars or Girl in the
fireplace. You know, like.
So he's saying that fake, they're fake fans.
They're. Fake fans, which I think Blink
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is always at the top of everybody's list, but like
really real fans. I did think it was kind of when
the Doctor, and I don't know if it's just because it's this
Doctor, but when they were saying what their favorite
episode was, The Doctor was onlysaying in shooty episodes, which
I was like, Oh, that's interesting.
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Like you're not mentioning Heaven said, you know what I
mean? Like you could have mentioned
any other ones, but it's like, what about the one on the bomb?
What about this one? I was like, oh.
Weird. I think it's it's this doctor's
pride of being like, why are my episodes not your favorite?
But yeah, I I think that's what it was.
But I was just more like hmm. And then how did he know that
those are the episodes? Because we always talk about the
adventures in between the episodes, but he only mentioned
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episodes. Don't think about it too much.
It's all starting to fall. Apart, yeah, yeah, but I I
thought it was fun I think them trying to figure out how to get
out of the film was really fun pulling the frames, stopping the
frames. This is coming out right around
Easter so I think there was verymuch like an Easter part in this
episode where you have the doctor literally strung up like
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this light coming through them. Jesus.
You have Tommy Lee's mom saying like, it's been 3 months.
And so three days, three months,he came back.
I'm like. So he is our God.
Yeah, I see what you're doing. Yeah, I think Lex Imperator
getting defeated with being likeconsumed by a bunch of light was
fine. I think the imagery was really
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cool. Just saying like ring a Dane,
get bigger and bigger and biggeruntil they're everywhere and
anywhere. Literally becoming a God I
thought was fine. I thought that was a very like
Doctor Who thing to do. But yeah, it just makes me
wonder. I'm like, this could have been 2
episodes, like the shortening ofthe season themselves and also
the episodes. I'm feeling it a little bit in
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some of these particular stories, but maybe we'll see
them again at the end of the season.
I don't know who's the big bad is for this, but yeah, I could
see the toy maker or Maestro coming back.
I'd love that, honestly. Well, I mean, Speaking of the
big bad and so on that we saw again who is in 1952 Miami
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misses Flood. Yeah, And she was like, yeah,
you guys want to see a real show?
Look at this. I you know, she's freaking me
out, man. She's always everywhere.
She's always, I don't know. She's she's always there at the
end of the thing always being like, hey, guys, we're like, I I
can't figure it out. I have no idea.
I think Susan Twist was like, this is weird.
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Why are we always seeing her? But we're seeing but Missus
Flood is doing the same exact thing, but like in a weird
bigger way. Well, it's like Susan Twist was
a different version of her beingin that universe where that this
is the same Missus Flood and nowwe know that she can travel
through time much like a TARDIS can.
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Is she hanging on it like Suitek?
Part of me thinks that she's attached to the TARDIS in some
way, like she has to be, becausehow is she there?
And also, if she did say something like it all ends on
the 24th of May, so we have a date, right?
Like that's a big thing that's happening.
I, I don't know, I, it would make it seem like she's attached
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to the TARDIS in some way. The TARDIS has been sentient in
some stories, but I don't think they'll go that route.
Is she some sort of time God or something like that?
She has to be. She has to be some Pantheon
member or some Time Lord of somesort, but I don't know.
I mean, and with that phrase that she says is is it possible
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that Belinda can't get back to that date because she doesn't
make it to that date. She dies before that date.
And that's a reason why maybe, Imean, has there ever, I'm not
that you might not know this, but has there ever been a time
where the Doctor and his companion can't get back to a
specific date? I mean, no, like, yes and no,
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not to this extent, not to whereit wasn't figured out in an
episode, you know. So this is definitely like, I
don't know why they can't get back there.
Maybe because nothing exists. But then something has to exist
past that date because we go to the future on Earth, you know?
So I don't know. I think, I have no idea.
I think it's still early to tellwhat this possibly could be, but
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Misses Flood is. Yeah, she's she's interesting.
I'm still not sure. I think at the end of Season 1,
where we saw her in all white and everything, it's like, oh,
she she's kind of resembling some old villains.
But I think she's doing that on purpose.
So I don't know. I think we're in for some more
mysteries. The next one.
I'm quite excited for the well. So yeah, let us know what you
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thought of flux. Did it work for you?
Did it not work for you? What did you think of Ring?
A Ding, a Mr. Ring. I also like his catch phrase.
Don't make me laugh. Oh my, when the giggle.
As soon as that happened I went so scary.
It was a fun character, I just think they didn't take make some
the right choices with it. Yeah, I wish Lex was in it more.
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And also it was like, I liked the Doctor Who explanation of
like, by chance the sunlight hitthe spoon and then it hit the
the projector light and it gave life.
I love that because it's like, yeah, it's who, whatever.
Yeah, that works. That's fine, yeah.
But let us know. Comment below.
Were you living for Lux? What do you think of our pair
and their beautiful costumes? Bye.
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I'm like, you can't leave them like that.
Bye.
Hey Noah, what does the fox say?Ring Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, a
Ding a Ding. Ring Ding, Ding, Ding, a Ding, a
Ding. Mr. Ring a Ding.
Ring Ding Ding Ding, Ding Ding, Ding Ding.
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Hi, I'm Derek, That's Noah, and welcome to a bite of where we
are doing double duty. And this time we're talking
about episode 2 of Doctor Who Season 2.
What? Are we doing anymore?
I don't even know. I feel like I'm two different
people. Who am I?
I'm Doctor Who. I'm the Last of Us.
It's all very confusing. Yeah, second episode of Doctor
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Who. We're not doing spoiler free
episodes of Doctor Who anymore just because that's very hard
for us to do and I think being able to talk about the full
thing gives us a better review and also discussion, so we want
to talk to you guys about it andnot hide things.
Yeah, it's what's more frustrating as a listener than
being like what? But what are the details?
Yeah, what happened? So this will be a fully spoiled
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second episode of Doctor Who. But before we get into
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So spoilers ahead for Lux. How many times are we going to
say Lux in this episode? Because let us officially take a
bite of Doctor Who Season 2 Episode 2 Lux written by Russell
T Davies and directed by Amanda Brochi.
The Doctor and Belinda land in Miami, FL in the 50s where they
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learned that a group of moviegoers mysteriously
disappeared from the now locked up movie house.
Upon investigation, they find a cartoon character come to life,
Mr. Rangening, whose smile lights up a room and hides an
evil secret. I'm just like Alan Cumming.
I didn't realize there would be this much singing in this
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episode. You know what, I actually think
there should be more singing in the episode of Doctor.
Who? Yeah, well, it's been a while.
That's it's a welcome change we used to get all the time because
you used to sing a lot more in our episodes.
There's there we would get many a comment of I really enjoyed
Derek's singing. Where has the music on?
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Now it's too much now. OK, so general thoughts.
Let's let's what do? What do we think?
What do we think about this episode?
I always think that this is, I don't know what it is about an
episode like this that feels very much like a second episode,
right? It's like a little lighter.
It moves the plot along just a little bit and leaves us with
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some more questions. So I think in that essence, I
think it did a good job of what a second episode does.
Yeah, I agree. I I think that this is what I
want from Russell T Davies coming back, revival,
experimenting with things and doing things that who has never
done before. Or I mean, we get an animated
character in this, right In the real world.
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So it's very Roger Rabbit. But like, I would have never
thought we'd get this in Doctor Who.
Definitely 20 years ago, I don'tthink this would have worked as
well. So this is very exciting to
have. I really liked this episode.
I think 2/3 of it really worked for me.
And then I'll we'll get into thethe third part that didn't
really work for me, but I think it was a, a weird sequel to or I
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guess a parallel to Devil's Chord.
Very similar in a lot of ways. I don't know if this is
intentional. That part of me like theory wise
wants to be like what is going on?
Like there has to be like a kindof in shooty mystery or thing
that's happening and I'm not sure what it is.
I know that's Pantheon and we have all that, but I don't know.
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There's just something odd aboutthese episodes paralleling each
other. Yeah, I think that there's
definitely a parallel in the sense that they both deal with
some sort of artistic media, right?
So in the Devil's Court, obviously it's music, and this
one it's cinema and movies. And I also think that there were
some interesting details that were dropped here as far as, you
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know, Belinda tells us about herparents in this episode, and
they're both very musical in some way, right?
So we're still seeing. Maestro.
Right, exactly. But we're still seeing like this
mention of music a lot and what that means.
So I think that there's definitely some interesting
parallels here. And of course, with the
appearance of Lux, we have another Pantheon member.
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But yeah, I do think there are some parallels.
Well, even even with them going to a specific time period,
getting changed kind of in a similar way.
I don't know if that's just going to be a, a thing that
happens. Like they go up the ramp and
then they come out the other part and they're changed, which
I don't mind, But it again, it'sthe second episode.
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It's very, it's interesting. I'm, I mean keep your eyes
peeled for for weird things thatare happening.
I did also, I, I was thinking about that comment that you said
of every time there's a new companion, we have to kind of
learn the steps again and the rules of the world.
And I felt like we had a lot of that, that repetition in this
episode, right, of him telling her where he's from and how he's
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the last one and that they have to get changed.
And then they, like you said, run up the ramp.
And it was kind of like a lot ofsimilar beats I think that we've
seen already. Yeah, well, this is in,
remember. So this is right off of the
heels of the first episode, right?
Because they got into the TARDIS, they tried to go to May
the 24th. They couldn't.
They're bouncing back. So she's still in her same
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outfit. So this is right immediately
after that. So they don't really know each
other. And that is one of the things,
right? It's like us as audience
members, like we're going to hear this thing again.
But it's always, I think it's always interesting of how much
he's going to reveal and when hereveals it, because he doesn't
really reveal a lot of who he isor he's from Gallifrey and stuff
like that, until there's a big emotional part, right, until he
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has to become 3D, give himself more depth.
But I did like the comment of when he said, you know, where he
was insinuating where he was from.
And Belinda was like Time Lordia.
It's like, that could have worked.
Yeah. Yeah, I think.
So, and I think this episode, the beginning of it is, is
setting up more of our overarching plot, which is
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trying to get Belinda back to May 24th, 2025, right?
So this starts with him creatingthis thing called a vindicator,
which is going to act as sort ofan anchor and pull them towards
that point in time, but they have to make stops along the
way. Like a fishing line.
Yes, exactly. I mean, did that work for you?
The introduction of this new thing.
It's fine. I would be surprised if it comes
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back, but I'm I would be not surprised if it doesn't.
That's the thing with Doctor Who.
It's like he's just going to make this gadget or this thing
and it will work and then we'll never see it again.
It's just like a a thing. Yeah, it was funny because he
built it. They brought it outside when
they landed in Miami and then hethrew it back in the TARDIS and
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that was it like. Well, this episode does a really
good thing. So along with the overall like
trying to get her back and they can't get her back right, the
Doctor is trying to keep Belindawith him.
She has a mystery. He can't help himself.
Just like here, there's a mystery with the theater being
locked up and a bunch of people went missing at once.
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Can't help himself. He convinces her and not
manipulates, but kind of manipulates her into staying
there even though they got what they needed from the Vindicator
and they could have left. So what I like about Anshuti's
doctor is that we're always thinking that he's always going
to be big and nice and always open, but there's moments where
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he's hiding things and he's manipulating.
And that's the part of the doctor that's scary because he
can do that. And that very it it mirrors a
little bit to the end of the first episode where Belinda
calls him out and he thought he could have manipulated her or
like, oh, I just took your DNAI scanned you.
It's fine. And she's like, that's not OK.
And there's a look he gives where he's just like, oh, OK, so
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this is so she's going to push back at me.
So I thought it was interesting that he used humor.
He tried a different way, not tomanipulate her but to keep her
there. And it worked with this
Scooby-doo comment, you know. I think this doctor, you know,
that the manipulation side is really scary, but I also think
that there's a part of this doctor that's just so sad and
lonely that he's willing to kindof do whatever he can.
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I mean, not in a very evil way, but just to keep someone close
to him. He, you know, as we know, all
these doctors, they've they always lose people in their
lives. People are always disappearing
from them and so. Sasha, 55.
Yes, exactly. I mean, six months, he was so
attached and then she died rightaway.
So I think that this doctor is always trying to just keep
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people with him because he doesn't want to be alone.
But there's almost a piece of him that can't admit that he
feels lonely. I'm loving that you're picking
up on this, right, because this is going to be like the second
time that you're really watchingDoctor Who, aside from the ones
that I've made you watch like blink.
But this that is the Doctor, like this is the things that
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make the Doctor Who the Doctor is.
And they are very lonely. They're the last of their
people. Granted, in some storylines,
they're these people have come back, but then he's lost them
again. But it's always like, is the
Doctor doing this for themselves?
Is the Doctor doing it to actually help?
Which yes, the Doctor is always helping, but there's always the
thing of they need to confront the reality of what they're
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doing to the people that he allows in the TARDIS or they
allow in the TARDIS. So I love that you're picking up
on that. That's amazing.
I'm looking at it with intention.
But I am interested to see what,because there is a mystery of
Belinda, but how far is that going to go?
Because I think in the first episode when we were talking
about it, I think it's going to work as long as she doesn't
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constantly blame him, which after this, I don't think that
she's going to blame him for nottaking her back.
But I think that she's always going to be wary of like, are we
actually doing the goal or are we having fun?
So there's always this trust that the companions have to give
to the Doctor where you're pushing buttons and turning
things and, I don't know, makingnoises.
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I guess we're doing what we needto do.
The thing is shaking, so that must mean something.
Hardly any companion knows how to fly the TARDIS, and that's
probably on purpose. There needs to be a manual for
them, I think something to let them know, have them a little
more, a little more control of the situation.
But you know, I wonder if towards the end of the season,
there's going to be some discovery of where she is going
to realize that maybe they couldhave gone straight back and they
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didn't need to make all these stops.
And she'll be mad. Because, you know, one of the
things that I had pointed out inEpisode 1 was that I liked that
she was pushing back against himand that she wasn't just the
happy go lucky companion who waswilling to go on these
adventures. And I felt like, man, that
really subsided quickly because like you said, this takes place
immediately after the first episode.
And already he's like, well, we're here.
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You might as well get put on a pretty dress.
And she's like, oh, OK, that sounds like fun.
Well, I think there is that bit of charm, right, That I mean,
I'm time traveling. Yeah, I'm kind of curious.
I do want to see it a little bit.
And also outfits like, sure. So I that's part of the thing
that manipulates the companion alittle bit, even if they're
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reluctant of like, yo, when elsewill you be in the 50s in Miami?
True, but you know what they sayabout curiosity.
It sure did kill the cat, Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I do think
Belinda is going to realize something or she will always
have that of like, no, we need to do the job because in this
episode she does a little bit. So they get out of the TARDIS
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and she's like, cool, OK, let's go.
And he's like, but there's like literally like Caretaker with
the creepy theater and she's like, OK, Velma, let's go, you
know. So I think she'll play along,
but how far will it go? Because the next episode is, I
don't even think it takes place on Earth.
It might take place on Earth, but like, I don't know.
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It's going to be interesting to see how far along they go with
it. But so let's let's go to Miami,
right, 1950s Miami. What did you feel about this
set? Because it all takes place in
one area, which I always love when Doctor Who does that.
It's like they built the set. We're staying.
Yeah. I like that.
I mean, it had very much that feeling of like, this is a set
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of a place in time, right? It was like perfectly curated
for that's in time. There's a 50s diner, there's a
50s movie house, and there's a street.
And that's all you need to know.But I think that what Doctor Who
does is that especially with ourpair, they put them in a place
in time where it could be uncomfortable for them.
So it's almost lucky for them that it's in the middle of the
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night, right? Because segregation exists in
1952 Miami, and Miami has a history with segregation.
There were literal walls built to separate black people from
white people, the two communities.
And those walls still exist in Miami.
So it's something that is there as a reminder of their very sad
past in this country. Hopefully it stays very sad
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past, but I think that it does agood job of reminding them that
people who lived in this time weren't able to be as free as
maybe they are now. This kind of story I was
interested in if they were goingto touch on, because this is the
first like TARDIS team with people of color, like like
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exclusively with people of color, which is crazy to think
in this a long period of time that we've had, the people of
color that have been in the TARDIS is very, very slim.
But so to have that and then also in the first season within
Shooty and then the season priorwith Jodie Whittaker, so being a
woman and now being a black queer man, were those stories
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going to be confronted? And I like that the Doctor is
confronted with that of like, oh, I've never had to like feel
that way, feel like I wasn't welcome somewhere or because I
was always a white man, you know.
So having a story like this and then making sure it's like, no,
this was the time period. Like this is is what happens.
And I like that we're kind of like in Belinda's shoes of like,
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oh, what do you mean? Like, what?
What? Oh, there's segregation.
Like, oh, I like, I thought I was in this fantasy, right?
It's like, no, this is still real, right?
You know, even the diner being segregated.
But I like that Tommy Lee's mom was like, I'll talk to him.
It's interesting because there'salso a moment there where
Belinda is, is obviously and andobviously should be upset about
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this revelation, but the doctor's like, all right, well,
I've conquered worlds. I've been in wars, this is the
least of my trouble. Yeah, he says something.
He says something along the lines of I've toppled world.
Sometimes I wait for people to topple them.
Till then, I just shine so good.I mean, it's unfortunate, right?
But it's like, I think that's really much saying like this is
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this is something that happens in this time, you know?
Until then, I'm going to do whatI can.
Yeah, welcome to the universes, Yeah.
It's bad. And I I did like the line that
he he added where he's talking about the segregation.
He's like, and that includes you.
Yes. He's like, you know, it's it's
black people, white people is like, but you're included and
that because you're just not white, which I think is
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important, important whenever you're doing a story like this
to be like, yeah, this is how insanely racist this time period
was. That kind of carries over when
they go into the movie theater, right?
And it's like, I know this is a segregated space, but like, I'm
here to help, you know? I also think that by landing in
1952 Miami, there's also anotherstoryline here that's spoken by
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very quickly is that when they're looking at the movie
sign, it's a Rock Hudson movie. It's a movie that they made-up.
It's not a real Rock Hudson movie, but I.
Was going to ask. I was like, I don't think that's
a real. They just did it so the letters
could fall off. I could spell Harbinger.
Because I was going to be like, great, They picked the one Rock
Hudson one where? It's Bill Harbinger.
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Yeah. But well, as as maybe if you
don't know, Rock Hudson was a very famous heartthrob actor
from the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s, and he was a
closeted gay man and unfortunately died of AIDS.
And so they have a little conversation about that where
Belinda says, yeah, we studied him when I was in my nursing
program. And so again, this is a
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commentary on how being gay was something that wasn't accepted
even if you were a Hollywood star, and how the people around
you would keep those secrets foryou.
And so as we know, you know, this is a queer Dr. And he even
asks Belinda. He says, you know, do you have
anyone at home? And there's nothing specified,
but it's an open thing of not being like, well, do you have a
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boyfriend? It's just, do you have someone
at home? Right.
Or like who's your mom and dad? Like putting genders to the to
the parents, which again, they're always conscious of
that. And I did like that Belinda
could make that connection with Rock Hudson and be like, Oh
yeah, he was mentioned in our AIDS prevention course.
And when we were, I was studyingthese details, while they're sad
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and they're things that have happened, but I like that
they're making the world again, feel real because these are real
things. And reminding you that like,
this isn't like an alternate timeline.
This is our timeline. And it's also like, how
uncomfortable can we make the doctor?
How many of his identities can we just oppress in this moment?
Not in this one St. Yeah, exactly 1 tiny St.
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Oh boy. But I do want to shout out
before we like move on from the diner person.
I didn't catch their name. I don't really know if they had
a name, but Queen spilling the tea.
Yes, maybe Lucas. That does sound familiar, right?
He was great. He was up in all the business,
he knew everything, he had the T.
He was like, girl, you got to get in there, 'cause Reginald's
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in there maybe. OK, let's talk about the
animated elephant in the room. OK, so ring a Ding I oh so good.
Everything about this character from Alan Cumming doing amazing
singing and voice work, which islike it's funny to think like
this is Alan Cumming. There's very few words whenever
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they were talking where I was like this is Alan coming because
they do such a good job of disguising their voice and
embodying this character. But what did you think of ring a
Ding this? It was like creepy.
The did the animation work for you?
I loved Mr. Ring a Ding, I thought, and like you said, Alan
Cummings portrayal is amazing. I'm so you know, we've been
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recently watching him in the traitors, which is such a
different type of character thathe's playing and you know, and
he says that's not really me. That's the character is it
though? He says I'm playing that very,
you know, turned up Alan for thetraitors.
And so this is so in the other direction.
And I loved this idea of Mr. Ring a Ding taking this, you
know, wholesome character and then making him evil.
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I kept trying to picture in my head, what would it be like to
see an animated character with me, you know?
So that was that would definitely be something creepy.
I think it's one of the, it's hard to imagine, right, because
it's 2D, but whatever perspective you're at, you're
seeing that flat 2D part. I don't know, Like, I mean, we
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can see the movies, but I think trying to actually picture it, I
don't know, like it's like, I know this is a 3D space.
I can't fathom like a 2D thing. So I do think they did a really
good job. It looked amazing.
I wish there was more animation part.
Even whenever they get captured and put into the film I wish
there was just more of the animation.
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Like it made me think like an anime to Doctor Who show could
be kind of cool. Now.
Would you want it to be an adulttone animated show or a kids
toned animated show? Keep the same tone.
I mean, it could learn more Torchwood, which Torchwood was
very much like the Buffy ish feel where it still felt
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innocent, but like it was a little more sexy, a little more
edge. So like, I could deal with that,
but I don't want it to be like adult, you know, that would just
completely lose the feeling of Doctor Who.
But I thought the introduction to Ring a Ding was really
creepy. The tap dancing, that freaked me
out. But then I started losing it a
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little bit. I think the story with Reginald
and him having to be there to feed Lux with movies and stuff
like that because of his wife, because Lux brought his wife
back. I thought that was really
compelling and I really liked that.
And those are the short little tiny moments of Doctor Who where
it's like, you really made me feel for this character in like
2 seconds. But I think Lux as a character,
(21:12):
this episode felt too short. It felt too short in the way of
like, it could have had a secondpart, like we have a new
Pantheon member, right? And if you look at between the
Devil's Court and Lux, while they're both very inventive and
unique and great casts, I think Devil's Court did more of
fleshing out who that Pantheon member was and really doing a
(21:34):
start to finish, right? And being like, oh, maybe we'll
see him again. This one, it almost just felt
easy. It felt too quick and Lux really
wasn't in it too much. So like, I liked it, but I
wanted more. Or just like not as like
confusing or convoluted of an explanation.
But easy. Well, that it's funny because I
(21:56):
had the opposite thought. I thought this could have been
shorter and maybe if it was shorter than it could have been
two parts, because sometimes in a Doctor Who episode, there's
just one too many ingredients and it ruins it, right?
It becomes too salty or too sweet or whatever.
And it's just like, like you said, it lost me.
It was like, I think we needed to just stay in the film, right?
(22:19):
Rather than although that there was that fun 4th wall break
where they're with those fans onthe outside and they learn that
they're ATV show. It felt like why is this
happening other than them telling them how to defeat Lux?
Like they could have figured that out on their own.
Well, this episode is interesting in itself because
we've we saw photos of this episode.
(22:42):
This is there. I think there's a shot with the
Doctor and Belinda. It was released during the first
season where they're running away from the theater and you
could see Lux. And that's how we knew that
Verado was coming back and goingto be a companion.
So like, we knew this episode was happening and there was like
hints and rumors and I think intentional leaks of like the
(23:02):
doctors in ATV show. And I'm, I think it's all just
kind of like leading to this. But again, yeah, it, it, it was
just too much. It was almost too much in one
episode. But also like, I know I'm, I'm
confused if there was a harbinger with Lux.
I think Lux itself just confusedme on like, OK, you're the God
of light, but like, what does that mean?
(23:24):
Like, why were you only at night?
Was it because then you would beeverything and anything?
But if you're the God of light, how are you not during the day?
I just think like, I don't know it.
Like I need more. Maybe they'll come back, which I
hope they do because the pantheon, I would assume, would
come back in some way. Yeah, it was a little a lot.
(23:45):
A lot. I think that they really could
have leaned into that Scooby-dooaspect of the episode, kept them
animated, and then have like animated violence, fighting,
right? Figure out how to fight Lux as a
cartoon character, Like Big Hammer out of the pocket, bash
him over the head, things like that.
The only time that the Doctor actually does violence is just
(24:06):
cartoon. Violence, right?
I think that that is the direction they should have gone
in. Really make it a scooby-doo
episode. That would have been really fun.
Yeah, what did you think about the Doctor Who fan part?
I mean, I thought it was kind oftrue to life, right, Of people
being obsessed with the show andloving Blink.
Blink is the only episode anyoneremembers.
And I thought that was funny, but it kind of was like, I
(24:30):
thought it was clever, but then it was like, they weren't real,
but then they were real. So is Doctor Who in his universe
really ATV show or is he not ATVshow?
I almost wish that like I did like the scene of the The Who
fans and our companion and Doctor with the Doctor Who logo
on the TVI thought that was a really like wild image to see as
like a long time fan of the show.
(24:52):
I almost wish because it was ourlogo.
I wish they would have like useda fake in universe logo because
it almost took me out because itwas too meta.
I think. Does that make sense?
Yeah, like I, I like I think it was OK.
Let me try to like put this intothoughts.
I think the mocking of fans in afun way was fun, but then it
(25:14):
flipped a little quickly and then it was like, don't you know
the ending? I, I don't know, it just like
felt. Are you guys trying to be cheeky
or like? But there's a story part to this
so it was really quick. And it also did one of those
things that I personally have trouble with with Doctor Who,
where it tried to make us cry over these characters, but we'd
(25:37):
never met before, who we literally only know for three
minutes. Well, also, it's like supposed
to be us, but like, you made funof me.
Yeah, in the first bit of it, which is fine.
I don't mind because yeah, we'rethe worst and like, RIP Doctor
Who, but I'm not on that side. But yeah, I think that them
trying to make us feel bad, I'm like, no, like that one.
(25:59):
I just kind of was like, it's fine.
You don't. It didn't really work for me.
Like being sad about them. I do think that them all saying
blank is hilarious, but a true Doctor Who fan would have said
something like Heaven Sent or Waters of Mars or Girl in the
fireplace. You know, like.
So he's saying that fake, they're fake fans.
They're. Fake fans, which I think Blink
(26:20):
is always at the top of everybody's list, but like
really real fans. I did think it was kind of when
the Doctor, and I don't know if it's just because it's this
Doctor, but when they were saying what their favorite
episode was, The Doctor was onlysaying in shooty episodes, which
I was like, Oh, that's interesting.
(26:41):
Like you're not mentioning Heaven said, you know what I
mean? Like you could have mentioned
any other ones, but it's like, what about the one on the bomb?
What about this one? I was like, oh.
Weird. I think it's it's this doctor's
pride of being like, why are my episodes not your favorite?
But yeah, I I think that's what it was.
But I was just more like hmm. And then how did he know that
those are the episodes? Because we always talk about the
adventures in between the episodes, but he only mentioned
(27:03):
episodes. Don't think about it too much.
It's all starting to fall. Apart, yeah, yeah, but I I
thought it was fun I think them trying to figure out how to get
out of the film was really fun pulling the frames, stopping the
frames. This is coming out right around
Easter so I think there was verymuch like an Easter part in this
episode where you have the doctor literally strung up like
(27:25):
this light coming through them. Jesus.
You have Tommy Lee's mom saying like, it's been 3 months.
And so three days, three months,he came back.
I'm like. So he is our God.
Yeah, I see what you're doing. Yeah, I think Lex Imperator
getting defeated with being likeconsumed by a bunch of light was
fine. I think the imagery was really
(27:48):
cool. Just saying like ring a Dane,
get bigger and bigger and biggeruntil they're everywhere and
anywhere. Literally becoming a God I
thought was fine. I thought that was a very like
Doctor Who thing to do. But yeah, it just makes me
wonder. I'm like, this could have been 2
episodes, like the shortening ofthe season themselves and also
the episodes. I'm feeling it a little bit in
(28:09):
some of these particular stories, but maybe we'll see
them again at the end of the season.
I don't know who's the big bad is for this, but yeah, I could
see the toy maker or Maestro coming back.
I'd love that, honestly. Well, I mean, Speaking of the
big bad and so on that we saw again who is in 1952 Miami
(28:29):
misses Flood. Yeah, And she was like, yeah,
you guys want to see a real show?
Look at this. I you know, she's freaking me
out, man. She's always everywhere.
She's always, I don't know. She's she's always there at the
end of the thing always being like, hey, guys, we're like, I I
can't figure it out. I have no idea.
I think Susan Twist was like, this is weird.
(28:52):
Why are we always seeing her? But we're seeing but Missus
Flood is doing the same exact thing, but like in a weird
bigger way. Well, it's like Susan Twist was
a different version of her beingin that universe where that this
is the same Missus Flood and nowwe know that she can travel
through time much like a TARDIS can.
(29:14):
Is she hanging on it like Suitek?
Part of me thinks that she's attached to the TARDIS in some
way, like she has to be, becausehow is she there?
And also, if she did say something like it all ends on
the 24th of May, so we have a date, right?
Like that's a big thing that's happening.
I, I don't know, I, it would make it seem like she's attached
(29:34):
to the TARDIS in some way. The TARDIS has been sentient in
some stories, but I don't think they'll go that route.
Is she some sort of time God or something like that?
She has to be. She has to be some Pantheon
member or some Time Lord of somesort, but I don't know.
I mean, and with that phrase that she says is is it possible
(29:56):
that Belinda can't get back to that date because she doesn't
make it to that date. She dies before that date.
And that's a reason why maybe, Imean, has there ever, I'm not
that you might not know this, but has there ever been a time
where the Doctor and his companion can't get back to a
specific date? I mean, no, like, yes and no,
(30:16):
not to this extent, not to whereit wasn't figured out in an
episode, you know. So this is definitely like, I
don't know why they can't get back there.
Maybe because nothing exists. But then something has to exist
past that date because we go to the future on Earth, you know?
So I don't know. I think, I have no idea.
I think it's still early to tellwhat this possibly could be, but
(30:38):
Misses Flood is. Yeah, she's she's interesting.
I'm still not sure. I think at the end of Season 1,
where we saw her in all white and everything, it's like, oh,
she she's kind of resembling some old villains.
But I think she's doing that on purpose.
So I don't know. I think we're in for some more
mysteries. The next one.
I'm quite excited for the well. So yeah, let us know what you
(31:02):
thought of flux. Did it work for you?
Did it not work for you? What did you think of Ring?
A Ding, a Mr. Ring. I also like his catch phrase.
Don't make me laugh. Oh my, when the giggle.
As soon as that happened I went so scary.
It was a fun character, I just think they didn't take make some
the right choices with it. Yeah, I wish Lex was in it more.
(31:23):
And also it was like, I liked the Doctor Who explanation of
like, by chance the sunlight hitthe spoon and then it hit the
the projector light and it gave life.
I love that because it's like, yeah, it's who, whatever.
Yeah, that works. That's fine, yeah.
But let us know. Comment below.
Were you living for Lux? What do you think of our pair
and their beautiful costumes? Bye.
(31:49):
I'm like, you can't leave them like that.
Bye.
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