September 6, 2025 • 35 mins
The Conjuring: Last Rites is finally here so we're revisiting The Conjuring 1, 2, and 3! On the menu: How James Wan and The Conjuring movies changed horror, Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga’s portrayals as Ed and Lorraine Warren, favorite demonic characters, how we rank the three movies, and more!Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=44878998
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(00:00) - Intro
(01:05) - General Thoughts
(09:09) - Do You Believe In It?
(15:15) - Patrick Wilson & Vera Farmiga & The Families
(26:24) - Standout Moments
(30:14) - What We Want From ’Last Rites’
(33:32) - The Conjuring Movies Ranked
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Hey friends, welcome to a bite of On today's episode, we're
talking about The Conjuring, 1-2and three.
That's right friends, we are starting spooky season early.
Although I feel like when Starbucks releases pumpkin spice
latte, it's officially fallen spooky season.
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Whatever the 80° today begs to differ.
Very true. Yeah, very true.
I'm excited to revisit The Conjuring movies.
We've had The Conjuring in our lives since what, 2010?
Been a while, and it's finally ending with the 4th, the Last
rites. That's right.
Oh, James Juan, your universe has expanded and now it's coming
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to an end. No, revisiting stuff is always
fun. But before we summon the spirits
of The Conjuring, make sure you're following us.
Make sure you're subscribed, make sure you're leaving a
review, make sure you're leavinga comment.
Make sure you have all those demons under your house.
OK, spoiler alert, if you haven't seen any of The
Conjuring, 1-2 and three, we're not going to talk about the
extended universe most, but justbe warned that, you know, we
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don't want to be haunted from your spoilers.
I'm really trying. Yeah, yeah, just.
You know what? Let it happen.
When the ghosts come, they come.So let us officially take a bite
of The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2 Directed by James
Wan and The Conjuring. The Devil Made Me Do It,
Directed by Michael Chavez. The Perrins, Hodgkins and
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Glatzels turn to Paranormal TeamEd and Lorraine Warren when they
experience otherworldly demonic possessions that are hell bent
on destroying their lives. Based on the true stories.
Of Ed and Lorraine wore. All right, so the first
conjuring came out in 2013, the second one in 2016, and The
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Conjuring the Devil Made me Do it 2021.
When I said 2010, I think I was thinking of Insidious, which is
also James Wan. Well, that's kind of where it
started. Patrick Wilson.
Absolutely. That's where that duo came to
be. So as far as The Conjuring in
2013, did you see it in theaters?
What do you remember from it? Yes, yes.
It's really funny because I think when we started a rewatch,
I was like, oh, let me watch thetrailer.
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I love watching trailers from around this time period because
this was one of the last like years or so where trailers told
you the entire movie and it was,it was verging on like out of in
a world, but it still gave you 3minutes of the entire plot.
And The Conjuring was like that.So it's just, it was fun to go
back to a movie from this time period even though it's not that
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long. But movies are made differently
now. I liked it a lot.
I remember seeing it in theaters.
I've seen every Conjuring in theaters except for The Devil
Made Me Do It, but the 4th one we're going to see in theaters
so this is fun. It will continue.
Yeah, James Wan did something interesting with these and that
yes, they were scary, yes they were dark, but they were
accessible to everybody. And with the core being Ed and
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Lorraine, I think was just a chemist or a recipe to really
for success. Yeah, I, so my first run in with
The Conjuring was actually JamesWan was at New York Comic Con
the year before it actually released.
And he was there to talk about it.
And nobody really knew what it was about what was going on.
They just knew him really from Insidious and his past works.
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So I decided to sit on this big thing with an interview with
him. And then they showed a small
clip. And the clip that they showed
was the the game, the clap and hidden clap with the mom.
And of course, they ended it right when she's at the top of
the stairs and the hands come out from behind her and clap.
The entire crowd lost their minds.
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It just was like, I couldn't wait to see it.
And then when I saw the movie, absolutely didn't disappoint.
I think that what James Wan doesso well, so he was part of the
team that wrote one and two, he also helped Storyboard 3.
And what he does so well is create these families that we
care for, right? And so the parent family and
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their one of their five daughters, you can't help but
care for them. He does such a good job of
setting them up, setting up the time period.
And then the warrants come in and you love them too.
And so it's so interesting to watch a horror movie, but to
truly care about all the characters that are in them.
That's a good making of a, a good storyteller to begin with.
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What's really interesting about The Conjuring movies, and there
are some movies that do this right.
But what's we're fortunate enough to have multiples of
these movies is you have Ed and Lorraine and you have a family
and you have things that happen and they come and try to help,
right? It almost feels like a
serialized movie or a serializedshow in a way of like you have
the family, you have the kids, you have the Warrens.
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So it's it's you know what to expect, but you don't know
what's going to happen. So that's the fun part about it,
right? And it's so rooted in real
stories that it just gives you that extra layer of like creep
factor that I think works reallywell.
One of the things that I really,really, really appreciate from
The Conjuring and Insidious, I feel like, you know, he
obviously did some interesting things in both of them is that
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the expectations of jump scares were changed a little bit in The
Conjuring. And specifically one that I
think about is in the room, in the girls room when she's
opening up that armoire and you think something's going to come
out of it. There's just a few extra beats
after it where you're like, oh, they messed with us.
But really the monsters on top of the armoire.
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So they play with those expectations a lot in these this
franchise, and I love that so much because you don't know
what's going to happen. Yeah, I think another really
good example of that in the first Kind Ring movie is when
Christine, Joey King's charactergets her leg pulled really hard
and she says to her older sister, there's something behind
the door, and you're expecting to see something behind the
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door. But it almost makes it scarier
that we're not Privy to seeing what Joey King's character sees.
I mean, we do get a big door slam after that, which is so
scary, but what was there? Yeah.
What did she see? Yeah.
I, I, I really like it a lot. I think the, it's, it's such a
vibe. I hate using that word, but I
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love using that word because I think it describes things
perfectly. When you can't really describe
something and he just sets such a good atmosphere.
The whole team does, right? I just love the feeling of, and
I'm putting this more in like modern terms or what more
people, if you haven't seen The Conjuring, it's like the
Haunting of Hill House. Like you have the family unit
and they're haunted by things, right?
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That's very much like every single installment of The
Conjuring. And it's, it's a familial
feeling. But I love that Ed and Lorraine
Warren are the center of this because you get bits and pieces
of them. You kind of see their history.
I can't remember which one it was.
Was it the third one maybe whereyou get a glimpse of the young
Ed and Lorraine? A gazebo, Yes.
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And that little tiny moment, I'mlike, fulfilled, you know?
But it's so cool. And I like that.
He centered it around these two real figures, but gave them more
of a storyline and more of like these are movie stars in a way.
Sure. Yeah.
I, you know, there's something to be said about the first two
Conjuring movies in particular that truly unsettles me because
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these families are trying to have this home, this place where
they're supposed to be able to feel safe, but in reality,
they're trapped there by, by thespirits.
And they kind of the key to unlocking that are Ed and
Lorraine, right? They are these tried and true
experts. And although they too are scared
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of what's going on, they know more about it.
And so they have the wherewithalto take a step back and figure
out how to solve this issue. And so they really are the
connection of the three films, right?
And having them there and visiting different families, it,
it makes all the films differentenough that it doesn't feel like
you're seeing the same thing over and over again.
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Well, they're really the the core characters of it, right?
And it's really interesting whenyou're watching these movies and
there's a good like 30 minutes typically in the beginning half
of the movie where it's not about them.
They come in and you know, when they get settled into the
whatever haunted place or aroundthe person, shit's going to go
down, right? It just gets way more like James
Wan where it's like creepy, but like action Y and just like what
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is happening. And I like that because it it
doesn't really focus on them so much to where you want more and
there's still mystery behind them, but you love them
relentlessly, them. And Judy, of course, Judy.
You know, it's, it's interestingbecause after seeing the first
one, in my mind, the parents were the main characters of the
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film. And then when the second one
came around, I, I realized, oh, wait, they're while they are the
main characters of that film, they're not the main characters
of the franchise, right? And it is Ed and Lorraine Warren
and the fact that it is based onthese real people that really
went to these places and helped these families.
You know, it makes you think a lot, especially on this sort of
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rewatch as a revisit and and thinking about it for the
podcast, you take a step back and you think, you know, what's
first of all, what parts are added for the movie, right?
Get that? But which parts are real and do
you believe it? Oh, no, I knew this question was
going to come. I don't know.
You know, I'm always and foreverwill be a skeptic.
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I'm the type of person like I need proof, you know, that's
just how I am growing a very religious household.
It just made me more of like a let me question this, you know,
but seeing stuff like this and like in these movies, always the
credits it has like either audiorecordings or like actual images
of some of these cases. It makes you think like
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interesting. Is there something?
And if there is something, who'sto say which part is what?
You know? So it's it's scary to think
about. Part of me feels like it's
comforting, thinking ish that there's like something after.
But it's also not comforting when it's like, is this what's
after? If I die in my chair in the
corner, am I gonna be used as a pawn for some creepy nun to
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terrorize a family? Yeah.
So it is scary. I don't know.
I feel like you're a little morespiritual than I am.
Yeah. But does that spirituality also
go to like ghosts and stuff? Well, yeah, it's, it's an
interesting journey. I've started listening to a book
called The Demonologist, which is about Ed and Lorraine Warren.
And it has a lot of just like first hand accounts from them
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and, and conversations with them.
And one of the things that they said today was that they said
today that I listened to today was that really only you're only
trapped here if your spirit feels like it doesn't.
It has unfinished business. They're a place to go.
Yeah, they kind of touch on thatin the movies, right?
Like, I mean, specifically with the older man and the second
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one. But it almost feels like some of
the stuff happens to the families because they're either
like they've almost invited it in unknowingly when they're like
in the second one, her husband had left.
So she's very like depressed andshe's trying to do everything
for her family. The first one, it's like they're
kind of like they can't leave and they just walked into this
haunting, right? And the third one's like that
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too. So it's interesting to think of
that like the spirits can't really go anywhere, but also
these people are stuck in the place.
Well, part of their theory is that if you are in a similar
state as the spirit, then it will latch on to you.
So good for you. You're like a little
demonologist over here. Warrens Watch.
Out, yes. But so for me, I think the thing
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that I struggle with most, it's funny, I really do lean into it.
I do, you know, think that ghosts and things like that are
real. I think that there is some basis
to truth because my gosh, if this is a hoax, they really went
hard to try and do this, which is like, I don't know, the way
they're painted in these movies,it doesn't seem like they're
swindlers in any way. Right.
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I would be really interested to look more into them, right,
because I think we can romanticize the Warrens,
especially with Vera and PatrickWilson, you know, portraying
them because share those, too. And we love them to death.
But yeah, I would be interested because I think we had kind of
briefly talked about it. Like, I mean, it didn't seem
like in the movies at least theytalked about payment in any way.
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Like, how do they get paid? Do they do it when they go do
their seminars and teach classesand stuff like that?
Or like, is there a secret? Like, does the church pay them?
It was very interesting because I feel like when money is
exchanged, then we can be like, interesting they're doing it for
a job and not because they want to help.
Yeah. Part of it though is that back
in the 60s and 70s you could probably live on one part time
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paycheck and be totally fine. Well, the minimum wage hasn't
changed, so wow. But I think my thing that I kind
of struggle with most is that there seems to have to be a
balance, right? With the evil comes to good and
their version of good is Catholicism, right?
They use the Bible as a weapon. They use a cross as a weapon.
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And So what does that mean? If you believe in one, does that
mean you have to believe in the other?
At least for the Warrens, it seems that way because that
truly was their shield. Their weaponry against these
spirits was their faith in Christianity.
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
I mean, I think like this. This is where it gets a little
like this loses me almost in like the actual religious and
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spiritual part. To me, what I see that as like
totally fine. Believe what you want to
believe. I'm nowhere near a expert in any
in any of the stuff. But to me it's like if this
stuff was to exist, right? And say like there is bad and
good and there's some type of balance or whatever.
I think like maybe that's what it is.
And we as humans just like gender and age and time and all
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of these things, we've made social constructs around these
things. So like, who's to say Whatever
light version there is that, it's called Catholicism, right?
It's like there's just that force and there's this force,
right? I read a lot of like high
fantasy and lot of like sci-fi mixed with fantasy and a lot of
those things. Sometimes when it comes to like
spirituality, I just read Catabsis by RF Kwong.
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And a lot of it is like all of the religions exist and they all
can exist simultaneously at the same time, but they're just
different things. So I like to think that way of
of it. And it's like, that's just the
protection that the Warrens use,right?
I think it's interesting. Yeah, I appreciate that view of
it. I mean, there's a part of me
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that's just like, well, that's fine.
They can be, you know, Christians or Catholic or or
whatever their their specific faith is.
But are they homophobes? That's that's what I need to
know. That's what I need to know, yes.
But I feel like they wouldn't be, you know, there's no way
that Lorraine Laura Warren, Lorraine Warren, I'm having a
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hard time with her name right now dressed like that.
And it wasn't for the gays. Just a little bit, just a little
bit. Yet not one homosexual in any of
these movies. I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. That's not true.
I think in the third one, those two girls, the one that killed
the other. One, yeah, that's.
True, I think they were. They were little nature
lesbians. Yeah, nature lesbians.
Yeah, I think they were nature lesbians, Boo.
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That was sad, but as far as Patrick Wilson and Vera
Farminger's portrayal of the warrant?
Movie, Yeah. I think that I love them.
It makes you I think that they make you believe the love story.
They make you believe the strength between the two
characters and the connection. You know, I was just like
towards at the end of the third one, you know, watching them
like two days, three days in a row, However long it took us.
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You realize how many times they're just screaming each
other's names. Yes, I wanted Ed and Lorraine
count I feel. Like their entire script, at
least four or five pages, is like Ed Lorraine.
Yeah. Just constantly, like, stop,
you're doing too much. Yeah, yeah.
Especially the third one. I feel like that's like, yes,
they were both not great. Their health was declining.
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Spirits were coming in it. Was a lot the the more like
pompadour Ed's hair gets the worst health.
Lorraine's hair. The third.
One, it just went whoop. Oh yeah, straight back old.
Yeah. That's the image we know of her.
Yes, yeah, exactly. I like the is there like a
family? Because we're going to rank
these right before we see the 4th one.
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We do have a review of the 4th 1coming out.
We just wanted to like revisit these before we got to the end
of them. Is there a families story that
you particularly like? Not necessarily movie, but like,
is there a family you're more drawn to than the other?
I don't know if it's just because I have such a soft spot
for the first movie. I love it so much.
I've watched, like for me to watch a horror movie over and
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over and over again, it, it means something, right?
So the parents are my family. There's something about them
that I'm just so drawn to. Just this middle class family
trying their hardest to start over, to have the life that
they've always dreamed of. And then, you know, fucking
Bathsheba takes over. Literally walk into a house
infested with ghosts. OK.
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So Noah and I were having this conversation, the Warrens
greatest adversary doors. Yes.
Apparently demons also hate dogs.
Yes, well, we were talking so with the families and just
sorry, no, no, no, no. Yeah, the the families.
I think the Hodges I'm a little more drawn to, and it's mostly
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because of the scene with Patrick Wilson singing Elvis to
them that just really touched me.
And yeah, I was just like, it's amazing.
But I just, I think like, that was the most human.
I felt like some of the familieswere, not to say the first one
wasn't, but to me, I was just like, oh, OK.
Like I feel for this family. But we were talking about like
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the body count, right? In these movies and the first
and second one, there's really nobody that dies from the
families. But Sadie dies in the first one.
She's like the only casualty in this.
And in the second one, Brew, what's his name?
Brutus maybe or something The the Rottweiler from the
neighbors turns into the CrookedMan.
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Yeah. But he comes back at the end,
which is good. But I don't trust that.
I think he's a crooked man. He's real crooked.
Where'd the Crooked Man go back to that?
Dog in the dog. He's a transformer.
Dog's heart, Yeah. I don't understand why the demon
needed to kill. Sadie because it gets that
reaction. That's for the audience, right?
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That's for us to hate automatically put the adversary
and its place, right? In the Warren world, to destroy
that piece of the family, to make them all depressed makes
them all weaker. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
It would make me weaker. Yeah, that happened to me when I
moved into a house 10 years ago.My dog died.
Oh. My God, you're haunted.
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I'm sure. Let's not get into that now.
So talking about, so we've talked about the families, we've
talked about the Warrens a little bit, right?
And I particularly like this is just a side note.
I particularly like the third one.
And this is just going to go into my ranking later because we
get a little more of the skepticview and we get a little more of
like the world view of the Warrens.
And I really appreciated that because I think the first two
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paint them as like these untouchable.
They're great. And while that's cool, I like
having that little Gray area putinto there and that those
questions come. Up, you know, something I was
surprised of is that I was just do I wanted to see some like
interviews of them. So I went on YouTube and I just
typed Ed and Lorraine Warren andthe first thing that like most
of the videos that showed up were hoax fakes, you know, and
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so it was interesting to me thaton you like just in like general
on YouTube, the first thing wasn't real life interviews.
It was actually people talking about how they thought they were
fake. Interesting.
I mean, maybe that's just because of the movies and stuff
like that. Like they just kind of like
that's what brought those searches up.
Like, are they real? Were they real?
Well, maybe people need to have faith and love them that it's.
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Real so we've talked about the families we talked about this
the the unfortunate circumstances of the pooches and
the horns let's talk about the ghosts the entities right the
first one Annabelle makes an appearance there's an Annabelle
spin off none makes an appearance on the bath Bathsheba
in the first one Valic in the second one crooked man also in
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the second one in the third one oh is a witch right a witch that
brought. A demon, right?
They call her the Occultist. That's the characters.
What's her name? Isabel.
The Occultist. Oh, OK, cool.
Yeah. I do feel like whenever I was
trying to think of the names of as like I know Janet because
they scream that name so much inthe second one, but I was like,
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what are the names of these people?
I feel like they don't say them at all.
It's like their last names that they say, yeah, which I think is
interesting. But I know the names of the
ghosts. I know that for sure.
Is there a ghost that you or villain or entity that you liked
the most? What is liked me?
Like you were scared of that. You liked the story of just just
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liked. I think the one that I was
scared that I found the scariestwas the combo of old man Bill
and Valik. So you're more like the twist of
it. Yes, because what's interesting
about that is that you think Bill is haunting them, but kind
of he's really asking for help. Yeah, because Valek is using
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him. Yeah.
So he wants to leave. He wants to move on.
Well, he could have used his words a little better.
Just saying. Yeah, I know.
Why was it separated? Was that Valek?
That was probably Valek. Valek was doing that.
Yeah, and that was his way to get it.
But I'm just saying, like, he could have been a little nicer
about it. How about you?
I like the first ones only in that like, I think it's really
interesting to have like this woman that was scorned to put a
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curse on the entire land and then have just all of these like
unfortunate deaths constantly follow them.
So I thought it was an interesting pattern that once
they connected, that they knew how to break it.
I just love like a curse. I love a curse and especially
one that was like fuck all y'all.
Well, I don't, I don't know if we want to get into our
rankings, but I, I, well, it doesn't have to be rankings
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necessarily, but I will say thatas the movies went on, they felt
less like familial stories and more like Hollywood horror.
Films. I get what you mean.
Yeah, the the third one in particular I feel like is very
like supernatural in like a fantasy way.
And more like the Warrens are like ghost detectives and they
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have to crack the case. And it looks more like they have
like supernatural powers as opposed to like, which is fine.
I think like as technology kind of advanced when these movers
are coming out, right? We're like 12 years from the
first one. That's to be expected.
But I get that feeling like watching the first one and then
getting to the third one, I was like, oh wow, they really
levelled up in their powers here.
They levelled up in their powersand also just like the way the
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apparitions appeared, you know. So I I think like as I love that
beginning part and you know, andtalking about Bathsheba and that
whole thing, that one felt more grounded to me, you know it.
Felt more ghost huntery, more exorcismy than the other ones
and. I think there's something to be
said about still being scared but seeing less, right?
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Isn't it so scary when the hide and clap scene happens and we
only see the hands? Isn't it so scary when the I
think it's Nancy gets ripped up by her hair and thrown her
around the room, but we don't see anything else?
It's so scary when all the pictures come flying off the
walls, right? But you don't see anything
really. Yeah, the second one does that a
lot too. Like when the daughters are
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first, like getting the mom intothe room and then the dresser
Rams against the door and closesthem in.
It's like, yeah, they do that a lot.
And I feel like in the third onethey do that, but it's more of
like, I don't know, we got like the zombie big dead guy from the
morgue. So which is cool.
I think it's great. But I, I get what you're saying.
It's like it gets a little more Hollywood.
Yeah. As opposed to like kind of the
the low budget anyway. Even like in the in the second
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one is when we first see her kind of like go back into sort
of a memory of a ghost or an apparition.
Like we see that in the Amityville right at the
beginning, you know, she's walking around cocking the
shotgun and. I fucking love that so much.
I don't I I get what you're saying.
I love it so much. I the way they told things or
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just doing those memories. I'm like, this is just so
freaking cool. Like it's a better way than just
doing a flashback. I like that a lot because like a
part of me is like, I didn't mean to like kind of take that
for me, but like part of me is feels like, is it actually what
they're showing us? I feel like in the third one,
yes, but I feel like maybe we'rejust seeing it because in the
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second one, when she gets Valic's name, when she writes it
into the Bible, she's not actually walking and doing all
that stuff. So it's almost like we're seeing
it in her head. But in the third one, it's very
much like she's in it well. Right.
And that one scene that you mentioned of the two girls in
the forest, like she becomes thegirl, she stabs the other girl,
she runs to the Cliff, you know.So she, I mean, maybe there's
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something to be said of, of as the movies go on, as time goes
on, she becomes more in tune with her powers.
She becomes more powerful and they become more part of her
real entity. I have, yeah.
I have a thought about that. When we get to like what we
expect from last rites, because it seems like it's hurting her
quite a bit the more and more she does it and the more intense
it gets. But to kind of get to.
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So the what do we got? We got Annabelle the Nun, La La
Rona and is that it? Is that like the spin offs we
got from The Conjuring? Because there's there's three
Annabelle, 2 nuns and 1 La Aurora.
I saw the second Annabelle before I saw the first one, and
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the first one I didn't like as much as I like the second one.
What's the third one? Annabelle comes home.
I didn't even know it existed until like 10 minutes before we
started recording. And I've only seen the first
nun, not the second nun. Yeah, I've only seen the first
nun too. I didn't really.
None of your business, yeah. Yeah, the nun I didn't really
care too much about. I thought it was fine.
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I liked the the valic part of itover, you know that I like I
like The Conjuring ones. The the spin offs feel like spin
offs in a way. And I think that the conjurings
are great. So standout moments.
I feel like each conjuring movieand I'm trying I I want your
input on this, obviously, but the first one, there's like a
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standout moment like James Wan likes to have like a moment that
you think about in the movie. And I feel like the first one is
when little girls getting thrownaround by her hair, right?
That's like a moment's a big like stunt scene right in the
second one. What would you say is like the
standout moment for that one? Is it when she's getting kind of
like through the wall going intothe room and stuff like that,
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that's where? Or is it the Crooked man?
See, I personally, for me, it's when she's going through the
wall, when he brings her into that room.
I think it's the Crooked Man forme.
See, so the thing for me with the Crooked Man, that's where
they lose me in this one. That is too fantastical for me
for The Conjuring universe. I thought it was so cool.
Why would the dog transform intothe crooked man?
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The crooked man you know is chasing them around like that
feels less The Conjuring to me personally got you.
But for why is it a standout moment for you?
Why is? That it's not necessarily a
standout moment. I'm I'm more talking like
there's moments that James Wan creates in these movies where
it's like that's like the kind of like intense moment or like
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the the creative way they decided to do this scene, right?
It's like throwing the girl around by her hair and it's like
crazy. The crooked man with the going
through the ceiling coming in and then coming back out.
Very cool. And I can't really pinpoint one
for the third one, like I don't,I'm not too sure if it has it.
Is it the morgue scene with the the guy or is it the second time
the guy shows up in their house?Because I feel like that's the
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big like intense, kind of like heavy effects moment, right?
It's funny, I and and it just seems so early.
I well, I guess it's not the heavy effects moment, right?
Just the standout scene for me is when Arnie murders the guy
and then is walking down the street and he says I think I
hurt someone. He's covered in blood.
So not to confuse them. So let's like, let's do, let's
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do the standout moments here. What is the standout moment for
you in the first one? Standout moment in the first one
is probably yeah, I think the hair.
The hair moment for sure. Or the moment when Beth Sheba is
on top of the Bureau and jumps on top of her.
Gary Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think the moment for me is
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when the mom is on the in the chair and has the the tarp over
her and then she flips upside down.
Yeah. Oh I love.
That, I mean, we all of course, just need to point out that it's
Lily Taylor who plays Carolyn Perrin.
Amazing. Come on, it's cast in the first
one. Oh God.
Yeah, whenever. It's like it opens up a little
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bit and you see the face of Bathsheba.
Oh, it's so good. She's like very good.
Second one Crooked man for me. I I think the Crooked Man and I
guess it's when she gets Jana gets pulled through the floor,
which is really cool because like Bill, he kind of like Yanks
her from the rope. I was like, this is so cool.
Yeah, I like that one a lot. And the third one, oh, I like
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when I like when Ed is fully possessed and going after
Lorraine. I that was very intense.
I knew it was going to be fine, but that was intense for.
Me I I did feel like the third one hit a little too close to
home when he had a heart attack and needed a stent.
Yeah, I it was actually kind of hard to watch the third one in a
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way. One, because of that, because
it's like too real. But also it was just like, man,
Ed is like not doing well. Yeah.
And I was just like, he's so sweaty.
He keeps forgetting his pills. Like can we chill?
Out again, mad as pills. Yeah, yeah.
I actually really enjoyed the part when they discovered that
she put one of the Talisman in the vase.
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Very cool, very cool. I love their investigative parts
to it. OK, so let's talk about what we
want from Last Rites and then move on to our rankings of the
first three, and then we will doour final rankings of the entire
Conjuring run. So I have to be honest in saying
that I have no idea what Last Rites is about.
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Me either, I haven't watched a single trailer.
Me either. OK, So what I want from it.
We're just going to make stuff up, OK?
Love it is. I wanted to feel more like the
first one. Yeah.
And James Wan is coming back to direct, right?
I believe so. It might be Chavez again.
No. OK.
Keep talking Outlook. So that's, that's one of the
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things that I want from it, right.
So obviously we're going to see them getting older.
It seems that Oh, I do remember seeing a trailer now.
Travis is doing it. Interesting.
Where Judy, their daughter, who unfortunately I'm a little
bummed about, is not being played by the same actor.
That same actor played Judy in the first three.
Maybe they wanted someone a little older because it seems
like she might be getting married.
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She's like going, you know, she's trying out wedding
dresses. But, you know, or maybe this one
is going to center more on the Warrens themself.
I we did watch something that was like it was Vera and Patrick
and they were talking about justending it right and what it
meant to do with this whole thing together and everything
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like that. And it does feel that way.
It does feel like this is like their movie and this is their
story and it's like the thing that stopped it for them, the
Warrens, like this is their lastcase or something like that.
It seems like it's going to be very personal and I'm not
looking forward to that. Like it does make me sad.
Like I don't want one of them todie.
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It's like we haven't gotten any like real deaths like that of
our main cast or our families and stuff like that in the in
the movies. And it's like to have like Ed
die. It's just, Oh no, I don't want
that. Maybe they'll be like a flash
forward at the end and it's justher by herself in their home in
that room. OK.
With all their stuff and Annabelle hanging out.
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I don't like that. Yeah.
I would be curious to see if it's going to be what case,
because usually they do like a real life case that they did.
Is it going to be a real case with them or is it going to be
we're going to see a real case and then it goes back to them?
I'm really interested in that. Last Rites.
It does seem very exorcismy, which obviously there's a lot,
but it seems heavy on the exorcism and I think.
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There's also something to be said.
If you look at the three films that we've had already, we more
and more of it involves the Warrens themselves, right?
So it's not only are the warrants helping the other
family, but by helping the otherfamily, they're inviting the
demonic presence onto their family and their home.
And as the three films have goneon, it's gotten worse and worse,
so it seems like. Well, they keep stuff in that
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room full of demonic objects. Come on.
How often does the priest come by to bless it?
Well, he said every month. I do every two weeks.
Yeah, he got full time, absolutely.
So you just have a priest outside?
Yeah. Thank you.
For sure. And it's one of these kind of
funny is like, they're always like, we need to get him to the
church. And Lorraine's always like, we
can't do it now, Ed. Just get ordained already or
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become a. Priest.
Or just have a priest on your team.
Right, well, they did bring in that new priest in the third
one, and he seemed very scared, but he did a decent job.
The third one. Yeah, OK, let's rank them right.
Give me your rankings for the first 3.
My ranking I think is very obvious. 123. 123, got it.
Yep. Mine's 132 what 132?
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I'm so surprised. I just, I, I know that the third
one, it just has that witchy vibe.
I love witches, I love curses. It's just, I don't know, I mean,
if I'm being honest, I feel likeit's 1-2 and three are kind of
very, very close and I can put them together.
But what puts it over, I think is just like, I don't know, I
think it is a little more creepyand I like knowing more about
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the Warrens outside of this little bubble that they created.
So you have to go 1/3 and two. I don't know if that's like a
hot take or controversial, but. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe people
like. You're not wrong, it's your
opinion, no. But I just feel like, okay,
maybe mines controversial, maybepeople think the first one is
too simple, but I don't think soanything.
I think everybody likes the first one so good.
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One thing that I do know about The Conjuring is anybody that
I've heard talk about The Conjuring has always liked the
first one at least. I don't think the conversation
ever goes past that, but everybody that I've come into
contact with that has seen it. Let us know in the comments.
Like do you like The Conjuring? It'd be weird if you got this
far in this episode and you didn't like The Conjuring, but
as at least like the first one. So at least it's a unifier.
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Absolutely. You know, I'm excited for the
4th one. Me too.
Yeah. And I'm gonna see if our
rankings are gonna change at all.
We're gonna get 2 James Wands and two Chavez's.
All right, well, we are all prepared to go into last rites.
We've done our due diligence in watching the first 3 again.
Yeah, can't wait. So let us know what you think of
The Conjuring universe, If we should check out the last
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Annabelle and the second nun. Are we missing out?
Yeah, Are they worth it? All right, until next time.
Bye.
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Whatever the 80° today begs to differ.
Very true. Yeah, very true.
I'm excited to revisit The Conjuring movies.
We've had The Conjuring in our lives since what, 2010?
Been a while, and it's finally ending with the 4th, the Last
rites. That's right.
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Conjuring, 1-2 and three, we're not going to talk about the
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don't want to be haunted from your spoilers.
I'm really trying. Yeah, yeah, just.
You know what? Let it happen.
When the ghosts come, they come.So let us officially take a bite
of The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2 Directed by James
Wan and The Conjuring. The Devil Made Me Do It,
Directed by Michael Chavez. The Perrins, Hodgkins and
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Glatzels turn to Paranormal TeamEd and Lorraine Warren when they
experience otherworldly demonic possessions that are hell bent
on destroying their lives. Based on the true stories.
Of Ed and Lorraine wore. All right, so the first
conjuring came out in 2013, the second one in 2016, and The
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Conjuring the Devil Made me Do it 2021.
When I said 2010, I think I was thinking of Insidious, which is
also James Wan. Well, that's kind of where it
started. Patrick Wilson.
Absolutely. That's where that duo came to
be. So as far as The Conjuring in
2013, did you see it in theaters?
What do you remember from it? Yes, yes.
It's really funny because I think when we started a rewatch,
I was like, oh, let me watch thetrailer.
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I love watching trailers from around this time period because
this was one of the last like years or so where trailers told
you the entire movie and it was,it was verging on like out of in
a world, but it still gave you 3minutes of the entire plot.
And The Conjuring was like that.So it's just, it was fun to go
back to a movie from this time period even though it's not that
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long. But movies are made differently
now. I liked it a lot.
I remember seeing it in theaters.
I've seen every Conjuring in theaters except for The Devil
Made Me Do It, but the 4th one we're going to see in theaters
so this is fun. It will continue.
Yeah, James Wan did something interesting with these and that
yes, they were scary, yes they were dark, but they were
accessible to everybody. And with the core being Ed and
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Lorraine, I think was just a chemist or a recipe to really
for success. Yeah, I, so my first run in with
The Conjuring was actually JamesWan was at New York Comic Con
the year before it actually released.
And he was there to talk about it.
And nobody really knew what it was about what was going on.
They just knew him really from Insidious and his past works.
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So I decided to sit on this big thing with an interview with
him. And then they showed a small
clip. And the clip that they showed
was the the game, the clap and hidden clap with the mom.
And of course, they ended it right when she's at the top of
the stairs and the hands come out from behind her and clap.
The entire crowd lost their minds.
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It just was like, I couldn't wait to see it.
And then when I saw the movie, absolutely didn't disappoint.
I think that what James Wan doesso well, so he was part of the
team that wrote one and two, he also helped Storyboard 3.
And what he does so well is create these families that we
care for, right? And so the parent family and
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their one of their five daughters, you can't help but
care for them. He does such a good job of
setting them up, setting up the time period.
And then the warrants come in and you love them too.
And so it's so interesting to watch a horror movie, but to
truly care about all the characters that are in them.
That's a good making of a, a good storyteller to begin with.
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What's really interesting about The Conjuring movies, and there
are some movies that do this right.
But what's we're fortunate enough to have multiples of
these movies is you have Ed and Lorraine and you have a family
and you have things that happen and they come and try to help,
right? It almost feels like a
serialized movie or a serializedshow in a way of like you have
the family, you have the kids, you have the Warrens.
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So it's it's you know what to expect, but you don't know
what's going to happen. So that's the fun part about it,
right? And it's so rooted in real
stories that it just gives you that extra layer of like creep
factor that I think works reallywell.
One of the things that I really,really, really appreciate from
The Conjuring and Insidious, I feel like, you know, he
obviously did some interesting things in both of them is that
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the expectations of jump scares were changed a little bit in The
Conjuring. And specifically one that I
think about is in the room, in the girls room when she's
opening up that armoire and you think something's going to come
out of it. There's just a few extra beats
after it where you're like, oh, they messed with us.
But really the monsters on top of the armoire.
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So they play with those expectations a lot in these this
franchise, and I love that so much because you don't know
what's going to happen. Yeah, I think another really
good example of that in the first Kind Ring movie is when
Christine, Joey King's charactergets her leg pulled really hard
and she says to her older sister, there's something behind
the door, and you're expecting to see something behind the
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door. But it almost makes it scarier
that we're not Privy to seeing what Joey King's character sees.
I mean, we do get a big door slam after that, which is so
scary, but what was there? Yeah.
What did she see? Yeah.
I, I, I really like it a lot. I think the, it's, it's such a
vibe. I hate using that word, but I
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love using that word because I think it describes things
perfectly. When you can't really describe
something and he just sets such a good atmosphere.
The whole team does, right? I just love the feeling of, and
I'm putting this more in like modern terms or what more
people, if you haven't seen The Conjuring, it's like the
Haunting of Hill House. Like you have the family unit
and they're haunted by things, right?
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That's very much like every single installment of The
Conjuring. And it's, it's a familial
feeling. But I love that Ed and Lorraine
Warren are the center of this because you get bits and pieces
of them. You kind of see their history.
I can't remember which one it was.
Was it the third one maybe whereyou get a glimpse of the young
Ed and Lorraine? A gazebo, Yes.
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And that little tiny moment, I'mlike, fulfilled, you know?
But it's so cool. And I like that.
He centered it around these two real figures, but gave them more
of a storyline and more of like these are movie stars in a way.
Sure. Yeah.
I, you know, there's something to be said about the first two
Conjuring movies in particular that truly unsettles me because
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these families are trying to have this home, this place where
they're supposed to be able to feel safe, but in reality,
they're trapped there by, by thespirits.
And they kind of the key to unlocking that are Ed and
Lorraine, right? They are these tried and true
experts. And although they too are scared
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of what's going on, they know more about it.
And so they have the wherewithalto take a step back and figure
out how to solve this issue. And so they really are the
connection of the three films, right?
And having them there and visiting different families, it,
it makes all the films differentenough that it doesn't feel like
you're seeing the same thing over and over again.
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Well, they're really the the core characters of it, right?
And it's really interesting whenyou're watching these movies and
there's a good like 30 minutes typically in the beginning half
of the movie where it's not about them.
They come in and you know, when they get settled into the
whatever haunted place or aroundthe person, shit's going to go
down, right? It just gets way more like James
Wan where it's like creepy, but like action Y and just like what
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is happening. And I like that because it it
doesn't really focus on them so much to where you want more and
there's still mystery behind them, but you love them
relentlessly, them. And Judy, of course, Judy.
You know, it's, it's interestingbecause after seeing the first
one, in my mind, the parents were the main characters of the
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film. And then when the second one
came around, I, I realized, oh, wait, they're while they are the
main characters of that film, they're not the main characters
of the franchise, right? And it is Ed and Lorraine Warren
and the fact that it is based onthese real people that really
went to these places and helped these families.
You know, it makes you think a lot, especially on this sort of
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rewatch as a revisit and and thinking about it for the
podcast, you take a step back and you think, you know, what's
first of all, what parts are added for the movie, right?
Get that? But which parts are real and do
you believe it? Oh, no, I knew this question was
going to come. I don't know.
You know, I'm always and foreverwill be a skeptic.
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I'm the type of person like I need proof, you know, that's
just how I am growing a very religious household.
It just made me more of like a let me question this, you know,
but seeing stuff like this and like in these movies, always the
credits it has like either audiorecordings or like actual images
of some of these cases. It makes you think like
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interesting. Is there something?
And if there is something, who'sto say which part is what?
You know? So it's it's scary to think
about. Part of me feels like it's
comforting, thinking ish that there's like something after.
But it's also not comforting when it's like, is this what's
after? If I die in my chair in the
corner, am I gonna be used as a pawn for some creepy nun to
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terrorize a family? Yeah.
So it is scary. I don't know.
I feel like you're a little morespiritual than I am.
Yeah. But does that spirituality also
go to like ghosts and stuff? Well, yeah, it's, it's an
interesting journey. I've started listening to a book
called The Demonologist, which is about Ed and Lorraine Warren.
And it has a lot of just like first hand accounts from them
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and, and conversations with them.
And one of the things that they said today was that they said
today that I listened to today was that really only you're only
trapped here if your spirit feels like it doesn't.
It has unfinished business. They're a place to go.
Yeah, they kind of touch on thatin the movies, right?
Like, I mean, specifically with the older man and the second
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one. But it almost feels like some of
the stuff happens to the families because they're either
like they've almost invited it in unknowingly when they're like
in the second one, her husband had left.
So she's very like depressed andshe's trying to do everything
for her family. The first one, it's like they're
kind of like they can't leave and they just walked into this
haunting, right? And the third one's like that
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too. So it's interesting to think of
that like the spirits can't really go anywhere, but also
these people are stuck in the place.
Well, part of their theory is that if you are in a similar
state as the spirit, then it will latch on to you.
So good for you. You're like a little
demonologist over here. Warrens Watch.
Out, yes. But so for me, I think the thing
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that I struggle with most, it's funny, I really do lean into it.
I do, you know, think that ghosts and things like that are
real. I think that there is some basis
to truth because my gosh, if this is a hoax, they really went
hard to try and do this, which is like, I don't know, the way
they're painted in these movies,it doesn't seem like they're
swindlers in any way. Right.
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I would be really interested to look more into them, right,
because I think we can romanticize the Warrens,
especially with Vera and PatrickWilson, you know, portraying
them because share those, too. And we love them to death.
But yeah, I would be interested because I think we had kind of
briefly talked about it. Like, I mean, it didn't seem
like in the movies at least theytalked about payment in any way.
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Like, how do they get paid? Do they do it when they go do
their seminars and teach classesand stuff like that?
Or like, is there a secret? Like, does the church pay them?
It was very interesting because I feel like when money is
exchanged, then we can be like, interesting they're doing it for
a job and not because they want to help.
Yeah. Part of it though is that back
in the 60s and 70s you could probably live on one part time
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paycheck and be totally fine. Well, the minimum wage hasn't
changed, so wow. But I think my thing that I kind
of struggle with most is that there seems to have to be a
balance, right? With the evil comes to good and
their version of good is Catholicism, right?
They use the Bible as a weapon. They use a cross as a weapon.
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And So what does that mean? If you believe in one, does that
mean you have to believe in the other?
At least for the Warrens, it seems that way because that
truly was their shield. Their weaponry against these
spirits was their faith in Christianity.
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
I mean, I think like this. This is where it gets a little
like this loses me almost in like the actual religious and
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spiritual part. To me, what I see that as like
totally fine. Believe what you want to
believe. I'm nowhere near a expert in any
in any of the stuff. But to me it's like if this
stuff was to exist, right? And say like there is bad and
good and there's some type of balance or whatever.
I think like maybe that's what it is.
And we as humans just like gender and age and time and all
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of these things, we've made social constructs around these
things. So like, who's to say Whatever
light version there is that, it's called Catholicism, right?
It's like there's just that force and there's this force,
right? I read a lot of like high
fantasy and lot of like sci-fi mixed with fantasy and a lot of
those things. Sometimes when it comes to like
spirituality, I just read Catabsis by RF Kwong.
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And a lot of it is like all of the religions exist and they all
can exist simultaneously at the same time, but they're just
different things. So I like to think that way of
of it. And it's like, that's just the
protection that the Warrens use,right?
I think it's interesting. Yeah, I appreciate that view of
it. I mean, there's a part of me
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that's just like, well, that's fine.
They can be, you know, Christians or Catholic or or
whatever their their specific faith is.
But are they homophobes? That's that's what I need to
know. That's what I need to know, yes.
But I feel like they wouldn't be, you know, there's no way
that Lorraine Laura Warren, Lorraine Warren, I'm having a
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hard time with her name right now dressed like that.
And it wasn't for the gays. Just a little bit, just a little
bit. Yet not one homosexual in any of
these movies. I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. That's not true.
I think in the third one, those two girls, the one that killed
the other. One, yeah, that's.
True, I think they were. They were little nature
lesbians. Yeah, nature lesbians.
Yeah, I think they were nature lesbians, Boo.
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That was sad, but as far as Patrick Wilson and Vera
Farminger's portrayal of the warrant?
Movie, Yeah. I think that I love them.
It makes you I think that they make you believe the love story.
They make you believe the strength between the two
characters and the connection. You know, I was just like
towards at the end of the third one, you know, watching them
like two days, three days in a row, However long it took us.
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You realize how many times they're just screaming each
other's names. Yes, I wanted Ed and Lorraine
count I feel. Like their entire script, at
least four or five pages, is like Ed Lorraine.
Yeah. Just constantly, like, stop,
you're doing too much. Yeah, yeah.
Especially the third one. I feel like that's like, yes,
they were both not great. Their health was declining.
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Spirits were coming in it. Was a lot the the more like
pompadour Ed's hair gets the worst health.
Lorraine's hair. The third.
One, it just went whoop. Oh yeah, straight back old.
Yeah. That's the image we know of her.
Yes, yeah, exactly. I like the is there like a
family? Because we're going to rank
these right before we see the 4th one.
(16:19):
We do have a review of the 4th 1coming out.
We just wanted to like revisit these before we got to the end
of them. Is there a families story that
you particularly like? Not necessarily movie, but like,
is there a family you're more drawn to than the other?
I don't know if it's just because I have such a soft spot
for the first movie. I love it so much.
I've watched, like for me to watch a horror movie over and
(16:42):
over and over again, it, it means something, right?
So the parents are my family. There's something about them
that I'm just so drawn to. Just this middle class family
trying their hardest to start over, to have the life that
they've always dreamed of. And then, you know, fucking
Bathsheba takes over. Literally walk into a house
infested with ghosts. OK.
(17:05):
So Noah and I were having this conversation, the Warrens
greatest adversary doors. Yes.
Apparently demons also hate dogs.
Yes, well, we were talking so with the families and just
sorry, no, no, no, no. Yeah, the the families.
I think the Hodges I'm a little more drawn to, and it's mostly
(17:26):
because of the scene with Patrick Wilson singing Elvis to
them that just really touched me.
And yeah, I was just like, it's amazing.
But I just, I think like, that was the most human.
I felt like some of the familieswere, not to say the first one
wasn't, but to me, I was just like, oh, OK.
Like I feel for this family. But we were talking about like
(17:47):
the body count, right? In these movies and the first
and second one, there's really nobody that dies from the
families. But Sadie dies in the first one.
She's like the only casualty in this.
And in the second one, Brew, what's his name?
Brutus maybe or something The the Rottweiler from the
neighbors turns into the CrookedMan.
(18:08):
Yeah. But he comes back at the end,
which is good. But I don't trust that.
I think he's a crooked man. He's real crooked.
Where'd the Crooked Man go back to that?
Dog in the dog. He's a transformer.
Dog's heart, Yeah. I don't understand why the demon
needed to kill. Sadie because it gets that
reaction. That's for the audience, right?
(18:28):
That's for us to hate automatically put the adversary
and its place, right? In the Warren world, to destroy
that piece of the family, to make them all depressed makes
them all weaker. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
It would make me weaker. Yeah, that happened to me when I
moved into a house 10 years ago.My dog died.
Oh. My God, you're haunted.
(18:49):
I'm sure. Let's not get into that now.
So talking about, so we've talked about the families, we've
talked about the Warrens a little bit, right?
And I particularly like this is just a side note.
I particularly like the third one.
And this is just going to go into my ranking later because we
get a little more of the skepticview and we get a little more of
like the world view of the Warrens.
And I really appreciated that because I think the first two
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paint them as like these untouchable.
They're great. And while that's cool, I like
having that little Gray area putinto there and that those
questions come. Up, you know, something I was
surprised of is that I was just do I wanted to see some like
interviews of them. So I went on YouTube and I just
typed Ed and Lorraine Warren andthe first thing that like most
of the videos that showed up were hoax fakes, you know, and
(19:33):
so it was interesting to me thaton you like just in like general
on YouTube, the first thing wasn't real life interviews.
It was actually people talking about how they thought they were
fake. Interesting.
I mean, maybe that's just because of the movies and stuff
like that. Like they just kind of like
that's what brought those searches up.
Like, are they real? Were they real?
Well, maybe people need to have faith and love them that it's.
(19:55):
Real so we've talked about the families we talked about this
the the unfortunate circumstances of the pooches and
the horns let's talk about the ghosts the entities right the
first one Annabelle makes an appearance there's an Annabelle
spin off none makes an appearance on the bath Bathsheba
in the first one Valic in the second one crooked man also in
(20:16):
the second one in the third one oh is a witch right a witch that
brought. A demon, right?
They call her the Occultist. That's the characters.
What's her name? Isabel.
The Occultist. Oh, OK, cool.
Yeah. I do feel like whenever I was
trying to think of the names of as like I know Janet because
they scream that name so much inthe second one, but I was like,
(20:37):
what are the names of these people?
I feel like they don't say them at all.
It's like their last names that they say, yeah, which I think is
interesting. But I know the names of the
ghosts. I know that for sure.
Is there a ghost that you or villain or entity that you liked
the most? What is liked me?
Like you were scared of that. You liked the story of just just
(20:59):
liked. I think the one that I was
scared that I found the scariestwas the combo of old man Bill
and Valik. So you're more like the twist of
it. Yes, because what's interesting
about that is that you think Bill is haunting them, but kind
of he's really asking for help. Yeah, because Valek is using
(21:20):
him. Yeah.
So he wants to leave. He wants to move on.
Well, he could have used his words a little better.
Just saying. Yeah, I know.
Why was it separated? Was that Valek?
That was probably Valek. Valek was doing that.
Yeah, and that was his way to get it.
But I'm just saying, like, he could have been a little nicer
about it. How about you?
I like the first ones only in that like, I think it's really
interesting to have like this woman that was scorned to put a
(21:41):
curse on the entire land and then have just all of these like
unfortunate deaths constantly follow them.
So I thought it was an interesting pattern that once
they connected, that they knew how to break it.
I just love like a curse. I love a curse and especially
one that was like fuck all y'all.
Well, I don't, I don't know if we want to get into our
rankings, but I, I, well, it doesn't have to be rankings
(22:05):
necessarily, but I will say thatas the movies went on, they felt
less like familial stories and more like Hollywood horror.
Films. I get what you mean.
Yeah, the the third one in particular I feel like is very
like supernatural in like a fantasy way.
And more like the Warrens are like ghost detectives and they
(22:28):
have to crack the case. And it looks more like they have
like supernatural powers as opposed to like, which is fine.
I think like as technology kind of advanced when these movers
are coming out, right? We're like 12 years from the
first one. That's to be expected.
But I get that feeling like watching the first one and then
getting to the third one, I was like, oh wow, they really
levelled up in their powers here.
They levelled up in their powersand also just like the way the
(22:50):
apparitions appeared, you know. So I I think like as I love that
beginning part and you know, andtalking about Bathsheba and that
whole thing, that one felt more grounded to me, you know it.
Felt more ghost huntery, more exorcismy than the other ones
and. I think there's something to be
said about still being scared but seeing less, right?
(23:15):
Isn't it so scary when the hide and clap scene happens and we
only see the hands? Isn't it so scary when the I
think it's Nancy gets ripped up by her hair and thrown her
around the room, but we don't see anything else?
It's so scary when all the pictures come flying off the
walls, right? But you don't see anything
really. Yeah, the second one does that a
lot too. Like when the daughters are
(23:36):
first, like getting the mom intothe room and then the dresser
Rams against the door and closesthem in.
It's like, yeah, they do that a lot.
And I feel like in the third onethey do that, but it's more of
like, I don't know, we got like the zombie big dead guy from the
morgue. So which is cool.
I think it's great. But I, I get what you're saying.
It's like it gets a little more Hollywood.
Yeah. As opposed to like kind of the
the low budget anyway. Even like in the in the second
(24:00):
one is when we first see her kind of like go back into sort
of a memory of a ghost or an apparition.
Like we see that in the Amityville right at the
beginning, you know, she's walking around cocking the
shotgun and. I fucking love that so much.
I don't I I get what you're saying.
I love it so much. I the way they told things or
(24:22):
just doing those memories. I'm like, this is just so
freaking cool. Like it's a better way than just
doing a flashback. I like that a lot because like a
part of me is like, I didn't mean to like kind of take that
for me, but like part of me is feels like, is it actually what
they're showing us? I feel like in the third one,
yes, but I feel like maybe we'rejust seeing it because in the
(24:43):
second one, when she gets Valic's name, when she writes it
into the Bible, she's not actually walking and doing all
that stuff. So it's almost like we're seeing
it in her head. But in the third one, it's very
much like she's in it well. Right.
And that one scene that you mentioned of the two girls in
the forest, like she becomes thegirl, she stabs the other girl,
she runs to the Cliff, you know.So she, I mean, maybe there's
(25:05):
something to be said of, of as the movies go on, as time goes
on, she becomes more in tune with her powers.
She becomes more powerful and they become more part of her
real entity. I have, yeah.
I have a thought about that. When we get to like what we
expect from last rites, because it seems like it's hurting her
quite a bit the more and more she does it and the more intense
it gets. But to kind of get to.
(25:28):
So the what do we got? We got Annabelle the Nun, La La
Rona and is that it? Is that like the spin offs we
got from The Conjuring? Because there's there's three
Annabelle, 2 nuns and 1 La Aurora.
I saw the second Annabelle before I saw the first one, and
(25:48):
the first one I didn't like as much as I like the second one.
What's the third one? Annabelle comes home.
I didn't even know it existed until like 10 minutes before we
started recording. And I've only seen the first
nun, not the second nun. Yeah, I've only seen the first
nun too. I didn't really.
None of your business, yeah. Yeah, the nun I didn't really
care too much about. I thought it was fine.
(26:09):
I liked the the valic part of itover, you know that I like I
like The Conjuring ones. The the spin offs feel like spin
offs in a way. And I think that the conjurings
are great. So standout moments.
I feel like each conjuring movieand I'm trying I I want your
input on this, obviously, but the first one, there's like a
(26:32):
standout moment like James Wan likes to have like a moment that
you think about in the movie. And I feel like the first one is
when little girls getting thrownaround by her hair, right?
That's like a moment's a big like stunt scene right in the
second one. What would you say is like the
standout moment for that one? Is it when she's getting kind of
like through the wall going intothe room and stuff like that,
(26:55):
that's where? Or is it the Crooked man?
See, I personally, for me, it's when she's going through the
wall, when he brings her into that room.
I think it's the Crooked Man forme.
See, so the thing for me with the Crooked Man, that's where
they lose me in this one. That is too fantastical for me
for The Conjuring universe. I thought it was so cool.
Why would the dog transform intothe crooked man?
(27:16):
The crooked man you know is chasing them around like that
feels less The Conjuring to me personally got you.
But for why is it a standout moment for you?
Why is? That it's not necessarily a
standout moment. I'm I'm more talking like
there's moments that James Wan creates in these movies where
it's like that's like the kind of like intense moment or like
(27:37):
the the creative way they decided to do this scene, right?
It's like throwing the girl around by her hair and it's like
crazy. The crooked man with the going
through the ceiling coming in and then coming back out.
Very cool. And I can't really pinpoint one
for the third one, like I don't,I'm not too sure if it has it.
Is it the morgue scene with the the guy or is it the second time
the guy shows up in their house?Because I feel like that's the
(27:59):
big like intense, kind of like heavy effects moment, right?
It's funny, I and and it just seems so early.
I well, I guess it's not the heavy effects moment, right?
Just the standout scene for me is when Arnie murders the guy
and then is walking down the street and he says I think I
hurt someone. He's covered in blood.
So not to confuse them. So let's like, let's do, let's
(28:21):
do the standout moments here. What is the standout moment for
you in the first one? Standout moment in the first one
is probably yeah, I think the hair.
The hair moment for sure. Or the moment when Beth Sheba is
on top of the Bureau and jumps on top of her.
Gary Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think the moment for me is
(28:44):
when the mom is on the in the chair and has the the tarp over
her and then she flips upside down.
Yeah. Oh I love.
That, I mean, we all of course, just need to point out that it's
Lily Taylor who plays Carolyn Perrin.
Amazing. Come on, it's cast in the first
one. Oh God.
Yeah, whenever. It's like it opens up a little
(29:04):
bit and you see the face of Bathsheba.
Oh, it's so good. She's like very good.
Second one Crooked man for me. I I think the Crooked Man and I
guess it's when she gets Jana gets pulled through the floor,
which is really cool because like Bill, he kind of like Yanks
her from the rope. I was like, this is so cool.
Yeah, I like that one a lot. And the third one, oh, I like
(29:27):
when I like when Ed is fully possessed and going after
Lorraine. I that was very intense.
I knew it was going to be fine, but that was intense for.
Me I I did feel like the third one hit a little too close to
home when he had a heart attack and needed a stent.
Yeah, I it was actually kind of hard to watch the third one in a
(29:48):
way. One, because of that, because
it's like too real. But also it was just like, man,
Ed is like not doing well. Yeah.
And I was just like, he's so sweaty.
He keeps forgetting his pills. Like can we chill?
Out again, mad as pills. Yeah, yeah.
I actually really enjoyed the part when they discovered that
she put one of the Talisman in the vase.
(30:10):
Very cool, very cool. I love their investigative parts
to it. OK, so let's talk about what we
want from Last Rites and then move on to our rankings of the
first three, and then we will doour final rankings of the entire
Conjuring run. So I have to be honest in saying
that I have no idea what Last Rites is about.
(30:31):
Me either, I haven't watched a single trailer.
Me either. OK, So what I want from it.
We're just going to make stuff up, OK?
Love it is. I wanted to feel more like the
first one. Yeah.
And James Wan is coming back to direct, right?
I believe so. It might be Chavez again.
No. OK.
Keep talking Outlook. So that's, that's one of the
(30:53):
things that I want from it, right.
So obviously we're going to see them getting older.
It seems that Oh, I do remember seeing a trailer now.
Travis is doing it. Interesting.
Where Judy, their daughter, who unfortunately I'm a little
bummed about, is not being played by the same actor.
That same actor played Judy in the first three.
Maybe they wanted someone a little older because it seems
like she might be getting married.
(31:14):
She's like going, you know, she's trying out wedding
dresses. But, you know, or maybe this one
is going to center more on the Warrens themself.
I we did watch something that was like it was Vera and Patrick
and they were talking about justending it right and what it
meant to do with this whole thing together and everything
(31:34):
like that. And it does feel that way.
It does feel like this is like their movie and this is their
story and it's like the thing that stopped it for them, the
Warrens, like this is their lastcase or something like that.
It seems like it's going to be very personal and I'm not
looking forward to that. Like it does make me sad.
Like I don't want one of them todie.
(31:56):
It's like we haven't gotten any like real deaths like that of
our main cast or our families and stuff like that in the in
the movies. And it's like to have like Ed
die. It's just, Oh no, I don't want
that. Maybe they'll be like a flash
forward at the end and it's justher by herself in their home in
that room. OK.
With all their stuff and Annabelle hanging out.
(32:17):
I don't like that. Yeah.
I would be curious to see if it's going to be what case,
because usually they do like a real life case that they did.
Is it going to be a real case with them or is it going to be
we're going to see a real case and then it goes back to them?
I'm really interested in that. Last Rites.
It does seem very exorcismy, which obviously there's a lot,
but it seems heavy on the exorcism and I think.
(32:38):
There's also something to be said.
If you look at the three films that we've had already, we more
and more of it involves the Warrens themselves, right?
So it's not only are the warrants helping the other
family, but by helping the otherfamily, they're inviting the
demonic presence onto their family and their home.
And as the three films have goneon, it's gotten worse and worse,
so it seems like. Well, they keep stuff in that
(32:59):
room full of demonic objects. Come on.
How often does the priest come by to bless it?
Well, he said every month. I do every two weeks.
Yeah, he got full time, absolutely.
So you just have a priest outside?
Yeah. Thank you.
For sure. And it's one of these kind of
funny is like, they're always like, we need to get him to the
church. And Lorraine's always like, we
can't do it now, Ed. Just get ordained already or
(33:22):
become a. Priest.
Or just have a priest on your team.
Right, well, they did bring in that new priest in the third
one, and he seemed very scared, but he did a decent job.
The third one. Yeah, OK, let's rank them right.
Give me your rankings for the first 3.
My ranking I think is very obvious. 123. 123, got it.
Yep. Mine's 132 what 132?
(33:46):
I'm so surprised. I just, I, I know that the third
one, it just has that witchy vibe.
I love witches, I love curses. It's just, I don't know, I mean,
if I'm being honest, I feel likeit's 1-2 and three are kind of
very, very close and I can put them together.
But what puts it over, I think is just like, I don't know, I
think it is a little more creepyand I like knowing more about
(34:10):
the Warrens outside of this little bubble that they created.
So you have to go 1/3 and two. I don't know if that's like a
hot take or controversial, but. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe people
like. You're not wrong, it's your
opinion, no. But I just feel like, okay,
maybe mines controversial, maybepeople think the first one is
too simple, but I don't think soanything.
I think everybody likes the first one so good.
(34:31):
One thing that I do know about The Conjuring is anybody that
I've heard talk about The Conjuring has always liked the
first one at least. I don't think the conversation
ever goes past that, but everybody that I've come into
contact with that has seen it. Let us know in the comments.
Like do you like The Conjuring? It'd be weird if you got this
far in this episode and you didn't like The Conjuring, but
as at least like the first one. So at least it's a unifier.
(34:55):
Absolutely. You know, I'm excited for the
4th one. Me too.
Yeah. And I'm gonna see if our
rankings are gonna change at all.
We're gonna get 2 James Wands and two Chavez's.
All right, well, we are all prepared to go into last rites.
We've done our due diligence in watching the first 3 again.
Yeah, can't wait. So let us know what you think of
The Conjuring universe, If we should check out the last
(35:18):
Annabelle and the second nun. Are we missing out?
Yeah, Are they worth it? All right, until next time.
Bye.
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