May 5, 2025 • 32 mins
Get your guitar in tune, it's time to review of The Last of Us season 2, episode 4: Day One. On the menu: Isaac’s introduction, WLFs vs Seraphites, Take on Me, intestinal chandeliers, the train ride from hell, secrets revealed, and more!
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(00:00) - Intro
(02:21) - General Thoughts On EP 4
(03:46) - Isaac & The WLF
(13:26) - Seattle Day One
(15:43) - Pride & Queerness in the Series
(17:34) - Dina & Ellie Reveal Secrets
(20:58) - Subway & Ending & Final Thoughts
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Don't like looking around. I really like the vibe of this
place. I like the boxes, I like the
ammo, and I definitely like the intestinal chandeliers.
A lot to offer here, You guys are doing a great job.
(00:21):
Hi everyone, welcome to the design Show.
I'm Derek. That's Noah.
Just kidding, this is a bite up and we're talking about The Last
of Us Season 2 Episode 4. Oh, it's 4/4.
I don't know why I skipped aheadan Episode I.
Just thought you were waving magically.
No, I was going to do that, but whatever.
Ignore a finger. Oh, we're in Seattle.
Fully. Ignore a finger.
(00:42):
Ignore a finger that I've never said that to him before.
This is this is rated RI, think NC 17.
But somewhere in Seattle for thefirst time, First full day in
Seattle. We have a lot to talk about
before we get into it. As always, make sure you're
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our sultry voices, talk about fingers and decor.
Keep on doing what you're doing.I have a very sultry voice.
OK, yeah, spoilers ahead. We OK?
I have officially I'm going to try to save game spoilers for
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the end. If it's very if I just can't, if
I can't, if I just got to get itout, I will double spoil it,
right? I will put sirens.
I will put stuff on the screen. You will know another spoiler
for the game is coming, but general blanket spoiler for the
show of The Last of Us. I think that was very fair, very
fair. Spoilers OK.
(01:44):
Let us officially take a bite ofThe Last of Us Season 2 Episode
4, Day One, written by Neil Druckman and directed by Kate
Herron. A new enemy peers in appears in
the form of Isaac, the leader ofthe WLF.
Seattle leaves Elie and Dina with a less than positive first
impression as they realize they have walked into the middle of a
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war. Infected are woken, secrets are
shared, and love is made. Woke Wow.
That's right. Woke Seattle.
They have rainbows. That's the truth.
That's the truth. All right, So what did you
think? Oh, off the top of my noodle.
(02:26):
I feel like it was a better episode than last week.
I still like last week. I'm liking the progression we're
getting. This episode very much was like,
there are secrets that both of our main characters at the
moment have, and it was a way for them to finally get them off
of their chests in whatever way.I like that a lot, and I like
that we're still getting the same beats of their relationship
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from the game, just kind of in adifferent way.
Like it's just showing it and the things that are happening
are just happening differently, but they're at the same point, I
would say, in the game. So that does make me very happy
and we got to see one of my favorite favorite like scenes
from the entire game series in this episode.
So I'm, I'm, I'm quite happy with what we got all.
(03:11):
Right, All right. Yeah.
I think that this episode reallydid a lot to further our plot
along. We are so solidly with Ellie and
Dina now that I feel like this is season 2, you know, and
really the, the feeling of it being like the game.
I, I mean, I've watched you playthe game.
Just the scenes of them chattingwhen they're walk, when they're
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on shimmer. It just feels so much like
you're watching a live action version of the game at this
point. And I think, you know, we have a
brand new enemy here. And so that leads to a lot of
nervous feelings going forward. Yeah, I think a good place to
start for this episode is maybe to talk about Isaac, just
because there's a lot of Isaac in this episode that I don't
(03:54):
think I was expecting this. They do a really good job with
dialogue in literal dialogue, and also just how a conversation
plays out with the camera. When we see Isaac in the past
for the first time, they purposely don't show him, which
I really like. So we get to see inside this
federal truck, right? And there's Josh Peck, of all
people. Hi, obviously seems like the the
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popular guy in this group or whatever.
And then we have the the green person that's just trying to fit
along and kind of just be with the banter.
And when it finally reveals Isaac in that I was like, oh,
that was excellent story to telling one hiding him because
people fans of the game know whohe is, but also just Jeffrey
Wright just seeing him show up in another HBO show.
(04:40):
But we can. We love to see him.
But just that deafening silence whenever they asked, like, what
voter means? Like, why do we call him voter?
And then Jeffrey Wright telling him it's because we took away
their right to vote. Chilling, chilling stuff.
Yeah, it's interesting. As far as this character of
Isaac, well, first of all, like you said, I mean, Jeffrey Wright
is just an incredible actor. He can kind of do anything.
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And so to have him appear in this is really exciting.
He brings such a solidity to this character and immediately
commands the attention of everyone, both the cast and the
viewer of the show. He just has such presence on
screen and I think the moment you hear his voice, you are
listening to him. And So what he does, that's
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really interesting, I think really shows who this character
is going to become of he's sitting with these fellow
Federal soldiers, but he immediately is kind of pushing
back at the banter, pushing backat what they're saying.
And so I think that really sets up who this character is.
And I mean, yeah, I think he does push back, but he also it
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also feels like he is already very sure and what he's about to
do. And so he's just over it, right?
This episode does a good job andalso worries me.
There's there's two things that are happening in this episode
that like I like, but also are worrying is we see, we see
Isaac, the whole point of this flashback is to show Isaac
leaving Phedra because he's fed up with Phedra and to join the
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wolves, right? And then then later lead the
wolves and everything. But so he he left that because
he felt like Phedra was being oppressive to the people, but
now and being violent and everything to the people.
And now we see the wolves doing the same thing to what they call
the Seraphytes, the Scars, but also the Seraphytes are doing
the same thing to them. So as we've talked about in
(06:28):
this, this journey now for season 2 is very much about the
cycle of violence. We have Abby and Ellie.
Joel's cycle of violence led to his ultimate demise.
But being in this, so we're getting like a secondary cycle
of violence almost and had it only worries me that like, is it
going to be played out a little too much because we're seeing
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the same cycle happen And I don't like I want them to
whenever they get to the Abbey stuff in the alley, stuff
forward to feel a little fresher, more gut punchy then
like, OK, we've been kind of like seeing this.
So that that does worry me. I have high hopes.
It's a theme, but like we're sitting with it in the show.
So when we have like a whole nother season that's planned.
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So how long is this going to be stretched out?
Yes, we as humans are very flawed and continue to do the
same things over and over again.Well, it's all about tribalism,
right? Yeah, that's what this entire
like that's the infected aren't the worst thing.
It's the tribalism that humans do.
And, you know, there's part of me that thinks about this is
just one city, right? So it's like things like this
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could be playing out all over the country.
And so instead of coming together in times of scarcity,
of course we're going to be fighting and pushing our own
beliefs on to other groups of people.
But you know, I do wonder, you know, in the fact that this is
going to be, there is another season, there is going to be a
season 3 and yet we only have the two games to pull from.
It does seem like they are goingto need to flesh out some of
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these things a little more. So, you know, having this
introduction of this Hanrahan character who is played by Ilana
Yubach, who if you don't know, it's just like an incredible
actor. Oh my gosh.
Like, I've loved Ilana Yubach since she was on Beekman's
World, which was like ages and ages and ages ago.
But and she's just done stellar work throughout her whole
career, popping up all over the place.
(08:13):
But, you know, I feel like we'regoing to have to dig into that,
right? So it feels like he's joining
forces with this person. But then when we meet him sort
of in the present timeline, he'sthe leader.
What happened to Hanrahan? Is she gone?
You know, did he kill her? Did he double cross her?
Like he double crossed the federal agents?
So, you know, I just think that this kind of secondary cycle of
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violence is really to pad the season to fulfill, you know,
extra plot points. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we, we have gotten, I would say like the first couple
episodes, we've gotten like the whole first episode and then
like really the episode after Joel's death, like those don't
exist in the games. So as long as they keep doing
that, we'll be fine. Just see these similar themes
(08:58):
that are going on because we also, we got it in the town hall
as well. We got, you know, just seeing
how, like, communities and things are structured around
what it means to go after justice, what it means to get
revenge and everything. So it's like, I don't know, it
just seemed a little heavy-handed on that.
So I wish we would just have a little more like, I don't know,
like, let's just see how it plays out instead of being like,
(09:19):
guys, by the way, like we're on this path of revenge.
Yeah. We all want to freaking get
justice for Pietro Pascal not being in the show.
Totally. Yeah, I mean it.
Maybe it's just to show how eviland despicable he is, right?
Yeah, yeah. But we see it on both sides,
right? And I think this episode did a
good job of showing Isaac being absolutely terrifying when we
(09:41):
finally see who he's talking to in that kitchen and it's a
Seraphight member, just completely nude, obviously been
tortured and beat up. And the conversations that they
have is is showing that, right? They say the same exact things
to each other. They one says you kill kids, one
says you harm kids. It's the same thing, but they're
saying it to each other on just different sides of the fence.
(10:03):
And it, I think it is frustrating for us as, as as a
viewer, it's just being like, stop it.
Like just get along. I know, but it it almost seems
like we want that, but Dang, that's not reality, is it?
And so it's just this horrible conversation.
(10:24):
You're right again, it's anothercycle.
It's saying the same thing back and forth.
I guess the question is, how long are we going to have to sit
in all this? Like, are we going to have to
keep watching this back and forth and back and forth between
the wolves and the Seraphytes and then just just throw Ellie
and Dina in there just for fun? Yes, yeah.
(10:44):
I mean, well, because this is, we're seeing what Ellie and Dina
are walking into. They have their own mission.
Abby set out on her own mission,but there's communities and
there is unfortunately also justwar happening between these two.
And that's what they're walking into, yeah.
I think that was a question I had at the beginning of the
season is like, you know, the first season really felt geared
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towards bringing this young person who is immune to this to
find a cure. But now that seems like that's
not an option anymore. So what is this world?
Guess it's just. Well, now we're seeing strife,
right? But I, I think now we're seeing
the world and I think what they did originally in the game and
in the show, and it was just thestory in general, what the
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beautiful thing that they did was that they showed the
beginning of it and they showed you, oh, there's hope, like
somebody's immune. And then when we don't get to
get that, then what does this story hold?
That's like, oh, now we actuallyget to know about the world, the
greater world, because we didn'treally get to see too much of it
in the first game and in the first season.
So now that we're seeing it, it's, it sucks, no.
(11:50):
Yeah, but incredibly brutal. But I really liked the scene in
this kitchen. You know, we have Isaac's
character talking about the the pans that he wanted, but you
know, he finally got them just and not the way he probably
wanted. But then to see the Seraphight
person just completely be overlylike, Nope, I'm ride or die with
my cause and with the prophet and everything that they say,
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like you were not going to be able to get this out of me.
You can burn me. And then when he turned around,
he already had his hand up. I was like, oh, shit, yeah, OK.
Like, that was badass. It was hard as fuck, but it was
awesome. Yeah, and and that scene, it
really feels like you're more onthe Seraphytes side, right?
And and kind of they seem like they have kind of taken a step
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back from what's normal in society in the sense of like
they're just using bows and bowsand arrows and simple things
like that. Whereas like this is just AWLF
is just a military. Yeah, I'm excited for you to see
more of these two groups. I I will not talk about them
outside of what we see in the show because I think it's a
(12:54):
disservice to even tell you because you haven't seen it.
I'm not going to spoil it for you and I'm not going to spoil
it for you, but I like how they're interpreting these
characters on TV and what we're seeing.
But Speaking of, I guess the threats, you're right.
So we have Isaac we saw in the past in the present.
I love when the show does that, when it shows like kind of
(13:15):
rewinds a little bit to then show you how it is in the
present or like what led to thatmoment.
I think they do a very strong past and present in this series.
But so we're in Seattle, right? And we get the title card,
Seattle day one, which is very much it's literally from the
game. Like you go into Seattle, it's
Seattle day one and every day itshows that title card.
(13:36):
So I'm curious if in the next couple episodes if it's going to
say day 2, day three. So what do you think about
Seattle and how how it looks andhow it feels and the dangers
that they walk into? Yeah, well, Seattle is a mess
for sure. And I think that, I mean, that's
obviously an understatement. And one of the interesting
things is that these two groups are existing in this city but
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are on polar opposite ends of everything.
And, you know, when Ellie and Dina are kind of running through
the city, it, it's so interesting to me that WLF has
this whole place mapped out, right?
They know where each crack and crevice leads to.
And while it looks so lush and green and beautiful on the
outside, it seems like really onthe inside it's a hell hole and
(14:22):
a trap. Yeah, I liked there's specific
moments in this episode that arepulled verbatim from the game
when they go and see that tank and the whole conversation with
the astronauts and everything and seeing the pride flags and
all of that. That's literally from the game.
And I love that they kept the small little moments in there
because those in between momentsin the game of those action
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sequences or when you learn moreabout those characters, when you
actually get to feel for those characters and that playing,
that's playing the same, I guessrole and specific need in the
show as well. And so we get to see like, oh,
when did Ellie learn about space?
Like when did she learn about that?
Maybe we'll find out, but it's showing that like, they are very
much invested in each other and learning about it.
(15:06):
You can kind of see the scars, not just from the bombing from
when the infection started, but just with the wolves and
Federer. And then we got to see the scars
and wolves. So it's like there's a lot, a
lot of history here. And again, these girls are just,
they're not, they're in over their heads, I think.
And it's only going to get worsefrom here.
I mean, they're two people, right?
(15:29):
And they're young, and although they have spirit, that can only
get you so far. And I really am worried for them
here. But along the lines of what you
were saying about kind of like when they learned about certain
things, I was actually surprisedthat they didn't realize what
the rainbow flags were for. Especially when you have Seth,
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you know, using hate language, you would wish that there was
like, someone teaching them about pride and about coming
together. But I guess in the apocalypse
you can only focus on so much. Yeah, this, this series has an
interesting relationship with queerness.
You know, in the first season wegot the Bill and Frank episode.
We got to see these two men thatare very much men and probably
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weren't able to show who they really loved or act on that.
And they found each other and we're able to live this long,
beautiful life. And then we also find out in
this episode that like Dina had talked to her mother, I believe
she said, and she's like, I likegirls and boys.
And her mother was very much like you like boys.
So it's very much like her bisexuality was being erased
from her and that's what she saw.
(16:33):
And we have Seth, we have bigotry and we have homophobia
in here. But like, there's no gay person
like having pride anywhere. That's what I'm saying.
Like there's no pride month in like in Jackson, there's.
Got to be an LGBT center at least.
Something. Yeah.
So it is sad in thinking that maybe they just haven't had
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time. Maybe, like, there is hardly any
queer people. It's nice that these two queer
people have found each other. But you know, what does that
say? Maybe a society isn't at the
moment of like, let's celebrate things yet or let's talk about
these things. Who knows what else?
They're not being told. But I don't know.
It is. It is kind of sad when they're
(17:16):
like, oh, oh, there goes happy rainbow town.
Like now we're in the shed. Like, no, that's for you.
You should know about that. Yeah.
But I mean, as we've been saying, looking at society as a
whole, what what The Last of Us is showing us is that we just go
down to primal nonsense. Yeah, and Speaking of both of
them having each other, both of them have secrets that they're
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keeping from each other. That thing that I was talking
about, my favorite scene from the entire series, there's two,
and they both just happen to have a guitar in them.
We still haven't seen one of them, but Ellie playing take on
me for Dina pulled directly fromthe game.
I love that we got to sit with this moment.
We got to hear Bella Ramsey singthe entire song.
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I think it was just absolutely beautiful.
I would be lying if I didn't sayI was teary and I was on the
verge of crying just because it's just so beautiful that you
have, again, all this terribleness.
But then we're sitting with these two characters and Oh my
God. Like Dina, the Izzy's acting in
this particular scene is tellingso much without literally saying
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anything. We know after watching it, she
had the secret, but also we can see that this is the moment that
she's like, this is my person, like this is the person I want
to be with. But she's also able to just be
in this moment, you know, and and so is Ellie.
Ellie's being able to express herself in this way that she's
very visibly not just going intothe square in Jackson and
playing with the guitar. So like, how often is she
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playing this? And then, sorry, layer on the
cake, right? This is just such a beautiful
way to remind us and have a memory of Joel in this.
And she even asked, did Joel teach you that?
And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's he's a pretty good teacher.
It's just, oh, it's there's so much, there's so many layers and
it's so emotional. And I think they just nailed it
(19:08):
in the scene. It honestly looked a much more
beautiful in the show than it did in the game.
And they both look great. The flowers just just amazing.
Yeah, it's a it's it's an absolutely beautiful scene.
And I think that it allows us all to kind of collectively take
a breath and enjoy the relationship before Mayhem
begins. And so having this moment of
connection between the two of them where they've kind of been
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go, go, go the entire time, allowing them to kind of just
sit in this moment and be with each other.
And like you said, Izzy's acting, I thought in this entire
episode was really phenomenal. She is just so emotional.
And with just the way she is able to communicate those
emotions sets with her with justwith her eyes, you know, there's
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such power in that. And the scene is just really
gorgeous. And I love that, you know, Bella
is truly playing the guitar and singing and really bringing just
that vulnerability to this moment, Especially for Ellie,
who is so guarded and so forceful.
It's it's really a nice scene. And also just to see like a
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guitar that was shielded from the bombing and from the
elements and but still perfectlypreserved just for her in this
moment is I hope she goes back for it.
I I will say my 1 hiccup for this episode was that there were
way too many guitars still in that place.
They're all. Shit though, what about the
looting? You know what I mean?
(20:36):
People would have grabbed all that stuff in the end.
Absolutely. I would have bought just the one
kind of in the in the case still, but you know, that's just
a minor Derek thing that I see. I don't care.
We got the scene because of it, so.
No, the one guitar could have still been there.
It was just all the other guitars were.
(20:56):
Yeah, it's fine. All right.
So kind of going to the end of this episode, we get a they did
really did not lie about there'sjust more infected in this
season. Even though we're not getting
them, I think a lot throughout these episodes, we're getting a
lot of them in like big sequences.
So this whole scene where they're running from the wolves,
(21:17):
we get to see, as you mentioned at the top of this episode, the
intestinal chandelier of these wolf people that the Seraphites
have put up there. This entire episode did such a
good job of like, oh, what did Dina see in the pharmacy that
like we didn't get to see? So there's just this like
mystery building. And then on top of that, this
(21:38):
tension just builds and builds and builds of them fighting
these both people getting out and trying to escape from them,
hiding constantly for a good chunk of this episode.
And then a swarm of infected going through the train that
sideways on top of it in throughit, through the windows.
It's just, it's so good. It's so freaking fantastic that
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they were able to just build this massive set piece for this,
Yeah. These infected roots that are
now running through the country are really just messing things
up for everyone. And so it's almost like this
carelessness of just moving through your environment,
they're not even aware of it. And that's what happened in
Jackson, and now that's what's happening here in Seattle.
(22:22):
And so to see the wolf's kind ofset this off.
I did feel happy that, you know,Dina and and Ellie had the upper
hand in this moment. You know, where they stopped,
They listened. And you know, Dina's counting,
but it goes up from more than just the five on her hand.
This is all I have. Yeah, she's like, that's it.
(22:43):
And so this scene, it's like I felt like I needed this scene,
especially between last episode and this episode.
It's like while I'm here for thehuman drama, at the end of it,
you know, it's a zombie story ina way, right?
So I want the infected. I want that mindless hunger.
That's where it gets scary. And that tension of them going
through the cars of the train. I was on the edge of my seat and
(23:05):
I really loved it. I loved feeling that again.
Yeah, they did a really good jobof just building and building
and building on top of that. Even just with, you know, you
think they escaped the infected and then it's like the wolves
are there or or vice versa. And it's just it's just such a
good showcase of again, what theshow has to offer.
(23:25):
I love that shot of when Ellie closes the car door and the
clicker is right there. Just just great.
Just fantastic work all around for everybody.
And then we get to kind of the ending of this episode and Ellie
gets bit. She will literally, you know,
sacrifice her arm for Dina. That turnstile scene that I did
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not like that. I, I don't like, I don't like
going to those turnstiles outside of the apocalypse.
I always think that, you know, in the city where you see that,
like, there's that bar that willstop it from going the other
way. I'm like, I'm going to die.
Like, there's no way I would possibly die.
But like, if I don't get out of this, somebody's just going to
keep pushing me. Oh.
Yeah, you never know. You get turned into spaghetti.
During rush hour. Oh yeah, it's brutal.
(24:08):
You got to be quick. Yeah, you got to be quick.
Yeah. So seeing Dina, like, not being
able to push it in that that runner coming right up to her.
And then Ellie put in her arm, which good job, Ellie was just
fantastic. And then I'm getting smushed.
That's me. That's me.
Smooshed. Yeah, smooshed.
But then we have this, like, really heightened moment of Dina
(24:30):
having to do the thing, the worst thing that I think she
would ever have to do in this moment, right?
Like, oh, I joked about shootingyou in the face, but now I am
actually going to have to do this.
Like I'm pregnant one. I'm way far away from home and
now I have to kill the person that I love.
So having that parallel, if having such a beautiful moment
(24:52):
would take on me to then having to shoot her in the face is just
awful. But I liked that they kind of
peppered in some humor with it with her waking up going like
with the water. I'm like, really no sudden
movements, but they both lay it out there, right?
Ellie finally can tell her that she's immune.
(25:12):
Dina finally says that she's pregnant.
And then they bump. They've they finally get to
bump. What did you think about like
this kind of high tension then ending in them having sex?
I mean, I love the poetry of it,of this high tension of them
running away, almost dying, Dinathinking she's losing her only
(25:34):
ally in this moment to then being OK.
All the secrets are out. I did not see Dina being
pregnant coming at all. That completely got me.
I was like, you know, sexually active.
What's happening? What else are they going to do?
True, not learn about pride, butI I I like this crescendo moment
(26:02):
of them finally being able to release all the tension drop,
you know, all of the can I finish drop all these pretenses
that they've had up and just finally just lay it all out
there. Yeah, it all sounded very
sexual, but I'm all made sense. It's called metaphors.
(26:23):
No, but I, I, I appreciated that, but I just was like so
confused with like how it kind of became insta love in a way.
And they're like, well, we're getting married and we're
raising the baby together and that's just the end of the
story. Like that felt a little fast to
me. Well.
Yeah, You know how I had mentioned I think in the last
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episode, I'm like, oh, by this moment, they're kind of like
already a thing. They've already bumped, which is
why I said that again, they theygo to the library in the the
episode or the part where Joel does die, it's Dina and Ellie
that are traveling instead of Jesse and they go to the library
and then that's where they hook up, right?
And they kind of become a thing there.
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So they're at the same point now, but it's like it was just
shifted around a little differently.
I don't know if it was as effective.
Again, I liked it. I'm fully invested in their
relationship. I think they both have done a
great job of carrying this show so far.
It was just a little jarring with like how high tension it
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was just building and building. And I'm not too sure like
personally, them hooking up was like the release of that tension
that I was expecting or wanted. But then again, I don't know
where they could have went because what happened in the
last episode, it almost ends thesame way of just both of them
staring off into the distance, which I'm like, OK, it's like
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it's ending the same way the last one did.
So I guess what I'm saying is like, where are the emotional, I
guess, consequences of like, thestuff that happened in the
episode leading up to that moment?
I get that they get to release that, but I don't know, it's
like, OK, now they're at the same place.
They just, like, love each otheropenly.
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Yeah. Does that make sense?
Like, I'm. I don't hate it.
I'm just more of like, OK, like,sure.
But was that OK? I guess?
Where else would they put? It I just think we needed more
time. They needed more time, you know,
not even necessarily the the sex, having sex with each other,
but just like how we told each other our secrets, we had sex
and that means we're in love andspending the rest of our lives
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together. Well, I think they were already
like that. They were already ride and die
obviously, but I think with themopenly being that way.
Ride or die, Yeah, yeah, you're like, they're riding and dying.
Well, well, yes, but yeah, I guess that's the right way to
say that. Oh my God, I've been saying that
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wrong this my whole life. They're writing and dying.
The more you know. But they will.
I think they've always been thatway.
Maybe it just was in the show's detriment that it didn't show it
that well or wasn't that apparent.
But that's the feeling I got because I believe they did say
even just going to Seattle, likeboth of them were like, yeah,
I'm, I'm in this with you. And I think that they both don't
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care how far they're going to goas long as they do it together.
Because Ellie is worried. She's like, you're pregnant now
with Jesse's kid, Like you got to go back and she's like, no,
I'm I'm going to do this with you.
And they're. OK, Yeah, Yeah.
And there was a moment in this episode where they have kind of
like, have a mini conversation of like, you know, if something
happens, they kind of look at each other and they're like, you
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know, what to do. Yeah, right.
And so there is that mentality. Again, it's the world that they
live in, so I guess it would it be safer for Dina just to turn
around. Also, by the way, Shimmer, I
hope they go back and get Shimmer because he's just
hanging out in that music store.There is a lot of grass there
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for shimmer so. Well, how are they going to get
back? I don't know.
They went down through a subway and came back up.
Where's Shimmer? I don't know.
They're just so shimmer's in themusic store.
They the the the intestinal chandelier was at ATV station
and they are now in like a gianttheater.
So I don't know the map. I don't know Seattle.
We need Dina's map, Yeah, and then we can figure it out.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see if
shimmer, it just finds their way.
Because in the game, what's funny about the game is that if
you get off a shimmer to go likeexplore a building or something,
shimmer just kind of like Mosey's kind of where you are.
So if you come out a different way, Shimmer's just like hi
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guys. So if they do that in the next
episode, I'd be very happy because that's really funny.
Personally, I'm happy that Shimmer is in a shelter with
plenty of grass and is safe for the moment so that I like.
Right. That I like.
Well, they wouldn't go out of the way to kill a horse, you
know what I mean? Infected would.
OK, so yeah, never mind. Yeah, I'm glad that Shimmer is
in safety. I'm like, the humans would just
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steal Shimmer. They're like a cool horse.
But yeah, I guess infected wouldeat them if there's no they.
Sure would. Humans.
OK. Yeah.
So yeah. I think so.
I think as far as plot is concerned, this move things
along, but I think with some of the relationship stuff, it moves
it along too quickly. That's just my own personal
thing, but I'm scared of Isaac and let's leave it.
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At that, yeah, I think they had to I agree with you.
I think that there was some moments, again, I, I don't mean
to harp on the the library thingwhen I just kind of said they
cut out the library, but I guessthey had to move their
relationship up and this was thebest time to do it, Honestly,
sooner better than later, you know?
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But yeah, I'm very excited. I again, this whole cast, I
think Oscar Isaac, Oscar Isaac, Oh my God, Jeffrey Wright.
His name's Isaac. So I don't know.
Jeffrey Wright is the only voiceactor from the show to come in
and play the character that theyvoiced because he voiced Isaac
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in the game. We have other people like Astley
Johnson and Troy Baker and stuff.
They came back as other characters.
Same thing with the the woman that voiced Abby.
So I think he's the only one that came back.
Very cool. Also HBO loves him so makes
sense. And I love him, yeah.
We do. OK, so see you very soon for
Doctor Who. If you've been following us with
that, that's episode 5 or just next week.
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If you're just following our Last of Us episodes, Episode 5
next week. All right, let us know what you
thought of episode 4 and we'll see you on the next one.
Almost done. Goodbye.
Don't like looking around. I really like the vibe of this
place. I like the boxes, I like the
ammo, and I definitely like the intestinal chandeliers.
A lot to offer here, You guys are doing a great job.
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Hi everyone, welcome to the design Show.
I'm Derek. That's Noah.
Just kidding, this is a bite up and we're talking about The Last
of Us Season 2 Episode 4. Oh, it's 4/4.
I don't know why I skipped aheadan Episode I.
Just thought you were waving magically.
No, I was going to do that, but whatever.
Ignore a finger. Oh, we're in Seattle.
Fully. Ignore a finger.
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Ignore a finger that I've never said that to him before.
This is this is rated RI, think NC 17.
But somewhere in Seattle for thefirst time, First full day in
Seattle. We have a lot to talk about
before we get into it. As always, make sure you're
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OK, yeah, spoilers ahead. We OK?
I have officially I'm going to try to save game spoilers for
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the end. If it's very if I just can't, if
I can't, if I just got to get itout, I will double spoil it,
right? I will put sirens.
I will put stuff on the screen. You will know another spoiler
for the game is coming, but general blanket spoiler for the
show of The Last of Us. I think that was very fair, very
fair. Spoilers OK.
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Let us officially take a bite ofThe Last of Us Season 2 Episode
4, Day One, written by Neil Druckman and directed by Kate
Herron. A new enemy peers in appears in
the form of Isaac, the leader ofthe WLF.
Seattle leaves Elie and Dina with a less than positive first
impression as they realize they have walked into the middle of a
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war. Infected are woken, secrets are
shared, and love is made. Woke Wow.
That's right. Woke Seattle.
They have rainbows. That's the truth.
That's the truth. All right, So what did you
think? Oh, off the top of my noodle.
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I feel like it was a better episode than last week.
I still like last week. I'm liking the progression we're
getting. This episode very much was like,
there are secrets that both of our main characters at the
moment have, and it was a way for them to finally get them off
of their chests in whatever way.I like that a lot, and I like
that we're still getting the same beats of their relationship
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from the game, just kind of in adifferent way.
Like it's just showing it and the things that are happening
are just happening differently, but they're at the same point, I
would say, in the game. So that does make me very happy
and we got to see one of my favorite favorite like scenes
from the entire game series in this episode.
So I'm, I'm, I'm quite happy with what we got all.
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Right, All right. Yeah.
I think that this episode reallydid a lot to further our plot
along. We are so solidly with Ellie and
Dina now that I feel like this is season 2, you know, and
really the, the feeling of it being like the game.
I, I mean, I've watched you playthe game.
Just the scenes of them chattingwhen they're walk, when they're
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on shimmer. It just feels so much like
you're watching a live action version of the game at this
point. And I think, you know, we have a
brand new enemy here. And so that leads to a lot of
nervous feelings going forward. Yeah, I think a good place to
start for this episode is maybe to talk about Isaac, just
because there's a lot of Isaac in this episode that I don't
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think I was expecting this. They do a really good job with
dialogue in literal dialogue, and also just how a conversation
plays out with the camera. When we see Isaac in the past
for the first time, they purposely don't show him, which
I really like. So we get to see inside this
federal truck, right? And there's Josh Peck, of all
people. Hi, obviously seems like the the
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popular guy in this group or whatever.
And then we have the the green person that's just trying to fit
along and kind of just be with the banter.
And when it finally reveals Isaac in that I was like, oh,
that was excellent story to telling one hiding him because
people fans of the game know whohe is, but also just Jeffrey
Wright just seeing him show up in another HBO show.
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But we can. We love to see him.
But just that deafening silence whenever they asked, like, what
voter means? Like, why do we call him voter?
And then Jeffrey Wright telling him it's because we took away
their right to vote. Chilling, chilling stuff.
Yeah, it's interesting. As far as this character of
Isaac, well, first of all, like you said, I mean, Jeffrey Wright
is just an incredible actor. He can kind of do anything.
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And so to have him appear in this is really exciting.
He brings such a solidity to this character and immediately
commands the attention of everyone, both the cast and the
viewer of the show. He just has such presence on
screen and I think the moment you hear his voice, you are
listening to him. And So what he does, that's
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really interesting, I think really shows who this character
is going to become of he's sitting with these fellow
Federal soldiers, but he immediately is kind of pushing
back at the banter, pushing backat what they're saying.
And so I think that really sets up who this character is.
And I mean, yeah, I think he does push back, but he also it
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also feels like he is already very sure and what he's about to
do. And so he's just over it, right?
This episode does a good job andalso worries me.
There's there's two things that are happening in this episode
that like I like, but also are worrying is we see, we see
Isaac, the whole point of this flashback is to show Isaac
leaving Phedra because he's fed up with Phedra and to join the
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wolves, right? And then then later lead the
wolves and everything. But so he he left that because
he felt like Phedra was being oppressive to the people, but
now and being violent and everything to the people.
And now we see the wolves doing the same thing to what they call
the Seraphytes, the Scars, but also the Seraphytes are doing
the same thing to them. So as we've talked about in
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this, this journey now for season 2 is very much about the
cycle of violence. We have Abby and Ellie.
Joel's cycle of violence led to his ultimate demise.
But being in this, so we're getting like a secondary cycle
of violence almost and had it only worries me that like, is it
going to be played out a little too much because we're seeing
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the same cycle happen And I don't like I want them to
whenever they get to the Abbey stuff in the alley, stuff
forward to feel a little fresher, more gut punchy then
like, OK, we've been kind of like seeing this.
So that that does worry me. I have high hopes.
It's a theme, but like we're sitting with it in the show.
So when we have like a whole nother season that's planned.
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So how long is this going to be stretched out?
Yes, we as humans are very flawed and continue to do the
same things over and over again.Well, it's all about tribalism,
right? Yeah, that's what this entire
like that's the infected aren't the worst thing.
It's the tribalism that humans do.
And, you know, there's part of me that thinks about this is
just one city, right? So it's like things like this
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could be playing out all over the country.
And so instead of coming together in times of scarcity,
of course we're going to be fighting and pushing our own
beliefs on to other groups of people.
But you know, I do wonder, you know, in the fact that this is
going to be, there is another season, there is going to be a
season 3 and yet we only have the two games to pull from.
It does seem like they are goingto need to flesh out some of
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these things a little more. So, you know, having this
introduction of this Hanrahan character who is played by Ilana
Yubach, who if you don't know, it's just like an incredible
actor. Oh my gosh.
Like, I've loved Ilana Yubach since she was on Beekman's
World, which was like ages and ages and ages ago.
But and she's just done stellar work throughout her whole
career, popping up all over the place.
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But, you know, I feel like we'regoing to have to dig into that,
right? So it feels like he's joining
forces with this person. But then when we meet him sort
of in the present timeline, he'sthe leader.
What happened to Hanrahan? Is she gone?
You know, did he kill her? Did he double cross her?
Like he double crossed the federal agents?
So, you know, I just think that this kind of secondary cycle of
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violence is really to pad the season to fulfill, you know,
extra plot points. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we, we have gotten, I would say like the first couple
episodes, we've gotten like the whole first episode and then
like really the episode after Joel's death, like those don't
exist in the games. So as long as they keep doing
that, we'll be fine. Just see these similar themes
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that are going on because we also, we got it in the town hall
as well. We got, you know, just seeing
how, like, communities and things are structured around
what it means to go after justice, what it means to get
revenge and everything. So it's like, I don't know, it
just seemed a little heavy-handed on that.
So I wish we would just have a little more like, I don't know,
like, let's just see how it plays out instead of being like,
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guys, by the way, like we're on this path of revenge.
Yeah. We all want to freaking get
justice for Pietro Pascal not being in the show.
Totally. Yeah, I mean it.
Maybe it's just to show how eviland despicable he is, right?
Yeah, yeah. But we see it on both sides,
right? And I think this episode did a
good job of showing Isaac being absolutely terrifying when we
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finally see who he's talking to in that kitchen and it's a
Seraphight member, just completely nude, obviously been
tortured and beat up. And the conversations that they
have is is showing that, right? They say the same exact things
to each other. They one says you kill kids, one
says you harm kids. It's the same thing, but they're
saying it to each other on just different sides of the fence.
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And it, I think it is frustrating for us as, as as a
viewer, it's just being like, stop it.
Like just get along. I know, but it it almost seems
like we want that, but Dang, that's not reality, is it?
And so it's just this horrible conversation.
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You're right again, it's anothercycle.
It's saying the same thing back and forth.
I guess the question is, how long are we going to have to sit
in all this? Like, are we going to have to
keep watching this back and forth and back and forth between
the wolves and the Seraphytes and then just just throw Ellie
and Dina in there just for fun? Yes, yeah.
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I mean, well, because this is, we're seeing what Ellie and Dina
are walking into. They have their own mission.
Abby set out on her own mission,but there's communities and
there is unfortunately also justwar happening between these two.
And that's what they're walking into, yeah.
I think that was a question I had at the beginning of the
season is like, you know, the first season really felt geared
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towards bringing this young person who is immune to this to
find a cure. But now that seems like that's
not an option anymore. So what is this world?
Guess it's just. Well, now we're seeing strife,
right? But I, I think now we're seeing
the world and I think what they did originally in the game and
in the show, and it was just thestory in general, what the
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beautiful thing that they did was that they showed the
beginning of it and they showed you, oh, there's hope, like
somebody's immune. And then when we don't get to
get that, then what does this story hold?
That's like, oh, now we actuallyget to know about the world, the
greater world, because we didn'treally get to see too much of it
in the first game and in the first season.
So now that we're seeing it, it's, it sucks, no.
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Yeah, but incredibly brutal. But I really liked the scene in
this kitchen. You know, we have Isaac's
character talking about the the pans that he wanted, but you
know, he finally got them just and not the way he probably
wanted. But then to see the Seraphight
person just completely be overlylike, Nope, I'm ride or die with
my cause and with the prophet and everything that they say,
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like you were not going to be able to get this out of me.
You can burn me. And then when he turned around,
he already had his hand up. I was like, oh, shit, yeah, OK.
Like, that was badass. It was hard as fuck, but it was
awesome. Yeah, and and that scene, it
really feels like you're more onthe Seraphytes side, right?
And and kind of they seem like they have kind of taken a step
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back from what's normal in society in the sense of like
they're just using bows and bowsand arrows and simple things
like that. Whereas like this is just AWLF
is just a military. Yeah, I'm excited for you to see
more of these two groups. I I will not talk about them
outside of what we see in the show because I think it's a
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disservice to even tell you because you haven't seen it.
I'm not going to spoil it for you and I'm not going to spoil
it for you, but I like how they're interpreting these
characters on TV and what we're seeing.
But Speaking of, I guess the threats, you're right.
So we have Isaac we saw in the past in the present.
I love when the show does that, when it shows like kind of
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rewinds a little bit to then show you how it is in the
present or like what led to thatmoment.
I think they do a very strong past and present in this series.
But so we're in Seattle, right? And we get the title card,
Seattle day one, which is very much it's literally from the
game. Like you go into Seattle, it's
Seattle day one and every day itshows that title card.
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So I'm curious if in the next couple episodes if it's going to
say day 2, day three. So what do you think about
Seattle and how how it looks andhow it feels and the dangers
that they walk into? Yeah, well, Seattle is a mess
for sure. And I think that, I mean, that's
obviously an understatement. And one of the interesting
things is that these two groups are existing in this city but
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are on polar opposite ends of everything.
And, you know, when Ellie and Dina are kind of running through
the city, it, it's so interesting to me that WLF has
this whole place mapped out, right?
They know where each crack and crevice leads to.
And while it looks so lush and green and beautiful on the
outside, it seems like really onthe inside it's a hell hole and
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a trap. Yeah, I liked there's specific
moments in this episode that arepulled verbatim from the game
when they go and see that tank and the whole conversation with
the astronauts and everything and seeing the pride flags and
all of that. That's literally from the game.
And I love that they kept the small little moments in there
because those in between momentsin the game of those action
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sequences or when you learn moreabout those characters, when you
actually get to feel for those characters and that playing,
that's playing the same, I guessrole and specific need in the
show as well. And so we get to see like, oh,
when did Ellie learn about space?
Like when did she learn about that?
Maybe we'll find out, but it's showing that like, they are very
much invested in each other and learning about it.
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You can kind of see the scars, not just from the bombing from
when the infection started, but just with the wolves and
Federer. And then we got to see the scars
and wolves. So it's like there's a lot, a
lot of history here. And again, these girls are just,
they're not, they're in over their heads, I think.
And it's only going to get worsefrom here.
I mean, they're two people, right?
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And they're young, and although they have spirit, that can only
get you so far. And I really am worried for them
here. But along the lines of what you
were saying about kind of like when they learned about certain
things, I was actually surprisedthat they didn't realize what
the rainbow flags were for. Especially when you have Seth,
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you know, using hate language, you would wish that there was
like, someone teaching them about pride and about coming
together. But I guess in the apocalypse
you can only focus on so much. Yeah, this, this series has an
interesting relationship with queerness.
You know, in the first season wegot the Bill and Frank episode.
We got to see these two men thatare very much men and probably
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weren't able to show who they really loved or act on that.
And they found each other and we're able to live this long,
beautiful life. And then we also find out in
this episode that like Dina had talked to her mother, I believe
she said, and she's like, I likegirls and boys.
And her mother was very much like you like boys.
So it's very much like her bisexuality was being erased
from her and that's what she saw.
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And we have Seth, we have bigotry and we have homophobia
in here. But like, there's no gay person
like having pride anywhere. That's what I'm saying.
Like there's no pride month in like in Jackson, there's.
Got to be an LGBT center at least.
Something. Yeah.
So it is sad in thinking that maybe they just haven't had
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time. Maybe, like, there is hardly any
queer people. It's nice that these two queer
people have found each other. But you know, what does that
say? Maybe a society isn't at the
moment of like, let's celebrate things yet or let's talk about
these things. Who knows what else?
They're not being told. But I don't know.
It is. It is kind of sad when they're
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like, oh, oh, there goes happy rainbow town.
Like now we're in the shed. Like, no, that's for you.
You should know about that. Yeah.
But I mean, as we've been saying, looking at society as a
whole, what what The Last of Us is showing us is that we just go
down to primal nonsense. Yeah, and Speaking of both of
them having each other, both of them have secrets that they're
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keeping from each other. That thing that I was talking
about, my favorite scene from the entire series, there's two,
and they both just happen to have a guitar in them.
We still haven't seen one of them, but Ellie playing take on
me for Dina pulled directly fromthe game.
I love that we got to sit with this moment.
We got to hear Bella Ramsey singthe entire song.
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I think it was just absolutely beautiful.
I would be lying if I didn't sayI was teary and I was on the
verge of crying just because it's just so beautiful that you
have, again, all this terribleness.
But then we're sitting with these two characters and Oh my
God. Like Dina, the Izzy's acting in
this particular scene is tellingso much without literally saying
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anything. We know after watching it, she
had the secret, but also we can see that this is the moment that
she's like, this is my person, like this is the person I want
to be with. But she's also able to just be
in this moment, you know, and and so is Ellie.
Ellie's being able to express herself in this way that she's
very visibly not just going intothe square in Jackson and
playing with the guitar. So like, how often is she
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playing this? And then, sorry, layer on the
cake, right? This is just such a beautiful
way to remind us and have a memory of Joel in this.
And she even asked, did Joel teach you that?
And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's he's a pretty good teacher.
It's just, oh, it's there's so much, there's so many layers and
it's so emotional. And I think they just nailed it
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in the scene. It honestly looked a much more
beautiful in the show than it did in the game.
And they both look great. The flowers just just amazing.
Yeah, it's a it's it's an absolutely beautiful scene.
And I think that it allows us all to kind of collectively take
a breath and enjoy the relationship before Mayhem
begins. And so having this moment of
connection between the two of them where they've kind of been
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go, go, go the entire time, allowing them to kind of just
sit in this moment and be with each other.
And like you said, Izzy's acting, I thought in this entire
episode was really phenomenal. She is just so emotional.
And with just the way she is able to communicate those
emotions sets with her with justwith her eyes, you know, there's
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such power in that. And the scene is just really
gorgeous. And I love that, you know, Bella
is truly playing the guitar and singing and really bringing just
that vulnerability to this moment, Especially for Ellie,
who is so guarded and so forceful.
It's it's really a nice scene. And also just to see like a
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guitar that was shielded from the bombing and from the
elements and but still perfectlypreserved just for her in this
moment is I hope she goes back for it.
I I will say my 1 hiccup for this episode was that there were
way too many guitars still in that place.
They're all. Shit though, what about the
looting? You know what I mean?
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People would have grabbed all that stuff in the end.
Absolutely. I would have bought just the one
kind of in the in the case still, but you know, that's just
a minor Derek thing that I see. I don't care.
We got the scene because of it, so.
No, the one guitar could have still been there.
It was just all the other guitars were.
(20:56):
Yeah, it's fine. All right.
So kind of going to the end of this episode, we get a they did
really did not lie about there'sjust more infected in this
season. Even though we're not getting
them, I think a lot throughout these episodes, we're getting a
lot of them in like big sequences.
So this whole scene where they're running from the wolves,
(21:17):
we get to see, as you mentioned at the top of this episode, the
intestinal chandelier of these wolf people that the Seraphites
have put up there. This entire episode did such a
good job of like, oh, what did Dina see in the pharmacy that
like we didn't get to see? So there's just this like
mystery building. And then on top of that, this
(21:38):
tension just builds and builds and builds of them fighting
these both people getting out and trying to escape from them,
hiding constantly for a good chunk of this episode.
And then a swarm of infected going through the train that
sideways on top of it in throughit, through the windows.
It's just, it's so good. It's so freaking fantastic that
(22:00):
they were able to just build this massive set piece for this,
Yeah. These infected roots that are
now running through the country are really just messing things
up for everyone. And so it's almost like this
carelessness of just moving through your environment,
they're not even aware of it. And that's what happened in
Jackson, and now that's what's happening here in Seattle.
(22:22):
And so to see the wolf's kind ofset this off.
I did feel happy that, you know,Dina and and Ellie had the upper
hand in this moment. You know, where they stopped,
They listened. And you know, Dina's counting,
but it goes up from more than just the five on her hand.
This is all I have. Yeah, she's like, that's it.
(22:43):
And so this scene, it's like I felt like I needed this scene,
especially between last episode and this episode.
It's like while I'm here for thehuman drama, at the end of it,
you know, it's a zombie story ina way, right?
So I want the infected. I want that mindless hunger.
That's where it gets scary. And that tension of them going
through the cars of the train. I was on the edge of my seat and
(23:05):
I really loved it. I loved feeling that again.
Yeah, they did a really good jobof just building and building
and building on top of that. Even just with, you know, you
think they escaped the infected and then it's like the wolves
are there or or vice versa. And it's just it's just such a
good showcase of again, what theshow has to offer.
(23:25):
I love that shot of when Ellie closes the car door and the
clicker is right there. Just just great.
Just fantastic work all around for everybody.
And then we get to kind of the ending of this episode and Ellie
gets bit. She will literally, you know,
sacrifice her arm for Dina. That turnstile scene that I did
(23:46):
not like that. I, I don't like, I don't like
going to those turnstiles outside of the apocalypse.
I always think that, you know, in the city where you see that,
like, there's that bar that willstop it from going the other
way. I'm like, I'm going to die.
Like, there's no way I would possibly die.
But like, if I don't get out of this, somebody's just going to
keep pushing me. Oh.
Yeah, you never know. You get turned into spaghetti.
During rush hour. Oh yeah, it's brutal.
(24:08):
You got to be quick. Yeah, you got to be quick.
Yeah. So seeing Dina, like, not being
able to push it in that that runner coming right up to her.
And then Ellie put in her arm, which good job, Ellie was just
fantastic. And then I'm getting smushed.
That's me. That's me.
Smooshed. Yeah, smooshed.
But then we have this, like, really heightened moment of Dina
(24:30):
having to do the thing, the worst thing that I think she
would ever have to do in this moment, right?
Like, oh, I joked about shootingyou in the face, but now I am
actually going to have to do this.
Like I'm pregnant one. I'm way far away from home and
now I have to kill the person that I love.
So having that parallel, if having such a beautiful moment
(24:52):
would take on me to then having to shoot her in the face is just
awful. But I liked that they kind of
peppered in some humor with it with her waking up going like
with the water. I'm like, really no sudden
movements, but they both lay it out there, right?
Ellie finally can tell her that she's immune.
(25:12):
Dina finally says that she's pregnant.
And then they bump. They've they finally get to
bump. What did you think about like
this kind of high tension then ending in them having sex?
I mean, I love the poetry of it,of this high tension of them
running away, almost dying, Dinathinking she's losing her only
(25:34):
ally in this moment to then being OK.
All the secrets are out. I did not see Dina being
pregnant coming at all. That completely got me.
I was like, you know, sexually active.
What's happening? What else are they going to do?
True, not learn about pride, butI I I like this crescendo moment
(26:02):
of them finally being able to release all the tension drop,
you know, all of the can I finish drop all these pretenses
that they've had up and just finally just lay it all out
there. Yeah, it all sounded very
sexual, but I'm all made sense. It's called metaphors.
(26:23):
No, but I, I, I appreciated that, but I just was like so
confused with like how it kind of became insta love in a way.
And they're like, well, we're getting married and we're
raising the baby together and that's just the end of the
story. Like that felt a little fast to
me. Well.
Yeah, You know how I had mentioned I think in the last
(26:43):
episode, I'm like, oh, by this moment, they're kind of like
already a thing. They've already bumped, which is
why I said that again, they theygo to the library in the the
episode or the part where Joel does die, it's Dina and Ellie
that are traveling instead of Jesse and they go to the library
and then that's where they hook up, right?
And they kind of become a thing there.
(27:04):
So they're at the same point now, but it's like it was just
shifted around a little differently.
I don't know if it was as effective.
Again, I liked it. I'm fully invested in their
relationship. I think they both have done a
great job of carrying this show so far.
It was just a little jarring with like how high tension it
(27:24):
was just building and building. And I'm not too sure like
personally, them hooking up was like the release of that tension
that I was expecting or wanted. But then again, I don't know
where they could have went because what happened in the
last episode, it almost ends thesame way of just both of them
staring off into the distance, which I'm like, OK, it's like
(27:46):
it's ending the same way the last one did.
So I guess what I'm saying is like, where are the emotional, I
guess, consequences of like, thestuff that happened in the
episode leading up to that moment?
I get that they get to release that, but I don't know, it's
like, OK, now they're at the same place.
They just, like, love each otheropenly.
(28:08):
Yeah. Does that make sense?
Like, I'm. I don't hate it.
I'm just more of like, OK, like,sure.
But was that OK? I guess?
Where else would they put? It I just think we needed more
time. They needed more time, you know,
not even necessarily the the sex, having sex with each other,
but just like how we told each other our secrets, we had sex
and that means we're in love andspending the rest of our lives
(28:29):
together. Well, I think they were already
like that. They were already ride and die
obviously, but I think with themopenly being that way.
Ride or die, Yeah, yeah, you're like, they're riding and dying.
Well, well, yes, but yeah, I guess that's the right way to
say that. Oh my God, I've been saying that
(28:50):
wrong this my whole life. They're writing and dying.
The more you know. But they will.
I think they've always been thatway.
Maybe it just was in the show's detriment that it didn't show it
that well or wasn't that apparent.
But that's the feeling I got because I believe they did say
even just going to Seattle, likeboth of them were like, yeah,
I'm, I'm in this with you. And I think that they both don't
(29:11):
care how far they're going to goas long as they do it together.
Because Ellie is worried. She's like, you're pregnant now
with Jesse's kid, Like you got to go back and she's like, no,
I'm I'm going to do this with you.
And they're. OK, Yeah, Yeah.
And there was a moment in this episode where they have kind of
like, have a mini conversation of like, you know, if something
happens, they kind of look at each other and they're like, you
(29:34):
know, what to do. Yeah, right.
And so there is that mentality. Again, it's the world that they
live in, so I guess it would it be safer for Dina just to turn
around. Also, by the way, Shimmer, I
hope they go back and get Shimmer because he's just
hanging out in that music store.There is a lot of grass there
(29:54):
for shimmer so. Well, how are they going to get
back? I don't know.
They went down through a subway and came back up.
Where's Shimmer? I don't know.
They're just so shimmer's in themusic store.
They the the the intestinal chandelier was at ATV station
and they are now in like a gianttheater.
So I don't know the map. I don't know Seattle.
We need Dina's map, Yeah, and then we can figure it out.
(30:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see if
shimmer, it just finds their way.
Because in the game, what's funny about the game is that if
you get off a shimmer to go likeexplore a building or something,
shimmer just kind of like Mosey's kind of where you are.
So if you come out a different way, Shimmer's just like hi
(30:37):
guys. So if they do that in the next
episode, I'd be very happy because that's really funny.
Personally, I'm happy that Shimmer is in a shelter with
plenty of grass and is safe for the moment so that I like.
Right. That I like.
Well, they wouldn't go out of the way to kill a horse, you
know what I mean? Infected would.
OK, so yeah, never mind. Yeah, I'm glad that Shimmer is
in safety. I'm like, the humans would just
(30:57):
steal Shimmer. They're like a cool horse.
But yeah, I guess infected wouldeat them if there's no they.
Sure would. Humans.
OK. Yeah.
So yeah. I think so.
I think as far as plot is concerned, this move things
along, but I think with some of the relationship stuff, it moves
it along too quickly. That's just my own personal
thing, but I'm scared of Isaac and let's leave it.
(31:20):
At that, yeah, I think they had to I agree with you.
I think that there was some moments, again, I, I don't mean
to harp on the the library thingwhen I just kind of said they
cut out the library, but I guessthey had to move their
relationship up and this was thebest time to do it, Honestly,
sooner better than later, you know?
(31:42):
But yeah, I'm very excited. I again, this whole cast, I
think Oscar Isaac, Oscar Isaac, Oh my God, Jeffrey Wright.
His name's Isaac. So I don't know.
Jeffrey Wright is the only voiceactor from the show to come in
and play the character that theyvoiced because he voiced Isaac
(32:02):
in the game. We have other people like Astley
Johnson and Troy Baker and stuff.
They came back as other characters.
Same thing with the the woman that voiced Abby.
So I think he's the only one that came back.
Very cool. Also HBO loves him so makes
sense. And I love him, yeah.
We do. OK, so see you very soon for
Doctor Who. If you've been following us with
that, that's episode 5 or just next week.
(32:26):
If you're just following our Last of Us episodes, Episode 5
next week. All right, let us know what you
thought of episode 4 and we'll see you on the next one.
Almost done. Goodbye.
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