August 25, 2025 • 19 mins
Fire up the oven (and rage) for our review of The Roses! On the menu: Olivia Coleman & Benedict Cumberbatch lead a stellar cast, are 2000s films back?, Americans and their firearms, couple communication, epi-pens and more!
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(00:00):
Hello warring spouses, and welcome to the episode.
Today we are taking a bite of the roses.
I. Was very excited when we got the
invitation to go see this movie early.
Thank you for Searchlight's pictures.
(00:20):
I'm excited for people to see this movie.
Has a great cast. We'll get into it Before that.
Make sure you're following us, scribe, follow, leave a review.
All those amazing things. We are doing a new show over on
Patreon where it's a bite of theweek and we talk about pop
culture news, things that stuck out to us.
And you know, we just we gab on the mic about it.
(00:41):
But if that interests you, go over there.
Check it out. Dollar a month, get free stuff.
You know, we'd love a dollar. Please, please, maybe we have a
dollar. And huge spoiler alert, of
course, we're going to be talking about the entire plot of
the roses. So let us officially take a bite
of the roses. Written by Tony McNamara and
directed by Jay Roach. When the tides of their
(01:02):
individual fortunes turn with one freak storm, Ivy and Theo's
once simple life becomes complicated, revealing that
these roses truly have thorns. I was.
Waiting for you to do something with Thorns.
That's right, and I also have some other gardening references
later. Love.
So what did you think of the roses?
(01:23):
I liked it a lot. I think this movie feels like a
2000s movie. I don't know how to describe it
other than that meaning that like so Jay Roach, who did this
movie, it did meet the Fockers, meet the parents did had a stint
of like political movies like the campaign and bombshell and
stuff like that. But it does feel like that.
(01:44):
It feels like those movies, which I really much appreciated.
I I'm glad that we're still getting movies like this in
theaters, but I liked it. I think it was a little darker
than I thought it would be, but it was still really, really
funny. And this cast, if it wasn't for
Olivia Coleman and Benedict Cumberbatch as the leads, I
(02:05):
don't know how it would have worked in this particular story,
but I liked it. Yeah, I enjoyed it as well.
I think that, you know, it's, it's funny 'cause these types of
movies I'm not really a huge fanof.
So the only way that I can explain it is the everything
goes wrong movies, right? It's like constantly getting
knocked down, knocked down, knocked down.
You're watching these characterskind of just like flounder and
(02:28):
fall apart. And you know, there's a lot of
revenge in this movie and takingthings out on each other.
And so it it does feel very reminiscent of like the meet the
fockers and meet the parents or even just like there's something
about Mary where the main character just keeps getting the
crap kicked out of them. And so that happens here as
well. And so usually I don't like it.
But I think your point of the cast is what's really important
(02:51):
here because they are so good playing off of each other as our
leads here. I mean, they are definitely the
strongest part of this movie. Yeah, and it's fun to see these
British expats in America, so there's some comedy there.
But the story itself, I was I had never read War of the Roses.
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I remember seeing War of the Roses, which I believe had
Michael Douglas and. Kathleen Turner.
Kathleen Turner Been a very longtime since I've seen it and it's
different, the story, but it's the same story, like the things
that happened. I believe it's like a medical
diagnosis that kind of puts everything into motion.
And this one, it's more of like careers that one takes off, the
(03:33):
other one gets like kind of likeway down there.
So I thought that was interesting.
I think that's more relatable ish now than the medical
diagnosis. I think just because we live in
a capitalistic society where, you know, our jobs and our money
mean a lot. And so having these two very,
(03:55):
very funny actors play off of each other in this and get that
spiral down to just hating each other with a lot of fun to see.
And I think there's something tobe said, at least for me, in my
eyes, I see them both as really dramatic actors, right?
So this really is a dramedy. There is a lot of chance for
comedy in this. And I think that they do a
(04:16):
really good job leading that comedy.
Because The thing is, is that like you said, this could be
very, very dark. But if they weren't there to
lighten it and their deliveries,I think while the situations
make you cringe, they also make you laugh a little bit, and I
think that's really important. Otherwise it would feel like
you're just getting beat over the head with the same thing
over and over again. I did like the, you know, from
(04:37):
the trailers that makes it seem like most of the movie is the
hating part. And I was actually surprised how
most of the movie wasn't the hating part.
It was getting to that. It starts off with them in that
therapy session and, you know, her calling him a cunt and stuff
like that. So it was really funny and kind
of jarring to see our charactersat the lowest part.
But most of the movie was actually kind of sweet in a lot
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of ways. And then when they eventually
start turning into each other, it happens really in the bulk,
like 30 last 30 minutes of the the movie, Which I actually kind
of appreciated because I liked all of that leading up to the
revenge. Because I think seeing the
revenge felt a little more sad because we got to see them
really love each other, but saw them distancing themselves.
(05:22):
I did read something that Benedict Cumberbatch had said,
something like, you know, it's amovie about seeing people so
much in love with each other andthen hating each other.
They skip the middle ground withthat.
And I do feel that in the movie,and it was actually fun to watch
because you just go from, oh, they love each other to, whoa,
how did we get to this part? And that's kind of the point of
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the movie. If you don't take care of the
middle part, you're just going to be in the bad part.
Well, you know, there is also sort of this time jump that
happens, right? There's like a 10 year time jump
and a three-year time jump. I think it's like 20 years.
Throughout the whole thing. And, and so the a lot of that
middle part I think is where we're not seeing them fall apart
(06:04):
a little bit day by day. But you know, it's interesting
because the way the character iswritten and I, and I've been
trying to figure out whether I think that this is a strength or
a weakness of the film is that they're very good at
communication, especially in thebeginning.
So much so that sometimes it feels like they are taking lines
directly from like a couples therapy book.
(06:28):
And it's almost like, wow, if, if couples that are this good at
communication are falling apart.What what hope is there for
those that aren't good with communication?
But I love the self-awareness that they have because I think
that if you're watching it, you can, you can see yourself in
both the characters at the same time.
And the fact that like they say things like, I really think I
(06:49):
need to apologize to you, you know, and, or even when they're
talking to themselves, they're like, just apologize.
You could do it, you know, you'll be fine.
And it's so it's, it's so much about communication, but
ultimately how they fall apart. It's almost like, is there
communication for communicationssake or communication with
intent? A.
Lot of communication. Well, I think what's interesting
(07:11):
about that is that yes, they're good at communicating, but
they're not good at responding to that communication.
And I think that's the key because specifically in a moment
that I'll point out that I really remember is when a lot of
shit is going wrong. And this is when they're like
foldy in the hatred train without having yet said it in
the film, and they're flying back from New York.
They went off to, you know, justkind of cool off and like have
(07:33):
their time. It didn't go well at all, but
Olivia Coleman's character goes into the bathroom and she's very
upset with like she clearly seessomething's wrong and she's like
just go in there, apologize, go go in there and apologize.
And she does apologize, but thenhe responds badly.
So it's it just constantly snowballs after that.
But what makes this movie fun, though, is that like, yes, it is
(07:54):
kind of sad to see this lovely couple, especially how they met.
It's such like a not even a meetcute.
It's like a meet sex. It's just so like romantic and
only in like, I don't know, likean architect and a chef could
do. But then to see them kind of
hate each other is like, oh, butthe cast, the supporting
characters in this movie really make it so funny, So, so funny.
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And just add more layers to this.
I was actually really surprised that Anchutti was in this.
Anchutti Gottroa doing an American accent, which I didn't
at first, didn't clock, but thenI clocked it.
Yeah, I I didn't either until hesaid something at the, at this
like horrendous dinner party that they throw where he says
something like, yeah, with her accent, I can't tell if she's
like happy or sad or, or something along those lines.
(08:41):
And I was like, wait a minute, Is he not British?
No, But the supporting cast is really incredible.
I think you know, one of the standout roles in this is Amy,
played by Kate McKinnon. She has this bizarre, bizarre
role. Basically, she is with Andy
Samberg, but all she wants to dois have sex with Theo, Benedict
(09:01):
Cumberbatch's character. And there is one of the most
awkward hugs that I think has ever existed in cinema, where
she's like rubbing her crotch against his legs.
Spoil it. Don't spoil that.
Yeah. I mean, I think, you know,
what's funny about her characteris that like, I couldn't
separate SNL from her character.I very much felt like it was an
(09:23):
SNL character that they just like plopped into this movie.
It worked, but it was like, I don't believe that you're
straight, you know, like I'm like, she reminded me of the
what's the skit that she did? It was with the kittens.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That that's the character.
I don't know why but this is thecharacter or the the like the
(09:45):
farm stand that one. That one I.
Think is, yeah, that is the character that I I see in this
movie of that she's playing, yeah.
The big meat boy, Colin, Yeah. Anyway, But yes, I agree with
that. I mean, and I think that's the
thing with Kate McKinnon is thatshe kind of sits solidly in one
character archetype. They just put her in different
(10:05):
scripts and in different costumes.
But I still think you needed that levity.
I also think with these characters, we, there's, there's
some sort of comment here about America, right, Because Theo and
Ivy, they move from England obviously over to America and
there's their American friends and they're obsessed with guns
and they wear puffer vests and they're.
(10:27):
When we first meet them, they'reAmerican friends.
They're they meet them at a gun range.
Yeah. And it is so uncomfortable, but
it's like, Oh my God, this is what America is like.
And I hate that people think this and the.
Couples are like the American couples are almost like getting
off at the gun range. They all are.
They all get off on like really weird things.
Kate Mckennon's character is married to Andy Samberg's
(10:48):
character, which I I'm like likeiffy with Andy Samberg,
especially his humor could either be super bro Y or just
like it's fine, like fart humor.I actually really like the lane
he was in this movie because Kate Mckennon's character was so
wild and out there. Andy Samberg's character, Barry
was kind of almost tamed, but just like reacting to Kate
(11:10):
Mckennon's like, Oh, we don't dothat.
Let's like, Oh, we haven't talked about that yet, you know.
So it's really, it was fun to see him restraint a little bit
in that. The other couple in this are
Sally, played by Zoe Chow, and Rory, played by Jamie Demetrio.
Zoe Chow, I think is just an incredible actor and whatever
she's in and Jamie Demetrio, he you might know him from Fleabag.
(11:31):
He is Natasha Demetrio's brother.
So who played Nadia in What We Do in the Shadows.
So they're kind of this incredible sibling team and
they're, well, they're also architects, right?
Theo, our main characters and architect.
And so I think they kind of represent the competitive nature
of America and how they'll kind of kick you when you're down,
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but with a smile on their faces.He had, he had said something
where because he's designing this like Maritime Museum for
the town that they live in, which I want to live there
because it looks absolutely gorgeous and beautiful.
But he's talking to them about it and he's just like to his
face saying, I hope it fails. And it was so bizarre and
uncomfortable that I'm like, what is this character?
(12:14):
Because he disappears for the entire movie and then comes back
at the end. And I was like, this character
is weird. It's super weird.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I really liked I I think thecast was so good.
It was so much fun. And that's, I think what makes
me say it's like a 2000s movie because the cast is so stacked
and they all have these, like, weird, quirky things about them.
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And they're such characters in the movie that just like, oh,
you could point out, like, this is my favorite part in the
movie, that hug that Kate McKinnon does.
Like, those are the moments that, like, you remember from
these types of movies. And I like that we're still
doing those. Yeah, I think the it's those
cringe inducing moments, you know, it, it takes kind of
things that can happen in real life and just turns it up to
(12:57):
make it farcical and that's whatmakes it enjoyable, right?
What was that? I said fartsicle.
Oh my. But you know, I think that
there's a lot also being said about just being in a couple in
general and how complicated it is, you know, to take the the
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name of the movie, the roses. You know, there's that saying of
in every couple there's a flowerand a gardener, and in this one
it seems like they're both just flowers, right?
And no one is really listening or tending to each other's
needs. Well, I do want to say before we
get to that part, yes, I I agree.
Like I it's interesting because I think it's it's apparent as
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the movie goes on because you think that Olivia Coleman's get
Ivy is very much like I'm good with being like a stay home mom.
I'm going to bake all these things.
I used to be a chef. I'm totally fine with this.
Secretly she has this like thingthat could get big and it does
get big and his job disappears in an instant.
But they have kids and these kids are so bizarre.
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And this is the thing that like I always think about like
couples that have kids of like, what things are you passing on
to your children that aren't healthy and are healthy?
And it's like he passed on, likebeing an amazing athlete, but
like, was that healthy for them to grow up in?
But like, these kids are bizarre.
Yeah, well you could see in the beginning, right, it shifts
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because when she's the stay at home parent, they have no
self-control when it comes to food.
They're just going to eat and they're going to be wild and
have fun and don't care about things.
But have fun. But have fun, right?
And so then when she becomes famous and then he becomes a
stay at home parent, then they become these workout machines.
And I'm sitting there going, is there some school in Miami where
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kids can go and be athletes at 13 or 14?
I mean. Yeah, there's scholarships.
Some colleges like Except young kids for scholarships, yeah.
I guess so, yes. But they are they're robots.
And so, but that's The thing is that, and I think while there
was that deal of she was going to go off and pursue this
culinary career and he was goingto stay at home, they never
checked in with each other, no. Right.
(15:05):
Well, that's that middle part that just never happened.
So she was off living her dream and he was home taking care of
the kids, but only in his one way of being able to take care
of them. And so that's where they kind of
became these robot children. But I think that, you know, is
interesting. You know, this movie made me sit
back and it kind of makes you reflect on yourself a little
(15:26):
bit, I think. How do I react in bites?
What pieces of my parents do I have?
You know? And so it's it's interesting
that this sort of comedic dramedy mayhem could actually
make you sit and think like, damn, are we all just messed up?
Well, that's, yeah, those those are the sign of a good movie and
a good writing, right. And I I do want to point out,
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though, the wardrobe, whoever did the wardrobe in this movie,
Olivia Coleman specifically, I want all of her outfits.
I don't like just they were amazing.
They were flowy. The patterns, the use of lines
going different ways. I was like, mesmerized this
entire movie. But yeah, I think the movie does
a good job of making you laugh at them being like, oh, this is
(16:08):
like an exaggerated version of like stuff that happens in
relationships, but it is kind ofgross.
Like, I do hate the person I'm with, but I don't hate the
person I'm with. Like that's like an an
exaggerated version of it, right?
Because they're like, no, I do hate you, but I still love you.
It's, it's so bizarre to see in like a scale like that because
it's like, yeah, I guess you aresharing your life with this
(16:29):
person. You're not going to love every
aspect of them, but it's how yourespond to it.
Right, right. Yeah, it's it's definitely
something to sit and think about.
But I also think of taking this movie.
It seems so these are like the universal themes of the movie,
right? And I think it could take place
at any time. But there are certain things in
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this movie that I think really solidify it in the 20 twenties,
right as far as the use of social media for both of their
careers, how it takes one down and builds the other one up.
The idea of sort of like this Alexa that controls their house,
which is then used to in their fight back and forth.
So it's interesting that like, Ithink it's, it's like the plot
(17:13):
itself feels like an early 2000smovie, but some of the details
keep it firmly here. But I think the the what they're
going through is very universal as a couple.
Yeah, yeah, which was very smartfor them to do.
And I like that they changed. They clearly used the original
as like a starting point and kept all of that, but then made
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it their own. And I do like that for remakes.
I think like if we're going to do remakes, this is a smart way
to do it. And it's been since the 80's the
the last time we had it. But yeah, I think it's really
good. I don't really want to talk
about the final part of the movie.
I think that people need to experience that because it is
quite wild. As soon as like, the dinner
party happens, that's when it starts getting like, oh, this is
(17:58):
this is a lot. This is a, this is a sign of
like, there's no return from this.
I'm very excited for people to see this movie.
I think it's going to be one of those like, Staples.
It's a good date night movie. It's a good, like, let's bring
our friends to go see this. Yeah.
I, I think this was a surprise. I didn't actually see the
trailer before we got invited toit.
Saw the trailer and I was like, oh, this seems like fun.
Yeah. Absolutely.
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It was fun. Like we said, the cast is
incredible and I think that overall it'll give you a lot to
talk about and also teach you how to not throw a dinner party.
Yes. Yes, and also keep epipens if
you have allergies. Keep raspberries, yes.
Keep them. Keep them nearby.
If you will end up seeing the roses, let us know what you
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think. You're in for a wild ride for
sure, so buckle your seatbelts, kids.
Get rough. So next time, bye bye.
Hello warring spouses, and welcome to the episode.
Today we are taking a bite of the roses.
I. Was very excited when we got the
invitation to go see this movie early.
Thank you for Searchlight's pictures.
(00:20):
I'm excited for people to see this movie.
Has a great cast. We'll get into it Before that.
Make sure you're following us, scribe, follow, leave a review.
All those amazing things. We are doing a new show over on
Patreon where it's a bite of theweek and we talk about pop
culture news, things that stuck out to us.
And you know, we just we gab on the mic about it.
(00:41):
But if that interests you, go over there.
Check it out. Dollar a month, get free stuff.
You know, we'd love a dollar. Please, please, maybe we have a
dollar. And huge spoiler alert, of
course, we're going to be talking about the entire plot of
the roses. So let us officially take a bite
of the roses. Written by Tony McNamara and
directed by Jay Roach. When the tides of their
(01:02):
individual fortunes turn with one freak storm, Ivy and Theo's
once simple life becomes complicated, revealing that
these roses truly have thorns. I was.
Waiting for you to do something with Thorns.
That's right, and I also have some other gardening references
later. Love.
So what did you think of the roses?
(01:23):
I liked it a lot. I think this movie feels like a
2000s movie. I don't know how to describe it
other than that meaning that like so Jay Roach, who did this
movie, it did meet the Fockers, meet the parents did had a stint
of like political movies like the campaign and bombshell and
stuff like that. But it does feel like that.
(01:44):
It feels like those movies, which I really much appreciated.
I I'm glad that we're still getting movies like this in
theaters, but I liked it. I think it was a little darker
than I thought it would be, but it was still really, really
funny. And this cast, if it wasn't for
Olivia Coleman and Benedict Cumberbatch as the leads, I
(02:05):
don't know how it would have worked in this particular story,
but I liked it. Yeah, I enjoyed it as well.
I think that, you know, it's, it's funny 'cause these types of
movies I'm not really a huge fanof.
So the only way that I can explain it is the everything
goes wrong movies, right? It's like constantly getting
knocked down, knocked down, knocked down.
You're watching these characterskind of just like flounder and
(02:28):
fall apart. And you know, there's a lot of
revenge in this movie and takingthings out on each other.
And so it it does feel very reminiscent of like the meet the
fockers and meet the parents or even just like there's something
about Mary where the main character just keeps getting the
crap kicked out of them. And so that happens here as
well. And so usually I don't like it.
But I think your point of the cast is what's really important
(02:51):
here because they are so good playing off of each other as our
leads here. I mean, they are definitely the
strongest part of this movie. Yeah, and it's fun to see these
British expats in America, so there's some comedy there.
But the story itself, I was I had never read War of the Roses.
(03:12):
I remember seeing War of the Roses, which I believe had
Michael Douglas and. Kathleen Turner.
Kathleen Turner Been a very longtime since I've seen it and it's
different, the story, but it's the same story, like the things
that happened. I believe it's like a medical
diagnosis that kind of puts everything into motion.
And this one, it's more of like careers that one takes off, the
(03:33):
other one gets like kind of likeway down there.
So I thought that was interesting.
I think that's more relatable ish now than the medical
diagnosis. I think just because we live in
a capitalistic society where, you know, our jobs and our money
mean a lot. And so having these two very,
(03:55):
very funny actors play off of each other in this and get that
spiral down to just hating each other with a lot of fun to see.
And I think there's something tobe said, at least for me, in my
eyes, I see them both as really dramatic actors, right?
So this really is a dramedy. There is a lot of chance for
comedy in this. And I think that they do a
(04:16):
really good job leading that comedy.
Because The thing is, is that like you said, this could be
very, very dark. But if they weren't there to
lighten it and their deliveries,I think while the situations
make you cringe, they also make you laugh a little bit, and I
think that's really important. Otherwise it would feel like
you're just getting beat over the head with the same thing
over and over again. I did like the, you know, from
(04:37):
the trailers that makes it seem like most of the movie is the
hating part. And I was actually surprised how
most of the movie wasn't the hating part.
It was getting to that. It starts off with them in that
therapy session and, you know, her calling him a cunt and stuff
like that. So it was really funny and kind
of jarring to see our charactersat the lowest part.
But most of the movie was actually kind of sweet in a lot
(05:00):
of ways. And then when they eventually
start turning into each other, it happens really in the bulk,
like 30 last 30 minutes of the the movie, Which I actually kind
of appreciated because I liked all of that leading up to the
revenge. Because I think seeing the
revenge felt a little more sad because we got to see them
really love each other, but saw them distancing themselves.
(05:22):
I did read something that Benedict Cumberbatch had said,
something like, you know, it's amovie about seeing people so
much in love with each other andthen hating each other.
They skip the middle ground withthat.
And I do feel that in the movie,and it was actually fun to watch
because you just go from, oh, they love each other to, whoa,
how did we get to this part? And that's kind of the point of
(05:43):
the movie. If you don't take care of the
middle part, you're just going to be in the bad part.
Well, you know, there is also sort of this time jump that
happens, right? There's like a 10 year time jump
and a three-year time jump. I think it's like 20 years.
Throughout the whole thing. And, and so the a lot of that
middle part I think is where we're not seeing them fall apart
(06:04):
a little bit day by day. But you know, it's interesting
because the way the character iswritten and I, and I've been
trying to figure out whether I think that this is a strength or
a weakness of the film is that they're very good at
communication, especially in thebeginning.
So much so that sometimes it feels like they are taking lines
directly from like a couples therapy book.
(06:28):
And it's almost like, wow, if, if couples that are this good at
communication are falling apart.What what hope is there for
those that aren't good with communication?
But I love the self-awareness that they have because I think
that if you're watching it, you can, you can see yourself in
both the characters at the same time.
And the fact that like they say things like, I really think I
(06:49):
need to apologize to you, you know, and, or even when they're
talking to themselves, they're like, just apologize.
You could do it, you know, you'll be fine.
And it's so it's, it's so much about communication, but
ultimately how they fall apart. It's almost like, is there
communication for communicationssake or communication with
intent? A.
Lot of communication. Well, I think what's interesting
(07:11):
about that is that yes, they're good at communicating, but
they're not good at responding to that communication.
And I think that's the key because specifically in a moment
that I'll point out that I really remember is when a lot of
shit is going wrong. And this is when they're like
foldy in the hatred train without having yet said it in
the film, and they're flying back from New York.
They went off to, you know, justkind of cool off and like have
(07:33):
their time. It didn't go well at all, but
Olivia Coleman's character goes into the bathroom and she's very
upset with like she clearly seessomething's wrong and she's like
just go in there, apologize, go go in there and apologize.
And she does apologize, but thenhe responds badly.
So it's it just constantly snowballs after that.
But what makes this movie fun, though, is that like, yes, it is
(07:54):
kind of sad to see this lovely couple, especially how they met.
It's such like a not even a meetcute.
It's like a meet sex. It's just so like romantic and
only in like, I don't know, likean architect and a chef could
do. But then to see them kind of
hate each other is like, oh, butthe cast, the supporting
characters in this movie really make it so funny, So, so funny.
(08:19):
And just add more layers to this.
I was actually really surprised that Anchutti was in this.
Anchutti Gottroa doing an American accent, which I didn't
at first, didn't clock, but thenI clocked it.
Yeah, I I didn't either until hesaid something at the, at this
like horrendous dinner party that they throw where he says
something like, yeah, with her accent, I can't tell if she's
like happy or sad or, or something along those lines.
(08:41):
And I was like, wait a minute, Is he not British?
No, But the supporting cast is really incredible.
I think you know, one of the standout roles in this is Amy,
played by Kate McKinnon. She has this bizarre, bizarre
role. Basically, she is with Andy
Samberg, but all she wants to dois have sex with Theo, Benedict
(09:01):
Cumberbatch's character. And there is one of the most
awkward hugs that I think has ever existed in cinema, where
she's like rubbing her crotch against his legs.
Spoil it. Don't spoil that.
Yeah. I mean, I think, you know,
what's funny about her characteris that like, I couldn't
separate SNL from her character.I very much felt like it was an
(09:23):
SNL character that they just like plopped into this movie.
It worked, but it was like, I don't believe that you're
straight, you know, like I'm like, she reminded me of the
what's the skit that she did? It was with the kittens.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That that's the character.
I don't know why but this is thecharacter or the the like the
(09:45):
farm stand that one. That one I.
Think is, yeah, that is the character that I I see in this
movie of that she's playing, yeah.
The big meat boy, Colin, Yeah. Anyway, But yes, I agree with
that. I mean, and I think that's the
thing with Kate McKinnon is thatshe kind of sits solidly in one
character archetype. They just put her in different
(10:05):
scripts and in different costumes.
But I still think you needed that levity.
I also think with these characters, we, there's, there's
some sort of comment here about America, right, Because Theo and
Ivy, they move from England obviously over to America and
there's their American friends and they're obsessed with guns
and they wear puffer vests and they're.
(10:27):
When we first meet them, they'reAmerican friends.
They're they meet them at a gun range.
Yeah. And it is so uncomfortable, but
it's like, Oh my God, this is what America is like.
And I hate that people think this and the.
Couples are like the American couples are almost like getting
off at the gun range. They all are.
They all get off on like really weird things.
Kate Mckennon's character is married to Andy Samberg's
(10:48):
character, which I I'm like likeiffy with Andy Samberg,
especially his humor could either be super bro Y or just
like it's fine, like fart humor.I actually really like the lane
he was in this movie because Kate Mckennon's character was so
wild and out there. Andy Samberg's character, Barry
was kind of almost tamed, but just like reacting to Kate
(11:10):
Mckennon's like, Oh, we don't dothat.
Let's like, Oh, we haven't talked about that yet, you know.
So it's really, it was fun to see him restraint a little bit
in that. The other couple in this are
Sally, played by Zoe Chow, and Rory, played by Jamie Demetrio.
Zoe Chow, I think is just an incredible actor and whatever
she's in and Jamie Demetrio, he you might know him from Fleabag.
(11:31):
He is Natasha Demetrio's brother.
So who played Nadia in What We Do in the Shadows.
So they're kind of this incredible sibling team and
they're, well, they're also architects, right?
Theo, our main characters and architect.
And so I think they kind of represent the competitive nature
of America and how they'll kind of kick you when you're down,
(11:51):
but with a smile on their faces.He had, he had said something
where because he's designing this like Maritime Museum for
the town that they live in, which I want to live there
because it looks absolutely gorgeous and beautiful.
But he's talking to them about it and he's just like to his
face saying, I hope it fails. And it was so bizarre and
uncomfortable that I'm like, what is this character?
(12:14):
Because he disappears for the entire movie and then comes back
at the end. And I was like, this character
is weird. It's super weird.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I really liked I I think thecast was so good.
It was so much fun. And that's, I think what makes
me say it's like a 2000s movie because the cast is so stacked
and they all have these, like, weird, quirky things about them.
(12:35):
And they're such characters in the movie that just like, oh,
you could point out, like, this is my favorite part in the
movie, that hug that Kate McKinnon does.
Like, those are the moments that, like, you remember from
these types of movies. And I like that we're still
doing those. Yeah, I think the it's those
cringe inducing moments, you know, it, it takes kind of
things that can happen in real life and just turns it up to
(12:57):
make it farcical and that's whatmakes it enjoyable, right?
What was that? I said fartsicle.
Oh my. But you know, I think that
there's a lot also being said about just being in a couple in
general and how complicated it is, you know, to take the the
(13:18):
name of the movie, the roses. You know, there's that saying of
in every couple there's a flowerand a gardener, and in this one
it seems like they're both just flowers, right?
And no one is really listening or tending to each other's
needs. Well, I do want to say before we
get to that part, yes, I I agree.
Like I it's interesting because I think it's it's apparent as
(13:39):
the movie goes on because you think that Olivia Coleman's get
Ivy is very much like I'm good with being like a stay home mom.
I'm going to bake all these things.
I used to be a chef. I'm totally fine with this.
Secretly she has this like thingthat could get big and it does
get big and his job disappears in an instant.
But they have kids and these kids are so bizarre.
(14:00):
And this is the thing that like I always think about like
couples that have kids of like, what things are you passing on
to your children that aren't healthy and are healthy?
And it's like he passed on, likebeing an amazing athlete, but
like, was that healthy for them to grow up in?
But like, these kids are bizarre.
Yeah, well you could see in the beginning, right, it shifts
(14:23):
because when she's the stay at home parent, they have no
self-control when it comes to food.
They're just going to eat and they're going to be wild and
have fun and don't care about things.
But have fun. But have fun, right?
And so then when she becomes famous and then he becomes a
stay at home parent, then they become these workout machines.
And I'm sitting there going, is there some school in Miami where
(14:44):
kids can go and be athletes at 13 or 14?
I mean. Yeah, there's scholarships.
Some colleges like Except young kids for scholarships, yeah.
I guess so, yes. But they are they're robots.
And so, but that's The thing is that, and I think while there
was that deal of she was going to go off and pursue this
culinary career and he was goingto stay at home, they never
checked in with each other, no. Right.
(15:05):
Well, that's that middle part that just never happened.
So she was off living her dream and he was home taking care of
the kids, but only in his one way of being able to take care
of them. And so that's where they kind of
became these robot children. But I think that, you know, is
interesting. You know, this movie made me sit
back and it kind of makes you reflect on yourself a little
(15:26):
bit, I think. How do I react in bites?
What pieces of my parents do I have?
You know? And so it's it's interesting
that this sort of comedic dramedy mayhem could actually
make you sit and think like, damn, are we all just messed up?
Well, that's, yeah, those those are the sign of a good movie and
a good writing, right. And I I do want to point out,
(15:47):
though, the wardrobe, whoever did the wardrobe in this movie,
Olivia Coleman specifically, I want all of her outfits.
I don't like just they were amazing.
They were flowy. The patterns, the use of lines
going different ways. I was like, mesmerized this
entire movie. But yeah, I think the movie does
a good job of making you laugh at them being like, oh, this is
(16:08):
like an exaggerated version of like stuff that happens in
relationships, but it is kind ofgross.
Like, I do hate the person I'm with, but I don't hate the
person I'm with. Like that's like an an
exaggerated version of it, right?
Because they're like, no, I do hate you, but I still love you.
It's, it's so bizarre to see in like a scale like that because
it's like, yeah, I guess you aresharing your life with this
(16:29):
person. You're not going to love every
aspect of them, but it's how yourespond to it.
Right, right. Yeah, it's it's definitely
something to sit and think about.
But I also think of taking this movie.
It seems so these are like the universal themes of the movie,
right? And I think it could take place
at any time. But there are certain things in
(16:50):
this movie that I think really solidify it in the 20 twenties,
right as far as the use of social media for both of their
careers, how it takes one down and builds the other one up.
The idea of sort of like this Alexa that controls their house,
which is then used to in their fight back and forth.
So it's interesting that like, Ithink it's, it's like the plot
(17:13):
itself feels like an early 2000smovie, but some of the details
keep it firmly here. But I think the the what they're
going through is very universal as a couple.
Yeah, yeah, which was very smartfor them to do.
And I like that they changed. They clearly used the original
as like a starting point and kept all of that, but then made
(17:34):
it their own. And I do like that for remakes.
I think like if we're going to do remakes, this is a smart way
to do it. And it's been since the 80's the
the last time we had it. But yeah, I think it's really
good. I don't really want to talk
about the final part of the movie.
I think that people need to experience that because it is
quite wild. As soon as like, the dinner
party happens, that's when it starts getting like, oh, this is
(17:58):
this is a lot. This is a, this is a sign of
like, there's no return from this.
I'm very excited for people to see this movie.
I think it's going to be one of those like, Staples.
It's a good date night movie. It's a good, like, let's bring
our friends to go see this. Yeah.
I, I think this was a surprise. I didn't actually see the
trailer before we got invited toit.
Saw the trailer and I was like, oh, this seems like fun.
Yeah. Absolutely.
(18:19):
It was fun. Like we said, the cast is
incredible and I think that overall it'll give you a lot to
talk about and also teach you how to not throw a dinner party.
Yes. Yes, and also keep epipens if
you have allergies. Keep raspberries, yes.
Keep them. Keep them nearby.
If you will end up seeing the roses, let us know what you
(18:40):
think. You're in for a wild ride for
sure, so buckle your seatbelts, kids.
Get rough. So next time, bye bye.
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