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All right, welcome back toanother episode of A Breath of
Fresh Sports.
I'm your host, kd, andalongside with me, my road dog,
the other half of the troublethat I am C-Dub, c-dub man.
We've been gone for a minuteand now we back.

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We are back.
Yes, it feels really great toget back in this space.
I know for sure that I neededthat time off.
I needed this time off because Ijust had so much stuff going on
that I didn't even realize likehow to focus my energy to all

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the stuff I had going on, allthe coaching and the teaching
and the multiple jobs I wasinvolved in.
It's so nice to just be able todo one thing and then have time

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to do other things, leisurethings, you know, things that
you enjoy within your life,compared to sun up to sun down,
working this job, working thatjob, coaching this team,
training this person.
While I had, like greatenjoyments and built great
relationships with that, I candefinitely say that me stepping
away from education and coaching, you know, has been a really

(03:25):
good thing for me.
Being speaking selfishly hasbeen a really good thing for me.
I've really enjoyed being ableto just watch sporting events
and be like, oh yeah, look atall the time that they're
putting in, all the time andeffort they're putting in.
I know because I've beenthrough it, but I just get to go
home or I just get to changethe channel or go do something

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else.
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's almost a new breath of fresh air.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Hey, look at that play on words right there.
But no, I'm really glad thatwe're getting back into this.
Do you know that?
I missed you?
Missed you too, buddy, missedyou too.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I've been missing this time and I got tired of
arguing about sports with mywife that she doesn't argue back
.
She just says go Ravens andBaltimore, yeah, listen to me
rant.
She just uh says go ravens inbaltimore, yeah listen to me
rant, right.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Do you know that?
Uh, november 10th is coming up,and november 10th will be the
two-year anniversary of ourfirst show being published that
we recorded.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think November 10th a year ago today, you were here
with me.
Yep, that's right, it's myone-year wedding anniversary,
that's right, the 12th, ooh-weecoming up.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Man, how does that feel?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
feels it feels like a lot long, feels like it was a
lot longer ago.
Yeah, um, but it's crazy tothink that it's already here and
it's already been a whole yearand how much has changed just in
one year.
Right, there.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Definitely and definitely a big congrats to you
and your wife, as you all aregoing to be expecting a
beautiful baby girl that many ofus are looking forward to spoil
, so congratulations on that.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yes, leighton K Westover will be joining us on
March 22nd ish 2025.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh, getting right into the thick of March madness,
huh, yep, she'll be ready,she'll be ready.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Her first concert was a Story of the year concert.
Uh, first rated our movie wasdeadpool and wolverine.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
So she's she's experiencing her time well now,
oh yeah, having a great time ofher life and being just.
She'll be here, you know, and Iand, and when it goes with the,
with the marriage, like Ihaven't been.
I've been married a while, notas long as others, but uh, you

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know, you know we're.
We're eight years in, so thetime is.
We know time moves the same wayevery day, of course, you know,
with the exception of, you know, daylight saving times playing
a role in that, but it's goingto pass.
And when you're doing that andwhen you're doing things with
your best friend and you'regoing through life with your
best friend ups and downs,smiles and frowns, cheers and

(06:55):
jeers, all those good thingsit's always good to have that
one person that you can lean ongoing through, going through
life with you know.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Cheers, yeah, lean on going through, uh, going
through life with you know,cheers, yeah, oh no, it's just
good to be back.
I miss this time, just, youknow, chilling at night, just
getting ready to just kick backand just talk about sports, for
you know the.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Right All right, yeah , all right.
So let's go ahead and get intoit.
Blast from the past, let's goahead.
We're going to make sure we'rekeeping some things rolling.
So blast from the past.
I picked today.
I picked November 6th.
So 1929, providence Steamrollerbecame the first NFL team to

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host a game at night underfloodlights.
They lost 16 to 0 against theChicago Cardinals at the Cycle
Drone in Providence, rhodeIsland.
In 1934, philadelphia EaglesBeat the Cincinnati Reds 64-0.

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In 1981, larry Holmes TKORenato Snipes In 11 rounds for
the heavyweight boxing title.
In 1993, evander HolyfieldBeats Riddick Bowe in 12 rounds
for the heavyweight boxing title.
In 1995, art Modell officiallyannounced the Cleveland Browns

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are moving to Baltimore,maryland.
We know that was a big big deal.
And in 1997, at the time he wassan francisco's giants manager,
but dusty baker was named thenational league manager of the
year.
Wasn't too many sports relatedthings, uh, on this day in

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history, but just just a fewthings.
That's that stood out.
You know just a few littlethings that stood out.
And then, rolling at that lastone, baseball related, you know
the recent champions, the LosAngeles Dodgers.
They won the World Series and,surprisingly, that was the one
game that I was able to watchfor the World Series because

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I've been, you know, working onthe road, ripping and running,
and that was the one game.
I got to a place to settle downfor the night and the game came
on and I kind of said, oh yeah,the World Series is on, because
the only thing that stood out tome was game two, when Ice Cube
performed you know it was a goodday and performed bow down, you

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know, changing some words up init.
But you know, I did seesomething that passed across the
screen because they were down,like I think it was 5-0.
They were down and I think oneof the things they put it was
that they were the first team inhistory that came back from a
5-0 deficit to win not only thegame, but to win not only the

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game, but to win the WorldSeries at that magnitude.
So I definitely want to makesure that I give just that
little champion shout-out.
That's what I'll call that thechampion shout-out.
Not saying that we're pickingsides or we're rooting for
anybody, just saying that achampion has been crowned and we
are just doing our little duediligence to say there you go.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I'll say this, and After after moving away from St
Louis, it's been a lot harder tofollow baseball when you don't
have it all the time.
You know you can't watch thegames as much all the time.
You know you can't watch thegames as much.
And so, outside of, you knowthe few Oriole games that my
wife turned on during theplayoffs, which was a short run,

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unfortunately for her sake,didn't really turn on much
baseball outside.
Well, I guess there was a fewgames that were the Guardians
games in Detroit, that just hadsome buddies that were texting
me about it and we got to watcha little bit of it but didn't

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really get fully into it untilthe World Series.
And it's like one of those WorldSeries where you just almost
hope that both teams can lose,but it's not possible.
World Series where you justalmost hope that both teams can
lose, but it's not possible.
But I'll say this FreddieFreeman is one of those guys
that you can't ever root against.

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He's had a lot of things goingon in his personal life.
You feel sorry for the thingsthat some people have to go
through and still have to go outand perform at a major league
level you know, and keep it alltogether.
Man, I tell you, watching thatfirst game with the walk-off

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Grand Slam, you just are excitedto see something that you know
a has never been done.
Yep, it's hard to you know it'ssomebody you can't root against
.
But then at that point it'slike, okay, now I found myself
rooting for the Dodgers becauseI mean, unless you're a Yankee

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fan, you you can't root for theYankees.
I mean, it's just, it's it'skind of.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
It's that law I guess , right yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's like if you're not a Cowboys fan, you can't
root for the Cowboys.
It's just one of thoseunwritten rules that's out there
.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, you gotta be a die-hard fan for those
organizations, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
But it was.
You thought it was going to bea better series, but not, as you
say, blown out, but essentiallyit ends on two of the wildest
games in probably baseballhistory.
Yeah, and I remember, as yousaid, it was five, nothing.
My wife gets up and was like oh, this is ridiculous, like okay,

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this is a whole new series goesto bed and literally within 10
minutes.
I said I remember yelling tothe other room it's a tie game
and she's like what?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, that quick.
That's what it was like it ithappened.
It happened fast, like I waslike making some food in the
lounge and I looked and I'm likeall right, so then I just went
out to my truck to get somethingand I come back in and I'm like
dang, they tied it up thatquick.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
And you know you think about it as hard.
You know Cardinals fans, youcan't hate to root for Tommy.
I've been.
You know Joe Kelly yeah, youhave some.
You know there's about four orfive ex-Cardinals on the Dodgers
, which tells you somethingabout the Cardinals organization
.
If you stop getting rid of somany people, you actually have a

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team.
If you get a little money.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, because that's kind of been the norm.
And I know you're not there inSt Louis and I've recently got
out of St Louis, but the mantrathere in St Louis still is we
find these great talented guys,even though they're young, and

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it's like they ship them off.
They get rid of them real quick.
Bring in someone who is likedesperate to have a chance to
play for the Cardinals orientorganization quote, unquote but

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won't cost them a lot of moneyeither, because we know they
don't like going in them pocketsall the time either with St
Louis.
You know so.
But yeah, like you said, though, when you see ex Cardinals like
impacting big time games, as inthe World Series, you
definitely got to say, ok, whathappened that that player is

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with the Dodgers or whateverteam they may be with, and not
within the Cardinalsorganization organization.
You know I.
I personally believe you know,uh is definitely some changes
that need to take placeseriously within that front
office.
Uh, because it's it's kind oflike you have the same people,

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you know that's doing the samething, and you look and see what
, where the level of success forthe cardinals organization is
at, you know you can only go offof hey, we won 11 World Series
so many times.
You can only use it so manytimes.
You know it's kind of like.
You know the Yankees won over20 World Series, but their

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mantra is we're going to dowhatever it takes to win every
year.
You know Steinbrenner startedthat and even after his passing
they still have that philosophylike no, we're going to pay the
top dollar, we're going to getthe best talent in here, because
this is what we do to win worldseries.
They didn't win this one, butthey got.

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Also.
It says a lot more than whatthe Cardinals are going to do.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
They're going to open up the checkbook again.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
You just never know.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
And I can tell you this also the.
Dodgers are going to do thesame thing.
Yeah, that's what it is.
And now, because the Dodgersgot some people involved with
their owner group, they got somedeep pockets that they can get
the organization to where.
Hey, we can play that too overhere, but I can tell you this
also.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Go ahead, go ahead.
They had a new team deal comingin for all the teams with the
streaming services and themonthly subscription stuff and
everything, all the teams, thatthe streaming services and, yes,
with the monthly subscriptionstuff and it's, it's going to
open up, you know, someopportunities for their teams.
But God is a fan.

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You just know that.
It's another subscription thatI got to have or something, to
be able to watch something.
Right, nfl's already ruining itenough.
Yeah, watch football onChristmas Netflix and it's crazy
.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
It's a lot of those and I can,but just, I guess, one more
thing baseball related.
When we talk, let's say, talkone more thing about the
Cardinals.
This past summer, before I left, you know, old faithfuls always
went to the Cardinals game.
They always flooded the Metrolink, they flooded the bus stops

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.
It wasn't really the case thisyear.
They were desperately trying toget tickets sold Because the
Cardinals faithful, I'm justdesperate for the Carolina
Panthers, right, the Cardinalsfaithful, it wasn't in bunches

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this season and I think thatshould be, you know, a chance
for the organization to see like, okay, whatever we're doing
ain't working Because clearlywe're not getting the support
that we used to get all the time, because, frankly, they're
tired of it.

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Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
They announced today that Jose Contreras is going to
first base full time.
I saw that.
I did see that.
I think they're going to give alot of young prospects.
You can't go through a rebuildphase without bringing up your
young talent and giving them achance, and not this whole bring

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them up, send them down, bringthem up, send them down, bring
them up, send them down.
It's just not good for theirdevelopment, their mentality.
You're seeing it in footballnow with a lot of quarterbacks
You're starting, you're notstarting.
You're starting, you're notstarting.
And it can really impact yourwhole mindset, your mentality

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and the development of becominga better overall player in any
sport.
Right, basketball is a littledifferent.
Actually, I'd say basketball isa lot different when it comes
to that because of I feel likethat the draft within our NBA
players.

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They just keep getting youngerand younger Right, it's drafting
that aren't NBA ready.
But we're going to bring themout one year in and let them
just sit and develop for twoyears and all of a sudden, you
have these stars or theseplayers you've never even heard

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of for two or three years.
And all of a sudden, you havethese stars or these players
you've never even heard of fortwo or three years, and then all
of a sudden, they startactually developing and getting
better.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, I know we kind of.
We talked about it, you know,in the past with one of our
shows and you brought brought itto light big time when we were
identifying the recent draftpicks or the top 10 draft picks,
and we talked about how theability of what they can and
can't do and some of them, itwas like they struggled to shoot

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the basketball.
It was like it was like thatone year where it was like it
was a lot of athletic guys butit was like, yeah, a lot of them
they don't really shoot theball well or they don't want to
shoot the ball.
You know, it's that mentality,it's a fact.
Yeah, you can definitely saythat for sure, because we know

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Ben Simmons, he started off, youknow his NBA career started off
.
You know his NBA career startedoff, you know stellar, and then
it was just like it just youknow where'd he go, where'd he
disappear to?
Just can't shoot, you know, andit makes it hard and but, yeah,
but what you were saying aboutyou kind of like segue into the

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quarterbacks, nfl quarterbacks,how we have, you know, this crop
of young talent, um, talentedquarterbacks, but at the same
time you have some quarterbackswho may not be getting the snaps
, or they did get the snaps andthey didn't live up to early

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expectations.
Uh, you have quarterbacks whostarted off well and they
struggled.
Then they get benched.
Or because you know, we've seenthat with pittsburgh, we saw
that, uh, for justin fields andthen russell wilson comes into
the play.
We've seen that most recentlywith Indianapolis, how Andy

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Richardson was there and then hegets benched.
Joe Flacco comes in.
I know you know right, you knowyour boy Bryce Young, you know
down where you're seeing it, youknow it's so.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Hey, shout out to Bryce Young.
For the first time in his 20NFL career starts he lined up
for victory formation.
He takes a snap to close out awin.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Shout out, shout out, so so, while we, so, while
there is that situation of youknow, young quarterbacks getting
in the league and, you know,not living up to the standards
per se of the organization orthe team or the coaching staff,

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whatever it may be, you stillhave some that are, you know,
having some good success.
I remember the just a couple ofweeks back last week, that
Chicago Washington game.
You know, down to the wire yougot two young quarterbacks, you
know pretty much battling it outthroughout the whole game.

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Of course Washington got thatbecause you, you know, when it
comes to the Hail Mary throws,as a defender, you should never
try to tip it.
You should always intercept it.
You should never try to tip itor knock it down.
You know just it.
The best way to make sure thatthat ball will not go anywhere
else is to catch it.

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I've seen people try to tip itand it bounce off somebody knee
and then that.
Then the team on offense hey,they gets it in the end zone,
just those little things.
And it was wide open, likeafter that tip.
It was just like boom.
It's like I like when games getto the wire like that.
And he had so much time, somuch time to just get set up,

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scramble side to side and justOK, now let me get rid of it.
You know so, but I do like that.
I believe there's a differenceof parity in the league now I
don't parody in the league, nowI don't.

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I think that there was such a amajor effect with and I think
we talked about it before with,uh, tom brady being the
quarterback at the patriots,then going to the bucks, and
then aaron rogers was with thepackers, you know.
So you have these particularquarterbacks at these certain
teams, to where you gotpatrickomes of Kansas City that
they're still rolling, you gotJosh Allen with the Bills, but

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once Tom Brady goes from thePatriots to the Bucs and then
out the league, you start seeingthis whole shift.
Have you noticed that?
It's been like a like adifferent shift, a dynamic of
how teams have been putting,building their rosters, in a
sense, you know you see the.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
You see the generational change.
You know Manning and Brady yeah, and it's.
You are seeing more and more ofthis and you've seen it
throughout the years and I thinkwe got to witness one of the
greatest of all time and Vic,but this generation of you know

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not.
You saw that generation ofmobile quarterbacks, saw that
generation of mobilequarterbacks and now it seems
like it's still mobile, but it'sthat pass first and still can
be mobile.
You know, transition likeManning wasn't mobile.

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They were just some of the bestarms and pocket passing and
then you have you know this,this young, I can, I can throw
it over your head, but I canalso outrun you at the same time
.
You see this handing off to ayoung, you know quarterback

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really quickly, something thatyou not.
Even Patrick Mahomes didn'tcome in and start his first
season.
He sat for a full season andone of the things you're seeing
now, I feel like, is that you'rethrowing quarterbacks in and
they're the first pick, thesecond pick, the tenth pick and

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they're expected to besuccessful in their first year
and if they're not, then it's onto the next one.
And personally I mean, yes, as afan, you want somebody who's
going to come in to be thesavior, but it is.
Is it unfair expectations toset for somebody who was just in

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college a year ago?
And a cornerback or a defensiveend in college is not the same
in the NFL?
Everybody can run a four, two,four, three, right?
You're no longer the fastestguy on the team, right?
You're no longer the fastestguy on the team, right?
Well, I think this is a hugetopic to talk about.

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Is you have expectations?
Are you setting yourexpectations for somebody to
come in be the savior in theirfirst year without any
development and expect to begreat?
Yeah, we've kind of been withit for, you know, past, this
season and last season with nowyou know, one of the best that

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is doing it and Jaden.
Daniels.
And then, of course, you havethe guy that Carolina Panthers
should have drafted and didn't.
I believe we talked about that,but you have these.
You know.
Now you have them.
Who's the savior bears?

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And there's our region talksabout how they should fire the
coach and how they are goinginto a different.
You know, think about that.
This would be, it is Would arethey do fire their head coach?
His third head coach in thelast two years going back to
college Yep, his third offensivecoordinator in the last two

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years.
And we've seen it time and timeagain where quarterbacks go
through these phases Sam Darnold, what's his name?
From the Jets beforehand.
They go through all thesecoaches and coordinators and yet
it's still the quarterback'sfault that they're unsuccessful.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, and you know it's.
There's no continuity in thatLike, how do you expect someone
to be great when they're facedwith things like that happening,
with different coaches,different coordinators?
I think one of the reasons kindof like what you said with the,

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you know, the generationalshift taking place One of the
things that haven't changed isthat instant gratification, and
I think we talked about that.
Like, everybody wants theinstant gratification, but they
don't want people going throughthe process of becoming great.
They want them to be great themoment they step on there.

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But they, but it's, it's.
It's something that's hard todo because it's a new experience
for them.
They're dealing, dealing with adifferent type of level of
talent, level of caliber,different coaching styles, new
things to learn.
I always think about John Grudenwhenever he does his, when he

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was doing his quarterback stuffand he was reading, letting them
like, hey, this is the play,tell me to play.
And I'm like that's a bigadjustment to make, and I think
we also talked about it beforein the past to where some
colleges, they, they, they arepro style, they get them set up
for the professional level, butothers is kind of like, hey, the
offense is going to be.

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You step back one, two, three,you hit this receiver and if
that receiver ain't there youthrow your check down or you
throw it out of bounds.
It's not really.
Uh, let's go ahead and read thecoverage and see what we got.
You're pinpointing and lookingat one uh specific receiver.
So when they making thattransition from college to the
nfl, you can't necessarily dothat within the nfl.

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You have to be able to knowdifferent color coverages.
You need to be able torecognize it to the point to
where, when you see the cornersand the safeties lined up, what
coverage are they alreadypredetermined lined up in trying
to show you or trying todisguise?
And then you got to identifywhere the linebackers are
standing there.
And then now you got to get theD-line involved in the play,

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because sometimes you may have aD-line and you don't see it as
much.
You may see one drop to theflat or drop quick.
Uh, hook, curl.
So then that changed the dynamicof what opens up or what's not
open.
So, uh, when you have thisdifferent like it's just
unsettling to just be to just gothrough all these different

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coaches and coordinators becauseeverybody's going to do things
differently.
So if you have those manychanges in a short amount of
time.
Everybody's doing somethingdifferent.
Now, of course, we hear thecommentators, especially Tony
Romo, saying, hey, they're goingto run whatever the quarterback

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likes to do, which isdefinitely true.
But at the same time, somecoaches they got it within
themselves.
It's like no, I want you to runthis play and that's the play I
want you to run, whether theylike it or not, you know.
So it's that adapting andgetting adjusted to another
coach or a different coach.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You know adapting and getting adjusted to another
coach or a different coach.
You know who do you say.
Name me the five mostsuccessful quarterbacks over the
last 10 years.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh, five, oh, my goodness, well with it.
Within the last 10 years.
They just that was draftedwithin the last 10 years.
I just played played in thelast 10 years.
Well, I just played played inthe last 10 years.
Well, when you?
Well, of course, one of thenames we're gonna say is tom
brady, for sure you know that'ssomeone that's been uh, very
successful.
Patrick mahomes has been verysuccessful, um, different now,

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but aaron rogers had a lot ofsuccess, uh, for sure.
Um see, uh, josh Allen has been, has had some success.
Hasn't won the big one, buthe's had some success.
Um, and then I would say Idon't know if this, this may go

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against what you're trying toargue, but I'll say Lamar
Jackson is my fifth one.
Okay, so I know you, I know yougo on somewhere with that.
I may.
I may have messed it up with acouple of names Not necessarily,
but it does.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I may have messed it up with a couple of names in
there Not necessarily, but itdoes.
You can take it in a fewdifferent directions, but if you
think, tom Brady and DrewBledsoe who is a very successful
quarterback and was somebodythat you can learn from Mahomes,
sat behind Alex Smith, spent awhole year watching him,

(33:44):
learning from him, who, to thisday, isn't the greatest
quarterback to ever play thegame, but he was a very
successful quarterback.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yes, I'd agree with that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
And he is somebody that you can really learn from.
Sat behind Brad Farr what twoyears was it?
One of the greatest ofquarterbacks we've ever seen.
Yep, when you get to Josh Allen,lamar, there are two

(34:18):
quarterbacks that you had.
One had very high expectation.
You didn't know what he wasgoing to be.
You had Lamar.
Was this the next?
Michael Vick?
You know kind of to him.
He was dual threat.
That wasn't a great passingquarterback but he was a dual he

(34:41):
was going to be.
If he wasn't going to pass ithe was going to run.
It was a dual he was going tobe.
If he wasn't going to pass thathe was going to run it.
Josh allen is kind of your nowquarterback.
I think is kind of thefootprint of what you're seeing
in the nfl.
That if you look at that, joshallen had over, you know, his
first season.
If they would giving up on himthen he probably would not be

(35:05):
the quarterback he is today.
In that case you either have tosit with somebody who is going
to teach you to be successful,and every quarterback that's
successful Peyton Manning haslearned from somebody and became
one of the best quarterbacks ofthe past.
Outside of that, josh Allen wasnot a great quarterback but

(35:32):
they didn't quit on him.
They had time to continue todevelop him.
They let him fail.
They let him learn the process.
Yes, he didn't sit a yearbehind, but he played the year
and was learning a process.
Yes, he didn't sit a yearbehind, but he played the year
and was learning a little bit.
Nowadays, you know, and you'reseeing this now and it's you.
Take Bryce Young maybe adifferent situation, but I had

(35:58):
my dad say that he was not goingto be a great quarterback when
you can't see over your center.
He's now into that phase whereyou don't know what's going to
happen with him.
He's had a horrible bench.
Unfortunately, there was anaccident that Andy Dalton had

(36:19):
that brought him back.
He's gone into benched starting, benched starting.
It's not developing him, himback, but he's gone to bench
starting, bench starting.
It's not developing him.
And the Richardson we saw thatyou've never seen history before
as he decided to tap out of hisown, out of a game, basically

(36:40):
try and take himself out rightinto him getting pension.
But now how that's going todevelop Now he's been benched.
Joe Flacco starting after now.
Joe Flacco has a bad game, so dothey go back to Anthony
Richardson?
Right, just completely changesit.
Every, every mentality that youcan, young player, yeah, it

(37:02):
just can continue to can keepthe downfall to where, in four
years, five years, you might seeBryce the.
Jacksonville Jaguars starting,because he finally, you know,
takes that time to learn.
You never know.

(37:24):
And that's how we're seeing SamDarnold after jets and he was
back and had how many?
Had five coaches in four years.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, he's been a lot , it's been a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Of course he was never going to be successful.
Nobody's going to be successfulin those types of situations.
Yeah, you're set up for failureand you see that the greatest
quarter, for the most part, beenable to be groomed and
developed in this period of timeto where they can learn an
offense and learn from aquarterback who's successful and

(37:59):
then hand the reins over.
Look at Jordan Love.
Thought they were crazy.
Even Aaron said well, you'redrafting my replacement, but I
need a weapon.
But now you look at Green Baynow and you think, wow, there
was actually kind of genius.
You can't doubt him, becausethey did the same thing with
Farber Rogers.
Yeah, that's right.

(38:19):
But when you have somebody inplace, I think Atlanta did a
little too premature when takingpennies, when you just signed
Kirk cousins who yeah, I getwhat you're saying.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, yeah, and they signed, and they signed Kirk
cousins to some big money too,and it's not.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
What?
Four, five, four years?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, you have to guy who's 26, who your future set
up for a guy who's going to turn30 and then take over the
starting role.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was uh,I don't know if that was the
best, the best deal to makethere.
Honestly, I think I thinkbringing kirk's cousins in was
great, but if you, you know, yougot kirk cousins there, do you

(39:00):
really need to draft aquarterback at that caliber at
that point in time?
Or could you have draftedanother quarterback who could
have been someone who could bedeveloped over time, watching a
Kirk Cousins you know to be that, to become that NFL quarterback

(39:25):
that can be someone who can bea uh, you know, to have a
stakeholder within theorganization, within the offense
, to be successful.
But, um, but yeah, what you saidis key, because a lot of times,
kind of, like I said, with thatinstant gratification, we don't
well, I'm not sayingnecessarily we, but people don't

(39:47):
want to watch others sit andwait and then they get their
time, you know, and it's kind oflike that old school mentality,
like no, this is the way itgoes, you have to sit and wait
your turn.
You just don't get to get intothat spot from the get-go.
But which, which, which, yeah,you gotta earn it, you gotta

(40:12):
earn it, you gotta earn it,which I'm not, you know.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, like, yeah, you know, if
that's.
If that's the case, if someonewants to put someone in a
position, catapult them quicklyas possible so they can get that
experience, that's fine.
But at the same time, there'snothing wrong with having a
young player who's watching aveteran quarterback or a veteran

(40:33):
player in front of them,whether that veteran player is
doing everything right, doingeverything wrong, some things
right, some things wrong.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
That player can watch and observe and learn what are
the things they need to do inorder to be successful by
watching that other person, youknow, that's in front of them
and, like you, you think thatwhen you draft a quarterback
number one, number two, numberthree, overall you're bringing

(41:01):
in somebody who is 20, 21 yearsold, maybe 22 years old, to be
the face of the entire franchiseand know that everything is on
you to turn it around.
Yep, and some people and I meanI guess you enjoy those you

(41:23):
know the expectations.
You know you strive to live upto those expectations, but when
you don't, it can just destroyyou.
Yeah, caleb Williams is, youknow, one of the most, has to be
one of the most confident.
You know players that come outof college and know that I'm
about to turn the bears around.

(41:43):
Players that come out ofcollege and know that I'm about
to turn the bears around.
But you've, you've seen thedisgruntled effect of the lack
of success and like not thathe's not having a successful
season.
He's already.
You know one more games, buthe's.
They're now four and four andthey lose two games in a row and
everything starts to change.

(42:04):
Already Head coach is now onthe now on the fence.
Does he need to be fired?
That's just how quickly thingscan change, especially in
Chicago especially in.
Chicago yeah, the team who'sknown for doing these things.
You have to.
You have to give teams a chance.
You know this is a first yearquarterback and you're already

(42:25):
talking about firing that headcoach.
You've given them eight gamestogether and just because they
haven't gone undefeated, this isthe Bears.
You have the first overall pick.
You have a rookie quarterbackwho's not going to just be Tom
Brady.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You have to give it time.
And gotta give it time, yep,gotta let it marinate, gotta let
it marinate.
You know, the Jets did the samething, him and Sala.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Rogers and Sala had one play, and what three games
together, mm-hmm, and he wasfired yep, isn't that crazy like
.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
And then when you look at an organization in there
, because you know right now, uh, another coach that's on the
hot seat apparently you knowit's mike mccarthy, but we'll,
you know, cowboy talk when youlook at that to say the

(43:30):
organization say, hey, we'regoing to make a change in our
coach, our coaching staff, ourcoach, because the job's not
getting done.
So what has to happen afterthat is that there's going to be
an interim coach, there's goingto be somebody else who's going
to be in charge of that.
So when you take away whatthey're trying to build they're

(43:53):
trying to get the rapport,they're trying to get you know,
consistency, understand oneanother uh, when you take that
away by firing a coach orbenching a quarterback too soon,
you know it makes it a lotharder for that continuity to
take place.
It makes it harder for thebelief in a coach to be there or

(44:15):
belief in that player to bethere.
I don't think that the Jetsfiring that coach was a good
thing.
I really don't, because whenyou look at the organization of
the Jets, they haven't hadsuccess in a long time and of
course, yes, they want to haveit right here, right now, but

(44:37):
that's still something they gotto build and develop.
And, of course, aaron Rodgersis playing the way that he said
he wants to play, he wants totry to do what Tom Brady did.
He wants to try to do a TomBrady.
He wants to play a long.
He still wants to play a while.
So you still have to give thatstuff time to develop.
You know, because theexpectation was Aaron Rodgers
comes over, oh, the Jets are inthe Super Bowl.

(45:00):
But then we know, last year hewent down with that injury very
early, very early.
He went down with that injuryand he was gone for the season.
So now, not only is, not onlyare you in a position that you
have to wait a little bit longer.
You have your quarterbackthat's returning from an injury,

(45:21):
that has to get work back intothe mix, work back into the fold
and, yes, aaron Rodgers toptier, no doubt about that.
But it's still a process thathas to take place.
So, yeah, with them firing asalad, I don't think it was a, I
don't think it was a gooddecision.

(45:41):
Of course, we not the onesmaking the decisions, you know,
we, we, we have no connectionsor anything with them regarding
that, but it's some things youreally have to look at and say,
okay, this is going to be like atwo, three year process, like
even though the ages you knowaaron rogers is up there in age
it's like, no, some of thesetransactions you make, you have

(46:03):
to look at it as multi-year.
It's a progress of multipleyears and not just that moment,
right then and there for thatseason.
Because when you fire a coach,the dynamic is going to change,
the dynamic is going to shift.
And then what if that team thatfires a coach doesn't improve?

(46:26):
Was it the head coach's fault?
Was it the coach's fault?
They got fired.
If the team is still not beingsuccessful and not producing on
the field, was it that coach'sfault?
They got fired Because they'restill playing the same way or
bringing out the same results.
You know and I was thinkingabout that now with New Orleans

(46:54):
that's a whole differentsituation.
There they were too old,started off hot and then they
just lost a bunch of games andso they got rid of Dennis Allen.
I mean, it's not good.
2-7 is not good, I get that,but it's still that.

(47:16):
The in-season firing.
It's that in-season firing.
I'm still kind of like are wereally doing?
It's that in season fire andI'm still kind of like, are we
really doing?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
that Can you?
It's, it's Ken, can you?
That is going to spark fireunderneath everybody Cause you,
you have to the player.
It's like, well damn, I, I'mpart of the reason why this
person lost their job.

(47:46):
Yeah, so, and do you go outthere and try to play to make
new coach look good, or to proveyourself that you can still do
this, to prove yourself that youcan still do this, that it's

(48:07):
just the coaches you know faultit's also you know you have to
get to the situation and knowthat you have to play better
because but the same way as yousaid it is, we're halfway
through the season.
But the same way as you said itis, we're halfway through the
season and after this season, inmost scenarios you're going to

(48:31):
have another head coach, becauseit's not very common that your
interim head coach becomes thehead coach next season, right?
So, no matter what happens,you're not just playing a job.
You know you're going to have anew coach next season.
You're playing for your job.

(48:51):
So you have to prove yourself.
Otherwise, youboys are adifferent scenario.
I mean, they've been callingfor McCarthy's head for three
games after he probably gothired.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Right, I mean, if I was.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Dak Prescott, I probably would have faked an
injury to do it for the nextthree games.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Oh man, yeah, yeah.
So Because don't get me wrong II think that mccarthy is a
decent coach, not saying toptier greater like I think he's a
decent coach, uh he definitelywas.
Yeah, when he's in green bay,like he, he really was.
Like.
Like, when you talk about, youknow, during that time frame

(49:44):
when he was in green bay, whenyou talk about one of the,
during that timeframe when hewas in green Bay, when you talk
about one of the best minds, oneof the top coaches like Mike
McCarthy was always on that listSome people would say that
Aaron Rogers made him look good.
I mean, but at the same time,mike McCarthy was the architect
behind the offense that AaronRogers had.
So it can go both ways.

(50:04):
They both made each other lookgood.
But it's just something aboutbeing the head coach at Dallas.
It's just something about.
I don't know what it is, butit's just.
More times than not, they maysee some success, but long-term

(50:26):
it's just not there.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
And is it pressure?
I mean, when you are hired forthe Cowboys, you're the starting
quarterback of the Cowboys,back of the Cowboys.
If you're anybody on theCowboys, you are almost held to
a higher standard that you haveto live up to.
Expectations.

(50:53):
It's like playing for theYankees.
You can't play for the Yankeeswithout being criticized.
You're expected to win and besuccessful, and for that team is

(51:13):
it poorly managed?
Is do you?
Are you paying too much moneyto players and not being able to
balance out your team?
Then there's there's a lot ofmoving parts that it could turn
it on.
You know what can cause a teamto not be successful.
You have a quarterback whomakes $265 million a year.

(51:37):
You have one wide receiver whois now paid.
You have.
You have, luckily, you havesome young defensive players,
but you now have, you know, yourlinebacker who is one of the
highest paid players in all ofNFL.
But these little parts, youroffensive line, is continuously
getting worse and worse.

(51:58):
When they were, how many yearsago, had the best line in all
the football You're running back.
Nobody's ever heard of Right.
You were so desperate.
You brought Zeke back, who isnow essentially was benched last
year or wasn't even travelingwith the team.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't think he's traveled.
Yeah, I don't think he'straveled at all.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
You know you have it where, if you can't fill
injuries with role playersyou're set up to and, as a head
coach, that's not something thatyou can control, but yet you
have all the blame to take forit.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
So I mean injuries can kill a team and injuries can
ruin a team.
If you don't have a way to fill, you know.
Look at the Rams.
The Rams were one of the worstteams in the league not that
they're the worst, but they wereriddled by you lose a lot of

(53:04):
injuries yeah, offensive line,but you have players.
That's you know, and it's no, nobuddies, but players that are
young and were able to step with.
With Whittington, a young,second best wide receiver in

(53:28):
Texas comes in, able to fill thevoid for Cup and Puka and, yeah
, we weren't winning games, butwe were in games, as you know.
Players that were able to filland now they're getting in
better and better.

(53:48):
Each they moved from last placeto first second place.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Somehow still there.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
But you then now have this development where these
players that were showing in thetime when others were out now
they're in this continuedoffense, and when you don't have
teams, that don't have reservesor people that can come in, it
fails.
Yeah, now I don't expect theCardinals to be there for very

(54:16):
long.
You know, call of Duty 6 justcame out, so you know, we know
how.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
That caliber is going to get back on he getting ready
For that right.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, that's when, when Call of Duty comes out.
But you never know, this onemight get him excited.
He knows, if he wins he gets toplay more.
Maybe that's his, maybe that'shis.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
He wins.
Was that built Into thecontract again?
Is that what we still?
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Tyler, every, every game you win, every touchdown
you throw, you get an extra hourof call of duty oh, my goodness
, so but, but to but.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
To piggyback on what you said about the, you know the
, the Rams having the um.
I think it's success they'rehaving from the, from the
reserves, from the backup, andisn't it interesting how it's
unfortunate it's success they'rehaving from the reserves, from
the backup, and isn't itinteresting how it's unfortunate
it's happening due to injuries,but isn't it interesting how,

(55:14):
when younger players are gettingthe opportunity to play,
they're growing and they'redeveloping and they're gaining
the experience, and they'redeveloping and they're gaining
the experience.
It's like huh, does that recipereally work?
Yeah, more times than not, itdoes.

(55:37):
More times than not it does.
I wanted to ask you, thoughwatching I was watching the
Monday night game with my secondoldest what do you think about
DeAndre Hopkins being added tothe Kansas City Chiefs roster?

(55:59):
Nah, he looked good.
He looked good playing.
I think the league should havevetoed it and it never should
have happened.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
You think, nah, he looked good.
He looked good playing.
I think the league should havevetoed it and it never should
have happened.
You think I mean they gave upnothing to bring in a wide
receiver who was sittingsomewhere just rotting.
That was not washed up.
Just when you play for a badteam, it's hard to it's hard to

(56:30):
be motivated.
I get that yep you're justwaiting for an angel to fall out
of the sky and say follow me togreatness.
And he was lifted and flown toKansas City and said here you go
.
And he he showed out it's just,and I just you know, as a

(56:58):
non-fan of you know, kansas CityChiefs they've become the
villains of the NFL.
It was the Patriots for so long.
It's like you.
You just hate to see them getbetter.
And they're not even.
And, yes, you can say this witha grain of salt and say they're
not even.
And, yes, you can say this witha grain of salt and say they're
not even good this year, yetthey're still somehow undefeated

(57:23):
.
Right, and it's.
It's astonishing to say that,because doesn't that make them
good?
Like you can say that they'renot even good this year, yet
they're still undefeated.
So therefore, they're stillgood.
They're still good.
But if you look at numbers,they are not a good.

(57:46):
They have not been a good team.
They've been bad for threequarters and then somehow in the
fourth quarter, yeah, theirgames.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's unbelievable.
Their games this year has beenlike yes, we see that they're
undefeated Should have lost.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Monday night and then all of a sudden in the fourth
quarter and then the first drivein overtime, dropped the mic.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, because when you look at the points scored,
points against, I think thenumbers like they scored 203.
The opponents altogether scored147.
So it seems like it's a big gap, but it's really not.
You know that's a difference ofof, like one to two scores a

(58:36):
game.
You know, eight times eight, 64.
Yeah, so you know that's adifferent one to two scores a
game.
So being that team that canfinish it out is kind of what
they've been relying on.
They they've been relying on.
They've been relying on that,no matter what, like when the

(58:58):
fourth quarter comes, we'll beable to Handle business and
we'll get out of this game.
It's just, it's a.
It's a.
It's not necessarily scary,it's An unpredictable thing to
do sometimes.
Sometimes, because whathappened if that opposing team

(59:18):
does everything they need to dothe right way in the fourth
quarter, and then that game justgoes a whole different way?
It just surely goes a wholedifferent way because of that.
But yeah, as of right now.
Yeah, yeah, it's unfair.
And then, yeah, and then we'readding DeAndre Hopkins, like you

(59:39):
know, it's one of those thingsto where, like you said, he was
right, Pretty much, like youknow, not happy.
You know team's not good.
You know, what can I do or whatcan they do to help, to help
him out.
And it was kind of like hereyou go, We'll give you that.

(01:00:02):
It was like what 2025 picks orsomething like that, Like the
year 2025 draft round picks orsomething like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Fifth round draft pick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Fifth round draft pick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Fifth round draft pick I think it was a third,
that was a fourth.
No, it was a fifth.
It was a fifth round draft pickand Mingo, the wide receiver
for the Panthers, went for afourth to Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
They really did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
He's a second round a second year player compared to
somebody who's been for eightyears, but again he's a fourth
round, a fifth round pick,because Devante went for a third
and then what's his name thatwent to the Ravens Went for a

(01:01:05):
fifth as well.
Johnson, johnson, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Wow, man, yeah, kansas City definitely came out
of that one to win, that that'sfor sure.
Wow, because it was Tennesseethat Hopkins was at right.
It was Tennessee.
Mm-hmm, yeah, I'd be like, no,you better give me this, you
better give me this, you bettergive me this, you better give me

(01:01:35):
that.
You better give me some cash,you better give me this, you
better give me this, you bettergive me this, you better give me
that.
You better give me some cash,you better give me this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Oh man, let me ask you this because I think over
the past two weeks we'vepossibly seen two of the
greatest plays, or the two ofthe greatest plays or the two of
the greatest central plays inNFL history, with the catch,

(01:02:07):
with the jets the one hand catchand Saquon hurtling backwards
over somebody's head.
Yes, after he put one of thenastiest spin moves that you
will see of running back put onsomebody.
Yes, you then leap backwards.
Yes, go spread eagle oversomebody's head.

(01:02:31):
Which one do you think wasbetter?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
I'm going to have to say the hurdle, the one-handed
catch, was great.
Don't get me wrong.
I was like damn, that was a.
I'm like that was a hell of acatch.
But to hurdle someone backwards, that's just freaking nation

(01:02:59):
talent there.
You may not know it was goingto happen, but just because it
happened it doesn't matter.
You saw it happen and it's likethat was wild.
I would have to say.
I'd have to say, say Quan'sback with Hurdle and it was
talked about like crazy, like itwas.

(01:03:20):
They started creating memes offof it that quick, you know.
I mean, that's the world welive in anyway.
Everything can simply becreated off of a meme, but but
no, definitely that theathleticism is a whole new level
nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Just yeah, amount of one-handed catches.
Oh yeah, it's.
It's like first nature.
Now, if you can't the theovertime winner for the Rams,
yeah, yeah, you don't think thatthat was a great thrown ball,
but it was also a one-handedcatch.
Yeah, you know, to win it andthat's like that's.

(01:03:59):
That is what every kid now islike.
I need to be able to catch theball one hand yeah and that and
those things.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Like I can say not speaking for everybody, of
course, but when I coachedfootball, like I was coaching
receivers, like we had a coupleof drills where you know I was
like I want you to try to catchthe ball one hand and this is
high school, you know.
So imagine when you able to havetime to actually work on like

(01:04:30):
one hand to catch, like it wasliterally legit, like I'm going
to throw this over your shoulderand I need you to run under it
and I need you to put your handout.
I want you to grab it with onehand, secure with one hand, and
pull it in.
You know that that was thedrill and I think that and I got
that off of I think it was a,it was a college clip that I saw
of a practice.

(01:04:51):
That's where I got it from.
So I'm sure you kind of likeyou said like kids in the game
or young folks saying that, oh,I need to know how to catch the
ball one-handed, like that'slegit, being practiced on.
As when you look, 20 years agopeople caught the ball
one-handed, yeah, but it wasn'tsomething that was really

(01:05:11):
practiced.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
You know what I'm saying you gotta tell them be
like.
You do not catch the ball onehanded, you use two hands.
God gave you two hands for areason you do not try and catch
it with one hand or I will benchyou exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And look, you gotta go all the way through, hey,
when it's above, your chestdiamonds.
When it's midsection and down,well, chest diamonds when his
midsection in now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Well, and you recommend me if I'm wrong here,
cause I you know you wonder whythat's such a popular trend now
Is it would you say that it'smore or less because that you
know quarterbacks have gotten somuch better they're quicker,

(01:06:00):
you know they have a little bitmore leniency on what they can
do that you have to be able tohave that advantage of.
You know where the quarterbackcan position the ball because
you can put it in a differentspot.
If you can only have to reachone hand out instead of two, if

(01:06:20):
you can step further, yep, thatit gives you a little bit more
of an advantage.
To a cornerback who's you know,playing man on you, you have a
little bit more you know roomthat you can play off of, or you
know you can take thatadvantage of.
On a cornerback like what doyou say is uh one, you know room
that you can play off of, oryou know you can take that
advantage of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
On a cornerback like what do you say is uh one, you
know the more the biggestreasons to that I think what
that's been is the uh, the moreso I guess you can say the
precision passing of thequarterback making sure that
they are really getting the balldown the field.
Uh, because when you're able toget in a position as a receiver

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to where you can run and extendone arm out and the quarterback
is able to put it there or putit near that hand for you to
catch, it is definitely themhaving that ability to really
throw the ball down the field.
Over the years we've seen somestrong going quarterbacks Don't
get me wrong but as time hasgone on and they've become more

(01:07:24):
athletic, more talented, it'sreally about them being able to
throw the ball far, because youreally you usually don't see a
one-handed catch 10 yards downthe field.
It's not going to be in thatsituation.
It's going to be at least 20,30 yards down the field that you
got that quarterback droppingback and really putting that
ball there.

(01:07:45):
I think that's part of thereason why you see a lot of
footballs being overthrown isbecause they're trying to leave
the receiver so much so far toget away from the corner, or the
safety is that the ball justgets overthrown.
But if they can get it to thatposition, to where that receiver
can just reach their arm out orlunge out with a diving catch.

(01:08:09):
That's how you can definitelytell that, that the game has
changed and I think part of thatchange came with just opening
up the spread offense, you know,just throwing the ball a whole
lot more.
So I think it plays a majorrole with training for sure,

(01:08:31):
what the quarterbacks areworking on, the fundamentals,
and it's not so much as in youknow, step in here and the ball
off, there we're gonna.
It's really about stretchingthe field, kind of like what I
was saying a little early aboutcollege players.
Like you know, it's going tohave a specific target sometimes
, but it's really aboutstretching the field.

(01:08:52):
So I think it plays a majorrole that the mechanics are
different for quarterbacks aswell To be able to throw the
ball down the field.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
that way A little less precise.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yeah, so it's more of that.
They just get to launch itdownfield and especially when
you got speed, you got toreceive it as fast and they just
launch it and never see it andjust go get it.
They just get that little bitof help by just extending one
arm out away from the defenderand snatching it with their hand

(01:09:28):
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
So when you talk about, you know the precise and
then you know the ability tocatch it.
Stay in bounds.
Where are you on this whole?
One shin equals two feet, or amI right to say it was two taps
with the same toe?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Is that the yes, the, the rule that I know, know that
you gotta get two feet inboundsand that's the rule it should
be, especially on the nfl level.
You have to get two feet in forit to be a catch.
For them to get a shin down andsay it's a catch.

(01:10:12):
I know, I don't like that.
I I love to see you know that,because it's another level of
athleticism for them to be soclose to the sideline but yet to
get that one equals two feetright like it's it's.
I mean, if they're, if they godown catching the ball and

(01:10:36):
they're inbounds and they'retouched on the ground, I can see
that being caught inbounds.
But if they're catching theball, hitting the ground, I'm
just a fan of seeing the toe tap.
I can remember that it used tobe a bunch of YouTube videos
made up of just toe taps,sideline catches, and I think

(01:11:02):
that the rules they kind of getit becomes wishy-washy because
they give the leniency of rules.
Let's say this is the rule, butthis can happen, this can
happen, this can happen, thiscould happen.
So you have all these differentscenarios that you have to

(01:11:28):
judge off of whether it's acatch or not.
But me, you know it may be oldschool thing and ain't trying to
be, I just like it's thatdefinitive.
One foot down, other foot down.
Secure the ball.
Don't bobble it going out.
That's a catch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Speaking of rule changes, I'll kind of bring into
this one.
There's been two significantchanges to the NFL this season.
The kickoff is completelydifferent, and then also, one
that I've really started toappreciate more and more is the

(01:12:14):
replay assist.
And so what, what has been youropinion on the kickoff so far?
So far, and, uh, what do youthink of how, how impactful the
replay assist has been?
Uh, this season?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
uh, well, I, I think that they're always looking for
different ways to I'm talkingabout the replay first.
They're always looking fordifferent ways to be able to see
all the possible angles, allthe different scenarios that it
takes place when a play happens,to make sure that they are
making the right call.

(01:12:50):
I not really against whateverreplay tactics they want to use,
they want to be involved with,uh, because I think it's good
for the game, because now it'sso many different variables.
We know that the refs can't seeeverything.
Um, I mean us as fans watchingthe game.
We, we definitely can't seeanything, everything because of

(01:13:12):
the angle.
You know, we think we did, wethink we can, but no, I, I think
that I think that the replayhelp is a good thing.
Of course, you have to see overtime.
You know they got this seasonand I think there's something
that has to be multiple seasons,you know, and when it comes to
the pass interference will evermake it into replay assist after

(01:13:37):
the failed attempt of thechallenge.
You know that's a hard, thatthat's the hard one because we
kind of see we've seen it alittle bit with basketball to
where they go back on a foul tosay we're going to see, we're
going to see if this foul is aflagrant.

(01:14:00):
You know, we're going to see ifthis is a flagrant or a common
foul.
So that's a little bitdifferent.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, NBA is ruined replay and I might've talked
about this before and I'll makethis quick, but it was.
It might've been three, it wasthree or four years ago.
It was like the year that itcame out in the NBA.

(01:14:28):
When you're playing basketballwhether if it's pickup or
anything and you go to shoot theball and it's hit out of your
hands by the defender, whoseball is it?
Say it again.
So if I go to shoot and you'redefending me and I go up to

(01:14:50):
shoot and you block the ball asI'm shooting and it goes out of
bounds, Whose ball is it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
If I block the ball, not out of the air not out of
the air.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
If I'm going up to shoot and you hit the ball out
of my hands and it goes out ofbounds, no matter where you're
playing, whose ball is it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
It should be my ball.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
It's always been offensive ball because you hit
it out of bounds.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
I mean, but you said that you wouldn't.
You said I hit it off your hand, Maybe I hit it.
And then it hit your fingertipslast before it went out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I just remember no, no, it's offense.
I just remember that thechallenge replay on the call it
was LeBron was in the corner andI don't.
Oh gosh, who was a calendar?
Who's a the really gooddefender that everybody hates
now that keeps going team toteam.

(01:15:50):
You talk about Beverly, yes,beverly hit the ball and due to
replay them, replaying it andchallenging it, it goes off as
it hits and you see it roll offof LeBron's fingers.
Yeah, and when that case, aftersince that that play now is,

(01:16:11):
it's now the defensive ballbecause of that, but yeah, in
any game, but now it's alwaysbeen offensive, it's always been
offensive ball and it's likenow.
It's like you can challengeevery little call in the in the
last two minutes of the nba.
It's like we need to stop thegame to to do a replay.
We need to check the clock.

(01:16:33):
It makes two minutes in the NBAgo for 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yeah, it really does.
It really does extend the game along time.
It's a low rank, right.
If we was doing some streetball and stuff, it'd be offense
ball.
I gotta check it back up.
Play defense again.
It's one of those situations.

(01:17:02):
With that call with, with thatplay, it has changed the dynamic
of that.
But uh, oh but.
But the kickoff, the nflkickoff.
I'm gonna tell you this I didwhen I first saw it.
I forgot about that rule change.
I was weird.
I forgot about that weird, thatrule change.
So I was looking and I was likewhat the hell are they doing?
Like what is this?
I'm like it's not a.
I'm like this is not a safety.

(01:17:23):
And I'm like what does thisgreen box mean?
I'm like what is?
And?
And then the ball is kicked andnobody's moving.
I'm like what is going on?
And they finally catch it.
I'm like what is going on?
And they finally catch it andI'm like, oh yeah, that's the
new kickoff rule that they'reimplementing.
You know it's.
It definitely changes the game,for sure, because most of the

(01:17:50):
time, by the time they get theball, they're probably in the
end zone or the team is justabout right down the field.
Uh, because I what it is isthey can't catch it.
They can't go until thereceiver catches the ball in the
in the green box right.
Isn't that what it is, somesome along those lines.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
So if they catch it in the green box, they have to
return it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yeah, they got to return it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
You can't take off until it's caught.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Until it's caught, there we go yeah, so you get it
secure, because when it comesdown to it, most of the time we
don't even see a return.
We don't even see a return formost of the time.
It's kind of like man, he mightas well go ahead and just put
on the 25, but on 2025 and justlet them play.

(01:18:42):
You know, if that, if yeah, wewon't, we won't see the, the
returns of the kickoff, returnsof old as we once used, we used
to witness, you know, but I meanpunt is still the returns of
old as we once used to witness.
You know, but I mean punt isstill there.
Punt return is still there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, I don't like the fact that you have to
essentially announce that you'redoing an onside kick.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
You think of the Super?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Bowl the halftime and the Super Bowl with the
surprise onside kick.
Like that play is, you know,stands alone on itself because
it was such a genius call.
Yeah.
It was an epic play.
And now that is impossible.
It's, you know, it's nevergoing to happen Something like
that again, because you have totell the other team hey, we're

(01:19:36):
going to happen something likethat again, because you have to
tell the other team hey, we'regoing to onside kick it so you
can get prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yeah, the element of surprise was always a good thing
with the onside kick.
Now, of course, sometimesyou'll see teams load players up
on one side so you kind of gotan idea, oh, it's coming.
But there were other times towhere got an idea, oh, it's
coming.
But there were other times towhere you did not know it was
coming.
It was just a regular setup andthat kicker just put their foot

(01:20:01):
on a certain part of the ball,the ball roll and hit the ground
at a certain point and thenpops up or just goes dead and
it's like uh-oh, onside kick.
You know, but it it's kind oflike that um, what is it like
when?
Uh, when the offensive linemanis ineligible, is an eligible

(01:20:22):
receiver?
You know, you know they got toreport to the ref and then the
ref had to say you know this,you know, number 75 is
ineligible, is a eligible or isineligible receiver?
But yeah, but to announce thatyou're doing an onside kick.
I think that's one of thosethings that goes with them

(01:20:43):
trying to make the game safer.
That's one of those approachesthat they're taking.
So everybody is aware and theyknow okay, onside kick is coming
to make sure that they canprotect themselves and that's
why I think, with the kickoff,that that is things that they're
doing to eliminate the amountof contact that happens within

(01:21:08):
the game of football in thecontext work, you know.
Eliminate the amount of contactin the game of football.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
I just think back how many injuries have you ever
seen on an outside kick?
I mean it can happen, but Ican't say that I've ever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
There's not one that I can specifically say Right, I
agree, I agree.
Can't say that I've ever.
There's not one that I canspecifically right I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I agree.
I remember when this guy Iheard it was on that dang, on
the kick that ruined it yeah, no, I get that, trust me, I get it
that kickoff, that kickoff youreally don't, not a lot, but uh,
I I can't, I can't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
You know it was when we were coming up.
You know, we guys used toheadhunt on kickoff, like
they're, they're looking forthat one who got their head
turned the other way and andthen they're ready to go and

(01:22:14):
just ear hole them.
You know, and before, like youwanna know what it is, what's
that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
kids today are getting softer.
You know why.
They don't even play dodgeballyou know what you know.
That is something that I hadyou, you, you can't play
dodgeball in school anymore.

(01:22:43):
There's no dodgeball.
They play with little whatlittle leather balls.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
They get a tag other yeah, I've been hearing about
that.
Uh, you know, like I, I was oneI was one of the teachers that
defied the rules because we werekind of told hey, you know,
don't do dodgeball, you know,and I'm like this Red Rover,
this ball is not going to hurtthem, it's not, you know, they

(01:23:11):
just have to.
There's no wonder you can'ttackle anybody anymore, right.
I'm like dodge'm, like theyhave not developed right that,
that that developed the, thegrit.
You know they have cognitiverisk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Yes, you know, stuck, dip, dive and dive, they're all
things you have to learn.
And, yes, be successful, yes,and so just no wonder you can't
take a tackle.
You can't even train these guysto get hit by balls anymore.
You just, it just amazed me tofind that out, and it's I feel

(01:23:49):
sorry for kids.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
yeah, because dodgeball that was, that's a
highlight right there.
Like dodgeball is like when itwas dodgeball day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
it was like yes, hey we're playing dodgeball.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
You're going to get the most participation from
everybody the students who don'teven like going to gym class
doing PE stuff even they get inon dodgeball, like everybody did
dodgeball.
Everybody did dodgeball.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
But now it's like.
So of course these kids arelearning not to make contact
anymore and it's just sad.
I feel bad for you to enjoy it.
No wonder kids are soft.
It's so bad.
Sorry to the kids that are outthere, right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
You're missing out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
They're missing out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
I can say I think some places somebody does some
form of dodgeball.
Because I can?
Because when I was talking tomy uh, second oldest, where I
left, you know, I was like, whatare you doing in gym class?
And p he was like, well, youknow, we play this, this version
of dodgeball.
But I like playing dodgeballand I was like, well, at least

(01:25:14):
you're playing some version ofit instead of like not having it
in the curriculum at all.
You know, like I was like I waslike have you got hit by ball?
Like yeah, and I've hit peopletoo.
Like okay, so you know, justI'm I.
That's a win for me.
I don't want to hear anyanything else about how that
game is played.
All I know is that you can hitother people and other people

(01:25:36):
have hit you and you got to getout the way of it.
That is fine with me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
My nephew I think it was his 10th birthday party last
year.
We're at a little place andthey, we all played dodgeball
and I tell you I made a lot ofkids tougher because these are
little 10 year olds and 8 yearolds and you know, I might have,
incidentally, hit a few in theface, but you know what?

(01:26:02):
I made them tougher for thatand they are more ready for the
world that they're walking intobecause of this and I enjoyed
the hell out of it.
I bet you did, and I'll tellyou this.
After three games I could well.
I was worn out, I couldn't liftmy arm like I mean.
I realized how old I was atthat point.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
But right, I went to ice my shoulder down.
Yeah, we took the kids to umtrampoline park.
We took the kids to trampolinepark and you know they had the.
You know they had the.
You know the dodgeballs inthere.
You know we're just throwingthem around and one of those
kids threw a dodgeball at me.
I said all indoctrination iscoming up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
I pegged the kid smack dab in the middle of his
face and I was like I hit thekid too, and I looked over his
mom and she's like that's allright, he'll, he'll.
He'd probably deserved it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Look, the dad said, yeah, do it again.
See cause we understand.
Oh, man, ooh, oh, my goodness.
But I do want to make, I dowant us to talk a little NBA
before we, before we finish up,so we know we touch on the one,

(01:27:25):
the biggest, one of the biggestthings in history yeah.
So there's a lot of thingsreally, but, uh, you know there
was some changes.

(01:27:46):
Is off season, um, with youknow, call Anthony towns going
to New York, dicks, you knowkind of.
You know, I think we kind ofseen some of those changes
taking place.
We know Damian Lillard went toa new team, you know, and was
trying to, you know, figure, notnecessarily figure out the role

(01:28:09):
, but just be impactful, youknow, not being in Portland
anymore, so we're starting tosee, you know these, uh, what'd
they say?
The Statesmen.
We see the Statesmen, they withthese organizations for a while
and they and then they changeteams, they go different ways
and all that.
Um, but I wanted to ask you ifand this is this is a bold move,

(01:28:36):
bold question but do you thinkthat the Milwaukee Bucks would
trade Giannis?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
No, but there are rumors that have started that
Dame could be traded himself.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Because the reason why I asked it with Giannis
specifically, like how you saywhat the rumors are going, they
assume that since Dame is the,he hasn't been there as long,
they want to try to keep himaround a little bit longer.
But Giannis is kind of thatfocal piece and even though he's

(01:29:29):
not doing too many things thathe's done in the past lately, so
far he's still an importantplayer, the franchise player
with milwaukee, and I don't Iwouldn't see them trading him.
Uh, because you know you're,you pretty much trade him.

(01:29:50):
You're getting a team if you,if you, if you're trading yannis
, you're gonna get you a team.
You know, but what playerscould you get to fill the void
once Giannis is like really backon it again?
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
I don't think.
I think that they.
I mean when the Lakers acquiredoh my God, I'm blanking on the
moment right now.
What's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Anthony Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Anthony Davis.
The Pelican did get an entireteam.
Yeah, they literally tradedtheir star five outside of
LeBron to get it.
Yeah, like they literallytraded their star five outside
of LeBron to get him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
I think that if you're, in a lot of cases to
trade a star, you have to get astar.
Mm-hmm, dame, I feel like I was.
I was looking at this earlierand they said something about
like the magic trying to trade.
You know young team that'sbeing, and then you know trading

(01:31:08):
way like some key players 34,35, something like that.
Like Giannis is still in his20s, like, still so.
Like if you can that.
Like Giannis is still in his20s, like, still so.
Like if you can trade somebodywho's 34 with four key pieces.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
That are some value yeah and also get picks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
I can see something like that happening, but like
where is it?
It was like this was a but likewhere is it?
It was like this was apotential, like drawn up trade.
Was the magic would receiveDamian Lillard, the Bucks would
receive Jonathan Isaac Cole,Anthony Anthony Black and some
of their five potential firstround picks, which is always

(01:31:56):
mind blowing because the NBA isso different that you can like
your first-round pick five yearsdown the road.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, Wow Like would
that make Milwaukee better orworse?

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
you get a future, but you're also you're wasting
every year that you have Giannisas he gets older.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I think Dame isa win-now player and you're
making that trade as a.
We're going to win when Giannisis now in his early 30s and
can't wait to win another one.
You don't have time to developmore people and try and squeeze

(01:32:36):
it out all the time.
Giannis is a freak of nature.
They don't call him a freak fornothing, but like as he gets
older, when you're that LeBronis the, he's the anonymous, like
anomaly.
You can't compare him toanybody else.
But as you get older and you'rethat large of a player, your

(01:32:56):
body wears down.
You can't play as.
And you're that large of aplayer.
Like your body wears down, yeah, you don't, you can't play as,
and you're just every year hegets.
You're trying to rebuildsomebody like that around, like
making him the center point.
Like you don't have as muchtime as you think.
Right, I don't know who.

(01:33:22):
like you can't trade him awayand just get youth and picks
exactly somebody who is back inthe same situation he was in in
Portland and you can't get.
There's nobody for him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
No, that's a very fair point, it is.
But that's why I was saying,like, if you, if they want to
even like, flirt with the idea,like you have to legit get
pieces for that.
Or what you said is, if youwant, want this star, you got to
give me a star, you know, andthat's the way that that has to

(01:34:03):
work.
But I think that whenever we we, we kind of know how the
dynamic go, whenever theirstruggle or team is not doing
well, that's where the talks ofthe trade and getting rid of
this player, getting rid of thatplayer, getting this player
come to talk, because of coursewe wouldn't be talking about
this if they were undefeated.

(01:34:24):
Or you know, if they um, ifthey were, you know, if they
weren't one in five, you know, Idon't think we'd be having this
conversation.
But and we know that in the nba, you know his 82 games, we know
that.
But still, this is, this is themagnitude of uh, where we are
in society.
Now to where you go one in fivein your first six, seven, you

(01:34:49):
know one in your first six gamesin the nba, you know things
ain't going right, things arenot going right.
You know you got some time thatyou could get it back on track.
You know, uh, it makes it seemthat it's not going right.
You know there's a and thenwith that it's been a hot start
from the cavaliers for sure.

(01:35:11):
Uh, I was able to watch theirgame the other day.
Can't remember who they played.
Why can't I think of who theyplayed, um, but uh, and they're
nine and oh, yeah, they, theylike they, they were, it was
they.
They played really good.
They look like, uh, you knowit's um, they look like a young,

(01:35:34):
tough team.
You know and know, and I thinkthat, um, you know they, they
could make some noise movingforward.
Now, uh, some folks still have,you know, boston as the number
one team to to win it all thisyear.
Uh, they still have.
You know, I, I think I did seethat cause they played golden

(01:35:55):
state tonight, didn't they?
I did see that because theyplayed Golden State tonight,
didn't they?
Mm-hmm, yeah, they did.
Yeah, so, but when I sit hereand I look, you know I see I'm
going to glance at the WesternConference first.
I'm going to glance and youknow, you got Thunder 7-0.
You got Phoenix 7-1.
You got Golden State 7-1.

(01:36:17):
You know the Rockets, you got5-1.
You got Golden State 7-1.
The Rockets, you got 5-3.
Clay being with the Mavericksnow they're 5-3 as well.
You see that.
Let's see the Nuggets 4-3.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Johnny James ran Lakers now Now 4-4.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Yeah, they're 4-4.
Yeah, with your boy, jj Riddick, after him as a coach there.
So, from what I've heard, he iscoaching.
He is coaching them up.
I kind of said it before in thepast about you know.
I think you said it as well.

(01:36:54):
I think we agreed that AnthonyDavis has to really like.
Yes, we know lebron james isthe best player in the league
right now, for sure, you know.
But we know that anthony davishas to be that future piece for
the lakers and he has to be thatone to show like this is.

(01:37:16):
You know I'm next, you know I'mnext.
And that brings me to something, because someone sent something
to me.
I don't know the validity of thequote.
You know I should have did mydue diligence, but it kind of
came to me here soon.
But someone said this and thisis an NBA player, let's see if

(01:37:39):
you can figure out who it is.
You may have heard it I'm moreskilled than Hakeem and more
dominant than Shaq.
I'm easily the best center toever play the game.
That's Joel Embiid.
That is Joel Embiid.
Is that Joel Embiid?

(01:37:59):
That is Joel Embiid, the onewho said that will not play
back-to-back games?
We're not playing back-to-backgames anymore this season.
I heard this Someone sent thatto me as well and I said wait,
what?
So I, the NBA?

(01:38:25):
They have a tough schedule 82games.
They try to bracket it in Someof those nights.
You're going to be playingback-to-back games.
You're going to be playingback-to-back nights, you're
going to be playing.
But I would think that if he'snot playing in back-to-back
games, that's probably gonna belike you know, 14, 15 games,
like he's not playing in at allbecause I'm sure they got

(01:38:45):
multiple of those in theschedule.
Uh, with the cb, with the uhcba rule, they um, with the
collective bargaining agreement,they have to play in a certain
number of games to be eligiblefor yearly awards.
I know he's been injured.
I don't even think that wouldmake him eligible to even get

(01:39:07):
any to be eligible for anyyearly awards or anything like
that.
But it was.
It was interesting to hear thetake from other players in the
league former players I listenedto.
I think it was Kendrick Perkinsthat he kind of said something

(01:39:29):
that was like you know, I get itbecause he it may have been
Kendrick Perkins that wastalking at the time, or it may
have been somebody else Shoot, Ican't remember.
I can't remember God dang.
Remember god dang it.
But what I heard was I get that.
You know he wants to make surehe's taking care of his body, he
wants to make sure he's healthy.

(01:39:49):
Uh, so he's not playing inevery nba game.
Get that, he said.
But kind of like, when you lookat lebron james, though and
everybody can't be LeBron Jamesbut when you see someone who's
played a long time and they playnight in and night out to their
body can and they've done youknow they take care of their
body it's kind of like why doyou get to choose that?

(01:40:14):
You're not going to be playingin every single game, and you
know, do you think that thereshould be some?
Because I don't know if this isthe case or not, but do you
think there should be somecontingencies or safeguards
built in to contracts whenplayers, like, make such a

(01:40:35):
decision?
When players make such adecision?

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
I think that there's a simple solution you either A
eliminate back-to-back nights or, b, you can keep it the same
but lower the games from 82 to72 or something like along those

(01:41:02):
lines.
Yep, your games is a lot ofgames for a sport that
essentially on a given night foreach team there's about what
eight players that rotate maybe,like for the most part.

(01:41:25):
Yeah, I mean it's a high,intense, like in football.
If you think about in football,like they, they say like when
you got to play, and I know thatthey purposely try and not make
it where you're the mondaynight game and then you're the

(01:41:48):
thursday night game, like theystrategically try and schedule
those, you know, or where ifyou're traveling over to london,
then you might go into yourbi-week, you know right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Unless they flex, unless they use the flex.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Yeah, so there's there.
I mean there are ways to tohelp benefit teams and players.
I think that Independence onyour position like as an NFL,
like even sometimes with aquarterback.
You could almost argue that bythe end of a game as a

(01:42:27):
quarterback, you're lessexhausted than you are than
playing one NBA game.
Oh yeah, and expected to go outtomorrow night and play again,
and play again.
Yeah yeah, I get that.
Yeah yeah, I get that.
I get that.
Like you, you either stop andhockey.
I know even hockey does it.
But I'd say this you don't hearhockey players complain about

(01:42:49):
it, but that's just.
That's a different mindset,that's the mindset of the sport.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Basketball is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
I mean they say it's a bunch of prima donnas, which I
mean.
Sometimes it is, but it is alot on your body to and to think
that LeBron is doing it at damnnear 40.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Yeah, at the level he's doing it too yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
And not coming out and saying, well, I'm not
playing back to back.
It's like he has 10 years onhim being, that's true is not
complaining, still going out andgiving it, and it's playing at
a high level, like if you'regoing to force players into and
I agree with it, I think thatyou should.

(01:43:35):
You should go in with theexpectations that you're playing
, because, as a fan we talkedabout this before Yep, I'm
spending money on what?
Going to see my favorite playerplaying to find out, oh, he's
not playing tonight because he'stired, he's needs to rest.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Yep, we did stop scheduling games.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Extend the season a little bit longer and spread out
the games a little bit more orschedule less games.
So extend the season a littlebit longer, yeah, and spread out
the games a little bit more orschedule less games so that the
season is the same, buteliminate those Like it's how
many back-to-backs, like I thinkI was let me like if you look
at the Lakers here just the if Iwere to look at the schedule

(01:44:23):
for the Lakers, you have andmaybe this doesn't count as the
ones that they've already playedbut 11, 15 and 16, so there's
one set of back-to-back two andlike this right here it's like
they play 11, 26, 11, 27 and 11,29, like three games in four

(01:44:44):
days.
Yeah, that's bad.
Like two there, three, three,four, four, four back-to-backs
for the rest of the season.

(01:45:05):
Yeah, so you take out thosefour games and you're still at a
75 76 game season.
Like, just spread them out,like it.
Yeah, it's an easy solution thatI just don't understand why
they don't take it right.
Baseball is different.
You have a different pitchergoing every single night.

(01:45:27):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, a pitchergoing out and it's like yep,
well, you're going back outtomorrow night to pitch, like
you physically cannot dophysically.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
I agree, you physically cannot compete like
that and compete at a high levelwithout causing harm and injury
to yourself.
You know, I know for sure thatthey, with that NBA cup, I know
it added like two games thatcould be back to back, cause I
think it's like it's like 10 or11 teams that have um and maybe

(01:46:02):
even that case, you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Those are the only times you have back-to-backs,
because it's like, yeah,tournament yeah, because for the
cup, yeah, for that NBA cup.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
But I think it's like , yeah, I think it's like 10 11
team, they got like 16back-to-back games or something
like that, because I, I know the, I know the suns got it,
because I looked at theirschedule recently.
I think the calves, one ofthose teams, I think the
clippers, the bucks, the nuggets, uh, just some of those teams
off the top of my head, um, andI think, and that's even like

(01:46:33):
the televised games too, um,they don't have, thank goodness
they don't have any.
Four games and five nights,though, like, thank goodness
they don't have that, becausethat is just like taxing, like
on anybody.
You know, when I was coachinghigh school, I was in a
situation like that well, wehave three, four games a week.
I'm like, how can we even getrest to get better?

(01:46:57):
You know, playing all thesegames?
You know it's, it's that, letme see, yeah, and so.
So the back to back.
I get that.
Like you, you got to adjust theschedule.
You have to make a change withthe number of games that's
played.
I would think that with the,you know the, what is it?

(01:47:20):
The preseason, you know, I knowthey don't have a minimum
number of games the NBA doesn'tmandate.
They just say they can't playmore than, like, six games in
the preseason or something likethat games in the preseason or

(01:47:43):
something like that.
So I was, I would think that ifyou say, okay, they can't play
no more than six games in theseason and we're looking to make
a change in the schedule I'mnot saying eliminate the
preseason completely, you know,but honestly, just get them,
just get them a few games, justget going, you know, because
it's going to oh three games.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Huh, nfl has three preseason games.
Yeah, it's six.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Yeah, so it's like.
So, if they just do, like youknow, two, three games for
preseason with the NBA, I thinkthat would be fine.
But, like I said, they don'tmandate a minimum number.
They just say they can't playmore than six in a year.
But just let them play a coupleor a few because more than
likely, you're going to beplaying your reserves or playing

(01:48:29):
some guys that you want to tryto see.
Ah, this is the last decision.
We're going to bring thisperson on the 10-day contract to
kind of see if there's somebodythat we want to have a part of
the roster for the season.
But you know, like you saidearlier, you know they only
really rotate eight guys in theNBA.
Like, they only really rotateeight guys, maybe nine sometimes
, but you, you're going to seethe same faces play throughout

(01:48:51):
the season.
So, yeah, we got to make surethat we got things built in
place to make sure that they can, you know, withstand and go
through the season and behealthy, and but yeah,
back-to-back games, it's a low.
It's a low for sure, it'sdefinitely a low for sure.

(01:49:12):
So, but I do like the proposalof, you know, cutting down games
and I think that has beensomething that has been said
before.
Just wonder when that will comeinto play.
If that's the case, you wouldlose some money.
You may lose a little bit ofmoney, but honestly, it's a few

(01:49:35):
games.
We're not talking aboutchopping it in half completely,
just go a few games.
We're not talking about, youknow, chop it in half completely
, just go half of it.
It's a few games that you know.
Other things can be put inplace, but I did want to ask you
If you extend it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Yeah, if you extend it you're in five games, like in
the season two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just make the season longer,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, justmake the season longer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Yeah, yeah, because once it's and just eliminate
that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Yeah, it's.
What is?
Because I think this?
Because this is year two ofthat NBA Cup.
Right, this is the second yearthey're doing the NBA Cup.
What's your thoughts on the NBACup?
We saw it last year, so what'syour thought on the NBA Cup?
We saw it last year, so what'syour thought on the NBA Cup?
You know, with this season youknow, I know the season started

(01:50:24):
I was going to say going intothis season, but you know what's
your thoughts on the NBA Cup?

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
I think it's fun.
I mean like, I mean you look inthe most exciting time of any
basketball season madness, yeah,a single elimination tournament
now, march, end of the seasonto determine a champion.

(01:50:53):
But like I think it's a funlittle.
You know I champion, but like Ithink it's a fun little.
You know, I think that, uh, Ithink that you could get
creative with it and maybe notmake it like count to like the

(01:51:14):
records and things like that,like make it something that like
maybe some ways like you couldmake it a lot of fun, ways like
adding in like the four pointshot or just like you know,
making it more fun and creativewould be an idea.
Right, they could also do thatwith, like the all-star game or
things like that.
But I think it's kind of Idon't know, it's a, it's a fun

(01:51:35):
perspective, like a fun idea,just because it's kind of like
an in-season March Madness.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Like a double elimination tournament.
I just I wonder how it feels,like that it impacts, because
like, if you win, you know Ican't, I thought it did, but
does it count towards youroverall record or does it?

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
not, I think it, I think it does.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Uh, let me see, let me see real quick, that's the
one thing I, I I couldn'tremember last season, Cause I
mean, doesn't it almost likewinning?
It give you a advantage becauseyou technically play more games
.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Uh, let's see.
The only one that doesn't counttowards the regular season
schedule is the championshipgame, but the other games are
built into the 82-game season.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
So then, technically, you have to play one additional
game if you win it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Correct.
So it's almost an unfairadvantage.
Exactly, exactly so if you getto the championship game, you're
playing an extra game in theseason.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
I mean it's a cool idea.
I think that it's justsomething that it's like it kind
of draws your interest now.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
It's a weird scenario how they have to like you're
playing these games and thenit's a round robin thing and or
however they do it like yeah,but it's a fun idea, yeah, I
think they could be creativewith it and, after you know,
they've had one year to do itand this will be the second year
and see how it goes.

(01:53:17):
Yeah, it's also some of thosethings Like I hope it's not like
oh, we added it in the nextseason.
It's like all right, we'recompletely going away with it
again.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
That's what I don't want to see, because I'm the one
that's like, okay, this isgoing to be year two under it.
Now you can kind of say, allright, year two.
How can we go to make changesand make adjustments?
Because what I like about theapproach they took, it wasn't

(01:53:43):
really any changes they madefrom the, from last season,
which is good because it was thefirst season.
Don't try to come and try tomake all these changes, because
you're trying to see how itworks and see how it develops.
So you need, you know, a coupleof seasons to really, you know,
collect data and identify, like, what's good, what's bad, what
could be changed, what could bemodified.

(01:54:04):
But yeah, I definitely would notwant to see it just go away
because, like you said, it's funand you know people look
forward to it.
They actually really lookforward to it and you know, you
know they gave him a lot of crapabout it but with the lakers,
you know, winning the first one,people gave a lot of crap but
still it was.
I think it was something thatthat was fun and good for the

(01:54:27):
game and one of the things out,uh, adam silver said was we want
to do something to make surethat we continue to keep the
fans engaged and entertainedwith the nba, and I think they
did that with that move, makingthat move.
I think they did that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Now I just got to do something with the All-Star game
, oh my man, the All-Star game.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
You know, that's a whole Make it a purpose Home for
advantage, yeah, yeah, becausenow it's like and you're gonna
get people to show up for it,not saying that they need to go
out there and play, like it'syou know if they're in the game
seven or game, or a winner takesall.
Or you know, when I go home nbaplayoff or championship game,

(01:55:15):
but just really like you know,win a go home NBA playoff or
championship game, but justreally, like you know, it's
become more of a theatrics.
Really, the whole weekend isreally more.
It's become more theatrics, youknow.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
I want to see the best dunkers in the league in
the dunk contest.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Yeah, yeah, like we, we, we haven't seen the best
three point shooters.
Yeah, we, we see people that candunk, you know, but we will.
Let's, let's see the best ofthe best of the dunkers get out
there.
So, oh, I just got a, anotification just came across my
phone.
You know, since I, I guess,since I live in Phoenix, now you

(01:56:03):
know, I have these.
Uh, I get these sports updatesfrom the Phoenix teams.
You know, um, and the suns beatthe heat one 12, one, 15.
And uh, tyler hero put up uh 28in the game.
Okay, kd the Slim Reaper put up32.
Devin Booker put up 22.

(01:56:24):
Brad Beal put up seven, andlet's see, nurkic had 20.
And Ty's Joan had five.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
That was from the starters that I never thought
would have been great.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Right, and let's see.
Yeah, tyler Hero, bam Bam had12.
Butler had 15.
Rozier had seven.
Jovick had four.
That was just the starters.
That's just the starters I'llput.
Rozier had 7, jovic had 4.
That was just the starters.
That's just the starters output.
But you know it's a prettydecent scoring game 112-115.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
So last NBA thought, and it's something that I think
we just have to acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:57:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
LeBron and Brownie get to step on the court for the
first time ever.
Yeah, we witness history.
Your thoughts on Brownie so farin his two and a half minutes
that he's played and averaging0.7 points per game.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
You know, we've seen this before, not the fact of
father and son being on the sameteam and on the same court at
the same time, but we've seenthis before to where there are
high expectations, high hope fora young player.
Uh, that young player may notstart, may not get on the floor

(01:58:00):
as much they may go to the gleague team, you know.
Whatever it may be, uh, I thinkthat it's great because I can't
think off the top of my head,but I know because it could have
been other situations.
But the last time I couldremember was uh ken griffey jr

(01:58:23):
sing, uh ken griffey, senior andken griffey jr playing at the
same time, like it's somethingthat we don't really see a lot
in history.
So for it to take place at thatmagnitude, especially with uh,
with it being le LeBron Jamesand his son, I think it was
something great.

(01:58:44):
The standard people are going tohold Bronny to is the same as
his dad.
I hope they understand thatthey are two completely
different people, two completelydifferent players, that
different expectations need tobe held.
But of course, over time he'sgoing to get good training, he's

(01:59:05):
going to get good practice,good development to where he can
be.
You know that he can become,you know, a great NBA player.
I was not expecting for him toget out there and play, you know
, 32 minutes and put up 25points in that, you know.
But that time, I think willcome for him.
I think that time will be there, you know, if he really wants

(01:59:30):
that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
What are realistic expectations for brownie james?

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
realist, uh, realistic expectations.
I think that, uh, it's, you know, the first couple years
definitely develop it, big, bigdevelopment, just uh, getting
him acclimated to the nba, justbe becoming nba player and and
working off of the tutelage of,you know, not being held to the

(02:00:03):
standard of his dad, you know,but it's a development piece.
I think that, like I said,because of the dynamics in the
NBA, now a lot of people can,it's just as easy for someone to
have success as just as much ofthem to fail.
The dynamics in the NBA, now alot of people can, it's just as
easy for someone to have successas just as much of them to fail

(02:00:25):
.
But, like I said, with theright training, the right
development, developmentalcoaches, you know, I think
realistically, realistically,we're looking, you know, down
the line, you know, within a,the few years, he makes an
impact and then he, he'd besomething great within the next
six years.

(02:00:45):
Well, not the greatest, but dogreat things.
If it pans out that way, youknow he should, he should
definitely be impacting the nba,definitely be a face of the NBA
to come fair enough what do youthink similar, different way

(02:01:06):
off?

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
I think he's a another college basketball
player that played less than oneyear in college and has all
these expectations and is agreat athlete.
Won't hear about him, for threeor four years.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
Yeah, it's going to take time.
Man, I really think it's goingto take time.
I could be wrong and he couldjust get out there crazy next
year, but I I think it's gonnatake a few years, you know, I
remember when the one and donewas a big thing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Oh yeah, had some big time athletes and as of late,
there's just there's, no,there's.
Now is Cooper flat being likethat next big final like one and
done but like you, just none ofthese players that have been
done have been stars.

(02:02:08):
Yeah, kyrie Irving played ingames at Duke and was an
immediate impact.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Yeah, zion you know the Jason Jason Tatum.
You know Jason Jason Tatum.
You know like, over the pastfew years, it's in the same
thing.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
They're heck of an athlete, but he issues the ball,
yeah, or just it's.
They're going to take three orfour years to develop.
Well, why not just stay incollege for extra years?
Still get some development?
Of going down to the G League,you're getting the same

(02:02:51):
development you would at the GLeague.
If you're at Duke, unc, you'regetting the same type of
training.
Heck, you might even be gettingbetter training at some of
these colleges than you are inthe G league, right?
Just think.
I think that these kids, young,trying to go into the, the NBA

(02:03:13):
they have to pick somebody,might as well take somebody on
the promising future in four orfive years, right?
Exactly, I don't know.
I just don't understand itanymore.
Yeah, I get it.
Maybe one of these days it'llchange you, I get it.
That's my take on it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
Yeah, no, that's very fair, Like I said, with some
people, people, they can be animmediate impact, but others
really, you know, need time andum, well, the other part about
you know what we say aboutpeople.
I wait for my closing thoughtswith that one.
How close thoughts out withthat one.

(02:03:53):
But uh, do you have I know it'sbeen a while Do you have a
Interesting Stat of fact?

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
I kind of had one and I wasted it earlier, you know,
and to say that Interesting factof the day Was that Young had
his first ever on Invictory posewin a game.
I mean that that was aninteresting fact.

(02:04:29):
That it took until this pastweekend to to get that for the
first time.
It was interesting.
I would have never.
I guess they haven't beensuccessful team, but I never
would have thought that's a statthat is actually.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
Victory kneel-down formations you've taken.

Speaker 1 (02:04:56):
You said 20 games in.
20 play games in 20 careers.

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
That's the first time you ever did in your formation,
wow.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
He is starting, by the way, this weekend.
Okay, all right, against theGiants.

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
All right, all right, you're going to get your young
jersey.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
I thought about, I think, the way the economy is
right now it's gonna hurt yourpockets.
I'd rather go buy a stack ofrocks or something, a box of
Pokemon that actually might beworth something one day.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
Oh my gosh, that's a bag of rocks.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
But after that, in a week or two, it'll be
interesting how that'll go again.
Right, I can't always hate onthem, but I said this from day
him, but I I said this from dayone and I will continue to say
it, and I said it before and Isaid it after the Panthers do
not draft Bryce Young, they do.

(02:06:11):
Yeah, draft him.
You could have had.

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
CJ Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
Taking you to playoffs.
We talked about that?

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Yep, we talked about that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
And I think everybody heard it here first.
They grew up and ESPN wastalking about it after us.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
You know it's been a few things that we've talked
about.
You know, thank goodness I gotthem published because it's time
stamped that we talked aboutand then others talked about it,
like we said that beforeCaitlin Clark came.
Big yeah it was one, I can'tremember what it was someone,

(02:06:57):
Nick Wright was talking about itand and I'm like we were
talking about that Like what.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
They got caught up in a breath of fresh air and you
said you know what?
We're going to take this littlenobody podcast and we're going
to steal everything that theytalked about.

Speaker 1 (02:07:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
Our props and dues are coming one day though.
Day, though, oh yeah, they arethis is the start of something
big.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
Something big for sure, oh man.

Speaker 2 (02:07:25):
So any closing thoughts you know, really sickly
, you know I say this, jasonKelsey, get your essay
exclamation mark T together.

(02:07:47):
You know, broke some poor kid'sphone?
Yeah, I might have, probablycan said something about his bro
.
I feel like that every timethat dude's in public he's
either punched somebody orsomething like buy that man a
new cell phone.
I call brother a bad word, aword we shouldn't say nowadays,

(02:08:11):
but to grab the guy, smash itand say the same thing back to
him.
Get it together.
Yeah, smash it and say the samething back to yeah, it's a fun,
funny world we live in Now.
Closing statements is we're back.
You know I'm excited.
Everything starts over now.

(02:08:36):
You know we we're here to talkabout sports, talk about
politics and all that stuff.
That's the whole.
And for that we're here to talkabout sports, talk about
politics and all that stuff,that's the whole.
And I'm sure that we're here totalk about things that make us
happy and now frustrated attimes, but not in a bad way down
.
But in sports we always can.
You know, sometimes you getback, unless you're the Carolina

(02:08:57):
Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
Or the Dallas Cowboys .
Yep, oh yeah.
And I got some faithful.
I got some friends that arefaithful Cowboy fans, so they're
going to love to hear us talkabout them like that.
But you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:09:16):
Shut to Dak.
You know again, I said itearlier, but hey if I it earlier
, but hey, if I was playing forthe Cowboys and I was faking
injury for at least a coupleweeks too, then I have to be
seen playing on that team.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
Yeah, you know, it's one of those.
You know they don't know what'swrong.
It's one of those injuries.
It's one of those somethingwith my knee.
They can't figure out what itis.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
It's like your car needs blinker fluid Right.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
That's what's wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:09:46):
I don't know why my car won't start, but I ran out
of blinker fluid.
What do you got for us?
What do you got?

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
Closing this out, definitely glad to be back
recording Like it's been.
You know, like I said, we'vebeen, we've been gone for a
minute but we back getting backinto that.
You know this is, I can tellyou, this is the one thing that
that I missed, that I haven'tdone in a little bit, like I I I
I'm grateful for my time beingan educator, but I don't I don't

(02:10:17):
miss being in the classroom.
I'm grateful for my time beingan educator, but I don't I don't
miss being in the classroom.
I'm grateful for my time asbeing a coach.
I don't miss coaching, but Idid miss making these episodes
and recording these things.
So I'm definitely glad to beback with that.
I point this out because peoplegot a tendency to try to say you

(02:10:39):
know, if you haven't lived alife or been a professional
athlete or any of those things,that you can't have certain
conversations or speak oncertain things.
But I'm going to tell you thisstraight, especially with this
being where we are in 2024 inlife, you know, you can, you

(02:10:59):
know, talk about whatever youwant to it.
People can listen or not listen, but you don't have to have
particular experience or, uh,skin in the game to be able to
give your opinions about thingsthat happen in life, and one of
the things we just happen togive our opinions about, which
sometimes turns into facts,sports, you know.

(02:11:22):
With that, once again, I wantto make sure that
congratulations to you and yourwife for what you're going to be
expecting here in the next fewmonths coming.
The next.
Caitlin Clark, bringing a littleperson into the world.
The next Caitlin Clark iscoming soon.
Oh yeah, most definitely so.

(02:11:47):
Oh, I want you to.
I want you to know that my golfswing has improved.
I'm going to tell you whathappened, as I, as I closed this
out, I was watching the TigerWoods clip.
Why don't you watch some TigerWoods clips?
That's what you do, watch TigerWoods clips.
And it was an older clip and hemade this comment that when he

(02:12:09):
used to swing his leg, his backleg did an ole move.
It made him feel like he waslike ole ole because it was just
free and it wasn't strong.
And he was like ole ole becauseit was just free and it wasn't
strong.
And he was like once I groundedmy feet and I just swung, it
was there.
So I went golfing, grounded myfeet, I swung from the tee 250

(02:12:33):
yards.
I said, well, I guess I'm goingto be great, I guess I'm not
going to ole no more again,that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:12:42):
You should have hit it and then, after you hit it,
you should have said ole.

Speaker 1 (02:12:49):
Just for the hell of it right.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
Just for Tiger.

Speaker 1 (02:12:54):
Oh, man, but no, but really it's.
But no, I'm glad to be back inthis, in this medium, with you,
man, looking forward to, butreally it's.
But now, I'm glad to be back inthis, in this medium, with you,
man, looking forward to puttinga lot more out there.
We're going to get back intothe swing of things.
You know we're going to make itwork the best way we can, but
we're going to make sure thatwe're pushing this stuff out to
you all, going to start alsogetting it on YouTube.
I've had some requests that somepeople would like to listen to

(02:13:18):
it through YouTube.
You know, everybody has theirdifferent ways of listening to
podcasts on different platformsand I'm going to try to bring
that stuff to you.
So, just, you all, just staytuned for that.
I know people usually say say,stay tuned for stuff and it
never comes to fruition.
But stay tuned, we're going tobe getting all that stuff up to

(02:13:38):
you.
It's gonna be some big stuff.
So, uh, you know, I want youall to make sure that you're
taking care of each other, makesure you stay safe out in these
streets and until the next timewe'll catch y'all on the flip
side.
You.

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