May 30, 2024 • 37 mins
Join Jared and Ethan Thomas in another inspiring episode of Brother's Creed podcast, as they explore the profound role of vision beyond mere physical ability. Delve into an absorbing conversation that emphasizes the concept of vision as a guiding beacon for life, parenting, and societal contribution. Discover how foresight is integral to anticipating family needs, planning for the unknown, and setting positive changes in motion within society.
Alongside philosophical interpretations, the Thomas Brothers elucidate the role of vision in diverse contexts, such as understanding social cues and situational awareness, highlighting its significance in leadership. Immerse yourself in captivating personal parenting anecdotes that shed light on the anticipatory aspect of vision, preparing for future uncertainties, and fostering creativity. The discussion ends on a high note, recognizing women's intuition as an exemplary display of anticipatory vision in households.
Tune in and garner a unique perspective on vision and its practical application in prevailing life situations. Recognize the importance of creating and realizing visions for all aspects of life. Gather insights on the involvement of family in vision formation and accountability, setting personal values, and creating executable plans. Reflect on thought-provoking quotes and anecdotes teaching the vital role of vision, planning, and execution in leading a gratifying life.
Dig deep into the true meaning of 'Vision' and learn to see beyond the horizon with Jared and Ethan Thomas. This episode encourages you to cultivate your 'vision' skill, expand your knowledge, hone your analytical thinking, and enhance your communication skills. Finally, the hosts inspire you to consistently adapt and stay flexible as your visions evolve over time.
Listen to enlightening discussions that blend the concept of supernatural visions with skepticism. Ponder over examples such as the unfulfilled Mayan calendar prophecy, and understand the role of cognition and precognition in anticipation of future events. Round off with compelling arguments about the significance of establishing a personal creed, fostering unity, and facilitating mutual growth. Tune in now to tap into the transformative power of vision in your life.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of a Brother's Creed podcast where we inspire
fathers to build the blueprint for the next generation.
We are the Brothers Thomas, the Thomas Brothers, and I'm Jared.
And I'm Ethan. And today we're going to be talking about vision.
We're not going to be talking about eyesight.
We're going to be talking about foresight. The red guy from Marvel?
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Yeah, we're going to be talking about vision. You know, why is it important
to have vision in your life?
I think this can go in many different ways.
It can go in ways of, you know, having vision to be able to see the consequences of your actions.
It can be vision as in kind of guiding from maybe a masculine standpoint your
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family to in a certain direction or understanding,
foreseeing needs that your family might have, your wife or your kids.
I think there's a lot that could potentially go into having vision as a man,
as a father, as someone who contributes to society in a positive manner.
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Being able to foresee or have vision is definitely important.
So this is going to be a good one. Let's get into it. Let's do it.
Do not go gentle into that good night. Old age should burn and rave at close of day.
Music.
You should be a monster an absolute monster and then you should learn how to
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control it no retreat no surrender you can't conceive of what i'm capable of.
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So with vision, you mentioned there's lots of different types of vision.
Maybe we can go through and we can talk about the different types.
At least that's how I kind of organized some of my thoughts.
The first type, I think, is just obvious. Vision is just the ability to see, right?
The ability to see things. And I think that there's a lot of meanings beyond that.
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With seeing, and not just plainly seeing with your eyes, but I think that having
vision is, can you see...
Certain situations, the nuances in situations. Can you see threats?
Do you have situational awareness?
Do you see social cues? If you're talking with someone at a business brunch
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and they start folding their arms and stepping away from you and turning their feet away from you,
that might be a clue that they want to leave.
They want to go do something else, and you should probably end your little story that you've got.
I saw this thing it was like this quote and it's like I'm 15 yas,
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6 wows 5 uh-huhs and 10 reallys into this conversation and this guy won't stop talking.
Yeah so it's reading the ability to see social cues that's something that I
think is so important for kids to learn especially.
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And like the perception is critically important.
Some people are just totally unable to do that.
And I think it's such a critical skill, especially in sales,
you know, if you're a salesman and you have the ability to read a room or read
your customer when they furrow their brow.
When you say, you know, when you say something that they might not agree with
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or you talk about a feature that they don't like. Oh, I see.
If you hear about that feature, is that something that concerns you?
Is that an aspect that you're interested in hearing more about?
You know, that seeing that vision is so critical. Having that vision to see those things.
I also said, also having the sense that something is off.
Like being able to sense. Discernment. Yeah. Sometimes like you talk to people
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who are like, you know, they like walk into a grocery store on the wrong side of town.
And they're like, get this really weird vibe. And they're like,
something's not right here.
Almost like that sixth sense. like you're having your
ability to to see that or you're having
the vision to understand that something is not right and i
need to get out of this situation yeah or when
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you're in the middle of the woods and you hear you know someone your own voice
call back to you say hey come over here and you're like hmm this is not good
yeah don't respond to that yeah so that's kind of some of the things i was thinking
about just like seeing and actually like the vision any any similar things things
you would add that are like that, Ethan?
I know you were already trying to talk about that in the intro.
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Yeah, and I think that's definitely a great kind of springboard into what vision is.
Go ahead. No, as you said, I kind of looked into how vision pertains to,
let's call it the context of masculinity.
I mean, I kind of use that word loosely, I guess, because I wouldn't say that
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vision is a purely masculine trait.
But I think it kind of refers to qualities of, you know, we mentioned the word
foresight or I think even having a good vision is a great quality of a leader.
Yeah. The ability to set and pursue long-term goals for yourself. Yeah.
You know, I think it's someone that has vision is usually kind of associated
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with someone who's a provider or protector for those around them.
And i think some of the the things that that why having i would say why do you
think that what i don't know if i've ever thought of it like that like why would
you think that vision would come from the provider or protector and what in
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what way would in what way does vision,
apply to that yeah no i think when you look at it maybe even like from like a stone age perspective
right you you think of
it as you know a a man or
or whatever providing for his family
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you know in in in our day and age i guess that kind of looks a little bit different
than fighting off you know beasts and creatures i guess those beasts and creatures
are people nowadays right but i guess it is someone that has vision to be able to.
To foresee potential threats for their family. And that's what I said.
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It's not just masculine.
I'm just, you know, I think mothers can do this just as much as fathers can,
but being able to perceive potential threats and, uh.
Having the vision to understand that and to be able to react accordingly and
prevent the, that thing from happening,
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you know, maybe it might be you have a, one of your kids that comes home from,
I don't know, a stay at the neighbor's house.
You know, I don't know. We don't, we don't do sleepovers. but if you know they
were over at their friend's house and they your kid got home and they were.
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Well actually let me rephrase that let's
say you went to go drop your kid off at a friend's house to spend the night
but then whenever you're there you're like well i gotta meet their parents right
and so they go and you meet their parents and then you get this feeling you're
just like i don't know i don't know if i want my kids spend the night here so
then you talk to him and say hey i'll I'll come pick you up at,
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you know, midnight or whatever. I'll come pick you up at 10.
You know, something like that is, I think, the role of a protector, provider, right?
To be able to foresee some of those issues whenever your children,
all they see is, I want to play, I want to play, I want to play.
And they get kind of blinders on to what, you know, outside or they don't have
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the experience to understand potential threats.
So that's where I went with the vision. Yeah, I think that the ability to anticipate
what may or may not have come to pass is kind of that vision.
I think it's so, you know, I'm going to talk more about that particular or the
vision, like that is one aspect of vision, right?
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Is the anticipatory of threats, and that's kind of one thing you were talking about is.
Well, if my son is playing soccer in the front yard and that ball goes into
the road and it's 530 or 6 o'clock and these people all the way down the street
rally down the road and they don't care about any kids,
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I'm foreseeing the vision there that something might happen.
So anticipating those threats and I think that's absolutely one way that we
can have vision. And also just like, hey, I have like three months of food storage,
that 25-year shelf life food storage.
I'm trying to have vision in case anticipating something that may come to pass
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or maybe I might need to use that someday.
Hopefully not, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
So I think there's that anticipatory vision that you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think actually, I would actually, I'd say that males
and females have it differently, but I think that they almost have a word for
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it called like mother's intuition, right?
For women, where they have this innate intuition where they'll just like,
oh, my child is doing this.
Or you have countless stories of like a mom saying, no, something's not right.
Or I know something's not, something's off. I need to go check the baby.
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And try to mitigate the disaster. So thankful for that anticipatory vision in the household.
But going on to the next kind of version of vision that you talked about, was that...
That ability to kind of plan for the future, right?
Well, it's not necessarily anticipating threats or what could come to pass,
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but imagining the future with imagination and wisdom.
So that's that next... Yeah, that's that creativity. That's that next part that
you kind of touched on a little bit, but I think this is kind of the more,
I would say, when people talk about vision, this is what they're talking about
most of the time, is this ability to... Your vision board. Exactly.
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Having a vision for your company or for your family or for your podcast or for
your job or for your backyard patio or whatever it is that you're trying to work on.
That is... Or just for your whole life. That is what most people refer to when
they talk about having that vision.
And so I had a couple things that I was going to say on here about how I think
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people can build that vision. But before we dive into that, I wanted to see
if you had anything else to add about this type of vision. Yeah.
We've talked about our experiences on our missions before.
And this is something that I felt for a mission for a church, for a service mission,
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you are really kind of thrust into other people's lives.
You're constantly meeting with people and teaching people and meeting new people.
And so kind of before this time
right when we left when we were 19 it was everything was about me you know right
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high school middle school you know beforehand it's just like everything selfishly
was just about me i only had to worry about me it was just me everything i did
was for me everything i I needed to do was for me.
And so it was all about my life.
But when I went on my mission, it was two years of interacting with other people, teaching,
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about Jesus Christ and serving whenever you could, physically serving many times
from a service opportunity standpoint.
But when I was introduced to so many families and people that tell you their life story,
And they open up and they tell you what they might be struggling with,
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or you kind of get invested into their life.
And I almost felt my vision changing a little bit.
That a lot of times I felt, not that I was some counselor or whatever else,
that wasn't really my job to counsel people.
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But you could kind of see their life. And the mom tells you something,
and the brother tells you something, and the husband tells you something, and then the kids.
And in your mind, you kind of build all of this web of everybody's experiences.
And you're kind of on the outside of it. And I really felt that I was able to kind of step back,
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and you almost get like a 30,000-foot view of, of some of some of these people's lives.
And you kind of, you can see what makes them happy and see what,
you know, their struggles are.
Maybe it's substance abuse or infidelity or, you know, stealing or whatever it might be.
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I mean, those are just some examples of things that, that I ran into and people that I ran into.
And a lot of times when people are in those situations,
situations it's hard for them to see even
what's around the next corner you know versus
how they can overcome those challenges in their life and so you know i wasn't
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able to to save everybody and to make everybody's life perfect but being able
to step back and i kind of see that with my kids right i'm able to step back
and see just from a higher view what's around the next curve for my child,
you know, if they are interested in this or that or the other,
and I can help kind of guide and direct them because I have a little bit more
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vision of the, the, the holistic view of, of what's going on.
And so, I don't know, just kind of an interesting perception that,
that I felt like I, I gained and has stuck with me.
Yeah. I like that.
So talking about that vision that you have for your life, I think it's so important to have a vision.
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In fact, I think if it's okay, I'm going to share my quote right now because
I think it ties in well to this. Yeah.
This one's by Thomas Edison, a well-known guy.
He said, vision without execution is delusion.
So kind of interesting. So I want to talk about that execution and how you can
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create that vision for your life and how you can go about doing that. So it's pretty simple.
First of all, I think you need to decide what it is you value.
We talk about that on a Brother's Creed podcast all the time.
We talk about virtues, we talk about building your creed, talk about your values,
and how you can build that personal creed that you want to live by and that
you want to model to your children and that you can show them those values.
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So build that. Build that with them. If your kids are old enough,
get together with them and say, hey, what do we believe in in the Thomas household?
What are some of our values? What are some of our virtues?
Write them down on a board. Have them in front of them so you can say,
hey, as a reminder, hey, remember that? Remember this? Remember that virtue?
We talked about being honest, right? That's on the board. It was what you just
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did, honest. That's what we're striving for.
So having that creed is so critically important. And then once you do that,
you can decide, okay, I want now to create a vision for different areas of my life.
Now, there's lots of different aspects of your life. There's your family,
your immediate family. There's your extended family.
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There's you personally, your mental health, your physical health, your career.
You could say your job and your intellectual part of yourself,
experiences that you want to have, achievements. Achievements,
you could put that under each one of those mental, physical,
intellectual, and career.
Community aspect of it. What do you want to give back to your community?
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How do you feel about that? Are you serving? And there could be other areas
of your life that you want to mold.
So having those in mind, now think about what you want that vision to be.
And one of the things that's important to do is detail out as much as possible
what you want that vision to be.
Make a vision. I've heard folks say, make a vision for five years and then make
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a vision for 10 years and then just think about what you want your life to be like.
How do you want to feel in your life? How do you want to act?
How do you want to respond to situations?
So one of the things that lots of folks will talk about, and I think I've found
it useful in my life, is be as detailed as possible in what that vision is like.
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So if you're like, oh man, I really, really, really, really want to...
Own a house, you know, one day. Then think about what that's like.
Think about what that process would be.
Think about what it would be like to be in your house.
And as you, you know, some call this the law of attraction, some call this whatever,
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but you're just like putting yourself in that mode, that mindset.
Yeah. And it can attract that. At the very least, you're putting yourself in
that mind state. So be as detailed as possible.
Cover the important, and these have to do with each of the important aspects or goals in your life.
And one of the things, the next things I would say is say out loud what your vision is.
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Maybe tell your spouse, if you have a spouse, absolutely tell your spouse.
You're not going to get very far just going by yourself. They say,
if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.
And certainly that applies even more than anything with your spouse.
Share your visions, share your goals. How are you going to do anything?
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Thing. It's like, hey, I have a vision that we save $50,000 over the next year
so we can do X, Y, and Z investments.
And you don't tell her, then you're pissed off at your wife all the time for
not being on board with the vision you've never told her.
I mean, if you're a real man, then you need to be united with your wife in a
single cause for your relationship, for your kids, for your household.
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And so she needs to be involved with that decision making.
She's just as is an important part of the whole situation as you are.
You can't go at it alone. We can't sit here and say like, oh,
man, kids need, you know, dads are so important. Kids need dads.
And then ignore the importance of a mother. So it's the exact same in a relationship.
So get on the same page as your spouse.
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Or if you don't have a spouse, maybe just tell a friend or say it out loud to
yourself at the very least.
And write it down. Write it down. Exactly. Write it down that you're going to be living that.
That that was actually my next one is write it down what you want to achieve
and the steps to achieve there that goes back to
that quote that if you don't have execution or you don't know
the steps to do it it's just a delusion and then the last one so you at this
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point you've decided what your values are you've decided what aspects of your
life you want to work on you've created a vision you've written down those steps
to achieve it and you've told someone about it so people are on board with you,
the next step, besides executing those things,
is to remind yourself, continually remind yourself of that vision that you have. It's easy to lose it.
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Continually remind yourself, continually say it out loud, continually sit and
think about and feel what it would be like to achieve that.
That's why people talk about vision boards. People talk about,
you know, because they want to have it somewhere where they'll constantly be
reminded of these things.
I've got reminders all over my office here of quotes, of pictures,
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of things that inspire me to do better.
Not to do better, but to be great. I'll just say that. Inspire me to be great
and to be the dad that I want to be.
And so that's how I think one can go about achieving that vision within yourself or within your family.
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And if you also, like I talked about sharing with your spouse, share it with your kids.
You know, bring in your kids or say, hey, kids, you know, this is what we want to do.
We want to go on a big vacation, but it's going to cost us much money.
And how can we do this? Or how can we do that?
Or, you know, maybe we can start a family thing where we can all work together
to help do that. I don't know.
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Just lots and lots of ideas. Get people on board.
I think that's definitely, you know, many hands make light work.
And I think the more people that are aware of a vision or a goal,
it just, if anything, it just creates more accountability for you.
Yeah. And I think that any good CEO worth of salt is a good visionary and is
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able to have that vision for where the company goes.
You don't want to work for a CEO that has no vision.
So think about that for your own family. Do you want to be the dad that doesn't
have any vision about where he wants to take his family?
It's like, hey, what do you want to do? How do you want your family to be?
Where do you want your family to go? It's like, well, I don't know.
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You don't want to be that guy.
Yeah, that's great. Anything you would add to that? Well, I was going to share my quote.
I actually had two quotes again. I'm kind of an overachiever here.
The first quote is from Helen Keller, and it was, the only thing worse than
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being blind is having sight but no vision.
Yeah. So, you know, if you have sight, obviously with your eyeballs,
but you don't have a vision, you don't have a vision in life,
you don't have even just an expectation of what you want or a goal.
Or you're just literally, you know, I don't know, not, you're just kind of existing, I guess. Yeah.
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You know, I think that that's definitely something that.
Yeah. I like that one. Can be, can be, maybe even just disingenuous to those around you. Yeah.
It's a shame. It's a crying shame. Yeah. What's your other one?
So you know i we talked about kind of some of the the different aspects of vision.
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Improving how can you improve your gift of vision is one of the things that
i kind of looked into right some people just don't you know and i'm gonna i'm
gonna use my wife as an example here,
we when we were looking to buy our first house i
think we we we and and i i
share this with her permission i'll say that okay but
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we walked into this house and it's not the one we the one we actually
bought but this was several years ago and we
walked into the house and we had
talked about kind of like the the layout of the house we'd like the layout and
everything but we walked in and she goes oh i can't do this this color she's
like oh this color is just gross and it was like it like ruined the whole house
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for her she's like oh no this is not the one and i'm like,
But you can paint the wall, right? And she just like, she couldn't get past
like, oh, this room. I just hate this color.
This is not the house for us. Yeah. It's like, well, we could paint it whatever color we want.
You know, it's like you got to have the vision of foreseeing.
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She had sight, but she didn't have the vision. Yeah.
Helen Keller would be pissed. Yeah.
You know, and she even says sometimes, right,
whenever we were looking at properties or, you know we're
maybe want to renovate something and we're
like well what if we did this and that and the other and she's like i just have a hard
time envisioning that yeah yeah and so
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you know how and we've even talked about this she knows well
how can we have better vision what can we do and she's
a really good she's really good at graphic design which is kind of interesting
that she she struggles with with vision for
my house but she's really good at graphic design and so she
actually will go in and she'll like design a wall
you know how she on the computer she'll get all
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the measurements everything out let's say she wants to do a picture wall if
she's just standing in front of the picture wall she's like overwhelmed she's
just like what do i do where do i put these pictures i don't know but if she
sits down and she dedicates some time to it and she has the different frames
on the computer she can move them around however she wants and And she can,
you know, so I think just that that's kind of the one first thing is,
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is expand your knowledge. Yeah.
Right. Go above and beyond what you might think you need, you know,
for, for, from her standpoint, you know, maybe get into a graphic design program
or understand that a little bit better would help you to, you know.
Maybe have a better vision when it comes to homes or whatever else.
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Developing strategic thinking from kind of Jared and I, I would say we both
kind of think analytically.
We try to weigh out the options and think kind of critically when we're presented with a situation.
So I think if you try to break it down into its individual parts,
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any types of situations.
Then that's going to help you understand better what it takes to have vision
or to overcome a challenge, if that's what it is, or to achieve your goal.
Goal yeah you know cultivate creativity was
one of them we kind of talked about that improving your communication
skills that's what you talked about sharing that with others tell
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your story tell tell your kids
your story get together with your wife and write your story down
right we've talked about that before share your your
creed share your creed with people have your
your kids contribute to the family creed of
what you how you want to to live
and act building a support network people that
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are you know getting people on the bus that agree and be
be flexible right if
sometimes visions change and sometimes
you need to kind of recalibrate.
A little bit and say you know yeah five
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years ago this was my vision but it's kind
of changed i don't particularly i'm not so
much interested in this or all right this is i see this actually a
different way now so be flexible be willing to change
if you need to be adaptable and
so just a couple a couple extra things i thought were interesting on on developing
your skills of having vision yeah that's good i think the final the final version
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of what a vision is the final like is having a supernatural experience,
or a dream of someone or something.
I would say that these are not too common.
I would say that these can be extremely dangerous.
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I had a new, kind of not a personal, but one person removed from me that had
a really bad experience with this.
I was living in Utah at the time, and I was working at Goldman Sachs,
and there was this gal that sat behind me that we became pretty good friends.
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We just got to talking with a group of people that were just sitting there.
In fact, Shannon and I went out to lunch with her and her husband once or twice,
and they're just good people. And she was telling me that her brother...
His wife was involved with this lady named Julie Moore.
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And the lady was saying that she was having these dreams,
these visions that there was going to be a massive earthquake in Utah and that
everybody was going to have to,
it was going to actually destroy all along the Wasatch Front.
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So from Salt Lake all the way down to Provo or Lehigh, as far south as it goes,
it was just going to destroy everything.
And the area is overdue for an earthquake, but the lady had this vision that
the entire United States of America was going to collapse and the Russians were
going to come and all this crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.
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Stuff and this this gal that
i knew her brother's wife was way way into this
to the point where she was like we need to
leave we can't even be here anymore and she was
like trying and her husband was like no it's
fine like it's okay like we're fine so she
was so believed it so much that like
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she was trying to find ways that she
could separate herself from her husband so she would
one time she called the cops and she said oh my husband is abusing
me and you need to come and stop him so the cops came and he's just like sitting
on the couch watching tv and they come in and like hey we got called from a
domestic disturbance and he's like what and they're like and she's like and
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she comes out she's like i called you guys you know he's been abusing me
or he's been something or he hit the kids or something like that and the cops
come in they kind of sit down. They're like, what's going on here, man?
He's like, my wife is like, she wants to leave Utah because she thinks this
earthquake's going to hit.
And then this guy was telling me that cops started looking around the house and they were like.
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Bubble wrap on everything in the in the living room everything
was bubble wrap there was all the vases and like there was
a couple different pots and plants and they had bubble wrap around
all of it and in the kitchen cabinets she had zip
tied the keep every single kitchen cabinet shut so that
the cabinets wouldn't open up and all the the the you
know dishes that would fall out when the earthquake hit
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and they're like what's going on here man and
what's up with all all this stuff and he's like well
my wife thinks that there's going to be an earthquake
my wife believes that a lady she's friends
with has had a vision that there's going to be an earthquake here and
it's going to absolutely destroy the entire wasatch front and everybody that
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lives in this whole area and so she's earthquake proofed our house to the extreme
i had to cut he has to cut a zip tie to literally get a cup out of the cupboard
and they're like okay the cops were We're like, I think we're done here. And they just left.
So anyway, that whole thing basically destroyed his marriage because this lady
got so attached onto what she thought someone receiving was a vision.
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And I've seen that so many times. I mean, even since like...
Spoiler alert. It didn't happen. There was no earthquake. Yeah,
there was no earthquake.
And just being on YouTube, sometimes I get on these...
Sometimes in the past, I would just find it interesting to see.
I remember in 2012, people were doomsdaying, man. I remember watching this one video.
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The Mayan calendar. Yeah, that was just funny. And there was like a psychic lady.
And she was like, I just can't see past December 31st or December 12th, 2020, 2012.
And I just can't see anything past that. And this is going to be a horrible date.
And then I was like, okay. And then there was this other guy.
And this was like midway through Trump's presidency. He was like,
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this guy was called Pastor Dana Coverstone.
He was like, oh man, I had this vision that the Russians were going to invade
and the United States was going to declare martial law.
I think this was right around COVID. So everybody was like, oh,
and this guy was having these visions that he was claiming.
And so obviously that didn't happen. But it's just like so many people claim
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so many things, especially when it's around supernatural experiences that you
cannot prove either way.
Especially when there's a profit to be made.
Yeah, or especially when there's money on the line, especially when there's money on the line.
Think about that's why they kind of did away with remember
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we talked about the salem witch trials we talked about spectral
spectral evidence in the courtroom where people
said that they saw a vision of a ghost oh the
ghost came back and told me that this lady was a witch and
that was entered in as evidence during the salem witch trials so that's not
evidence you can't use your vision as evidence and so i i think it's a that's
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to say one thing i for you know be to be cautious of evidence of visions and
what people are saying but i think on the other hand i think that sometimes,
people might have a sense of of a vision or or foresight sometimes it might
there might be like a foresight or i do believe that that is that is possible
where people maybe might be able to see something that has happened or maybe
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they have like an intuition that something might happen or.
So i think cognition what uh what
the the precognition movie yeah minority report with the precogs yeah yeah so
i don't i don't know that's another part of a vision that i i didn't want to
omit in this discussion on vision anything you would add to that even no i think it's i think
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for some people it's super powerful i agree
with you in the fact that it can
be dangerous because a lot of times it's probably hard to distinguish that and
your imagination apart sometimes you know i've had some pretty crazy dreams
i i mean i'm not convinced that any of them are going to come to to fruition
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some of them would be cool if it did others i really hope they don't.
But yeah, definitely interesting. Cool.
Well, hey, we've talked about a lot of different varieties of vision today,
but probably the one that hopefully will stick with you the most is one,
to be able to see things how they really are, be able to perceive things.
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And then two, to create that vision for your family, like we discussed in the
bulk of the episode. Yeah, I think that's great.
And having a vision, I will compare that to or almost equate it to having a
personal creed, something that you want to stand by, live by,
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the type of person you want to be.
Your creed is going to help you to achieve your vision.
And so I'm definitely going to, one of the things I took away was to incorporate
other people in my visions and kind of get people involved so that number one,
I can be held accountable,
but number two, we can help each other progress towards our vision.
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So we would encourage you to do that as well.
And as always, let's build that creed together. Let's do it. Thanks.
Music.
Hello and welcome to another episode of a Brother's Creed podcast where we inspire
fathers to build the blueprint for the next generation.
We are the Brothers Thomas, the Thomas Brothers, and I'm Jared.
And I'm Ethan. And today we're going to be talking about vision.
We're not going to be talking about eyesight.
We're going to be talking about foresight. The red guy from Marvel?
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Yeah, we're going to be talking about vision. You know, why is it important
to have vision in your life?
I think this can go in many different ways.
It can go in ways of, you know, having vision to be able to see the consequences of your actions.
It can be vision as in kind of guiding from maybe a masculine standpoint your
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family to in a certain direction or understanding,
foreseeing needs that your family might have, your wife or your kids.
I think there's a lot that could potentially go into having vision as a man,
as a father, as someone who contributes to society in a positive manner.
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Being able to foresee or have vision is definitely important.
So this is going to be a good one. Let's get into it. Let's do it.
Do not go gentle into that good night. Old age should burn and rave at close of day.
Music.
You should be a monster an absolute monster and then you should learn how to
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control it no retreat no surrender you can't conceive of what i'm capable of.
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So with vision, you mentioned there's lots of different types of vision.
Maybe we can go through and we can talk about the different types.
At least that's how I kind of organized some of my thoughts.
The first type, I think, is just obvious. Vision is just the ability to see, right?
The ability to see things. And I think that there's a lot of meanings beyond that.
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With seeing, and not just plainly seeing with your eyes, but I think that having
vision is, can you see...
Certain situations, the nuances in situations. Can you see threats?
Do you have situational awareness?
Do you see social cues? If you're talking with someone at a business brunch
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and they start folding their arms and stepping away from you and turning their feet away from you,
that might be a clue that they want to leave.
They want to go do something else, and you should probably end your little story that you've got.
I saw this thing it was like this quote and it's like I'm 15 yas,
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6 wows 5 uh-huhs and 10 reallys into this conversation and this guy won't stop talking.
Yeah so it's reading the ability to see social cues that's something that I
think is so important for kids to learn especially.
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And like the perception is critically important.
Some people are just totally unable to do that.
And I think it's such a critical skill, especially in sales,
you know, if you're a salesman and you have the ability to read a room or read
your customer when they furrow their brow.
When you say, you know, when you say something that they might not agree with
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or you talk about a feature that they don't like. Oh, I see.
If you hear about that feature, is that something that concerns you?
Is that an aspect that you're interested in hearing more about?
You know, that seeing that vision is so critical. Having that vision to see those things.
I also said, also having the sense that something is off.
Like being able to sense. Discernment. Yeah. Sometimes like you talk to people
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who are like, you know, they like walk into a grocery store on the wrong side of town.
And they're like, get this really weird vibe. And they're like,
something's not right here.
Almost like that sixth sense. like you're having your
ability to to see that or you're having
the vision to understand that something is not right and i
need to get out of this situation yeah or when
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you're in the middle of the woods and you hear you know someone your own voice
call back to you say hey come over here and you're like hmm this is not good
yeah don't respond to that yeah so that's kind of some of the things i was thinking
about just like seeing and actually like the vision any any similar things things
you would add that are like that, Ethan?
I know you were already trying to talk about that in the intro.
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Yeah, and I think that's definitely a great kind of springboard into what vision is.
Go ahead. No, as you said, I kind of looked into how vision pertains to,
let's call it the context of masculinity.
I mean, I kind of use that word loosely, I guess, because I wouldn't say that
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vision is a purely masculine trait.
But I think it kind of refers to qualities of, you know, we mentioned the word
foresight or I think even having a good vision is a great quality of a leader.
Yeah. The ability to set and pursue long-term goals for yourself. Yeah.
You know, I think it's someone that has vision is usually kind of associated
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with someone who's a provider or protector for those around them.
And i think some of the the things that that why having i would say why do you
think that what i don't know if i've ever thought of it like that like why would
you think that vision would come from the provider or protector and what in
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what way would in what way does vision,
apply to that yeah no i think when you look at it maybe even like from like a stone age perspective
right you you think of
it as you know a a man or
or whatever providing for his family
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you know in in in our day and age i guess that kind of looks a little bit different
than fighting off you know beasts and creatures i guess those beasts and creatures
are people nowadays right but i guess it is someone that has vision to be able to.
To foresee potential threats for their family. And that's what I said.
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It's not just masculine.
I'm just, you know, I think mothers can do this just as much as fathers can,
but being able to perceive potential threats and, uh.
Having the vision to understand that and to be able to react accordingly and
prevent the, that thing from happening,
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you know, maybe it might be you have a, one of your kids that comes home from,
I don't know, a stay at the neighbor's house.
You know, I don't know. We don't, we don't do sleepovers. but if you know they
were over at their friend's house and they your kid got home and they were.
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Well actually let me rephrase that let's
say you went to go drop your kid off at a friend's house to spend the night
but then whenever you're there you're like well i gotta meet their parents right
and so they go and you meet their parents and then you get this feeling you're
just like i don't know i don't know if i want my kids spend the night here so
then you talk to him and say hey i'll I'll come pick you up at,
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you know, midnight or whatever. I'll come pick you up at 10.
You know, something like that is, I think, the role of a protector, provider, right?
To be able to foresee some of those issues whenever your children,
all they see is, I want to play, I want to play, I want to play.
And they get kind of blinders on to what, you know, outside or they don't have
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the experience to understand potential threats.
So that's where I went with the vision. Yeah, I think that the ability to anticipate
what may or may not have come to pass is kind of that vision.
I think it's so, you know, I'm going to talk more about that particular or the
vision, like that is one aspect of vision, right?
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Is the anticipatory of threats, and that's kind of one thing you were talking about is.
Well, if my son is playing soccer in the front yard and that ball goes into
the road and it's 530 or 6 o'clock and these people all the way down the street
rally down the road and they don't care about any kids,
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I'm foreseeing the vision there that something might happen.
So anticipating those threats and I think that's absolutely one way that we
can have vision. And also just like, hey, I have like three months of food storage,
that 25-year shelf life food storage.
I'm trying to have vision in case anticipating something that may come to pass
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or maybe I might need to use that someday.
Hopefully not, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
So I think there's that anticipatory vision that you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think actually, I would actually, I'd say that males
and females have it differently, but I think that they almost have a word for
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it called like mother's intuition, right?
For women, where they have this innate intuition where they'll just like,
oh, my child is doing this.
Or you have countless stories of like a mom saying, no, something's not right.
Or I know something's not, something's off. I need to go check the baby.
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And try to mitigate the disaster. So thankful for that anticipatory vision in the household.
But going on to the next kind of version of vision that you talked about, was that...
That ability to kind of plan for the future, right?
Well, it's not necessarily anticipating threats or what could come to pass,
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but imagining the future with imagination and wisdom.
So that's that next... Yeah, that's that creativity. That's that next part that
you kind of touched on a little bit, but I think this is kind of the more,
I would say, when people talk about vision, this is what they're talking about
most of the time, is this ability to... Your vision board. Exactly.
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Having a vision for your company or for your family or for your podcast or for
your job or for your backyard patio or whatever it is that you're trying to work on.
That is... Or just for your whole life. That is what most people refer to when
they talk about having that vision.
And so I had a couple things that I was going to say on here about how I think
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people can build that vision. But before we dive into that, I wanted to see
if you had anything else to add about this type of vision. Yeah.
We've talked about our experiences on our missions before.
And this is something that I felt for a mission for a church, for a service mission,
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you are really kind of thrust into other people's lives.
You're constantly meeting with people and teaching people and meeting new people.
And so kind of before this time
right when we left when we were 19 it was everything was about me you know right
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high school middle school you know beforehand it's just like everything selfishly
was just about me i only had to worry about me it was just me everything i did
was for me everything i I needed to do was for me.
And so it was all about my life.
But when I went on my mission, it was two years of interacting with other people, teaching,
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about Jesus Christ and serving whenever you could, physically serving many times
from a service opportunity standpoint.
But when I was introduced to so many families and people that tell you their life story,
And they open up and they tell you what they might be struggling with,
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or you kind of get invested into their life.
And I almost felt my vision changing a little bit.
That a lot of times I felt, not that I was some counselor or whatever else,
that wasn't really my job to counsel people.
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But you could kind of see their life. And the mom tells you something,
and the brother tells you something, and the husband tells you something, and then the kids.
And in your mind, you kind of build all of this web of everybody's experiences.
And you're kind of on the outside of it. And I really felt that I was able to kind of step back,
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and you almost get like a 30,000-foot view of, of some of some of these people's lives.
And you kind of, you can see what makes them happy and see what,
you know, their struggles are.
Maybe it's substance abuse or infidelity or, you know, stealing or whatever it might be.
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I mean, those are just some examples of things that, that I ran into and people that I ran into.
And a lot of times when people are in those situations,
situations it's hard for them to see even
what's around the next corner you know versus
how they can overcome those challenges in their life and so you know i wasn't
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able to to save everybody and to make everybody's life perfect but being able
to step back and i kind of see that with my kids right i'm able to step back
and see just from a higher view what's around the next curve for my child,
you know, if they are interested in this or that or the other,
and I can help kind of guide and direct them because I have a little bit more
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vision of the, the, the holistic view of, of what's going on.
And so, I don't know, just kind of an interesting perception that,
that I felt like I, I gained and has stuck with me.
Yeah. I like that.
So talking about that vision that you have for your life, I think it's so important to have a vision.
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In fact, I think if it's okay, I'm going to share my quote right now because
I think it ties in well to this. Yeah.
This one's by Thomas Edison, a well-known guy.
He said, vision without execution is delusion.
So kind of interesting. So I want to talk about that execution and how you can
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create that vision for your life and how you can go about doing that. So it's pretty simple.
First of all, I think you need to decide what it is you value.
We talk about that on a Brother's Creed podcast all the time.
We talk about virtues, we talk about building your creed, talk about your values,
and how you can build that personal creed that you want to live by and that
you want to model to your children and that you can show them those values.
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So build that. Build that with them. If your kids are old enough,
get together with them and say, hey, what do we believe in in the Thomas household?
What are some of our values? What are some of our virtues?
Write them down on a board. Have them in front of them so you can say,
hey, as a reminder, hey, remember that? Remember this? Remember that virtue?
We talked about being honest, right? That's on the board. It was what you just
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did, honest. That's what we're striving for.
So having that creed is so critically important. And then once you do that,
you can decide, okay, I want now to create a vision for different areas of my life.
Now, there's lots of different aspects of your life. There's your family,
your immediate family. There's your extended family.
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There's you personally, your mental health, your physical health, your career.
You could say your job and your intellectual part of yourself,
experiences that you want to have, achievements. Achievements,
you could put that under each one of those mental, physical,
intellectual, and career.
Community aspect of it. What do you want to give back to your community?
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How do you feel about that? Are you serving? And there could be other areas
of your life that you want to mold.
So having those in mind, now think about what you want that vision to be.
And one of the things that's important to do is detail out as much as possible
what you want that vision to be.
Make a vision. I've heard folks say, make a vision for five years and then make
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a vision for 10 years and then just think about what you want your life to be like.
How do you want to feel in your life? How do you want to act?
How do you want to respond to situations?
So one of the things that lots of folks will talk about, and I think I've found
it useful in my life, is be as detailed as possible in what that vision is like.
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So if you're like, oh man, I really, really, really, really want to...
Own a house, you know, one day. Then think about what that's like.
Think about what that process would be.
Think about what it would be like to be in your house.
And as you, you know, some call this the law of attraction, some call this whatever,
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but you're just like putting yourself in that mode, that mindset.
Yeah. And it can attract that. At the very least, you're putting yourself in
that mind state. So be as detailed as possible.
Cover the important, and these have to do with each of the important aspects or goals in your life.
And one of the things, the next things I would say is say out loud what your vision is.
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Maybe tell your spouse, if you have a spouse, absolutely tell your spouse.
You're not going to get very far just going by yourself. They say,
if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.
And certainly that applies even more than anything with your spouse.
Share your visions, share your goals. How are you going to do anything?
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Thing. It's like, hey, I have a vision that we save $50,000 over the next year
so we can do X, Y, and Z investments.
And you don't tell her, then you're pissed off at your wife all the time for
not being on board with the vision you've never told her.
I mean, if you're a real man, then you need to be united with your wife in a
single cause for your relationship, for your kids, for your household.
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And so she needs to be involved with that decision making.
She's just as is an important part of the whole situation as you are.
You can't go at it alone. We can't sit here and say like, oh,
man, kids need, you know, dads are so important. Kids need dads.
And then ignore the importance of a mother. So it's the exact same in a relationship.
So get on the same page as your spouse.
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Or if you don't have a spouse, maybe just tell a friend or say it out loud to
yourself at the very least.
And write it down. Write it down. Exactly. Write it down that you're going to be living that.
That that was actually my next one is write it down what you want to achieve
and the steps to achieve there that goes back to
that quote that if you don't have execution or you don't know
the steps to do it it's just a delusion and then the last one so you at this
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point you've decided what your values are you've decided what aspects of your
life you want to work on you've created a vision you've written down those steps
to achieve it and you've told someone about it so people are on board with you,
the next step, besides executing those things,
is to remind yourself, continually remind yourself of that vision that you have. It's easy to lose it.
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Continually remind yourself, continually say it out loud, continually sit and
think about and feel what it would be like to achieve that.
That's why people talk about vision boards. People talk about,
you know, because they want to have it somewhere where they'll constantly be
reminded of these things.
I've got reminders all over my office here of quotes, of pictures,
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of things that inspire me to do better.
Not to do better, but to be great. I'll just say that. Inspire me to be great
and to be the dad that I want to be.
And so that's how I think one can go about achieving that vision within yourself or within your family.
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And if you also, like I talked about sharing with your spouse, share it with your kids.
You know, bring in your kids or say, hey, kids, you know, this is what we want to do.
We want to go on a big vacation, but it's going to cost us much money.
And how can we do this? Or how can we do that?
Or, you know, maybe we can start a family thing where we can all work together
to help do that. I don't know.
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Just lots and lots of ideas. Get people on board.
I think that's definitely, you know, many hands make light work.
And I think the more people that are aware of a vision or a goal,
it just, if anything, it just creates more accountability for you.
Yeah. And I think that any good CEO worth of salt is a good visionary and is
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able to have that vision for where the company goes.
You don't want to work for a CEO that has no vision.
So think about that for your own family. Do you want to be the dad that doesn't
have any vision about where he wants to take his family?
It's like, hey, what do you want to do? How do you want your family to be?
Where do you want your family to go? It's like, well, I don't know.
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You don't want to be that guy.
Yeah, that's great. Anything you would add to that? Well, I was going to share my quote.
I actually had two quotes again. I'm kind of an overachiever here.
The first quote is from Helen Keller, and it was, the only thing worse than
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being blind is having sight but no vision.
Yeah. So, you know, if you have sight, obviously with your eyeballs,
but you don't have a vision, you don't have a vision in life,
you don't have even just an expectation of what you want or a goal.
Or you're just literally, you know, I don't know, not, you're just kind of existing, I guess. Yeah.
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You know, I think that that's definitely something that.
Yeah. I like that one. Can be, can be, maybe even just disingenuous to those around you. Yeah.
It's a shame. It's a crying shame. Yeah. What's your other one?
So you know i we talked about kind of some of the the different aspects of vision.
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Improving how can you improve your gift of vision is one of the things that
i kind of looked into right some people just don't you know and i'm gonna i'm
gonna use my wife as an example here,
we when we were looking to buy our first house i
think we we we and and i i
share this with her permission i'll say that okay but
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we walked into this house and it's not the one we the one we actually
bought but this was several years ago and we
walked into the house and we had
talked about kind of like the the layout of the house we'd like the layout and
everything but we walked in and she goes oh i can't do this this color she's
like oh this color is just gross and it was like it like ruined the whole house
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for her she's like oh no this is not the one and i'm like,
But you can paint the wall, right? And she just like, she couldn't get past
like, oh, this room. I just hate this color.
This is not the house for us. Yeah. It's like, well, we could paint it whatever color we want.
You know, it's like you got to have the vision of foreseeing.
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She had sight, but she didn't have the vision. Yeah.
Helen Keller would be pissed. Yeah.
You know, and she even says sometimes, right,
whenever we were looking at properties or, you know we're
maybe want to renovate something and we're
like well what if we did this and that and the other and she's like i just have a hard
time envisioning that yeah yeah and so
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you know how and we've even talked about this she knows well
how can we have better vision what can we do and she's
a really good she's really good at graphic design which is kind of interesting
that she she struggles with with vision for
my house but she's really good at graphic design and so she
actually will go in and she'll like design a wall
you know how she on the computer she'll get all
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the measurements everything out let's say she wants to do a picture wall if
she's just standing in front of the picture wall she's like overwhelmed she's
just like what do i do where do i put these pictures i don't know but if she
sits down and she dedicates some time to it and she has the different frames
on the computer she can move them around however she wants and And she can,
you know, so I think just that that's kind of the one first thing is,
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is expand your knowledge. Yeah.
Right. Go above and beyond what you might think you need, you know,
for, for, from her standpoint, you know, maybe get into a graphic design program
or understand that a little bit better would help you to, you know.
Maybe have a better vision when it comes to homes or whatever else.
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Developing strategic thinking from kind of Jared and I, I would say we both
kind of think analytically.
We try to weigh out the options and think kind of critically when we're presented with a situation.
So I think if you try to break it down into its individual parts,
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any types of situations.
Then that's going to help you understand better what it takes to have vision
or to overcome a challenge, if that's what it is, or to achieve your goal.
Goal yeah you know cultivate creativity was
one of them we kind of talked about that improving your communication
skills that's what you talked about sharing that with others tell
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your story tell tell your kids
your story get together with your wife and write your story down
right we've talked about that before share your your
creed share your creed with people have your
your kids contribute to the family creed of
what you how you want to to live
and act building a support network people that
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are you know getting people on the bus that agree and be
be flexible right if
sometimes visions change and sometimes
you need to kind of recalibrate.
A little bit and say you know yeah five
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years ago this was my vision but it's kind
of changed i don't particularly i'm not so
much interested in this or all right this is i see this actually a
different way now so be flexible be willing to change
if you need to be adaptable and
so just a couple a couple extra things i thought were interesting on on developing
your skills of having vision yeah that's good i think the final the final version
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of what a vision is the final like is having a supernatural experience,
or a dream of someone or something.
I would say that these are not too common.
I would say that these can be extremely dangerous.
(28:34):
I had a new, kind of not a personal, but one person removed from me that had
a really bad experience with this.
I was living in Utah at the time, and I was working at Goldman Sachs,
and there was this gal that sat behind me that we became pretty good friends.
(28:56):
We just got to talking with a group of people that were just sitting there.
In fact, Shannon and I went out to lunch with her and her husband once or twice,
and they're just good people. And she was telling me that her brother...
His wife was involved with this lady named Julie Moore.
(29:21):
And the lady was saying that she was having these dreams,
these visions that there was going to be a massive earthquake in Utah and that
everybody was going to have to,
it was going to actually destroy all along the Wasatch Front.
(29:44):
So from Salt Lake all the way down to Provo or Lehigh, as far south as it goes,
it was just going to destroy everything.
And the area is overdue for an earthquake, but the lady had this vision that
the entire United States of America was going to collapse and the Russians were
going to come and all this crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.
(30:05):
Stuff and this this gal that
i knew her brother's wife was way way into this
to the point where she was like we need to
leave we can't even be here anymore and she was
like trying and her husband was like no it's
fine like it's okay like we're fine so she
was so believed it so much that like
(30:26):
she was trying to find ways that she
could separate herself from her husband so she would
one time she called the cops and she said oh my husband is abusing
me and you need to come and stop him so the cops came and he's just like sitting
on the couch watching tv and they come in and like hey we got called from a
domestic disturbance and he's like what and they're like and she's like and
(30:49):
she comes out she's like i called you guys you know he's been abusing me
or he's been something or he hit the kids or something like that and the cops
come in they kind of sit down. They're like, what's going on here, man?
He's like, my wife is like, she wants to leave Utah because she thinks this
earthquake's going to hit.
And then this guy was telling me that cops started looking around the house and they were like.
(31:12):
Bubble wrap on everything in the in the living room everything
was bubble wrap there was all the vases and like there was
a couple different pots and plants and they had bubble wrap around
all of it and in the kitchen cabinets she had zip
tied the keep every single kitchen cabinet shut so that
the cabinets wouldn't open up and all the the the you
know dishes that would fall out when the earthquake hit
(31:34):
and they're like what's going on here man and
what's up with all all this stuff and he's like well
my wife thinks that there's going to be an earthquake
my wife believes that a lady she's friends
with has had a vision that there's going to be an earthquake here and
it's going to absolutely destroy the entire wasatch front and everybody that
(31:54):
lives in this whole area and so she's earthquake proofed our house to the extreme
i had to cut he has to cut a zip tie to literally get a cup out of the cupboard
and they're like okay the cops were We're like, I think we're done here. And they just left.
So anyway, that whole thing basically destroyed his marriage because this lady
got so attached onto what she thought someone receiving was a vision.
(32:17):
And I've seen that so many times. I mean, even since like...
Spoiler alert. It didn't happen. There was no earthquake. Yeah,
there was no earthquake.
And just being on YouTube, sometimes I get on these...
Sometimes in the past, I would just find it interesting to see.
I remember in 2012, people were doomsdaying, man. I remember watching this one video.
(32:37):
The Mayan calendar. Yeah, that was just funny. And there was like a psychic lady.
And she was like, I just can't see past December 31st or December 12th, 2020, 2012.
And I just can't see anything past that. And this is going to be a horrible date.
And then I was like, okay. And then there was this other guy.
And this was like midway through Trump's presidency. He was like,
(33:00):
this guy was called Pastor Dana Coverstone.
He was like, oh man, I had this vision that the Russians were going to invade
and the United States was going to declare martial law.
I think this was right around COVID. So everybody was like, oh,
and this guy was having these visions that he was claiming.
And so obviously that didn't happen. But it's just like so many people claim
(33:24):
so many things, especially when it's around supernatural experiences that you
cannot prove either way.
Especially when there's a profit to be made.
Yeah, or especially when there's money on the line, especially when there's money on the line.
Think about that's why they kind of did away with remember
(33:46):
we talked about the salem witch trials we talked about spectral
spectral evidence in the courtroom where people
said that they saw a vision of a ghost oh the
ghost came back and told me that this lady was a witch and
that was entered in as evidence during the salem witch trials so that's not
evidence you can't use your vision as evidence and so i i think it's a that's
(34:09):
to say one thing i for you know be to be cautious of evidence of visions and
what people are saying but i think on the other hand i think that sometimes,
people might have a sense of of a vision or or foresight sometimes it might
there might be like a foresight or i do believe that that is that is possible
where people maybe might be able to see something that has happened or maybe
(34:32):
they have like an intuition that something might happen or.
So i think cognition what uh what
the the precognition movie yeah minority report with the precogs yeah yeah so
i don't i don't know that's another part of a vision that i i didn't want to
omit in this discussion on vision anything you would add to that even no i think it's i think
(34:58):
for some people it's super powerful i agree
with you in the fact that it can
be dangerous because a lot of times it's probably hard to distinguish that and
your imagination apart sometimes you know i've had some pretty crazy dreams
i i mean i'm not convinced that any of them are going to come to to fruition
(35:20):
some of them would be cool if it did others i really hope they don't.
But yeah, definitely interesting. Cool.
Well, hey, we've talked about a lot of different varieties of vision today,
but probably the one that hopefully will stick with you the most is one,
to be able to see things how they really are, be able to perceive things.
(35:40):
And then two, to create that vision for your family, like we discussed in the
bulk of the episode. Yeah, I think that's great.
And having a vision, I will compare that to or almost equate it to having a
personal creed, something that you want to stand by, live by,
(36:00):
the type of person you want to be.
Your creed is going to help you to achieve your vision.
And so I'm definitely going to, one of the things I took away was to incorporate
other people in my visions and kind of get people involved so that number one,
I can be held accountable,
but number two, we can help each other progress towards our vision.
(36:24):
So we would encourage you to do that as well.
And as always, let's build that creed together. Let's do it. Thanks.
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