May 7, 2025 • 32 mins
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Forty years of night shifts taught me one crucial lesson—our bodies were never designed for midnight meals.
As the founder of A Healthy Shift and a former law enforcement officer, I’ve seen firsthand how eating habits can make or break a shift worker’s health. When darkness falls and melatonin kicks in, your body assumes it’s time to rest. Your digestive system slows down, your metabolism shifts into sleep mode—and yet, you're still up handling emergencies, writing reports, or caring for patients.
Every bite you take during those hours forces your body to wake up systems that are naturally winding down, creating a state of metabolic confusion, something most shift workers feel but don’t always understand.
For those currently battling the graveyard shift, I often recommend an overnight fasting approach when possible. Many of my clients who adopt this strategy report:
- Better sleep quality
- Faster recovery between shifts
- Improved overall well-being
Another major factor? Light exposure.
Blue light from phones, overhead lighting, and even car headlights tricks your brain into thinking it’s still daytime. It suppresses melatonin and delays sleep.
By creating a zero-blue light environment before bed, you can dramatically improve sleep quality, not just for yourself, but for your whole household.
Shift work may confuse your body clock, but your health doesn’t have to suffer. With the right tools, habits, and support, you can feel more energized, sleep better, and take control of your health, no matter what time your shift starts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the night shift.
You found another home.
I know you're not alone, rogerSutherland, founder of A Healthy
Shift, veteran law enforcementofficer, top man, 40 years on
the job.
Roger, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good morning to you, Tony.
How are you this?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
morning.
Remember the first car that youdrove as an officer.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Tony, how are you this morning with the first car
that you drove as an officer?
Oh, it would have been an XDpanel van.
Panel van.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, the divisional van.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Okay, so it was definitely a paddy wagon.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So it was a van in those days.
Yeah, it was.
What sort of training do yourecall?
What sort of training?
Was there any training?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh yeah, there was.
Well, we used to have differentclass driving.
There was the C class, whichgot you.
There was the D class, whichallowed you to drive a car.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Just drive it for transport Same license as I
would have had.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Correct.
But you had to go and get yourD class, so you had to learn how
to drive a police vehicle thatway.
And then you would.
That was not for lights andsirens or anything like that,
that was just to drive it.
Then you would get your C class, which was for your divisional
van to drive that, and you wereallowed to drive that in a
(01:18):
lights and sirens situation.
But that also allowed you todrive the car in a lights and
sirens situation.
Then you so an 18-year-old wouldhave 20 years old I was 20.
I was 20, yep, so I could driveat high speed with that because
there was no limitations asthere are now on the cars.
(01:38):
And then I went to what was theTraffic Operations Group or the
Highway Patrol at that time,where I got my B class.
We went up to Puckapunyal wherethey closed the road off and we
just drove like cut cats and infact I saw a police car
disappear off the end of a bendone day.
We were chasing it and it justdisappeared off the end of the
(02:00):
bend and went up the dirt road,which was the safety.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Go on see.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Just a cloud to dust.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And who would have trained them?
Drivers themselves or otherofficers?
The?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
driving school.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Driving school.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I think they still got their own driving
school, but they had their owndriving school which taught
people how to drive.
It was kind of funny becauseyou'd have your drive to work
and then you'd go in the drivingschool cars and we used to push
hard these unmarked cars thatwe'd be driving hard through
traffic and of course therewasn't speed cameras and there
(02:35):
wasn't the scrutiny from thepublic and dash cams and all
those sort of things.
All that was gone.
Well, there wasn't any.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
There was never so the old homicide thing, and you
were there way after the oldhomicide TV show, but it was
very basic, very simple vehicles.
They were pretty much just offthe.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Literally off the assembly line, assembly line and
badged, and they would thenbadge them.
Yeah, that's exactly how it was.
And you may have had a two-way.
Yeah, you had the radio in itwhich was VHF back then too.
So, there, two-way.
Yeah, you had the radio in it,which was VHF back then too.
So there was only six channels.
Jeez, I'm really showing my agenow.
Can you just stop askingquestions like that?
(03:13):
Did you ever meet Leonard Teal?
No, I didn't meet Leonard Teal.
No, did you ever meet FrankBanner?
No, I didn't meet Frank Bannereither.
But yeah, I know exactly whoyou're talking about.
Or what about Tom Cronin?
What was he?
Paul?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Cronin.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Paul Cronin.
He used to call in on Sherl.
He used to talk to Sherl on theradio.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We love Sherl Now, who played the role of Sherl
133693.
Who played the role of Sherl133693.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, Melissa's my Sherl.
She's the one that does thePolish radio.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yep.
So she sits there all daysending out, receiving that
information and then processingsome of that information and
heading it out to you.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yep, what she does is there's a call taker that takes
the job, then it hits herscreen and then she reads it out
, gives it to the police on theroad, takes the result of the
job and the units markthemselves on the way, they mark
themselves out at the eventsand she's monitoring and dealing
with all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Which is a wonderful thing to go, and she's
beautifully spoken, which makesa difference.
I think the other morning wewere talking about those when
you go into a let's just call ita drive-through fast food chain
, yes, and sometimes they go andyou go, excuse me, and you've
got no idea what they're saying.
The pilot on the plane A bit ofboth on the pilot and the
(04:31):
plane's, another one, or some ofthe great on the front of house
staff who are reading stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Flinders Street Station.
That's exactly right, you'vegot no idea what they said why
do they do that?
I have no idea.
And how come their bosses areallowing them to get away with
that?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Apparently it's all part of the protocol and so long
as it's said, it doesn't matterif nobody can understand a word
.
It doesn't seem to matter.
I think it does, but anyway.
I don't know, I would havethought it does we here to talk
about a healthy shift.
Now your good news is and letme just share this with the
audience for those that areshift workers, jump on board and
(05:08):
join us.
133693.
You've been invited as anassociate investigator on a
four-year study of what, who,how, why, when and where.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I've been invited.
It's very humbling After 40years in the co-ops, within 12
months of retiring my passion,I'm actually getting involved in
a research team.
I've been invited by theCentral Queensland University as
part of a research team that'sgoing to be doing a study on
looking at and establishing thehealthiest way for workers to
(05:43):
eat at night for metabolichealth.
Now, I was one of the veryfirst to put out there that we
should be fasting overnight andI've spoken about that, and in
fact, I've got a free e-book onmy website that people can
download to learn why we shouldfast and also how, even as a
worker, we should fast.
Oh, everyone should be fastingovernight, yes, so sorry to
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interrupt you on that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, that's fine Because that's a great story, so
you would suggest that someonelike me, or the zillions of
other people that are workingovernight and listening right
now and you can join us too, bythe way 133693, should not be
overeating, if at all, whilstwe're up working?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, because our circadian rhythm literally shuts
our digestive tract andeverything down from the onset
of melatonin.
So once the dim light occursand we get that dim light,
melatonin onset.
What actually happens is wedon't metabolize and store
nutrients the same way and infact the analogy is it just
screams at us it's gone to sleepand then we start forcing food
(06:49):
into it.
So it has to wake our system upto actually process it.
So the fact that we're awakeand we're eating, we're still
shocking because our system,because that circadian rhythm is
still running on a normaldiurnal circadian rhythm,
because that circadian rhythm isstill running on a normal
diurnal circadian rhythm, really.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So you're saying that if I have a little foosie come
3.30, quarter to four thismorning of some maybe dried
fruit, some apricot and somepear, that's not necessarily a
great?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
thing?
It's not, but you've got tosustain yourself at the same
time as well, and that's why,tony, we've got this research
happening and I've been invited,because they know what I'm like
around this and I can use myplatform.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You should point out that you've been reading and
studying this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh yeah, I want to make a point that I'm an
evidence-based practitioner inwhat I study.
So what I say and what I do isand the researchers there's
professors and doctors, there'seight, nine on this team and I'm
one of the people on the teamwe're going to be using shift
workers to actually and feedingthem different things and seeing
what the impact of that is ontheir system, so that this I can
(07:58):
tell you, tony, this is goingto shape the future of eating on
shift work worldwide.
Shape the future of eating onshift work worldwide.
The Central QueenslandUniversity is a real authority
worldwide on shift work andeating and this study will shape
the way we instruct shiftworkers moving forward.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Is it a surprise you, a university in Queensland, has
jumped on this, where perhapsuniversities here have perhaps
not jumped on board.
No, no, do we?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
read anything into that.
No, no, the Central QueenslandUniversity, I think you'll find,
is where the team is that doesthat.
They're out of Adelaide.
They're not even out ofQueensland.
They're out of Adelaide, whichis interesting because there's a
campus for the CentralQueensland University in
Adelaide.
But Monash are very big oh,that's good Massive.
They're very, very big instudying shift work and sleep
(08:51):
more.
But I follow all of theseresearchers.
So when I was invited to gointo this research and then I
looked at my name on the listamongst the people who I watch
their research to learn allabout shift work, I'm truly
humbled by it and it's reallyexciting.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Look at all these texts.
We were talking about MatlockPolice.
Michelle Forden, I think,played Shirl.
Lots of other people saying itwas Loray Desmond who was Shirl?
Tmac introduction is reallylovely.
Thank you, nursen, appreciatethat.
Tony, I had an ex-police panelvan.
What do they do now?
Do you know what happens to alot of those former cop cars?
(09:31):
Because they used to beavailable, wouldn't they?
They would be sold afterwards.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, they're sold, but thething is they're using the
ranges and the pods come off theback of them.
They got stage where they weretaking the pods off the back.
Sorry, what's a pod?
The pod, which is the cage inthe back of them, oh, the cage.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So they can lift it out and it just returns back to
them.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
We're going to put you into the pod.
Chuck you in the pod.
Yeah well, it was a pod,because it would go from one to
the next, to the next.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, so that would be preserved.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yes, that's right, all right, thank you.
Anyway, have you ever been inone In the back?
Yeah, no, Only putting someonein there.
Well, I could tell you a veryfunny story about that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Go on, please.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I was working with a trainee one day when I was at
Malvern.
I'm taking you back to 1987.
Sorry, 89.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What a very good year .
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I was working with a young trainee and we were
wrestling with an offender thatwe couldn't get into the back
of the van and I actually saidto the I yelled at the offender
in very colourful language willyou get in the back of the van?
Or words to that effect orwords to that effect.
And the next minute I hear thisvoice.
(10:39):
What do you want me to do now?
And I looked and the traineewas in the back of the van,
looking at the back of the van.
I kid you not, he was the onethat jumped in the back of the
van and said what do you want meto do now?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So just a young, young, connie.
Do you want to say hello toCaptain Elfie at Paul Arlington?
Hello Captain.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I need greetings, tony.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Morning.
Do you know Roger Roger's herewith us as well.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Is Roger in the aviation business.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
No, not yet, not yet.
But if all the other projectsgo pear-shaped, it's a
possibility.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
That's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I was just going to say that every time you went
into, I mean, I guess thethrowaway thing is someone
controls you and then, like aMelbourne Sydney flight, you
know, and you had to hold, andthen you get into Sydney and
(11:42):
look everything's up, it mighthave changed now.
I've been retired for eightyears.
Yes, yeah.
Anyway, how's this?
And we all heard this taxingout holding, taxing out holding
and American Airlines throughthe departure pregnancy.
(12:07):
Yeah, thanks very much.
This captain has his lastflight and we'd like to say to
you that you are the second bestair traffic controller.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Oh, nice compliment.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Second best.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, second best.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Second best, he said.
And then obviously some guy inthe tower or something said
who's the best, he said?
The rest of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, good on you, captain, Well done.
Very, very funny, roger.
You sound very much likesomebody by the name of Litwin
from Men's Talk.
What does that mean?
Oh, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
No Litwin from Men's Talk.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Litwin from Men's Talk.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Paul Litwin from Men's Talk.
Yeah, you'll have to let usknow, I You'll have to let us
know text ending in 223.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
We'll do this when we come back.
Plenty of time for your calls.
133693.
Roger Sutherland is here.
He coaches people that you knowessentially work, shift work.
If you are a shift worker, we'dlove to hear from you.
133693 for Australia Overnight.
Hello to you.
Good morning wherever you areright around Australia.
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Certainly not even morning airyet in WA, but you can join us
as well on your normal talkbacknumber.
To come straight through to theprogram, be part of it 133 882,
.
Love you to join us whereveryou are.
As Donnie did earlier, fired upabout the election coming up on
the weekend.
Gav's in Portland.
Morning Gavin.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Morning mate, you were talking about eating at
night and that Well, I'm a truckdriver and we drive at night
and we eat all the bloody time.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I totally understand that, but what we're
doing is we're looking at whatwe're going to be doing over the
next four years is researchingwhat is optimal, because it is
not optimal for you to be eatingovernight.
Regardless whether you're atruck driver, a normal human
being, regardless of what youare, it's less than optimal to
be eating which is why a lot oftruck drivers carry a lot of
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weight.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh well, I'm not.
I'm only 85 kilos.
I'm a small truck driver, but Ieat like a horse.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, oh, good for you what sort of food out of
interest.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
what would you eat overnight?
Pies, steak sandwiches, saladsandwiches I eat pies.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
How unusual I eat pies steak sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And chocolate milk.
A Big M's yeah into the icedcoffees.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, you'd be one of those people that's just we all
hate, because you can eatanything and it doesn't impact
on you.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
But it will catch up with you, and I have healthy
food as well.
Yeah, good for you.
90% of the time it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All food's healthy.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I eat coffee, fries and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Remember, all food's healthy.
It's the quantity that is theproblem.
So everything in moderation.
But I think the most importantis to be aware, because it is
not helping your system in anyway whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And I understand you're awake and you need to
fuel yourself, but it's aboutwhat we do and this is what
we're going to look at with theresearch as to what is the
optimal way to fuel yourselfovernight, the night.
Could you imagine Gav doing adrive, working overnight and
maybe not eating from, let's say, 11pm through until five or six
the next morning?
(15:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Oh no, no, you couldn't do it.
I'd do that.
You've got to have something inthe belly.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, it's an interesting one.
All of my clients, I help themwith the fast and we structure
the fast a particular way andthey come out of the night shift
.
They sleep better, they comeout of the night shift a lot
quicker and feeling a lot better.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I agree with that.
The other night I had a awfulbreakfast.
I had a roast and hit the bedand slept like anything.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And you did or you didn't, sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I did I slept like anything.
The midges reckoned.
I was snoring my head off.
Beautiful I did.
I slept like anything.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The mist was as big as I was snoring my head off
Beautiful.
Love that for you I really do,but you're the sort of person
that everybody hates.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm sorry about that, but you're so blessed to be in
that position.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, good on you, Gav.
Keep in touch.
Good to have you on the program, Tony.
I was a flight attendant withQantas and flew with the great
Captain Elfie.
Thought you may have beenNathan Koch.
Ah, yes, we do talk aboutaviation, so forgive, if you
will.
Of course, Captain, it's notNathan.
Nathan Koch.
(16:27):
We're actually talking aboutshift workers as opposed to vets
and jets.
Nathan, as you know, is acaptain, qantas captain, so they
would know each other no doubt.
If you would like to join theprogram 133693, plenty of room
on the board, you'll get throughstraight away.
Particularly for shift workers,those that have been doing
shift work for a long time, loveyou long time or have a
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sustained professional lifeworking overnight I often feel
for, say, those that deliverbabies.
So the great Mr Mays inBallarat, no longer with us, he
delivered daughter number oneand daughter number two in
Ballarat.
Yep, mr Mays was anextraordinary human being on
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many levels, but he would.
He came into.
My recollection is he came intothe hospital at about 10.30 and
he arrived in a black dinnersuit.
Come straight from dinner.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, he'd been at a function or a ball from my
memory.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And then he said look , baby's definitely on the way.
Talking about Jamie, and hesaid Jamie will arrive around
about three past two, no thataccurately.
That accurately.
Yeah, so he then leaves, goeshome and probably had a rest and
a shower, whatever he did, andwaltzes in at five to two yeah,
(17:48):
a baby is delivered at threepast two.
No, how extraordinary is that?
That is incredible, and therewould be hundreds of those sort
of men and women right acrossAustralia that are on call to
deliver babies at that time ofthe morning and there'd be many
people listening who deliveredbabies during the overnight
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133693.
How amazing is that process.
And what do you do about eatingin that situation?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Now I have clients come to me that we have big
problems with that and the issueis that's circadian disruption.
You're on call so you can'tplan to eat at a particular time
because you might go to bed,get up and all of a sudden
you're at the vending machine ata hospital, like you said, with
a doctor that's doing thingslike that, and what I advise is
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to have these ready-made snackson hand high-protein snacks,
like protein bars or proteinshakes and things like that.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But that's processed though, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Protein bars.
We've got to be getting thatprotein in.
It is processed.
Let's not have the process.
It's about moderation.
It's about getting something ininstead.
It is processed, let's not havethe process.
It's about moderation.
It's about getting something ininstead of having nothing.
Obviously, we don't functionproperly with nothing but fruit,
even fruit and a handful ofnuts.
I'll see you with your fruitsand nuts.
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Absolutely perfect on nightshift.
Some hummus and some crackersis really good to have.
You can buy those packs now.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I can't be sitting here at two o'clock in the
morning talking to people eatinghummus, because then I'd go.
If we're going to do that, I'dlike to have a beverage with it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, of course.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Cheeky little.
I don't know cheeky littleMargaret River shardy or a
little sparkling, maybe from theYarra Valley.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, I know that would be elegant and a platter,
with some cold cuts on it andeverything else.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh gee, I miss those days.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, well, the thing is we have these people that are
getting up in the middle of thenight all the time, that are
running off to on-call people.
We have doctors and nurses.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Well, that was my point about those that deliver
babies.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yep, but nurses we have.
Well, that was my point aboutthose that deliver babies Yep,
but we've got a lot of policethat are on call as well, that
are getting turned out in themiddle of the night.
Paramedics get ramped stuck atplaces away from there A lot of
our paramedic friends we don'trealise they get a structured
break into their shift, butthat's all well and good when
you can get back to your branch.
But the majority of theparamedics are stuck ramped at
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hospitals, particularly herethese days, and they can be for
extended periods of time with nooptions of what to eat.
So I guide them around that andin fact, I've produced an ebook
, um, which is free for, uh,people like that to download,
and it's called Snacks and it'snon-perishable snacks that you
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can keep in your locker or yourkit bag.
And people can go to myInstagram, which is at a
underscore healthy underscoreshift.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
All the details are there.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And they can just hit the word snacks on anything.
If you put the word snacks andit will send you a link to
download that and it is a freeresource.
Tony McAnrodger.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I find grandchildren get to sleep.
This is really good.
Have a listen to this.
Yeah, I love it.
I find grandchildren get tosleep so much later now.
They used to go to sleep at7.30, and now it can be closer
to, sometimes 10 and 11 pm.
That is so late.
They're in their bed but can'tsleep.
Try as hard as they can.
(21:25):
Took them to the park for anhour today, had a shower.
Still just went to bed a whileago At ages six and eight.
Surely that's not enough sleepfor the little tackers.
What can we?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
do.
It's not enough sleep for thelittle tackers, and I'm going to
give my friend and colleague areally big plug here, which is
Dr Olivia Walsh we're going toget onto the show in two weeks'
time who works out of theUniversity of Minnesota.
She's just written her bookcalled Sleep Groove.
She has her children her childsleeping from 6.30 pm to 6.30 am
(22:04):
.
She's a circadian biologist.
She studies light and how itinteracts with the body.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
There will be mothers listening now right across
Australia, thinking you'rebeauty.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, olivia is amazing with the way she's.
I've interviewed her twice onthe podcast and she's actually a
mathematician, but she'sbranched into circadian because
it's all very rhythmic, it's alllinked in.
Now, in answer to this text notenough daylight, blue light
exposure during the day to thesechildren, and then blue light
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exposure after dark is disrupted.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
What does that mean?
People have no idea necessarilywhat you're talking about when
you talk about blue lightexposure.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Any white light is blue light.
We need light outside.
We need that.
The sky is that colour blue fora reason and our eye sees that,
but it's hard to explainwithout a visual presentation.
But the thing is in thespectrum of light that we see is
blue.
(23:00):
In the spectrum of light thatwe see is blue and the eye has a
sensor that actually registersthat blue.
If it sees it, it thinks it'sdaytime, so it suppresses
melatonin and it doesn't allowour body to go to sleep, and
this is what these kids aresuffering from.
So we need to get up and getoutside and get that light
outside so that we're gettingthat correct spectrum of blue in
(23:23):
our eyes during the day, but atnight we need to take that blue
out for the very reason that itis keeping us awake.
And this is why children now,because of screens, because of
TV after dark, we need to go tozero blue lighting in all
workplaces so that we are notdisrupting these circadian
(23:45):
rhythms.
My house at night is zero blue.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Your call is the other side 133693.
Keep the text.
We'll get to those in just atick as well.
0477-693-693.
There's a ripper there too.
6976.
We'll come to you shortly forAustralia Overnight, roger
Sutherland.
I'm Tony McManus.
Hello to you.
For those that have just joinedus right across Australia via
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6PR in Perth, 5aa in Adelaide,the good people at 3OW right
here in Melbourne where we are,roger.
Thank you to each and every one.
There's so many texts, leaf.
Where's that text from Leafthat called through earlier?
I'm going to call you out onthat.
He was singing a tune.
Leaf is the host of thenighttime program on 5AA and he
(24:30):
says sing it with me.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Tone, you're going home in the back of a dizzy van
See now you are clearly showingthat you have no idea what this
song is.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
When I saw it from Leif.
I'm thinking I don't know whathe's talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You actually spoke it .
And I then said and allVictorians that are listening to
this now, all together, nowyou're going home in the back of
a divvy van.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He's a South Australian, so it's not just
Victorian.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, he's aware of it.
It's the song that's sung.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You're going home in the back of a divvy van A divvy
van Divvy van he's got dizzy vanthere, Okay divvy van it's
supposed to be divvy, all right.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yep, that's what it is Clap, clap clap and
Victorians will be disappointedthat you're not aware of that.
And I said to you off air, haveyou never or near it?
Because this is all we hear forthe Boxing Day Test Every time
a policeman.
You're going home in a divvyvan.
You're going home in the no.
What happens is, you know how,when you go to the cricket or
(25:28):
you go to a Boxing Day, match.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Are we on air?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I hope so, gee God, when you go to the Boxing Day
Test and the police come downand escort someone from.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh, I see, so it's like a chant.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's a chant that they sing.
You're going home in the backof a divvy van.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
David in Mount Waverley.
Hello, dave Says Tony and Roger, lighting requirements.
What are they?
Blue light at night what arethose requirements if you want
to buy something?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's very simple no blue light after dark.
Okay, so if you go to mywebsite, ahealthyshiftcom, or to
all there and you can go torecommended products and there
are zero blue lights there froma company called Block Blue
Light there is also they'reprobably the leading one and I
just think it's really importantthat we get these zero blue
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lights into homes once the sun'sgone down.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Is that still relevant?
Yes, according to Maggie.
Is it Maggie who says thatApple a day?
Where did we see that one?
No, that's from John, who saysapple a day keeps the doctor
away.
I eat one large Bravo apple aday and they're delicious, very
good.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Apple a day, and it's still a thing I Very good, and
it's still a thing I reckonthere was a dear old childcare.
Remember we had childcarecentres no, you wouldn't
remember Childcare centres thatmums and some dads would take
baby to, and they werepresumably supported by local
councils.
There was a sister on HighStreet, just around the corner
(26:57):
from where we lived on BellaVista Road, called Sister
Feltham, and in that littleoffice that she had there were
signs all over the place.
I remember it as a kid an applea day will keep the doctor away
and you know, like everything,you hear it over and over and
over and I think there is stillsome truth in that.
So I should have some fruithere, is that okay?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, absolutely Fresh fruit Fruit overnight is
ideal, and Absolutely Freshfruit Fruit overnight is ideal.
And the one thing that we'vegot to stop in life is we've got
to stop demonising fruit forthe sugar that's in it, because
it's different.
And the most important thing is, you never, ever, looked at
someone overweight walking downthe street and went they've just
eaten far too much fruit.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Every game of cricket ever says Leithy.
He's just texting back.
Why don't we take this one?
Oh, the police radio operator.
It's funny how people jump onboard.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
These are the police operators, and it's all
different names.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I know Another one here named Sherlon Matlock
Police was played by MargaretChristensen, a popular radio
personality actress.
That's from Helen in Doncaster,yeah, but Google tells me
differently, somebody different.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Shirley Ann Keir.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's the one that I've got Shirley.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Ann Keir, shirley Ann Keir.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Was that the name of the character or was that the
name of the person playing thecharacter, Shirley?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
On Australian TV series Matlock Police.
The character Sherl was playedby Shirley Ann Keir, so her real
name is as Judy Brown.
As Judy Brown, it doesn't makesense, does?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No, it doesn't Another actress named Shirley
Smith played the character ofBetty Barker in the same series.
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't know.
It's all over the show.
Let's give up.
I love Roger here who saysthank you, roger.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
David, yeah, thank you, roger.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Thank you, roger.
David, we'll do this.
Comeback in just a moment forAustralia Overnight G'day blokes
.
I'm friends with US Veterans ofMotorcycle Club and I was over
in Ohio Clubhouse recently.
We were outside the club andthe guy next door was getting
arrested and I started singing.
Every one of the club crappedup laughing at me.
That was that song.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Hadn't heard it.
It was a song by the Paintersand Dockers that was released.
You're Going Home in the Backof a Divvy Van.
Let's see if challenge Paintersand Dockers, you're Going Home
in the Back of a Divvy Van.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
We've got about 30 seconds to find it, because
we've got the news.
We might do it afterwards.
Come out, come out.
Thank you for coming in.
The best way to do it is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
To go to the website ahealthyshiftcom or Instagram.
A underscore healthy,underscore shift.
I look forward to seeing youthere.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And have a listen to the podcast, because some of
those people to whom you speakare indeed fascinating.
Would it kill you to invitethem onto the program?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What do you mean?
People listening?
I'll have anyone, if anyonewants to reach out.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But you've got them on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Why don't you ask them to come on this program?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'm going to.
I'll get people onto thepodcast.
I failed in bringing a guestonto the show this week, which
I'm going to bring next twoweeks.
You've had two weeks.
I know Two weeks and one job.
One job, john, I'm sorry, I'llsee you next time.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's nice to see you, roger.
Have a look at it.
It's simply called all one wordahealthyshiftcom and Instagram
at a underscore healthyunderscore shift.
The music quiz AustraliaOvernight Music Quiz is next.
On the night shift.
You found another home.
I know you're not alone, rogerSutherland, founder of A Healthy
Shift, veteran law enforcementofficer, top man, 40 years on
the job.
Roger, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good morning to you, Tony.
How are you this?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
morning.
Remember the first car that youdrove as an officer.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Tony, how are you this morning with the first car
that you drove as an officer?
Oh, it would have been an XDpanel van.
Panel van.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, the divisional van.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Okay, so it was definitely a paddy wagon.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So it was a van in those days.
Yeah, it was.
What sort of training do yourecall?
What sort of training?
Was there any training?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh yeah, there was.
Well, we used to have differentclass driving.
There was the C class, whichgot you.
There was the D class, whichallowed you to drive a car.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Just drive it for transport Same license as I
would have had.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Correct.
But you had to go and get yourD class, so you had to learn how
to drive a police vehicle thatway.
And then you would.
That was not for lights andsirens or anything like that,
that was just to drive it.
Then you would get your C class, which was for your divisional
van to drive that, and you wereallowed to drive that in a
(01:18):
lights and sirens situation.
But that also allowed you todrive the car in a lights and
sirens situation.
Then you so an 18-year-old wouldhave 20 years old I was 20.
I was 20, yep, so I could driveat high speed with that because
there was no limitations asthere are now on the cars.
(01:38):
And then I went to what was theTraffic Operations Group or the
Highway Patrol at that time,where I got my B class.
We went up to Puckapunyal wherethey closed the road off and we
just drove like cut cats and infact I saw a police car
disappear off the end of a bendone day.
We were chasing it and it justdisappeared off the end of the
(02:00):
bend and went up the dirt road,which was the safety.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Go on see.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Just a cloud to dust.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And who would have trained them?
Drivers themselves or otherofficers?
The?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
driving school.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Driving school.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I think they still got their own driving
school, but they had their owndriving school which taught
people how to drive.
It was kind of funny becauseyou'd have your drive to work
and then you'd go in the drivingschool cars and we used to push
hard these unmarked cars thatwe'd be driving hard through
traffic and of course therewasn't speed cameras and there
(02:35):
wasn't the scrutiny from thepublic and dash cams and all
those sort of things.
All that was gone.
Well, there wasn't any.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
There was never so the old homicide thing, and you
were there way after the oldhomicide TV show, but it was
very basic, very simple vehicles.
They were pretty much just offthe.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Literally off the assembly line, assembly line and
badged, and they would thenbadge them.
Yeah, that's exactly how it was.
And you may have had a two-way.
Yeah, you had the radio in itwhich was VHF back then too.
So, there, two-way.
Yeah, you had the radio in it,which was VHF back then too.
So there was only six channels.
Jeez, I'm really showing my agenow.
Can you just stop askingquestions like that?
(03:13):
Did you ever meet Leonard Teal?
No, I didn't meet Leonard Teal.
No, did you ever meet FrankBanner?
No, I didn't meet Frank Bannereither.
But yeah, I know exactly whoyou're talking about.
Or what about Tom Cronin?
What was he?
Paul?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Cronin.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Paul Cronin.
He used to call in on Sherl.
He used to talk to Sherl on theradio.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We love Sherl Now, who played the role of Sherl
133693.
Who played the role of Sherl133693.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, Melissa's my Sherl.
She's the one that does thePolish radio.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yep.
So she sits there all daysending out, receiving that
information and then processingsome of that information and
heading it out to you.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yep, what she does is there's a call taker that takes
the job, then it hits herscreen and then she reads it out
, gives it to the police on theroad, takes the result of the
job and the units markthemselves on the way, they mark
themselves out at the eventsand she's monitoring and dealing
with all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Which is a wonderful thing to go, and she's
beautifully spoken, which makesa difference.
I think the other morning wewere talking about those when
you go into a let's just call ita drive-through fast food chain
, yes, and sometimes they go andyou go, excuse me, and you've
got no idea what they're saying.
The pilot on the plane A bit ofboth on the pilot and the
(04:31):
plane's, another one, or some ofthe great on the front of house
staff who are reading stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Flinders Street Station.
That's exactly right, you'vegot no idea what they said why
do they do that?
I have no idea.
And how come their bosses areallowing them to get away with
that?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Apparently it's all part of the protocol and so long
as it's said, it doesn't matterif nobody can understand a word
.
It doesn't seem to matter.
I think it does, but anyway.
I don't know, I would havethought it does we here to talk
about a healthy shift.
Now your good news is and letme just share this with the
audience for those that areshift workers, jump on board and
(05:08):
join us.
133693.
You've been invited as anassociate investigator on a
four-year study of what, who,how, why, when and where.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I've been invited.
It's very humbling After 40years in the co-ops, within 12
months of retiring my passion,I'm actually getting involved in
a research team.
I've been invited by theCentral Queensland University as
part of a research team that'sgoing to be doing a study on
looking at and establishing thehealthiest way for workers to
(05:43):
eat at night for metabolichealth.
Now, I was one of the veryfirst to put out there that we
should be fasting overnight andI've spoken about that, and in
fact, I've got a free e-book onmy website that people can
download to learn why we shouldfast and also how, even as a
worker, we should fast.
Oh, everyone should be fastingovernight, yes, so sorry to
(06:07):
interrupt you on that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, that's fine Because that's a great story, so
you would suggest that someonelike me, or the zillions of
other people that are workingovernight and listening right
now and you can join us too, bythe way 133693, should not be
overeating, if at all, whilstwe're up working?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, because our circadian rhythm literally shuts
our digestive tract andeverything down from the onset
of melatonin.
So once the dim light occursand we get that dim light,
melatonin onset.
What actually happens is wedon't metabolize and store
nutrients the same way and infact the analogy is it just
screams at us it's gone to sleepand then we start forcing food
(06:49):
into it.
So it has to wake our system upto actually process it.
So the fact that we're awakeand we're eating, we're still
shocking because our system,because that circadian rhythm is
still running on a normaldiurnal circadian rhythm,
because that circadian rhythm isstill running on a normal
diurnal circadian rhythm, really.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So you're saying that if I have a little foosie come
3.30, quarter to four thismorning of some maybe dried
fruit, some apricot and somepear, that's not necessarily a
great?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
thing?
It's not, but you've got tosustain yourself at the same
time as well, and that's why,tony, we've got this research
happening and I've been invited,because they know what I'm like
around this and I can use myplatform.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You should point out that you've been reading and
studying this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Oh yeah, I want to make a point that I'm an
evidence-based practitioner inwhat I study.
So what I say and what I do isand the researchers there's
professors and doctors, there'seight, nine on this team and I'm
one of the people on the teamwe're going to be using shift
workers to actually and feedingthem different things and seeing
what the impact of that is ontheir system, so that this I can
(07:58):
tell you, tony, this is goingto shape the future of eating on
shift work worldwide.
Shape the future of eating onshift work worldwide.
The Central QueenslandUniversity is a real authority
worldwide on shift work andeating and this study will shape
the way we instruct shiftworkers moving forward.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Is it a surprise you, a university in Queensland, has
jumped on this, where perhapsuniversities here have perhaps
not jumped on board.
No, no, do we?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
read anything into that.
No, no, the Central QueenslandUniversity, I think you'll find,
is where the team is that doesthat.
They're out of Adelaide.
They're not even out ofQueensland.
They're out of Adelaide, whichis interesting because there's a
campus for the CentralQueensland University in
Adelaide.
But Monash are very big oh,that's good Massive.
They're very, very big instudying shift work and sleep
(08:51):
more.
But I follow all of theseresearchers.
So when I was invited to gointo this research and then I
looked at my name on the listamongst the people who I watch
their research to learn allabout shift work, I'm truly
humbled by it and it's reallyexciting.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Look at all these texts.
We were talking about MatlockPolice.
Michelle Forden, I think,played Shirl.
Lots of other people saying itwas Loray Desmond who was Shirl?
Tmac introduction is reallylovely.
Thank you, nursen, appreciatethat.
Tony, I had an ex-police panelvan.
What do they do now?
Do you know what happens to alot of those former cop cars?
(09:31):
Because they used to beavailable, wouldn't they?
They would be sold afterwards.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, they're sold, but thething is they're using the
ranges and the pods come off theback of them.
They got stage where they weretaking the pods off the back.
Sorry, what's a pod?
The pod, which is the cage inthe back of them, oh, the cage.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So they can lift it out and it just returns back to
them.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
We're going to put you into the pod.
Chuck you in the pod.
Yeah well, it was a pod,because it would go from one to
the next, to the next.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, so that would be preserved.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yes, that's right, all right, thank you.
Anyway, have you ever been inone In the back?
Yeah, no, Only putting someonein there.
Well, I could tell you a veryfunny story about that.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Go on, please.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I was working with a trainee one day when I was at
Malvern.
I'm taking you back to 1987.
Sorry, 89.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What a very good year .
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I was working with a young trainee and we were
wrestling with an offender thatwe couldn't get into the back
of the van and I actually saidto the I yelled at the offender
in very colourful language willyou get in the back of the van?
Or words to that effect orwords to that effect.
And the next minute I hear thisvoice.
(10:39):
What do you want me to do now?
And I looked and the traineewas in the back of the van,
looking at the back of the van.
I kid you not, he was the onethat jumped in the back of the
van and said what do you want meto do now?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So just a young, young, connie.
Do you want to say hello toCaptain Elfie at Paul Arlington?
Hello Captain.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I need greetings, tony.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Morning.
Do you know Roger Roger's herewith us as well.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Is Roger in the aviation business.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
No, not yet, not yet.
But if all the other projectsgo pear-shaped, it's a
possibility.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
That's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I was just going to say that every time you went
into, I mean, I guess thethrowaway thing is someone
controls you and then, like aMelbourne Sydney flight, you
know, and you had to hold, andthen you get into Sydney and
(11:42):
look everything's up, it mighthave changed now.
I've been retired for eightyears.
Yes, yeah.
Anyway, how's this?
And we all heard this taxingout holding, taxing out holding
and American Airlines throughthe departure pregnancy.
(12:07):
Yeah, thanks very much.
This captain has his lastflight and we'd like to say to
you that you are the second bestair traffic controller.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Oh, nice compliment.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Second best.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, second best.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Second best, he said.
And then obviously some guy inthe tower or something said
who's the best, he said?
The rest of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, good on you, captain, Well done.
Very, very funny, roger.
You sound very much likesomebody by the name of Litwin
from Men's Talk.
What does that mean?
Oh, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
No Litwin from Men's Talk.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Litwin from Men's Talk.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Paul Litwin from Men's Talk.
Yeah, you'll have to let usknow, I You'll have to let us
know text ending in 223.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
We'll do this when we come back.
Plenty of time for your calls.
133693.
Roger Sutherland is here.
He coaches people that you knowessentially work, shift work.
If you are a shift worker, we'dlove to hear from you.
133693 for Australia Overnight.
Hello to you.
Good morning wherever you areright around Australia.
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Certainly not even morning airyet in WA, but you can join us
as well on your normal talkbacknumber.
To come straight through to theprogram, be part of it 133 882,
.
Love you to join us whereveryou are.
As Donnie did earlier, fired upabout the election coming up on
the weekend.
Gav's in Portland.
Morning Gavin.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Morning mate, you were talking about eating at
night and that Well, I'm a truckdriver and we drive at night
and we eat all the bloody time.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I totally understand that, but what we're
doing is we're looking at whatwe're going to be doing over the
next four years is researchingwhat is optimal, because it is
not optimal for you to be eatingovernight.
Regardless whether you're atruck driver, a normal human
being, regardless of what youare, it's less than optimal to
be eating which is why a lot oftruck drivers carry a lot of
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weight.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh well, I'm not.
I'm only 85 kilos.
I'm a small truck driver, but Ieat like a horse.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, oh, good for you what sort of food out of
interest.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
what would you eat overnight?
Pies, steak sandwiches, saladsandwiches I eat pies.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
How unusual I eat pies steak sandwiches.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And chocolate milk.
A Big M's yeah into the icedcoffees.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, you'd be one of those people that's just we all
hate, because you can eatanything and it doesn't impact
on you.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
But it will catch up with you, and I have healthy
food as well.
Yeah, good for you.
90% of the time it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All food's healthy.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
I eat coffee, fries and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Remember, all food's healthy.
It's the quantity that is theproblem.
So everything in moderation.
But I think the most importantis to be aware, because it is
not helping your system in anyway whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And I understand you're awake and you need to
fuel yourself, but it's aboutwhat we do and this is what
we're going to look at with theresearch as to what is the
optimal way to fuel yourselfovernight, the night.
Could you imagine Gav doing adrive, working overnight and
maybe not eating from, let's say, 11pm through until five or six
the next morning?
(15:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Oh no, no, you couldn't do it.
I'd do that.
You've got to have something inthe belly.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, it's an interesting one.
All of my clients, I help themwith the fast and we structure
the fast a particular way andthey come out of the night shift
.
They sleep better, they comeout of the night shift a lot
quicker and feeling a lot better.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I agree with that.
The other night I had a awfulbreakfast.
I had a roast and hit the bedand slept like anything.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And you did or you didn't, sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I did I slept like anything.
The midges reckoned.
I was snoring my head off.
Beautiful I did.
I slept like anything.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The mist was as big as I was snoring my head off
Beautiful.
Love that for you I really do,but you're the sort of person
that everybody hates.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm sorry about that, but you're so blessed to be in
that position.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, good on you, Gav.
Keep in touch.
Good to have you on the program, Tony.
I was a flight attendant withQantas and flew with the great
Captain Elfie.
Thought you may have beenNathan Koch.
Ah, yes, we do talk aboutaviation, so forgive, if you
will.
Of course, Captain, it's notNathan.
Nathan Koch.
(16:27):
We're actually talking aboutshift workers as opposed to vets
and jets.
Nathan, as you know, is acaptain, qantas captain, so they
would know each other no doubt.
If you would like to join theprogram 133693, plenty of room
on the board, you'll get throughstraight away.
Particularly for shift workers,those that have been doing
shift work for a long time, loveyou long time or have a
(16:49):
sustained professional lifeworking overnight I often feel
for, say, those that deliverbabies.
So the great Mr Mays inBallarat, no longer with us, he
delivered daughter number oneand daughter number two in
Ballarat.
Yep, mr Mays was anextraordinary human being on
(17:10):
many levels, but he would.
He came into.
My recollection is he came intothe hospital at about 10.30 and
he arrived in a black dinnersuit.
Come straight from dinner.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, he'd been at a function or a ball from my
memory.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And then he said look , baby's definitely on the way.
Talking about Jamie, and hesaid Jamie will arrive around
about three past two, no thataccurately.
That accurately.
Yeah, so he then leaves, goeshome and probably had a rest and
a shower, whatever he did, andwaltzes in at five to two yeah,
(17:48):
a baby is delivered at threepast two.
No, how extraordinary is that?
That is incredible, and therewould be hundreds of those sort
of men and women right acrossAustralia that are on call to
deliver babies at that time ofthe morning and there'd be many
people listening who deliveredbabies during the overnight
(18:11):
133693.
How amazing is that process.
And what do you do about eatingin that situation?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Now I have clients come to me that we have big
problems with that and the issueis that's circadian disruption.
You're on call so you can'tplan to eat at a particular time
because you might go to bed,get up and all of a sudden
you're at the vending machine ata hospital, like you said, with
a doctor that's doing thingslike that, and what I advise is
(18:43):
to have these ready-made snackson hand high-protein snacks,
like protein bars or proteinshakes and things like that.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But that's processed though, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Protein bars.
We've got to be getting thatprotein in.
It is processed.
Let's not have the process.
It's about moderation.
It's about getting something ininstead.
It is processed, let's not havethe process.
It's about moderation.
It's about getting something ininstead of having nothing.
Obviously, we don't functionproperly with nothing but fruit,
even fruit and a handful ofnuts.
I'll see you with your fruitsand nuts.
(19:15):
Absolutely perfect on nightshift.
Some hummus and some crackersis really good to have.
You can buy those packs now.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I can't be sitting here at two o'clock in the
morning talking to people eatinghummus, because then I'd go.
If we're going to do that, I'dlike to have a beverage with it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, of course.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Cheeky little.
I don't know cheeky littleMargaret River shardy or a
little sparkling, maybe from theYarra Valley.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, I know that would be elegant and a platter,
with some cold cuts on it andeverything else.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh gee, I miss those days.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, well, the thing is we have these people that are
getting up in the middle of thenight all the time, that are
running off to on-call people.
We have doctors and nurses.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Well, that was my point about those that deliver
babies.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yep, but nurses we have.
Well, that was my point aboutthose that deliver babies Yep,
but we've got a lot of policethat are on call as well, that
are getting turned out in themiddle of the night.
Paramedics get ramped stuck atplaces away from there A lot of
our paramedic friends we don'trealise they get a structured
break into their shift, butthat's all well and good when
you can get back to your branch.
But the majority of theparamedics are stuck ramped at
(20:23):
hospitals, particularly herethese days, and they can be for
extended periods of time with nooptions of what to eat.
So I guide them around that andin fact, I've produced an ebook
, um, which is free for, uh,people like that to download,
and it's called Snacks and it'snon-perishable snacks that you
(20:45):
can keep in your locker or yourkit bag.
And people can go to myInstagram, which is at a
underscore healthy underscoreshift.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
All the details are there.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And they can just hit the word snacks on anything.
If you put the word snacks andit will send you a link to
download that and it is a freeresource.
Tony McAnrodger.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I find grandchildren get to sleep.
This is really good.
Have a listen to this.
Yeah, I love it.
I find grandchildren get tosleep so much later now.
They used to go to sleep at7.30, and now it can be closer
to, sometimes 10 and 11 pm.
That is so late.
They're in their bed but can'tsleep.
Try as hard as they can.
(21:25):
Took them to the park for anhour today, had a shower.
Still just went to bed a whileago At ages six and eight.
Surely that's not enough sleepfor the little tackers.
What can we?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
do.
It's not enough sleep for thelittle tackers, and I'm going to
give my friend and colleague areally big plug here, which is
Dr Olivia Walsh we're going toget onto the show in two weeks'
time who works out of theUniversity of Minnesota.
She's just written her bookcalled Sleep Groove.
She has her children her childsleeping from 6.30 pm to 6.30 am
(22:04):
.
She's a circadian biologist.
She studies light and how itinteracts with the body.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
There will be mothers listening now right across
Australia, thinking you'rebeauty.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, olivia is amazing with the way she's.
I've interviewed her twice onthe podcast and she's actually a
mathematician, but she'sbranched into circadian because
it's all very rhythmic, it's alllinked in.
Now, in answer to this text notenough daylight, blue light
exposure during the day to thesechildren, and then blue light
(22:34):
exposure after dark is disrupted.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
What does that mean?
People have no idea necessarilywhat you're talking about when
you talk about blue lightexposure.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Any white light is blue light.
We need light outside.
We need that.
The sky is that colour blue fora reason and our eye sees that,
but it's hard to explainwithout a visual presentation.
But the thing is in thespectrum of light that we see is
blue.
(23:00):
In the spectrum of light thatwe see is blue and the eye has a
sensor that actually registersthat blue.
If it sees it, it thinks it'sdaytime, so it suppresses
melatonin and it doesn't allowour body to go to sleep, and
this is what these kids aresuffering from.
So we need to get up and getoutside and get that light
outside so that we're gettingthat correct spectrum of blue in
(23:23):
our eyes during the day, but atnight we need to take that blue
out for the very reason that itis keeping us awake.
And this is why children now,because of screens, because of
TV after dark, we need to go tozero blue lighting in all
workplaces so that we are notdisrupting these circadian
(23:45):
rhythms.
My house at night is zero blue.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Your call is the other side 133693.
Keep the text.
We'll get to those in just atick as well.
0477-693-693.
There's a ripper there too.
6976.
We'll come to you shortly forAustralia Overnight, roger
Sutherland.
I'm Tony McManus.
Hello to you.
For those that have just joinedus right across Australia via
(24:07):
6PR in Perth, 5aa in Adelaide,the good people at 3OW right
here in Melbourne where we are,roger.
Thank you to each and every one.
There's so many texts, leaf.
Where's that text from Leafthat called through earlier?
I'm going to call you out onthat.
He was singing a tune.
Leaf is the host of thenighttime program on 5AA and he
(24:30):
says sing it with me.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Tone, you're going home in the back of a dizzy van
See now you are clearly showingthat you have no idea what this
song is.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
When I saw it from Leif.
I'm thinking I don't know whathe's talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You actually spoke it .
And I then said and allVictorians that are listening to
this now, all together, nowyou're going home in the back of
a divvy van.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He's a South Australian, so it's not just
Victorian.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, he's aware of it.
It's the song that's sung.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You're going home in the back of a divvy van A divvy
van Divvy van he's got dizzy vanthere, Okay divvy van it's
supposed to be divvy, all right.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yep, that's what it is Clap, clap clap and
Victorians will be disappointedthat you're not aware of that.
And I said to you off air, haveyou never or near it?
Because this is all we hear forthe Boxing Day Test Every time
a policeman.
You're going home in a divvyvan.
You're going home in the no.
What happens is, you know how,when you go to the cricket or
(25:28):
you go to a Boxing Day, match.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Are we on air?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I hope so, gee God, when you go to the Boxing Day
Test and the police come downand escort someone from.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh, I see, so it's like a chant.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's a chant that they sing.
You're going home in the backof a divvy van.
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
David in Mount Waverley.
Hello, dave Says Tony and Roger, lighting requirements.
What are they?
Blue light at night what arethose requirements if you want
to buy something?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's very simple no blue light after dark.
Okay, so if you go to mywebsite, ahealthyshiftcom, or to
all there and you can go torecommended products and there
are zero blue lights there froma company called Block Blue
Light there is also they'reprobably the leading one and I
just think it's really importantthat we get these zero blue
(26:16):
lights into homes once the sun'sgone down.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Is that still relevant?
Yes, according to Maggie.
Is it Maggie who says thatApple a day?
Where did we see that one?
No, that's from John, who saysapple a day keeps the doctor
away.
I eat one large Bravo apple aday and they're delicious, very
good.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Apple a day, and it's still a thing I Very good, and
it's still a thing I reckonthere was a dear old childcare.
Remember we had childcarecentres no, you wouldn't
remember Childcare centres thatmums and some dads would take
baby to, and they werepresumably supported by local
councils.
There was a sister on HighStreet, just around the corner
(26:57):
from where we lived on BellaVista Road, called Sister
Feltham, and in that littleoffice that she had there were
signs all over the place.
I remember it as a kid an applea day will keep the doctor away
and you know, like everything,you hear it over and over and
over and I think there is stillsome truth in that.
So I should have some fruithere, is that okay?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, absolutely Fresh fruit Fruit overnight is
ideal, and Absolutely Freshfruit Fruit overnight is ideal.
And the one thing that we'vegot to stop in life is we've got
to stop demonising fruit forthe sugar that's in it, because
it's different.
And the most important thing is, you never, ever, looked at
someone overweight walking downthe street and went they've just
eaten far too much fruit.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Every game of cricket ever says Leithy.
He's just texting back.
Why don't we take this one?
Oh, the police radio operator.
It's funny how people jump onboard.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
These are the police operators, and it's all
different names.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I know Another one here named Sherlon Matlock
Police was played by MargaretChristensen, a popular radio
personality actress.
That's from Helen in Doncaster,yeah, but Google tells me
differently, somebody different.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Shirley Ann Keir.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
That's the one that I've got Shirley.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Ann Keir, shirley Ann Keir.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Was that the name of the character or was that the
name of the person playing thecharacter, Shirley?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
On Australian TV series Matlock Police.
The character Sherl was playedby Shirley Ann Keir, so her real
name is as Judy Brown.
As Judy Brown, it doesn't makesense, does?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No, it doesn't Another actress named Shirley
Smith played the character ofBetty Barker in the same series.
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't know.
It's all over the show.
Let's give up.
I love Roger here who saysthank you, roger.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
David, yeah, thank you, roger.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Thank you, roger.
David, we'll do this.
Comeback in just a moment forAustralia Overnight G'day blokes
.
I'm friends with US Veterans ofMotorcycle Club and I was over
in Ohio Clubhouse recently.
We were outside the club andthe guy next door was getting
arrested and I started singing.
Every one of the club crappedup laughing at me.
That was that song.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Hadn't heard it.
It was a song by the Paintersand Dockers that was released.
You're Going Home in the Backof a Divvy Van.
Let's see if challenge Paintersand Dockers, you're Going Home
in the Back of a Divvy Van.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
We've got about 30 seconds to find it, because
we've got the news.
We might do it afterwards.
Come out, come out.
Thank you for coming in.
The best way to do it is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
To go to the website ahealthyshiftcom or Instagram.
A underscore healthy,underscore shift.
I look forward to seeing youthere.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And have a listen to the podcast, because some of
those people to whom you speakare indeed fascinating.
Would it kill you to invitethem onto the program?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What do you mean?
People listening?
I'll have anyone, if anyonewants to reach out.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But you've got them on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Why don't you ask them to come on this program?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'm going to.
I'll get people onto thepodcast.
I failed in bringing a guestonto the show this week, which
I'm going to bring next twoweeks.
You've had two weeks.
I know Two weeks and one job.
One job, john, I'm sorry, I'llsee you next time.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's nice to see you, roger.
Have a look at it.
It's simply called all one wordahealthyshiftcom and Instagram
at a underscore healthyunderscore shift.
The music quiz AustraliaOvernight Music Quiz is next.
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