April 19, 2023 • 38 mins
The Steves discuss the 2009 reboot, Friday the 13th, along with what's making them happy in pop culture today!
What's making us happy?
- Ru Paul's Drag Race Season 15 Finale
- Bayonetta 3 (Switch)
Movie Discussion
- Franchise overview
- The path to the reboot
- Names and numbers behind the scene
- Favorite death scenes
- Having Jason as a neighbor
Ending- Any music or audio clips were borrowed from the original source material.
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Steve (00:03):
Hello, returning Happys and new listeners.
This is Steve Bennett
Stephen (00:06):
Martin.
And this is Steven MartinBennett, and welcome to a
lifetime
Steve (00:10):
of happiness.
The podcast where we take you onour journey through some of the
movies, shows, and other bits ofpop culture that are helping to
keep us happy, while hopefullybring a smile to your face along
the way.
And we
Stephen (00:20):
are heading to Camp Crystal Lake today as we
continue a spring full ofreboots and remakes with the
2009 reboot of Friday the
Steve (00:30):
13th.
Yes.
Before we get ready for campwhat's been making you happy?
My life.
So
Stephen (00:35):
I just finished the third in the initial Bayonetta
trilogy.
So Bayonetta three.
I just finished that and it wasreally good, I would say after
playing all of them that thesecond one is my favorite.
And it definitely looks likewe're moving in a new direction
(00:56):
for.
The fourth.
But it's a fun series.
It's very if you've ever playeda platinum game, it's very
platinum.
So be ready for a lots and lotsof action, but, It's a lot of
fun and the voice acting isamazing.
Excellent.
What's been making you happy?
My darling.
Sasha Colby, of course.
(01:19):
Our Queen.
Steve (01:20):
Sasha Colby.
Yes.
We had drag race season 15finale and after a very, very,
very long season, although Idon't it in the end, even though
they had more queens, prettymuch a queen went home every
week.
I wonder if it was any moreepisodes LA than last season or
just as many, or.
Stephen (01:38):
I honestly don't know.
It was probably just as manythough.
Yeah.
But,
Steve (01:42):
It all ended with Sasha winning the Crown and I love
that for her.
She was the clear and obviouschoice for me.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
I love Antra personally, andshe'll kill in all stars, but
you can't compete against Sasha.
It's just like an all winnerseason.
Oh
Stephen (01:56):
yeah.
And I do have to give mistresssome credit of all of the big
girls that.
Competed.
She is probably the mostwell-rounded and polished
Steve (02:09):
of any of them.
Yes.
Only she was a little bit nicer.
Yes.
And in her congenial era.
A little bit sooner.
Stephen (02:15):
Yes.
Oh, but.
Let's talk some Friday the 13th.
History
Steve (02:21):
sounds good.
I mean, I grew up knowing aboutthe series, but I wasn't too
involved with it for those Notin The Know.
Friday the 13th was the originalreleased in May of 1980, and it
started a franchise that has 12slasher films, a TV series,
novels, comic books, videogames, and Ty, me.
Yes.
And it was the most successfulhorror franchise until Halloween
(02:43):
came out on top with the 2018reboot.
Yes.
Stephen (02:46):
Because the Halloween 2018 movie made like$250
million.
Yes.
So it's gonna be hard foranybody to catch up to that.
Steve (02:54):
Exactly.
But yeah, I mean, I rememberhearing and like knowing about
who Jason was and even likeknowing that in the first one
that it was the mom from like,But if you had asked me like to
list my top five or top 10horror franchises that existed,
like it wouldn't have been on mypersonal list.
What
Stephen (03:12):
about you?
Well, so it's kind ofinteresting that you know, like
the Marvel versus DC debatetoday.
Yeah.
It was kind of a Freddie versusJason debate back in the
Steve (03:23):
day.
That is funny that theyultimately squared off then.
Yeah.
Stephen (03:26):
And so we were kind of a nightmare on Elm Street.
I saw some of the Friday, the13th movies.
I didn't see the original untilI was in my twenties.
Yeah.
And I have, you know, thoughtson how that one could have been
better.
It's a fun series.
Steve (03:47):
Yeah.
I mean, I know that for me, we,we did watch through them.
We, we
Stephen (03:52):
watched through all of them, including Jason X.
Yes.
Steve (03:57):
And so after doing that, I don't know whether it's
because they didn't age well,but, and I don't have the
nostalgia to like long for it,but like I didn't like that half
as much as I like my re watchesof like Nightmare in Om Street
and Chucky and all the otherones.
Stephen (04:14):
So the first four Friday the 13th movies, Hold up
better than everything after
Steve (04:22):
that.
Yeah.
Well, let's talk about whereJason has been before we figure
out where it'll go next.
I mean, the last time we sawhim, he squared off against
Freddie in 2000 threes, Freddieversus Jason.
And so tell us what you
Stephen (04:34):
think.
So the Freddie movies had movedinto kind of a full horror camp
by Jason X, or as I call it,Jason, in Space Lake Nightmare
Long Street.
It no longer had the scare.
Fans were sticking around forJason and the brutal kills.
Mm-hmm.
Freddie versus Jason was like aMarvel DC crossover.
(04:55):
It's fun, but it's not likely tohappen very often, and both
Freddy and Jason deserve to bedoing their own thing.
Outside of any crossover movies.
So where The Nightmare RemakeReboot was attempting to start
fresh, this one acknowledged thepast and was ready to take a new
step forward while still holdingonto their history some
Steve (05:18):
wise.
Yeah, I mean, could, could youhave continued the story after
the end of Freddie versus Jason?
Maybe,
Stephen (05:25):
but honestly, I don't think.
The best thing to do would be totreat it how DC does with their
Batman films like Dark Knight,like a
Steve (05:33):
duo here, a trilogy
Stephen (05:35):
there?
No.
Like Dark Knight versus Batmanand Justice League.
Oh, both of them are Batman, butnot the same Batman.
So that like Freddie versusJason was Jason, but not the
same Jason from all of the otherFred Friday movies.
Jason and the Reboot would bethe one from the other movies.
Steve (05:57):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, mark Wheaton's originalpitch to you new line was to
reboot the series with a newpart five, ignoring the original
new beginning and everythingthat happened after while
featuring a prologue showingJason VREs witnessing the murder
of his.
The characters who come toCrystal Lake then know of Jason
as they did in Friday the 13thparts, two 3D and four before.
(06:20):
He is not yet supernatural likehe was at six.
Yeah.
Or hadn't gone to space orbecome a Demonn worm or anything
like that, right?
Mm-hmm.
So to further suit the needs ofa reboot, Wheaton had four.
He's in the.
In first the canvas bag he wasin, in part two, only to replace
it with the hockey mask halfwaythrough the
Stephen (06:38):
film.
And honestly, that's the way Ithought of it.
This was if one through four hadexisted previously and the this
one was the next in line.
Kind of like how Halloween 2018said, okay, the first one
happened and now we're here.
Or H two O said one and twohappened and now we're here.
(06:58):
This honestly played to me as ifone through four exist.
And this was five.
That's how the lore
Steve (07:07):
worked.
And so in the, in your, in thistheory, the prequel that we see
in the beginning of the mom isdying just a flashback of the
first movie.
Yes.
And then that happened betweenor after the first movie and
then the other movies happened,and then this one happens.
Stephen (07:26):
So the, in the part that we saw with the mom, We saw
on screen.
Yeah.
At the end of the first movie,Jason also comes up out of the
water and grabs the girl.
Yeah.
Leading us to believe that hehad been alive the whole time.
Yeah.
So this kind of showed us ascene of him finding his
(07:46):
mother's body that we didn't seein the original movie and they
re-shot it.
So it was a cleaner.
Cool and more easily to be seen.
Steve (07:55):
Yes.
Well, it was released onFebruary 13th, 2009, which was a
Friday the 13th, as it alwaysshould be.
It was directed by Marcus Npeand produced by Sean Cunningham
and had the same team behindNightmare in Elm Street's.
Reboot from Platinum Dunes ofMichael Bay, Andrew Form, and
Brad
Stephen (08:12):
Fuller.
According to co-writer Damienand Shannon, the character of
Jason Borhes was ReenvisionedReenvisioned as more territorial
like a hunter.
Someone who doesn't kill peopleat random, but is gonna defend
his territory from anyoneevading it and in the most
horrible manner.
Director Marcus Nial.
(08:33):
Similar.
Similar, oh, that's a hard wordfor.
Similarly claims the film showsnew aspects of Jason's
personality.
Derek, me says His portrayal ofJason as a survivalist defending
his territory is partiallyinspired by the character of
John Rambo and First Blood.
I don't know that, so that's aSylvester Stallone movie.
(08:55):
He had the Rambo movies and thenhe had.
The Rocky movies.
The first Rambo movie was calledFirst Blood, and then it was
called Rambo First Blood Parttwo.
Gotcha.
Kind of like how the firstIndiana Jones movie is just
called Raiders of the Lost Ark,and then they add Indiana Jones
after
Steve (09:14):
that.
Gotcha.
Well, funny story.
The producer Michael Bay,allegedly walked out in the
movie premiere stating the moviefeatured too much sex,
Stephen (09:23):
which is funny because of all the slasher flicks of the
eighties that had largefollowings.
The Friday movies are most knownfor the most nudity and sex, and
that was how Jason got hisreputation for going after
Immoral Teens.
Steve (09:36):
Yes.
Well, this movie had a budget of19 million, which seems cheap
considering, right?
Absolutely.
And at a box office of 92.7million, which financially means
it made money.
But was this a success for fansand critics alike?
Stephen (09:50):
So that's another one where it has fans and critics
conflicted.
Critics hated it.
Fans said some say that it earnsits place along with the other
Friday movies.
Some were mad at, didn't have asupernatural Jason, and some
didn't care for Amanda Reti orthe mommy lookalike storyline.
(10:11):
But just kind of like how aftera decade the Nightmare remake
has been getting more respect.
There have been a lot of peoplelooking back at this movie
going, maybe we were too
Steve (10:25):
harsh.
Yes, and it's stars.
Jared Padalecki, Daniel BanBaker, Aaron, you, Amanda, rti,
Travis Van Weel, and Derek Mes.
Do any of these names or facesmean anything to you?
Stephen (10:40):
Jar Padalecki is from all 47 Seasons of Supernatural.
Yes, that sounds about right.
And Daniel Pana Baker is fromthe Flash TV series.
She was one of Team Flash andshe became the Chill or
Steve (10:54):
frost.
Oh, I liked her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't even notice that.
Stephen (10:56):
Yeah, I, there's some, she is a likable person in
general.
Yeah.
And like here and in Flash, I'malways like, I like you.
I think she's probably, at leastI hope so.
A good person and real life too.
Yeah.
Because that's how she comesacross on screen.
Steve (11:12):
Yeah.
Now what happened in this movie?
Oh,
Stephen (11:15):
goodness.
So, as you said On June 13th,1980, a young Jason Voorhees
watches as his mother Pamelabeheaded by a camp counselor who
was trying to escape Mrs.
Voorhis murder spree around CampCrystal Lake.
Steve (11:29):
Yeah, and this is pretty much the entire film's movie,
like how it all ends, right?
Stephen (11:34):
Yeah, pretty much.
It's the last 10 minutes of themovie condensed down to like
three minutes.
Yeah.
In the first movie.
What's interesting is that wenever see Mrs.
Vo.
Till the end when she's revealedas the killer.
Mm-hmm.
Like she wasn't even a characterin the movie till she was
revealed as the killer.
So all of her exposition at theend, which they replayed here.
(11:55):
Yeah.
Was pretty much all the fullstory the movie had and the fun
side note, the actress thatplayed the original Pamela of
Voorhis in the 90 said, I reallyfeel like you should have.
Somewhere else in the movie,like the kids go to a diner in
(12:15):
the beginning.
Yeah.
They're like, have me in thediner, giving them an evil side
eye or something like, but the,on the first time we see her on
screen, it's weird is the end.
So, It's one of those like wewere talking about in the murder
mystery
Steve (12:30):
where I like it when the whodunit is someone I know and
not just someone off the street.
Exactly.
Now Jason's still a child whodrowned but didn't die from
drowning, as it turns out.
Finds the locket his mother waswearing that, his pictures of
her from when she was youngerand the machete that was used to
kill his mother and deit.
(12:50):
He hears his mother's voice saythat he must kill for her, kill
for mommy, and punish them forwhat they've done.
Stephen (13:00):
Oh, Somebody has samami issues.
Yes.
Forever.
Steve (13:05):
Now, a almost 30 years later, a group of friends, Wade,
Richie, Mike, Whitney, andAmanda arrive at Crystal Lake on
a camping trip with a littleknown side quest to search from
marijuana growing in the woods.
Yeah.
Two
Stephen (13:20):
of them knew that there's supposed to be a huge
crop of marijuana.
Everyone else thinks thatthey're camping.
Steve (13:25):
Yes.
That night after finding the oldcabins from the camp, they recap
and flesh out the story from theopening going hunting for
marijuana.
One of the guys runs into Jasonin his burlaps sack.
Look who?
Which is creepy.
Yes.
Who kills him quickly andviolently.
Whitney and her boyfriend findan abandoned home and wonder if
a homeless person
Stephen (13:45):
lives there.
No, because then they wouldn'tbe homeless, which we both like
thought of and decided
Steve (13:50):
immediately at the same time.
Yeah.
Yes, and it's quickly becomesobvious.
This was Jason's home with hismother.
Yeah.
Now, have you ever explored anarea that a local urban legend
was based on?
Stephen (14:03):
Yes.
So spring Heights is a camp inmy hometown of Spencer, and
there was an old caretaker'scottage known as Hicks Kaan.
Mr.
Hick had been the caretaker ofthe camp, and the story says
that he killed his family andhung him.
In the, well that was rightoutside the house.
And you know, if you look downinto the, well, there's rotted
(14:23):
wood that looks like it wassomething holding it up.
And there's bits of rope inthere and stuff, and there's
stains in the attic of thecabin.
Yeah.
And whether any of it is true orjust a story used to scare
campers, it became local legendand told so many times that
anybody that has gone to camp.
(14:44):
Speaks it as if it's true.
Yeah.
Steve (14:46):
I mean, I got into like my love for horror.
Like I always was drawn to it,but I grew into it as I got
older.
Like I grew up 15, 20 minutesfrom Amityville, right.
And never went to the Amityvillehouse.
Really?
Like it just wasn't a thing.
Like I've been to hauntedplaces, but it's mostly like
with you where it's like tourguide.
They're like, that place ishaunted.
And we're like, Ooh.
(15:07):
But like I've never reallyexplored like a haunt like that,
and I think that be cool.
We'll have to
Stephen (15:11):
do one of those because I've told you about the time.
My friend Samantha and I spentthe night in a haunted church
rectory.
Steve (15:18):
Oh yeah.
I wanna be like, so terrifiedthat I pee myself a little bit.
Oh, now they mentioned how muchWhitney looks like Jason's
mother.
What a coincidence that Shirleywon't come into play.
Stephen (15:30):
Also, what I liked when they were look going through the
homeless person's house Yes.
Is that there's a collection ofcamp whistles that can I only,
that can I, that I can only.
Are trophies from dead campcounselors that Jason and his
mom took care of,
Steve (15:46):
must have.
Now meanwhile, Amanda and Richieare having sex in their tents,
so they obviously get murderedbecause a horny Jason isn't
angry.
Jason.
True story.
The guy gets stuck in a beartrap while Amanda burnt to death
in a sleeping bag over acampfire.
Okay, that.
Was
Stephen (16:00):
cool and awful.
Like I don't know what it isabout people burning to death,
but that's right up there withmy list of, oh God, please
Steve (16:09):
know.
I know.
And it was so effective.
And you didn't even need to seeit uhhuh like inside the bag or
anything, like it was just a wayto keep it minimal.
Yeah.
Well, very effective.
So a plus on that, I'd say thatwas my favorite death of the
movie.
Stephen (16:23):
With Whitney.
With just Whitney and herboyfriend left, Jason goes after
them in his house.
He decides to play the floorslava by jamming his machete up
through the floorboards, tryingto imal anyone that's on the
floor.
Boyfriend gets stabbed multipletimes.
Then Jason breaks through thefloor and drags the boyfriend
down to kill him.
Jason then chases Whitneythrough the woods, and were led
(16:45):
to believe that he kills her.
Steve (16:47):
Yes.
And do you wish that any ofthese groups survived or were
they just trophy cannon fodder?
Okay,
Stephen (16:53):
so Whitney and her boyfriend were the only ones
that.
Actual character personalities.
The others were just trophycannon fodder.
So Whitney and her boyfriendcould have survived and been
real characters.
The rest were just screaming,kill me, kill me, kill
Steve (17:12):
me.
Yes.
We now get the title card, whichdoesn't appear until 25 minutes
into the movie, making it one ofthe longest prologues in any
horror film.
And that
Stephen (17:21):
is kind of crazy.
It
Steve (17:23):
doesn't, it almost feels like a part one.
Like the way that I know youread it, like all of the other
movies make sense and happenedin the world.
Like the way that I read thisis, this is like retelling one
through four of like, like theone was basically told in the
opening like three minutes.
Yeah.
And then this is going on tolike kind of what happens next,
(17:45):
but like it progresses.
Yeah.
I didn't see it that way.
Well, that's.
Now, six weeks later, Whitney'sbrother, clay Miller, played by
Supernatural guy, arrives by thelake to search for her and has
the pleasure of running intoTrent, the douche bag, his quasi
girlfriend.
Question Mark.
Jenna?
Stephen (18:04):
Yeah.
The girl next door type where wecan't understand why she is
potentially with Trent.
Yes.
And friends.
Chelsea, a girl who just wantsto be bad played.
Bad girl.
Pop Singer Will
Steve (18:17):
Ford.
Well, that was the joke.
Her song was, I just wanna bebad.
Oh, I didn't wanna be bad.
It makes me feel so good.
Stephen (18:27):
Yeah.
You know how much of a willafford fan I am.
Then I had
Steve (18:30):
her single and I definitely played it a lot.
I was like, I'm gonna be bad.
Just like Willa Ford.
Stephen (18:39):
There was Bree who just wants to have fun and be Trent's
side.
And Chewy, the Stoner Nolan, thedude bro boyfriend of Chelsea
and Lawrence, who wants us toknow that he's more than just
the token black eye.
Yes.
And he has the most potential ofany of them characterized to not
(19:00):
be.
Almost.
Steve (19:02):
Yeah.
But yes.
Other than Clay who we're like,that's an actor we know.
So he'll probably be something.
Yeah.
Any other standouts right offthe batch For, honestly,
Stephen (19:10):
for this new crew, Jenna immediately let us know
that she's a character thatwe're allowed to like, And the
others are making sure that weknow that there are stereotypes
and will not make it to the endof the movie.
And Trent is such an awfulperson that you can't forget him
because he makes such a hugepresence of himself and you're
immediately wishing for his
Steve (19:29):
death.
Yes.
And while they're both going tothe same place, they don't each
know it, but we do.
But there's also a delay becauseClay gets pulled over by
detective bracket who's.
Who gives'em a hard time for nottrusting them when they say they
can't find his sister and she'snot here.
And to give up looking.
Stephen (19:46):
Detective Brock's role was filled by Richard Bergy just
12 hours before he was to shoothis scenes.
And we know Richard Bergy fromDesperate Housewives and he was
a standup guy there.
And yeah, and he's known to be aquality actor, so I buy.
Being able to step in lastminute.
Steve (20:05):
Yes.
And in the opening scenes,Whitney felt guilty that she was
leaving her mother at home,though she had a caregiver while
her mom was battling cancer.
And it turns out that theirmother died in the last 45 days.
And Whitney not showing up forthe funeral is not something she
would do.
Absolutely.
Now at the cabin, we have moretime to look deep into the teens
character, both who they trulyare uniquely as individuals, as
(20:30):
well as the inner and complexdepths of their inner working
relationships with one another.
Absolutely.
Just kidding.
It's fluff about them gettinghigh in fucking each other.
Yep.
Stephen (20:40):
One thing this movie definitely has going against it
is that in order there for thereto be enough kill, They have to
have more characters, but indoing so, there isn't enough
time to flesh them out.
So we get many caricatures thatwe don't care about.
So the deaths are justentertaining and nothing we feel
bad about.
That's one of the differenceswith the nightmare on Elm Street
(21:02):
movies.
Yeah, because like, okay, withthese, if Jason finds you and
hunts you, most likely you're.
In the nightmare movies, youhave a chance to wake up.
Yeah.
And so you can interact withFreddy multiple times.
Usually.
Don't get that in these movies.
Steve (21:18):
No, not so much.
Now Clay goes to an oldfarmhouse to ask about Whitney
being missing.
She ain't
Stephen (21:24):
missing, she's dead.
People go missing around here.
They gone for good.
Outsiders come, they don't knowwhere to walk.
They bring trouble.
We just want to be left alone.
And so does he.
Now, I love adding to the lorethat yes, they all know about
Jason, but none of them want todie, so they just live their
(21:46):
lives and let him live his.
What happens to outsiders istheir problem.
So if you knew there was a massmurderer living on the same lake
as you, but if you didn't botherhim, he would let you live.
Would you stay or would you notwanna risk it?
And you'd.
Steve (22:05):
I would stay if it helped lower my property taxes, I would
think that it would, I thinkyou'd be able to get a great
deal on a house if your nextdoor neighbor was Jason
Voorhees,
Stephen (22:25):
and you know, you could.
Call people and be like, Hey,you wanna meet me for a picnic
at the lake?
Make sure to go down by thesouth side and take that trail.
It's easily marked.
I promise.
I'll meet you down there.
And just so that they get killedand their bodies are never
Steve (22:42):
found.
Yeah, exactly.
I think I see, I see actuallysome pros here.
Actually I'm starting to did Didyou go into this thinking it was
an obvious No, I did, but no.
No.
And actually there's some perksto having it.
It's like having like a bigger,scarier guard dog for your
neighborhood, the neighbor.
Imagine having Jason on yourneighborhood watch.
You'd have the safestneighborhood.
(23:03):
So
Stephen (23:04):
Jason is always on night patrol, everyone.
That's taken care of.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
No, but I do love this.
So it is like those first fourmovies have happened and they're
all like, we just leave himalone.
We just leave him alone.
Y'all are the ones that arebringing this to him.
Yeah.
Steve (23:23):
And the friends are having fun.
Trent, a buzz killed douche bagand we can't wait for him to
die.
Jenna appears to be datingTrent, but it doesn't appear to
be serious or that it's beengoing on for a while.
We're not sure or that eitherone is casually invested in it.
Clay visits Trent Cabin andJenna agrees to help him search
for Whitney on the other side,the lake.
Despite trans lack of enthusiasmwith this plan on the way Clay
(23:47):
talks to his sister and hisguilt for leaving her behind
when he left.
Now as much as Trent is a douchebag and I hate him and I can't
wait for Jason to kill him, cuzyou know that he will be dead.
Yeah.
At some point in time, how wouldyou feel if some hot rando on a
motorcycle knocked on our doorand was like, can you come help
me look for my sister?
And I was like, peace out babe.
Yeah.
I don't think I'd
Stephen (24:06):
care for that part.
But even before Jenna goes offwith him, Trent is a dick for no
reason to clay twice now.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Anything that would happenbetween Clay and Jen and Janelle
is karma for Trent being.
And the way he talks to people,including Jenna.
She seems like a good person andI'm not sure, and I'm not really
seeing what draws her to him.
(24:27):
And the more I've thought aboutit, the more I'm starting to
think of maybe he invited herbecause he's trying to make
something happen with her.
Steve (24:35):
Or like, I mean, did we ever see them kiss her, get
physical?
I'm almost wondering whetherthey're childhood best friends
and she's just putting up withhis dickery.
Stephen (24:41):
It could be the closest they had to anything.
Romantic or
Steve (24:47):
was in the opening or the near the beginning, I would say.
Like when they
Stephen (24:50):
were sitting outside by the tree.
Yeah.
And that's about it.
Steve (24:53):
Yes.
Now as they searched, Jasonkills that neighbor who was so
polite to the guy earlier whilehe gets sexual with the
mannequin, he lost his virginitytoo, taking the opportunity to
upgrade it.
His mask to the hockey mask netwe all love in fear.
Stephen (25:09):
In this movie, Jason wears both the legendary hockey
mask and the burlaps.
Although neither of thoseappeared in the original Friday
the 13th because it was PamelaVoorhis.
The burlap sack was the firstmask worn by Jason in Friday the
13th, part two in 1981, and thehockey mask did not appear until
(25:29):
the final third of Friday the13th, part three.
Steve (25:33):
I love the burlap sack.
And the hockey mask, both fortheir own reasons, but the
Burlaps sack now just makes methink of Chainsaw Guy and
Resident Evil four.
Yes.
Stephen (25:43):
And it, it also is kind of reminiscent to the strangers.
Steve (25:48):
Yeah.
Now Trenton, his friendscontinue to get drunk while
Jason goes after Chelsea andNolan as they wakeboard on the
lake.
Nolan gets spirit in the headcausing the boat to bash Chelsea
in the head as she swims outaway from Jason under a dock.
She accidentally queefs in thebubbles alert Jason to her
presence leading her to get amachete in the head.
Oh, poor girl.
(26:09):
I know that.
It wasn't the Queef that did thebubbles.
It was his magic bad guy.
Instincts.
Stephen (26:13):
Yeah.
Will afford Had to learn how towakeboard for this.
Ultimately, she said doing ittopless was the hardest part,
but it is a Friday, the 13thmovie.
So unnecessary topless scenesare
Steve (26:25):
required.
Yes.
And she had nice
Stephen (26:27):
boobs.
She paid good money
Steve (26:29):
for them.
Yes.
Now Clay and Jenna searched theold crystal link.
We're both on fire tonight.
Clay and Jenna search the oldCrystal Lake campgrounds where
they see Jason hauling a bodyinto an abandoned camp.
Jason sees Clay's bag.
He turns on all the power beginstearing apart the area looking
(26:49):
for them, but they get away.
Jenna and Clay run to the warand the others of how Jason and
along the way almost learnedthat Whitney's alive and being
kept under some old miningtunnels because she reminds
Jason of Mommy.
Whitney goes through Clay's bagand fit Jason Toss and realize
he's here looking for
Stephen (27:05):
her.
Okay.
This at this part, it's alsointeresting.
Jason's not an idiot, like a,he's survived that long, but
he's smart enough to have riggedup all the power.
Yeah.
And all that kind of stuff.
So this is definitely like,sometimes he's portrayed as a
(27:28):
mindless killer, but he has somehunting intelligence.
Yes.
Steve (27:35):
For sure.
And were you surprised to findWhitney
Stephen (27:38):
Alive?
Yes and no.
Since they didn't show us thedeath and these movies loved
show the Gratuitous Kills, weshould have known that there was
a chance she was still alive.
Mm-hmm.
But like as it went to thecredits, It just seemed like
that was the end for Whitney.
Yes,
Steve (27:56):
I agree.
And what would you rather do bekilled violently but quickly by
Jason or be his prisoner slashmother figure for six weeks like
that?
Stephen (28:07):
I'm gonna go with Prisoner since being alive means
you have a chance to live and heisn't harming or abusing her
like sexually.
Other than keeping herhandcuffed, which is physical
abuse.
So she seems to be in good
Steve (28:22):
health.
I know I just, there have beentimes in my life where I
would've said, just take me,Jesus.
Just put the machete through myhead.
I would fight for it.
Now, I would be really upset ifit was a full six weeks, cuz I
have GSM and like.
That time you'd
Stephen (28:36):
get out just in time.
I know
Steve (28:38):
I have things to plan and get ready.
I can't be held captive by JasonVoy.
So no camping ground trips thisweekend.
Stephen (28:45):
Well, Jenna and Clay arrive and warn the others, but
Trent and Bri are too busyhaving sex, and maybe that's
either loud or Trent isn'tJenna's boyfriend because she
doesn't seem to care whatthey're doing.
It's weird.
Chewy goes to find tools to fixTrent's family heirloom.
That's also a chair where Jasonfinds and kills him with a long
(29:05):
screwdriver thing before cuttingthe power to the house.
Jason sees Bree and Trent havingsex, and we know with his
morality code that it means theyare now marked to die.
Not like they weren't already.
Yes,
Steve (29:18):
Lauren's goes to find Chewy and gets an ax in the back
as Jason uses him as bait.
But when no one cares enough tosave him, he gets imp.
Now, other than me, obviously,how many others in our life
would you run out there to tryand save?
I gave this a lot of thought.
Yes.
Five.
I would say probably around thetwo or three, and I'm not naming
(29:41):
names.
Me eating now.
Jason then sneaks inside andWait, hold on.
I just had this image.
Like I was like, obviously Remycan't get like a big old spear,
but I was like, what if he got agremlin spear in like the
gremlin from the Gremlin moviewith the little, like remember
where they had the littlecrossbo that was a gremlin size?
I was like, if he got a gremlinsize crossbo in him, I had to
(30:02):
run out and save him from agremlin.
So maybe three.
Stephen (30:08):
I Remy was in my list of five, just
Steve (30:10):
so you know.
Okay, sounds good.
Now Jason then sneaks inside andkills Bree silently in the
bathroom.
Detective Brack arrives, butgets harpooned through the eye.
He didn't see that coming,
Stephen (30:22):
which also makes sense that he was in two scenes in the
movie.
So it is okay that he only gotthe role a day before.
Steve (30:31):
Yes.
Trent Clay and Jenna escaped thecabin, but Trent has killed when
he reaches the main road becausehe didn't trust the tow truck
driver.
And would you have trusted thetow truck driver?
He was being really sketchy.
Stephen (30:44):
At this point, yes.
Yeah.
Because we have no evidence thatJason can drive.
Yeah.
So and it's not like what we hadseen with like Texas Chainsaw
Massa, where there's a wholefamily helping leather face.
So at this point I would'vebeen.
Running up there going, oh,thank God.
Let me in and yeah.
(31:05):
Go, go, go.
Yeah.
Or even just hopping onto themap going, just drive.
Just drive.
Exactly.
But then when you do that,you're more likely to die.
Or even if he had gotten in thetruck, there could have been
that hand in through the windowto rip him out.
Steve (31:19):
Yes, exactly.
And I normally be applaudingTrent's death, but I also feel
bad that that poor old man hasto drive off with that Dick's
body impaled on the back of his.
Not cool unless maybe it's thatguy's thing.
Stephen (31:32):
Oh, and so I definitely think the guy is a local because
as soon as he stalled Jason, hestarted driving off, but not
ridiculously fast.
Not,
Steve (31:40):
oh my God.
A kid was just inhaled on theback of my truck fast.
Not at all.
It was like a, oh, that Jason'sat it again.
I'm just gonna keep going.
Or
Stephen (31:49):
Oh, I don't want him mad at me for trying to help
those kids.
Steve (31:52):
Yeah, exactly.
Now Jason Chases Clay and Jennaback to the campgrounds where
Clay discovers Jason's lairunder the family house and finds
his sister chain to a wall.
Clay frees Whitney and all threetry to escape.
As Jason arrives, they finds anexit, but Jenna is killed before
she escapes.
And were you surprised byJenna's death?
She seemed final girlish to me,but I guess with Whitney back
(32:17):
there can only be one.
Stephen (32:19):
So I'm definitely surprised by Jenna.
She wins the Helen Shivers Awardfor the most undeserved death
scene.
Mm-hmm.
I totally thought she was afinal girl and because, you
know, we made it through severalscreen movies where it didn't
have to be a final girl.
I mean, we had Sydney and Gail.
And Dewey for a while.
(32:40):
Yeah, there's no reason itcouldn't have been three.
Now, I will say that whenever heimpaled her, whatever he impaled
her with was very, very thin.
So she might have lived if Clayhadn't accidentally knocked over
a lantern and starting to firein the tunnels, which probably
burned her alive because shewasn't dead yet.
Well,
Steve (32:58):
that's darker.
I hope she died by Jason's hand.
The emerge they emerge from thetunnel In an old camp bus, Jason
throws clay like a ragdoll, andWhitney manages to escape.
The duo make it to the barn ofthe former mannequin molester.
Jason Corners Clay and Whitney.
And just as Jason is about toput clay in a wood chipper,
(33:20):
Whitney confuses Jason bypretending to be Pamela, then
stabs him in the chest with hisown machete.
Clay clamps a bear trap on hisshoulder and wrap chain around
him and tosses the end into thewood tripper.
It strangles Jason, but stopsjust short of cutting the top of
his head to bits.
Stephen (33:40):
The next morning, clay and Whitney dump Jason's quote
corpse into the lake.
The mask floats to the bottom.
Whitney tosses the lock it in aswell.
It's a beautiful morning.
But before they leave, Jasonburst through the wooden dock
and grabs Whitney as the screenfades to black.
Steve (33:57):
Yeah.
Now, why would they drag him outto the docks to dump his body
when the wood chipper was rightthere?
Put his brains in it.
Bring his brains to bits.
Stephen (34:07):
I mean, honest to goodness, his scalp was about an
inch from the things.
Yeah, just push it.
Yeah.
A little nudge.
Just like we.
If Lori Strode can do it, youall can do it.
Steve (34:20):
Exactly.
They hadn't done it yet, Iguess, but now they know they
can.
Yeah.
Stephen (34:24):
Final thoughts?
So I thought it was a superenjoyable movie.
I thought it was a higherquality than most of the Friday
the 13th movies, especially anyof.
That came after the first four.
Steve (34:41):
Yes.
Some of them were really
Stephen (34:43):
rough.
Yeah.
So honestly I thought it wasgood.
I was expecting us to have moreafter
Steve (34:53):
this.
Yes.
And including this remake, Jasonhas now officially killed over
200 people
Stephen (35:00):
and he had the lead, from what I understand, until
the Halloween trilogy.
Right.
And the first responder seenalone.
Push Pushed Michael pushedMichael up.
Steve (35:12):
Oh, over the end.
Yeah.
Yes.
Now what's next?
Stephen (35:16):
So, a follow up to this was slated for release on
October 13th, 2017.
Eight years after.
Mm-hmm.
And was also set to go intoproduction in a matter of weeks.
But in February of 2017, it wasannounced that Paramount had
pulled the plug on the project.
To move forward with DarrenAronofsky's horror film Mother,
(35:37):
which failed at the box office
Steve (35:39):
as well as with us.
Yes.
Now from a January, 2023Collider article, because of a
legal battle between theoriginal films director, Sean S.
Cunningham, and writer VictorMiller, the franchise has been
in a standstill for the lastnumber of years.
Bands have recently started tosee some light at the end of
this horrific tunnel with theannouncement that Miller was
developing a Crystal Lakeprequel.
(36:01):
With Hannibal's, Brian Fullerand a 22, which seems cool,
Stephen (36:06):
and Cunningham is also working on a reboot to Friday
the 13th with writer Jeff Lockerand director Jeremy Weiss.
The trio developed the ideaafter working together on the
upcoming horror film, the NightDriver.
Steve (36:21):
Cool.
So what do you hope for theseries
Stephen (36:23):
future?
So I'm all good if they rebootthe series, acknowledging the.
We're the first four and thenthis one.
So like make it like the firstfour that we saw in the early
eighties, and then this one, andjust go from there.
Halloween 2018 has shown us thatthere's life left in the OG
(36:43):
slasher movies.
If they are handled correctlyand with a consistent vision,
Steve (36:50):
well we shall see how it goes.
But until then, you know what?
I know we can always count.
Our listeners, yes, and we'dlove to hear what you thought
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Stephen (37:04):
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Steve (37:12):
Pod.
And until next time, everybodystay happy
Stephen (37:17):
and alive.
Hello, returning Happys and new listeners.
This is Steve Bennett
Stephen (00:06):
Martin.
And this is Steven MartinBennett, and welcome to a
lifetime
Steve (00:10):
of happiness.
The podcast where we take you onour journey through some of the
movies, shows, and other bits ofpop culture that are helping to
keep us happy, while hopefullybring a smile to your face along
the way.
And we
Stephen (00:20):
are heading to Camp Crystal Lake today as we
continue a spring full ofreboots and remakes with the
2009 reboot of Friday the
Steve (00:30):
13th.
Yes.
Before we get ready for campwhat's been making you happy?
My life.
So
Stephen (00:35):
I just finished the third in the initial Bayonetta
trilogy.
So Bayonetta three.
I just finished that and it wasreally good, I would say after
playing all of them that thesecond one is my favorite.
And it definitely looks likewe're moving in a new direction
(00:56):
for.
The fourth.
But it's a fun series.
It's very if you've ever playeda platinum game, it's very
platinum.
So be ready for a lots and lotsof action, but, It's a lot of
fun and the voice acting isamazing.
Excellent.
What's been making you happy?
My darling.
Sasha Colby, of course.
(01:19):
Our Queen.
Steve (01:20):
Sasha Colby.
Yes.
We had drag race season 15finale and after a very, very,
very long season, although Idon't it in the end, even though
they had more queens, prettymuch a queen went home every
week.
I wonder if it was any moreepisodes LA than last season or
just as many, or.
Stephen (01:38):
I honestly don't know.
It was probably just as manythough.
Yeah.
But,
Steve (01:42):
It all ended with Sasha winning the Crown and I love
that for her.
She was the clear and obviouschoice for me.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
I love Antra personally, andshe'll kill in all stars, but
you can't compete against Sasha.
It's just like an all winnerseason.
Oh
Stephen (01:56):
yeah.
And I do have to give mistresssome credit of all of the big
girls that.
Competed.
She is probably the mostwell-rounded and polished
Steve (02:09):
of any of them.
Yes.
Only she was a little bit nicer.
Yes.
And in her congenial era.
A little bit sooner.
Stephen (02:15):
Yes.
Oh, but.
Let's talk some Friday the 13th.
History
Steve (02:21):
sounds good.
I mean, I grew up knowing aboutthe series, but I wasn't too
involved with it for those Notin The Know.
Friday the 13th was the originalreleased in May of 1980, and it
started a franchise that has 12slasher films, a TV series,
novels, comic books, videogames, and Ty, me.
Yes.
And it was the most successfulhorror franchise until Halloween
(02:43):
came out on top with the 2018reboot.
Yes.
Stephen (02:46):
Because the Halloween 2018 movie made like$250
million.
Yes.
So it's gonna be hard foranybody to catch up to that.
Steve (02:54):
Exactly.
But yeah, I mean, I rememberhearing and like knowing about
who Jason was and even likeknowing that in the first one
that it was the mom from like,But if you had asked me like to
list my top five or top 10horror franchises that existed,
like it wouldn't have been on mypersonal list.
What
Stephen (03:12):
about you?
Well, so it's kind ofinteresting that you know, like
the Marvel versus DC debatetoday.
Yeah.
It was kind of a Freddie versusJason debate back in the
Steve (03:23):
day.
That is funny that theyultimately squared off then.
Yeah.
Stephen (03:26):
And so we were kind of a nightmare on Elm Street.
I saw some of the Friday, the13th movies.
I didn't see the original untilI was in my twenties.
Yeah.
And I have, you know, thoughtson how that one could have been
better.
It's a fun series.
Steve (03:47):
Yeah.
I mean, I know that for me, we,we did watch through them.
We, we
Stephen (03:52):
watched through all of them, including Jason X.
Yes.
Steve (03:57):
And so after doing that, I don't know whether it's
because they didn't age well,but, and I don't have the
nostalgia to like long for it,but like I didn't like that half
as much as I like my re watchesof like Nightmare in Om Street
and Chucky and all the otherones.
Stephen (04:14):
So the first four Friday the 13th movies, Hold up
better than everything after
Steve (04:22):
that.
Yeah.
Well, let's talk about whereJason has been before we figure
out where it'll go next.
I mean, the last time we sawhim, he squared off against
Freddie in 2000 threes, Freddieversus Jason.
And so tell us what you
Stephen (04:34):
think.
So the Freddie movies had movedinto kind of a full horror camp
by Jason X, or as I call it,Jason, in Space Lake Nightmare
Long Street.
It no longer had the scare.
Fans were sticking around forJason and the brutal kills.
Mm-hmm.
Freddie versus Jason was like aMarvel DC crossover.
(04:55):
It's fun, but it's not likely tohappen very often, and both
Freddy and Jason deserve to bedoing their own thing.
Outside of any crossover movies.
So where The Nightmare RemakeReboot was attempting to start
fresh, this one acknowledged thepast and was ready to take a new
step forward while still holdingonto their history some
Steve (05:18):
wise.
Yeah, I mean, could, could youhave continued the story after
the end of Freddie versus Jason?
Maybe,
Stephen (05:25):
but honestly, I don't think.
The best thing to do would be totreat it how DC does with their
Batman films like Dark Knight,like a
Steve (05:33):
duo here, a trilogy
Stephen (05:35):
there?
No.
Like Dark Knight versus Batmanand Justice League.
Oh, both of them are Batman, butnot the same Batman.
So that like Freddie versusJason was Jason, but not the
same Jason from all of the otherFred Friday movies.
Jason and the Reboot would bethe one from the other movies.
Steve (05:57):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, mark Wheaton's originalpitch to you new line was to
reboot the series with a newpart five, ignoring the original
new beginning and everythingthat happened after while
featuring a prologue showingJason VREs witnessing the murder
of his.
The characters who come toCrystal Lake then know of Jason
as they did in Friday the 13thparts, two 3D and four before.
(06:20):
He is not yet supernatural likehe was at six.
Yeah.
Or hadn't gone to space orbecome a Demonn worm or anything
like that, right?
Mm-hmm.
So to further suit the needs ofa reboot, Wheaton had four.
He's in the.
In first the canvas bag he wasin, in part two, only to replace
it with the hockey mask halfwaythrough the
Stephen (06:38):
film.
And honestly, that's the way Ithought of it.
This was if one through four hadexisted previously and the this
one was the next in line.
Kind of like how Halloween 2018said, okay, the first one
happened and now we're here.
Or H two O said one and twohappened and now we're here.
(06:58):
This honestly played to me as ifone through four exist.
And this was five.
That's how the lore
Steve (07:07):
worked.
And so in the, in your, in thistheory, the prequel that we see
in the beginning of the mom isdying just a flashback of the
first movie.
Yes.
And then that happened betweenor after the first movie and
then the other movies happened,and then this one happens.
Stephen (07:26):
So the, in the part that we saw with the mom, We saw
on screen.
Yeah.
At the end of the first movie,Jason also comes up out of the
water and grabs the girl.
Yeah.
Leading us to believe that hehad been alive the whole time.
Yeah.
So this kind of showed us ascene of him finding his
(07:46):
mother's body that we didn't seein the original movie and they
re-shot it.
So it was a cleaner.
Cool and more easily to be seen.
Steve (07:55):
Yes.
Well, it was released onFebruary 13th, 2009, which was a
Friday the 13th, as it alwaysshould be.
It was directed by Marcus Npeand produced by Sean Cunningham
and had the same team behindNightmare in Elm Street's.
Reboot from Platinum Dunes ofMichael Bay, Andrew Form, and
Brad
Stephen (08:12):
Fuller.
According to co-writer Damienand Shannon, the character of
Jason Borhes was ReenvisionedReenvisioned as more territorial
like a hunter.
Someone who doesn't kill peopleat random, but is gonna defend
his territory from anyoneevading it and in the most
horrible manner.
Director Marcus Nial.
(08:33):
Similar.
Similar, oh, that's a hard wordfor.
Similarly claims the film showsnew aspects of Jason's
personality.
Derek, me says His portrayal ofJason as a survivalist defending
his territory is partiallyinspired by the character of
John Rambo and First Blood.
I don't know that, so that's aSylvester Stallone movie.
(08:55):
He had the Rambo movies and thenhe had.
The Rocky movies.
The first Rambo movie was calledFirst Blood, and then it was
called Rambo First Blood Parttwo.
Gotcha.
Kind of like how the firstIndiana Jones movie is just
called Raiders of the Lost Ark,and then they add Indiana Jones
after
Steve (09:14):
that.
Gotcha.
Well, funny story.
The producer Michael Bay,allegedly walked out in the
movie premiere stating the moviefeatured too much sex,
Stephen (09:23):
which is funny because of all the slasher flicks of the
eighties that had largefollowings.
The Friday movies are most knownfor the most nudity and sex, and
that was how Jason got hisreputation for going after
Immoral Teens.
Steve (09:36):
Yes.
Well, this movie had a budget of19 million, which seems cheap
considering, right?
Absolutely.
And at a box office of 92.7million, which financially means
it made money.
But was this a success for fansand critics alike?
Stephen (09:50):
So that's another one where it has fans and critics
conflicted.
Critics hated it.
Fans said some say that it earnsits place along with the other
Friday movies.
Some were mad at, didn't have asupernatural Jason, and some
didn't care for Amanda Reti orthe mommy lookalike storyline.
(10:11):
But just kind of like how aftera decade the Nightmare remake
has been getting more respect.
There have been a lot of peoplelooking back at this movie
going, maybe we were too
Steve (10:25):
harsh.
Yes, and it's stars.
Jared Padalecki, Daniel BanBaker, Aaron, you, Amanda, rti,
Travis Van Weel, and Derek Mes.
Do any of these names or facesmean anything to you?
Stephen (10:40):
Jar Padalecki is from all 47 Seasons of Supernatural.
Yes, that sounds about right.
And Daniel Pana Baker is fromthe Flash TV series.
She was one of Team Flash andshe became the Chill or
Steve (10:54):
frost.
Oh, I liked her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't even notice that.
Stephen (10:56):
Yeah, I, there's some, she is a likable person in
general.
Yeah.
And like here and in Flash, I'malways like, I like you.
I think she's probably, at leastI hope so.
A good person and real life too.
Yeah.
Because that's how she comesacross on screen.
Steve (11:12):
Yeah.
Now what happened in this movie?
Oh,
Stephen (11:15):
goodness.
So, as you said On June 13th,1980, a young Jason Voorhees
watches as his mother Pamelabeheaded by a camp counselor who
was trying to escape Mrs.
Voorhis murder spree around CampCrystal Lake.
Steve (11:29):
Yeah, and this is pretty much the entire film's movie,
like how it all ends, right?
Stephen (11:34):
Yeah, pretty much.
It's the last 10 minutes of themovie condensed down to like
three minutes.
Yeah.
In the first movie.
What's interesting is that wenever see Mrs.
Vo.
Till the end when she's revealedas the killer.
Mm-hmm.
Like she wasn't even a characterin the movie till she was
revealed as the killer.
So all of her exposition at theend, which they replayed here.
(11:55):
Yeah.
Was pretty much all the fullstory the movie had and the fun
side note, the actress thatplayed the original Pamela of
Voorhis in the 90 said, I reallyfeel like you should have.
Somewhere else in the movie,like the kids go to a diner in
(12:15):
the beginning.
Yeah.
They're like, have me in thediner, giving them an evil side
eye or something like, but the,on the first time we see her on
screen, it's weird is the end.
So, It's one of those like wewere talking about in the murder
mystery
Steve (12:30):
where I like it when the whodunit is someone I know and
not just someone off the street.
Exactly.
Now Jason's still a child whodrowned but didn't die from
drowning, as it turns out.
Finds the locket his mother waswearing that, his pictures of
her from when she was youngerand the machete that was used to
kill his mother and deit.
(12:50):
He hears his mother's voice saythat he must kill for her, kill
for mommy, and punish them forwhat they've done.
Stephen (13:00):
Oh, Somebody has samami issues.
Yes.
Forever.
Steve (13:05):
Now, a almost 30 years later, a group of friends, Wade,
Richie, Mike, Whitney, andAmanda arrive at Crystal Lake on
a camping trip with a littleknown side quest to search from
marijuana growing in the woods.
Yeah.
Two
Stephen (13:20):
of them knew that there's supposed to be a huge
crop of marijuana.
Everyone else thinks thatthey're camping.
Steve (13:25):
Yes.
That night after finding the oldcabins from the camp, they recap
and flesh out the story from theopening going hunting for
marijuana.
One of the guys runs into Jasonin his burlaps sack.
Look who?
Which is creepy.
Yes.
Who kills him quickly andviolently.
Whitney and her boyfriend findan abandoned home and wonder if
a homeless person
Stephen (13:45):
lives there.
No, because then they wouldn'tbe homeless, which we both like
thought of and decided
Steve (13:50):
immediately at the same time.
Yeah.
Yes, and it's quickly becomesobvious.
This was Jason's home with hismother.
Yeah.
Now, have you ever explored anarea that a local urban legend
was based on?
Stephen (14:03):
Yes.
So spring Heights is a camp inmy hometown of Spencer, and
there was an old caretaker'scottage known as Hicks Kaan.
Mr.
Hick had been the caretaker ofthe camp, and the story says
that he killed his family andhung him.
In the, well that was rightoutside the house.
And you know, if you look downinto the, well, there's rotted
(14:23):
wood that looks like it wassomething holding it up.
And there's bits of rope inthere and stuff, and there's
stains in the attic of thecabin.
Yeah.
And whether any of it is true orjust a story used to scare
campers, it became local legendand told so many times that
anybody that has gone to camp.
(14:44):
Speaks it as if it's true.
Yeah.
Steve (14:46):
I mean, I got into like my love for horror.
Like I always was drawn to it,but I grew into it as I got
older.
Like I grew up 15, 20 minutesfrom Amityville, right.
And never went to the Amityvillehouse.
Really?
Like it just wasn't a thing.
Like I've been to hauntedplaces, but it's mostly like
with you where it's like tourguide.
They're like, that place ishaunted.
And we're like, Ooh.
(15:07):
But like I've never reallyexplored like a haunt like that,
and I think that be cool.
We'll have to
Stephen (15:11):
do one of those because I've told you about the time.
My friend Samantha and I spentthe night in a haunted church
rectory.
Steve (15:18):
Oh yeah.
I wanna be like, so terrifiedthat I pee myself a little bit.
Oh, now they mentioned how muchWhitney looks like Jason's
mother.
What a coincidence that Shirleywon't come into play.
Stephen (15:30):
Also, what I liked when they were look going through the
homeless person's house Yes.
Is that there's a collection ofcamp whistles that can I only,
that can I, that I can only.
Are trophies from dead campcounselors that Jason and his
mom took care of,
Steve (15:46):
must have.
Now meanwhile, Amanda and Richieare having sex in their tents,
so they obviously get murderedbecause a horny Jason isn't
angry.
Jason.
True story.
The guy gets stuck in a beartrap while Amanda burnt to death
in a sleeping bag over acampfire.
Okay, that.
Was
Stephen (16:00):
cool and awful.
Like I don't know what it isabout people burning to death,
but that's right up there withmy list of, oh God, please
Steve (16:09):
know.
I know.
And it was so effective.
And you didn't even need to seeit uhhuh like inside the bag or
anything, like it was just a wayto keep it minimal.
Yeah.
Well, very effective.
So a plus on that, I'd say thatwas my favorite death of the
movie.
Stephen (16:23):
With Whitney.
With just Whitney and herboyfriend left, Jason goes after
them in his house.
He decides to play the floorslava by jamming his machete up
through the floorboards, tryingto imal anyone that's on the
floor.
Boyfriend gets stabbed multipletimes.
Then Jason breaks through thefloor and drags the boyfriend
down to kill him.
Jason then chases Whitneythrough the woods, and were led
(16:45):
to believe that he kills her.
Steve (16:47):
Yes.
And do you wish that any ofthese groups survived or were
they just trophy cannon fodder?
Okay,
Stephen (16:53):
so Whitney and her boyfriend were the only ones
that.
Actual character personalities.
The others were just trophycannon fodder.
So Whitney and her boyfriendcould have survived and been
real characters.
The rest were just screaming,kill me, kill me, kill
Steve (17:12):
me.
Yes.
We now get the title card, whichdoesn't appear until 25 minutes
into the movie, making it one ofthe longest prologues in any
horror film.
And that
Stephen (17:21):
is kind of crazy.
It
Steve (17:23):
doesn't, it almost feels like a part one.
Like the way that I know youread it, like all of the other
movies make sense and happenedin the world.
Like the way that I read thisis, this is like retelling one
through four of like, like theone was basically told in the
opening like three minutes.
Yeah.
And then this is going on tolike kind of what happens next,
(17:45):
but like it progresses.
Yeah.
I didn't see it that way.
Well, that's.
Now, six weeks later, Whitney'sbrother, clay Miller, played by
Supernatural guy, arrives by thelake to search for her and has
the pleasure of running intoTrent, the douche bag, his quasi
girlfriend.
Question Mark.
Jenna?
Stephen (18:04):
Yeah.
The girl next door type where wecan't understand why she is
potentially with Trent.
Yes.
And friends.
Chelsea, a girl who just wantsto be bad played.
Bad girl.
Pop Singer Will
Steve (18:17):
Ford.
Well, that was the joke.
Her song was, I just wanna bebad.
Oh, I didn't wanna be bad.
It makes me feel so good.
Stephen (18:27):
Yeah.
You know how much of a willafford fan I am.
Then I had
Steve (18:30):
her single and I definitely played it a lot.
I was like, I'm gonna be bad.
Just like Willa Ford.
Stephen (18:39):
There was Bree who just wants to have fun and be Trent's
side.
And Chewy, the Stoner Nolan, thedude bro boyfriend of Chelsea
and Lawrence, who wants us toknow that he's more than just
the token black eye.
Yes.
And he has the most potential ofany of them characterized to not
(19:00):
be.
Almost.
Steve (19:02):
Yeah.
But yes.
Other than Clay who we're like,that's an actor we know.
So he'll probably be something.
Yeah.
Any other standouts right offthe batch For, honestly,
Stephen (19:10):
for this new crew, Jenna immediately let us know
that she's a character thatwe're allowed to like, And the
others are making sure that weknow that there are stereotypes
and will not make it to the endof the movie.
And Trent is such an awfulperson that you can't forget him
because he makes such a hugepresence of himself and you're
immediately wishing for his
Steve (19:29):
death.
Yes.
And while they're both going tothe same place, they don't each
know it, but we do.
But there's also a delay becauseClay gets pulled over by
detective bracket who's.
Who gives'em a hard time for nottrusting them when they say they
can't find his sister and she'snot here.
And to give up looking.
Stephen (19:46):
Detective Brock's role was filled by Richard Bergy just
12 hours before he was to shoothis scenes.
And we know Richard Bergy fromDesperate Housewives and he was
a standup guy there.
And yeah, and he's known to be aquality actor, so I buy.
Being able to step in lastminute.
Steve (20:05):
Yes.
And in the opening scenes,Whitney felt guilty that she was
leaving her mother at home,though she had a caregiver while
her mom was battling cancer.
And it turns out that theirmother died in the last 45 days.
And Whitney not showing up forthe funeral is not something she
would do.
Absolutely.
Now at the cabin, we have moretime to look deep into the teens
character, both who they trulyare uniquely as individuals, as
(20:30):
well as the inner and complexdepths of their inner working
relationships with one another.
Absolutely.
Just kidding.
It's fluff about them gettinghigh in fucking each other.
Yep.
Stephen (20:40):
One thing this movie definitely has going against it
is that in order there for thereto be enough kill, They have to
have more characters, but indoing so, there isn't enough
time to flesh them out.
So we get many caricatures thatwe don't care about.
So the deaths are justentertaining and nothing we feel
bad about.
That's one of the differenceswith the nightmare on Elm Street
(21:02):
movies.
Yeah, because like, okay, withthese, if Jason finds you and
hunts you, most likely you're.
In the nightmare movies, youhave a chance to wake up.
Yeah.
And so you can interact withFreddy multiple times.
Usually.
Don't get that in these movies.
Steve (21:18):
No, not so much.
Now Clay goes to an oldfarmhouse to ask about Whitney
being missing.
She ain't
Stephen (21:24):
missing, she's dead.
People go missing around here.
They gone for good.
Outsiders come, they don't knowwhere to walk.
They bring trouble.
We just want to be left alone.
And so does he.
Now, I love adding to the lorethat yes, they all know about
Jason, but none of them want todie, so they just live their
(21:46):
lives and let him live his.
What happens to outsiders istheir problem.
So if you knew there was a massmurderer living on the same lake
as you, but if you didn't botherhim, he would let you live.
Would you stay or would you notwanna risk it?
And you'd.
Steve (22:05):
I would stay if it helped lower my property taxes, I would
think that it would, I thinkyou'd be able to get a great
deal on a house if your nextdoor neighbor was Jason
Voorhees,
Stephen (22:25):
and you know, you could.
Call people and be like, Hey,you wanna meet me for a picnic
at the lake?
Make sure to go down by thesouth side and take that trail.
It's easily marked.
I promise.
I'll meet you down there.
And just so that they get killedand their bodies are never
Steve (22:42):
found.
Yeah, exactly.
I think I see, I see actuallysome pros here.
Actually I'm starting to did Didyou go into this thinking it was
an obvious No, I did, but no.
No.
And actually there's some perksto having it.
It's like having like a bigger,scarier guard dog for your
neighborhood, the neighbor.
Imagine having Jason on yourneighborhood watch.
You'd have the safestneighborhood.
(23:03):
So
Stephen (23:04):
Jason is always on night patrol, everyone.
That's taken care of.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
No, but I do love this.
So it is like those first fourmovies have happened and they're
all like, we just leave himalone.
We just leave him alone.
Y'all are the ones that arebringing this to him.
Yeah.
Steve (23:23):
And the friends are having fun.
Trent, a buzz killed douche bagand we can't wait for him to
die.
Jenna appears to be datingTrent, but it doesn't appear to
be serious or that it's beengoing on for a while.
We're not sure or that eitherone is casually invested in it.
Clay visits Trent Cabin andJenna agrees to help him search
for Whitney on the other side,the lake.
Despite trans lack of enthusiasmwith this plan on the way Clay
(23:47):
talks to his sister and hisguilt for leaving her behind
when he left.
Now as much as Trent is a douchebag and I hate him and I can't
wait for Jason to kill him, cuzyou know that he will be dead.
Yeah.
At some point in time, how wouldyou feel if some hot rando on a
motorcycle knocked on our doorand was like, can you come help
me look for my sister?
And I was like, peace out babe.
Yeah.
I don't think I'd
Stephen (24:06):
care for that part.
But even before Jenna goes offwith him, Trent is a dick for no
reason to clay twice now.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Anything that would happenbetween Clay and Jen and Janelle
is karma for Trent being.
And the way he talks to people,including Jenna.
She seems like a good person andI'm not sure, and I'm not really
seeing what draws her to him.
(24:27):
And the more I've thought aboutit, the more I'm starting to
think of maybe he invited herbecause he's trying to make
something happen with her.
Steve (24:35):
Or like, I mean, did we ever see them kiss her, get
physical?
I'm almost wondering whetherthey're childhood best friends
and she's just putting up withhis dickery.
Stephen (24:41):
It could be the closest they had to anything.
Romantic or
Steve (24:47):
was in the opening or the near the beginning, I would say.
Like when they
Stephen (24:50):
were sitting outside by the tree.
Yeah.
And that's about it.
Steve (24:53):
Yes.
Now as they searched, Jasonkills that neighbor who was so
polite to the guy earlier whilehe gets sexual with the
mannequin, he lost his virginitytoo, taking the opportunity to
upgrade it.
His mask to the hockey mask netwe all love in fear.
Stephen (25:09):
In this movie, Jason wears both the legendary hockey
mask and the burlaps.
Although neither of thoseappeared in the original Friday
the 13th because it was PamelaVoorhis.
The burlap sack was the firstmask worn by Jason in Friday the
13th, part two in 1981, and thehockey mask did not appear until
(25:29):
the final third of Friday the13th, part three.
Steve (25:33):
I love the burlap sack.
And the hockey mask, both fortheir own reasons, but the
Burlaps sack now just makes methink of Chainsaw Guy and
Resident Evil four.
Yes.
Stephen (25:43):
And it, it also is kind of reminiscent to the strangers.
Steve (25:48):
Yeah.
Now Trenton, his friendscontinue to get drunk while
Jason goes after Chelsea andNolan as they wakeboard on the
lake.
Nolan gets spirit in the headcausing the boat to bash Chelsea
in the head as she swims outaway from Jason under a dock.
She accidentally queefs in thebubbles alert Jason to her
presence leading her to get amachete in the head.
Oh, poor girl.
(26:09):
I know that.
It wasn't the Queef that did thebubbles.
It was his magic bad guy.
Instincts.
Stephen (26:13):
Yeah.
Will afford Had to learn how towakeboard for this.
Ultimately, she said doing ittopless was the hardest part,
but it is a Friday, the 13thmovie.
So unnecessary topless scenesare
Steve (26:25):
required.
Yes.
And she had nice
Stephen (26:27):
boobs.
She paid good money
Steve (26:29):
for them.
Yes.
Now Clay and Jenna searched theold crystal link.
We're both on fire tonight.
Clay and Jenna search the oldCrystal Lake campgrounds where
they see Jason hauling a bodyinto an abandoned camp.
Jason sees Clay's bag.
He turns on all the power beginstearing apart the area looking
(26:49):
for them, but they get away.
Jenna and Clay run to the warand the others of how Jason and
along the way almost learnedthat Whitney's alive and being
kept under some old miningtunnels because she reminds
Jason of Mommy.
Whitney goes through Clay's bagand fit Jason Toss and realize
he's here looking for
Stephen (27:05):
her.
Okay.
This at this part, it's alsointeresting.
Jason's not an idiot, like a,he's survived that long, but
he's smart enough to have riggedup all the power.
Yeah.
And all that kind of stuff.
So this is definitely like,sometimes he's portrayed as a
(27:28):
mindless killer, but he has somehunting intelligence.
Yes.
Steve (27:35):
For sure.
And were you surprised to findWhitney
Stephen (27:38):
Alive?
Yes and no.
Since they didn't show us thedeath and these movies loved
show the Gratuitous Kills, weshould have known that there was
a chance she was still alive.
Mm-hmm.
But like as it went to thecredits, It just seemed like
that was the end for Whitney.
Yes,
Steve (27:56):
I agree.
And what would you rather do bekilled violently but quickly by
Jason or be his prisoner slashmother figure for six weeks like
that?
Stephen (28:07):
I'm gonna go with Prisoner since being alive means
you have a chance to live and heisn't harming or abusing her
like sexually.
Other than keeping herhandcuffed, which is physical
abuse.
So she seems to be in good
Steve (28:22):
health.
I know I just, there have beentimes in my life where I
would've said, just take me,Jesus.
Just put the machete through myhead.
I would fight for it.
Now, I would be really upset ifit was a full six weeks, cuz I
have GSM and like.
That time you'd
Stephen (28:36):
get out just in time.
I know
Steve (28:38):
I have things to plan and get ready.
I can't be held captive by JasonVoy.
So no camping ground trips thisweekend.
Stephen (28:45):
Well, Jenna and Clay arrive and warn the others, but
Trent and Bri are too busyhaving sex, and maybe that's
either loud or Trent isn'tJenna's boyfriend because she
doesn't seem to care whatthey're doing.
It's weird.
Chewy goes to find tools to fixTrent's family heirloom.
That's also a chair where Jasonfinds and kills him with a long
(29:05):
screwdriver thing before cuttingthe power to the house.
Jason sees Bree and Trent havingsex, and we know with his
morality code that it means theyare now marked to die.
Not like they weren't already.
Yes,
Steve (29:18):
Lauren's goes to find Chewy and gets an ax in the back
as Jason uses him as bait.
But when no one cares enough tosave him, he gets imp.
Now, other than me, obviously,how many others in our life
would you run out there to tryand save?
I gave this a lot of thought.
Yes.
Five.
I would say probably around thetwo or three, and I'm not naming
(29:41):
names.
Me eating now.
Jason then sneaks inside andWait, hold on.
I just had this image.
Like I was like, obviously Remycan't get like a big old spear,
but I was like, what if he got agremlin spear in like the
gremlin from the Gremlin moviewith the little, like remember
where they had the littlecrossbo that was a gremlin size?
I was like, if he got a gremlinsize crossbo in him, I had to
(30:02):
run out and save him from agremlin.
So maybe three.
Stephen (30:08):
I Remy was in my list of five, just
Steve (30:10):
so you know.
Okay, sounds good.
Now Jason then sneaks inside andkills Bree silently in the
bathroom.
Detective Brack arrives, butgets harpooned through the eye.
He didn't see that coming,
Stephen (30:22):
which also makes sense that he was in two scenes in the
movie.
So it is okay that he only gotthe role a day before.
Steve (30:31):
Yes.
Trent Clay and Jenna escaped thecabin, but Trent has killed when
he reaches the main road becausehe didn't trust the tow truck
driver.
And would you have trusted thetow truck driver?
He was being really sketchy.
Stephen (30:44):
At this point, yes.
Yeah.
Because we have no evidence thatJason can drive.
Yeah.
So and it's not like what we hadseen with like Texas Chainsaw
Massa, where there's a wholefamily helping leather face.
So at this point I would'vebeen.
Running up there going, oh,thank God.
Let me in and yeah.
(31:05):
Go, go, go.
Yeah.
Or even just hopping onto themap going, just drive.
Just drive.
Exactly.
But then when you do that,you're more likely to die.
Or even if he had gotten in thetruck, there could have been
that hand in through the windowto rip him out.
Steve (31:19):
Yes, exactly.
And I normally be applaudingTrent's death, but I also feel
bad that that poor old man hasto drive off with that Dick's
body impaled on the back of his.
Not cool unless maybe it's thatguy's thing.
Stephen (31:32):
Oh, and so I definitely think the guy is a local because
as soon as he stalled Jason, hestarted driving off, but not
ridiculously fast.
Not,
Steve (31:40):
oh my God.
A kid was just inhaled on theback of my truck fast.
Not at all.
It was like a, oh, that Jason'sat it again.
I'm just gonna keep going.
Or
Stephen (31:49):
Oh, I don't want him mad at me for trying to help
those kids.
Steve (31:52):
Yeah, exactly.
Now Jason Chases Clay and Jennaback to the campgrounds where
Clay discovers Jason's lairunder the family house and finds
his sister chain to a wall.
Clay frees Whitney and all threetry to escape.
As Jason arrives, they finds anexit, but Jenna is killed before
she escapes.
And were you surprised byJenna's death?
She seemed final girlish to me,but I guess with Whitney back
(32:17):
there can only be one.
Stephen (32:19):
So I'm definitely surprised by Jenna.
She wins the Helen Shivers Awardfor the most undeserved death
scene.
Mm-hmm.
I totally thought she was afinal girl and because, you
know, we made it through severalscreen movies where it didn't
have to be a final girl.
I mean, we had Sydney and Gail.
And Dewey for a while.
(32:40):
Yeah, there's no reason itcouldn't have been three.
Now, I will say that whenever heimpaled her, whatever he impaled
her with was very, very thin.
So she might have lived if Clayhadn't accidentally knocked over
a lantern and starting to firein the tunnels, which probably
burned her alive because shewasn't dead yet.
Well,
Steve (32:58):
that's darker.
I hope she died by Jason's hand.
The emerge they emerge from thetunnel In an old camp bus, Jason
throws clay like a ragdoll, andWhitney manages to escape.
The duo make it to the barn ofthe former mannequin molester.
Jason Corners Clay and Whitney.
And just as Jason is about toput clay in a wood chipper,
(33:20):
Whitney confuses Jason bypretending to be Pamela, then
stabs him in the chest with hisown machete.
Clay clamps a bear trap on hisshoulder and wrap chain around
him and tosses the end into thewood tripper.
It strangles Jason, but stopsjust short of cutting the top of
his head to bits.
Stephen (33:40):
The next morning, clay and Whitney dump Jason's quote
corpse into the lake.
The mask floats to the bottom.
Whitney tosses the lock it in aswell.
It's a beautiful morning.
But before they leave, Jasonburst through the wooden dock
and grabs Whitney as the screenfades to black.
Steve (33:57):
Yeah.
Now, why would they drag him outto the docks to dump his body
when the wood chipper was rightthere?
Put his brains in it.
Bring his brains to bits.
Stephen (34:07):
I mean, honest to goodness, his scalp was about an
inch from the things.
Yeah, just push it.
Yeah.
A little nudge.
Just like we.
If Lori Strode can do it, youall can do it.
Steve (34:20):
Exactly.
They hadn't done it yet, Iguess, but now they know they
can.
Yeah.
Stephen (34:24):
Final thoughts?
So I thought it was a superenjoyable movie.
I thought it was a higherquality than most of the Friday
the 13th movies, especially anyof.
That came after the first four.
Steve (34:41):
Yes.
Some of them were really
Stephen (34:43):
rough.
Yeah.
So honestly I thought it wasgood.
I was expecting us to have moreafter
Steve (34:53):
this.
Yes.
And including this remake, Jasonhas now officially killed over
200 people
Stephen (35:00):
and he had the lead, from what I understand, until
the Halloween trilogy.
Right.
And the first responder seenalone.
Push Pushed Michael pushedMichael up.
Steve (35:12):
Oh, over the end.
Yeah.
Yes.
Now what's next?
Stephen (35:16):
So, a follow up to this was slated for release on
October 13th, 2017.
Eight years after.
Mm-hmm.
And was also set to go intoproduction in a matter of weeks.
But in February of 2017, it wasannounced that Paramount had
pulled the plug on the project.
To move forward with DarrenAronofsky's horror film Mother,
(35:37):
which failed at the box office
Steve (35:39):
as well as with us.
Yes.
Now from a January, 2023Collider article, because of a
legal battle between theoriginal films director, Sean S.
Cunningham, and writer VictorMiller, the franchise has been
in a standstill for the lastnumber of years.
Bands have recently started tosee some light at the end of
this horrific tunnel with theannouncement that Miller was
developing a Crystal Lakeprequel.
(36:01):
With Hannibal's, Brian Fullerand a 22, which seems cool,
Stephen (36:06):
and Cunningham is also working on a reboot to Friday
the 13th with writer Jeff Lockerand director Jeremy Weiss.
The trio developed the ideaafter working together on the
upcoming horror film, the NightDriver.
Steve (36:21):
Cool.
So what do you hope for theseries
Stephen (36:23):
future?
So I'm all good if they rebootthe series, acknowledging the.
We're the first four and thenthis one.
So like make it like the firstfour that we saw in the early
eighties, and then this one, andjust go from there.
Halloween 2018 has shown us thatthere's life left in the OG
(36:43):
slasher movies.
If they are handled correctlyand with a consistent vision,
Steve (36:50):
well we shall see how it goes.
But until then, you know what?
I know we can always count.
Our listeners, yes, and we'dlove to hear what you thought
about the movie, as well as thisepisode by giving us an email at
happy life pod gmail.com.
Stephen (37:04):
Or you can get in touch with us on all the socials,
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Steve (37:12):
Pod.
And until next time, everybodystay happy
Stephen (37:17):
and alive.
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