Why Do You Do What You Do? A Journey To Finding Purpose

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Scott Maderer (00:01):
I was a school teacher at the time.
We had about 50 some oddthousand dollars in debt and at
that time I made about $40,000 ayear.
And I began to feel, like youknow, I wasn't doing a good job
as a provider and I fell into apretty dark place.
I'd hatched this plan to drivethe car off of a cliff on the
windy road so that it would looklike I'd just fallen asleep,

(00:24):
and had this plan because Ifigured that would give us
enough money that my wife couldpay off the debt, she could take
care of the son and she'd befine.
So I used to listen to talkradio on the way home.
And here are these idiotstalking about getting out of
debt and changing their lives,and I'm like yelling at the
radio.
You know, nobody can live likethis.
What are you talking about?
Because of that I was like well, wait a minute, maybe there is
something to this.

(00:45):
Welcome to the New Horizonspodcast.

Shawna (Mrs.KillerB) (00:48):
I'm Brian Curee and I'm Shauna Curee, also
known as Mr and Mrs Killer B,in virtual reality.
So this podcast is recordedlive from the metaverse at the
Killer B studios where real lifestories and experiences are
shared in a way only themetaverse can offer.

Brian (Mr.KillerB) (01:05):
With that, let's go ahead and dive in to
today's episode.

Look at all these amazing people, hey
there's everybody.

I was delayed.
This is delivery, Sorry.
Some confetti for everybodyover there.
Some confetti.
Hold on Smith right here, Okaythere you go, smith and some
Yvonne up there.
Our guest tonight is Scott bear.
Uh, our guest tonight is ScottMaderer.
See, I, I can do that name, Ican do it.
That's right.
Not like, not like Maderer,it's Maderer.

(01:31):
So later we were just, we werejust talking outside about the
cars movie, right, because hesaid that that helps him, help
people learn how to pronouncehis name, his last name, exactly
, yes, so how many of you throwsome confetti if you've seen the
car movie and you know whoMaderer is?
All right, ok, all right.
All right, all right, wait aminute.
Oh, can I say something?

Yes, if you have not seen Cars, you have
to see it.
It's like classic.
I mean not classic in the waywe know, classic, but like
classic Disney or Pixar.

I think it's actually Pixar.
It is Pixar, you're Pixar.
I think it's actually Pixar.
It is Pixar.
You're right, I think it'sPixar, yeah.
Ignore what I said yes, andthey have classic cars on there
too, so I guess kind of classicit must be Disney and Pixar,
because they have the carsection in Disney.

Remember.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's a whole different
.
Yeah, we're.
Yeah, there's something behindthat.
I can't remember what it was,but yeah, they partnered, maybe
it was both they partnered sorryguys did they partner for that
movie, did they?
Partner should I google it?
while you're talking no, don'tgoogle it, I think Deeenr is.
She was looking at her wrist.
Well, our guest tonight, ScottMaderer.

(02:41):
He is the author.
He's not not on the Cars, pixarmovie or Disney movie.
He's not on that.
He is an author of the bookInspired Living.
So I'm excited to have him comeout here in a little while.
But tonight's topic we're goingto be talking about why do you
do what you do?
Now I want to ask everybody inthe audience, by throwing some

(03:03):
confetti, how many of you, howmany out here, has ever found
themselves asking why am I doingthis?
Anybody?
Okay, all right, okay, so wegot okay, there we go.
Yeah, we got a few people outhere.
I get it.
I can now imagine.
Here's what I was thinking.
I met with Scott a while backabout coming and talking about
his story and sharing what hedoes, and it made me think about

(03:27):
just taking some time toimagine if we've all kind of
been there where we've thoughtwhy am I doing this?
Why am I here right now?
Why am I doing this?
And now imagine what it wouldfeel like if your day or if your
life was aligned with yourpurpose, not just your calendar
Now was aligned with yourpurpose, not just your calendar.
Now, mrs Killer Bee, I know howmany here are digital calendar

(03:48):
people, how many here usecalendars.
Throw some confetti, usecalendars, okay.

NoThumbGamer (Live Q/A) (03:53):
How many?

of you Paper calendars, throw some confetti.
Oh okay, you're not alone, mrsKiller Bee, mrs Killer.

Bee does not like digital calendars.

She does not like them, but I think that's
something that we've talkedabout definitely in the past and
something that I've learnedmore and more about.
Our calendars can become sofull of a bunch of stuff that's
just keeping us busy and I knowwe're going to talk about that
more Now.
Scott, he actually went througha financial crisis and there
might be some here tonight orlistening on the podcast that

(04:25):
can relate to that but he wentthrough a financial crisis and
he got to a place in his lifewhere he was just burnt out.
He found purpose in this andI'm interested to hear him share
that story and how he now heactually helps others.
Now, today, he helps othersstop working.
I like how he said this.
He says I help others stopworking and start living their

(04:47):
calling.
Now, I know that's aninteresting thing to probably
dissect and discuss.
But, mrs Killer Bee, before webring out Scott, I think you're
going to love this guest Becausehe said something else to me.
This was during our Zoommeeting, as we were talking
about him coming on being aguest.

He said this I think I know what it is.
What is it, I guess?
Did you look?
Did you look at my?
I think he said yeah, I did.
I think he said you should letyour wife buy as many plants as
she wants that is not at allwhat he said, I'm sure I'm gonna
check with him when he gets outhere.
I thought that's what I heardhim say.

No, that's not what he said at all.
What he said, you should hitthe wah-wah on that, dean or not
?
A pause.

No, not necessary.

He actually said books change lives.
Oh well, I'm all in on that too.
Yes, absolutely yeah.
If Mrs Killer Bee has a lot ofanything, it's plants and books,
that's for sure, but I thoughtit'd be cool to actually even
talk to him about that as well.
So with that, you guys, this isScott first time in the

(05:54):
metaverse, so let's reign himwith some confetti.
We're going to get ready tobring him out.
So, Deeenr, can you go aheadand hit the guest music there?
It is All right.
Let's bring out our guest,Scott Maderer, to the Killer Bee
Studios.
Everybody throw some confettifor Scott.
Let's see, make sure he makesit out here.
There he is, oh yeah, noproblem.

(06:15):
Scott, how are you doing, man?
We're so glad you're heretonight Doing great, and look, I
didn't actually come out herewithout falling, and look, I
didn't actually come out herewithout falling.

That's always good.
Absolutely no problemwhatsoever.

Scott, we're so glad you're here.
You joined us tonight.
You know people don't know likesome of the stuff we have to do
for preparations.
They do know that I have tolike that I create people's
avatars and you guys I have to.
I always tell myself I'm likean open book.
It was like 10 minutes before,or maybe five minutes before,

(06:47):
Scott was supposed to meet us inhere and I was like, oh, I
forgot to update his avatar.
He's gonna come in as a girl.
I gotta fix this.
But luckily he had alreadycaught that and done some work
his own and uh, so I was able toscan his picture and make sure
he was safe, because I was like,oh my gosh, someone that
doesn't never been in here,they're gonna come in like I
don't know what to do.
So, Scott, we, we are so gladyou're here and and that you
look like yourself well, as yourcartoon self, so well, yeah I

(07:10):
look like my, like my avatar,self right is that?
yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Uh, Scott, would you uh, we'reglad you're here would you take
about 30 seconds?
Just tell us all a little bitabout Scott sure?

so yeah, my name is Scott Maderer.
I live in Central Texas with mywife.
I have an adult son who livesabout three hours away from us.
For some reason he wanted tomove to where his girlfriend was
going to college instead ofstaying close to mom and dad.
I don't really understand that,but yeah, but you know how that
works.
I've been a school teacher inmy life.

(07:44):
I did that for about 16 years.
I have a background in science,so I taught science for 16
years.
I taught middle school, Itaught high school and then I
went into the corporate world.
I did that for 11 years workingin, still in education, but I
went from teaching to testing.
In the words of my students, Ijoined the dark side.

So, I'm not sure why they said that.

But you know how that works.
So I eventually was in seniorleadership and flying all over
the country doing a lot ofcorporate work, had a big team,
did all of that.
And as I kind of went on thatjourney, I began to do a lot of
work on self-development andleadership and communication and
all of these sorts of things.
And my wife and I, youmentioned went through a
financial period of our own andsome struggles and I know we'll
talk more about that in a minuteand through that people started

(08:34):
coming to me and saying, hey,can you help me?
Y'all are doing somethingdifferent, you act different,
you look different, You'rebehaving different.
Can you help me?
And so we started doing that.
And then I realized, hey, waita minute, I'm coaching.
I just didn't know that waswhat they called it, but that's
what I'm doing.
And so eventually I startedcoaching on the side and that
has now turned into my full-timebusiness.

(08:56):
So I've been doing it full-timesince 2017, worked with folks
in 20 countries, 38 states andover a000 clients during that
length of time.

Wow, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
Well, and you have a book out,right, it's called.
Okay, now I remember what it'scalled Inspired Living.

Inspired Living.
And then the subtitle isAssembling the Puzzle of your
Calling by Mastering your Time,your Talent and your Treasures.

This is going to be an interesting
conversation.

I like this.
I like this.
Okay, so can we?
Can we touch on your yourstatement about books change
lives before we get into yourstory?
Or is that part of your story?

No, absolutely not, we can talk about that.
So, and it is part of my storytoo.
So, when I mentioned that I wastrying to learn more about
communication, learn more aboutthese things, one of the things
that I discovered is that youcould actually get mentored by
some of the best thinkers in theworld by reading books, you

(10:00):
know, and that idea of ofreaders or leaders and leaders
are readers, is something thatreally resonated with me.
I've always been a reader.
I actually came home from, Ibelieve it was kindergarten or
first grade, and I was angrybecause I'd been in school for a
whole week and they hadn'ttaught me how to read.
Yet you know which?
I mean geez, you know sevenwhole days.
I mean, surely we could do it bythen, and so I've always been a

(10:22):
reader, I've always beensomebody who did that, because,
at the end of the day, when you,when you find a way to get, to
get thoughts and to get ideas, Ifound that books are really one
of the most efficient ways ofdoing it.
You know, by the way, it wasn'tplants, I actually said you
could buy as many books as youwanted.

That's, that's actually what I mean.
Okay, I'm fine with that.
Yeah, I'm good with that, youcan work with that.

She's like.
I'll take that.
I can work with that.
How many book readers do wehave here, like throw some
confetti?
Anybody in here love readingbooks?
Okay, iris, yvonne.
Okay, no thumb.

Okay, no, no thumb okay, awesome are you
guys?
How many of you are audiobookreaders like or, I guess,
listeners?

I like audiobooks too yeah I like
audiobooks, I'll take themanyway.

I can get them yeah I've gotten much more where
I do audiobooks that it seemslike the older I've gotten, the
more I've switched over to doingmore audiobooks.
And also when I was incorporate and traveled all the
time, I started moving to ebooksand audio books because I could
take I could take 10 of thosewith me and it wasn't filling up
an extra suitcase.

Yeah, that definitely is.
Kindles are nice.
I I kind of like for me.
It takes me a long time to reada book, uh, but I will.
I can listen to audio book,audiobook, but then I like to
take a note so I end up buyingboth.
Yeah, it's like I like beingable to look back and look at
the notes and stuff like that.

So there's actually many books where I have
an electronic version withnotes in it.
I have a hard copy version onthe shelf that has notes in it
and I have the audiobook versionthat I'll listen to as well, so
if it's really a good book andI've gotten a lot of impact.
I end up with three copies ofit, more often than not.

That's awesome.
Do authors ever I wonder ifthey ever thought like, hey,
somebody might actually buy allthree versions of this book?

Oh, sure, yeah.
It happens, I mean it'sdefinitely something that well,
and hard copying electronic orhard copying audiobook is not
nowadays is not uncommon at allanymore.

Yeah, that makes sense well, that's,
that's cool.

Yeah, well, I knew mrs killer b was gonna
love just that statement.
She's like okay, we got thewhole show, just like that.
Books, you know, we can changeyour lives.
Uh, my brothers will tell youit definitely will.
Because, like she, when wemoved to a, we moved to like a,
a three story house, and all theway up in the attics.
That's where she wanted herlibrary.
So and she had how many I don'tknow how many books you have.
They were carrying all thesebooks.

Yeah, it was a beautiful loft with
windows and bench seats and likewindow seats.
It was absolutely gorgeous.
It was going to be myhomeschool room, so, yeah, I had
hundreds and hundreds of books.
That's where I wanted them.
Then it turns out it was like ahouse that was built in like
1896, I believe and so of course, it's not that big of a

(13:15):
surprise that it wasn't heatedor cooled, and so there was
basically no time we could be upthere and it would be
comfortable, so all my books satup there alone.
I would just have to go up andget the ones I needed.
So, yeah, they moved all thosebooks up there for absolutely no
reason or things.

Changed their lives, definitely changed
their lives.
We still hear them complainabout the hernia surgery.

You know how that goes.

Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, they still talk aboutthat.
That was a long time ago.

Yes, they still talk about that.
That was a long time ago.
Yes, they do.
Well, Scott, can you take usback to that, to that moment of
your financial pain and yourpersonal crisis, like, what was
that season like and how did itbecome a turning point in your
life?

Absolutely so.
My wife and I were married.
I was a school teacher at thetime, so this is back in the
days when I was still teachingschool full time and at that
time I was really involved inscience fairs and because of
that I ended up staying longhours after school working with
the kids or working on projectsand then I would basically drive

(14:18):
home late at night.
My wife and I lived at thattime out in the middle of
nowhere, so we lived an hourfrom everything.
I drove two hours to go to anhour from everything.
I drove two hours to go toschool, to work.
I drove an hour to go to thegrocery store.
You know, when I say we livedout in the country, we lived out
in the country and it was along, windy road home and at the
time we were building a house,we were going through a lot of

(14:40):
other things and we had about 50, some odd thousand dollars in
debt and at that time I madeabout $40,000 a year.
So you know, I'm basically havemore debt than we had money.
We had just gotten pregnantwith our son she's expecting and
I began to feel like I think alot of men do that.

(15:01):
You know I wasn't doing a goodjob as a provider, I wasn't
taking care of my family.
You know, here we have thisdebt, here we have I'm not
making any money, I'm not ableto give my family the things
that they need or they want, andI fell into a pretty, pretty
dark place, pretty deepdepression, and because of that
I began to have thoughts ofbasically taking my own life.

(15:29):
I'd hatched this plan to drivethe car off of a cliff on the
windy road so that it would looklike I'd just fallen asleep and
insurance would pay out, andall that.
I've learned things since abouthow insurance works.
And it turns out I'm glad Ididn't know this at the time,
but it turns out.
It would have paid outregardless.
But I had this plan because Ifigured that would give us
enough money that my wife couldpay off the debt, she could take
care of the son and she'd befine.
And my wife will tell you thatI'm an idiot because you know,

(15:53):
obviously she would rather haveme than the money from a life
insurance policy.
But at the time that's not,that's not how I felt, that's
not how I was processing it,that's not the thoughts that
were going on in my head andbecause of that, you know, I
kind of kept spiraling andgetting darker and darker.
They changed the radio lineup,so I used to listen to talk

(16:15):
radio on the way home, notbecause I like talk radio, but
because hearing someone talkingwould keep me awake and the
music would put me to sleep.
So I was listening to talk radio, just because that would keep
me awake.
They changed the lineup andthey put on at the time the Dave
Ramsey show.
I had never heard this before.
And here are these idiotstalking about getting out of
debt and changing their livesand financial free.

(16:37):
You know all of these thingsand I'm like yelling at the
radio.
You know, nobody can live likethis.
What are you talking about?
And I realized after listeningto it a couple of nights that
this was the first time in weekswhere I was not thinking about
ending my life.
But I was literally arguingwith the radio about whether or
not you could do what they weretalking about on the radio and

(16:58):
because of that I was like, well, wait a minute, maybe there is
something to this.
You know, maybe this message isbeing put in my life for a
reason and I need to listen toit.
And one of the things that wassaid on the show by one of the
guests one day was that they hadkind of had a similar situation
and their first step was tocome clean to their wife, to
talk to their wife and say youknow, hey, this is what's going

(17:20):
on, because, see, I was being agood husband, good father, I was
protecting my wife, right, Iwasn't telling her any of this
stuff because I'm going to, I'mgoing to protect her from it.
By the way, my wife knew all ofthis was going on, because my
wife was a smart woman, but shewasn't.
She didn't want to bring it upbecause I was not bringing it up
and she didn't want to make itworse on me.
So at the end of the day, Ifinally, after a week of this, I

(17:42):
went to my wife and I said look, here's what's going on.
We're deeply in debt, don'tknow if we can turn this around.
I've been having these, thesethoughts and these feelings.
I started listening to thisshow and she goes you mean the
Dave Ramsey show.
It turned out her and her dadwere listening to it during the
day and I'm listening to therebroadcast at night.
And she's like, oh well, yeah,we can do this.
And you sure she's like, yeah,we can do this.

(18:05):
So we basically just kind ofcompletely revamped how we lived
.
We ended up paying off at.
By the way I mentioned, I hadover $50,000 of debt.
We ended up paying off $78,000in debt before we got out of
debt because in the middle Ichanged jobs and had two
emergency surgeries and we endedup with extra medical debt and
so basically, you know, thingspiled on when you're getting out

(18:27):
of debt.
But we in that journey, for twoyears, 11 months, we lived on
nothing and ended up paying off$78,000 worth of debt.
You know, since then we've donequite well.
You know my income's come up.
I work with the clients.
Now I'm able to do what I loveto do.
We have no debt of any sort.
We own our own house, we ownall our own vehicles all of that

(18:48):
and we live now just in a waythat's very, very different than
we did before.
Now I still fight depression Imean, that's something that is
always going to be part of mylife but at the same time, that
that financial weight that wascrushing me has been able to be
lifted, and I think in largepart because of that I'm able to
be lifted and, and I think inlarge part because of that I'm

(19:09):
able to live in a way that'sthat's different than

we did before.

Wow, that's powerful, that's that is very
powerful, you know your.
Your story is very, veryinteresting too because, uh, me
and mrs killer b, I think somepeople here know this but like
we went through a time duringthe economy crash and, uh, well,
actually that was before theeconomy crash, wasn't it before?
The economy crash was duringthe big housing market thing.
The housing market thing, yep2008, we lost our first house

(19:34):
and, uh, we got in a bad loanand we wasn't you know we, you
know we were just taking money,like where we whatever you call
it like you know refinancing andall that, and got an adjustable
rate, all that thing.
But anyways, we were in a badsituation.
I was listening to dave ramseyat my job and I'm like man, like
what are we gonna do?
I had no idea she was listeningto dave ramsey at the house and

(19:57):
she actually was calling in andtalking to them and I was I
didn't even know.
And she talked to them andfound out like you guys, you
guys don't have a, you guys needto get out of the house because
there's just no way we're goingto be able to do it.
And it was so interesting thatwhen I'd come home, she'd be
like I was like I was listeningto the show Dave Ramsey, and
she's like I actually talked tothem.
I called them like what?

(20:18):
So it's interesting how thatcan happen.
So so, have you ever been tothe Ramsey's Place?
Have you ever been to Ramsey's?

Place Actually.
Yeah, we've been there severaltimes so we actually have taught
FPU back in the day.
We don't do it anymore, we'vekind of moved into other things.
But we got to have dinner withthem, had an award with them.
I actually was going to behired there at one time.
I ended up passing on theposition and now going into the
coaching and I'm kind of glad Idid.

(20:48):
But, yeah, we've gotten tospend quite a bit of time there.
I've still got friends thatwork there.
That's so cool.

That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Yeah, they're a great, greatgroup of people to work with.
We've got some friends thatwork there too, and so did you
get to do the debt-free screamthen?

We did.
We called in on January 6th of2009 and did our debt free
scream, that's amazing.

I have to admit it's so emotional.

I love listening to that on the radio.
It's every single time I cry.
It doesn't even matter.
You know, I've never heard ofthese people ever in my life
before, but it's just sobeautiful to you know, hear
someone tell their story likethat.

And I like, I thank you for sharing that too
, as a man, because I think thatgoing through a situation like
that it's for us guys it's veryeasy to to hide that and hide
that, that weight that you'recarrying, and that you're open
to share, and talk about thedark moments of where you

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started going with your thoughtsand your minds thinking that it
would be better for your familyif you weren't here, so that
was the only way you couldprovide for them.
And so, as we go through this,would you say that's you like?
How did you find your purposeduring all this?
Was it because of the DaveRamsey show that you're
listening to, or Well, that waspart of it, but it's not.

So first off, let me kind of talk a little bit
about when I say purpose orcalling.
You know and I love the wordcalling the idea of a call right
is it has to be something callsto you.
It's from outside of you orbigger than you.
You know now, I'm a person offaith, so I believe that that's
God.
But again, I don't care whatlanguage you put around it, it's

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just the idea that there'ssomething bigger than you are.
So the word vocation that wekind of use interchangeably to
mean the thing that we do, likeour career and our vocation.
We use those words like they'rethe same thing.
Truth is they're not the samething.
Vocation comes from the wordvocalization.
It means to be called, wherecareer actually comes from the

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word for cart.
It's something that gets youfrom point A to point B.
It's something that transportsyou or moves you.
So when we think about ourcareer, it's what we do to get
paid, okay.
And then when we think aboutour calling, our calling or our
purpose is bigger and deeperthan that.
Now, it may show up in what youdo to get paid and obviously,

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if it can, that's a wonderfulthing.
But it also shows up when youknow how you're a parent.
It shows up in how you're abrother or sister or son or a
daughter or husband or a wife ora friend, or what it shows up
in all of the different rolesand responsibilities that you
take on in some level or form.

(23:43):
And what I like to say is thewhat you can do is begin to
intentionally design your lifewhere more and more of the stuff
that you do aligns with thatdeeper purpose or passion or
calling or driver, I tell people, you start to recognize it when
you do something and it's likethat's the thing that you're

(24:03):
doing and it's like timedisappears.
You know it's like this is Icould do this all day long.
You know it's like this is Icould do this all day long.
You know I.
This gives me energy.
I get done.
I get off a coaching call andI'm like, ooh, send me five more
clients like that.
That was a blast.
You know I want to do.
I want to keep doing this youknow, and there were moments in
my corporate job where they werethe same things.
I would meet with leaders and Iwas developing leaders and I

(24:24):
was solving problems, and youknow it's like, wow, this is fun
, you know.
And when I was a teacher, therewere parts of my teaching job
that fed that part, and so Ialways think of finding your
calling is sort of like peelingback the layers of an onion or
that, or parfait, if you'drather the Shrek reference.
You know, that kind of thing,You're digging in and you're

(24:44):
kind of trying to peel it back,but I don't think you ever
arrive there.
It's a journey, it's not adestination, you know, and the
idea is to kind of keep layeringit on so you can do more and
more and be more authentic andmore aligned, but I don't know
that it ever gets perfect.
You know what I mean.
For one thing, there's justparts of your day that you have

(25:12):
to do stuff that it's just stuffthat you have to do.
You know that the laundry stillhas to get done, you know the
that kind of thing.
But the more of your day thatgives are the parts that give
you that energy, that purpose,that drive, the better it is.
So for me, discovering it wasactually a process of sitting
down and doing some internalwork.
So I'll give folks two quickexercises, and these are things
that you can actually doyourself.
One is to sit down and take asheet of paper and divide it

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into three columns, so theleft-hand side, the middle and
the right-hand side, and downthe left-hand side.
Just begin to brainstormeverything you've ever done, and
I don't just mean career orjobs or things you got paid for,
I mean everything you've done,you know, be as broad and as
general as you can.
That time you were a campcounselor when you were 13,.
You know the when you're whenyou're able to do listen to

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certain books, or when you'reout in the garden and working
with the plants all of thedifferent things that you do.
And then in the second column,next to each of those things,
write down what you love aboutthat thing.
What is it that gives you joy,what is it that gives you energy
?
And then, in the last column,write down what you don't love
about that activity.

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What are the things that drainenergy from you, that don't
bring you joy?
And the idea is to do this.
This is one of those exercisesthat you can spend a week on it,
you can spend a month on it,you can keep coming back to it
and then, when you sit down, youbegin to look for patterns,
look for the things that keepshowing up that give you joy and
give you energy, look for thethings that keep showing up that

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take energy away from you.
And then start thinking now,how can I move my life in a
direction where I get to do moreof the love column and less of
the hate column.
You know what is it that I cando to move that direction?
And because of that, if you dothose sorts of exercises, then
you begin to be more intentionalin seeking out and aligning

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your calendar, yourrelationships, your finances,
your, all of these othercomponents of your life in a way
that begins to be moreauthentic to that deeper purpose
and calling that is so helpfulI've never heard that talked
about before.

That's really smart.

I'm kind of concerned now.

Scott, I'm kind of concerned, Scott,
because now I have a feelingthat Mrs Killer Bee me well,
luckily Arcane's not herebecause I think all of us are
going to put.
Doing laundry is something thatwe don't love doing, so none of
us is going to do laundry youjust buy new clothes all the
time, you'll be fine.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right, or?
You just hire somebody to dothe laundry.
It's probably cheaper thanbuying new clothes.
There you go.

But that is actually one of those things and
I know people that like pay forsomebody to come in and cook a
meal or prepare, do mealplanning or do laundry, and at
first people are like, well,that's a waste of money, you can
do that yourself.
And it's like, but no, ifthey're aligning their money and
spending it away, that thatgives them a chance to do more
of the stuff that's meaningfulto them and they can afford it

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and they can do this responsibly, in a way that doesn't harm
anyone, then absolutely go dothat.
You know, don't just suck it upand do what you don't love just
because you feel like you haveto.

Yes, Scott , I've done that for several
families gone to cook for them,because cooking in general is
one of those things that if youhate it, it just drains you even
more than most things, becauseit takes a long time.
If you don't know what you'redoing, then the result isn't
even great, you know.
But yeah, and it's.
What's great about it for me isthat I loved going into their

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homes and cooking for them andit was life giving to me and
then it was life giving to themthat they didn't have to.

Right Exactly, and that's where you find those
opportunities to align and, youknow, find the.
So that's delegating right, anactivity, and we talk about that
in the business world, but alot of times people don't think
about that in their personallife and it's like, no, you
could set up, you can do thingscreatively, you know.
Absolutely.
As well.

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And again, sometimes you dojust have to do the hard thing
because you don't like to do itand somebody needs to do it and
whatever.
But at the same time, there area lot of times I've seen people
get really creative in findingways to free up their time to do
things that they reallyauthentically love.
And, like you said a lot oftimes, you can find it where
it's a trade off, where it'slike now they're going to they

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go do something that they loveto do for you and you do
something that you love to dofor them.
They don't love to do what youlove and you don't let you know
and everyone wins right, it's awin-win situation.
But you got to get creative andyou've got to talk to people and
ask questions and communicateand all of those hard things.

So most of us would rather just sit in our
room.

I think , that's a very important piece.

Go ahead, Ms Hillary.

I was just going to say real quick we
don't utilize bartering nearlyas much as we should in this
country.
I don't think yeah.

Go ahead.
It's actually one of the thingsthat I know we're even going
through with our business rightnow.
There's things that we'reevaluating Well, we're even
going through with our businessright now, like there's things
that we're like we're evaluatingwhat are well, I'm evaluating
things right now and goingthrough like what are things
that are that are taking a lotof time and like there's been
shifts happening, you know, ifthe economy and stuff like that.
So it was like things we haveto, like what are we putting our

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time, what am I putting my timeinto?
That is is kind of draining meand I got to focus on things
right now, maybe some of thethings like that I love doing.
I have to step back from alittle bit because I have to
focus on the things that I don'tlike doing as much, but I know
I have to do this to get overthis, this hump, you know.
So it was like, okay, well, I'mgonna have to press pause on
some things and do this, but Ihave to do that to be able to

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move forward.
But there's a lot of things I'malso noticing that in my time
are things that just really arejust draining.
And, mrs Killer Bee, what is itcalled again, what you're
having me kind of look at rightnow, that that's called about
the looking at all Like what ismore important to you time or
money or something like that.

I think that's basically like if you're
trying to grow your business,you know, usually you either
need more time or you need moremoney, and so you can't chase
both at the same time, so youhave to choose one or the other
to focus on at first.
So that's what we've kind ofbeen talking about, like he
needs to focus on his time.

first, I need to focus on my time, yeah,
cause it's like I was like Iknow where we're going, but if I
don't take the time to sit downand look at what is taking on
my time and like, for instance,like with me personally I don't
like doing a lot of social media, so just because I don't see
like like I love using it forpersonal use but for business,

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it drains me and it's like Idon't feel like it's worth the
effort for what I do.
And then I'm like you know,I've got to look at that and say
, well, how much time am Iputting that?
That would give me some freedomto be able to focus on the
other things that I need tofocus on.
So, yeah, I think it's animportant piece to look at.
But what I really love, what youjust talked about, Scott, and I

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probably kind of rabbit trailthere, but I liked how you were
talking about your calling inyour career, especially how you
were explaining the differencebetween them.
I really appreciate you sharingthat because that was a pretty
big eye-opener right there,because I think a lot of times I
for myself have looked atcalling as a destination and

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it's like you've got to reachthis destination of your calling
.
But that was beautifully saidabout how your calling can.
You probably are never going toreach that destination because
it's going to change and it Ilike.
I really appreciate you sharingthat.
That really opened up my eyes alot when you said that so it
has to evolve.

Because you evolve, you know you change um.
You know things in your lifechange.
My wife and I are empty nesters.
Now you know.
Guess what Things?
there's options that we have now.
It's like we went to like fiveconcerts, you know, last year,
and, and, and went and saw allthese different bands that we
haven't.
We haven't been to a concert ina decade you know, because we've

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had a kid, you know and's it'sa time thing, it's a money thing
, it's a you know all of thosethings.
But it's like, oh yeah, wait, we, we could actually do this.
You know, we, we used to lovegoing to listen to music and go
to con huh, you know it, wow.
But it was funny because forthe first couple of years, you
know, he moved out and we didn'tdo it.
We just kind of kept living thesame way as if he was home.

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And then all of a sudden itdawned on us huh, wait, a minute
, things are actually differentnow.
We can do things differently,you know.
So we had to sit down and havethat conversation and say what
would you like to do now thatyou know David's not here 24
seven?
you know what would you like todo.

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What would we like to dodifferent?
And so that was actually mywife's like I want to go to see
some bands again.
I'm all right, we can do that.
And so we made sure we went andsaw bands that year.
So we have these things wherewe can sit down.
And then we recently moved.
You know that was a bigdecision that we made that we
were able to do because we movedfrom that place.
I was talking about living outin the middle of nowhere.

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We now live in a community ofabout 300,000 folks, so we went
from no grocery stores for anhour to four grocery stores
within 15 minutes.
So it's kind of a big changefor us.
But at the same time, it's thatidea of thinking about it and
talking about it and going.
Well, we can be there and livea little differently and do

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things that we want to do,because we have that option now,
but being intentional about it,yeah it's good, that's really
good.

I see that we have a question.
Let's go ahead and bring up uh,let's bring up the q a mike.
Let's bring up yvonne.
Yvonne, come down.
I think your shirt says brat onit.

I don't know if you see that it does
say brat.

Welcome to the Killer Bee Studios brat.

I think you pretty much already answered one
of my questions.
My question was what's thefirst small step that you think
somebody could take if they'refeeling uninspired or
disconnected from their purpose?
somebody could take if they'refeeling uninspired or
disconnected from their purpose.
Yeah, the exercise I gaveearlier is one of them, just

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because I think a lot of timeswe feel like we feel
disconnected because we haven'tactually stopped and thought
about what is the purpose.
In a way, that's actually hardwork, if that makes sense.
It's self-work, it'sintrospective work and we don't
usually create that.
So in part it's doing exerciseslike that, but let me go even
more granular it's creating thespace in your day to be able to

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do that kind of thinking.
Because my guess is for most ofus here and you can throw up
confetti if this fits to you youknow you get up in the morning
and you're just kind of runningand gunning all day long, going
from task to task, fire to fire,emergency to emergency.
You know getting things doneand you're very busy.
But at the end of the day youkind of look back and go huh, I

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was busy today, but did Iactually do anything that
matters?
I mean, does that apply?

to more , more than just me.

Not all the time, necessarily, but a lot of days
you do.
And so it's it's actuallysitting down and looking at your
day and going.
You know I'm going to find 15minutes for me, I'm going to
find 10 minutes for me to createsome white space and actually
be quiet.
And this is without your phone,without your computer, without

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the TV on, without the audiobooks, without the radio, and
just be and think and processand meditate, because a lot of
times we don't create that spacefor ourselves and that's where
that busy run and gun feelingcomes from.

So you're talking about the busy and the
right things.
What's the difference betweenbusy?
How do you like?
Maybe you can talk to us alittle bit more about that, like
the difference between beingbusy and doing the right thing.

Yeah, so one of the things in the book that I
talk about is there is adifference between just being
busy and doing the right thing.
Yeah, so one of the things inthe book that I talk about is
there is a difference betweenjust being busy and being
productive, and I use the wordproductive for doing the things
that actually matter, that movethe needle, and so I'll give you
an example.
I can actually prove it toeverybody.
Imagine for a minute that Ihired you and I said I'm going
to pay you a hundred dollars aday to go into my backyard and

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I've got a pile of rocks on theleft-hand side of my yard and
your job is to pick up a rock,walk to the right-hand side of
my yard, put the rock down anddo that all day long until
you've moved all of the rocks.
And once you've moved all therocks to the right side, now
your job is to pick them up andmove them back to the left side.
You just do that all day long.

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I'll give you a hundred dollarsto do that.
Would you be busy?
Yes.
You know that's a busy day,right, that's a busy day.
You moved rocks all day long?
Would you argue that you'vebeen at all productive or
created value?
Would you feel you know?

valuable.
Why am I doing this right?
Why am I doing this?
Yeah?

And in fact, if I was going to pay you $100, it
was $100, you probably wouldn'tdo it too long.
You know, you might do it for alittle while, but at some point
you're like dude, there's gotto be something better than this
and in fact I probably couldpay you even more than $100.
And there's still going to be apoint where you're just like I
can't.
All I'm doing is moving rocks.

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I can't do this anymore.
This is, this is horrible.
It doesn't bring me any meaningor value or authenticity.
It's just money.
So that's busy, right?
You're doing a lot of stuff andwe've kind of turned it into a
badge of honor in this countrywhere we it's the knee jerkerk
answer yeah, hey, how you doing,I'm busy.
That's what we say, and we saylike it's a good thing, it's

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like actually that's not a goodthing.
That just means you did a lotof stuff it speaks.

You know it's interesting you say that
the value of the stuff I thinkthat, like I think that a lot of
times, if people, if if peopleact like they're, if they say
they're not busy, they feel likethey're lazy, right, it's like,
it's like a whole mind shift,like we have to change our whole
mindset here on what this lookslike lazy is not actually about

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how much you do.

It's more about how you're driven to do, and,
and what I mean by that is, youknow, when you're, when you,
when you're lazy, you don't havethe, the drive or the
motivation.
By the way, motivation actuallycomes from activity, not from.
So there there's a degree towhich we'll think about it again
.
We've all done this, you know.
You're like ah, I really don'twant to do the laundry today.

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I really don't want to do that.
Well, I'll just move it intothe laundry room.
And if all you do is pick upthe basket and move it into the
laundry room, it's like, well, Imight as well go ahead and
throw it in the washer.
And now, all of a sudden, youget it done because you just
took that one little small stepand now you're motivated,
because the motivation doesn'tcome first.
The motivation actually comessecond.

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So productive is when you sitdown and you say, ok, look, look
, let's look at my day.
What are the things that I needto do and to put into my day
and say yes to that are the mostimportant things.
And then when you run out oftime by the way, this works for
money too when you run out oftime.
Ok, these are the things I'mgoing to say no to.

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I'm going to say no to Because,more often than not, most of us
have filled our day with tonsof things that we've said yes to
that really and truly, youshould have said no to.
They're not important to you,they don't move the needle,
they're not important.
You've just said yes to it outof some sort of obligation or
habit or routine.
That really doesn't providevalue.

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That really doesn't providevalue.
It's most of us.
You know, if I say most of uscheck our phone tons of times a
day, literally as I say that,there are people that will reach
for their phone, like as theyhear the words I check my phone
come out of my mouth.
It reflectively, it's a habit.
I've got to check my phone, youknow, and they're going to look
at their phone right nowbecause it becomes a knee-jerk

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reflex.
It becomes a habit.
They don't examine that.
So you're talking about earliersitting down and figuring out
where you're spending your time.
This is sitting down andactually going where do you
spend your time and then saying,hmm, what are the things on
this list that I need to say noto?
That I'm currently saying yesto, so that I can say yes to the
things that really matter.

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And one simple trick that youcan use is just change your
language.
You're no longer allowed to sayI don't have time to do that.
Whatever it is, I don't havetime to do that.
Take I don't have time, out ofyour vocabulary.
Instead, you have to say that'snot a priority for me.
Here's why that works.

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Imagine for a minute you're atwork and you say to your
coworker you know, I reallywanted to make my daughter's
dance recital tonight, but Ijust don't have time.
They're going to go.
Oh, you know poor, you right,you know you don't have time to
go to your daughter's dancerecital.
But if instead you say to yourcoworker you know what I really

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wanted to go to my daughter'sdance recital tonight, but
that's just not a priority forme.
Would your coworker look at youand be like dude, really, what
do you mean?
That's not a priority for you.
Go to the recital you know itwould.
And, by the way, internally itchanges the way you look at it
too.
All of a sudden it's like, wait, really, I'm going to say out
loud that's not a priority tohave date night with my wife,

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that's not a priority to spendtime with my kid, that's not a
priority to do these, of coursethat's a priority for you.
And so then, all of a suddenit's like, well then, now how
can I arrange my life so that Ido have that time to go do that
thing that is a priority, bysaying no to other things that
aren't, aren't really the, the,the most important thing, wow.

That's good.

That reminds me of that exercise you
do with the.
Uh, the different size rocks ina jar.
Have you ever seen that before?

Yeah, yeah, stephen Covey uh, does an
exercise where he puts the rocksin the jar and the idea is, if
you put the big rocks in first,then there's room to fill the
jar with sand or gravel orsmaller rocks.
But if you try to put the smallrocks in first and then shove
the big rocks in, they don't fit, and that's the idea of you put

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in first the things that aremost important, say yes first,
no second.
Same thing happens with budgets.
The reason people don't likemoney budgets is because they're
like, oh, the budget just tellsme all the stuff I can't do.
I'm like, no, it doesn't.
The budget tells you what youcan do.
Put down in the budget what'smost important to you first, and
then, when you get to the stuffthat's not that important,
you're like, well, that reallydidn't matter anyway.

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You know it wasn't the mostimportant thing to me, it's OK
for me to not have that or notdo that.
You know, if trips areimportant to you, budget for
trips, you know, put that inyour, in your plan and actually
set money aside for it and thengo on the trip and don't have
guilt because of it right,that's good that's good, awesome
.

All right, I got another question here.
Let's bring up the mic.
We have no thumb gamer.
No thumb gamer.
Come on down.
Welcome to killer b studios.
Thanks for joining us I lovethe name yeah isn't that awesome
hello I.

I watched something very recently
on youtube called inspiredinspired stewardship by travis.
I think it was an interviewwith you and travis parry and I
had on my show.
I actually didn't, I didn'tpiece it together until I heard
your voice and I was like that'sgotta be him.

Yeah, that's my inspired, stewardship.
So thank you for listening.

Yeah, it was really really good.
Yeah, it was.
It was really really good.
Really insightful, reallyhelpful.
But I've got a question.
So if, if you're not currentlyworking, I don't know because of
depression, disability orwhatever, what would you
recommend to somebody to buildup the confidence or build up

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something new so they can go andget a new career?

Yeah, absolutely.
I think a lot of us go throughthese periods where, because of
depression, because ofdisability and other things, and
so one one thing is steppingback.
Earlier, when I talked aboutthe difference between your
vocation and your career, Ithink it's important to realize
that you can do things to beproductive and make yourself

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feel useful without necessarilyquote having a job or you know,
or a career, or getting paid orthose sorts of things.
It's okay to also find ways toadd value to other people
without necessarily doing quotea job, you know or a career,

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because at the end of the day,that's really how you start to
feel more valued yourself isoften by finding ways to give
value to others.
You know finding ways to serveand help other people.
Now, obviously, you should takecare of yourself.
You need to to take, you know,if you're on medic.
I'm on medication fordepression.
I need to take my meds, youknow we.

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I've gone through therapy, I'vedone those things.
So you have to do the thingsfor self-care and
self-development.
But as soon as you get to apoint where you're able to kind
of move forward, I look forplaces to invest in others.
So first invest in yourself,then invest in others.
Investing in others is findinglittle things you can do that
help the people around you orsomeone around you, and those

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folks don't have to be.
It doesn't have to be a bigdeal.
It doesn't have to be a bigthing.
I'll give you a small example.
Where we live now, on Thursdaymorning they come and pick up
the garbage, and I like to.
When I go out and get mygarbage can and bring it up back
to my house, if my neighbor'sgarbage can is still out there,
I'll go drag theirs up to wherethey belong.

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Sounds like no big deal, right,and don't get me wrong, my
neighbors are all healthy andhappy and they're able to go get
their own garbage can.
It's not like I'm doing anysort of great service for them,
but it's just a little thing Ican do and it makes you know, it
makes me feel better and itlets them know hey, I care about
you and I'm helping, take careof you, and so it's.

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It's little things like thatthat then begin to add up and
give you momentum to do thebigger things, like apply for a
new job or find a career or findsomething else the activity I
shared earlier about finding thethings you love versus the
things you hate is a great waythat you can start looking for
things that you can do that helpother people, because the thing

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that keeps showing up, thatcomes natural to you, that's the
the no-brainer to use to helpother people, because odds are
really good.
You have gifts and things thatyou're good at, that you're good
at them and don't even realizethat you're good at them because
the people around you you thinkeverybody, this is easy for
everybody.
Everybody knows how to do this,and yet the reality is that no,

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not everybody does know how todo that and it comes naturally
and easy to you.
And somebody else is over heregoing man, I cannot believe how
easy they make that look.
And those are oftentimes thethings that you can do and they
give you meaning, they give youenergy, they give that back to
you.
That then lets you move forward.

Even you know.
It's interesting to me, likeyou know, because I've talked to
a lot of people about thatexact thing where, like even
smiling at people in public orpraying for people, you think
that's no big deal but it makesa huge difference and not
everyone has the bandwidth to doeither one of those things.

But like anything that you find that comes easy
to you Opening a door forsomebody.
I mean little things, they'renot little.

It's not little, exactly Nothing's little
.
Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, I love that too.
Nothing's little.
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, I love that too, becauseI think that you know really the
times that you start really formyself.
I've gotten in my own headbefore and even ignored the
people around me saying thingsto me which were actually there
to help encourage me and help merealize the value that I had.
I know that they were placedthere by God, but I would even
ignore them.
I'm like, oh no, it's not me.

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Or, you know, I would just blowit off and I would still feel
that same way until I got to thepoint and realized like, wait a
minute, they can see in me whatI can't see in myself, and
that's a beautiful thing.
When just sharing with somebody,like, hey, I realize you're a
really good listener, that goesa lot further than you might
realize, because they might bestruggling with something
internally, thinking that youknow I'm not, I'm not a good

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listener people.
You know, there's differentthings like that.
If you, if we pay attention toit, that God will give somebody
else the encouragement to say,and by you not saying it, if
you're like I've learned there'sbeen times that God has given
me something to say to somebodyand I've like I don't, why would
I say that?
Like they don't want to hearthat, but then if I did they
later on out here, man, I reallyneeded to hear that.

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Thank you so much.
And that was a blessing to themand that helped fuel what they
like, what their purpose is.
It helps, helps them keepmoving forward instead of
getting their own thoughts.
So, uh, like you said, it's not, it doesn't have to be some big
, like the little things are bigthings.
We just don't realize it sowell we don't.

We don't treat them that way because, again, we
kind of you know, we've learnedthis lesson that everyone has
to make the the big splash.
You know, if, if you can't, ifI oh, I'm going to go on a
podcast but there's only 20people listening.
It's like 20 people is atremendous number of people you
know, or I'm going to go do this, but there's only, there's only

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two people there.
So that's two people, you knowit's we.
We'd look at things as if theyhave to be these massive scales,
but then we don't think aboutthe fact that that one person
that you held the door, you knowyou hold the door open for that
one person, that actuallyperson that you held the door,
you know you hold the door openfor that one person that
actually may have completelychanged the trajectory of their
whole day.
You know, before that momentthey may have been in their head

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, they may have been having darkthoughts, they may have been,
you know, feeling bad aboutthemselves and all of that.
And then you open the door andsay, you know, hey, have a great
day today, and walk on out thedoor and they walk in and
they're like, wow, you know,somebody did care.

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You know somebody did notice,somebody did say hello.
Yeah, we go to the, the store,and people have a name badge on.
Actually call them by theirname.
Yeah, you know how often thecashiers are just, you know,
talked to but not actuallyrecognized all day long, and and
yet how big it goes to.
You know, hey, shirley, how areyou doing today?
You know and, and they've got aname tag on.
They tell you what their nameis.
Just read it, you know, this isnot hard and then say it out

(51:45):
loud.
but we don't think about ourinteractions in that way,
because usually because againwe're back to that whole same
thing we're busy moving throughthe day trying to just get
everything done and and weforget that those little it
seems like it's a little thing,but those are the things that
really make the big difference,and not only for them.

(52:08):
They also do it for you,because when they look at you
and go, oh, thank you so much.
You're like oh great, I feelgood today.
You know, that makes me feelbetter too.
So it's a win-win situation.
And yet we've almost trainedourselves out of doing that.

Yeah, and you're reminded what really
matters when things like thathappen, because then you kind of
snap out of it for a minute andyou're like, what have I been
doing?
Like this is what matters.
People matter, matter, and youknow, relationships and making
people feel important, that'swhat matters.
And so, yeah, it is so good forus to recognize that.
Yeah, sorry, what were you justtalking?

about and we were just talking about that
recently too about how realizinglike little things like that,
just like what you're talkingabout it, could affect the rest
of their day but, it can evenaffect an entire generations,
like it can affect.
It can affect how they traintheir kids like and teach them
like to open doors for somebodyelse, because you opened it for
them and it helped them have abetter day.
So then they pass these thingson to generations yeah, we

(53:10):
really have no idea, like, howfar that will go.
These little acts of kindnesslike, uh, so that is so such a
powerful to think of.
That's why I I mean, that's whyI went by her her shirt name,
brat.
I wanted to call her by herlabel on her shirt that she was.
That was her name badge, right,right, brat.
Yeah, she's throwing confettifor me out there, so I see you.

I wanted to know if it was truth in advertising.
So that's all.

No, it's not.
She's the sweetest thing in theworld.

Yeah, she is .
Well, this has been great.
Thank you so much, Scott, foreverything that you've shared
with us.
I want to ask you I know youdon't have to get into it
because I know we're runningclose on time but your book also
covers like a four-partframework for helping people
identify their calling.

And I'm guessing you touched on that a little bit
with the.
I did.
I actually shared it earlier, Ijust didn't call it out.
That's what I thought.
So if you guys that was likeabout like the columns right or
the no actually, the four-partframework is that idea that I
was just sharing about invest inyourself first, then invest in
others, okay, and the other twoparts are from that.
Naturally, if you do those twothings, you learn more about who

(54:23):
you are, so that columnactivity would be part of that.
Then you begin to learn andshare and help others.
Then what ends up happening isnaturally from that you're going
to develop influence, becauseit was kind of like what I was
talking about when we were goingthrough the weird financial
thing and doing all this weirdstuff, people started noticing
that and coming up and going howdid you do that?

(54:43):
You know what your something'sdifferent you know.
Tell me about that.
That's influence.
And then, as you develop yourinfluence, that's what then
makes an impact.
And so it's invest in yourself,invest in others, develop your
influence.
Impact the world is the idea orthe framework, and again, you
can apply that in a lot ofdifferent ways and a lot of
different activities.
That's why it's a framework,not a process.

(55:05):
You know you apply it todifferent parts of your life.
It could be finding yourcalling.
It could be other things, itcould be around relationships or
those sorts of things, but itworks as a way of recognizing,
and I like the idea of startingwith invest in yourself, cause I
think that's a lot of times thestep we skip.

(55:25):
Yes.
We end up just investing inothers, and that's what burns us
out a lot of times.

That's so true, so true.

So true, Well, you're Scott.
You're a lot better guy than Iwas, Cause I would have been
like I gave the first twoearlier and I would repeat it,
and I said if you want the othertwo, you can get the book at
this address, but you didn't dothat, but I would love for you
to let people know how can theyfind your book and also share
your podcast too, so people cancheck that out Absolutely so I

(55:53):
actually put up a landing pagejust for your listeners that has
all of that on it.

So if you go to my website, which is
inspiredstewardshipcom, and thenforward slash horizons and what
you'll find there, there'sinformation, actually some free
resources.
So the activity I gave earlierwith the columns and some of
those other activities like thatare available on there for free
as well.
There's information about thebook, my podcast and just a way

(56:22):
you could jump on and have aquick call with me if you've got
questions or anything that cameup from tonight that you wanted
to talk to somebody about inprivate.
That's all there atinspiredstewardshipcom forward
slash horizons, Scott that's soawesome.

You are the first person that's ever
done that a specialized landingpage.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.

We'll make sure we put that link in the
podcast show notes too, sopeople can go check that out,
Scott usually so at the endwe're actually going to have
everybody jump up here and takea group selfie together, so
we'll take a picture together,but we always like to ask our
guests as we get ready to wrapup.
Okay is the best way.
Are you on social?
Is there any way people canconnect with you on social media
too?

yeah, absolutely that.
That same page.
I actually have all my sociallinks in there too but I'm
pretty much anywhere that, uh,I'm either on as a steward coach
or as my last name you cansearch for.
For some reason there's not aton of meters that spell it like
M-A-B-E-R-E-R out there.
So you can usually find itrelatively easily on all the

(57:25):
social media handles, butLinkedIn, facebook, are probably
the two I'm most active on, butI'm in all of them.

Cool, so you guys can find all that on the
landing page too.
So well, guess, Scott, we liketo ask our guests always to kind
of close out our interview.
I guess can you close this out?
I'm trying to get my thoughtshere together, it's okay.
What is one thought that if youhave anything that you would
hope people would take away fromour discussion tonight, what

(57:55):
would that be?

from our discussion tonight.
What would that be?
I think the biggest thing thatI always like to try to point
people to is that idea of beingintentional.
I think all too often we end upliving our life just kind of by
default.
We have habits, we havebehaviors, we have thoughts, we
have all of these things thatwe've just kind of built up over

(58:17):
time.
And taking that space that Iwas talking about earlier,
creating that 15 minutes in themorning, maybe before everyone
gets get up to stop and thinkand process and be so that
they're actually serving youwell and moving you towards your
purpose and your calling, thenI think, if all of us did, that

(58:44):
I think the world would be amuch better place and we'd all
be much happier and healthierpeople.

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