July 9, 2024 • 46 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You become God, you become the author, because
here's the thing, when you getthat thing that you're
manifesting, where does theglory come from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give God glory Because
you did the work right?
You did all the manifesting.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is part two of our conversation with Dani Kaye.
If you have not listened topart one, go back and listen to
part one.
Go back and listen to episodenumber 34.
Let's not waste any time, we'lldive right into the intro.
Welcome back to a new creationpodcast where we are pointing
women towards victory in Christ.
One Jesus story at a time.
(00:37):
My name is Kermese.
I'm your host.
Let's go.
Let's go Before we get started.
(01:06):
Heavenly Father, I just liftyour name and I just pray that
you would edify the listener,that this word would edify the
listener, that they would beable to hear what the Spirit of
the Lord is saying.
Lord Jesus, God, right now, Ijust ask that you would cause
your daughter, on the other end,cause your son, who may be
listening to this episode, lordJesus, to hear your heart, to
hear you, lord Jesus, and letevery other voice that is not
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the voice of the Heavenly Father, every other voice, be silenced
in Jesus' mighty name.
That your power, that your name, that your will be done on
earth as it already is in heaven, right here in this episode,
right there in the listener'shearts's hearts.
We bless you, we praise you inthe mighty name of jesus, amen.
You know, like I already I know, I'm seated in heavenly places
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in christ jesus.
I know that I don't have to doall of these very works-based
things that seem like they givepower, they seem like they are
godly, but they're not.
It's come on, so you know you?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
oh my gosh, sorry, there was a spider dangling
right in front of my face.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I had to kill it.
Okay, I was like I know, it'snot a cicada you're gonna have
to edit that part out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Um, anyway, okay, oh that was disgusting.
I can't believe I killed itwith my hand.
Um, anyway, um, you youmentioned something.
So, janice, I know that yousaid you came out of new age so
you dabbled with new age.
(02:41):
You're familiar with, you, knowthat world.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And I am.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm fairly familiar with it.
I was around a lot of peoplewho were participating in that
and I was participating in itsome myself, and so I think one
of the you actually mentionedmanifests Okay, and I think that
that's something I want to talkabout, because I think that in
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the church world there's a lotof believers, there's a lot of
born again Christians thatdabble in new age without
realizing that they're dabblingin new age, and I think you know
that's the purpose of deception.
Right For the enemy to deceiveis for you to not know that
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you're being deceived, right?
Right, I think that there's alot of scriptures that are taken
out of context and that causepeople to dabble with these
things with the mindset thatthey're actually practicing the
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scriptures.
But they're not.
They're actually twisting thescriptures and practicing
deception.
And you mentioned manifest.
And you mentioned manifest andI want to talk about that,
(04:34):
because the scripture I thinkthat is commonly with a little
bit is to point to prayer andthe power of agreement in prayer
, and I think sometimes peopletake that scripture and they
think that they can manifestthings with their words in it.
I really do believe that.
You know, people think thatthey're practicing that the
right way, but they take it justa tiny bit too far, to where
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then it becomes new agey.
And let me, let me explain itlike this so you have people on
one side who are saying Ideclare and decree that you're
going to be free from addiction,you're going to be free, you're
going to be healed of cancer, Ideclare you're going to be free
from this, free from that, andyou're praying and you're
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declaring over someone healthand you know prosperity and good
things, good godly things.
But then, on the other hand,there are people who take that
and they begin to twist it fortheir selfish gain.
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And the reason I say that isbecause you'll have people who
say oh, I'm manifesting a newhouse, I'm manifesting a house
that's paid for, like someone'sgiving me a house.
I'm manifesting healing in mybody, I, but do you hear?
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I, I, I, I.
That is pride, and what madethe devil fall?
Come on Pride.
So I think that you know it canvery easily cross over to a
practice that is I'm just goingto say it, it's demonic.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, say, yeah, say it like it is it really is.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's demonic because you are not the author of your
life.
God is the author and finisherof your faith and of your life,
and so when you try to manifestthings into your life, you
become God in your life, andthat is idolatry, that is
demonic, that is prideful, it'sevil.
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And so I mean I've even heardmen and women of God, I have
heard leaders, I have heard verygifted men and women of God
talk about manifestingprosperity, manifesting health,
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manifesting marriage,manifesting children,
manifesting I mean, the listgoes on and on, and on and on.
But I have heard people, men ofGod, men and women of God, talk
about manifestation and likecalling you know, oh.
And then another scripture thatpeople list is calling those
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things which be not as thoughthey are.
And people try to back upmanifestation with that
scripture.
And again, it's taking it outof context, because you
absolutely can call your bodyhealed when it's not healed.
You can call someone free fromdrugs.
When they're not free fromdrugs, you can do those things.
That's calling those thingswhich be not as though they are.
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It's an act of faith.
But when you take it from an actof faith and you switch it over
to I'm manifesting a healthyreport.
I'm manifesting a healthyreport.
I'm manifesting $10,000 in mybank account.
I'm manifesting my husband tocome and find me.
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Again, you become God, youbecome the author.
Because here's the thing whenyou get that thing that you're
manifesting, where does theglory come from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give God glory?
Manifesting where did the glorycome from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give god glory because
you did the work right?
You did all the manifesting,you brought it in right.
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No, god is the one god and andoh I yeah, I could just go on
and on, but I'm gonna leave itat that, because I think that
manifestation and, you know,calling things into your life,
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is a very dangerous demonicdoctrine and it's taken out of
the context of scripture andit's dangerous and I just I want
to leave it at that context ofscripture and it's dangerous and
I just I want to leave it atthat.
But you know, there's evenpeople who consider that like
manifestation, a spiritualawakening, and even that is, uh,
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dangerously demonic well it is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's a doctrine of devils, it's a doctrine of
demons and, um, I just don'tthink that the body of Christ
talks about it enough.
Obviously, we want to talkabout the doctrine of Jesus
Christ, but he also told usdon't be ignorant.
Ok, and I think about the earlychurch, I mean, they talked
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about this kind of stuff a lotbecause there was all kind of
paganism going on.
They talked about this kind ofstuff a lot because there was
all kind of paganism going on.
They talked about this kind ofstuff.
They talked about how deceiverswould come, and they talked
about that.
They talked about this.
And yet, here we are, 2024, andnow you are.
(10:01):
What are they I'm trying tothink of?
Like some of the weird stuffthat I've heard people say
whenever you choose to stand onBible, you choose to stand on
Bible, like Jesus told us to do,but they condemn you for that.
You know what I'm saying, andit's really not about bringing
division.
It is about casting out thelies and the devil, though, and
(10:27):
you know, um, what you said.
To be clear, it's like oh, theonly man, like manifestation,
that word has been hijacked.
Yeah, the holy spirit that thatword has been hijacked.
I agree that this word didoriginate with the Lord.
The Holy Spirit has hismanifestations of power and
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glory, but they're hismanifestations of power and
glory.
You know.
The Lord is the one who getsthe glory for these things.
I loved how you explained that,because that's the difference
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and it's very.
It is so sneaky and subtle thatthat, unless you pause, you
would miss it completely.
I can see how believers arefalling for this mess.
When you're instead allowingwhat feels good, you're allowing
culture, you're allowing allthese other things to speak with
a louder voice than what theword of God said.
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The word of God is how he choseto lives in me that is a
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doctrine of demons, that rightthere.
you know it's like it's sosubtle.
It's so subtle, but we areliving in times where we have to
pay attention to this kind ofstuff and I want to tell anybody
listening like don't take ourword for it no, you know go to
the lord yourself.
(12:16):
You know what I'm saying go tothe word go to the word.
Go to the word.
Jesus christ is the word.
We pick it up.
Read what the word says, seewhat he has to say about this
stuff, and and let the holyspirit begin to teach you,
because that's his job.
Amen, he's our teacher and hewill reveal um to us.
(12:36):
We just gotta ask, just like Iwas saying just ask him what is
true, yep what is the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
There's even been times where, like, I will not
know a word, like, what doesthat word mean?
I will ask the holy spirit,holy spirit, what does that word
mean?
And he'll tell me, and I'm likecool.
And then I'll even like, likelater I'll read the definition
of it and go, oh my gosh, oh,that is what that means.
But it's just confirming,because you know the holy
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spirit's not a liar, so he's notgoing to tell me something
that's wrong, but he desires togive us the answers.
We just have to ask him Ifhearing the voice of God or
hearing from the Holy Spirit issomething that you struggle with
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, I would suggest asking andthen going to the Word of God,
because there's been times whereI'll ask God a question, and
this was before I heard Himclearly, and I don't mean in an
audible voice, I mean I heardHim in my spirit.
This was before I heard Him inmy spirit.
I would ask a question.
This was before I heard him inmy spirit.
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I would ask a question and thenI would randomly open the bible
and more often than not I wouldopen directly to where I needed
to be in the word of God,because God knows what scripture
I need to read, knows where Ineed to be in the bible to
answer my question, and he willspeak to you that way if you're
open and willing to take thetime and listen to him that way.
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And here's the thing you have toknow the Bible.
I don't care who you are, Idon't care what church you go to
, what denomination you are, Idon't care if you were a
Christian from the day you wereborn or you just became a
Christian today.
You have to know the Bible.
You have to because if youdon't know the Word of God, you
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will be led astray.
The Bible says that even thevery elect, even those who are
very familiar with the Word ofGod, who speak to the Holy
Spirit daily, who are walking inthe Spirit with God, even the
very elect will be led astray.
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And so you have to know theword.
If you want to stay on thestraight and narrow with Jesus,
you have to know the word.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's just the way it is.
You know, I went a lot of years.
I went a long, long, long, longtime with a Bible that I would
take with me.
I would pack it up in my boxes.
I would move it to the nextdepartment, I would pack it up.
I had a Bible but I did notread it for the longest time.
And that lack of knowledge, ohman, I suffered.
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I suffered so bad.
The devil was beating me up,deceiving me.
It was just craziness.
And then the Lord told me.
He said you want to know?
You want to know who I am?
He said there's a whole bookabout me.
He said pick up your Bible andread it.
And I read that thing, I readit, I read the whole thing, and
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it doesn't take as long as youmay think.
But I began to know him and hesaid that my people perish for a
lack of knowledge.
Right, well, the Bible isknowledge and I don't want to
perish.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know, I don't want to perish and I also.
I just want to add this youknow, a lot of some people have
said and I used to be one ofthem that reading the Bible is
hard because I don't know whatit all means.
But it's the Holy Spirit, it'sthe Lord's job to help you
understand.
Your job is just to engage withthe word.
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He will help you understandwhat you're reading.
Your job is to engage with theword of god, and that that
understanding will come in veryunique ways, like you were
saying.
You know he would.
He would point it out to you.
I have asked him a question inmy heart.
I didn't even speak it out loud, me too.
I'd asked him.
(16:46):
There was a um, if you remember,when the pharisees.
The scriptures tell us how thepharisees were trying to trick
jesus so that they could bring acharge against him.
They were trying to trick himand jesus said who does this
coin belong to?
Whose face is on this coin?
You know what I'm talking about.
Whose face is on this coin?
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And they said Caesar.
He said give to God whatbelongs to God and give to
Caesar what belongs.
I had a lot of question aboutthat.
I was like what were theytrying to get Jesus to say?
Because the scriptures don'toutright tell you that to say,
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because the scriptures don'toutright tell you that?
And then the next day, I saw arandom video pop up on my feed
that answered that specificquestion.
I was like, oh, and that's howI began to realize, okay, well,
this is how the Lord, like hespeaks to me and he's, he is
alive and he, he's alive.
You know, he's not just an idea, he's not just he is literally
alive right now and, of course,he's going to answer your
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question.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
He loves you.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know, he wants you to know, you draw near to
him, he draws near to you andyou notice, and that's just the
way that it is that that versestarts with when you draw near
to god, he draws near to you.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You have to make the first step.
God is always, always, alwaysseeking you out, but you have to
take the first step towards him, because he's been there the
whole entire time waiting foryou.
But you got to step forward.
And here's my advice If youstruggle to read the word of God
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, if you struggle to understandit, like we were talking about,
read it anyway.
Read it anyway, because themore you do, the more you'll be
surprised that you begin tounderstand it.
You begin to make sense of it,because it's the Holy Spirit
that's actually helping youunderstand it.
(18:52):
And if you struggle to read likeI know some people struggle to
just sit down and read, likethey can't stay still or they
struggle to focus then downloadthe Bible app and while you're
working or while you're taking awalk, or while you're taking
care of your children orwhatever you're doing, put some
headphones in or play it on aspeaker and listen to the Bible
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app all the time.
If it's routine for you to driveto work, put it on in the car
and listen to it when you driveto work.
If it's routine for you to workout at the gym, put it on in
your headphones and listen to itwhen you drive to work.
If it's routine for you to workout at the gym, put it on in
your headphones and listen to itwhile you work out.
There's so many ways that youcan get the word in you without
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sitting there and struggling tounderstand it or sitting there
and spending hours and hours andhours.
If you make it a habit to be inthe word of God, it will be the
best decision that you've evermade in your entire life,
because then you're buildingyourself up spiritually, and you
it will be harder for you to beled astray when you have the
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word of God in your heart.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's so true.
That's so true, that's so true.
I think about the people whohave passed away, like my mother
and my father, both passed awayrecently.
I think about their life and Ithink about just some of the
things that, like I know, my momdidn't know.
I know that she didn't knowfrom just not studying the word
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of God or I don't know.
You just think about that kindof stuff and it's like he's put
his word at our disposal.
We have more access to theBible than any other time in
history.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know right, because the scripture, the
scripture does, the scripturedoes tell us OK, the time is
coming where there will be alack of the word, we'll be
wanting to get that word, butright now we're so blessed, we
have it on our phone, you haveit on YouTube for free.
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You have, you know, and thiscountry is getting persecuted.
You got to smuggle the Bible inyep it's illegal to have a
bible.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I just think of some places.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I guess I just think about all that kind of
stuff like I'm someone like,okay, well, what does this say?
You know?
Uh, there's so many ways to getit in.
I also just um, I sharedsomething the other day about
this.
This is something else the Lordhas been teaching me, not just
about Bible, but just in general.
He was teaching me that if wedo the bare minimum and we do
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that bare minimum five, 10minutes a day, but we're
consistent at that, over timethat bare minimum becomes your
new standard, becomes your newbaseline.
And so you just went from notspending any time in the word to
spending five minutes.
That's the new standard.
Okay, after five minutes, youcan grow like the baseline grows
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you right, and and it'llincrease over time and it's just
a natural thing that willhappen.
The Lord will make you hungry,like you can't taste, oh yeah,
and not want more.
That's you know.
He will make you.
He will do that that is thething.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That is the thing is the more of the word of god that
you get in your heart, the moreyou read the bible, the more
hungry you are.
It's like I think about it thisway when you eat a little bit
of food, that jumpstarts yourdigestive system and it makes
you more hungry.
You want more food and so, inthe same sense, the word of God
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is our spiritual food.
So when you eat a little bit,or in other words, read a little
bit, then you're going to behungry for more of the word and
it's it's natural, like you'renaturally going to want more of
the word because you're going togo.
Wait a minute.
This is really, really good.
This is really good stuff.
I want more, and you willnotice yourself being more
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hungry for the word, and it's abeautiful thing and it's easy to
see.
Like you were saying, know, ifyou start out with five minutes
a day, that's going toeventually turn into 10 minutes
a day and it'll be natural youwon't be striving or pushing
yourself in a stressful way.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You'll actually desire to have more time with
him yeah, so good, so so goodand uh, oh, it's just so good
because it really is all aboutmore than I mean.
Yes, it is about knowing theword so that we do not fall into
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deception, because that's kindof a very sobering thought.
It's kind of I mean, I want tosay scary, but to think that you
could be believing something isof god and it's not.
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That's kind of like whoa youhave, you have to know the word
in order to be able to discernthose kinds of things.
But more than that, your wordis helping you know Jesus.
It's helping you know who he is.
It's helping you to see evenwhat he says about you and your
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own identity.
You to see even what he saysabout you and your own identity.
You know more than we've beentalking a lot about just
knowledge of truth and makingsure that we are walking that,
that path, that he's leading usin, this path of righteousness.
But it's so much deeper thanjust that.
It's.
It's really about him.
It's about coming into rightrelationship, if you will.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, fellowship, yes , fellowshipping with him,
spending time with communionwith him that's really what it's
about so I want to ask you,what is something else that you
believe could easily deceive thechurch?
Something either from like thenew age or some kind of teaching
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or doctrine that could easilyenter the church or already has.
That could be deceiving thepeople of god this is so good.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Where do I start?
Goodness, I feel like I couldlook around at any.
I got a couple.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I got a couple too I got a couple too, but I want to
see uh, I want to see which one.
What is on your heart that yousaid so.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, so I'm gonna say it.
Um talking to spirits talkingto um I.
I know for a fact that there'speople who believe that they're
talking to angels.
They believe that they'retalking to um even I don't know,
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just spirits, even deceasedloved ones.
People believe this that'snecromancy it is, it just is,
and that is, um, it's such anasty, nasty scheme of satan.
It's so ugly and wicked that hewould, um, just take advantage
of a person's pain, becauseusually it is pain in a person
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that's causing them to seek outa message from their dead loved
one.
Right, yeah, but that kind ofstuff.
I have definitely the Lord'sallowed me to see some of this
happening in his church, andit's not of God, it's.
We just need so much moreteaching on this, on what is a
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familiar spirit.
That kind of stuff I'm on forsure that would be one big one.
You know, the lord tells us totest every spirit of you know of
the same word of god tells usthat the devil is masquerading
as an angel of light.
Then why are we not out heretesting every spirit the way he
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told us to do?
He puts it into the scripture.
He tells us how to do it, hetells you how to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Every spirit, test every spirit.
He wouldn't say every spirit ifhe didn't mean every spirit.
That's right you know, and youhave to know, that not every
spirit that speaks is of god.
Not every spirit that tells youwhat you want to hear is of god
.
I mean, like for you mentionedfamiliar spirit.
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I think there definitely needsto be more teaching on familiar
spirits.
Maybe that's something we cantalk about in another one, some
other time, cause I think thatcould be a whole entire podcast
on its own.
But I will say that I knowpeople personally who have dealt
with familiar spirits, and Ieven had dealt with familiar
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spirits before the Lorddelivered me.
But there are people whobelieve that they're hearing
from the Holy Spirit and likehearing off the wall.
Things like that are completelycontrary to the word and
believing that it's from God andit's not from a familiar spirit
, because a familiar spirit willstudy a person and know exactly
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who their loved ones are,exactly who their friends are,
exactly.
You know the kind of advicethey receive, the kind of
instruction they receive, thatthey can lead that person astray
because that person willbelieve that familiar spirit and
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so it's bad.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yes, it is bad.
Yes, it's bad and I'll be honest.
The Lord is not offendedwhenever we ask him.
He's not offended when he'sspeaking to us.
Yeah, we get to the point whereyou know, you know the Lord's
voice, but he's not offended byus testing something that we
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believe that we heard from him.
He's not offended by that.
He's not offended by that byany means.
Right, why would we not testevery spirit?
It says every spirit, just likeyou said yeah, and so, yeah,
you're right.
This false Holy Spirit like,come on, that could be its own
episode.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It probably has to be .
This false Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, I feel like this is really leading into like
a deeper conversation, becauseit is this false Holy Spirit
that has believers thinking thatit's okay to read these weird
books, it's okay if I justascend up to heaven and walk
around, it's okay if I do thismeditation, because they feel
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like they heard the holy spiritsay this kind of thing, like
it's dangerous.
Um, we just don't see thatexample, and this is, I mean,
it's all, like we're all keepcoming back to the same point.
You got to know the wordbecause if it is contrary to the
word of god, then you need topass that thing out, pass that
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thing down.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
you know, and here's the other thing too, for a very
practical step.
A very practical application tothis is we keep saying test
every spirit, test every spirit.
Well, if you're listening tothis and you're like, how in the
world do I test the spirit?
What does that even mean?
How in the world do I test thespirit?
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What does that even mean Then?
What that means is, when youhear a voice, when you hear a
spirit speaking to you or youhear something, you test it by
saying did Jesus Christ come inthe flesh and or is Jesus Christ
Lord?
Because the Bible says that anyspirit that has not come from
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God will not testify that JesusChrist came in the flesh and
will not testify that JesusChrist is Lord.
So how do you test the spirit?
You ask those two questions andif you hear that spirit say no,
jesus Christ did not come inthe flesh or jesus christ is not
lord, then you know that is nota spirit from god.
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And if you hear it say yes,jesus christ came in the flesh
sometimes I'll hear the wholesentence, sometimes I'll just
hear yes then you know, okay, Ican trust this spirit, I can
trust that this is the HolySpirit speaking to me, and the
same applies for people, like,if you're listening to different
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pastors, different evangelists,different prophets, different
people or leaders, you can eventest the spirit behind those
people.
And I think actually that'sextremely important to do
because, I mean, there's beentimes where, like I, I will very
much so trust the person thatis preaching, or trust the
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person that is leading, and Iwill test the spirit behind that
person and, very surprisingly,I hear that no, jesus Christ did
not come to the flesh.
Or I will hear something elsevery specific to the situation
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or the person, and it's alarmingbecause, you know, someone can
very much so be led of the Lordand very much so be of God and
then very quickly take a leftturn and then be operating in a
wrong spirit.
And I think it's important totest the spirit behind those who
are leading you, because Idon't care what seminary they
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went to, I don't care what biblecollege they went to, I don't
care if they've been a preacher,a pastor, for 57 years, I don't
care, they can lead you astrayjust like anyone else can.
So you have to even test thepeople who are leading you.
And that's not like in a like adishonorable way or like a oh,
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like you're saying, like I youknow, not to trust the people.
No, I'm saying be conscious ofthose who are leading you,
because you don't want to end upin the category of those who
are going to be led astray.
Like you have to be willing totest the spirit behind people,
behind ministers, behind spiritsthat are saying to you.
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Like you have to be willing tobecause you know not again, like
we were saying earlier, noteveryone that says that they're
of God or every thing that seemslike it's of God is of God.
So you just have to be mindfulof that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Is like it's of God is of God, so you just have to
be mindful of that.
Yeah, and so, for those who arewanting to dig deeper, go read
1 John, chapter four.
Yes, 1 John, chapter four.
Beloved, do not believe everyspirit, but test the spirits to
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see whether they are from God,for many false prophets have
gone out into the world, soimportant, and it goes on to
tell you, just like you weresaying so so good, it is so good
.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I've even like prayed that and asked the lord is this
person you know, a person ofgod, or is this person you know?
I?
I've prayed that, I've testedthe spirit behind leaders before
and like I'm not specificallylike calling out any particular
leader.
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That's not my heart posture atall, but I will say there has
been times where I have testedthe spirit and I have heard the
Lord very clearly say that theyhave been deceived.
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They've been compromised, theyhave been compromised and even
like the week before that, itmight not have been that way.
I have heard the Holy Spiritsay one time soothsayer.
And I was like what in theworld is that?
What is a soothsayer?
and I actually found it in theword and oh yeah and I, I was
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looking into and praying into it, and a soothsayer is someone
who says everything that youwant to hear.
They will.
They'll.
They'll say what you want tohear, but they won't say the
things that are going to convictyou and cause you to live a
holy life.
They will say what your fleshwants to hear, not what your
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spirit needs to hear.
And and that was alarming I waslike, wow, what?
Because I just gotta protectthat.
And so that's why, like youcan't just assume that everyone
is of God, because and I'm evenlisten, I even this is so
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serious that, if you'relistening to this, test the
spirit behind Jamis and I,because, like the two of us,
just because we're listening tothis, test the spirit behind
Jameis and I, because, like thetwo of us, just because we're
talking about this, we are notabove, like you know, making a
mistake or being, you know, likewe're not above that, we're not
above, um, none of us are abovebeing deceived.
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And so I just I say, like it isso serious that you test every
spirit because you just don'twant to fall into that category
of being led astray that's sotrue, this is so good.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I wish we could talk longer.
I don't have to hop off me too.
Is there anything else that youfeel like?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
yes, like, needs to be said yes, two things and I
can be very quick about it, butI want you to chime in
especially on one of them,because I know it's I, I know
you're gonna have something tosay at least about one of them.
Yeah, so these two things Ithink are extremely important to
touch on.
We don't have to go into toomuch detail I don't think it'll
be necessary because it'llnarrow down to the point but one
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of them is oneness, and it'sthe belief that everything is
one and connected.
And so I mean, if you thinkabout, there's so many groups,
church groups and even groupsoutside of the church in the
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secular world, that push forunity, and I think unity is a
very necessary and beautifulthing and we absolutely need
unity in the body of christ.
But when it comes to, like youknow, the world and the world
system pushing for unity, andthen we have, you know,
christians pushing um, one ofthe things is that, um, I think
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sometimes christians will adoptthe idea of unity as if it were
the gospel itself, and so, like,being one and being in unity
can easily become an idol and um, you know what goes along with
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that is like oh, keep the peace,you know, keep the peace, keep
the peace, never call outpeople's beliefs, never call
people out when they're wrong.
Um, just keep the peace, theimmunity, and like that's a
dangerous thing, because if theyou know the Bible says that we
are to righteously judge, well,how can you righteously judge
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someone if it will be seen asdisunity?
Right, how can you call out awrong teaching or a wrong
doctrine if it will be seen asdisunity?
How can you separate frompeople that are leading you
astray or separate from peoplethat are not healthy for you, if
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it will be seen as disunity?
And so I think the concept ofunity is obviously very
important in the body of Christ,but I think it can also be
taken out of context and youknow it kind of pushes like you
don't want to be intolerant oryou don't want to be in disunity
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, but we're never commanded tobe doormat to false teaching, to
false treatment, you know, likebad being treated badly or
terrible theology, like we'renever supposed to stand for
those things.
And so if if you do stand forthose things, so if you do stand
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for those things, then youcould very easily be seen as
causing disunity, and so youknow we shouldn't allow harmful
teaching in the church just tokeep the peace, like when you do
that, like literal souls are atstake, and so I think that it
was important to mention.
You know, unity is veryimportant, just like having
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faith in the scriptures anddeclaring the scriptures and
declaring health and healing andyou know the actual word of God
over our situation.
That is important.
It can easily be taken out ofcontext and it can easily be
twisted and become idolatry, andso I just wanted to mention
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that because I know that that'ssomething a lot of church
communities and even peopleoutside of church are pushing
for unity, and you know I meanthe bible even says like not to
be united with evil right, ohyeah, psalm one.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Blessed are those who don't even walk in the council
of the wicked, oh, like it'sright there, it's very clear,
and I so I wanted to mentionthat.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And then the other thing I wanted to mention, uh,
is mysticism.
And mysticism is seeking adivine, spiritual experience and
discovering a hidden meaningabout god or the universe.
And I wanted to mention thisbecause it's dangerous,
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specifically because, obviously,like, we all want to have deep
encounters with the Holy Spiritand deep encounters with God,
but did you know that youactually find that in the word?
Like, you will have those deepencounters with the Holy Spirit
in the secret place, in theplace of prayer, and you don't
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have to go searching, you know,and striving to have these
moments, because you know theHoly Spirit actually desires to
encounter you in deep, intimateways.
And I think that the concept ofmysticism is, it's almost like
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thriving.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It is and, if I can just be blunt to say it like it
is, it's new age.
It is absolutely Like if whatwe're seeking for is deeper
encounter with the Lord, okay,that's what I want too.
I want that deeper encounterwith the Lord.
But I will say that, yeah, alot of the language of mysticism
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and the practice is works, itis striving, and we don't have
to do that.
We just don't have to do that.
And, oh man, I just feel likewe could just talk forever.
We should write a book, girl.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
There's so much about like new age.
There's so much about thatsubject that needs to be
explored, because A people don'teven know what it is.
They're practicing it.
It sounds cool, it soundsbeautiful, it is.
It sounds like light, but it'sit's not it's not, it's not
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truth.
It's not truth.
And that's really the questionis this truth?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
yeah, and the thing is is that people who are
practicing mysticism, they'relooking to get hidden knowledge
and to understand things aboutGod that other people have not
had the revelation of, and Ithink that that's even a
dangerous place to be, becausethe word of God is clear, that
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his word is all we need.
And are you going to haveexperiences with him outside of
the word of God?
Yeah, of course, in the placeof prayer.
But you know, I think a lot oftimes mysticism is seen in like
hyper charismatic circles, andit can be seen in other circles
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as well, but I think hypercharismatic is a big one, um,
and not that charismatic is bad.
I think charismatic is great,but obviously, like, just like
we were saying with, everythingcan be taken out of context,
everything can be twisted,everything can be taken way
further than it needs to be.
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And you know, I think, withmysticism, the reason it's
enticing to people who desire tohave those deeper spiritual
encounters with god, becausethere's a lust for the
supernatural and that that thatis what leads people astray and
it's demonic yeah, yeah, redflags.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
We can't want the, we can't want his hands more than
we want him.
We can't want to see.
Uh, I love, I love the fire ofgod, first of all.
I love the fire of god.
I love to see the miracle signsand wonders.
I love it.
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But I, we cannot want that morethan we want him.
And when you get that backwards, when wanting the, when wanting
that becomes an idol, that'swhen you've crossed over and
that's when you're in the dangerzone.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, yeah you know well, I mean mysticism, you know
, desiring that hidden knowledgeis very similar to like
narcissism and we won't get intothat.
But I mean that is dangeroustoo.
So, um, yeah, I think overall,if you speak his face, if you
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seek his word more than anythingand you truly, wholeheartedly
desire to please the Lord anddesire to stay on the straight
and narrow, you will be okay.
You'll be okay, because yourdesire is for the Lord, and only
the Lord, jesus Christ, andthat's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yes, he said seek first the kingdom of God.
All these things will be addedto you, so we don't have to go
seek out an encounter.
We don't have to seek, we don'thave to seek it.
He said seek the kingdom andhis righteousness.
You put that in right order andhis righteousness.
You put that in right order andhis righteousness.
And then you do that.
Everything else, everythingelse falls into place.
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You got to put it in rightorder.
You can't make an idol out ofanything, right?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
god's a god of order.
He's a god of order, so he'snot going to do things out of
order.
If you're not seeking his face,if you're not seeking his word,
he he's not gonna give youthese grand experiences if you
don't even want him becausethose things could destroy you.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Exactly right, he's not gonna give you something
that you don't even know how tomanage and store it and it could
destroy you.
You think that you manifestedit?
You think, yep, I don't know.
You gotta, you gotta humbleyourself, just like we started
this conversation.
Go low, go, low go low and hewill.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
He will exalt you yeah, go low and he will meet
you right in that place andactually, when you're seeking
his faith and you're seeking hisword, and your whole, entire
heart is for the Lord, he willactually give you those intimate
, deep, revelatory encounterswith him, because you're seeking
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him first.
That is where you willencounter those intimate moments
yeah, because he wants thoseintimate moments too.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
He loves you deeply.
He wants those intimate moments.
They have to come in the rightway, exactly, you know.
Um.
So anyways, this has beenlovely.
I wish we kept going.
Would you?
I know you have have it in you,so I'm going to ask you would
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you release a prayer over thelistener and whatever way the
Lord is leading you.
I can just.
I know he's deposited somethingin you and I want you to
release that.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yes, of course.
Ok, Lord, god, I pray for thosewho are listening.
I pray for the person who hasunintentionally been deceived by
any of the things that we'vementioned, whether it's the
manifestation, the law ofattraction, unity in the wrong
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context, mysticism speaking tospirit, wrong spirit, or
whatever it may be, and eventhose things that we hadn't
named.
But right now, they have aburning in their heart, like
they know that they've beenparticipating in something that
is not of god, or maybe they'vebeen reading books that that is
not of God, or maybe they'vebeen reading books that they
know are not of God, orlistening to teachings or things
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that they just they have thatfeeling in their spirit, even
right now, as we're praying,that they say wow, I don't think
that's of God, I think I needto let that go.
Lord, I pray for that personlistening.
I pray, holy Spirit, that youwould give them an understanding
of the things that we've spokenabout tonight and give them a
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deep yearning for your truth,for the only truth, which is the
truth of Jesus Christ and yourword.
God, I pray that you wouldbreak down and dismantle the
lies that they have believed, tobreak down and dismantle the
demonic doctrines that have ledthem the wrong way.
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And, god, I also pray that youwould reveal to them that you
are a forgiving God, that ifthey have been led astray, if
they have believed things thatare not of you or contrary to
the word that you are aforgiving God, you're merciful
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and you are willing to receivethem, you are willing to wash
away the things that haveattempted to lead them astray.
And, lord, god, I pray that youwould just welcome them with
open arms, like a big daddy Godhug.
And I pray, lord, that thosewho are listening would run into
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your arms, would jump up intoyour lap and would receive the
comfort that you offer, wouldreceive the forgiveness and the
grace that you so freely offer.
And, lord God, I even pray forthose who maybe they haven't
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participated in these things,but they have a fear of being
led astray, a fear of being ledastray by leaders or led astray
by different kinds of teachings,or whatever the case may be.
Lord, I pray for those who arefearful of being led astray and
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I pray that you calm the fearthat's in their hearts, calm the
fear that's in their mind.
Actually, we uproot that fearin Jesus' name and I pray that
you would replace it with fearfor the Lord, the deep honor for
you, lord, and that you wouldreassure them that you have your
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hand upon their life, thatyou're a good, good, good father
, and you can't be anything butgood.
I pray that you would realignthe spirit of the person
listening and bring them into adeeper understanding of your
word and stir a desire in everysingle one of us to read your
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word more, and more and more,until we just can't get enough
of it.
I thank you, holy Spirit, forshedding light on these topics,
and I pray, lord, that theunderstanding of these things
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would set people free.
Lord, because we know that wecan receive deliverance even
through knowledge.
When we receive knowledge ofyour word and knowledge of your
ways, that alone can set us free, and so I pray that freedom
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would come to those listening inany way that they need it, and
I thank you in advance for that.
God, you're such a good father.
Continue to reveal yourself toeach of us, continue to pour out
your spirit on each of us andcontinue to stir a desire to
know you better, to know yourword better.
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I thank you, god, that we don'tneed all these extra things,
because we have you, and I justpraise you, lord.
I praise you, god, that wedon't need all these extra
things because we have you, andI just praise you, lord.
I praise you, thank you foryour Holy Spirit, which is our
teacher.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
In Jesus' name, amen, amen, amen, and I will end with
this Is that a feeling to thelistener?
That feeling is conviction.
It is not condemnation.
Come on, that's true.
That feeling is, it'sconviction from the holy spirit.
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My conviction is is love good,not condemned?
Just return because he'salready.
He's already here, yeah, youknow so.
Thank you so much, jannie.
This was so good, thank you wegotta do this more yeah, we do.
This was really good, and I havea strange feeling that we've
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been doing this for just alittle strange feeling, yeah,
strange feelings that we'd bedoing this for Just a little
strange feeling, yeah, oh man,time flies.
That's a wrap for this episode.
As always, we thank you to thelistener.
We thank you so much for tuningin and we just pray that this
edifies you in some way.
If you want to connect withDani, all that information will
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be in the show notes of thisepisode.
If you want to connect with me,go to my Instagram Action Meets
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That's the best way.
That's where I hang out onsocial media.
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.
I pray the Lord blesses you andkeeps you until we meet again.
You become God, you become the author, because
here's the thing, when you getthat thing that you're
manifesting, where does theglory come from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give God glory Because
you did the work right?
You did all the manifesting.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is part two of our conversation with Dani Kaye.
If you have not listened topart one, go back and listen to
part one.
Go back and listen to episodenumber 34.
Let's not waste any time, we'lldive right into the intro.
Welcome back to a new creationpodcast where we are pointing
women towards victory in Christ.
One Jesus story at a time.
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My name is Kermese.
I'm your host.
Let's go.
Let's go Before we get started.
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Heavenly Father, I just liftyour name and I just pray that
you would edify the listener,that this word would edify the
listener, that they would beable to hear what the Spirit of
the Lord is saying.
Lord Jesus, God, right now, Ijust ask that you would cause
your daughter, on the other end,cause your son, who may be
listening to this episode, lordJesus, to hear your heart, to
hear you, lord Jesus, and letevery other voice that is not
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the voice of the Heavenly Father, every other voice, be silenced
in Jesus' mighty name.
That your power, that your name, that your will be done on
earth as it already is in heaven, right here in this episode,
right there in the listener'shearts's hearts.
We bless you, we praise you inthe mighty name of jesus, amen.
You know, like I already I know, I'm seated in heavenly places
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in christ jesus.
I know that I don't have to doall of these very works-based
things that seem like they givepower, they seem like they are
godly, but they're not.
It's come on, so you know you?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
oh my gosh, sorry, there was a spider dangling
right in front of my face.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I had to kill it.
Okay, I was like I know, it'snot a cicada you're gonna have
to edit that part out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Um, anyway, okay, oh that was disgusting.
I can't believe I killed itwith my hand.
Um, anyway, um, you youmentioned something.
So, janice, I know that yousaid you came out of new age so
you dabbled with new age.
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You're familiar with, you, knowthat world.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And I am.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm fairly familiar with it.
I was around a lot of peoplewho were participating in that
and I was participating in itsome myself, and so I think one
of the you actually mentionedmanifests Okay, and I think that
that's something I want to talkabout, because I think that in
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the church world there's a lotof believers, there's a lot of
born again Christians thatdabble in new age without
realizing that they're dabblingin new age, and I think you know
that's the purpose of deception.
Right For the enemy to deceiveis for you to not know that
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you're being deceived, right?
Right, I think that there's alot of scriptures that are taken
out of context and that causepeople to dabble with these
things with the mindset thatthey're actually practicing the
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scriptures.
But they're not.
They're actually twisting thescriptures and practicing
deception.
And you mentioned manifest.
And you mentioned manifest andI want to talk about that,
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because the scripture I thinkthat is commonly with a little
bit is to point to prayer andthe power of agreement in prayer
, and I think sometimes peopletake that scripture and they
think that they can manifestthings with their words in it.
I really do believe that.
You know, people think thatthey're practicing that the
right way, but they take it justa tiny bit too far, to where
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then it becomes new agey.
And let me, let me explain itlike this so you have people on
one side who are saying Ideclare and decree that you're
going to be free from addiction,you're going to be free, you're
going to be healed of cancer, Ideclare you're going to be free
from this, free from that, andyou're praying and you're
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declaring over someone healthand you know prosperity and good
things, good godly things.
But then, on the other hand,there are people who take that
and they begin to twist it fortheir selfish gain.
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And the reason I say that isbecause you'll have people who
say oh, I'm manifesting a newhouse, I'm manifesting a house
that's paid for, like someone'sgiving me a house.
I'm manifesting healing in mybody, I, but do you hear?
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I, I, I, I.
That is pride, and what madethe devil fall?
Come on Pride.
So I think that you know it canvery easily cross over to a
practice that is I'm just goingto say it, it's demonic.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, say, yeah, say it like it is it really is.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's demonic because you are not the author of your
life.
God is the author and finisherof your faith and of your life,
and so when you try to manifestthings into your life, you
become God in your life, andthat is idolatry, that is
demonic, that is prideful, it'sevil.
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And so I mean I've even heardmen and women of God, I have
heard leaders, I have heard verygifted men and women of God
talk about manifestingprosperity, manifesting health,
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manifesting marriage,manifesting children,
manifesting I mean, the listgoes on and on, and on and on.
But I have heard people, men ofGod, men and women of God, talk
about manifestation and likecalling you know, oh.
And then another scripture thatpeople list is calling those
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things which be not as thoughthey are.
And people try to back upmanifestation with that
scripture.
And again, it's taking it outof context, because you
absolutely can call your bodyhealed when it's not healed.
You can call someone free fromdrugs.
When they're not free fromdrugs, you can do those things.
That's calling those thingswhich be not as though they are.
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It's an act of faith.
But when you take it from an actof faith and you switch it over
to I'm manifesting a healthyreport.
I'm manifesting a healthyreport.
I'm manifesting $10,000 in mybank account.
I'm manifesting my husband tocome and find me.
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Again, you become God, youbecome the author.
Because here's the thing whenyou get that thing that you're
manifesting, where does theglory come from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give God glory?
Manifesting where did the glorycome from?
Do you give yourself glory ordo you give god glory because
you did the work right?
You did all the manifesting,you brought it in right.
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No, god is the one god and andoh I yeah, I could just go on
and on, but I'm gonna leave itat that, because I think that
manifestation and, you know,calling things into your life,
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is a very dangerous demonicdoctrine and it's taken out of
the context of scripture andit's dangerous and I just I want
to leave it at that context ofscripture and it's dangerous and
I just I want to leave it atthat.
But you know, there's evenpeople who consider that like
manifestation, a spiritualawakening, and even that is, uh,
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dangerously demonic well it is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's a doctrine of devils, it's a doctrine of
demons and, um, I just don'tthink that the body of Christ
talks about it enough.
Obviously, we want to talkabout the doctrine of Jesus
Christ, but he also told usdon't be ignorant.
Ok, and I think about the earlychurch, I mean, they talked
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about this kind of stuff a lotbecause there was all kind of
paganism going on.
They talked about this kind ofstuff a lot because there was
all kind of paganism going on.
They talked about this kind ofstuff.
They talked about how deceiverswould come, and they talked
about that.
They talked about this.
And yet, here we are, 2024, andnow you are.
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What are they I'm trying tothink of?
Like some of the weird stuffthat I've heard people say
whenever you choose to stand onBible, you choose to stand on
Bible, like Jesus told us to do,but they condemn you for that.
You know what I'm saying, andit's really not about bringing
division.
It is about casting out thelies and the devil, though, and
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you know, um, what you said.
To be clear, it's like oh, theonly man, like manifestation,
that word has been hijacked.
Yeah, the holy spirit that thatword has been hijacked.
I agree that this word didoriginate with the Lord.
The Holy Spirit has hismanifestations of power and
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glory, but they're hismanifestations of power and
glory.
You know.
The Lord is the one who getsthe glory for these things.
I loved how you explained that,because that's the difference
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and it's very.
It is so sneaky and subtle thatthat, unless you pause, you
would miss it completely.
I can see how believers arefalling for this mess.
When you're instead allowingwhat feels good, you're allowing
culture, you're allowing allthese other things to speak with
a louder voice than what theword of God said.
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The word of God is how he choseto lives in me that is a
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doctrine of demons, that rightthere.
you know it's like it's sosubtle.
It's so subtle, but we areliving in times where we have to
pay attention to this kind ofstuff and I want to tell anybody
listening like don't take ourword for it no, you know go to
the lord yourself.
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You know what I'm saying go tothe word go to the word.
Go to the word.
Jesus christ is the word.
We pick it up.
Read what the word says, seewhat he has to say about this
stuff, and and let the holyspirit begin to teach you,
because that's his job.
Amen, he's our teacher and hewill reveal um to us.
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We just gotta ask, just like Iwas saying just ask him what is
true, yep what is the truth.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
There's even been times where, like, I will not
know a word, like, what doesthat word mean?
I will ask the holy spirit,holy spirit, what does that word
mean?
And he'll tell me, and I'm likecool.
And then I'll even like, likelater I'll read the definition
of it and go, oh my gosh, oh,that is what that means.
But it's just confirming,because you know the holy
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spirit's not a liar, so he's notgoing to tell me something
that's wrong, but he desires togive us the answers.
We just have to ask him Ifhearing the voice of God or
hearing from the Holy Spirit issomething that you struggle with
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, I would suggest asking andthen going to the Word of God,
because there's been times whereI'll ask God a question, and
this was before I heard Himclearly, and I don't mean in an
audible voice, I mean I heardHim in my spirit.
This was before I heard Him inmy spirit.
I would ask a question.
This was before I heard him inmy spirit.
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I would ask a question and thenI would randomly open the bible
and more often than not I wouldopen directly to where I needed
to be in the word of God,because God knows what scripture
I need to read, knows where Ineed to be in the bible to
answer my question, and he willspeak to you that way if you're
open and willing to take thetime and listen to him that way.
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And here's the thing you have toknow the Bible.
I don't care who you are, Idon't care what church you go to
, what denomination you are, Idon't care if you were a
Christian from the day you wereborn or you just became a
Christian today.
You have to know the Bible.
You have to because if youdon't know the Word of God, you
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will be led astray.
The Bible says that even thevery elect, even those who are
very familiar with the Word ofGod, who speak to the Holy
Spirit daily, who are walking inthe Spirit with God, even the
very elect will be led astray.
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And so you have to know theword.
If you want to stay on thestraight and narrow with Jesus,
you have to know the word.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's just the way it is.
You know, I went a lot of years.
I went a long, long, long, longtime with a Bible that I would
take with me.
I would pack it up in my boxes.
I would move it to the nextdepartment, I would pack it up.
I had a Bible but I did notread it for the longest time.
And that lack of knowledge, ohman, I suffered.
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I suffered so bad.
The devil was beating me up,deceiving me.
It was just craziness.
And then the Lord told me.
He said you want to know?
You want to know who I am?
He said there's a whole bookabout me.
He said pick up your Bible andread it.
And I read that thing, I readit, I read the whole thing, and
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it doesn't take as long as youmay think.
But I began to know him and hesaid that my people perish for a
lack of knowledge.
Right, well, the Bible isknowledge and I don't want to
perish.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You know, I don't want to perish and I also.
I just want to add this youknow, a lot of some people have
said and I used to be one ofthem that reading the Bible is
hard because I don't know whatit all means.
But it's the Holy Spirit, it'sthe Lord's job to help you
understand.
Your job is just to engage withthe word.
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He will help you understandwhat you're reading.
Your job is to engage with theword of god, and that that
understanding will come in veryunique ways, like you were
saying.
You know he would.
He would point it out to you.
I have asked him a question inmy heart.
I didn't even speak it out loud, me too.
I'd asked him.
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There was a um, if you remember,when the pharisees.
The scriptures tell us how thepharisees were trying to trick
jesus so that they could bring acharge against him.
They were trying to trick himand jesus said who does this
coin belong to?
Whose face is on this coin?
You know what I'm talking about.
Whose face is on this coin?
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And they said Caesar.
He said give to God whatbelongs to God and give to
Caesar what belongs.
I had a lot of question aboutthat.
I was like what were theytrying to get Jesus to say?
Because the scriptures don'toutright tell you that to say,
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because the scriptures don'toutright tell you that?
And then the next day, I saw arandom video pop up on my feed
that answered that specificquestion.
I was like, oh, and that's howI began to realize, okay, well,
this is how the Lord, like hespeaks to me and he's, he is
alive and he, he's alive.
You know, he's not just an idea, he's not just he is literally
alive right now and, of course,he's going to answer your
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question.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
He loves you.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know, he wants you to know, you draw near to
him, he draws near to you andyou notice, and that's just the
way that it is that that versestarts with when you draw near
to god, he draws near to you.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You have to make the first step.
God is always, always, alwaysseeking you out, but you have to
take the first step towards him, because he's been there the
whole entire time waiting foryou.
But you got to step forward.
And here's my advice If youstruggle to read the word of God
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, if you struggle to understandit, like we were talking about,
read it anyway.
Read it anyway, because themore you do, the more you'll be
surprised that you begin tounderstand it.
You begin to make sense of it,because it's the Holy Spirit
that's actually helping youunderstand it.
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And if you struggle to read likeI know some people struggle to
just sit down and read, likethey can't stay still or they
struggle to focus then downloadthe Bible app and while you're
working or while you're taking awalk, or while you're taking
care of your children orwhatever you're doing, put some
headphones in or play it on aspeaker and listen to the Bible
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app all the time.
If it's routine for you to driveto work, put it on in the car
and listen to it when you driveto work.
If it's routine for you to workout at the gym, put it on in
your headphones and listen to itwhen you drive to work.
If it's routine for you to workout at the gym, put it on in
your headphones and listen to itwhile you work out.
There's so many ways that youcan get the word in you without
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sitting there and struggling tounderstand it or sitting there
and spending hours and hours andhours.
If you make it a habit to be inthe word of God, it will be the
best decision that you've evermade in your entire life,
because then you're buildingyourself up spiritually, and you
it will be harder for you to beled astray when you have the
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word of God in your heart.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's so true.
That's so true, that's so true.
I think about the people whohave passed away, like my mother
and my father, both passed awayrecently.
I think about their life and Ithink about just some of the
things that, like I know, my momdidn't know.
I know that she didn't knowfrom just not studying the word
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of God or I don't know.
You just think about that kindof stuff and it's like he's put
his word at our disposal.
We have more access to theBible than any other time in
history.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know right, because the scripture, the
scripture does, the scripturedoes tell us OK, the time is
coming where there will be alack of the word, we'll be
wanting to get that word, butright now we're so blessed, we
have it on our phone, you haveit on YouTube for free.
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You have, you know, and thiscountry is getting persecuted.
You got to smuggle the Bible inyep it's illegal to have a
bible.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I just think of some places.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I guess I just think about all that kind of
stuff like I'm someone like,okay, well, what does this say?
You know?
Uh, there's so many ways to getit in.
I also just um, I sharedsomething the other day about
this.
This is something else the Lordhas been teaching me, not just
about Bible, but just in general.
He was teaching me that if wedo the bare minimum and we do
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that bare minimum five, 10minutes a day, but we're
consistent at that, over timethat bare minimum becomes your
new standard, becomes your newbaseline.
And so you just went from notspending any time in the word to
spending five minutes.
That's the new standard.
Okay, after five minutes, youcan grow like the baseline grows
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you right, and and it'llincrease over time and it's just
a natural thing that willhappen.
The Lord will make you hungry,like you can't taste, oh yeah,
and not want more.
That's you know.
He will make you.
He will do that that is thething.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That is the thing is the more of the word of god that
you get in your heart, the moreyou read the bible, the more
hungry you are.
It's like I think about it thisway when you eat a little bit
of food, that jumpstarts yourdigestive system and it makes
you more hungry.
You want more food and so, inthe same sense, the word of God
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is our spiritual food.
So when you eat a little bit,or in other words, read a little
bit, then you're going to behungry for more of the word and
it's it's natural, like you'renaturally going to want more of
the word because you're going togo.
Wait a minute.
This is really, really good.
This is really good stuff.
I want more, and you willnotice yourself being more
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hungry for the word, and it's abeautiful thing and it's easy to
see.
Like you were saying, know, ifyou start out with five minutes
a day, that's going toeventually turn into 10 minutes
a day and it'll be natural youwon't be striving or pushing
yourself in a stressful way.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You'll actually desire to have more time with
him yeah, so good, so so goodand uh, oh, it's just so good
because it really is all aboutmore than I mean.
Yes, it is about knowing theword so that we do not fall into
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deception, because that's kindof a very sobering thought.
It's kind of I mean, I want tosay scary, but to think that you
could be believing something isof god and it's not.
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That's kind of like whoa youhave, you have to know the word
in order to be able to discernthose kinds of things.
But more than that, your wordis helping you know Jesus.
It's helping you know who he is.
It's helping you to see evenwhat he says about you and your
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own identity.
You to see even what he saysabout you and your own identity.
You know more than we've beentalking a lot about just
knowledge of truth and makingsure that we are walking that,
that path, that he's leading usin, this path of righteousness.
But it's so much deeper thanjust that.
It's.
It's really about him.
It's about coming into rightrelationship, if you will.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, fellowship, yes , fellowshipping with him,
spending time with communionwith him that's really what it's
about so I want to ask you,what is something else that you
believe could easily deceive thechurch?
Something either from like thenew age or some kind of teaching
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or doctrine that could easilyenter the church or already has.
That could be deceiving thepeople of god this is so good.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Where do I start?
Goodness, I feel like I couldlook around at any.
I got a couple.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I got a couple too I got a couple too, but I want to
see uh, I want to see which one.
What is on your heart that yousaid so.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, so I'm gonna say it.
Um talking to spirits talkingto um I.
I know for a fact that there'speople who believe that they're
talking to angels.
They believe that they'retalking to um even I don't know,
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just spirits, even deceasedloved ones.
People believe this that'snecromancy it is, it just is,
and that is, um, it's such anasty, nasty scheme of satan.
It's so ugly and wicked that hewould, um, just take advantage
of a person's pain, becauseusually it is pain in a person
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that's causing them to seek outa message from their dead loved
one.
Right, yeah, but that kind ofstuff.
I have definitely the Lord'sallowed me to see some of this
happening in his church, andit's not of God, it's.
We just need so much moreteaching on this, on what is a
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familiar spirit.
That kind of stuff I'm on forsure that would be one big one.
You know, the lord tells us totest every spirit of you know of
the same word of god tells usthat the devil is masquerading
as an angel of light.
Then why are we not out heretesting every spirit the way he
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told us to do?
He puts it into the scripture.
He tells us how to do it, hetells you how to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Every spirit, test every spirit.
He wouldn't say every spirit ifhe didn't mean every spirit.
That's right you know, and youhave to know, that not every
spirit that speaks is of god.
Not every spirit that tells youwhat you want to hear is of god
.
I mean, like for you mentionedfamiliar spirit.
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I think there definitely needsto be more teaching on familiar
spirits.
Maybe that's something we cantalk about in another one, some
other time, cause I think thatcould be a whole entire podcast
on its own.
But I will say that I knowpeople personally who have dealt
with familiar spirits, and Ieven had dealt with familiar
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spirits before the Lorddelivered me.
But there are people whobelieve that they're hearing
from the Holy Spirit and likehearing off the wall.
Things like that are completelycontrary to the word and
believing that it's from God andit's not from a familiar spirit
, because a familiar spirit willstudy a person and know exactly
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who their loved ones are,exactly who their friends are,
exactly.
You know the kind of advicethey receive, the kind of
instruction they receive, thatthey can lead that person astray
because that person willbelieve that familiar spirit and
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so it's bad.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yes, it is bad.
Yes, it's bad and I'll be honest.
The Lord is not offendedwhenever we ask him.
He's not offended when he'sspeaking to us.
Yeah, we get to the point whereyou know, you know the Lord's
voice, but he's not offended byus testing something that we
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believe that we heard from him.
He's not offended by that.
He's not offended by that byany means.
Right, why would we not testevery spirit?
It says every spirit, just likeyou said yeah, and so, yeah,
you're right.
This false Holy Spirit like,come on, that could be its own
episode.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It probably has to be .
This false Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, I feel like this is really leading into like
a deeper conversation, becauseit is this false Holy Spirit
that has believers thinking thatit's okay to read these weird
books, it's okay if I justascend up to heaven and walk
around, it's okay if I do thismeditation, because they feel
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like they heard the holy spiritsay this kind of thing, like
it's dangerous.
Um, we just don't see thatexample, and this is, I mean,
it's all, like we're all keepcoming back to the same point.
You got to know the wordbecause if it is contrary to the
word of god, then you need topass that thing out, pass that
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thing down.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
you know, and here's the other thing too, for a very
practical step.
A very practical application tothis is we keep saying test
every spirit, test every spirit.
Well, if you're listening tothis and you're like, how in the
world do I test the spirit?
What does that even mean?
How in the world do I test thespirit?
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What does that even mean Then?
What that means is, when youhear a voice, when you hear a
spirit speaking to you or youhear something, you test it by
saying did Jesus Christ come inthe flesh and or is Jesus Christ
Lord?
Because the Bible says that anyspirit that has not come from
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God will not testify that JesusChrist came in the flesh and
will not testify that JesusChrist is Lord.
So how do you test the spirit?
You ask those two questions andif you hear that spirit say no,
jesus Christ did not come inthe flesh or jesus christ is not
lord, then you know that is nota spirit from god.
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And if you hear it say yes,jesus christ came in the flesh
sometimes I'll hear the wholesentence, sometimes I'll just
hear yes then you know, okay, Ican trust this spirit, I can
trust that this is the HolySpirit speaking to me, and the
same applies for people, like,if you're listening to different
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pastors, different evangelists,different prophets, different
people or leaders, you can eventest the spirit behind those
people.
And I think actually that'sextremely important to do
because, I mean, there's beentimes where, like I, I will very
much so trust the person thatis preaching, or trust the
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person that is leading, and Iwill test the spirit behind that
person and, very surprisingly,I hear that no, jesus Christ did
not come to the flesh.
Or I will hear something elsevery specific to the situation
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or the person, and it's alarmingbecause, you know, someone can
very much so be led of the Lordand very much so be of God and
then very quickly take a leftturn and then be operating in a
wrong spirit.
And I think it's important totest the spirit behind those who
are leading you, because Idon't care what seminary they
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went to, I don't care what biblecollege they went to, I don't
care if they've been a preacher,a pastor, for 57 years, I don't
care, they can lead you astrayjust like anyone else can.
So you have to even test thepeople who are leading you.
And that's not like in a like adishonorable way or like a oh,
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like you're saying, like I youknow, not to trust the people.
No, I'm saying be conscious ofthose who are leading you,
because you don't want to end upin the category of those who
are going to be led astray.
Like you have to be willing totest the spirit behind people,
behind ministers, behind spiritsthat are saying to you.
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Like you have to be willing tobecause you know not again, like
we were saying earlier, noteveryone that says that they're
of God or every thing that seemslike it's of God is of God.
So you just have to be mindfulof that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Is like it's of God is of God, so you just have to
be mindful of that.
Yeah, and so, for those who arewanting to dig deeper, go read
1 John, chapter four.
Yes, 1 John, chapter four.
Beloved, do not believe everyspirit, but test the spirits to
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see whether they are from God,for many false prophets have
gone out into the world, soimportant, and it goes on to
tell you, just like you weresaying so so good, it is so good
.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I've even like prayed that and asked the lord is this
person you know, a person ofgod, or is this person you know?
I?
I've prayed that, I've testedthe spirit behind leaders before
and like I'm not specificallylike calling out any particular
leader.
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That's not my heart posture atall, but I will say there has
been times where I have testedthe spirit and I have heard the
Lord very clearly say that theyhave been deceived.
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They've been compromised, theyhave been compromised and even
like the week before that, itmight not have been that way.
I have heard the Holy Spiritsay one time soothsayer.
And I was like what in theworld is that?
What is a soothsayer?
and I actually found it in theword and oh yeah and I, I was
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looking into and praying into it, and a soothsayer is someone
who says everything that youwant to hear.
They will.
They'll.
They'll say what you want tohear, but they won't say the
things that are going to convictyou and cause you to live a
holy life.
They will say what your fleshwants to hear, not what your
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spirit needs to hear.
And and that was alarming I waslike, wow, what?
Because I just gotta protectthat.
And so that's why, like youcan't just assume that everyone
is of God, because and I'm evenlisten, I even this is so
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serious that, if you'relistening to this, test the
spirit behind Jamis and I,because, like the two of us,
just because we're listening tothis, test the spirit behind
Jameis and I, because, like thetwo of us, just because we're
talking about this, we are notabove, like you know, making a
mistake or being, you know, likewe're not above that, we're not
above, um, none of us are abovebeing deceived.
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And so I just I say, like it isso serious that you test every
spirit because you just don'twant to fall into that category
of being led astray that's sotrue, this is so good.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I wish we could talk longer.
I don't have to hop off me too.
Is there anything else that youfeel like?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
yes, like, needs to be said yes, two things and I
can be very quick about it, butI want you to chime in
especially on one of them,because I know it's I, I know
you're gonna have something tosay at least about one of them.
Yeah, so these two things Ithink are extremely important to
touch on.
We don't have to go into toomuch detail I don't think it'll
be necessary because it'llnarrow down to the point but one
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of them is oneness, and it'sthe belief that everything is
one and connected.
And so I mean, if you thinkabout, there's so many groups,
church groups and even groupsoutside of the church in the
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secular world, that push forunity, and I think unity is a
very necessary and beautifulthing and we absolutely need
unity in the body of christ.
But when it comes to, like youknow, the world and the world
system pushing for unity, andthen we have, you know,
christians pushing um, one ofthe things is that, um, I think
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sometimes christians will adoptthe idea of unity as if it were
the gospel itself, and so, like,being one and being in unity
can easily become an idol and um, you know what goes along with
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that is like oh, keep the peace,you know, keep the peace, keep
the peace, never call outpeople's beliefs, never call
people out when they're wrong.
Um, just keep the peace, theimmunity, and like that's a
dangerous thing, because if theyou know the Bible says that we
are to righteously judge, well,how can you righteously judge
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someone if it will be seen asdisunity?
Right, how can you call out awrong teaching or a wrong
doctrine if it will be seen asdisunity?
How can you separate frompeople that are leading you
astray or separate from peoplethat are not healthy for you, if
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it will be seen as disunity?
And so I think the concept ofunity is obviously very
important in the body of Christ,but I think it can also be
taken out of context and youknow it kind of pushes like you
don't want to be intolerant oryou don't want to be in disunity
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, but we're never commanded tobe doormat to false teaching, to
false treatment, you know, likebad being treated badly or
terrible theology, like we'renever supposed to stand for
those things.
And so if if you do stand forthose things, so if you do stand
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for those things, then youcould very easily be seen as
causing disunity, and so youknow we shouldn't allow harmful
teaching in the church just tokeep the peace, like when you do
that, like literal souls are atstake, and so I think that it
was important to mention.
You know, unity is veryimportant, just like having
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faith in the scriptures anddeclaring the scriptures and
declaring health and healing andyou know the actual word of God
over our situation.
That is important.
It can easily be taken out ofcontext and it can easily be
twisted and become idolatry, andso I just wanted to mention
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that because I know that that'ssomething a lot of church
communities and even peopleoutside of church are pushing
for unity, and you know I meanthe bible even says like not to
be united with evil right, ohyeah, psalm one.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Blessed are those who don't even walk in the council
of the wicked, oh, like it'sright there, it's very clear,
and I so I wanted to mentionthat.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And then the other thing I wanted to mention, uh,
is mysticism.
And mysticism is seeking adivine, spiritual experience and
discovering a hidden meaningabout god or the universe.
And I wanted to mention thisbecause it's dangerous,
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specifically because, obviously,like, we all want to have deep
encounters with the Holy Spiritand deep encounters with God,
but did you know that youactually find that in the word?
Like, you will have those deepencounters with the Holy Spirit
in the secret place, in theplace of prayer, and you don't
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have to go searching, you know,and striving to have these
moments, because you know theHoly Spirit actually desires to
encounter you in deep, intimateways.
And I think that the concept ofmysticism is, it's almost like
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thriving.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It is and, if I can just be blunt to say it like it
is, it's new age.
It is absolutely Like if whatwe're seeking for is deeper
encounter with the Lord, okay,that's what I want too.
I want that deeper encounterwith the Lord.
But I will say that, yeah, alot of the language of mysticism
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and the practice is works, itis striving, and we don't have
to do that.
We just don't have to do that.
And, oh man, I just feel likewe could just talk forever.
We should write a book, girl.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
There's so much about like new age.
There's so much about thatsubject that needs to be
explored, because A people don'teven know what it is.
They're practicing it.
It sounds cool, it soundsbeautiful, it is.
It sounds like light, but it'sit's not it's not, it's not
(43:40):
truth.
It's not truth.
And that's really the questionis this truth?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
yeah, and the thing is is that people who are
practicing mysticism, they'relooking to get hidden knowledge
and to understand things aboutGod that other people have not
had the revelation of, and Ithink that that's even a
dangerous place to be, becausethe word of God is clear, that
(44:08):
his word is all we need.
And are you going to haveexperiences with him outside of
the word of God?
Yeah, of course, in the placeof prayer.
But you know, I think a lot oftimes mysticism is seen in like
hyper charismatic circles, andit can be seen in other circles
(44:29):
as well, but I think hypercharismatic is a big one, um,
and not that charismatic is bad.
I think charismatic is great,but obviously, like, just like
we were saying with, everythingcan be taken out of context,
everything can be twisted,everything can be taken way
further than it needs to be.
(44:50):
And you know, I think, withmysticism, the reason it's
enticing to people who desire tohave those deeper spiritual
encounters with god, becausethere's a lust for the
supernatural and that that thatis what leads people astray and
it's demonic yeah, yeah, redflags.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
We can't want the, we can't want his hands more than
we want him.
We can't want to see.
Uh, I love, I love the fire ofgod, first of all.
I love the fire of god.
I love to see the miracle signsand wonders.
I love it.
(45:32):
But I, we cannot want that morethan we want him.
And when you get that backwards, when wanting the, when wanting
that becomes an idol, that'swhen you've crossed over and
that's when you're in the dangerzone.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, yeah you know well, I mean mysticism, you know
, desiring that hidden knowledgeis very similar to like
narcissism and we won't get intothat.
But I mean that is dangeroustoo.
So, um, yeah, I think overall,if you speak his face, if you
(46:09):
seek his word more than anythingand you truly, wholeheartedly
desire to please the Lord anddesire to stay on the straight
and narrow, you will be okay.
You'll be okay, because yourdesire is for the Lord, and only
the Lord, jesus Christ, andthat's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yes, he said seek first the kingdom of God.
All these things will be addedto you, so we don't have to go
seek out an encounter.
We don't have to seek, we don'thave to seek it.
He said seek the kingdom andhis righteousness.
You put that in right order andhis righteousness.
You put that in right order andhis righteousness.
And then you do that.
Everything else, everythingelse falls into place.
(46:56):
You got to put it in rightorder.
You can't make an idol out ofanything, right?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
god's a god of order.
He's a god of order, so he'snot going to do things out of
order.
If you're not seeking his face,if you're not seeking his word,
he he's not gonna give youthese grand experiences if you
don't even want him becausethose things could destroy you.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Exactly right, he's not gonna give you something
that you don't even know how tomanage and store it and it could
destroy you.
You think that you manifestedit?
You think, yep, I don't know.
You gotta, you gotta humbleyourself, just like we started
this conversation.
Go low, go, low go low and hewill.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
He will exalt you yeah, go low and he will meet
you right in that place andactually, when you're seeking
his faith and you're seeking hisword, and your whole, entire
heart is for the Lord, he willactually give you those intimate
, deep, revelatory encounterswith him, because you're seeking
(48:06):
him first.
That is where you willencounter those intimate moments
yeah, because he wants thoseintimate moments too.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
He loves you deeply.
He wants those intimate moments.
They have to come in the rightway, exactly, you know.
Um.
So anyways, this has beenlovely.
I wish we kept going.
Would you?
I know you have have it in you,so I'm going to ask you would
(48:40):
you release a prayer over thelistener and whatever way the
Lord is leading you.
I can just.
I know he's deposited somethingin you and I want you to
release that.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yes, of course.
Ok, Lord, god, I pray for thosewho are listening.
I pray for the person who hasunintentionally been deceived by
any of the things that we'vementioned, whether it's the
manifestation, the law ofattraction, unity in the wrong
(49:13):
context, mysticism speaking tospirit, wrong spirit, or
whatever it may be, and eventhose things that we hadn't
named.
But right now, they have aburning in their heart, like
they know that they've beenparticipating in something that
is not of god, or maybe they'vebeen reading books that that is
not of God, or maybe they'vebeen reading books that they
know are not of God, orlistening to teachings or things
(49:38):
that they just they have thatfeeling in their spirit, even
right now, as we're praying,that they say wow, I don't think
that's of God, I think I needto let that go.
Lord, I pray for that personlistening.
I pray, holy Spirit, that youwould give them an understanding
of the things that we've spokenabout tonight and give them a
(50:03):
deep yearning for your truth,for the only truth, which is the
truth of Jesus Christ and yourword.
God, I pray that you wouldbreak down and dismantle the
lies that they have believed, tobreak down and dismantle the
demonic doctrines that have ledthem the wrong way.
(50:25):
And, god, I also pray that youwould reveal to them that you
are a forgiving God, that ifthey have been led astray, if
they have believed things thatare not of you or contrary to
the word that you are aforgiving God, you're merciful
(50:47):
and you are willing to receivethem, you are willing to wash
away the things that haveattempted to lead them astray.
And, lord, god, I pray that youwould just welcome them with
open arms, like a big daddy Godhug.
And I pray, lord, that thosewho are listening would run into
(51:09):
your arms, would jump up intoyour lap and would receive the
comfort that you offer, wouldreceive the forgiveness and the
grace that you so freely offer.
And, lord God, I even pray forthose who maybe they haven't
(51:30):
participated in these things,but they have a fear of being
led astray, a fear of being ledastray by leaders or led astray
by different kinds of teachings,or whatever the case may be.
Lord, I pray for those who arefearful of being led astray and
(51:52):
I pray that you calm the fearthat's in their hearts, calm the
fear that's in their mind.
Actually, we uproot that fearin Jesus' name and I pray that
you would replace it with fearfor the Lord, the deep honor for
you, lord, and that you wouldreassure them that you have your
(52:16):
hand upon their life, thatyou're a good, good, good father
, and you can't be anything butgood.
I pray that you would realignthe spirit of the person
listening and bring them into adeeper understanding of your
word and stir a desire in everysingle one of us to read your
(52:41):
word more, and more and more,until we just can't get enough
of it.
I thank you, holy Spirit, forshedding light on these topics,
and I pray, lord, that theunderstanding of these things
(53:01):
would set people free.
Lord, because we know that wecan receive deliverance even
through knowledge.
When we receive knowledge ofyour word and knowledge of your
ways, that alone can set us free, and so I pray that freedom
(53:22):
would come to those listening inany way that they need it, and
I thank you in advance for that.
God, you're such a good father.
Continue to reveal yourself toeach of us, continue to pour out
your spirit on each of us andcontinue to stir a desire to
know you better, to know yourword better.
(53:44):
I thank you, god, that we don'tneed all these extra things,
because we have you, and I justpraise you, lord.
I praise you, god, that wedon't need all these extra
things because we have you, andI just praise you, lord.
I praise you, thank you foryour Holy Spirit, which is our
teacher.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
In Jesus' name, amen, amen, amen, and I will end with
this Is that a feeling to thelistener?
That feeling is conviction.
It is not condemnation.
Come on, that's true.
That feeling is, it'sconviction from the holy spirit.
(54:26):
My conviction is is love good,not condemned?
Just return because he'salready.
He's already here, yeah, youknow so.
Thank you so much, jannie.
This was so good, thank you wegotta do this more yeah, we do.
This was really good, and I havea strange feeling that we've
(54:47):
been doing this for just alittle strange feeling, yeah,
strange feelings that we'd bedoing this for Just a little
strange feeling, yeah, oh man,time flies.
That's a wrap for this episode.
As always, we thank you to thelistener.
We thank you so much for tuningin and we just pray that this
edifies you in some way.
If you want to connect withDani, all that information will
(55:10):
be in the show notes of thisepisode.
If you want to connect with me,go to my Instagram Action Meets
LaShelle.
That's the best way.
That's where I hang out onsocial media.
Or you can just go to thewebsite at newcreationpodcastcom
.
I pray the Lord blesses you andkeeps you until we meet again.
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