April 28, 2021 • 37 mins
The team interviews Bobby Linden, a childhood friend of Ted's and the downstairs neighbor of Paul and Abby. Bobby recounts his and his father's experiences with the strange couple while Kate tells of the strange happenings that continue to plague her apartment.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello listeners.
And welcome back to a night inquestion I am your host, Jeremy
and joining me as always is mywonderful cohost, Kate.
Hello, everyone.
And also back with us yet againis my handsome boyfriend, Ted.
Hey everybody.
I'm very glad to be back.
(00:39):
We can't get rid of you.
Why wouldn't we want to?
No, that's true.
It's actually been really niceto have you on here, uh, with
all of your firsthand knowledge.
Yes.
So my polysyllabic words, shethinks she's smart only on
Tuesdays.
(01:01):
So, uh, Kate, how have you been?
How's your week?
My week's been good.
It's been, it's been raining,um, which listen, listen.
Before, before anyone gets on meabout complaining about the rain
in Washington.
Um, it's, it can be a lot whenyou have just all that cloudy,
all of a sudden, cause we hadsome really nice weather and now
(01:22):
it's back to the rain.
So, um, I will say, and I don'tknow, maybe it's because of the
rain.
I did have something weirdhappen again.
No, I don't know if this is, Imean, I don't know if you can
consider the supernatural ornot, but it was kind of weird.
(01:42):
Is it?
Cause he swiped right.
Something weird.
Always happens when I swipe.
Right.
That's just the name of the gamethese days.
No.
Okay.
So, um, Jeremy you've, you'veseen my kitchen, right?
Yeah.
Uh, and, and my not recentlyright recently, but he helped
(02:05):
me.
He helped me move in.
He helped me set up my kitchen,Ted.
You don't let me out of yoursight for God's sake.
That's true.
I've got good security cameras.
I don't, I don't need to knowthis much about your
relationship.
Better webcam, stop, stop.
Kate shape, toll.
Kate saved tall, running,running through the wall.
(02:27):
Uh, now, um, I have myrefrigerator and uh, it has a
water so that, you know, you putthe cup in the little thing and
it, it lets water out into asaid cup so you can drink the
water into yourself so you canstay hydrated.
It's beautiful.
It's a beautiful thing.
(02:48):
Um, great story.
I know I'm such a storyteller.
Um, it's like spitting water.
Like there's a cup there
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Dripping like actually like show, no,
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Like, like it'll do it spontaneously as though
somebody was filling up a cup ofwater and then stopping.
So it's, I mean, forgive thisanalogy.
It is not unlike it is peeingand then stop.
So, I mean, that's kind ofwhat's happening.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, that sounds painful, right?
It's problem.
Like your cat doing some kind oflike Indiana Jones thing with
your refrigerator, like leapingacross your kitchen and hitting
your water or something
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Acrobatic.
Do you think my cat is I'm smart.
Do you think she is becauseshe's cute, but girl's dumb.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We've had so many, well, you've had so many
incidences in your apartmentthat we, I originally, I thought
it couldn't be the cat, but likethe, this doesn't have to be a
super, super cat to like turn onthe stove, make, make water,
shoot out of your fridgespontaneously.
Like I
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I've watched it happen.
Like, you know, I had seen somewet patches on the floor and I
thought that, I don't know,maybe I spilled water, the cat
knocked her water dish over orsomething, but I've seen it
happen a couple times now.
And it's like, somebody isfilling up a cup of water, but
there's no cup of water there.
And it's really weird.
(04:25):
And I don't know why it wouldjust do that.
I mean, there's probably somekind of, I dunno, it's
malfunctioning or something, butI don't know.
I, I, the, all of this, the, thecentralizing of weird stuff that
seems to be happening in thekitchen, I kind of want to know
what happens in the kitchen.
Then this seems to be a locationwhere all this weird stuff is
(04:49):
happening.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And what do you think that causes?
Could it be okay
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Or there's something wrong with my refrigerator?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm sure.
Yeah.
It's gotta be your refrigerator.
Cause I mean that's yeah.
I mean, that kind of stuffhappens all the time.
I mean, I used to have an icemachine on my refrigerator and
the ice would keep clumpingtogether before it would like
dispense.
And um, sometimes I'd have totake like an ice pick and just
kind of chop it up and um, thenit would sometimes draw a little
(05:21):
water out of it.
So I'm totally sure it's gottabe just your refrigerator, not
working, but then also thestove.
And didn't you say some thingsin your shelves were rearranged?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean, maybe it's, I can't tell how much of it is
something actually happening andhow much of it is that now that
the ideas in my head, I can'tstop thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, when you first moved into the apartment, did
you, did you sense anything,anything weird?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's an old building.
Like, I mean, you know this,when we, when we lived in the
story, we lived in an oldbuilding and they always have
kind of a weird feel, but thatdoesn't mean ghost.
That just means it's an oldbuilding.
An old buildings feel likethings.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah.
But this is a building where amurder took place and it's a
very apartment where a murdertook place.
Not just any old apartment.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I didn't know that at the time.
So I wasn't thinking, Oh, myplace must be haunted.
Uh, now that you keep puttingthe idea in my head.
Sure.
Maybe, but I don't know
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Jeremy, a little bit of a break here.
He's been watching a lot of likemiss Marple stuff on streaming.
And so she's just so good.
He's just seeing Agatha Christieeverywhere.
He looks,
Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is okay.
You need to shut that down, shutit down dead.
Or get your own ghost.
We'll get like, go buy somethinghaunted.
That's how that works.
Right.
Annabel or something.
Isn't that?
Isn't that a thing we're goingto move that.
Oh, you're okay with it.
(06:56):
If it's my apartments.
Yeah.
That's what I'm hearing.
I'll come visit the ghost.
I just don't want to live with aghost.
Will you, will you come visitthe ghost?
I've yet to see this.
Are you going to come visit theghost?
Ted is Jeremy allowed to comevisit the ghost?
Um, in about a year?
Yeah.
So, so I'm just stuck with thesupposed ghost and I have to
(07:18):
deal with it all by myself.
Thank you.
Y'all
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I feel so much better.
I was just going to say, I haveto question the level of
entertainment you are gettingKate.
If all you're doing is sittingin your apartment, looking,
looking at what is happening inyour kitchen.
Good point.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've watched, I think the entirety of Netflix at this
point, and he know you can onlyplay with the cats so much, uh,
that, you know, I will say the,the cat has been staring at the
wall in the bedroom again, likeshe'd stop for a while.
She's back to staring at itagain.
(07:57):
That is unsettling.
Well, cause I keep looking tosee like, there's nothing
reflecting on it.
There's no shadows because she'sdoing it at the lights on the
lights off.
Um, yeah, I don't and she juststares at it.
Like she doesn't try to chaseanything.
She just stares kinda having afit.
(08:24):
I mean, she's a cat like cats dowhat cats do.
But it, I, that might beunsettling me more than
anything.
Cause it's not like her.
Uh she's she's not normally, Imean, if that's not typical
behavior for her, I mean, she's,she's, she's like 14 years old.
She sleeps, she eats and shesleeps and she eats and she
sleeps.
That's what she does.
(08:44):
But now she also stares.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, normally she's so chatty and she's just
so quiet lately.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Are you sure you're talking about the cat or you're
talking about me.
She's never
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Quiet.
So last week we talked aboutconspiracy theories and there
was some bonkers stuff outthere.
Uh, what were, what were yourfavorites guys?
Anything that stuck with you?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I will say I still get a little hung up on the
whole idea that Abby faked itall and had been like hoarding
her blood away.
Um, that that's just a specialbrand of delightful for so many
reasons.
But that, that she would thenlet her kid be raised by
somebody else by herself.
I mean, yeah, her sister, butstill I had that.
(09:35):
There's so many ways that thatwhole thing was ridiculous.
So I, that one kind of stuckwith me.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And then she went to be an actress in LA and no one
knew
Speaker 1 (09:45):
She went to be an actress in Lausanne.
Like, no, no, no.
How you disappear, girl.
That's behind you disappeargirl,
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Ted.
Yeah.
I was going to say that one.
That one was probably myfavorite, but the one that kind
of seems the most plausible tome is the one where, uh, Paul
kind of manipulated thetimeline, right?
Like that seems the mostplausible, but I also kind of
like the idea of, um, of herfaking her death and just like
(10:14):
storing up like gallons andgallons of her own blood at a
secret location.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Where do you store that?
If you have all this blood, justlike you can't just put that in
the freezer,
Speaker 2 (10:25):
She's missing out on a career in like wedding
planning or something.
Cause somebody who cananticipate that kind of thing.
Like that's incredible now.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah.
Way above our pay grade.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Did you have a favorite?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I, that the disappearing was one of my
favorites.
I just thought that was great.
Uh, but the, also the grungekiller.
Oh yeah.
The Grinnell killer wastargeting, targeting different
musicians.
But Paul come on.
He was not that noteworthy tohoard that kind of attention.
Sorry, Paul, Courtney love.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I may have, I may have made that one up.
Did I make that one up?
I think I made that one up.
I think I just wanted that to betrue.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
She was after all of them.
So yeah, last week was crazyconspiracy theories and that,
but now it's time that we try toactually dive into what happens,
what happened in this case ofPaula and Abby stone.
So we're going to actually talkto someone who knew the couple.
Um, and we have a special guestthis week.
(11:35):
His name is Bobby Linden andhe's a childhood friend of
Ted's.
Bobby is on the call with us,Bobby.
I see you're yawning.
Are we, are we boring?
You no, you're not boring me.
None at all.
I'm just
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Night shift.
So no worries.
Um, hi.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Hi, I'm Bobby.
Um, it's nice to, nice to behere.
I'm happy to help with um,whatever this is and it's, it's
really nice to see Ted again.
It's been awhile.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Do you have good dirt on Ted?
It's let it, let it out.
I need to know.
I need to know what was, whatwas he really like as a little
kid?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I walked in on him in the bathroom once and that was
horrifying, but
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Because I was P okay.
I was just, I'm so sorry Jeremy.
See I'm unphased by that.
He leaves the bathroom door opennow.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That's what happened that time too.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Do you have closing doors on me?
No, I was in a hurry.
Okay.
I was there.
Hurry.
I didn't have time for that.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Have to get this soccer practice so fast
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That closing the door.
This is like Kiwi soccer.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You had to wait for someone to drive you anyhow,
like just close the door.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's such a little kid logic though that like, I
have to save every ounce oftime.
What will save me really notime, but I should still do
leave the bathroom door open.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
He learned to like wash his hands.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh, it's very important.
These days, guys, you were akid.
I wash my hands when tired to befair.
I didn't either.
Now Bobby's just making up crap.
I swear to God.
We used to call him
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Dirty hands.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Bobby.
We're keeping you Kim Bobby Khanevery episode.
So thank you for joining us onour episodes.
This is great.
This is better than jam.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No worries.
This now, nowadays I'm Bob dirtyhands because I work with fish
and cutesy.
So yeah, it all comes fullcircle.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Bobby dirty hands, dirty hands.
So Bobby, you, you knew Paul andAbby stone, right?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah.
I mean they lived above me, soit was more hearing them than
actually seeing them.
My dad used to hang out with,um, Abby a lot.
Um, so I knew her more and lessand less, uh, Paul,
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So Kate and I, we never had any, um, experience
with Paula and Abby.
What was your first impressionof them?
How would you characterize thesetwo people individually?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I thought Paul was pretty cool.
Um, just living, livingdownstairs, a musician, um, in
sort of the like heyday day of,of grunge in Seattle.
Like that was, I mean, I didn'tknow it now.
(15:02):
I knew it.
I know it now.
I didn't know it then.
Um, but nowadays like, likethat's a little piece of history
that, you know, I can bring itup at parties And people live
for that.
People live for that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, in true, true crime too.
People love kind of true crime,anything it's it's yeah,
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It was really nice.
I remember she made cookies forus a lot.
Um, she bring them over for meand my dad and they were like,
she made these really good, um,ginger snaps.
Ooh, those sound delicious.
Yeah.
Did you ever have any Ted?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh yeah.
My parents may be sat Dylan afew times and a lot of times
Abby would just treat us with,with their ginger snaps.
They were very good.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, I I'm just curious.
I mean, we keep making all thesejokes about my apartment being
haunted, which it's not, butlike, did you ever, I don't
know.
Did you ever notice anything inyour apartment?
Like, is it possible it's an
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Old building, maybe some of these ghosts predate
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The murder?
Well,
Speaker 3 (16:16):
No.
I mean, we had, there were miceonce in awhile.
Uh, you know, you hear someskittering in the, in the walls
and occasional thumping of thereally bad water pipes.
Like, I don't know if it's thesame landlord.
I've doubt he's fixed the thing.
(16:38):
Um, yeah, just, you know,regular, horrible sounds of the
nights.
Um, but in, in the city you justsorta get used to it.
So, um,
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like I said, my parents babysat Dylan a few
times and I got to see him and,you know, one of the, one of the
real sad things about this isonce he graduated, um, he moved
out or he disappeared and wehaven't, we can't find him.
Um, and so when we've beentalking about a lot of the
different things that possiblycould have led up to Dylan's
(17:17):
sort of disappearance post tothe situation, um, cause you
know, he went to go live withhis, with his aunt, Jennifer,
um, Abby's sister.
And so I'm really curiousbecause we haven't really, I
haven't really talked to youabout this in any real depth,
but was Dylan ever mistreated inany way that you had seen living
(17:39):
in the building with them?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
When you say mistreated, do you mean like,
did they beat him,
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Um, or just them in a way that would kind of ring any
sort of alarm bells?
Like I'm wondering if, if therewere, if there were things that
were happening, um, to him thatmaybe we should have gotten
involved sooner, I came home onenight.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Um, and, and Dylan was out in the hallway by
himself.
On our floor.
On your floor?
Yeah.
So, no, I just he's playing withhis, uh, like a little train.
(18:36):
Um, so, uh, I dunno, I, I helpedhim up.
I mean, it wasn't hurt, but youknow, I, I took his hand and I
walked him upstairs, um, just to, to check and see if like
everything was okay because Imean, we'd have, we'd had
(18:59):
break-ins before.
Um, and I don't know, the kidsget smart.
He could have just been homealone and then walked out and
been fooling around.
But, um, when we got upstairs,the door was ajar.
(19:23):
I walked him in sinking that,you know, Abby was probably on
my, I called out for her and Ididn't hear anything.
So, uh, I just, I went furtherinto the apartments.
Um, just Soren check the placeout, make sure everything was
all right.
And I heard, I heard Abby, shewas, she was mumbling, some
(19:55):
things talking to someone in thebedroom.
So maybe I thought, I thought itwas Paul as Paul and Abby were
having like a fight, but it wasquiet this time because I guess
they just decided to mix it up.
(20:16):
So I went over there because thedoor was open and all wasn't
there, but a B was alone justtalking to herself in that, in
(20:39):
that mirror that my dad and Ihelped install.
I tried to, I tried to like
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Catch your attention.
Like I locked eye contact withher in the mirror, but it w it,
her eyes were kind of glazed andit looked like she didn't see
me.
Maybe she was doingself-affirmations or something.
I don't know.
But, um, so I cleared my throatand I mean, nothing really genes
(21:18):
within her, her posture or her,she didn't look at me.
She just, she seemed, her focusseemed to shift just a little
bit.
And she just said for me to, toleave Dylan and, uh, and go, so
(21:47):
I left and I locked the doorbehind me.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I'm trying to think how to react.
Okay.
Now, um, I just feel like themore we find out, the more,
there's just a lot more going onin that apartment.
I don't know.
Um, and it seems like both Paulaand Abby, something is not right
with either of them.
(22:12):
There's some odd behavior onboth sides, because I think up
to this far, from what we'veheard from Ted Abby was great.
Abby's whatever it waswonderful, but now we're hearing
maybe she was, but something,something was going on with Abby
.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
She just, she acted weird sometimes, especially
around my father, like when theywere, when they were hanging
out, there would just be littlemoments.
Um, not, not again, not sexualmoments, but just like, they
were acting weird as if theywere trying to hide something
(22:47):
from, I don't even think it was,they were trying to hide it from
me, just from the world as iflike there were cameras on them.
But,
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Um, I got a random question.
So, um, after all these years,Bobby, do you think Paul killed
Abbey stone?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Okay.
Fair.
I just, I didn't know.
After all this time, anythingmight've popped up in your head?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Paul Paul after a little while?
Um, I think after maybe like acouple of months, Paul started
getting less friendly with me.
Um, my dad, um, his name isFrank by the way, my dad and
Abby were getting more likecomfortable with each other.
(23:47):
I guess they were hanging outmore and Paul was not around a
lot.
He, he wouldn't be really shortman.
Cause like, I, I'm not gonnalie.
I kind of wanted to be amusician back in that day when I
was that kid, you know?
Um, and I had questions I hadjust like, we, you know, how
(24:11):
does this guitar work?
What's, what's the C minor?
What does this amp do?
Um, and Paul would sort of shutme down and just sorta, he was
kinda, he kind of appearedmenacing after awhile.
(24:34):
Like always in the shadow.
Like when I saw him, for somereason, it was more than often
at night or like the power hadgone out in our apartments.
Um, and he I'd see him likewalking up the stairs.
(24:55):
Um, I think Ted did, did you andI, we used to like call him
shadow man or something likethat.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah.
I think we call it, we calledhim shadow man.
And then we also called himreefer, man.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It always smell like that.
Very powerful feature from theshadow, man.
Yeah.
You could smell him in theshadows.
You wouldn't see him, you justsee his beautiful eyes and smell
like, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It'd be fair.
That's that's kinda just CapitolHill.
And that is also true.
Everything vaguely smells likeweed.
That's something I've noticed.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I sort of drove it to him, butAbby was always, always nice.
You know, she she'd come overand she, uh, she and my dad
would go over sort ofschoolwork.
I, my dad used to be a teacher.
(26:02):
Um, and I think it was, he wastutoring her with her college
work.
Um, I'm not really sure.
I don't know.
They had, they brought overreally big books.
Um, that looked like textbooks.
I don't, I haven't, I didn'tread them.
I don't give a flying rat'sabout that.
(26:23):
Um, I had video games to play,uh, but, but they were very
enraptured in that, in those,uh, those texts or, or books or
whatever.
Is it possible anything
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Had been going on between those two or between
them like during this or was itjust strictly Abby was just
lonely and needed somebody,
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You know, there was a moment where my dad told me that
he was going up to help her movesome furniture.
And I heard some shufflingaround up there that it sounded,
it didn't sound like wood onwood or metal on wood.
(27:15):
But, but I know my dad andthat's not, I don't think they
were having an affair.
Was your dad single at the time?
Yeah.
Your dad's still alive.
He is.
Um, he's in the house nowactually he's taking his dad's
(27:36):
there.
Yeah.
We, I live with, I'd love tohear from him Jack.
Could we, could we talk to him?
Uh, I don't really think that'sa good idea.
Okay.
When, when you guys asked me tocome on, um, I told my dad
initially, um, and he gotreally, he didn't want me to,
(28:02):
um, he got really upset whathappened in that apartment, but
a lot of strain on my father andput him in a position where, uh,
I don't think he'll ever be ableto cope without me here.
I'm really sorry.
That's that's really hard.
(28:22):
Bobby.
Um, how did your father reactwhen the murder initially
occurred?
The day of the murder there,there was some fighting up
upstairs.
Um, yeah.
(28:44):
Hey, what's up at the door.
Does he need me to sign?
I'm talking to some friends.
Mr.
Frank.
Good to see you.
(29:05):
Yeah.
I remember you and your parents.
And, and can you, can you signfor the package?
I just, I can do that.
Okay.
I can do that.
(29:26):
I can do that.
Um, where was I?
Um, heard noises, right.
Okay.
Um, so I think I was sleeping.
(29:49):
I think I was sleeping, but Iwoke up in the middle of the
night, uh, uh, 10 30, 11, maybe.
There was just, there were heavyfootsteps upstairs.
Um, and not like the usualcalamity from, uh, from Paul's
(30:13):
rocking out rehearsals or any oftheir other fights.
It was, they were heavy.
It was, if it didn't seem likeit was them, like they, like,
they felt like they weighed morethan Paul does.
(30:35):
And I mean, I was young, somaybe I'm just imagining things.
But, uh, I know that I was notimagining, uh, the screams that
came from upstairs.
Uh, you could hear all that.
Wow.
I get to hear it through,through the walls and most
(30:55):
prominently through the heatvents in my room.
And then, uh, that, that went onfor a little while.
And then there was a breaking,there was like a shattering
sound like somebody broke a vaseor something.
And then there was nothing,there was silence.
(31:18):
And all I remember is a fewminutes after, um, it was red
and blue with the police carsand like an ambulance.
And my dad told me to stay in myroom and, uh, I did.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Do you know if, uh, if your dad heard the sounds,
you were hearing the screamingand the, the noises.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I mean, he must have, he's not deaf and if I could
hear them, he could, his roomwasn't that much further from, I
guess, under their bedroom, minewas just a little trying to
(32:10):
think of the geography here.
Uh, I think his was almostdirectly under their bedroom and
mine was a little to the side.
So if anything, he could hear iteven better than me.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And he was definitely home and in bed
Speaker 3 (32:27):
That night.
Right.
I mean, he, he tucked me in.
Um, but, uh, that was like a, II've been wondering
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Actually.
Um, and we'll have to see maybeif we can find some of the
police records about it, but if,if anyone, if everything was so
loud, did, did somebody call thepolice?
Did anybody go upstairs tocheck?
I'm even thinking about whereAbby's body.
(33:01):
When is it?
Is it possible that somebodywent upstairs after?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I don't know if my dad called the police, but I
know that he, he went to thepolice like the, the week after.
Cause he, the police spoke tohim when he spoke to me, um, on
that night.
What are you talking about?
Hey, what's up?
(33:26):
How's it going?
You shouldn't talk about that.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
None of you should talk about that night
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That I need you to calm down night.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
The man in the moon stars, the man stole my star.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I need you to calm down.
I need you to not get so upsetwhile I'm on this phone.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I'm sorry guys.
I have to go.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah.
Give it to you, Bobby.
It's fine.
Um, well thank you for takingthis time, Bobby.
We really appreciate it.
Uh, can you, uh, I'm sorry, canyou, can you, um, my dad might
listen to this, so I'm reallyjust don't
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Don't use any of those.
Okay.
Come on dad.
Let's let's get ya.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I haven't seen any, I haven't seen him in like 10
years on this.
Um, this it's really sad to seeFrank like this and um, yeah,
for Bobby, this it's it's lookspretty rough for him right now.
It's just amazing to me.
It seems like even after allthese years, the trauma of that
(35:03):
night really stuck with both ofthem.
You know?
I think you see it in Bobby aswell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really hard to say.
Um, and I feel like after thisconversation with Bobby, I feel
like I have so many morequestions than answers that I
got from this,
Speaker 5 (35:26):
But I mean, we're
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Are we, are we, are we going to use this?
Like that's,
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Uh, I'm not sure if we shed you all I'm I'm just,
um, I'm not, I do believe
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You need to get your locks changed Kate, but, um, I'm
not kidding when I say I'm doingthat.
As soon as we get off this call,um, when would you, would you
just let Bobby know?
We appreciate him taking thetime and then talking to us even
so I will I'll, I'll let himknow.
I'll give him some time to justkind of process the day and, um,
(36:04):
you know, take care of his dad.
And I mean, it's just a roughtime for everybody anyway.
And so I'll give him some timeand then I'll, I'll check in
with him in the next few days.
Okay.
Thank you.
Well, okay.
That was, that was a heavyepisode.
Um, I wanna, I want to thankBobby for being our guest and I
(36:24):
want to thank you listeners outthere for sticking with us
during this difficult chat.
Um, please join us next week.
Uh, we're we'll be diving evenfurther into this ever-changing
case of murder.
Uh, thanks for listening all youguys want to say, bye.
(36:49):
Talk to you next time.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
See you next time on a night in question.
Hello listeners.
And welcome back to a night inquestion I am your host, Jeremy
and joining me as always is mywonderful cohost, Kate.
Hello, everyone.
And also back with us yet againis my handsome boyfriend, Ted.
Hey everybody.
I'm very glad to be back.
(00:39):
We can't get rid of you.
Why wouldn't we want to?
No, that's true.
It's actually been really niceto have you on here, uh, with
all of your firsthand knowledge.
Yes.
So my polysyllabic words, shethinks she's smart only on
Tuesdays.
(01:01):
So, uh, Kate, how have you been?
How's your week?
My week's been good.
It's been, it's been raining,um, which listen, listen.
Before, before anyone gets on meabout complaining about the rain
in Washington.
Um, it's, it can be a lot whenyou have just all that cloudy,
all of a sudden, cause we hadsome really nice weather and now
(01:22):
it's back to the rain.
So, um, I will say, and I don'tknow, maybe it's because of the
rain.
I did have something weirdhappen again.
No, I don't know if this is, Imean, I don't know if you can
consider the supernatural ornot, but it was kind of weird.
(01:42):
Is it?
Cause he swiped right.
Something weird.
Always happens when I swipe.
Right.
That's just the name of the gamethese days.
No.
Okay.
So, um, Jeremy you've, you'veseen my kitchen, right?
Yeah.
Uh, and, and my not recentlyright recently, but he helped
(02:05):
me.
He helped me move in.
He helped me set up my kitchen,Ted.
You don't let me out of yoursight for God's sake.
That's true.
I've got good security cameras.
I don't, I don't need to knowthis much about your
relationship.
Better webcam, stop, stop.
Kate shape, toll.
Kate saved tall, running,running through the wall.
(02:27):
Uh, now, um, I have myrefrigerator and uh, it has a
water so that, you know, you putthe cup in the little thing and
it, it lets water out into asaid cup so you can drink the
water into yourself so you canstay hydrated.
It's beautiful.
It's a beautiful thing.
(02:48):
Um, great story.
I know I'm such a storyteller.
Um, it's like spitting water.
Like there's a cup there
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Dripping like actually like show, no,
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Like, like it'll do it spontaneously as though
somebody was filling up a cup ofwater and then stopping.
So it's, I mean, forgive thisanalogy.
It is not unlike it is peeingand then stop.
So, I mean, that's kind ofwhat's happening.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, that sounds painful, right?
It's problem.
Like your cat doing some kind oflike Indiana Jones thing with
your refrigerator, like leapingacross your kitchen and hitting
your water or something
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Acrobatic.
Do you think my cat is I'm smart.
Do you think she is becauseshe's cute, but girl's dumb.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We've had so many, well, you've had so many
incidences in your apartmentthat we, I originally, I thought
it couldn't be the cat, but likethe, this doesn't have to be a
super, super cat to like turn onthe stove, make, make water,
shoot out of your fridgespontaneously.
Like I
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I've watched it happen.
Like, you know, I had seen somewet patches on the floor and I
thought that, I don't know,maybe I spilled water, the cat
knocked her water dish over orsomething, but I've seen it
happen a couple times now.
And it's like, somebody isfilling up a cup of water, but
there's no cup of water there.
And it's really weird.
(04:25):
And I don't know why it wouldjust do that.
I mean, there's probably somekind of, I dunno, it's
malfunctioning or something, butI don't know.
I, I, the, all of this, the, thecentralizing of weird stuff that
seems to be happening in thekitchen, I kind of want to know
what happens in the kitchen.
Then this seems to be a locationwhere all this weird stuff is
(04:49):
happening.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And what do you think that causes?
Could it be okay
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Or there's something wrong with my refrigerator?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm sure.
Yeah.
It's gotta be your refrigerator.
Cause I mean that's yeah.
I mean, that kind of stuffhappens all the time.
I mean, I used to have an icemachine on my refrigerator and
the ice would keep clumpingtogether before it would like
dispense.
And um, sometimes I'd have totake like an ice pick and just
kind of chop it up and um, thenit would sometimes draw a little
(05:21):
water out of it.
So I'm totally sure it's gottabe just your refrigerator, not
working, but then also thestove.
And didn't you say some thingsin your shelves were rearranged?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean, maybe it's, I can't tell how much of it is
something actually happening andhow much of it is that now that
the ideas in my head, I can'tstop thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, when you first moved into the apartment, did
you, did you sense anything,anything weird?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's an old building.
Like, I mean, you know this,when we, when we lived in the
story, we lived in an oldbuilding and they always have
kind of a weird feel, but thatdoesn't mean ghost.
That just means it's an oldbuilding.
An old buildings feel likethings.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah.
But this is a building where amurder took place and it's a
very apartment where a murdertook place.
Not just any old apartment.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I didn't know that at the time.
So I wasn't thinking, Oh, myplace must be haunted.
Uh, now that you keep puttingthe idea in my head.
Sure.
Maybe, but I don't know
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Jeremy, a little bit of a break here.
He's been watching a lot of likemiss Marple stuff on streaming.
And so she's just so good.
He's just seeing Agatha Christieeverywhere.
He looks,
Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is okay.
You need to shut that down, shutit down dead.
Or get your own ghost.
We'll get like, go buy somethinghaunted.
That's how that works.
Right.
Annabel or something.
Isn't that?
Isn't that a thing we're goingto move that.
Oh, you're okay with it.
(06:56):
If it's my apartments.
Yeah.
That's what I'm hearing.
I'll come visit the ghost.
I just don't want to live with aghost.
Will you, will you come visitthe ghost?
I've yet to see this.
Are you going to come visit theghost?
Ted is Jeremy allowed to comevisit the ghost?
Um, in about a year?
Yeah.
So, so I'm just stuck with thesupposed ghost and I have to
(07:18):
deal with it all by myself.
Thank you.
Y'all
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I feel so much better.
I was just going to say, I haveto question the level of
entertainment you are gettingKate.
If all you're doing is sittingin your apartment, looking,
looking at what is happening inyour kitchen.
Good point.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've watched, I think the entirety of Netflix at this
point, and he know you can onlyplay with the cats so much, uh,
that, you know, I will say the,the cat has been staring at the
wall in the bedroom again, likeshe'd stop for a while.
She's back to staring at itagain.
(07:57):
That is unsettling.
Well, cause I keep looking tosee like, there's nothing
reflecting on it.
There's no shadows because she'sdoing it at the lights on the
lights off.
Um, yeah, I don't and she juststares at it.
Like she doesn't try to chaseanything.
She just stares kinda having afit.
(08:24):
I mean, she's a cat like cats dowhat cats do.
But it, I, that might beunsettling me more than
anything.
Cause it's not like her.
Uh she's she's not normally, Imean, if that's not typical
behavior for her, I mean, she's,she's, she's like 14 years old.
She sleeps, she eats and shesleeps and she eats and she
sleeps.
That's what she does.
(08:44):
But now she also stares.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I mean, normally she's so chatty and she's just
so quiet lately.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Are you sure you're talking about the cat or you're
talking about me.
She's never
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Quiet.
So last week we talked aboutconspiracy theories and there
was some bonkers stuff outthere.
Uh, what were, what were yourfavorites guys?
Anything that stuck with you?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I will say I still get a little hung up on the
whole idea that Abby faked itall and had been like hoarding
her blood away.
Um, that that's just a specialbrand of delightful for so many
reasons.
But that, that she would thenlet her kid be raised by
somebody else by herself.
I mean, yeah, her sister, butstill I had that.
(09:35):
There's so many ways that thatwhole thing was ridiculous.
So I, that one kind of stuckwith me.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
And then she went to be an actress in LA and no one
knew
Speaker 1 (09:45):
She went to be an actress in Lausanne.
Like, no, no, no.
How you disappear, girl.
That's behind you disappeargirl,
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Ted.
Yeah.
I was going to say that one.
That one was probably myfavorite, but the one that kind
of seems the most plausible tome is the one where, uh, Paul
kind of manipulated thetimeline, right?
Like that seems the mostplausible, but I also kind of
like the idea of, um, of herfaking her death and just like
(10:14):
storing up like gallons andgallons of her own blood at a
secret location.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Where do you store that?
If you have all this blood, justlike you can't just put that in
the freezer,
Speaker 2 (10:25):
She's missing out on a career in like wedding
planning or something.
Cause somebody who cananticipate that kind of thing.
Like that's incredible now.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah.
Way above our pay grade.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Did you have a favorite?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I, that the disappearing was one of my
favorites.
I just thought that was great.
Uh, but the, also the grungekiller.
Oh yeah.
The Grinnell killer wastargeting, targeting different
musicians.
But Paul come on.
He was not that noteworthy tohoard that kind of attention.
Sorry, Paul, Courtney love.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I may have, I may have made that one up.
Did I make that one up?
I think I made that one up.
I think I just wanted that to betrue.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
She was after all of them.
So yeah, last week was crazyconspiracy theories and that,
but now it's time that we try toactually dive into what happens,
what happened in this case ofPaula and Abby stone.
So we're going to actually talkto someone who knew the couple.
Um, and we have a special guestthis week.
(11:35):
His name is Bobby Linden andhe's a childhood friend of
Ted's.
Bobby is on the call with us,Bobby.
I see you're yawning.
Are we, are we boring?
You no, you're not boring me.
None at all.
I'm just
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Night shift.
So no worries.
Um, hi.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Hi, I'm Bobby.
Um, it's nice to, nice to behere.
I'm happy to help with um,whatever this is and it's, it's
really nice to see Ted again.
It's been awhile.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Do you have good dirt on Ted?
It's let it, let it out.
I need to know.
I need to know what was, whatwas he really like as a little
kid?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I walked in on him in the bathroom once and that was
horrifying, but
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Because I was P okay.
I was just, I'm so sorry Jeremy.
See I'm unphased by that.
He leaves the bathroom door opennow.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That's what happened that time too.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Do you have closing doors on me?
No, I was in a hurry.
Okay.
I was there.
Hurry.
I didn't have time for that.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Have to get this soccer practice so fast
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That closing the door.
This is like Kiwi soccer.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
You had to wait for someone to drive you anyhow,
like just close the door.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That's such a little kid logic though that like, I
have to save every ounce oftime.
What will save me really notime, but I should still do
leave the bathroom door open.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
He learned to like wash his hands.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh, it's very important.
These days, guys, you were akid.
I wash my hands when tired to befair.
I didn't either.
Now Bobby's just making up crap.
I swear to God.
We used to call him
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Dirty hands.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Bobby.
We're keeping you Kim Bobby Khanevery episode.
So thank you for joining us onour episodes.
This is great.
This is better than jam.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No worries.
This now, nowadays I'm Bob dirtyhands because I work with fish
and cutesy.
So yeah, it all comes fullcircle.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Bobby dirty hands, dirty hands.
So Bobby, you, you knew Paul andAbby stone, right?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah.
I mean they lived above me, soit was more hearing them than
actually seeing them.
My dad used to hang out with,um, Abby a lot.
Um, so I knew her more and lessand less, uh, Paul,
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So Kate and I, we never had any, um, experience
with Paula and Abby.
What was your first impressionof them?
How would you characterize thesetwo people individually?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I thought Paul was pretty cool.
Um, just living, livingdownstairs, a musician, um, in
sort of the like heyday day of,of grunge in Seattle.
Like that was, I mean, I didn'tknow it now.
(15:02):
I knew it.
I know it now.
I didn't know it then.
Um, but nowadays like, likethat's a little piece of history
that, you know, I can bring itup at parties And people live
for that.
People live for that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, in true, true crime too.
People love kind of true crime,anything it's it's yeah,
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It was really nice.
I remember she made cookies forus a lot.
Um, she bring them over for meand my dad and they were like,
she made these really good, um,ginger snaps.
Ooh, those sound delicious.
Yeah.
Did you ever have any Ted?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Oh yeah.
My parents may be sat Dylan afew times and a lot of times
Abby would just treat us with,with their ginger snaps.
They were very good.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, I I'm just curious.
I mean, we keep making all thesejokes about my apartment being
haunted, which it's not, butlike, did you ever, I don't
know.
Did you ever notice anything inyour apartment?
Like, is it possible it's an
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Old building, maybe some of these ghosts predate
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The murder?
Well,
Speaker 3 (16:16):
No.
I mean, we had, there were miceonce in awhile.
Uh, you know, you hear someskittering in the, in the walls
and occasional thumping of thereally bad water pipes.
Like, I don't know if it's thesame landlord.
I've doubt he's fixed the thing.
(16:38):
Um, yeah, just, you know,regular, horrible sounds of the
nights.
Um, but in, in the city you justsorta get used to it.
So, um,
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like I said, my parents babysat Dylan a few
times and I got to see him and,you know, one of the, one of the
real sad things about this isonce he graduated, um, he moved
out or he disappeared and wehaven't, we can't find him.
Um, and so when we've beentalking about a lot of the
different things that possiblycould have led up to Dylan's
(17:17):
sort of disappearance post tothe situation, um, cause you
know, he went to go live withhis, with his aunt, Jennifer,
um, Abby's sister.
And so I'm really curiousbecause we haven't really, I
haven't really talked to youabout this in any real depth,
but was Dylan ever mistreated inany way that you had seen living
(17:39):
in the building with them?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
When you say mistreated, do you mean like,
did they beat him,
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Um, or just them in a way that would kind of ring any
sort of alarm bells?
Like I'm wondering if, if therewere, if there were things that
were happening, um, to him thatmaybe we should have gotten
involved sooner, I came home onenight.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Um, and, and Dylan was out in the hallway by
himself.
On our floor.
On your floor?
Yeah.
So, no, I just he's playing withhis, uh, like a little train.
(18:36):
Um, so, uh, I dunno, I, I helpedhim up.
I mean, it wasn't hurt, but youknow, I, I took his hand and I
walked him upstairs, um, just to, to check and see if like
everything was okay because Imean, we'd have, we'd had
(18:59):
break-ins before.
Um, and I don't know, the kidsget smart.
He could have just been homealone and then walked out and
been fooling around.
But, um, when we got upstairs,the door was ajar.
(19:23):
I walked him in sinking that,you know, Abby was probably on
my, I called out for her and Ididn't hear anything.
So, uh, I just, I went furtherinto the apartments.
Um, just Soren check the placeout, make sure everything was
all right.
And I heard, I heard Abby, shewas, she was mumbling, some
(19:55):
things talking to someone in thebedroom.
So maybe I thought, I thought itwas Paul as Paul and Abby were
having like a fight, but it wasquiet this time because I guess
they just decided to mix it up.
(20:16):
So I went over there because thedoor was open and all wasn't
there, but a B was alone justtalking to herself in that, in
(20:39):
that mirror that my dad and Ihelped install.
I tried to, I tried to like
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Catch your attention.
Like I locked eye contact withher in the mirror, but it w it,
her eyes were kind of glazed andit looked like she didn't see
me.
Maybe she was doingself-affirmations or something.
I don't know.
But, um, so I cleared my throatand I mean, nothing really genes
(21:18):
within her, her posture or her,she didn't look at me.
She just, she seemed, her focusseemed to shift just a little
bit.
And she just said for me to, toleave Dylan and, uh, and go, so
(21:47):
I left and I locked the doorbehind me.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I'm trying to think how to react.
Okay.
Now, um, I just feel like themore we find out, the more,
there's just a lot more going onin that apartment.
I don't know.
Um, and it seems like both Paulaand Abby, something is not right
with either of them.
(22:12):
There's some odd behavior onboth sides, because I think up
to this far, from what we'veheard from Ted Abby was great.
Abby's whatever it waswonderful, but now we're hearing
maybe she was, but something,something was going on with Abby
.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
She just, she acted weird sometimes, especially
around my father, like when theywere, when they were hanging
out, there would just be littlemoments.
Um, not, not again, not sexualmoments, but just like, they
were acting weird as if theywere trying to hide something
(22:47):
from, I don't even think it was,they were trying to hide it from
me, just from the world as iflike there were cameras on them.
But,
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Um, I got a random question.
So, um, after all these years,Bobby, do you think Paul killed
Abbey stone?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Okay.
Fair.
I just, I didn't know.
After all this time, anythingmight've popped up in your head?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Paul Paul after a little while?
Um, I think after maybe like acouple of months, Paul started
getting less friendly with me.
Um, my dad, um, his name isFrank by the way, my dad and
Abby were getting more likecomfortable with each other.
(23:47):
I guess they were hanging outmore and Paul was not around a
lot.
He, he wouldn't be really shortman.
Cause like, I, I'm not gonnalie.
I kind of wanted to be amusician back in that day when I
was that kid, you know?
Um, and I had questions I hadjust like, we, you know, how
(24:11):
does this guitar work?
What's, what's the C minor?
What does this amp do?
Um, and Paul would sort of shutme down and just sorta, he was
kinda, he kind of appearedmenacing after awhile.
(24:34):
Like always in the shadow.
Like when I saw him, for somereason, it was more than often
at night or like the power hadgone out in our apartments.
Um, and he I'd see him likewalking up the stairs.
(24:55):
Um, I think Ted did, did you andI, we used to like call him
shadow man or something likethat.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah.
I think we call it, we calledhim shadow man.
And then we also called himreefer, man.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
It always smell like that.
Very powerful feature from theshadow, man.
Yeah.
You could smell him in theshadows.
You wouldn't see him, you justsee his beautiful eyes and smell
like, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It'd be fair.
That's that's kinda just CapitolHill.
And that is also true.
Everything vaguely smells likeweed.
That's something I've noticed.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I sort of drove it to him, butAbby was always, always nice.
You know, she she'd come overand she, uh, she and my dad
would go over sort ofschoolwork.
I, my dad used to be a teacher.
(26:02):
Um, and I think it was, he wastutoring her with her college
work.
Um, I'm not really sure.
I don't know.
They had, they brought overreally big books.
Um, that looked like textbooks.
I don't, I haven't, I didn'tread them.
I don't give a flying rat'sabout that.
(26:23):
Um, I had video games to play,uh, but, but they were very
enraptured in that, in those,uh, those texts or, or books or
whatever.
Is it possible anything
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Had been going on between those two or between
them like during this or was itjust strictly Abby was just
lonely and needed somebody,
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You know, there was a moment where my dad told me that
he was going up to help her movesome furniture.
And I heard some shufflingaround up there that it sounded,
it didn't sound like wood onwood or metal on wood.
(27:15):
But, but I know my dad andthat's not, I don't think they
were having an affair.
Was your dad single at the time?
Yeah.
Your dad's still alive.
He is.
Um, he's in the house nowactually he's taking his dad's
(27:36):
there.
Yeah.
We, I live with, I'd love tohear from him Jack.
Could we, could we talk to him?
Uh, I don't really think that'sa good idea.
Okay.
When, when you guys asked me tocome on, um, I told my dad
initially, um, and he gotreally, he didn't want me to,
(28:02):
um, he got really upset whathappened in that apartment, but
a lot of strain on my father andput him in a position where, uh,
I don't think he'll ever be ableto cope without me here.
I'm really sorry.
That's that's really hard.
(28:22):
Bobby.
Um, how did your father reactwhen the murder initially
occurred?
The day of the murder there,there was some fighting up
upstairs.
Um, yeah.
(28:44):
Hey, what's up at the door.
Does he need me to sign?
I'm talking to some friends.
Mr.
Frank.
Good to see you.
(29:05):
Yeah.
I remember you and your parents.
And, and can you, can you signfor the package?
I just, I can do that.
Okay.
I can do that.
(29:26):
I can do that.
Um, where was I?
Um, heard noises, right.
Okay.
Um, so I think I was sleeping.
(29:49):
I think I was sleeping, but Iwoke up in the middle of the
night, uh, uh, 10 30, 11, maybe.
There was just, there were heavyfootsteps upstairs.
Um, and not like the usualcalamity from, uh, from Paul's
(30:13):
rocking out rehearsals or any oftheir other fights.
It was, they were heavy.
It was, if it didn't seem likeit was them, like they, like,
they felt like they weighed morethan Paul does.
(30:35):
And I mean, I was young, somaybe I'm just imagining things.
But, uh, I know that I was notimagining, uh, the screams that
came from upstairs.
Uh, you could hear all that.
Wow.
I get to hear it through,through the walls and most
(30:55):
prominently through the heatvents in my room.
And then, uh, that, that went onfor a little while.
And then there was a breaking,there was like a shattering
sound like somebody broke a vaseor something.
And then there was nothing,there was silence.
(31:18):
And all I remember is a fewminutes after, um, it was red
and blue with the police carsand like an ambulance.
And my dad told me to stay in myroom and, uh, I did.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Do you know if, uh, if your dad heard the sounds,
you were hearing the screamingand the, the noises.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I mean, he must have, he's not deaf and if I could
hear them, he could, his roomwasn't that much further from, I
guess, under their bedroom, minewas just a little trying to
(32:10):
think of the geography here.
Uh, I think his was almostdirectly under their bedroom and
mine was a little to the side.
So if anything, he could hear iteven better than me.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And he was definitely home and in bed
Speaker 3 (32:27):
That night.
Right.
I mean, he, he tucked me in.
Um, but, uh, that was like a, II've been wondering
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Actually.
Um, and we'll have to see maybeif we can find some of the
police records about it, but if,if anyone, if everything was so
loud, did, did somebody call thepolice?
Did anybody go upstairs tocheck?
I'm even thinking about whereAbby's body.
(33:01):
When is it?
Is it possible that somebodywent upstairs after?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I don't know if my dad called the police, but I
know that he, he went to thepolice like the, the week after.
Cause he, the police spoke tohim when he spoke to me, um, on
that night.
What are you talking about?
Hey, what's up?
(33:26):
How's it going?
You shouldn't talk about that.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
None of you should talk about that night
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That I need you to calm down night.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
The man in the moon stars, the man stole my star.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I need you to calm down.
I need you to not get so upsetwhile I'm on this phone.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I'm sorry guys.
I have to go.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah.
Give it to you, Bobby.
It's fine.
Um, well thank you for takingthis time, Bobby.
We really appreciate it.
Uh, can you, uh, I'm sorry, canyou, can you, um, my dad might
listen to this, so I'm reallyjust don't
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Don't use any of those.
Okay.
Come on dad.
Let's let's get ya.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I haven't seen any, I haven't seen him in like 10
years on this.
Um, this it's really sad to seeFrank like this and um, yeah,
for Bobby, this it's it's lookspretty rough for him right now.
It's just amazing to me.
It seems like even after allthese years, the trauma of that
(35:03):
night really stuck with both ofthem.
You know?
I think you see it in Bobby aswell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really hard to say.
Um, and I feel like after thisconversation with Bobby, I feel
like I have so many morequestions than answers that I
got from this,
Speaker 5 (35:26):
But I mean, we're
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Are we, are we, are we going to use this?
Like that's,
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Uh, I'm not sure if we shed you all I'm I'm just,
um, I'm not, I do believe
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You need to get your locks changed Kate, but, um, I'm
not kidding when I say I'm doingthat.
As soon as we get off this call,um, when would you, would you
just let Bobby know?
We appreciate him taking thetime and then talking to us even
so I will I'll, I'll let himknow.
I'll give him some time to justkind of process the day and, um,
(36:04):
you know, take care of his dad.
And I mean, it's just a roughtime for everybody anyway.
And so I'll give him some timeand then I'll, I'll check in
with him in the next few days.
Okay.
Thank you.
Well, okay.
That was, that was a heavyepisode.
Um, I wanna, I want to thankBobby for being our guest and I
(36:24):
want to thank you listeners outthere for sticking with us
during this difficult chat.
Um, please join us next week.
Uh, we're we'll be diving evenfurther into this ever-changing
case of murder.
Uh, thanks for listening all youguys want to say, bye.
(36:49):
Talk to you next time.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
See you next time on a night in question.
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