January 27, 2025 • 54 mins
In this episode, we navigate the delicate intersection of faith and politics, questioning how figures like Donald Trump interpret divine will and how such beliefs influence their personal and political identities.
Inspired by Matthew, Chapter 10, and Victor Frankl's profound work, "Man's Search for Meaning," we uncover the transformative potential hidden within life's hardships. These reflections reveal how personal growth often stems from adversity, fostering better leadership and deeper community ties. Our discussion also challenges traditional interpretations of scripture and historical events, weighing whether tragic occurrences should be seen as divine lessons or human misinterpretations.
The conversation critically examines the role of religious figures in political discourse, scrutinizing Bishop Marianne Edgar Budde's controversial remarks. We debate the complexities surrounding faith, ethics, and political alignment, mainly through the lens of Donald Trump's experiences and evolving beliefs.
In conclusion, we consider the provocative analogy of voting based on competence rather than moral character, offering listeners a nuanced view of how faith and politics shape our world.
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Welcome to A Show of Faith,where a professor, priest,
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Our priest's father, MarioArroyo, retired pastor of St
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Wow, that goes back a long, long way, 60 years.
Yeah, I think you'd getarrested these days if you had a
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Different world, it's a verydifferent world.
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Okay, anyway, it's good to seeyou guys.
Thank you, I hope you're doingwell Real quick.
We had a great lecture at theLanier Theological Library.
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We had a fellow from thePhilippines, rico Villanueva,
come to speak as a Hebrew Biblespecialist.
What he does is he Snicker,snicker, snicker.
He is a really wonderful guy.
His middle name is Lamentbecause he has been studying the
laments.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Lamentations.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well lamentations, but also the lament psalms for a
long time, and his talk lastnight was about the tragic loss
of lament in our churches today,that we are unable to find even
the language to help peoplecrawl out to God In any one
given in desperation and inheartache.
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A lot of our songs are happy.
They're upbeat, you know you'reon television.
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It's the shift of the Right.
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But on any given Sunday, about a third of the
people are really having a roughtime.
Some are having the worst yearof their lives, right, some are
having kind of a moderately badtime.
Others are having yeah, it'snot so bad, but gosh, life is
not good and we have not reallybeen able to do that.
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So he was addressing that and Ithink it was one of the most
helpful things that we've donein a long time.
So Rico's going back to thePhilippines tomorrow.
Wish him well as he heads backhome.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Mucho bueno, as they say in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do they Right?
Do they?
The Spanish-speaking people inAfghanistan say that, do they?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
really.
Maybe they do, yeah, Not manyof them, I don't imagine.
All right, so our topic or ourshow.
Director is Father Mario.
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I am your sufficiency or your adequacy, Father Mario.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I am your mediocrity, mediocrity, yeah, thank you,
your mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Okay, today I thought it would be a very good idea
Tomorrow.
Do you realize that tomorrow isthe one-week anniversary of the
inauguration of Donald Trump?
One week.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
One week.
One week, lots happened in aweek.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It feels like a lot has happened in one week, and so
we do not.
This is not a podcast where wediscuss politics Generally
Generally not but we do discussreligion when it has to do with
politics or with moral ethicalissues Moral ethical.
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Yeah, that's right.
So what I thought tonight Iwould like to do is to deal with
two or three topics having todo with Trump and religion.
The first topic I would like totalk about is Donald Trump's
statement, when he said in hisinaugural speech that he
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believed that God had saved hislife so that he could live to
make America great again.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now that was his mission.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
That was his mission and he was very sure that God
saved his life for that purpose.
Now, the first couple of thingsthat I'd like to discuss is
this First of all, how accurateare we Not only Donald Trump, we
not all, just not only donaldtrump um, and I, I have, I have
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to confess not confess, butproclaim that I am a supporter
of donald trump.
I like him very much, and sothe question is is how is his
interpretation of the fact thathe was not killed by that?
He is interpreting the divinemind in terms of God's active
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participation in that.
The question is, was that God'sactive participation?
Because remember, at least inCatholic theology, when we talk
about God's will, we have twomain distinctions in what we
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mean by God's will.
One is what is called theactive definition of God's will.
I want this to happen.
I'm arranging.
It's a miracle, I'm arrangingor something.
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God makes it directly , makes it active, god's hand
inanging.
It's a miracle.
I'm arranging or something.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
God makes it directly active, god's hand in history.
That's right, but the seconddefinition is permissive, the
permissive will of God.
I don't want this to happen,but I am permitting it to happen
for a divine mind, reason forwhich we do not have clarity If
it's a negative, we assume thatit is.
And also a positive.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A positive or a negative?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So it could be a positive outcome In his case.
His life is spared and it'sstill passing, and God is
permitting.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Permitting his life to be spared In other words, so
it's God, but not an act ofparticipation.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's right, because God allows things to happen.
But I always, when I talk toChristians, I always say this,
because this is a Christianexample.
Jesus said, father, I'd likethis cup to pass from me, but
not my will be done, but yours.
The next day he gets crucified.
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So if he got crucified, was itGod's will that he be crucified?
And it always sends people intoa kind of a tizzy, because they
say, well, yes, and I said so.
God is not going to forgive usunless somebody suffers and
sheds blood.
What kind of God does that showus?
And of course, isn't that thedefinition of Christianity?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, it is not Jesus had to suffer on the cross, no
it is not.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, it is not, it is.
It was the permissive will ofgod.
God, basically, if I may speakwithout getting struck in light
by lightning or by his cane orby his it's over there.
I can't reach it now is that ifI, god, the father, would be
saying to him I don't want thisto happen either, but we have to
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let it happen.
We have to let it happenbecause we cannot allow the
power of evil to believe that itis by threatening or by
committing atrocities andendangering and causing
tremendous suffering that he haswon.
I cannot pull you away fromthat.
And so he lets it happen sothat he may display something
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greater.
But it was not his active will.
So the question is was it God'sactive, which is what Trump
seems to be interpreting, and Iwant you to think about this.
That is what is in about thisin terms of.
That is what is in theology.
In Catholic theology is calleddivine providence.
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Now, is it divine providencethat the things that happen in
our own lives did God save yourlife?
I constantly hear this for somehigher purpose?
Was it a specific activepurpose that God saved you to do
something?
Or my son, my little baby son,died.
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I have a friend whose wife justgot killed by a hit and run
accident.
And so the question is was thatGod's will?
And lots of people say, well,you know, god called her home
because he had a greater purposefor that.
And if you people say, well,you know, god called her home
because he had a greater purposefor that.
And if you say that to somepeople, you say, if that's the
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kind of God that we have, Idon't want any part of it.
It goes ahead and kills alittle boy or my wife or
something, just so that he cando something.
He can do it some other way.
And so the question is whenlife situations strike, does it
reflect either God's will orGod's punishment?
Because that's the otherinterpretation that God gives
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that people give God ishappening.
This is happening to me becauseof God's punishment, which is
the issue of Job, Because Job isconstantly dealing with that.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But that's not the answer.
In Job.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, it is not.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But that's a thing that people often say.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay, so Is that what in Job they say what?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
They say what they say.
Well, you brought this onyourself.
Well, the quote-unquote.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
friends say that Right, right, right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The friends say that that's a very normal
interpretation that you're sickbecause, you don't have enough
faith to do well.
Blame the victim.
Right, you blame the personwho's hurting.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
In that sense, I'm just using Trump's
interpretation as a takeoffpoint.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, well, you know there are people that believe,
and based upon some NewTestament things about guardian
angels, that believe, and basedupon some New Testament things
about guardian angels, that Godhimself superintends the world.
But a part of thesuperintending is to have angels
, messengers, help protectpeople in various situations.
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And you know, when you'relooking at a gunshot from what
is 150 yards away, somethinglike that all sorts of things
can happen when the angle of hisface changed and that alone
saved his life.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
If he had looked the other way, taken a half a step
back, any number ofpossibilities Right.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Or just a little bit of wind here or there.
Right, right Also true, I meana little bit of that or a tremor
in the finger.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I mean all that can make a big difference.
So if you had to make a commenton Trump's interpretation, he
saved me, so that I can makeAmerica great again.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I would say no to that.
I don't think God saved him.
To make America great again.
I think that that would be asub-purpose, perhaps.
But God's purpose, ultimately,is that God's kingdom come,
god's reign, god's will is doneon earth as it is in heaven, and
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that's not necessarily apolitical statement.
That is a statement right outof the scriptures.
It's a religious statement, apolitical statement.
That is a statement right outof the scriptures.
It's a religious statement, atheological statement.
And if, along the way, americais made great again as a
byproduct of that, that's great.
But I think that's the ultimate, god's ultimate purpose.
That's what Jesus was all about, right, praying for and
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bringing in the kingdom, god'sreign, active reign in the world
.
Stuart.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know how weird I am and I have a weird way to
look at these things.
I don't mind if Trump wants toview it that way if it leads him
to make America great again.
In other words, if he wants tointerpret his own personal
events in his life to be an actof God, he is free to do that,
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but I only think that that isimportant or validated, or
whatever, by his behaviorafterwards.
In other words, if a personsays I was saved from this
automobile accident because Godis going to use me for a higher
purpose, then let God use youfor a higher purpose.
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Then don't wallow in your joyof having been saved and then
sit on your tush and do nothingabout it, in your joy of having
been saved and then sit on yourtush and do nothing about it.
You know, personally I have noproblem with him believing that.
Do I believe it was?
I don't presume to talk for GodMe too, Okay.
And if God wanted to save himfor that, I'm happy for it,
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because I want America to begreat again and I hope that
happens, Okay.
But I hear so often peoplesaying things like this God save
me, higher power, whatever.
And then about a week later,they forget that's right and
they don't act on it, and that,I think, belies God's activities
.
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Rudy, I want your opinion when we come back on the
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Okay, rudy, what's your two cents worth?
Okay, so this passage inMatthew, chapter 10, came to
mind Are not two sparrows sowedfor a penny and not one of them
will fall to the ground withoutyour father's will, but even the
hairs of your head are allnumbered.
Now I understand, I would agreewith both what David was saying
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and what Stuart was saying.
Okay, I get that point, butfrom a sort of first cause,
right, the creator of allcreation.
Nothing happens without himallowing it.
That's right.
I mean, we can sit here andtalk about permits of will.
And now, fundamentally, I likeway david put it right, is is it
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his role right now to makeamerica great again?
I mean, I think, but sure, right, but fundamentally, it's more
about being being a disciple ofgod.
That's, that's, that's what'simportant, yeah, and if he took
that action right, and if hetook that event to become a
better politician, to become abetter father, to become a
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better husband, to become abetter community leader, then I
think that's exactly the type ofthing that is meant to come out
of these events right from someharrowing event, or even
suffering, right, like you weretalking about earlier, father
Mark, this individual that losta loved one in a car crash.
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Right, there's a way that youcan interpret things where you
can find a higher meaning andpurpose, whether we understand
it or not.
But I mean, I kind of go backto what Victor Frankl was saying
right In Man's Search forMeaning.
And when we stop findingmeaning through suffering, right
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, we're not.
When we can't sort of change asituation, we're sort of
challenged to change ourselves.
And I think that's what'simportant, right Is, how do we
change ourselves to be better?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And if he thinks that Go ahead, keep on going, no, no
go.
Speaker 11 (20:28):
Well, I was just going to say.
If he thinks that this eventcan lead him to become A better
human being, right, and to helppeople, then I think that maybe
is God's will Right, or what heallowed.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Let me ask all three of you, and just let me and part
of it is playing what's calleddevil's advocate, meaning just a
contrary point of view, andI'll just ask it from the
perspective of, especially since, rudy, you and I are not
experts on the scriptures, we'reCatholic.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know more than you let on Come on.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
No, we're Catholic and we're experts on Jesus.
Speaker 11 (21:10):
You know what, paul Mark, I will say this.
I'm not, I don't remember.
I don't remember a lot of theactual passages by, but I do
know a ton of the stories.
Well, that's the same thing forton of the stories.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I can recall the stories and look them up ok,
here's the question, and forgiveme if I'm wrong quoting it.
I'm going to forgive you aheadof time a preemptive pardon, yes
, is there not a part in thescriptures where, in the Hebrew
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scriptures, where God uses,talks about his servant Cyrus?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Isaiah 45.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And uses.
He says that he will use him.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He calls him the Messiah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, that he will use him to teach Israel a lesson
to teach Israel a lesson Notreally Not to teach Israel, but
to liberate ultimately liberateIsrael from exile.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And remember also the Babylonians were used by God in
the way you're talking, so thequestion is is the scripture
there, is the prophetinterpreting the occurrences of
history is?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
is the scripture there, is the prophet
interpreting the occurrences ofhistory as the active will of
God, as opposed to thepermissive?
Is he actively saying God usesthis because he wanted to use
this to destroy?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Jerusalem, and if it leads the Jewish people to see
themselves as special chosen byGod, if it leads them to repent
of whatever brought that on themaccording to the prophet, why
not?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, if it actually moves them to act, see but the
question is while that'shappening, imagine you're being
destroyed by the Babylonians andeverything you love and cared
for has been destroyed.
Are you going to be able tointerpret it and say God is
doing this?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
because it comes later.
I believe that's a laterinterpretation.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
So interp.
So would that be a falseinterpretation at that moment?
No, because I'm asking thequestion?
Because because what if?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Wait.
Whose interpretation is false?
At which moment?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, imagine you were living at that time where
Babylon?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Where it's happening to you.
That's right, and the prophetcomes to me and says, god is
doing this because of this.
I don't see that.
That would be false.
That would be just aslegitimate an interpretation as
anything else.
Okay, so the question would bethe purpose is to punish the
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people for their sin, and it's away to get.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
So should I be able to interpret the evil occurrence
of someone say someone's wife'sdying, that it is a punishment
for their sins?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And my answer is, of course you can.
Should you, are you able to?
Absolutely, should you?
No, can you?
Of course, everybody is free tointerpret.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay, the question is as a minister of the gospel or?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
minister of the yeah, yeah, no, I would disagree.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's more complex than that.
It's more nuanced than that.
I think far more.
It is very human, and now wehave to go to break.
But it's very human to makemeaning out of tragic events or
out of missed tragedy.
We all do it.
It is something that isinevitable.
Do it, it is something that isinevitable.
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Psychological studies are fullof demonstrations of that.
When something happens, we tryto make it mean something within
our lives.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So would we be saying that the scriptures are full of
that?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I would say that they are, because it's very human
and very often our meaning thatwe make is accurate.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Quick, we've got to go to the break.
But I don't know if you sawthis it was in the Jewish press,
of course that one week therewas a synagogue where everything
around it burned to the ground.
Nothing left and the synagoguewas barely touched.
And then the next week, becausethe fires were raging that long
, there was a synagogue that gotburned to the ground.
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So take an interpretation.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
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There's no turning back.
(28:18):
Even while we sleep, we willfind you acting on your best
(28:39):
behavior.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Welcome back to a show of faith.
On AM 1070.
Answer Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I guess the topic really is Trump as a man of
faith right His own religiousexperience.
I think he had a very profoundspiritual experience when he
survived that shooting.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well, I don't know.
Not only profound religiousexperience in surviving, but I
think the fact that God gave himthe strength to survive, not
only that one, but the secondone, and also all the lawfare,
all the things that have beendone to try and take him down
and for him not to lose heartand to continue.
(29:18):
He has to believe and I supporthim in this because, in my
opinion, as it is right now, asit is right now, as it is right
now and it was during the timeof Biden, the Democratic Party
as the platform is as close toan evil thing as I can muster,
(29:43):
because it is subverting allunderstanding of human sexuality
and human nature.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It is undermining democracy, it's undermining the
Bill of Rights.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It's undermining the whole idea of life, of when it
begins and when it ends.
They wouldn't even vote for.
If a child is born alive andsurvives abortion, the Democrats
vote that he should be killed.
I mean, you go on and on and onand you know somebody.
A friend of mine said well, Ican't vote for such an immoral
(30:15):
man.
And I go whoa man, he mighthave been immoral in the past
and he might have a foul mouth,but you talk about the
Democratic Party and Joe Bidenand what they ever see.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
They, they agree with that.
Therefore, it's not sinful.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
They agree with it, so it's not wrong or bad well,
no, I know these people areanti-abortion and
anti-everything, but they justfound that the character of
donald trump was soobjectionable that they couldn't
have that kind of a personrepresenting them now now, the
day after, uh, the inauguration,the president and the new vice
(30:50):
president went to.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Is it National Cathedral?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
National Cathedral, which is actually run by the
Episcopal Church, and therethere was the bishop of the
Episcopal Diocese of Washingtonand the bishop of the Episcopal
Diocese of Washington.
And the Bishop of the EpiscopalDiocese of Washington is Bishop
Marianne Edgar, and I don'tknow how to pronounce this
B-U-D-D-E, boud or Boudie, I donot know Bud could be Bud.
(31:16):
I don't know Bud or Boudie, Idon't know, but anyway, Bishop
Marianne, the Bishop of theEpiscopal Diocese, she's the
first woman to hold thatposition.
She was given a great honor, achance to unify and to pray for
our country and to give aChristian message at the dawn of
(31:36):
the new administration.
Now the article that I sent toyou says she disgraced herself
with a lecture you'd hear on CNNor an episode of the View.
What an embarrassment.
Turning Point, USA co -founderCharlie Kirk said that.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, who's on our station during the week?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And that's what they do.
They go up to people who haveno say-so in a matter and scream
and yell at them about someissue that they have no control
over.
No vote in, no influence.
They, they.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
This is what the left side does yeah, but the
question really is was shesaying the appropriate, or was
she saying something wrong, orwas it inappropriate?
Was it what?
What's your sense, david?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, well, let's hear it in her words first.
I think Stuart has the exactwords.
Can you do it in her accent?
No, okay, I didn't think soOkay.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So these are Mary and Edgar Buddy's words.
In the name of our God, I askyou to have mercy upon the
people in our country who arescared.
Now.
There are gay, lesbian andtransgender children in Democrat
, republican and independentfamilies, some who fear for
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their lives, and the people whopick our crops, clean our office
buildings, labor in poultryfarms and meatpacking plants,
who wash the dishes after we eatat restaurants and work the
night shifts at hospitals.
They may not be citizens orhave the proper documentation,
but the vast majority ofimmigrants are not criminals,
she continued.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, I think the timing.
I mean she had a message.
She wanted to share thatmessage.
She deeply believes this.
I don't think it was the righttime or the right place for her
to lobby the president in such away and to use religion as a
lobbying point.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Don't they call it the bully pulpit?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, the presidency is the bully pulpit, isn't it?
I mean, that's what Iunderstand.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's taking the opportunity to preach to a
specific individual because theycan't object or disagree or
argue.
They have to sit there andlisten to you.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I mean you can always walk out, I suppose, but
the president wasn't going to dothat and Vance was not going to
do that.
I was disappointed.
I don't think it was the rightthing to do.
I think there would have beenmuch better use of her time.
He already knows this and I'mnot really sure that I don't
(34:27):
know how many people are reallyin fear of their lives.
I'm not sure what that meansexactly, uh, for them.
I mean, they're not happy withthe outcome.
But there were people who werenot happy with the outcome of
joe biden's presidency and thethings that were going on there.
Yes, and there were people whoactually did die as a result of
(34:48):
some of the illegal folks comingin.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
She never said to Joe Biden no, there are babies who
are going to be killed.
You know, we ask you to havemercy on them.
You know all kinds of stuff.
Rudy what's your sense of this?
Speaker 11 (35:06):
I think she sort of the kind of current culmination
of the repercussions of theEnlightenment movement, Right, I
mean it's just an immediate andtotal focus on a very
disordered interpretation ofreality.
And I think it has to do with wewere talking about Isaiah
(35:27):
earlier and it's something thatwe as humans, in this sort of
anthropocentric approach to ourdaily lives, right, so we're
just sort of human-focused, wehave this kind of we really have
this limited perception ofcreation, of space and time, and
(35:47):
in particular in Isaiah, Ithink what the author is calling
for is sort of the challengethe reader, this kind of
stereotypical interpretationright, where you just kind of
grumble at God and you kind ofjust complain, but the real
thing is we have to kind of turnand focus on the eternal.
(36:08):
I mean, they were promised fromthe beginning, were promised a
land of milk and honey, right, Ithink it's Exodus 16.
But then again it's sort of thesame behavior, right, and what
we find ourselves now is just us, and I think the rabbi
(36:32):
mentioned earlier it's just wekind of you know this happens
and then, oh, thank God, andthen a week later we forget, and
so as a humanity it's like wehave a really short memory,
right, and it's why we keep kindof going back and going back
and I think we miss the pointthat there is an eternal life,
(36:52):
right, and there is somethingthat comes after this and the
actions and how we spend ourtime.
Are we bringing our communitytogether or are we further
dividing it?
And I think I'm going to stickwith David's pronunciation.
I like the buddy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Could be, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (37:14):
I think buddy could have done a lot better.
Like the author said, she couldhave used it as a moment right
To kind of just mend things, tobring things together, to be a
symbol of unity, but insteadthey just Stuart, I don't care
if everything she said wasperfectly in agreement with the
(37:36):
Republican Party.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't care if what she was going to say would be in
line with Trump's issues orwhatever.
In line with, with, with, withuh, trump's issues or whatever.
It's the number one questionyou ask when you write a sermon,
when you give a speech.
Anything is is it appropriate?
And it's not.
(37:58):
No, it's not appropriate, youknow it.
If she wants to talk in genericterms about people who are
afraid and the government can bethere to help or whatever,
that's one thing.
But when she narrows it down toher personal issue, does she
really think that Trump is goingto change his mind about what
he's going to do or theattitudes he holds because she
gave a speech in front of him,even if he agreed with what she
(38:22):
was going to say?
You have to ask the question isit appropriate?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Well, okay, my two cents worth.
My two cents worth.
Are that what she said in andof itself is not wrong?
Okay, it's not wrong, but it isinappropriate, right?
But earlier I told you that itwas only a half-truth, right?
But I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
What do you mean?
It was only a half-truth.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
What she said is only a half-truth, Right but I'm not
sure.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
What do you mean?
It was only a half-truth.
What she said is only ahalf-truth, and what I mean by
that is that she forgot thatwhat she was trying to point to
was what's called sentimentalcompassion and not effective
compassion, because she did nottake into account to make the
(39:08):
statement that every country hasa right to have secure borders
and that you don't just sneakacross, and that you have a
right to deport people who arecoming into your country without
permission.
And so, granted, they may havehad, they may have had issues
(39:28):
and and desperation enough towant to break the law, because
the borders are not the highestpriority in terms of if a person
is starving, you don't have aright, you know, to keep them
from food, and so, but she didnot give a balance, uh, in that
sermon.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
That's what I mean.
Her own issues.
Her own issues.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
She made the gays and the transgender, all the poor
little victims, and then sheforgot about the rest of the
issues, about borders and aboutauthority, because she had her
own personal agenda.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
She had her own agenda, that's right.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
She's a very high democratic operative.
Okay, this is 1070 KMTH andwe'll be right back.
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The Answer oh yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
This might have been a better sermon.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Let's all be happy.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Don't worry, be happy .
And yeah, there's a time andplace to push people and cajole
people.
Yes, that just wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Welcome back to A Show of Faith.
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That's the best part of it.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well, waiting, and waiting, and waiting, I know, I
know.
Okay, as this part of it.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Well, waiting, and waiting, and waiting, I know, I
know.
Okay, father Mario.
Yes, go ahead, rudy.
Speaker 11 (42:58):
Sorry, can I just say this is something that
really gets me and I think Ijust need to say it and a lot of
people, and including thisbishop, don't understand the
amount of child sex traffickingand drugs that goes on with an
unsecure border.
So this isn't about and I'msorry because I see this and I
(43:20):
live this and I'm and I Goodpoint, good point the amount of
abuse that children are facingwith an unsecure border is
infinitely more criminal thananything, and I'm not saying or
comparing evils, but the amountof children that are trafficked
(43:40):
illegally and pass through thatborder is absolutely criminal.
And the fact that we don't dosomething more stringent to stop
this.
Okay, this isn't about keepingpeople out, okay, my own wife
I'm trying to get a visa for herand the process is long and
arduous and it takes time, butthere's a reason for it.
(44:01):
Okay.
But people just don't understandthe evil atrocities that are
happening in this border.
They just think it's a bunch ofyou know, I don't even know.
Okay, and I'm not saying it'sall bad people.
Of course they're not.
Well, it's not the amount ofcriminal activity that goes on.
The only way to properly stopthat is to have a secure border.
(44:23):
That's it.
There's no other way.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, it's true that what she said, she said not
every person that comes intothis country illegally is a
criminal who is intent on doingharm to other people, that's
absolutely true.
But there are enough of themthat we should have a concern,
(44:46):
and we should be concerned forthe traffic itself, the flow of
people, what can happen topeople in those long caravans
and such so anyway, moving on,Father Mario, what's your sense?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
We have ten minutes left.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
What's your sense?
You know I was.
Let me just introduce it fromthis perspective.
I have a very good friend ofmine who I asked him we were
talking about the election.
I hadn't seen him for a whileand I said, well, what did you
think of the election of Trump?
(45:21):
And he said I could never votefor a man like that.
I think the man like that isnot the kind of man that we want
representing us on the worldstage.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
His morals are yeah, well, I could agree with that in
certain circumstances.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Here's my response to him.
I responded let me ask you aquestion if you had to have
brain surgery and your hospital,your insurance would only cover
two doctors, two surgeons.
One surgeon is perfect he'swonderful, he is the kindest,
goes to church all the time, heis the most wonderful, kind man
(46:03):
that you could ever meet.
But he got his degree onlinefrom a medical school, uh, in
theamas, and he got it online.
And then you have anotherdoctor that's your second doctor
who is disgusting, who has hadaffairs, multiple affairs, and
(46:26):
whose office is not very niceand his office is not very clean
.
But he graduated summa cumlaude from Harvard Medical
School in neurosurgery.
Who would you pick to do yourbrain surgery?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
And, of course, the answer is I like your analogy
because I've never liked Trump,but I would Democrats and what
they wanted to do and everythingthat I find wrong with the
country they support.
They support, they're votingfor.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's right, and so my point is I would rather have
the immoral dirty, you know guywho's competent than have the
nice church going guy whodoesn't know exactly what he's
doing digging into my brain?
And that's exactly I mean you.
We see it right now.
You see it right now that thecountry is starting to return to
(47:20):
a moral sense.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Let's see what happens in four years.
Yeah, he's already a lame duckand they can always revert and
do their little sneaky tricksand everything else that is
correct.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
So that's my, my sense is why I voted for Trump.
Because and you said itperfectly everything that the
Democratic Party stood forcritical race theory.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
You know, setting one group against another Women
beating out by swimming sports.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Women and males in women's locker rooms, the
pro-abortion.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Mario, I was told that the NCAA has like a half a
million students in it and maybe10 are transgender.
So what?
So what If they're taking theside?
It's the policy, right, it'sthe policy.
And what it does to women'ssports, that's right.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
And not only that, the promotion of the gay
lifestyle as a normal part.
I can see the tolerance, we canhave tolerance, but we don't
have to promote that, the denialof human nature that you can be
whatever you want to be.
All you have to do is identifyas anything you want.
I want to be a girl today.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I want to be a boy tomorrow.
All you have to do is identifyas anything you want.
I want to be a girl today.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I want to be a boy tomorrow.
The attack on what I would callnormative American values of
capitalism, of justice, offairness of law.
Not only that, the approachfrom the Biden administration
seeking the law, the JusticeDepartment on churches, the
Justice Department on churchesthat are because they said, any
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Making soldiers out of the FBI,the IRS, putting in which, by
the way goes, back to ObamaPutting people in jail for
standing in front of an abortionclinic, praying without saying,
without doing anything likethat.
And I could go on and on.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
The things that the democrats stood for were
directly in conflict with what Istand for as a christian, see,
I don't forget things like obamaadministration when he was in
the white house telling peopleapplying for 501c3 charitable
institution status and the irsbecause they may not agree with
(49:34):
the President's administration'svalues so they wouldn't be
granted it.
Jewish organizations had to betested to Obama's politics,
david.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
We're talking about now.
The second question was aboutTrump's religion, right?
Yes, you know he grew upPresbyterian, yeah, and I think
he probably came from a familythat had some religious
background.
I mean, he was.
It was interesting.
I remember people in the firstadministration they would hear
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him talk about the Bible and hewould say things like one
Timothy and two Timothy.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
What was wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
People who only knew one way of thinking about these
said well, he doesn't know hisfirst Timothy, he doesn't know
his second Timothy.
Well, if you go on the otherside of the pond where
Presbyterians are from, if yougo across the Atlantic and you
go to England and you go toScotland, they do say one
Timothy, 2 Timothy.
They don't say 1st, 2nd, 3rdTimothy or 1st and 2nd Timothy.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Look at any Bible in the table of contents.
It doesn't say 1st, it says 1.
It says 1.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
So that's very.
I mean, what we were doing isvery petty, it was unnerving.
Quite frankly, I don't think hehas had a real strong religious
education, strong religioustraining.
He could do with some goodfriends who would say to him hey
(51:05):
, listen, let's really dig intothis Bible together.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, I'd like to get a hold of him too, you know
that would be really interesting.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's interesting because the quote in the article
this is Trump being quoted.
He says I think if I dosomething wrong then I consider
it and I just try and make itright.
I don't bring God into thatpicture.
People are so shocked when theyfind out that I'm a Protestant,
I'm a Presbyterian and I go tochurch.
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I love God and I love my church.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
That's a quote.
This is the testimony he'smaking, a testimony I don't
think you'd.
You may not agree with hispolitics, you may not agree with
all of his morals and ethicsand, who knows, he may have, in
a moral, ethical sense, beevolving, be transitioning
himself to being a more moral.
(51:55):
We're not.
It is God's work in our lifethat is most important.
You know, we are to beconfident that God is at work in
our life, making us better,year by year, decade by decade.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Rudy, what's your sense?
Speaker 11 (52:15):
I.
It's interesting because whatyou're saying earlier, father
Mario, I I find that but not soreligious sort of quasi
Presbyterian, tends to alignmore with, at least from my
Catholic perspective, to what Ithink is and I think many versed
(52:37):
Catholics in what the Catechismteaches would agree is that
this individual and of courseit's not perfect, right, there's
certain things like capitalpunishment that of course we
wouldn't agree with.
But when we look overall, right, the lesser of two evils, let's
call it one clearly stands outand at the end of the day,
(53:00):
Trump's religion, whether heLook, we don't know what goes on
in this man's head or in theprivate life of him and his
family.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
But I do think he tries to do what is right.
Speaker 11 (53:14):
He tries At least he thinks he does, like the rabbi
will say In the major issues ofthe day yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I think that he is like most Christians out there,
most Jews out there, probablymost Muslims in the United
States.
They're not PhDs in religion,they're not majors in biblical
studies.
They believe they're part of afaith, they're part of a
religion, but they don't screamit from the skies, and I think
(53:41):
he's like that.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
And they're doing the best they can and they do the
best they can.
That's my sense of Trump.
I see him as a man, a typicalguy, like you said, not
excessively religious, butbelieves in God, believes in
Jesus as a Christian, and he'strying to do the best he can and
he's running a public situationthat is very hard Public
(54:05):
companies, yeah, and now aspresident, now, he identifies
now as more of anon-denominational.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Christian, that's correct.
I think that's virtue signaling.
I think he knows his audienceand he makes a statement.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Okay, yeah, a lot, a lot of luck.
Yeah, I know we've got to go.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Well, it's been a real who's the director now Rudy
the Rootster.
Rootster, you're the director,I will take it from Brazil Okay.
From From Brazil.
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No way, no way.
I need some time off from thatemotion Time to pick my heart up
off the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh well, never come down with an emotion.
Well, it takes a storm andmaybe a butter.
Don't wait for more, cause Igotta have faith.
I gotta have faith, cause Igotta have faith, I gotta have
faith.
Welcome to A Show of Faith,where a professor, priest,
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Our priest's father, MarioArroyo, retired pastor of St
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Always happy to be here.
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We remember that, yes, when youleast expect it, you're elected
.
It's your lucky day.
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Wow, that goes back a long, long way, 60 years.
Yeah, I think you'd getarrested these days if you had a
candid camera.
Yes, you would.
Different world, it's a verydifferent world.
Yeah, there would be a lot oflack of permission at that point
.
Okay, anyway, it's good to seeyou guys.
Thank you, I hope you're doingwell Real quick.
We had a great lecture at theLanier Theological Library.
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We had a fellow from thePhilippines, rico Villanueva,
come to speak as a Hebrew Biblespecialist.
What he does is he Snicker,snicker, snicker.
He is a really wonderful guy.
His middle name is Lamentbecause he has been studying the
laments.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Lamentations.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well lamentations, but also the lament psalms for a
long time, and his talk lastnight was about the tragic loss
of lament in our churches today,that we are unable to find even
the language to help peoplecrawl out to God In any one
given in desperation and inheartache.
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A lot of our songs are happy.
They're upbeat, you know you'reon television.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's the shift of the Right.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But on any given Sunday, about a third of the
people are really having a roughtime.
Some are having the worst yearof their lives, right, some are
having kind of a moderately badtime.
Others are having yeah, it'snot so bad, but gosh, life is
not good and we have not reallybeen able to do that.
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So he was addressing that and Ithink it was one of the most
helpful things that we've donein a long time.
So Rico's going back to thePhilippines tomorrow.
Wish him well as he heads backhome.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Mucho bueno, as they say in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do they Right?
Do they?
The Spanish-speaking people inAfghanistan say that, do they?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
really.
Maybe they do, yeah, Not manyof them, I don't imagine.
All right, so our topic or ourshow.
Director is Father Mario.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I am your sufficiency or your adequacy, Father Mario.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I am your mediocrity, mediocrity, yeah, thank you,
your mediocrity.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Okay, today I thought it would be a very good idea
Tomorrow.
Do you realize that tomorrow isthe one-week anniversary of the
inauguration of Donald Trump?
One week.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
One week.
One week, lots happened in aweek.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
It feels like a lot has happened in one week, and so
we do not.
This is not a podcast where wediscuss politics Generally
Generally not but we do discussreligion when it has to do with
politics or with moral ethicalissues Moral ethical.
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Yeah, that's right.
So what I thought tonight Iwould like to do is to deal with
two or three topics having todo with Trump and religion.
The first topic I would like totalk about is Donald Trump's
statement, when he said in hisinaugural speech that he
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believed that God had saved hislife so that he could live to
make America great again.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now that was his mission.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
That was his mission and he was very sure that God
saved his life for that purpose.
Now, the first couple of thingsthat I'd like to discuss is
this First of all, how accurateare we Not only Donald Trump, we
not all, just not only donaldtrump um, and I, I have, I have
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to confess not confess, butproclaim that I am a supporter
of donald trump.
I like him very much, and sothe question is is how is his
interpretation of the fact thathe was not killed by that?
He is interpreting the divinemind in terms of God's active
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participation in that.
The question is, was that God'sactive participation?
Because remember, at least inCatholic theology, when we talk
about God's will, we have twomain distinctions in what we
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mean by God's will.
One is what is called theactive definition of God's will.
I want this to happen.
I'm arranging.
It's a miracle, I'm arrangingor something.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
God makes it directly , makes it active, god's hand
inanging.
It's a miracle.
I'm arranging or something.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
God makes it directly active, god's hand in history.
That's right, but the seconddefinition is permissive, the
permissive will of God.
I don't want this to happen,but I am permitting it to happen
for a divine mind, reason forwhich we do not have clarity If
it's a negative, we assume thatit is.
And also a positive.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A positive or a negative?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So it could be a positive outcome In his case.
His life is spared and it'sstill passing, and God is
permitting.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Permitting his life to be spared In other words, so
it's God, but not an act ofparticipation.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's right, because God allows things to happen.
But I always, when I talk toChristians, I always say this,
because this is a Christianexample.
Jesus said, father, I'd likethis cup to pass from me, but
not my will be done, but yours.
The next day he gets crucified.
(08:24):
So if he got crucified, was itGod's will that he be crucified?
And it always sends people intoa kind of a tizzy, because they
say, well, yes, and I said so.
God is not going to forgive usunless somebody suffers and
sheds blood.
What kind of God does that showus?
And of course, isn't that thedefinition of Christianity?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, it is not Jesus had to suffer on the cross, no
it is not.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, it is not, it is.
It was the permissive will ofgod.
God, basically, if I may speakwithout getting struck in light
by lightning or by his cane orby his it's over there.
I can't reach it now is that ifI, god, the father, would be
saying to him I don't want thisto happen either, but we have to
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let it happen.
We have to let it happenbecause we cannot allow the
power of evil to believe that itis by threatening or by
committing atrocities andendangering and causing
tremendous suffering that he haswon.
I cannot pull you away fromthat.
And so he lets it happen sothat he may display something
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greater.
But it was not his active will.
So the question is was it God'sactive, which is what Trump
seems to be interpreting, and Iwant you to think about this.
That is what is in about thisin terms of.
That is what is in theology.
In Catholic theology is calleddivine providence.
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Now, is it divine providencethat the things that happen in
our own lives did God save yourlife?
I constantly hear this for somehigher purpose?
Was it a specific activepurpose that God saved you to do
something?
Or my son, my little baby son,died.
(10:10):
I have a friend whose wife justgot killed by a hit and run
accident.
And so the question is was thatGod's will?
And lots of people say, well,you know, god called her home
because he had a greater purposefor that.
And if you people say, well,you know, god called her home
because he had a greater purposefor that.
And if you say that to somepeople, you say, if that's the
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kind of God that we have, Idon't want any part of it.
It goes ahead and kills alittle boy or my wife or
something, just so that he cando something.
He can do it some other way.
And so the question is whenlife situations strike, does it
reflect either God's will orGod's punishment?
Because that's the otherinterpretation that God gives
(10:54):
that people give God ishappening.
This is happening to me becauseof God's punishment, which is
the issue of Job, Because Job isconstantly dealing with that.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But that's not the answer.
In Job.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, it is not.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But that's a thing that people often say.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay, so Is that what in Job they say what?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
They say what they say.
Well, you brought this onyourself.
Well, the quote-unquote.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
friends say that Right, right, right.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The friends say that that's a very normal
interpretation that you're sickbecause, you don't have enough
faith to do well.
Blame the victim.
Right, you blame the personwho's hurting.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
In that sense, I'm just using Trump's
interpretation as a takeoffpoint.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, well, you know there are people that believe,
and based upon some NewTestament things about guardian
angels, that believe, and basedupon some New Testament things
about guardian angels, that Godhimself superintends the world.
But a part of thesuperintending is to have angels
, messengers, help protectpeople in various situations.
(12:01):
And you know, when you'relooking at a gunshot from what
is 150 yards away, somethinglike that all sorts of things
can happen when the angle of hisface changed and that alone
saved his life.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
If he had looked the other way, taken a half a step
back, any number ofpossibilities Right.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Or just a little bit of wind here or there.
Right, right Also true, I meana little bit of that or a tremor
in the finger.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I mean all that can make a big difference.
So if you had to make a commenton Trump's interpretation, he
saved me, so that I can makeAmerica great again.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I would say no to that.
I don't think God saved him.
To make America great again.
I think that that would be asub-purpose, perhaps.
But God's purpose, ultimately,is that God's kingdom come,
god's reign, god's will is doneon earth as it is in heaven, and
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that's not necessarily apolitical statement.
That is a statement right outof the scriptures.
It's a religious statement, apolitical statement.
That is a statement right outof the scriptures.
It's a religious statement, atheological statement.
And if, along the way, americais made great again as a
byproduct of that, that's great.
But I think that's the ultimate, god's ultimate purpose.
That's what Jesus was all about, right, praying for and
(13:21):
bringing in the kingdom, god'sreign, active reign in the world
.
Stuart.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know how weird I am and I have a weird way to
look at these things.
I don't mind if Trump wants toview it that way if it leads him
to make America great again.
In other words, if he wants tointerpret his own personal
events in his life to be an actof God, he is free to do that,
(13:55):
but I only think that that isimportant or validated, or
whatever, by his behaviorafterwards.
In other words, if a personsays I was saved from this
automobile accident because Godis going to use me for a higher
purpose, then let God use youfor a higher purpose.
(14:15):
Then don't wallow in your joyof having been saved and then
sit on your tush and do nothingabout it, in your joy of having
been saved and then sit on yourtush and do nothing about it.
You know, personally I have noproblem with him believing that.
Do I believe it was?
I don't presume to talk for GodMe too, Okay.
And if God wanted to save himfor that, I'm happy for it,
(14:42):
because I want America to begreat again and I hope that
happens, Okay.
But I hear so often peoplesaying things like this God save
me, higher power, whatever.
And then about a week later,they forget that's right and
they don't act on it, and that,I think, belies God's activities
.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Rudy, I want your opinion when we come back on the
other side of the break.
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Welcome back to A Show of Faith on AM 1070 Answer.
Speaker 11 (18:16):
Okay, rudy, what's your two cents worth?
Okay, so this passage inMatthew, chapter 10, came to
mind Are not two sparrows sowedfor a penny and not one of them
will fall to the ground withoutyour father's will, but even the
hairs of your head are allnumbered.
Now I understand, I would agreewith both what David was saying
(18:41):
and what Stuart was saying.
Okay, I get that point, butfrom a sort of first cause,
right, the creator of allcreation.
Nothing happens without himallowing it.
That's right.
I mean, we can sit here andtalk about permits of will.
And now, fundamentally, I likeway david put it right, is is it
(19:05):
his role right now to makeamerica great again?
I mean, I think, but sure, right, but fundamentally, it's more
about being being a disciple ofgod.
That's, that's, that's what'simportant, yeah, and if he took
that action right, and if hetook that event to become a
better politician, to become abetter father, to become a
(19:29):
better husband, to become abetter community leader, then I
think that's exactly the type ofthing that is meant to come out
of these events right from someharrowing event, or even
suffering, right, like you weretalking about earlier, father
Mark, this individual that losta loved one in a car crash.
(19:49):
Right, there's a way that youcan interpret things where you
can find a higher meaning andpurpose, whether we understand
it or not.
But I mean, I kind of go backto what Victor Frankl was saying
right In Man's Search forMeaning.
And when we stop findingmeaning through suffering, right
(20:10):
, we're not.
When we can't sort of change asituation, we're sort of
challenged to change ourselves.
And I think that's what'simportant, right Is, how do we
change ourselves to be better?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And if he thinks that Go ahead, keep on going, no, no
go.
Speaker 11 (20:28):
Well, I was just going to say.
If he thinks that this eventcan lead him to become A better
human being, right, and to helppeople, then I think that maybe
is God's will Right, or what heallowed.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Let me ask all three of you, and just let me and part
of it is playing what's calleddevil's advocate, meaning just a
contrary point of view, andI'll just ask it from the
perspective of, especially since, rudy, you and I are not
experts on the scriptures, we'reCatholic.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know more than you let on Come on.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
No, we're Catholic and we're experts on Jesus.
Speaker 11 (21:10):
You know what, paul Mark, I will say this.
I'm not, I don't remember.
I don't remember a lot of theactual passages by, but I do
know a ton of the stories.
Well, that's the same thing forton of the stories.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I can recall the stories and look them up ok,
here's the question, and forgiveme if I'm wrong quoting it.
I'm going to forgive you aheadof time a preemptive pardon, yes
, is there not a part in thescriptures where, in the Hebrew
(21:43):
scriptures, where God uses,talks about his servant Cyrus?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Isaiah 45.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And uses.
He says that he will use him.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He calls him the Messiah.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, that he will use him to teach Israel a lesson
to teach Israel a lesson Notreally Not to teach Israel, but
to liberate ultimately liberateIsrael from exile.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And remember also the Babylonians were used by God in
the way you're talking, so thequestion is is the scripture
there, is the prophetinterpreting the occurrences of
history is?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
is the scripture there, is the prophet
interpreting the occurrences ofhistory as the active will of
God, as opposed to thepermissive?
Is he actively saying God usesthis because he wanted to use
this to destroy?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Jerusalem, and if it leads the Jewish people to see
themselves as special chosen byGod, if it leads them to repent
of whatever brought that on themaccording to the prophet, why
not?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, if it actually moves them to act, see but the
question is while that'shappening, imagine you're being
destroyed by the Babylonians andeverything you love and cared
for has been destroyed.
Are you going to be able tointerpret it and say God is
doing this?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
because it comes later.
I believe that's a laterinterpretation.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
So interp.
So would that be a falseinterpretation at that moment?
No, because I'm asking thequestion?
Because because what if?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Wait.
Whose interpretation is false?
At which moment?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, imagine you were living at that time where
Babylon?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Where it's happening to you.
That's right, and the prophetcomes to me and says, god is
doing this because of this.
I don't see that.
That would be false.
That would be just aslegitimate an interpretation as
anything else.
Okay, so the question would bethe purpose is to punish the
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people for their sin, and it's away to get.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
So should I be able to interpret the evil occurrence
of someone say someone's wife'sdying, that it is a punishment
for their sins?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And my answer is, of course you can.
Should you, are you able to?
Absolutely, should you?
No, can you?
Of course, everybody is free tointerpret.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay, the question is as a minister of the gospel or?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
minister of the yeah, yeah, no, I would disagree.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's more complex than that.
It's more nuanced than that.
I think far more.
It is very human, and now wehave to go to break.
But it's very human to makemeaning out of tragic events or
out of missed tragedy.
We all do it.
It is something that isinevitable.
Do it, it is something that isinevitable.
(24:47):
Psychological studies are fullof demonstrations of that.
When something happens, we tryto make it mean something within
our lives.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So would we be saying that the scriptures are full of
that?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I would say that they are, because it's very human
and very often our meaning thatwe make is accurate.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Quick, we've got to go to the break.
But I don't know if you sawthis it was in the Jewish press,
of course that one week therewas a synagogue where everything
around it burned to the ground.
Nothing left and the synagoguewas barely touched.
And then the next week, becausethe fires were raging that long
, there was a synagogue that gotburned to the ground.
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So take an interpretation.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
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Speaker 1 (28:44):
I guess the topic really is Trump as a man of
faith right His own religiousexperience.
I think he had a very profoundspiritual experience when he
survived that shooting.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well, I don't know.
Not only profound religiousexperience in surviving, but I
think the fact that God gave himthe strength to survive, not
only that one, but the secondone, and also all the lawfare,
all the things that have beendone to try and take him down
and for him not to lose heartand to continue.
(29:18):
He has to believe and I supporthim in this because, in my
opinion, as it is right now, asit is right now, as it is right
now and it was during the timeof Biden, the Democratic Party
as the platform is as close toan evil thing as I can muster,
(29:43):
because it is subverting allunderstanding of human sexuality
and human nature.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
It is undermining democracy, it's undermining the
Bill of Rights.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
It's undermining the whole idea of life, of when it
begins and when it ends.
They wouldn't even vote for.
If a child is born alive andsurvives abortion, the Democrats
vote that he should be killed.
I mean, you go on and on and onand you know somebody.
A friend of mine said well, Ican't vote for such an immoral
(30:15):
man.
And I go whoa man, he mighthave been immoral in the past
and he might have a foul mouth,but you talk about the
Democratic Party and Joe Bidenand what they ever see.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
They, they agree with that.
Therefore, it's not sinful.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
They agree with it, so it's not wrong or bad well,
no, I know these people areanti-abortion and
anti-everything, but they justfound that the character of
donald trump was soobjectionable that they couldn't
have that kind of a personrepresenting them now now, the
day after, uh, the inauguration,the president and the new vice
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Speaker 1 (30:52):
Is it National Cathedral?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
National Cathedral, which is actually run by the
Episcopal Church, and therethere was the bishop of the
Episcopal Diocese of Washingtonand the bishop of the Episcopal
Diocese of Washington.
And the Bishop of the EpiscopalDiocese of Washington is Bishop
Marianne Edgar, and I don'tknow how to pronounce this
B-U-D-D-E, boud or Boudie, I donot know Bud could be Bud.
(31:16):
I don't know Bud or Boudie, Idon't know, but anyway, Bishop
Marianne, the Bishop of theEpiscopal Diocese, she's the
first woman to hold thatposition.
She was given a great honor, achance to unify and to pray for
our country and to give aChristian message at the dawn of
(31:36):
the new administration.
Now the article that I sent toyou says she disgraced herself
with a lecture you'd hear on CNNor an episode of the View.
What an embarrassment.
Turning Point, USA co -founderCharlie Kirk said that.
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Yeah, who's on our station during the week?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
And that's what they do.
They go up to people who haveno say-so in a matter and scream
and yell at them about someissue that they have no control
over.
No vote in, no influence.
They, they.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
This is what the left side does yeah, but the
question really is was shesaying the appropriate, or was
she saying something wrong, orwas it inappropriate?
Was it what?
What's your sense, david?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, well, let's hear it in her words first.
I think Stuart has the exactwords.
Can you do it in her accent?
No, okay, I didn't think soOkay.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So these are Mary and Edgar Buddy's words.
In the name of our God, I askyou to have mercy upon the
people in our country who arescared.
Now.
There are gay, lesbian andtransgender children in Democrat
, republican and independentfamilies, some who fear for
(33:00):
their lives, and the people whopick our crops, clean our office
buildings, labor in poultryfarms and meatpacking plants,
who wash the dishes after we eatat restaurants and work the
night shifts at hospitals.
They may not be citizens orhave the proper documentation,
but the vast majority ofimmigrants are not criminals,
she continued.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, I think the timing.
I mean she had a message.
She wanted to share thatmessage.
She deeply believes this.
I don't think it was the righttime or the right place for her
to lobby the president in such away and to use religion as a
lobbying point.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Don't they call it the bully pulpit?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, the presidency is the bully pulpit, isn't it?
I mean, that's what Iunderstand.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's taking the opportunity to preach to a
specific individual because theycan't object or disagree or
argue.
They have to sit there andlisten to you.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I mean you can always walk out, I suppose, but
the president wasn't going to dothat and Vance was not going to
do that.
I was disappointed.
I don't think it was the rightthing to do.
I think there would have beenmuch better use of her time.
He already knows this and I'mnot really sure that I don't
(34:27):
know how many people are reallyin fear of their lives.
I'm not sure what that meansexactly, uh, for them.
I mean, they're not happy withthe outcome.
But there were people who werenot happy with the outcome of
joe biden's presidency and thethings that were going on there.
Yes, and there were people whoactually did die as a result of
(34:48):
some of the illegal folks comingin.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
She never said to Joe Biden no, there are babies who
are going to be killed.
You know, we ask you to havemercy on them.
You know all kinds of stuff.
Rudy what's your sense of this?
Speaker 11 (35:06):
I think she sort of the kind of current culmination
of the repercussions of theEnlightenment movement, Right, I
mean it's just an immediate andtotal focus on a very
disordered interpretation ofreality.
And I think it has to do with wewere talking about Isaiah
(35:27):
earlier and it's something thatwe as humans, in this sort of
anthropocentric approach to ourdaily lives, right, so we're
just sort of human-focused, wehave this kind of we really have
this limited perception ofcreation, of space and time, and
(35:47):
in particular in Isaiah, Ithink what the author is calling
for is sort of the challengethe reader, this kind of
stereotypical interpretationright, where you just kind of
grumble at God and you kind ofjust complain, but the real
thing is we have to kind of turnand focus on the eternal.
(36:08):
I mean, they were promised fromthe beginning, were promised a
land of milk and honey, right, Ithink it's Exodus 16.
But then again it's sort of thesame behavior, right, and what
we find ourselves now is just us, and I think the rabbi
(36:32):
mentioned earlier it's just wekind of you know this happens
and then, oh, thank God, andthen a week later we forget, and
so as a humanity it's like wehave a really short memory,
right, and it's why we keep kindof going back and going back
and I think we miss the pointthat there is an eternal life,
(36:52):
right, and there is somethingthat comes after this and the
actions and how we spend ourtime.
Are we bringing our communitytogether or are we further
dividing it?
And I think I'm going to stickwith David's pronunciation.
I like the buddy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Could be, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (37:14):
I think buddy could have done a lot better.
Like the author said, she couldhave used it as a moment right
To kind of just mend things, tobring things together, to be a
symbol of unity, but insteadthey just Stuart, I don't care
if everything she said wasperfectly in agreement with the
(37:36):
Republican Party.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't care if what she was going to say would be in
line with Trump's issues orwhatever.
In line with, with, with, withuh, trump's issues or whatever.
It's the number one questionyou ask when you write a sermon,
when you give a speech.
Anything is is it appropriate?
And it's not.
(37:58):
No, it's not appropriate, youknow it.
If she wants to talk in genericterms about people who are
afraid and the government can bethere to help or whatever,
that's one thing.
But when she narrows it down toher personal issue, does she
really think that Trump is goingto change his mind about what
he's going to do or theattitudes he holds because she
gave a speech in front of him,even if he agreed with what she
(38:22):
was going to say?
You have to ask the question isit appropriate?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Well, okay, my two cents worth.
My two cents worth.
Are that what she said in andof itself is not wrong?
Okay, it's not wrong, but it isinappropriate, right?
But earlier I told you that itwas only a half-truth, right?
But I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
What do you mean?
It was only a half-truth.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
What she said is only a half-truth, Right but I'm not
sure.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
What do you mean?
It was only a half-truth.
What she said is only ahalf-truth, and what I mean by
that is that she forgot thatwhat she was trying to point to
was what's called sentimentalcompassion and not effective
compassion, because she did nottake into account to make the
(39:08):
statement that every country hasa right to have secure borders
and that you don't just sneakacross, and that you have a
right to deport people who arecoming into your country without
permission.
And so, granted, they may havehad, they may have had issues
(39:28):
and and desperation enough towant to break the law, because
the borders are not the highestpriority in terms of if a person
is starving, you don't have aright, you know, to keep them
from food, and so, but she didnot give a balance, uh, in that
sermon.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
That's what I mean.
Her own issues.
Her own issues.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
She made the gays and the transgender, all the poor
little victims, and then sheforgot about the rest of the
issues, about borders and aboutauthority, because she had her
own personal agenda.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
She had her own agenda, that's right.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
She's a very high democratic operative.
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The Answer oh yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
This might have been a better sermon.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Let's all be happy.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Don't worry, be happy .
And yeah, there's a time andplace to push people and cajole
people.
Yes, that just wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
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That's the best part of it.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well, waiting, and waiting, and waiting, I know, I
know.
Okay, as this part of it.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Well, waiting, and waiting, and waiting, I know, I
know.
Okay, father Mario.
Yes, go ahead, rudy.
Speaker 11 (42:58):
Sorry, can I just say this is something that
really gets me and I think Ijust need to say it and a lot of
people, and including thisbishop, don't understand the
amount of child sex traffickingand drugs that goes on with an
unsecure border.
So this isn't about and I'msorry because I see this and I
(43:20):
live this and I'm and I Goodpoint, good point the amount of
abuse that children are facingwith an unsecure border is
infinitely more criminal thananything, and I'm not saying or
comparing evils, but the amountof children that are trafficked
(43:40):
illegally and pass through thatborder is absolutely criminal.
And the fact that we don't dosomething more stringent to stop
this.
Okay, this isn't about keepingpeople out, okay, my own wife
I'm trying to get a visa for herand the process is long and
arduous and it takes time, butthere's a reason for it.
(44:01):
Okay.
But people just don't understandthe evil atrocities that are
happening in this border.
They just think it's a bunch ofyou know, I don't even know.
Okay, and I'm not saying it'sall bad people.
Of course they're not.
Well, it's not the amount ofcriminal activity that goes on.
The only way to properly stopthat is to have a secure border.
(44:23):
That's it.
There's no other way.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, it's true that what she said, she said not
every person that comes intothis country illegally is a
criminal who is intent on doingharm to other people, that's
absolutely true.
But there are enough of themthat we should have a concern,
(44:46):
and we should be concerned forthe traffic itself, the flow of
people, what can happen topeople in those long caravans
and such so anyway, moving on,Father Mario, what's your sense?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
We have ten minutes left.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
What's your sense?
You know I was.
Let me just introduce it fromthis perspective.
I have a very good friend ofmine who I asked him we were
talking about the election.
I hadn't seen him for a whileand I said, well, what did you
think of the election of Trump?
(45:21):
And he said I could never votefor a man like that.
I think the man like that isnot the kind of man that we want
representing us on the worldstage.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
His morals are yeah, well, I could agree with that in
certain circumstances.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Here's my response to him.
I responded let me ask you aquestion if you had to have
brain surgery and your hospital,your insurance would only cover
two doctors, two surgeons.
One surgeon is perfect he'swonderful, he is the kindest,
goes to church all the time, heis the most wonderful, kind man
(46:03):
that you could ever meet.
But he got his degree onlinefrom a medical school, uh, in
theamas, and he got it online.
And then you have anotherdoctor that's your second doctor
who is disgusting, who has hadaffairs, multiple affairs, and
(46:26):
whose office is not very niceand his office is not very clean
.
But he graduated summa cumlaude from Harvard Medical
School in neurosurgery.
Who would you pick to do yourbrain surgery?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
And, of course, the answer is I like your analogy
because I've never liked Trump,but I would Democrats and what
they wanted to do and everythingthat I find wrong with the
country they support.
They support, they're votingfor.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
That's right, and so my point is I would rather have
the immoral dirty, you know guywho's competent than have the
nice church going guy whodoesn't know exactly what he's
doing digging into my brain?
And that's exactly I mean you.
We see it right now.
You see it right now that thecountry is starting to return to
(47:20):
a moral sense.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Let's see what happens in four years.
Yeah, he's already a lame duckand they can always revert and
do their little sneaky tricksand everything else that is
correct.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
So that's my, my sense is why I voted for Trump.
Because and you said itperfectly everything that the
Democratic Party stood forcritical race theory.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
You know, setting one group against another Women
beating out by swimming sports.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Women and males in women's locker rooms, the
pro-abortion.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Mario, I was told that the NCAA has like a half a
million students in it and maybe10 are transgender.
So what?
So what If they're taking theside?
It's the policy, right, it'sthe policy.
And what it does to women'ssports, that's right.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
And not only that, the promotion of the gay
lifestyle as a normal part.
I can see the tolerance, we canhave tolerance, but we don't
have to promote that, the denialof human nature that you can be
whatever you want to be.
All you have to do is identifyas anything you want.
I want to be a girl today.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I want to be a boy tomorrow.
All you have to do is identifyas anything you want.
I want to be a girl today.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I want to be a boy tomorrow.
The attack on what I would callnormative American values of
capitalism, of justice, offairness of law.
Not only that, the approachfrom the Biden administration
seeking the law, the JusticeDepartment on churches, the
Justice Department on churchesthat are because they said, any
(48:56):
Making soldiers out of the FBI,the IRS, putting in which, by
the way goes, back to ObamaPutting people in jail for
standing in front of an abortionclinic, praying without saying,
without doing anything likethat.
And I could go on and on.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
The things that the democrats stood for were
directly in conflict with what Istand for as a christian, see,
I don't forget things like obamaadministration when he was in
the white house telling peopleapplying for 501c3 charitable
institution status and the irsbecause they may not agree with
(49:34):
the President's administration'svalues so they wouldn't be
granted it.
Jewish organizations had to betested to Obama's politics,
david.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
We're talking about now.
The second question was aboutTrump's religion, right?
Yes, you know he grew upPresbyterian, yeah, and I think
he probably came from a familythat had some religious
background.
I mean, he was.
It was interesting.
I remember people in the firstadministration they would hear
(50:06):
him talk about the Bible and hewould say things like one
Timothy and two Timothy.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
What was wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
People who only knew one way of thinking about these
said well, he doesn't know hisfirst Timothy, he doesn't know
his second Timothy.
Well, if you go on the otherside of the pond where
Presbyterians are from, if yougo across the Atlantic and you
go to England and you go toScotland, they do say one
Timothy, 2 Timothy.
They don't say 1st, 2nd, 3rdTimothy or 1st and 2nd Timothy.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Look at any Bible in the table of contents.
It doesn't say 1st, it says 1.
It says 1.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
So that's very.
I mean, what we were doing isvery petty, it was unnerving.
Quite frankly, I don't think hehas had a real strong religious
education, strong religioustraining.
He could do with some goodfriends who would say to him hey
(51:05):
, listen, let's really dig intothis Bible together.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, I'd like to get a hold of him too, you know
that would be really interesting.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's interesting because the quote in the article
this is Trump being quoted.
He says I think if I dosomething wrong then I consider
it and I just try and make itright.
I don't bring God into thatpicture.
People are so shocked when theyfind out that I'm a Protestant,
I'm a Presbyterian and I go tochurch.
(51:32):
I love God and I love my church.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
That's a quote.
This is the testimony he'smaking, a testimony I don't
think you'd.
You may not agree with hispolitics, you may not agree with
all of his morals and ethicsand, who knows, he may have, in
a moral, ethical sense, beevolving, be transitioning
himself to being a more moral.
(51:55):
We're not.
It is God's work in our lifethat is most important.
You know, we are to beconfident that God is at work in
our life, making us better,year by year, decade by decade.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Rudy, what's your sense?
Speaker 11 (52:15):
I.
It's interesting because whatyou're saying earlier, father
Mario, I I find that but not soreligious sort of quasi
Presbyterian, tends to alignmore with, at least from my
Catholic perspective, to what Ithink is and I think many versed
(52:37):
Catholics in what the Catechismteaches would agree is that
this individual and of courseit's not perfect, right, there's
certain things like capitalpunishment that of course we
wouldn't agree with.
But when we look overall, right, the lesser of two evils, let's
call it one clearly stands outand at the end of the day,
(53:00):
Trump's religion, whether heLook, we don't know what goes on
in this man's head or in theprivate life of him and his
family.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
But I do think he tries to do what is right.
Speaker 11 (53:14):
He tries At least he thinks he does, like the rabbi
will say In the major issues ofthe day yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I think that he is like most Christians out there,
most Jews out there, probablymost Muslims in the United
States.
They're not PhDs in religion,they're not majors in biblical
studies.
They believe they're part of afaith, they're part of a
religion, but they don't screamit from the skies, and I think
(53:41):
he's like that.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
And they're doing the best they can and they do the
best they can.
That's my sense of Trump.
I see him as a man, a typicalguy, like you said, not
excessively religious, butbelieves in God, believes in
Jesus as a Christian, and he'strying to do the best he can and
he's running a public situationthat is very hard Public
(54:05):
companies, yeah, and now aspresident, now, he identifies
now as more of anon-denominational.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Christian, that's correct.
I think that's virtue signaling.
I think he knows his audienceand he makes a statement.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Okay, yeah, a lot, a lot of luck.
Yeah, I know we've got to go.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Well, it's been a real who's the director now Rudy
the Rootster.
Rootster, you're the director,I will take it from Brazil Okay.
From From Brazil.
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