July 9, 2024 • 31 mins
Have you ever wondered where the line between spiritual enlightenment and mental health challenges lies? In this episode of "A Witch, a Mystic, and A Feminist," we kick things off with some light-hearted banter about our podcast listening quirks—whether it's running, cooking, or simply relaxing, we all have our unique habits. What starts as a fun conversation quickly transitions into a profound discussion on the delicate balance between spiritual experiences and potential mental health issues. We share personal stories and laugh about our idiosyncrasies, setting a warm and inviting tone for the deeper topics ahead.
We delve into the complexities of spiritual psychosis and spiritual delusion, emphasizing the importance of staying grounded in reality. Through Alexis's heartfelt story of being misdiagnosed as bipolar, we highlight how crucial it is to find a balanced approach that respects both spiritual and psychological well-being. Imagine having your spiritual gifts dismissed or misunderstood by medical professionals—such experiences can lead to unnecessary suffering and confusion. By advocating for holistic methods and emphasizing the importance of support and therapy, we hope to shed light on a more integrated path to wellness.
Lastly, we tackle societal skepticism and the challenges faced by those whose spiritual experiences are often dismissed or misdiagnosed. Reflecting on personal anecdotes, we share how connecting with lost loved ones and spirit guides brings immense comfort, even if mainstream medicine isn't always supportive. We discuss the importance of support systems and the personal decisions around sharing one's spiritual beliefs. Join us as we explore how to honor and validate our spiritual experiences while navigating a world that may not always understand.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome, welcome to A Witch, a Mystic and A Feminist.
The podcast, obviously, becauseyou're listening to it from the
comfort of your home or yourcar or while you're out jogging.
And if you are listening to itwhile you're jogging, I applaud
you, because I'm not a podcastgirl while I run.
So anyway, but welcome to theshow.
(00:29):
And today it is just the threeof us, the three hosts with the
most, and we are going to bediscussing I'm going to caveat
this mental health andspirituality, if we can stay on
topic, so we might roam a littlebit, but we'll try to come back
to the actual subject at hand.
So it's been a minute sinceit's just been the three of us,
(00:53):
and so we thought it would justbe a great episode where we just
keep it OG.
So, hi, ladies, hello.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, we'll try and stay on topic, but we know how
we are.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And as I drift off topic already.
So you were saying you knowrunning and I definitely don't
listen to podcasts when I'mrunning either.
I need some very upbeat musicto keep me going.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, yes, I do too.
I've tried it.
But I can walk with podcasts.
I cannot run with podcasts,it's just, there's not enough.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oomph I guess, and it's it's funny that you say
that, because I have actuallyswitched, but I also am not
running a whole lot lately, sobut I have.
I started and I think I toldyou, ladies, not long ago I
started listening to us becauseyou know, I've been working on
trying to get like overcomelistening to myself again for
(01:42):
our podcast listeners.
We record, we put out theepisodes and I never listened to
them again.
And that is me, that is ahundred percent me.
Like I don't want to hearmyself and then think, oh, why'd
you say that?
So I'm trying to get over that.
So actually, when I was runningcause again it's 110 right now
in Vegas, I'm not running awhole lot outside I switched it
(02:03):
up to listening to the podcastand it's been.
I find myself laughing and like, oh yeah, I remember that when
we talked about like it's beengreat and I have what?
Almost three seasons to listento.
So there's quite a few.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I do feel like if I could just settle into a podcast
when I was running, like if Icould find one where I'm just
like, okay, I'm just going tolisten.
Like it's a story being told.
So then I'm thinking I needtrue crime.
And then I'm like, but I don'tknow if I want to do that while
I'm running you know runningaway from someone like looking
around being really suspicious.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like I don't know if I want to do that to myself
either.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So we'll experiment.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like myself either.
So we'll experiment Like all ofa sudden you're on an episode
about a jogger being like takeninto a car while listening to.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know their music, because they didn't hear them
approaching.
Yeah, cause they had twoheadphones in instead of one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, I could see that I'll experiment
We'll see Maybe not true crime.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Maybe not, but like maybe an audio book, I don't
know I maybe I could try that.
I don't know if that would workeither.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't know.
I don't know if I could dobooks already, right, I don't
know.
How's that different than apodcast?
I don't know, but I don't know.
Maybe this is the episode.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, I I always run with one air pod in or one ear
bud in um, so that I am aware ofmy surroundings, and, like when
I'm in Southern California,there are a lot of unhoused
people, and some of them arevery aggressive, and so, kind of
like steering back into ourtopic at hand, you know there's
(03:40):
a lot of times you walk bypeople and they're talking to
themselves.
Well, you know, sometimesthey're on the phone too, though
, but you know they're talkingto themselves, or they come up
to you and strike up strangeconversations, and so one of the
things that brought up thistopic spirituality and mental
health is are they in factspiritual?
(04:02):
And I mean, I strongly believein both.
You can have psychotic episodes, and those people definitely
need the support of mentalhealth professionals.
I do a lot of this stuff andI've seen things that I can't
unsee, but I still seek the helpof mental health professionals.
(04:22):
So I'm not saying everybodyshould stop going to mental
health specialists and go seekout a spiritual coach, but just
kind of wondering your guys'thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It's tough and it's tough to discern, sometimes too
right, I know we've mentioned itwhen we do pre-interviews for
the show, when we bring guestson, and we do really try to suss
out the situation and see ifthere's a vibe, see if we're
clicking, but also to make surethat, like, it's not spiritual
psychosis, right, it's not.
And that's it's challengingbecause we're all human and you
(04:57):
know I find it hard to say, well, who's to say what you believe
isn't true to you, right, andwhat I believe isn't true to me,
and it makes you act a littlebit different.
You're out talking to yourselfin public Well, okay, whatever,
is that harmful, not harmful,but is it true to you?
Yes, okay, um, but are you wellright?
But am I well right?
(05:17):
Like, so somebody could look atme and say is she well like?
I don't know.
She's been going on these liketangents and she's been going
off the rails.
You know, like they.
Somebody else could say thesame thing about me.
So it's just so challenging toreally make that determination
for anybody else.
I do think if you have a gripon reality, right, I think
(05:38):
that's one thing.
If you're able to maintain yourdaily tasks, duties, whatever,
you know, your I mean your dailylife, the things you have to
get accomplished.
Okay, right, it's notinterfering, but yeah, it's just
, it's so challenging, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I am prepping for this episode.
You know, of course, do someresearch and you know what are
people saying.
What are people talking aboutwhen it comes to like
spirituality, or spiritualpsychosis, or spiritual delusion
, and I kept going in circlesbecause it really is when it
comes down to it.
I mean, you can talk aboutreligion, you can talk about you
(06:13):
know the, the vast universe andour spirit guides, and you know
our lost loved ones that someof us see here, talk to there.
It's such, it's such a hugespectrum.
And I think for me, like I said, I was going in circles because
I was like, well, you have this, but then you know, people
can't see it or understand itthemselves and they look at you
(06:34):
like you might be crazy.
But so it's just like thisnever ending loop of going in
circles of, okay, is it bad, isit not bad?
Very much along the lines, likeyou said, christy, is it
harming yourself?
Is it harming other peoplearound you?
How, what is the extreme you'retaking it to in trying to shove
it down someone's throat or saylike, well, this is how it is.
(06:57):
That's a good point.
You know, I don't care what youthink, this is how it is, but
it's very helpful for us too.
I mean, I kind of go back toreligion, right, like there's a
lot of people who preach abouttheir religion and firmly
believe in it, and then you havethe atheists or the people who
don't believe in, like, well, Ihaven't seen God, I haven't seen
(07:18):
Jesus, I don't see these angelsLike you must be crazy angels.
Like you must be crazy, right.
But if it's helping thememotionally, mentally, if it's
helping them explore who theyare, authentically finding peace
, I don't care.
If you believe that you knowthere's pink elephants that fly,
then makes you happy becauseyou see them, and maybe I think
(07:41):
that's crazy.
But if it's helping you, andthat might be a bad example, but
you can kind of see where I'mgoing with, as long as it
doesn't affect me, I'm of threatto yourself or others.
Are you almost becoming, Ithink, of cult leaders, right?
(08:09):
Like I mean, some of them havethese big beliefs that they are
God or a God or a deity, andit's like, oh okay, how far are
we going?
Are you affecting other people?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, and so with that, you know, I definitely
associate that with spiritualpsychosis, that they are the
chosen, one kind of thing.
And so there's a few thingswith spiritual psychosis.
There's that believing thatyou're being attacked by aliens
or dark spirits, things likethat.
(08:41):
But for me in my life and maybenot necessarily me, but more so
my kid, so Alexis, wasdiagnosed as bipolar and put on
medication which was justnumbing them and they had no
(09:01):
feeling, they had no nothing andreally started to affect their
person, who they were.
And for those that havelistened to the show before,
Alexis has a lot of gifts, ableto see things that most people
can't see, is really tapped intothe spiritual realm and was
(09:26):
told at one point by a mediumthat you're not bipolar, you're
just very gifted.
And so then it was decidedbetween Alexis, Vince and myself
to take them off of themedication and started working
on more spiritual ways ofgrounding, and I think that's a
(09:50):
big thing when it comes tospirituality and spiritual
psychosis.
Is that grounding?
I mean, one thing about us iswe are spiritual beings living a
human existence, and so it'simportant for us to have one
foot in reality at least, and sofor Alexis being able to ground
(10:11):
and still connect but not be onmedication.
That's just numbing everything.
So for me I have a huge problemwith, in my personal experience
, Alexis's psychiatrist.
I mean it was one appointmentand immediately putting them on
medication that I felt was moreharmful than doing good.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I absolutely agree.
I was going to say on thatpoint Sorry, christy, I was
going to say on that point too,that I'm a firm believer in if
you need some medication to helpyou get through, but you need
to work through the issues,because it's not I don't ever
feel like it's deemed for therest of your life.
Sometimes there might be achemical imbalance that you will
(10:57):
always need to take it, but youneed to help get to the core
issues.
So I think the medication isgreat but, like you said, it was
like one appointment.
Here's your meds, okay, youknow.
Okay, well, what about thethings that are going on that
are causing this?
You know therapy is needed,counseling is needed Sometimes,
obviously, adjustments andmedication, the type, the dosage
(11:20):
it's a really long-termadjustment and I just I've
always supported the fact that,okay, fine, you need this to
help you get through, but weneed to get through it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We need to work through whatever's happening.
And I mean, I've been onantidepressants in the past but
it was never anything that Iwanted long-term, but it was
never anything that I wantedlong-term.
At the time I had just hadAlexis and I was also still in
the process of dealing with mydivorce.
Yeah, I was divorced but I wasstill processing that and I
(11:58):
definitely was depressed.
And at that time I think thathaving those antidepressants to
get me through that, in additionto talk therapy, was helpful.
But to be able to get myselfoff of that and finding
different ways to help myself,like drinking less alcohol,
(12:21):
working out more, doing thingslike that to find grounding for
myself.
And that was again before.
I found meditation andjournaling and things of that
nature as well.
I'm completely opposed tomedication, but seeing my kid
(12:44):
and the effects of that and alsoI mean the physical effects of
it the kid was tired all thetime, breaking out completely,
yeah, and had more thoughts ofsuicide than they had prior to
that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Right, yeah, I was going to say I think the support
right Like the example you justshared is there was support for
alternative options.
Right, it wasn't justmedication.
Like you are bipolar, you willtake your meds for the rest of
your life.
You know what I mean.
Right, it was like like we'lltry this, cause you know we
(13:18):
trust the doctor, or we we hopewe can trust the doctor, and
then, okay, it's not doing great, so let's look for an
alternative option.
And in that you guys discoveredit wasn't, it was her
spirituality.
Right, it wasn't this diagnosisthat they handed down so easily
, it was her spirituality.
And there's not a lot of room,there's not any room for that in
(13:40):
medicine that I've seen.
Right, right, like, there'slike when you present that way,
you're either crazy, right, likeif you went in and said I can
see ghosts, or ghosts visit mein my dreams, or like whatever
you say, if you I mean thedoctor's going to look at you
like you're crazy and be like,uh, we probably need to get you
on some meds, right, causeyou're not in reality.
(14:02):
And you're like, no, I am, Istill go to work, I still do
everything I need to do, but Ijust see these people or like I
see these energies, or whatnot.
So there's there's just not alot of doctors who even will
listen to that, and so then theyslap you with a diagnosis and a
(14:26):
medication and they send you onyour way, which is so sad.
And I do think that you know,having that privilege to look
for other options is somethingthat a lot of unhoused people
who maybe are suffering fromspiritual psychosis don't have,
right, they don't have thatsupport system, or they don't
have that option to go adifferent route, um, or they
don't want to, right, becausethen I can't speak for them.
But maybe they know, like,maybe they're like I see these
people, I see these energies andI'm not going to not see them.
They're a part of my life,right?
(14:46):
So I'm not going to go to thedoctor, right?
I'm just going to deal with it.
And then it's hard to deal withand you do need support People
who are telling you no, Ibelieve you, I believe you,
right, and okay, let's workthrough it.
Like Jamie said, let's workthrough it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I have even found myself and I'm not one that says
I see dead people or anything,but I definitely feel like I
have a connection with my lostloved ones and we've talked
about our spirit guides.
I talk to them a lot, my angels.
I even find at times talking topeople that I know aren't on
(15:25):
the same page.
I'm hesitant because I don'twant to battle with them.
Can I prove to you that?
You know, I talked to mymother-in-law, who passed two
years ago, every day.
You know I can't prove that toyou.
You know I talked to mymother-in-law, who passed two
years ago, every day.
You know I can't prove that toyou.
You know I talked to my spiritguy, my angel, joan.
Like I talked to her all thetime, and sometimes out loud,
(15:47):
and Chad will be like who areyou talking to?
I'm like Joan.
I mean, he knows, so whatever,yeah, but I don't there's.
I find myself not wanting todiscuss it because I don't want
to have to prove myself and forme, knowing that in my heart and
my core of my soul, I know I'mtalking to them, I know I can
feel their presence.
(16:07):
I know that Joan is alwaysright here with me and she
guides me.
I don't feel like I have toprove that to you.
So I find myself withdrawingfrom discussing it with people.
Almost like politics sometimes,right, like I'm not going to
bring up politics with youbecause I don't want to have
this argument.
We're just not doing it, evenwhen it comes to like I was born
(16:32):
and raised Catholic, and eventalking to people who just
aren't religious at that timewhen I was, you know, not really
heavy into it, but you know,that was my belief.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
I believe that, but you knowthat was my belief.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
I believe that.
You know there's a God, a Bible, whatever.
And well, how do you know?
How do you know?
Well, I just know.
Like, I just know.
This is what I believe.
And beliefs can also change.
We all know that.
But I find myself withdrawingbecause I don't want to have to
(16:53):
prove myself.
And you know what.
I don't care if you believe ornot.
This is what I feel.
This is what helps me getthrough the death of my
mother-in-law.
This will help me get throughthe death of lost loved ones,
knowing and feeling in my heartthat I can still talk to them
Honestly.
That is what has been the onlything that has pulled me through
(17:13):
, because losing thesesignificant people in my life
this is when we all started thepodcast oh my God.
I feel like I am going off on atangent, but it was during that
time where it was like I was.
I could not accept that thiswas forever.
I could not accept it.
I haven't had a lot of deathsin my family Fortunately
there've been a handful but inthe last few years there's been
(17:35):
several with friends and family,and my mother-in-law it was the
hardest because it was like Ican't accept that she's gone
forever.
I just can't.
I just can't.
Okay, I may not be able to seeher, hug her, and there's
certain days that are that'sreally hard.
But knowing that I can talk toher, feel her presence, see her
signs when she gives them to me,it gives me such peace that I
(17:58):
don, I don't you might think wedie and then we're just earth
dirt, because that's what myhusband has felt for a long time
Like we die and we're just soilnow to the earth.
So I can't accept that and I'mnot going to sit here and like,
defend my, my perspective.
(18:19):
If it gives me peace, if itgets me through my day to day
because I miss them so much.
This is my way of stayingconnected and it actually has
helped me resolve a little bitof my fear with death, because
I've always been fearful ofdeath and I am in the sense of
I'm worried about the people Ileave, not necessarily me dying
(18:42):
and it really has helped me.
So I don't really care if Ihave to prove it to anyone.
I don't feel like I need to.
It helps me mentally,emotionally, um, get through
every day in this journey.
So whatever you guys allbelieve what you want.
You know, maybe you believe inreincarnation.
You might come back as a fly, Idon't know.
(19:03):
Like I that's, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's fine, it gives you peace.
Yeah Well, I mean, I rememberBrian and I having this
conversation because when we hadkids I was just recently
exiting Christianity, fullyRight, and your kids ask you
what happens when they, when wedie, and my immediate instinct
to shield them from anyharshness of reality in life was
to tell them they go to heaven,right, and I stopped.
(19:33):
I had to stop myself because Ididn't want to present that as
the only option, cause I don'tknow, that's true, and because I
felt like that did me harm inmy childhood then, more harm
than good, I guess.
And so, you know, I told him Idon't know, we don't know,
nobody really knows.
Some people think you go toheaven, some people think you're
reincarnated, and so we, youknow, they were really young at
(19:55):
this point, but we kept havingthose conversations.
But even Brian, who is anti-antiall the religion, he you know.
He said I understood, like Iunderstood in that moment, why
people say like you go to heaven, right.
Like I understood, because youdon't want your kids to think
(20:17):
it's just the end, right, likeyou want to give them hope that
there's something after.
And I was shocked that he feltthat way, cause I'm like what
I'm like.
You are so anti.
How do you even feel this way?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, kids change you too.
They're seeing things fromtheir eyes, and so I could see
where Brian is just like and weknow Brian, so where he's
sitting there saying, yeah, Iunderstand why people say this.
Yeah, I totally get that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, yeah.
And then after, afterwards itwas difficult because I mean not
difficult we continue havingconversations, even today, and
then they'll ask me what Ibelieve, and they'll ask Brian
what he believes, and we'll askthem what they believe.
And you're absolutely right,jamie, like I understand, as I
stepped back from religion, Iunderstand that people believe
things that will bring themcomfort, and so, especially with
(21:10):
the afterlife right, like itbrings people comfort.
It brings people peace.
Even with religion, evenbelieving there is one true God,
like that brings people peace.
That brings people comfort intheir everyday lives, that they
have somebody that they can telltheir problems to, that they
can pray to, that they canconfess their sins to right.
Like there's a lot of that.
And so, as I've healed fromreligion, I'm able to say, like
(21:35):
you, okay, that brings youcomfort and peace.
I don't need to fight with that, I don't need to argue with
that, I don't even need todiscuss it with you.
I know what you believe.
You may not know what I believe, but you've made it clear and
that's great.
It brings you comfort and peace.
I'm not going to try to disruptthat comfort and peace because
ultimately, like you said, ifyou're not hurting anyone, then
(21:57):
what does it matter to me?
It doesn't affect me.
And that's been really hard,like that's been harder to learn
, like in the last because,because there's, there were
pieces of me that were harmedand so, like anytime somebody
would be like, oh, you go toheaven, I'd be like no, you
don't, and I was like, you know,like or like, or I'd be like
you don't know that and I justwould want to like yell at them
you don't know that, don't tellthem that.
(22:19):
That's probably, you know, justkind of aggressive with it and I
would never say it, but I couldfeel it inside and I was like,
oh, I need to work through that.
So you know, that's just onelittle seed that I work through.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, Well, for me, with Alexis, I never had to tell
them this is what happens whenyou die, Because from very, very
early on the kid was able tosee my father-in-law, who had
passed away the year before theywere born.
So you know, I never had to dealwith that.
But going back to Jamie's pointof not wanting to have those
(22:57):
discussions and things, Iremember, Christy, you and I
being in the backyard of afriend's house, in the backyard
of a friend's house and justkind of I'll throw things out to
kind of catch the vibe of theroom, Be like, okay, you know,
is this going to be superficialconversations or deeper
(23:17):
conversations?
And you know.
So I threw out that line andthen you and I just we were like
, okay, we're on the same page,you know.
But I get that because you knowalso, I don't want to throw my
beliefs and put that down otherpeople's throats either, you
know.
But at the same time I'm goingto be my authentic self and if
(23:41):
you ask me what I believe, Iwill tell you and you can
believe it or not, and we canhave a difference of opinion or
whatever it is.
I'm fine with that.
I've been finding that otherpeople aren't, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, yeah, I mean, that's what I was just going to
say Like if somebody is comingto you to quote, have a
conversation and you're like,okay, let's have a conversation,
great, we're going to have afriendly conversation.
And then their stance is no,trying to disprove what you
believe or try, you know, liketrying to poke holes in it.
And that's really frustrating,right, because you're like, I'm
(24:16):
not trying to poke holes inanything you believe, I'm just
we.
I thought we were having afriendly conversation and you've
turned it into this now, likedebate kind of thing, and I'm
not, I'm not interested, so I'mjust going to walk away.
And then you're the rude one,right, and I'm like whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm the rude one then .
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Like I just don't have time for this, I don't have
the energy, Like I right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So I need to go there .
Okay, bye, bye, felicia.
Yeah, I'm listening to you guysbecause there is a part of me,
like I said, you know I'm notgoing to just walk up and be
like this is what I believe.
You know.
Let's talk about this with,like, you guys, if there's a
connection or you kind of feellike this is an area we can
discuss this as, like you know,respectable humans, let's, let's
have a discussion.
(24:56):
Yeah, I am the first one to tryand prove it to you when I have
proof you don't believe.
But guess what?
Look at that.
You know like, okay, perfectexample.
My wonderful husband, who youknow again, believes we're earth
dirt.
And then we'll.
Let's talk about my session withJen, our medium.
You know that was my very firstreading and she's I'm writing
(25:19):
all this stuff down and thewhole pancake story, and I'm
just like, and then, when itclicked with him two weeks later
, I don't think he wanted totell me why, and then he did.
I was like, oh, do you believeme?
Now?
Like, come on, like, can't youunderstand?
And he's like, oh, my God, he'slike stop.
So, like I said, I don't openlydiscuss it with everyone, but
(25:41):
if I have something to be like,aha, right, look at that.
But if I have something to belike aha, right, look at that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, Vince has seen things and experienced things
that I haven't experienced, andyou know, with the spiritual
realm, and but he still has avery healthy skepticism, you
know, behind him, and so there'ssome times where I'm like you
(26:05):
know, that was a sign.
And he was like you know, likewe'll see a butterfly.
And he's like no, this is liketheir land, just like sharks.
You know, you go into the waterif you see a shark, that's
where they live, Like this iswhere they live.
It's not a sign, it's fuckingnature, you know, and he'll
battle with me like that.
But then, all of a sudden,he'll see something.
He's like hey babe, um, whatkind of sign is that?
(26:28):
What does that mean?
Yeah, so I get a lot of thatfrom him, which is, which is
funny, I had a um.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I have.
I guess I was going to ask aquestion, though.
So spiritual psychosis isbeliefs that have no basis in
reality, right, correct?
So really, the things we talkabout on this podcast some
people could say have no basisin reality, right, because maybe
they're very scientific andthey don't believe in any of the
woo-woo stuff.
(26:58):
But it's weird because evenreligion could be spiritual
psychosis, right Christianity,catholicism.
But because those are ingrainedin our history and they've been
around for so long, half, Iwant to say half, of at least
America thinks that God is real,right, like, and so that's not
psychosis anymore becausethere's a majority that believes
it Our money says, and God wetrust.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I mean, it's ingrained in our country's
history.
Exactly, but church and stateis separate.
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
But it isn't, but it isn't.
Please continue, pleasecontinue.
Christy.
But no, I guess my point waslike, really, the only reason
that religion, catholicism,Christianity, those kinds of
religions aren't consideredspiritual psychosis by majority
of people is because they are.
They have been in our societyfor so long.
(27:50):
Whereas, like, it's bizarre tome and I guess I'd have to look
at the history of it, but it'sbizarre to me that even
historically, right whenChristianity was first, the
crusades were coming through andeverything.
I'm sure there were people thatwere like this is crazy, who
believes this?
And then they were killed inthe crusades but it continued
and it continued because therewas murder and genocide, like
(28:11):
all the things Right and in thename of God, um, and.
But now we claim that, or halfof the half the world, united
States claim that as like thereligion of the United States,
like that is our religion.
I just it boggles my mind.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's exactly why I was saying I kept going in
circles, because you could sayall of religion.
I mean someone could look atyou and be like, well, you're
obviously, you know,experiencing spiritual psychosis
because you know there is noJesus Christ, there is no one
God like whatever.
So, yeah, it could very much beany of that, all of it, because
I can't so-called and I'm airquotes prove it to you, because
(28:50):
you need physical proof.
Whatever that proof is, you'regoing to look at me like I'm
crazy and this goes back to, youknow, the medieval times, back
to our Roman, you know Greekgods, like deities and mystics
have existed, our wonderfulwitches in Salem.
I mean, you can talk about allof it, all of it, and anyone
could be deemed psychotic.
(29:11):
I think our guest show will bereleased before this episode,
but we've had guests that havetalked about especially one that
will have just come out that Ithought I was crazy because I
was seeing and hearing deadpeople.
I didn't even want to talkabout it because I knew that
meant I had to accept it andmaybe I am crazy, but, as you
were saying, like Alexis, youknow it wasn't necessarily a
(29:34):
mental disorder.
It was just this gift that theyhad to embrace.
So yeah, anyways.
So yeah, everyone could becrazy if you are religious or
you, you know, see dead people,you see signs, you everyone
could be crazy if you arereligious or you see dead people
.
You see signs Everyone could bedeemed crazy, Believe in
afterlife.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well, I mean, you can even talk religion and history,
we talk about everything in ourhistory books, but it's just
one person's side, it's just oneside's side.
Is that in fact fact?
I mean, you know, a lot ofpeople will go back to history
books and say, well, this isfact because this is in the
history books, kind of thing,and it's like, but that's just
(30:13):
one side of a story.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, exactly so that's my thoughts, but.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I love these kinds of conversations, like you know,
when the three of us sit hereand talk like this, because it's
I love, conversations that makeme think outside of what we've
been told all of our lives.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Exactly, we've been conditioned.
Yeah, yeah, well, thank you,ladies.
I enjoyed the conversation andI hope that you all did too.
We mostly stayed on topic, soyou're welcome you all did too.
We mostly stayed on topic Um, soyou're welcome and maybe, maybe
next time is just the three ofus.
It'll be a little more unhingedyou just never know with us.
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(30:57):
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Welcome, welcome to A Witch, a Mystic and A Feminist.
The podcast, obviously, becauseyou're listening to it from the
comfort of your home or yourcar or while you're out jogging.
And if you are listening to itwhile you're jogging, I applaud
you, because I'm not a podcastgirl while I run.
So anyway, but welcome to theshow.
(00:29):
And today it is just the threeof us, the three hosts with the
most, and we are going to bediscussing I'm going to caveat
this mental health andspirituality, if we can stay on
topic, so we might roam a littlebit, but we'll try to come back
to the actual subject at hand.
So it's been a minute sinceit's just been the three of us,
(00:53):
and so we thought it would justbe a great episode where we just
keep it OG.
So, hi, ladies, hello.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, we'll try and stay on topic, but we know how
we are.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And as I drift off topic already.
So you were saying you knowrunning and I definitely don't
listen to podcasts when I'mrunning either.
I need some very upbeat musicto keep me going.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, yes, I do too.
I've tried it.
But I can walk with podcasts.
I cannot run with podcasts,it's just, there's not enough.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oomph I guess, and it's it's funny that you say
that, because I have actuallyswitched, but I also am not
running a whole lot lately, sobut I have.
I started and I think I toldyou, ladies, not long ago I
started listening to us becauseyou know, I've been working on
trying to get like overcomelistening to myself again for
(01:42):
our podcast listeners.
We record, we put out theepisodes and I never listened to
them again.
And that is me, that is ahundred percent me.
Like I don't want to hearmyself and then think, oh, why'd
you say that?
So I'm trying to get over that.
So actually, when I was runningcause again it's 110 right now
in Vegas, I'm not running awhole lot outside I switched it
(02:03):
up to listening to the podcastand it's been.
I find myself laughing and like, oh yeah, I remember that when
we talked about like it's beengreat and I have what?
Almost three seasons to listento.
So there's quite a few.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I do feel like if I could just settle into a podcast
when I was running, like if Icould find one where I'm just
like, okay, I'm just going tolisten.
Like it's a story being told.
So then I'm thinking I needtrue crime.
And then I'm like, but I don'tknow if I want to do that while
I'm running you know runningaway from someone like looking
around being really suspicious.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like I don't know if I want to do that to myself
either.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So we'll experiment.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like myself either.
So we'll experiment Like all ofa sudden you're on an episode
about a jogger being like takeninto a car while listening to.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
You know their music, because they didn't hear them
approaching.
Yeah, cause they had twoheadphones in instead of one.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, I could see that I'll experiment
We'll see Maybe not true crime.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Maybe not, but like maybe an audio book, I don't
know I maybe I could try that.
I don't know if that would workeither.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't know.
I don't know if I could dobooks already, right, I don't
know.
How's that different than apodcast?
I don't know, but I don't know.
Maybe this is the episode.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, I I always run with one air pod in or one ear
bud in um, so that I am aware ofmy surroundings, and, like when
I'm in Southern California,there are a lot of unhoused
people, and some of them arevery aggressive, and so, kind of
like steering back into ourtopic at hand, you know there's
(03:40):
a lot of times you walk bypeople and they're talking to
themselves.
Well, you know, sometimesthey're on the phone too, though
, but you know they're talkingto themselves, or they come up
to you and strike up strangeconversations, and so one of the
things that brought up thistopic spirituality and mental
health is are they in factspiritual?
(04:02):
And I mean, I strongly believein both.
You can have psychotic episodes, and those people definitely
need the support of mentalhealth professionals.
I do a lot of this stuff andI've seen things that I can't
unsee, but I still seek the helpof mental health professionals.
(04:22):
So I'm not saying everybodyshould stop going to mental
health specialists and go seekout a spiritual coach, but just
kind of wondering your guys'thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It's tough and it's tough to discern, sometimes too
right, I know we've mentioned itwhen we do pre-interviews for
the show, when we bring guestson, and we do really try to suss
out the situation and see ifthere's a vibe, see if we're
clicking, but also to make surethat, like, it's not spiritual
psychosis, right, it's not.
And that's it's challengingbecause we're all human and you
(04:57):
know I find it hard to say, well, who's to say what you believe
isn't true to you, right, andwhat I believe isn't true to me,
and it makes you act a littlebit different.
You're out talking to yourselfin public Well, okay, whatever,
is that harmful, not harmful,but is it true to you?
Yes, okay, um, but are you wellright?
But am I well right?
(05:17):
Like, so somebody could look atme and say is she well like?
I don't know.
She's been going on these liketangents and she's been going
off the rails.
You know, like they.
Somebody else could say thesame thing about me.
So it's just so challenging toreally make that determination
for anybody else.
I do think if you have a gripon reality, right, I think
(05:38):
that's one thing.
If you're able to maintain yourdaily tasks, duties, whatever,
you know, your I mean your dailylife, the things you have to
get accomplished.
Okay, right, it's notinterfering, but yeah, it's just
, it's so challenging, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I am prepping for this episode.
You know, of course, do someresearch and you know what are
people saying.
What are people talking aboutwhen it comes to like
spirituality, or spiritualpsychosis, or spiritual delusion
, and I kept going in circlesbecause it really is when it
comes down to it.
I mean, you can talk aboutreligion, you can talk about you
(06:13):
know the, the vast universe andour spirit guides, and you know
our lost loved ones that someof us see here, talk to there.
It's such, it's such a hugespectrum.
And I think for me, like I said, I was going in circles because
I was like, well, you have this, but then you know, people
can't see it or understand itthemselves and they look at you
(06:34):
like you might be crazy.
But so it's just like thisnever ending loop of going in
circles of, okay, is it bad, isit not bad?
Very much along the lines, likeyou said, christy, is it
harming yourself?
Is it harming other peoplearound you?
How, what is the extreme you'retaking it to in trying to shove
it down someone's throat or saylike, well, this is how it is.
(06:57):
That's a good point.
You know, I don't care what youthink, this is how it is, but
it's very helpful for us too.
I mean, I kind of go back toreligion, right, like there's a
lot of people who preach abouttheir religion and firmly
believe in it, and then you havethe atheists or the people who
don't believe in, like, well, Ihaven't seen God, I haven't seen
(07:18):
Jesus, I don't see these angelsLike you must be crazy angels.
Like you must be crazy, right.
But if it's helping thememotionally, mentally, if it's
helping them explore who theyare, authentically finding peace
, I don't care.
If you believe that you knowthere's pink elephants that fly,
then makes you happy becauseyou see them, and maybe I think
(07:41):
that's crazy.
But if it's helping you, andthat might be a bad example, but
you can kind of see where I'mgoing with, as long as it
doesn't affect me, I'm of threatto yourself or others.
Are you almost becoming, Ithink, of cult leaders, right?
(08:09):
Like I mean, some of them havethese big beliefs that they are
God or a God or a deity, andit's like, oh okay, how far are
we going?
Are you affecting other people?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, and so with that, you know, I definitely
associate that with spiritualpsychosis, that they are the
chosen, one kind of thing.
And so there's a few thingswith spiritual psychosis.
There's that believing thatyou're being attacked by aliens
or dark spirits, things likethat.
(08:41):
But for me in my life and maybenot necessarily me, but more so
my kid, so Alexis, wasdiagnosed as bipolar and put on
medication which was justnumbing them and they had no
(09:01):
feeling, they had no nothing andreally started to affect their
person, who they were.
And for those that havelistened to the show before,
Alexis has a lot of gifts, ableto see things that most people
can't see, is really tapped intothe spiritual realm and was
(09:26):
told at one point by a mediumthat you're not bipolar, you're
just very gifted.
And so then it was decidedbetween Alexis, Vince and myself
to take them off of themedication and started working
on more spiritual ways ofgrounding, and I think that's a
(09:50):
big thing when it comes tospirituality and spiritual
psychosis.
Is that grounding?
I mean, one thing about us iswe are spiritual beings living a
human existence, and so it'simportant for us to have one
foot in reality at least, and sofor Alexis being able to ground
(10:11):
and still connect but not be onmedication.
That's just numbing everything.
So for me I have a huge problemwith, in my personal experience
, Alexis's psychiatrist.
I mean it was one appointmentand immediately putting them on
medication that I felt was moreharmful than doing good.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I absolutely agree.
I was going to say on thatpoint Sorry, christy, I was
going to say on that point too,that I'm a firm believer in if
you need some medication to helpyou get through, but you need
to work through the issues,because it's not I don't ever
feel like it's deemed for therest of your life.
Sometimes there might be achemical imbalance that you will
(10:57):
always need to take it, but youneed to help get to the core
issues.
So I think the medication isgreat but, like you said, it was
like one appointment.
Here's your meds, okay, youknow.
Okay, well, what about thethings that are going on that
are causing this?
You know therapy is needed,counseling is needed Sometimes,
obviously, adjustments andmedication, the type, the dosage
(11:20):
it's a really long-termadjustment and I just I've
always supported the fact that,okay, fine, you need this to
help you get through, but weneed to get through it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We need to work through whatever's happening.
And I mean, I've been onantidepressants in the past but
it was never anything that Iwanted long-term, but it was
never anything that I wantedlong-term.
At the time I had just hadAlexis and I was also still in
the process of dealing with mydivorce.
Yeah, I was divorced but I wasstill processing that and I
(11:58):
definitely was depressed.
And at that time I think thathaving those antidepressants to
get me through that, in additionto talk therapy, was helpful.
But to be able to get myselfoff of that and finding
different ways to help myself,like drinking less alcohol,
(12:21):
working out more, doing thingslike that to find grounding for
myself.
And that was again before.
I found meditation andjournaling and things of that
nature as well.
I'm completely opposed tomedication, but seeing my kid
(12:44):
and the effects of that and alsoI mean the physical effects of
it the kid was tired all thetime, breaking out completely,
yeah, and had more thoughts ofsuicide than they had prior to
that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Right, yeah, I was going to say I think the support
right Like the example you justshared is there was support for
alternative options.
Right, it wasn't justmedication.
Like you are bipolar, you willtake your meds for the rest of
your life.
You know what I mean.
Right, it was like like we'lltry this, cause you know we
(13:18):
trust the doctor, or we we hopewe can trust the doctor, and
then, okay, it's not doing great, so let's look for an
alternative option.
And in that you guys discoveredit wasn't, it was her
spirituality.
Right, it wasn't this diagnosisthat they handed down so easily
, it was her spirituality.
And there's not a lot of room,there's not any room for that in
(13:40):
medicine that I've seen.
Right, right, like, there'slike when you present that way,
you're either crazy, right, likeif you went in and said I can
see ghosts, or ghosts visit mein my dreams, or like whatever
you say, if you I mean thedoctor's going to look at you
like you're crazy and be like,uh, we probably need to get you
on some meds, right, causeyou're not in reality.
(14:02):
And you're like, no, I am, Istill go to work, I still do
everything I need to do, but Ijust see these people or like I
see these energies, or whatnot.
So there's there's just not alot of doctors who even will
listen to that, and so then theyslap you with a diagnosis and a
(14:26):
medication and they send you onyour way, which is so sad.
And I do think that you know,having that privilege to look
for other options is somethingthat a lot of unhoused people
who maybe are suffering fromspiritual psychosis don't have,
right, they don't have thatsupport system, or they don't
have that option to go adifferent route, um, or they
don't want to, right, becausethen I can't speak for them.
But maybe they know, like,maybe they're like I see these
people, I see these energies andI'm not going to not see them.
They're a part of my life,right?
(14:46):
So I'm not going to go to thedoctor, right?
I'm just going to deal with it.
And then it's hard to deal withand you do need support People
who are telling you no, Ibelieve you, I believe you,
right, and okay, let's workthrough it.
Like Jamie said, let's workthrough it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I have even found myself and I'm not one that says
I see dead people or anything,but I definitely feel like I
have a connection with my lostloved ones and we've talked
about our spirit guides.
I talk to them a lot, my angels.
I even find at times talking topeople that I know aren't on
(15:25):
the same page.
I'm hesitant because I don'twant to battle with them.
Can I prove to you that?
You know, I talked to mymother-in-law, who passed two
years ago, every day.
You know I can't prove that toyou.
You know I talked to mymother-in-law, who passed two
years ago, every day.
You know I can't prove that toyou.
You know I talked to my spiritguy, my angel, joan.
Like I talked to her all thetime, and sometimes out loud,
(15:47):
and Chad will be like who areyou talking to?
I'm like Joan.
I mean, he knows, so whatever,yeah, but I don't there's.
I find myself not wanting todiscuss it because I don't want
to have to prove myself and forme, knowing that in my heart and
my core of my soul, I know I'mtalking to them, I know I can
feel their presence.
(16:07):
I know that Joan is alwaysright here with me and she
guides me.
I don't feel like I have toprove that to you.
So I find myself withdrawingfrom discussing it with people.
Almost like politics sometimes,right, like I'm not going to
bring up politics with youbecause I don't want to have
this argument.
We're just not doing it, evenwhen it comes to like I was born
(16:32):
and raised Catholic, and eventalking to people who just
aren't religious at that timewhen I was, you know, not really
heavy into it, but you know,that was my belief.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
I believe that, but you knowthat was my belief.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
I believe that.
You know there's a God, a Bible, whatever.
And well, how do you know?
How do you know?
Well, I just know.
Like, I just know.
This is what I believe.
And beliefs can also change.
We all know that.
But I find myself withdrawingbecause I don't want to have to
(16:53):
prove myself.
And you know what.
I don't care if you believe ornot.
This is what I feel.
This is what helps me getthrough the death of my
mother-in-law.
This will help me get throughthe death of lost loved ones,
knowing and feeling in my heartthat I can still talk to them
Honestly.
That is what has been the onlything that has pulled me through
(17:13):
, because losing thesesignificant people in my life
this is when we all started thepodcast oh my God.
I feel like I am going off on atangent, but it was during that
time where it was like I was.
I could not accept that thiswas forever.
I could not accept it.
I haven't had a lot of deathsin my family Fortunately
there've been a handful but inthe last few years there's been
(17:35):
several with friends and family,and my mother-in-law it was the
hardest because it was like Ican't accept that she's gone
forever.
I just can't.
I just can't.
Okay, I may not be able to seeher, hug her, and there's
certain days that are that'sreally hard.
But knowing that I can talk toher, feel her presence, see her
signs when she gives them to me,it gives me such peace that I
(17:58):
don, I don't you might think wedie and then we're just earth
dirt, because that's what myhusband has felt for a long time
Like we die and we're just soilnow to the earth.
So I can't accept that and I'mnot going to sit here and like,
defend my, my perspective.
(18:19):
If it gives me peace, if itgets me through my day to day
because I miss them so much.
This is my way of stayingconnected and it actually has
helped me resolve a little bitof my fear with death, because
I've always been fearful ofdeath and I am in the sense of
I'm worried about the people Ileave, not necessarily me dying
(18:42):
and it really has helped me.
So I don't really care if Ihave to prove it to anyone.
I don't feel like I need to.
It helps me mentally,emotionally, um, get through
every day in this journey.
So whatever you guys allbelieve what you want.
You know, maybe you believe inreincarnation.
You might come back as a fly, Idon't know.
(19:03):
Like I that's, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's fine, it gives you peace.
Yeah Well, I mean, I rememberBrian and I having this
conversation because when we hadkids I was just recently
exiting Christianity, fullyRight, and your kids ask you
what happens when they, when wedie, and my immediate instinct
to shield them from anyharshness of reality in life was
to tell them they go to heaven,right, and I stopped.
(19:33):
I had to stop myself because Ididn't want to present that as
the only option, cause I don'tknow, that's true, and because I
felt like that did me harm inmy childhood then, more harm
than good, I guess.
And so, you know, I told him Idon't know, we don't know,
nobody really knows.
Some people think you go toheaven, some people think you're
reincarnated, and so we, youknow, they were really young at
(19:55):
this point, but we kept havingthose conversations.
But even Brian, who is anti-antiall the religion, he you know.
He said I understood, like Iunderstood in that moment, why
people say like you go to heaven, right.
Like I understood, because youdon't want your kids to think
(20:17):
it's just the end, right, likeyou want to give them hope that
there's something after.
And I was shocked that he feltthat way, cause I'm like what
I'm like.
You are so anti.
How do you even feel this way?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, kids change you too.
They're seeing things fromtheir eyes, and so I could see
where Brian is just like and weknow Brian, so where he's
sitting there saying, yeah, Iunderstand why people say this.
Yeah, I totally get that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, yeah.
And then after, afterwards itwas difficult because I mean not
difficult we continue havingconversations, even today, and
then they'll ask me what Ibelieve, and they'll ask Brian
what he believes, and we'll askthem what they believe.
And you're absolutely right,jamie, like I understand, as I
stepped back from religion, Iunderstand that people believe
things that will bring themcomfort, and so, especially with
(21:10):
the afterlife right, like itbrings people comfort.
It brings people peace.
Even with religion, evenbelieving there is one true God,
like that brings people peace.
That brings people comfort intheir everyday lives, that they
have somebody that they can telltheir problems to, that they
can pray to, that they canconfess their sins to right.
Like there's a lot of that.
And so, as I've healed fromreligion, I'm able to say, like
(21:35):
you, okay, that brings youcomfort and peace.
I don't need to fight with that, I don't need to argue with
that, I don't even need todiscuss it with you.
I know what you believe.
You may not know what I believe, but you've made it clear and
that's great.
It brings you comfort and peace.
I'm not going to try to disruptthat comfort and peace because
ultimately, like you said, ifyou're not hurting anyone, then
(21:57):
what does it matter to me?
It doesn't affect me.
And that's been really hard,like that's been harder to learn
, like in the last because,because there's, there were
pieces of me that were harmedand so, like anytime somebody
would be like, oh, you go toheaven, I'd be like no, you
don't, and I was like, you know,like or like, or I'd be like
you don't know that and I justwould want to like yell at them
you don't know that, don't tellthem that.
(22:19):
That's probably, you know, justkind of aggressive with it and I
would never say it, but I couldfeel it inside and I was like,
oh, I need to work through that.
So you know, that's just onelittle seed that I work through.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, Well, for me, with Alexis, I never had to tell
them this is what happens whenyou die, Because from very, very
early on the kid was able tosee my father-in-law, who had
passed away the year before theywere born.
So you know, I never had to dealwith that.
But going back to Jamie's pointof not wanting to have those
(22:57):
discussions and things, Iremember, Christy, you and I
being in the backyard of afriend's house, in the backyard
of a friend's house and justkind of I'll throw things out to
kind of catch the vibe of theroom, Be like, okay, you know,
is this going to be superficialconversations or deeper
(23:17):
conversations?
And you know.
So I threw out that line andthen you and I just we were like
, okay, we're on the same page,you know.
But I get that because you knowalso, I don't want to throw my
beliefs and put that down otherpeople's throats either, you
know.
But at the same time I'm goingto be my authentic self and if
(23:41):
you ask me what I believe, Iwill tell you and you can
believe it or not, and we canhave a difference of opinion or
whatever it is.
I'm fine with that.
I've been finding that otherpeople aren't, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, yeah, I mean, that's what I was just going to
say Like if somebody is comingto you to quote, have a
conversation and you're like,okay, let's have a conversation,
great, we're going to have afriendly conversation.
And then their stance is no,trying to disprove what you
believe or try, you know, liketrying to poke holes in it.
And that's really frustrating,right, because you're like, I'm
(24:16):
not trying to poke holes inanything you believe, I'm just
we.
I thought we were having afriendly conversation and you've
turned it into this now, likedebate kind of thing, and I'm
not, I'm not interested, so I'mjust going to walk away.
And then you're the rude one,right, and I'm like whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm the rude one then .
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Like I just don't have time for this, I don't have
the energy, Like I right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So I need to go there .
Okay, bye, bye, felicia.
Yeah, I'm listening to you guysbecause there is a part of me,
like I said, you know I'm notgoing to just walk up and be
like this is what I believe.
You know.
Let's talk about this with,like, you guys, if there's a
connection or you kind of feellike this is an area we can
discuss this as, like you know,respectable humans, let's, let's
have a discussion.
(24:56):
Yeah, I am the first one to tryand prove it to you when I have
proof you don't believe.
But guess what?
Look at that.
You know like, okay, perfectexample.
My wonderful husband, who youknow again, believes we're earth
dirt.
And then we'll.
Let's talk about my session withJen, our medium.
You know that was my very firstreading and she's I'm writing
(25:19):
all this stuff down and thewhole pancake story, and I'm
just like, and then, when itclicked with him two weeks later
, I don't think he wanted totell me why, and then he did.
I was like, oh, do you believeme?
Now?
Like, come on, like, can't youunderstand?
And he's like, oh, my God, he'slike stop.
So, like I said, I don't openlydiscuss it with everyone, but
(25:41):
if I have something to be like,aha, right, look at that.
But if I have something to belike aha, right, look at that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, Vince has seen things and experienced things
that I haven't experienced, andyou know, with the spiritual
realm, and but he still has avery healthy skepticism, you
know, behind him, and so there'ssome times where I'm like you
(26:05):
know, that was a sign.
And he was like you know, likewe'll see a butterfly.
And he's like no, this is liketheir land, just like sharks.
You know, you go into the waterif you see a shark, that's
where they live, Like this iswhere they live.
It's not a sign, it's fuckingnature, you know, and he'll
battle with me like that.
But then, all of a sudden,he'll see something.
He's like hey babe, um, whatkind of sign is that?
(26:28):
What does that mean?
Yeah, so I get a lot of thatfrom him, which is, which is
funny, I had a um.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I have.
I guess I was going to ask aquestion, though.
So spiritual psychosis isbeliefs that have no basis in
reality, right, correct?
So really, the things we talkabout on this podcast some
people could say have no basisin reality, right, because maybe
they're very scientific andthey don't believe in any of the
woo-woo stuff.
(26:58):
But it's weird because evenreligion could be spiritual
psychosis, right Christianity,catholicism.
But because those are ingrainedin our history and they've been
around for so long, half, Iwant to say half, of at least
America thinks that God is real,right, like, and so that's not
psychosis anymore becausethere's a majority that believes
it Our money says, and God wetrust.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I mean, it's ingrained in our country's
history.
Exactly, but church and stateis separate.
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
But it isn't, but it isn't.
Please continue, pleasecontinue.
Christy.
But no, I guess my point waslike, really, the only reason
that religion, catholicism,Christianity, those kinds of
religions aren't consideredspiritual psychosis by majority
of people is because they are.
They have been in our societyfor so long.
(27:50):
Whereas, like, it's bizarre tome and I guess I'd have to look
at the history of it, but it'sbizarre to me that even
historically, right whenChristianity was first, the
crusades were coming through andeverything.
I'm sure there were people thatwere like this is crazy, who
believes this?
And then they were killed inthe crusades but it continued
and it continued because therewas murder and genocide, like
(28:11):
all the things Right and in thename of God, um, and.
But now we claim that, or halfof the half the world, united
States claim that as like thereligion of the United States,
like that is our religion.
I just it boggles my mind.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's exactly why I was saying I kept going in
circles, because you could sayall of religion.
I mean someone could look atyou and be like, well, you're
obviously, you know,experiencing spiritual psychosis
because you know there is noJesus Christ, there is no one
God like whatever.
So, yeah, it could very much beany of that, all of it, because
I can't so-called and I'm airquotes prove it to you, because
(28:50):
you need physical proof.
Whatever that proof is, you'regoing to look at me like I'm
crazy and this goes back to, youknow, the medieval times, back
to our Roman, you know Greekgods, like deities and mystics
have existed, our wonderfulwitches in Salem.
I mean, you can talk about allof it, all of it, and anyone
could be deemed psychotic.
(29:11):
I think our guest show will bereleased before this episode,
but we've had guests that havetalked about especially one that
will have just come out that Ithought I was crazy because I
was seeing and hearing deadpeople.
I didn't even want to talkabout it because I knew that
meant I had to accept it andmaybe I am crazy, but, as you
were saying, like Alexis, youknow it wasn't necessarily a
(29:34):
mental disorder.
It was just this gift that theyhad to embrace.
So yeah, anyways.
So yeah, everyone could becrazy if you are religious or
you, you know, see dead people,you see signs, you everyone
could be crazy if you arereligious or you see dead people
.
You see signs Everyone could bedeemed crazy, Believe in
afterlife.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well, I mean, you can even talk religion and history,
we talk about everything in ourhistory books, but it's just
one person's side, it's just oneside's side.
Is that in fact fact?
I mean, you know, a lot ofpeople will go back to history
books and say, well, this isfact because this is in the
history books, kind of thing,and it's like, but that's just
(30:13):
one side of a story.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, exactly so that's my thoughts, but.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I love these kinds of conversations, like you know,
when the three of us sit hereand talk like this, because it's
I love, conversations that makeme think outside of what we've
been told all of our lives.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Exactly, we've been conditioned.
Yeah, yeah, well, thank you,ladies.
I enjoyed the conversation andI hope that you all did too.
We mostly stayed on topic, soyou're welcome you all did too.
We mostly stayed on topic Um, soyou're welcome and maybe, maybe
next time is just the three ofus.
It'll be a little more unhingedyou just never know with us.
So, um, we appreciate youlistening and we hope you will
(30:57):
tune in next time.
For now you can go to wmfpodcomto interact with us and to
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