May 14, 2024 • 32 mins
When the cards of life are dealt, some hands require a deeper exploration to understand their meaning. Kate Van Horn, a sage in the mystical arts, joins us to share her journey from the dark corridors of trauma to the enlightening path of tarot. Her book, "Inner Tarot," is not just a guide to the ancient practice but a memoir of resilience that stitches together the wisdom of the tarot with the fabric of personal healing. Kate's story is one of transformation, revealing the power of vulnerability and the instrumental role tarot has played in her recovery from sexual trauma, PTSD, and eating disorders.
As we weave through the conversation, the tarot emerges as a mirror, reflecting our deepest selves through its timeless imagery. Kate illustrates how she reinvigorates these ancient archetypes, assisting us in seeing our own stories within the cards. Whether you are new to the tarot or have a wealth of experience shuffling through life's deck, her insights on teaching intuition are a lighthouse guiding us to the shores of self-understanding. We also revel in the serendipity of her path, sparked by the simple gift of a tarot deck and fanned into a flame that now lights the way for others.
But the revelations don't stop with the shuffle of cards; they extend to the spaces we inhabit. Kate, with her nuanced understanding of feng shui and numerology, opens the door to the energies that dance within our homes. She takes us on a tour of how she merges feng shui with modern living, creating sanctuaries that resonate with our spiritual frequencies. If you've ever wondered about the silent stories your home tells through its address number or why certain rooms evoke specific feelings, this episode will paint your curiosity with answers. Kate's life, marked by an upcoming marriage and the desire to connect through retreats and intuitive coaching, serves as a testament to the harmony that can be achieved when we align our inner and outer worlds. Join us for this soul-stirring episode that promises to enlighten, inspire, and transform.
For more information on Kate Van Horn you can go to her websites:
www.katevanhorn.com
https://www.theinnertarot.com
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IG: Kate.Van.Horn
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to A Witch, a Mystic and a Feminist.
Today, christy and I are joinedby special guest Kate Van Horn.
Kate is a psychic intuitivetarot reader mentor and has
recently added published authorto her resume with the release
of her new book Inner Tarot.
Kate also teaches tarot throughmentorship, as well as on
TikTok, in which I've beenfollowing her since, I believe,
(00:32):
about 2020.
Kate, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We are super excited to have you.
I have your book, Inner Tarot.
One of the things is, Iremember when we were working
together and I want to say itwas about two years ago and that
was when you first announcedthat you were writing your book.
And so here it is, how exciting.
So I'm really excited to beable to-.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You were in it for the long run and I appreciate it
.
Sorry, go ahead.
I was just going to ask did ittake you a full two years of
writing the book?
How long did it take?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, so what's interesting about it is like the
publishing process takes.
It's a bunch of little sprints,is what I call it, so it's a
marathon of mini sprints.
So I wrote the book in four anda half months, If you ask my,
which is not normal, it's it's.
I actually had a prettyexpedited process because they
told me my pub date and I waslike that it's going to take
that long.
(01:30):
So I submitted my book likealmost a year ago, and then the
whole process of printing andpreparing it and designing takes
that long.
So, um, yeah, no, I didn'treally write it for the full
time, thankfully, but also Ireally wrote it quickly, which
was a huge stress as well.
But it is what it is.
You know there's pros and consto each side.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, okay.
So I kind of want to dive intothe book a little bit, because
the inner tarot is not just abook that teaches about tarot.
You actually share yourexperiences of healing with your
sexual trauma, being assaulted,your PTSD, eating disorders,
and I know you've always beenvery candid when speaking to
(02:16):
clients and even on social mediaabout your experiences.
But how was it for you toactually put it down on paper
and be so vulnerable to like putit out for everyone?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It was both.
It was super healing, it'sincredibly vulnerable, but it
was also really nice because Icould choose my words and I
could be really delicate andspecific and I was able to make
it not feel more beautiful, butI was able to embellish more in
a way that made me more proud toshare it compared to the
conversations I've had withclients and so on, and that
(02:51):
rawness and that in the moment,sharing is super powerful as
well.
But I think, to have a chance tosay it exactly how I wanted to
say it was really helpful and itdid feel like closure in many
ways.
That said, when I think aboutthe fact that my story,
especially as it relates to thechildhood sexual abuse, is
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literally on shelves and in theworld, it's terrifying, it's
very strange, it's very weird.
It's hard to really put intowords the scope of the fact that
anyone, any stranger, can nowread that about me.
But I've also received so manygreat messages from women and
others who relate sadly and arelike thank you for saying that,
(03:33):
because I mean, I didn't speakup about my trauma until I was
like 17 years old.
So for all that time as a childI was like holding and
harboring something in my throatand not speaking my truth and I
hope it just offers permissionreally Well.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I love that you added that to this book because,
again, like I said, it's notjust a book that teaches tarot.
And, by the way, I love alwayshow you explain the cards and
your interpretation of the cards.
It's just beautiful and I thinkeverybody should follow you and
read this book and work withyou.
(04:10):
Yes, you know the fact thatyour stories are in here too,
you know.
I just I find that it's justvery beautiful and very soft.
You know it's not, and that'salso the way that you teach the
cards and the interpretationsthat you have in here, but also
on TikTok not, and that's alsothe way that you teach the cards
and the interpretations thatyou have in here, but also on
TikTok.
And that's how I first met well, was introduced to you
(04:32):
basically was I found you onTikTok and tarot for me was very
similar to your story and thatI used it as a healing guide
first.
When did you really start withtarot and your healing journey?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So I started, like I found my first deck of cards I
guess it was like 10 years agonow, a little over and I just
was like obsessed with them verylike.
Early on I just thought theywere really interesting, I
thought they were, I wasintrigued and it was definitely
a personal practice at first.
It wasn't anything I expectedto create a career around, and
(05:11):
I'm so grateful I did.
But I think I would still loveand appreciate tarot, like even
if it had remained a personalpractice forever.
It would have still been a partof my life.
So for me, I found them as agreat extension of my creativity
too.
I feel like I was, I've alwaysidentified as creative, but I
never was like an artist.
You know, I didn't see myselfas that.
So the tarot was this like pieceof art in front of me that let
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me express myself or explore myintuition and my, my connection,
in new ways, and that was areally fun and playful
experience.
It was honestly like exactlywhat my inner child was looking
for was a tool to kind of justlike.
Let's see how this goes.
And I think too, for me thetarot having both shadow and
light was really important Atthe time when I found tarot and
(05:55):
like beginning of my if we dareto call it spiritual awakening,
I was very jaded.
I was really angry and I wasnot really going to deal with
the love and light stuff.
Like it just felt contrived tome and I would roll my eyes at
it.
I'm a Jersey girl at heart.
I just was like I don't know,this isn't my cup of tea.
(06:16):
But Tarot had enough of therealistic and the harder cards
that I was like, oh okay, like Ican get behind this because
we're representing all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Right.
And I really enjoyed that Likethe nine of swords, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm like yes, that is how I feel Correct, so it was
validating.
In that way I was able to trustmyself more because I didn't
feel like I was closing off anyparts of myself with the tarot
deck.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's awesome.
And then in here you also havesome of your channel writing
with each description of thecard, and I know I got to work
with you and we did a lot ofchannel writing, which I still
do.
I still use a lot of thepractices that you taught me.
But adding the channel writingto that, I mean really a lot of
(07:04):
what we worked on together is alot of what we worked on
together, is a lot of what's inhere, which is super beautiful,
but the channel writing for eachone of these cards.
Can you go into that a littlebit and explain to our audience?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
So what I did was I paired apiece of personal poetry with
each of the 78 cards because Ireally wanted.
So the thing about tarot thatI've always loved but also kind
of resisted was how much historythere really is.
It dates back to the 15thcentury.
So you look at some of thesecards, especially the
traditional decks, and it looksnothing like our lives right now
.
That is not how we show up inour worlds.
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I am not wearing a suit ofarmor and I'm not on a throne.
Yet I wanted the readers of theinner tarot to recognize that
there's these moments and thesepockets and these memories in
our life that really embody thecards and the archetypes, and we
can look back and say that wasa three of cups moment.
So what I did was I wentthrough all of my journals, both
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of personal poetry as well aschanneled writing for clients,
and when I found something thatjust kind of resonated as
potential card study, I pulledit out and I reworked it a
little bit to kind of teach thecard as well.
So at the beginning of each ofthe descriptions is that little
blurb of storytelling whichhopefully encourages people to
do that on their own too.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, it's lovely, you know, and my child, who
actually gave me my first tarotdeck, I actually, you know, was
not into it.
I very analytical and didn'tknow anything about tarot,
except, you know, it was eviland whatever everybody else said
, you know right.
And my kid had a few tarotdecks in their room and gave me
(08:48):
one of the decks, and so youknow just-.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's so kind.
I love that yes.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And so they have not really worked with tarot much
over the last few years.
And so just recently came to meand said Mom, I'm going to take
one of the tarot decks, can yougive me a book to help me,
because you know we want to dosome readings over at my
friend's, said Mom, I'm going totake one of the tarot decks,
can you give me a book to helpme, because we want to do some
readings over at my friend'shouse, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, yeah,absolutely Take this book.
And they were like, oh well, Ijust want one that is going to
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straight up, tell me the cards.
And then they opened up thebook and said I'm just kidding,
I want this book.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, you want the real deal.
I love that.
I really appreciate that youshared and I love that they were
called back to the tarot, youknow, because it comes and goes
in seasons.
I'll admit even, and mind you,part of it is because I just
launched the book, so it's likeall I've been talking about,
it's like the last thing I wantto think about is tarot.
But currently, right now, I'min a season of like kind of
exploring my writing again andjust seeing other ways to
connect with my intuition.
(09:53):
So I love that they knew whenit was time to revisit it and
that you had a resource.
I really appreciate you sharingit.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I mean, I have a number of tarot books, but this
definitely is my favorite.
And, christy, I know that we'vediscussed this previously that
tarot is just not something thatyou've learned.
It's been difficult to learn,kind of thing.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And I wanted to say so.
Starting reading your book, Iwas like, oh, I don't know if I
can get into this Right Cause,like I, I like I've had so many
other tarot books that I'm like,okay, well, this tells me what
the card is.
And I'm like, okay, well, maybeI just need someone to show me,
like, maybe you know.
And so I just kind of was like,oh, I don't know.
And then you know, the way thatyou, I have to say it is the
(10:40):
most helpful tarot book, becausethe way that you describe
things and how you pair it, likethe stories and the blurbs, and
I love how you yeah, they'revery historical and, like you
just mentioned, we're notwearing crowns, we're not
wearing hats, we don't have allthese swords in our lives.
I mean, just anything about thecards is very historic, and so
(11:04):
I loved that background.
And then I did just love howyou paired everything and how
you broke everything down.
It was just so it was easy tofollow and easy to really like
take in and comprehend in a waythat wasn't abstract.
It was just you know.
So that was very helpful to meand I and I did get into it.
So that was very.
That was a pleasant surprise,Cause I was like I just don't
know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's a system and you know like we don't always want
to learn a new system.
That's how I feel honestlyabout like astrology, human
design.
I so respect it.
I'm like this is so incredible.
But I go to a reader and I say,just tell me what I need to
know, cause, like, when I try toread about it, I can't like get
there.
And I think it's because Taraworked for me and I was able to
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to really find a way that toteach it as well.
And it's funny because part oneI'm really proud of part one,
even though part two, I feellike, has my heart and soul and
my story in the book.
Part one is what I believe islike a truly accessible way to
learn the cards, and so thankyou, christy, for validating
that, because people have askedme on different podcasts and
things over the months thatleading up to pub date, how did
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you figure out how to conveythis message of the cards and
the structure of them so easily?
And I said a lot of trial anderror.
Like Marlena knows, I taught mycourses like 30, 40 times.
So every time I would go backand I would re-listen to it and
I'd be like that's kind ofconfusing, kate, the way you
said that and I would try torework the way I would teach it
and it was just repetition andlike finding a better way to
(12:28):
explain a very complex system.
Yeah, and that comes across,for sure Thanks.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Do you think that, because you also teach tarot on
TikTok, you have your shortvideos that will go over each
card or each suit or the courtcards?
Do you think that, in additionto your mentorships, that
teaching on TikTok really helpedyou with the writing of this
book and your interpretations,or teaching the interpretations
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of the cards?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I mean I struggle because I think in some
ways I think TikTok limitstarot a lot.
I think it's a very limitedlens, I think it's getting
better, but I think what workswell on the algorithms is not
necessarily the truestexpression of my tarot practice.
So that's been something I'vehad to like navigate a little
bit.
But yeah, again, likerepetition, seeing what
resonates with people, seeinghow people respond to certain
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things, certain archetypes,certain cards I think I'm always
able to tell what card I needmore work on, like myself, by
the questions I receive.
I'm like, okay, I guess I'mmissing something there.
Interesting, and it's just, it'ssuch a humbling reminder that
you don't master the cards youcan't and you shouldn't try to
Like when someone else teachessomething or I find a video, I'm
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like that's really cool.
Never saw it that way.
So it's, it's all aboutperspective and I think what's
limiting sometimes about contentonline compared to a book is
that it really, you know, limitsthe, the ability to see this
archetype as something socomplex and diverse, and it just
makes it very one-dimensional.
So as long as you combine both,as long as you're doing some
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TikTok scrolling and a littlebit of reading and your own
practice, I think you're goingto have the best experience.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I also love how you say in your book that
sometimes you're just not goingto get it right.
And that's okay, because we allknow I'm a perfectionist and I
always have to get things right.
And with tarot that has alwaysbeen that imposter syndrome for
me in I'm not going to be ableto get this right.
(14:30):
And so actually just recentlyI'm going to a work retreat next
weekend or next week and mydirector asked me to bring my
tarot cards so that I could readfor my peers.
That's so intimidating I amfreaked out.
I'm like, okay, I'm going tobring the book and you know also
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, just say what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Go with my intuition and you know, sometimes what
doesn't make sense to me makessense to them, which is
validating, and you know that'ssomething that I know also that
it can like come later, right,meaning like it could receive
the message in that moment withyou, and they're like huh.
And then two days, two weekslater, it's like oh, there it is
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.
Yeah, that's what makes sense,you know, and just trusting that
they'll find that too.
Yeah, oh, there it is.
That's what makes them, youknow, and just trusting that
they'll find that too.
But that's so fun and I'mreally excited for you.
The blending of, like work lifeand your spiritual, you know
stuff, your woo-woo worldscolliding.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, it's actually very nerve wracking for me
because, like I don't post mylast name in association with
this podcast because of mycorporate job, you know I have
clients that they'll thinkwhatever they think, but you
know my corporate job pays mybills.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So we got to respect that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But the one thing that I do try and be at work is
authentic, and so you know thereare people that know about my
spiritual woo-woo part of myworld.
But yeah, so to really actuallybring the two together, I'm
excited and nervous.
Yeah, You'll have to message meafter.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I definitely will Email me, text me, whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Let me know, but one of the things you always said
was don't be afraid to have yourguides with you, and what I
mean by guides like physicalbooks and whatnot, and it's okay
to still flip through the bookand that sometimes, even later
into your practice, you wouldstill flip through the book and
be like did I read thiscorrectly?
Do I understand this cardcorrectly?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I used my book for different guidebooks for at
least a year or two into reading, even just having it, even if I
didn't open it, and still beclose by in case, because the
thing is like nothing's byaccident with tarot.
So the cards you choose aremeaningful and you're the one
that chose them.
So whether you read from thebook or you read intuitively off
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of memory and it doesn't matterLike you pulled the cards the
energy's there.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So, it really is an impactful reading, no matter
what, so, in writing the book,what was your favorite section
that you wrote?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh, that's so fun.
You know what I actually reallyenjoyed writing the sword suit,
I think because I know how muchpeople fear it.
So it was fun to like go thereand be honest and like really
transparent about like whatthese cards really mean but also
offer a different lens and adifferent viewpoint on them, and
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I felt like the channeledwriting was like really intense
and I felt like the cardmeanings themselves were just
fun to write because of how muchwe like associate them with
certain feelings and certainanxieties and certain fears.
So tackling that wasinteresting.
My least favorite, you know,was the cups, for kind of the
same reason I feel like we areso obsessed with this like
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flowery, loving language withthe cups and I I was like, oh my
God, I was sick of like sayingthe same words healing, healing
over and over again.
So yeah, it was fun to bechallenged.
I liked the chapters thatchallenged me and that one in
particular was I also I love thepentacle suit.
The earth element to me is justsomething I really resonate
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with.
So I enjoyed it.
But it was funny.
I got feedback from, like myfiance read this book no joke
probably 10 times through.
Yeah, god bless him.
And um, then I had like a Iwould I would consider a writing
partner.
She was a friend of mine who'san editor and I would send her
things like because my timelinewas very short.
Um, most, most people get 12months to write a book, ish
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eight to 12.
And I took four Um by my owndoing.
I asked, and again, if you askmy fiance, he goes.
She wrote it in two monthsbecause I procrastinated.
Um.
So anyway, long story short, Iwas sending this to people.
I was like, come on, help meedit in real time.
So I would write in the morningand then I would edit at night.
And people were often saying,like the Pentacles is kind of
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boring, it's compared to theother ones, like I don't know.
And I finally had to, like,stand up for myself and say it's
supposed to Right.
The pentacle suit is actuallyvery just like nurturing, even
keeled, simple.
So even that, like thosemoments where I was like should
I change it Right?
And then I said, no, it'sexactly what it's supposed to be
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.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, and exactly, it's the earth element, it's a
physical here and now, yeah,yeah.
But I also love how youdescribe the major arcana and
the minor arcana, in that themajor arcana is more universal
and whereas the minor is the dayto day.
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You know, or how you deal withthe major arcana.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, it's how we kind of work with it, how we sit
with it, what to do with it.
Yeah, and the major cards werealso kind of a challenge in a
way, because some of them I'mstill learning myself.
I mean, there's such richsymbolism and there's so many
things, and even that I feellike you could write a book the
same size as the full book ofthe inner tarot just on the
major arcana.
So like I was pulling back a lotwith that chapter in particular
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to have it match the others, soit was a little bit of a dance
all around, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do you find with your life experience and as you
continue to grow and in yourlife, that sometimes the card
meanings to you change a littlebit?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
They do.
Yeah, I think that, like itstarted, you know, certain ones
were just very like by the bookfor me and that's what worked
and then I'll have you know whenI see it.
The most actually is in clientsessions and client readings,
because I'm kind of pulled outof my own experience and I get
this perspective of how they areshowing up with these cards and
how it's playing out in realtime and I feel like that has
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made me the best reader is like,or the best reader like I can
be.
Um, not the best reader overall, um, just just to clarify um,
the best reader I can personallybe is through the lens of like
their stories.
So, yes, I noticed like adeepening and a and a evolvement
of the cards, but it's usuallynot from my personal polls, it's
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more from my client polls.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, and then when it comes to your personal polls,
because you discussed this inyour book as well it's difficult
to read, you know, for anybodyto read for themselves, because
we have our own biases of youknow what we want, and I know
I'm the type of person that has,in the past and maybe present,
all pull cards and I'm like thisis not what I want to hear, and
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so I reshuffle.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Or.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I get the cards and I'm like I don't know what this
is saying, but I can get thesame exact cards for somebody
else, that I'm reading and Iknow exactly what it's trying to
say, what they're trying to say.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, it's just, it's because it's really hard for us
to take our own advice and like, and that's it Like, and I
think I think being patient withyourself too, like for me, when
I noticed myself kind ofpulling more cards or trying to
escape a message, I just take abreak and then I come back and I
say, okay, one card only.
What I get is what I get, andeven if it means I need to sit
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with it for a few days and itwon't make sense right away, I
let it be, I let it lie.
But yeah, I think, gettingreadings from even friends, like
sometimes I'll just have aclose girlfriend of mine who I
know pulls cards I act likethere's one.
There's a lot of friends in mylife who pull cards.
I just text someone and I'mlike, hey, could you throw me a
card real fast, and it'sactually really nice because I
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get to get that mirror fromsomeone else and even if I
interpret it for myself, itimmediately checks me because I
didn't physically pull it.
So, yeah, I think, just findingways to work with it and deal
with the fact that you're goingto not really know, you're going
to be most blind to your ownstory and your own perspective.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
God, I love this book so much.
I really do.
I love it.
I love how vulnerable you were.
I love your messages in hereand, like I said, I've worked
with you in the past and youknow it's just to see this come
to fruition is just absolutelybeautiful.
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I'm so proud of you and sohappy for you.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Thank you.
That makes me so happy and Iwant to echo back and mirror
back how like excited I am foryou guys.
I've watched the podcast onTikTok.
I've seen it and I'm like superproud of you because you
probably launched this.
The three of you put ittogether when, like a couple of
years ago, yeah, so September2021 was when we launched our
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first episode, which was it'sbold, it's brave.
Put yourself out there.
It's scary, it was very scary,it's a lot, it was a lot and
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Thank you.
But you know I of course stillfollow you on TikTok and you
know I send my messages to youall the time and stuff like that
.
But you know you're alsotalking about feng shui.
You've been working with thatand then most recently you were
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posting numerology of your home,the home address, and so if you
can go into that a little bittoo, first feng shui what got
you interested in feng shui?
Into it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, so I have always, as an empath and I'm
sure you two can relate I'vealways been sensitive to spaces.
So when I walk into a space Ican kind of read the energy of
it and like what's going onthere or what's.
And I've also always beenreally inspired by homes that
feel like an extension ofsomeone's personality.
So when I walk in and I'm likeI can feel you, I can feel your
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essence, like it's fun, even ifit's not my style necessarily of
decor, it's just reallyinteresting to see how people
express themselves that way.
It's just like our fashionchoices and anything else.
So I started to want to studyfeng shui and I took a course.
I got certified in feng shui bymy teacher, tisha Morris.
She has fantastic books thatreally she's also an energy
(24:58):
healer, so she does do abeautiful job of like
complimenting feng shui withenergy reading and healing.
And now I'm kind of marketingit more as like sacred space and
psychic reading of the home.
Because I have to say feng shuiby the books, by the textbook,
is a little limiting in ourmodern day lives, especially
those of us that live inapartments or condos or, like
(25:21):
you know, it's studio apartments.
It's just it's not the easiestthing to apply when you're
taking it very specifically andliterally, but it's really
inspired me now to read clients'homes, so I'll ask for, like
the message and the lesson, or Ireally believe that, like how
someone's showing up in theirhome, how they're treating their
home, where we have our clutter, it speaks volumes about how
(25:44):
we're treating ourselves and howwe're kind of caring for our
own energy.
So I've been saying it's like anextension of our aura.
So it's been a fun thing tolike, dabble in and try to play
with.
And, as far as the numerologygoes, your actual street address
can give you insight on, like,what the power of that home is.
And every number, whether it's,you know, a one home or an
(26:05):
eight home, has some gifts andshadows, so to speak.
So it's just fun to see whatthe theme is going to be and
it's pretty accurate too.
I've gone back.
I've also lived in a shitloadof homes.
I've moved a lot Single momenergy, we're just popping
around, we were doing our thingand then I've noticed in myself
(26:26):
moving has always been a way forme to initiate change, even in
my adult years.
I've lived in so many differentapartments in LA and things
like that and I'm realizing Ithink it's because there's this
part of me that feels like thatmeans I'm progressing part of me
that feels like that means I'mprogressing, so that's been fun
to look at.
But I've looked back at all thehomes I've lived in and I'm like
(26:47):
, yep, that checks, yep, thatchecks.
As far as theme, I'm living inlike a six home right now.
It's a.
It's a creative home, so it's agreat home to to do creative
projects and I wrote my book soit works.
I'm in a six.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I am in a six.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
When are you going to write your book?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, we're getting there, not four and a half
months or two.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm currently in a nine house.
I came from a seven house, or aseven home, and that seven home
was the beginning of myspiritual awakening, or my
midlife awakening, my midlifecrisis, like you know that whole
.
But that's where my spiritualawakenings started.
And then I came to a nine home,which I haven't seen the video
(27:36):
for the nine yet.
So I'm like, I'm like.
So tell me, Kate, what is thenine?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I'll send you a couple.
I have a couple other ones toothat I did in the past.
But yeah, the nine home is likea really beautiful time of
closure and completion.
It's also a wonderful home tojust like heal within your
family and really give to yourfamily and be really invested in
, like your community overall,the souls that are going to kind
of feel your energy and essenceand presence.
So it's very much a giving backtype of energy.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, that checks because we, my family has healed
from my child sexual assaultfrom you know and then we
created this podcast, and so nowI'm going back to my seven home
.
So when I left that home, therewas a lot of turmoil that was
(28:30):
going on which triggered myawakening, basically.
And so, going back, I'm notscared, I'm actually, and after
hearing your explanation of aseven home and it being, yeah,
there's dense energy, but thisis a spiritual home, I'm
(28:50):
actually really excited now tobe able to go back because I
have more of an idea of you knowone what to expect, that I know
it's not going to be easy, butsometimes those tower moments
are necessary to shake up thefoundation.
So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, it's good.
It's good to know what you'reheading back into and it's good
to feel like we always have freewill and we can work with.
Like you said, work with theenergy, anticipate, prepare, get
our tools ready for that andhold ourselves more accountable.
You know, when we know what'son the way which I think too
like has a lot to do with why welike readings you know, terror
(29:32):
readings, psychic readings,astrology it's because we just
want to plan, we want to setourselves up for success, and
it's not just because we want tocontrol everything.
It's also because we want totake advantage of each chapter
and really receive from it asmuch as we can.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I love that.
So, kate, what is next for you?
Oh gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, I'm getting married next month.
I'm like, yeah, maybe worryabout my personal life.
The cat recording me is like,ah, should I have something like
work like that?
You know, that's kind of a bigfocus right now, for sure.
But beyond that, I am excitedto see.
I'm really um, honestlyinspired by all the events and
(30:11):
like retreats that I've donerecently.
I'm missing in-personconnection.
So I'm definitely kind ofplanning the next calendar year
of some like experiences wherewe can gather and and really
connect closely.
I am kind of working throughsome mentorship right now.
So for anyone listening who'sinterested in intuitive
mentorship, psychic connectionor intuitive business coaching,
(30:33):
those are areas that I work withpeople.
But bigger projects I mean Iwould love a tarot deck someday,
for sure.
So we'll see when that happens.
I will buy that too, I promise.
I so love it.
But, yeah, I'm waiting fordivine timing for that.
I know it's coming, I justdon't know when or how.
(30:53):
But I also felt that way aboutthe book and I feel like the
book is exactly what I wanted itto be, so knowing that it's
going to arrive when it's meantto.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, beautiful.
And lastly, plug yourself.
Give us all of your websites.
I mean, I have them and we'llput them in the show notes, but
please let everybody know how toget in contact with you and
follow you, and all the goodstuff.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, you can find my work at katevanhorncom or
katevanhorn, on Instagram andTikTok.
I also have theinnertarotcomwhere you can get more
information about the book,specifically, if you're
interested in reading it,ordering it wherever books are
sold, and I also have some freetarot practices on there too, so
like guided practices that youcan use with your cards and the
(31:41):
book.
But just here to answer anyquestions for anyone in your
community.
Well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yes, Thank you both.
Yeah, and thank you all forlistening to this episode of A
Witch, A Mystic and A Feminist.
Go buy Kate's book the InnerTarot and go look up our
episodes at wmfpodcom, and wewill see you next week.
You.
Welcome to A Witch, a Mystic and a Feminist.
Today, christy and I are joinedby special guest Kate Van Horn.
Kate is a psychic intuitivetarot reader mentor and has
recently added published authorto her resume with the release
of her new book Inner Tarot.
Kate also teaches tarot throughmentorship, as well as on
TikTok, in which I've beenfollowing her since, I believe,
(00:32):
about 2020.
Kate, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm super excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We are super excited to have you.
I have your book, Inner Tarot.
One of the things is, Iremember when we were working
together and I want to say itwas about two years ago and that
was when you first announcedthat you were writing your book.
And so here it is, how exciting.
So I'm really excited to beable to-.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You were in it for the long run and I appreciate it
.
Sorry, go ahead.
I was just going to ask did ittake you a full two years of
writing the book?
How long did it take?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
No, so what's interesting about it is like the
publishing process takes.
It's a bunch of little sprints,is what I call it, so it's a
marathon of mini sprints.
So I wrote the book in four anda half months, If you ask my,
which is not normal, it's it's.
I actually had a prettyexpedited process because they
told me my pub date and I waslike that it's going to take
that long.
(01:30):
So I submitted my book likealmost a year ago, and then the
whole process of printing andpreparing it and designing takes
that long.
So, um, yeah, no, I didn'treally write it for the full
time, thankfully, but also Ireally wrote it quickly, which
was a huge stress as well.
But it is what it is.
You know there's pros and consto each side.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, okay.
So I kind of want to dive intothe book a little bit, because
the inner tarot is not just abook that teaches about tarot.
You actually share yourexperiences of healing with your
sexual trauma, being assaulted,your PTSD, eating disorders,
and I know you've always beenvery candid when speaking to
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clients and even on social mediaabout your experiences.
But how was it for you toactually put it down on paper
and be so vulnerable to like putit out for everyone?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It was both.
It was super healing, it'sincredibly vulnerable, but it
was also really nice because Icould choose my words and I
could be really delicate andspecific and I was able to make
it not feel more beautiful, butI was able to embellish more in
a way that made me more proud toshare it compared to the
conversations I've had withclients and so on, and that
(02:51):
rawness and that in the moment,sharing is super powerful as
well.
But I think, to have a chance tosay it exactly how I wanted to
say it was really helpful and itdid feel like closure in many
ways.
That said, when I think aboutthe fact that my story,
especially as it relates to thechildhood sexual abuse, is
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literally on shelves and in theworld, it's terrifying, it's
very strange, it's very weird.
It's hard to really put intowords the scope of the fact that
anyone, any stranger, can nowread that about me.
But I've also received so manygreat messages from women and
others who relate sadly and arelike thank you for saying that,
(03:33):
because I mean, I didn't speakup about my trauma until I was
like 17 years old.
So for all that time as a childI was like holding and
harboring something in my throatand not speaking my truth and I
hope it just offers permissionreally Well.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I love that you added that to this book because,
again, like I said, it's notjust a book that teaches tarot.
And, by the way, I love alwayshow you explain the cards and
your interpretation of the cards.
It's just beautiful and I thinkeverybody should follow you and
read this book and work withyou.
(04:10):
Yes, you know the fact thatyour stories are in here too,
you know.
I just I find that it's justvery beautiful and very soft.
You know it's not, and that'salso the way that you teach the
cards and the interpretationsthat you have in here, but also
on TikTok not, and that's alsothe way that you teach the cards
and the interpretations thatyou have in here, but also on
TikTok.
And that's how I first met well, was introduced to you
(04:32):
basically was I found you onTikTok and tarot for me was very
similar to your story and thatI used it as a healing guide
first.
When did you really start withtarot and your healing journey?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So I started, like I found my first deck of cards I
guess it was like 10 years agonow, a little over and I just
was like obsessed with them verylike.
Early on I just thought theywere really interesting, I
thought they were, I wasintrigued and it was definitely
a personal practice at first.
It wasn't anything I expectedto create a career around, and
(05:11):
I'm so grateful I did.
But I think I would still loveand appreciate tarot, like even
if it had remained a personalpractice forever.
It would have still been a partof my life.
So for me, I found them as agreat extension of my creativity
too.
I feel like I was, I've alwaysidentified as creative, but I
never was like an artist.
You know, I didn't see myselfas that.
So the tarot was this like pieceof art in front of me that let
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me express myself or explore myintuition and my, my connection,
in new ways, and that was areally fun and playful
experience.
It was honestly like exactlywhat my inner child was looking
for was a tool to kind of justlike.
Let's see how this goes.
And I think too, for me thetarot having both shadow and
light was really important Atthe time when I found tarot and
(05:55):
like beginning of my if we dareto call it spiritual awakening,
I was very jaded.
I was really angry and I wasnot really going to deal with
the love and light stuff.
Like it just felt contrived tome and I would roll my eyes at
it.
I'm a Jersey girl at heart.
I just was like I don't know,this isn't my cup of tea.
(06:16):
But Tarot had enough of therealistic and the harder cards
that I was like, oh okay, like Ican get behind this because
we're representing all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Right.
And I really enjoyed that Likethe nine of swords, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm like yes, that is how I feel Correct, so it was
validating.
In that way I was able to trustmyself more because I didn't
feel like I was closing off anyparts of myself with the tarot
deck.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
That's awesome.
And then in here you also havesome of your channel writing
with each description of thecard, and I know I got to work
with you and we did a lot ofchannel writing, which I still
do.
I still use a lot of thepractices that you taught me.
But adding the channel writingto that, I mean really a lot of
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what we worked on together is alot of what we worked on
together, is a lot of what's inhere, which is super beautiful,
but the channel writing for eachone of these cards.
Can you go into that a littlebit and explain to our audience?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
So what I did was I paired apiece of personal poetry with
each of the 78 cards because Ireally wanted.
So the thing about tarot thatI've always loved but also kind
of resisted was how much historythere really is.
It dates back to the 15thcentury.
So you look at some of thesecards, especially the
traditional decks, and it looksnothing like our lives right now
.
That is not how we show up inour worlds.
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I am not wearing a suit ofarmor and I'm not on a throne.
Yet I wanted the readers of theinner tarot to recognize that
there's these moments and thesepockets and these memories in
our life that really embody thecards and the archetypes, and we
can look back and say that wasa three of cups moment.
So what I did was I wentthrough all of my journals, both
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of personal poetry as well aschanneled writing for clients,
and when I found something thatjust kind of resonated as
potential card study, I pulledit out and I reworked it a
little bit to kind of teach thecard as well.
So at the beginning of each ofthe descriptions is that little
blurb of storytelling whichhopefully encourages people to
do that on their own too.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, it's lovely, you know, and my child, who
actually gave me my first tarotdeck, I actually, you know, was
not into it.
I very analytical and didn'tknow anything about tarot,
except, you know, it was eviland whatever everybody else said
, you know right.
And my kid had a few tarotdecks in their room and gave me
(08:48):
one of the decks, and so youknow just-.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's so kind.
I love that yes.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And so they have not really worked with tarot much
over the last few years.
And so just recently came to meand said Mom, I'm going to take
one of the tarot decks, can yougive me a book to help me,
because you know we want to dosome readings over at my
friend's, said Mom, I'm going totake one of the tarot decks,
can you give me a book to helpme, because we want to do some
readings over at my friend'shouse, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, yeah,absolutely Take this book.
And they were like, oh well, Ijust want one that is going to
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straight up, tell me the cards.
And then they opened up thebook and said I'm just kidding,
I want this book.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, you want the real deal.
I love that.
I really appreciate that youshared and I love that they were
called back to the tarot, youknow, because it comes and goes
in seasons.
I'll admit even, and mind you,part of it is because I just
launched the book, so it's likeall I've been talking about,
it's like the last thing I wantto think about is tarot.
But currently, right now, I'min a season of like kind of
exploring my writing again andjust seeing other ways to
connect with my intuition.
(09:53):
So I love that they knew whenit was time to revisit it and
that you had a resource.
I really appreciate you sharingit.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I mean, I have a number of tarot books, but this
definitely is my favorite.
And, christy, I know that we'vediscussed this previously that
tarot is just not something thatyou've learned.
It's been difficult to learn,kind of thing.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
And I wanted to say so.
Starting reading your book, Iwas like, oh, I don't know if I
can get into this Right Cause,like I, I like I've had so many
other tarot books that I'm like,okay, well, this tells me what
the card is.
And I'm like, okay, well, maybeI just need someone to show me,
like, maybe you know.
And so I just kind of was like,oh, I don't know.
And then you know, the way thatyou, I have to say it is the
(10:40):
most helpful tarot book, becausethe way that you describe
things and how you pair it, likethe stories and the blurbs, and
I love how you yeah, they'revery historical and, like you
just mentioned, we're notwearing crowns, we're not
wearing hats, we don't have allthese swords in our lives.
I mean, just anything about thecards is very historic, and so
(11:04):
I loved that background.
And then I did just love howyou paired everything and how
you broke everything down.
It was just so it was easy tofollow and easy to really like
take in and comprehend in a waythat wasn't abstract.
It was just you know.
So that was very helpful to meand I and I did get into it.
So that was very.
That was a pleasant surprise,Cause I was like I just don't
know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's a system and you know like we don't always want
to learn a new system.
That's how I feel honestlyabout like astrology, human
design.
I so respect it.
I'm like this is so incredible.
But I go to a reader and I say,just tell me what I need to
know, cause, like, when I try toread about it, I can't like get
there.
And I think it's because Taraworked for me and I was able to
(11:44):
to really find a way that toteach it as well.
And it's funny because part oneI'm really proud of part one,
even though part two, I feellike, has my heart and soul and
my story in the book.
Part one is what I believe islike a truly accessible way to
learn the cards, and so thankyou, christy, for validating
that, because people have askedme on different podcasts and
things over the months thatleading up to pub date, how did
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you figure out how to conveythis message of the cards and
the structure of them so easily?
And I said a lot of trial anderror.
Like Marlena knows, I taught mycourses like 30, 40 times.
So every time I would go backand I would re-listen to it and
I'd be like that's kind ofconfusing, kate, the way you
said that and I would try torework the way I would teach it
and it was just repetition andlike finding a better way to
(12:28):
explain a very complex system.
Yeah, and that comes across,for sure Thanks.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Do you think that, because you also teach tarot on
TikTok, you have your shortvideos that will go over each
card or each suit or the courtcards?
Do you think that, in additionto your mentorships, that
teaching on TikTok really helpedyou with the writing of this
book and your interpretations,or teaching the interpretations
(12:56):
of the cards?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I mean I struggle because I think in some
ways I think TikTok limitstarot a lot.
I think it's a very limitedlens, I think it's getting
better, but I think what workswell on the algorithms is not
necessarily the truestexpression of my tarot practice.
So that's been something I'vehad to like navigate a little
bit.
But yeah, again, likerepetition, seeing what
resonates with people, seeinghow people respond to certain
(13:20):
things, certain archetypes,certain cards I think I'm always
able to tell what card I needmore work on, like myself, by
the questions I receive.
I'm like, okay, I guess I'mmissing something there.
Interesting, and it's just, it'ssuch a humbling reminder that
you don't master the cards youcan't and you shouldn't try to
Like when someone else teachessomething or I find a video, I'm
(13:41):
like that's really cool.
Never saw it that way.
So it's, it's all aboutperspective and I think what's
limiting sometimes about contentonline compared to a book is
that it really, you know, limitsthe, the ability to see this
archetype as something socomplex and diverse, and it just
makes it very one-dimensional.
So as long as you combine both,as long as you're doing some
(14:04):
TikTok scrolling and a littlebit of reading and your own
practice, I think you're goingto have the best experience.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I also love how you say in your book that
sometimes you're just not goingto get it right.
And that's okay, because we allknow I'm a perfectionist and I
always have to get things right.
And with tarot that has alwaysbeen that imposter syndrome for
me in I'm not going to be ableto get this right.
(14:30):
And so actually just recentlyI'm going to a work retreat next
weekend or next week and mydirector asked me to bring my
tarot cards so that I could readfor my peers.
That's so intimidating I amfreaked out.
I'm like, okay, I'm going tobring the book and you know also
(14:51):
, just say what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Go with my intuition and you know, sometimes what
doesn't make sense to me makessense to them, which is
validating, and you know that'ssomething that I know also that
it can like come later, right,meaning like it could receive
the message in that moment withyou, and they're like huh.
And then two days, two weekslater, it's like oh, there it is
(15:16):
.
Yeah, that's what makes sense,you know, and just trusting that
they'll find that too.
Yeah, oh, there it is.
That's what makes them, youknow, and just trusting that
they'll find that too.
But that's so fun and I'mreally excited for you.
The blending of, like work lifeand your spiritual, you know
stuff, your woo-woo worldscolliding.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, it's actually very nerve wracking for me
because, like I don't post mylast name in association with
this podcast because of mycorporate job, you know I have
clients that they'll thinkwhatever they think, but you
know my corporate job pays mybills.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So we got to respect that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But the one thing that I do try and be at work is
authentic, and so you know thereare people that know about my
spiritual woo-woo part of myworld.
But yeah, so to really actuallybring the two together, I'm
excited and nervous.
Yeah, You'll have to message meafter.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I definitely will Email me, text me, whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Let me know, but one of the things you always said
was don't be afraid to have yourguides with you, and what I
mean by guides like physicalbooks and whatnot, and it's okay
to still flip through the bookand that sometimes, even later
into your practice, you wouldstill flip through the book and
be like did I read thiscorrectly?
Do I understand this cardcorrectly?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I used my book for different guidebooks for at
least a year or two into reading, even just having it, even if I
didn't open it, and still beclose by in case, because the
thing is like nothing's byaccident with tarot.
So the cards you choose aremeaningful and you're the one
that chose them.
So whether you read from thebook or you read intuitively off
(16:57):
of memory and it doesn't matterLike you pulled the cards the
energy's there.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So, it really is an impactful reading, no matter
what, so, in writing the book,what was your favorite section
that you wrote?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Oh, that's so fun.
You know what I actually reallyenjoyed writing the sword suit,
I think because I know how muchpeople fear it.
So it was fun to like go thereand be honest and like really
transparent about like whatthese cards really mean but also
offer a different lens and adifferent viewpoint on them, and
(17:30):
I felt like the channeledwriting was like really intense
and I felt like the cardmeanings themselves were just
fun to write because of how muchwe like associate them with
certain feelings and certainanxieties and certain fears.
So tackling that wasinteresting.
My least favorite, you know,was the cups, for kind of the
same reason I feel like we areso obsessed with this like
(17:52):
flowery, loving language withthe cups and I I was like, oh my
God, I was sick of like sayingthe same words healing, healing
over and over again.
So yeah, it was fun to bechallenged.
I liked the chapters thatchallenged me and that one in
particular was I also I love thepentacle suit.
The earth element to me is justsomething I really resonate
(18:13):
with.
So I enjoyed it.
But it was funny.
I got feedback from, like myfiance read this book no joke
probably 10 times through.
Yeah, god bless him.
And um, then I had like a Iwould I would consider a writing
partner.
She was a friend of mine who'san editor and I would send her
things like because my timelinewas very short.
Um, most, most people get 12months to write a book, ish
(18:34):
eight to 12.
And I took four Um by my owndoing.
I asked, and again, if you askmy fiance, he goes.
She wrote it in two monthsbecause I procrastinated.
Um.
So anyway, long story short, Iwas sending this to people.
I was like, come on, help meedit in real time.
So I would write in the morningand then I would edit at night.
And people were often saying,like the Pentacles is kind of
(18:56):
boring, it's compared to theother ones, like I don't know.
And I finally had to, like,stand up for myself and say it's
supposed to Right.
The pentacle suit is actuallyvery just like nurturing, even
keeled, simple.
So even that, like thosemoments where I was like should
I change it Right?
And then I said, no, it'sexactly what it's supposed to be
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.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
No, and exactly, it's the earth element, it's a
physical here and now, yeah,yeah.
But I also love how youdescribe the major arcana and
the minor arcana, in that themajor arcana is more universal
and whereas the minor is the dayto day.
(19:37):
You know, or how you deal withthe major arcana.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, it's how we kind of work with it, how we sit
with it, what to do with it.
Yeah, and the major cards werealso kind of a challenge in a
way, because some of them I'mstill learning myself.
I mean, there's such richsymbolism and there's so many
things, and even that I feellike you could write a book the
same size as the full book ofthe inner tarot just on the
major arcana.
So like I was pulling back a lotwith that chapter in particular
(20:06):
to have it match the others, soit was a little bit of a dance
all around, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do you find with your life experience and as you
continue to grow and in yourlife, that sometimes the card
meanings to you change a littlebit?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
They do.
Yeah, I think that, like itstarted, you know, certain ones
were just very like by the bookfor me and that's what worked
and then I'll have you know whenI see it.
The most actually is in clientsessions and client readings,
because I'm kind of pulled outof my own experience and I get
this perspective of how they areshowing up with these cards and
how it's playing out in realtime and I feel like that has
(20:44):
made me the best reader is like,or the best reader like I can
be.
Um, not the best reader overall, um, just just to clarify um,
the best reader I can personallybe is through the lens of like
their stories.
So, yes, I noticed like adeepening and a and a evolvement
of the cards, but it's usuallynot from my personal polls, it's
(21:05):
more from my client polls.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, and then when it comes to your personal polls,
because you discussed this inyour book as well it's difficult
to read, you know, for anybodyto read for themselves, because
we have our own biases of youknow what we want, and I know
I'm the type of person that has,in the past and maybe present,
all pull cards and I'm like thisis not what I want to hear, and
(21:28):
so I reshuffle.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Or.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I get the cards and I'm like I don't know what this
is saying, but I can get thesame exact cards for somebody
else, that I'm reading and Iknow exactly what it's trying to
say, what they're trying to say.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, it's just, it's because it's really hard for us
to take our own advice and like, and that's it Like, and I
think I think being patient withyourself too, like for me, when
I noticed myself kind ofpulling more cards or trying to
escape a message, I just take abreak and then I come back and I
say, okay, one card only.
What I get is what I get, andeven if it means I need to sit
(22:07):
with it for a few days and itwon't make sense right away, I
let it be, I let it lie.
But yeah, I think, gettingreadings from even friends, like
sometimes I'll just have aclose girlfriend of mine who I
know pulls cards I act likethere's one.
There's a lot of friends in mylife who pull cards.
I just text someone and I'mlike, hey, could you throw me a
card real fast, and it'sactually really nice because I
(22:30):
get to get that mirror fromsomeone else and even if I
interpret it for myself, itimmediately checks me because I
didn't physically pull it.
So, yeah, I think, just findingways to work with it and deal
with the fact that you're goingto not really know, you're going
to be most blind to your ownstory and your own perspective.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
God, I love this book so much.
I really do.
I love it.
I love how vulnerable you were.
I love your messages in hereand, like I said, I've worked
with you in the past and youknow it's just to see this come
to fruition is just absolutelybeautiful.
(23:09):
I'm so proud of you and sohappy for you.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Thank you.
That makes me so happy and Iwant to echo back and mirror
back how like excited I am foryou guys.
I've watched the podcast onTikTok.
I've seen it and I'm like superproud of you because you
probably launched this.
The three of you put ittogether when, like a couple of
years ago, yeah, so September2021 was when we launched our
(23:34):
first episode, which was it'sbold, it's brave.
Put yourself out there.
It's scary, it was very scary,it's a lot, it was a lot and
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Thank you.
But you know I of course stillfollow you on TikTok and you
know I send my messages to youall the time and stuff like that
.
But you know you're alsotalking about feng shui.
You've been working with thatand then most recently you were
(24:05):
posting numerology of your home,the home address, and so if you
can go into that a little bittoo, first feng shui what got
you interested in feng shui?
Into it.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, so I have always, as an empath and I'm
sure you two can relate I'vealways been sensitive to spaces.
So when I walk into a space Ican kind of read the energy of
it and like what's going onthere or what's.
And I've also always beenreally inspired by homes that
feel like an extension ofsomeone's personality.
So when I walk in and I'm likeI can feel you, I can feel your
(24:37):
essence, like it's fun, even ifit's not my style necessarily of
decor, it's just reallyinteresting to see how people
express themselves that way.
It's just like our fashionchoices and anything else.
So I started to want to studyfeng shui and I took a course.
I got certified in feng shui bymy teacher, tisha Morris.
She has fantastic books thatreally she's also an energy
(24:58):
healer, so she does do abeautiful job of like
complimenting feng shui withenergy reading and healing.
And now I'm kind of marketingit more as like sacred space and
psychic reading of the home.
Because I have to say feng shuiby the books, by the textbook,
is a little limiting in ourmodern day lives, especially
those of us that live inapartments or condos or, like
(25:21):
you know, it's studio apartments.
It's just it's not the easiestthing to apply when you're
taking it very specifically andliterally, but it's really
inspired me now to read clients'homes, so I'll ask for, like
the message and the lesson, or Ireally believe that, like how
someone's showing up in theirhome, how they're treating their
home, where we have our clutter, it speaks volumes about how
(25:44):
we're treating ourselves and howwe're kind of caring for our
own energy.
So I've been saying it's like anextension of our aura.
So it's been a fun thing tolike, dabble in and try to play
with.
And, as far as the numerologygoes, your actual street address
can give you insight on, like,what the power of that home is.
And every number, whether it's,you know, a one home or an
(26:05):
eight home, has some gifts andshadows, so to speak.
So it's just fun to see whatthe theme is going to be and
it's pretty accurate too.
I've gone back.
I've also lived in a shitloadof homes.
I've moved a lot Single momenergy, we're just popping
around, we were doing our thingand then I've noticed in myself
(26:26):
moving has always been a way forme to initiate change, even in
my adult years.
I've lived in so many differentapartments in LA and things
like that and I'm realizing Ithink it's because there's this
part of me that feels like thatmeans I'm progressing part of me
that feels like that means I'mprogressing, so that's been fun
to look at.
But I've looked back at all thehomes I've lived in and I'm like
(26:47):
, yep, that checks, yep, thatchecks.
As far as theme, I'm living inlike a six home right now.
It's a.
It's a creative home, so it's agreat home to to do creative
projects and I wrote my book soit works.
I'm in a six.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I am in a six.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
When are you going to write your book?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, we're getting there, not four and a half
months or two.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'm currently in a nine house.
I came from a seven house, or aseven home, and that seven home
was the beginning of myspiritual awakening, or my
midlife awakening, my midlifecrisis, like you know that whole
.
But that's where my spiritualawakenings started.
And then I came to a nine home,which I haven't seen the video
(27:36):
for the nine yet.
So I'm like, I'm like.
So tell me, Kate, what is thenine?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I'll send you a couple.
I have a couple other ones toothat I did in the past.
But yeah, the nine home is likea really beautiful time of
closure and completion.
It's also a wonderful home tojust like heal within your
family and really give to yourfamily and be really invested in
, like your community overall,the souls that are going to kind
of feel your energy and essenceand presence.
So it's very much a giving backtype of energy.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, that checks because we, my family has healed
from my child sexual assaultfrom you know and then we
created this podcast, and so nowI'm going back to my seven home
.
So when I left that home, therewas a lot of turmoil that was
(28:30):
going on which triggered myawakening, basically.
And so, going back, I'm notscared, I'm actually, and after
hearing your explanation of aseven home and it being, yeah,
there's dense energy, but thisis a spiritual home, I'm
(28:50):
actually really excited now tobe able to go back because I
have more of an idea of you knowone what to expect, that I know
it's not going to be easy, butsometimes those tower moments
are necessary to shake up thefoundation.
So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, it's good.
It's good to know what you'reheading back into and it's good
to feel like we always have freewill and we can work with.
Like you said, work with theenergy, anticipate, prepare, get
our tools ready for that andhold ourselves more accountable.
You know, when we know what'son the way which I think too
like has a lot to do with why welike readings you know, terror
(29:32):
readings, psychic readings,astrology it's because we just
want to plan, we want to setourselves up for success, and
it's not just because we want tocontrol everything.
It's also because we want totake advantage of each chapter
and really receive from it asmuch as we can.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I love that.
So, kate, what is next for you?
Oh gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, I'm getting married next month.
I'm like, yeah, maybe worryabout my personal life.
The cat recording me is like,ah, should I have something like
work like that?
You know, that's kind of a bigfocus right now, for sure.
But beyond that, I am excitedto see.
I'm really um, honestlyinspired by all the events and
(30:11):
like retreats that I've donerecently.
I'm missing in-personconnection.
So I'm definitely kind ofplanning the next calendar year
of some like experiences wherewe can gather and and really
connect closely.
I am kind of working throughsome mentorship right now.
So for anyone listening who'sinterested in intuitive
mentorship, psychic connectionor intuitive business coaching,
(30:33):
those are areas that I work withpeople.
But bigger projects I mean Iwould love a tarot deck someday,
for sure.
So we'll see when that happens.
I will buy that too, I promise.
I so love it.
But, yeah, I'm waiting fordivine timing for that.
I know it's coming, I justdon't know when or how.
(30:53):
But I also felt that way aboutthe book and I feel like the
book is exactly what I wanted itto be, so knowing that it's
going to arrive when it's meantto.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, beautiful.
And lastly, plug yourself.
Give us all of your websites.
I mean, I have them and we'llput them in the show notes, but
please let everybody know how toget in contact with you and
follow you, and all the goodstuff.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, you can find my work at katevanhorncom or
katevanhorn, on Instagram andTikTok.
I also have theinnertarotcomwhere you can get more
information about the book,specifically, if you're
interested in reading it,ordering it wherever books are
sold, and I also have some freetarot practices on there too, so
like guided practices that youcan use with your cards and the
(31:41):
book.
But just here to answer anyquestions for anyone in your
community.
Well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yes, Thank you both.
Yeah, and thank you all forlistening to this episode of A
Witch, A Mystic and A Feminist.
Go buy Kate's book the InnerTarot and go look up our
episodes at wmfpodcom, and wewill see you next week.
You.
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