January 22, 2025 • 57 mins
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Wes (00:00):
The visit line like tuned up and shit and they got to put
these little brackets and stuffon your teeth.
Well, you know, you familiarwith it.
DeLaw (00:07):
Your wife had a visit line right, yeah, she got a
visit line.
Wes (00:10):
So, long story short, they was like oh, you're missing one
of the things.
You're going to have to putanother one on one of your teeth
, the back tooth, or whatever.
I'm like all right, cool, cool,cool, cool.
So, like man, it's like thefourth one that I didn't bit off
or whatever, or somethinghappened and I didn't know what
happened.
So I'm like look, and it's theassistant right there in the
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orthodontist right there.
I said, obviously I've beenswallowing these, is this safe?
And they bust out laughing.
I'm like no, I'm serious.
I don't know where it wentBecause I didn't see it come out
of my food.
About food, I must haveswallowed it all.
Is this saying?
He tells me, he tells me.
Well, I would think that youknow some of the chemicals and
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stuff that we work with forsafety use in the mouth.
So I think you should be goodthat you swallowed it up tonight
.
I'm like that's not reassuringeverybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof the according to west
podcast.
As always, we got d law hereyou have.
D-Law, the coach, coach D-Lawfull of emotions, about to go
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coach a game.
DeLaw (01:13):
We don't know what type of advice he's going to give
look, you know what advice I'mgoing to give keep your hands up
definitely keep your hands up.
Wes (01:24):
We need the game to exhibit more defense, Professionally,
non-professionally, amateur.
We need more defense.
That's what's going to keep mewatching.
DeLaw (01:38):
Yeah, no, we definitely need more defense.
And it was funny like watchingthe.
Uh, the kids like kind of playaround whatever they play like
just like on tv.
Yeah, yeah, one kid he gave melike in practice last week and
I'm like he fell on the floor.
I'm like why the fuck he fallon the floor?
(01:59):
For he gave like a euro step tothe rim after he.
He put it up, he falls on theground.
I'm like what the hell are youdoing?
No one touched you.
Wes (02:07):
No one touched you.
DeLaw (02:08):
No one touched you.
Why are you?
Why are you falling on theground?
You?
Wes (02:14):
know what that means when I was younger, when I would make
like a play while I'm inpractice and I'll move or
something like that.
My body can't understand that.
I just actually did it because,you know, if you don't do it
all the time you like, it's likeyour body just forgets like how
to walk or some shit like thatwent in that I made that.
Yeah, like that's probably whatthat was I mean the muscle
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memory wasn't there for thatparticular move.
That's what I'm trying to say.
It's possible.
DeLaw (02:43):
I'm not going to say that I ain't falling on the ground
from doing a layup, but itwasn't.
No, I do a Euro step and I puta shot up and I'm just clumsy
enough to fall over.
Nah, I ain't doing that, I'm onmy feet.
You know what I'm saying?
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These young kids.
And then I don't know if it'sme or maybe I just got too high
of expectations because I'vecoached middle school basketball
before and it's like there's noway that y'all guys are this
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bad.
Wes (03:26):
Don't do that it is.
DeLaw (03:28):
I'm not going to say they're not bad.
We got a couple players thatcan ball and when it comes down
to it and I was watching thempractice on Friday these
motherfuckers, they don't evenwant to shoot the ball, they
want to get the ball to thatnigga.
Like alright, you going me,come on, let's pretend they
don't even want to shoot theball.
They want to get the ball tothat nigga.
Like, all right, you're goingto make it.
Like, come on, like, let'spretend that we all can score
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here.
You know what I'm saying.
Let's pretend that we all canscore and let's score.
Like it can't be just everytime we got a fast break that
you look around for that one guywho you trust to make the shot.
Like no, we can't do that, wegotta score.
Everybody's gonna have to putthe ball up, you know.
Wes (04:13):
But yeah, I don't want to get myself fired before we get
started.
DeLaw (04:23):
Our first game was supposed to be yesterday at
Greenbelt Middle against Laurel,but because of the non-existent
snow that hit yesterday, theycanceled it.
Wes (04:38):
Shout out to I ain't about to get into that man Shout out
to the government.
I'm just going to say shout outto the government.
Shout out to y'all In allaspects, local and federal.
Shout out to y'all yeah,because it's state.
Shout out to y'all, local,state and federal.
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Shout out to y'all.
Listen me, and you both can'tafford to be talking kind of
crazy.
Yo, I have a buddy that worksfor local government.
I ain't going to say what he do, but I get in the middle of
that shit.
I call him.
He's like yo, on behalf of thecounty, I just want to apologize
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.
I said nigga, like before Icould even say anything, he
wanted to apologize to me.
What the fuck going on in the,in the community?
DeLaw (05:30):
I'm just like he was apologizing before shit even
went down before I even saidanything.
Wes (05:34):
This was just like our formal call.
I'm like yo, how you family,that's how crazy, that's how
crazy.
But I, I ain't, uh, I ain'tgetting into that shit, but I
ain't introducing myself.
It's me, wes, as always.
So we got Wes.
DeLaw (05:54):
Yeah, we got you too.
Hey, man, look, it's a Cordenand Wes podcast.
It ain't Corden and D-Law Wes,it's just Corden and Wes.
Wes (06:03):
But that's the lesson.
I give you the privilege togive your own ring announcer.
You know situation going onthere.
I'm the one that come in blandand you got me West.
DeLaw (06:17):
Hey man, look, I told you I treat this like a WWE
personality, you know, you knowyou got to have a moniker that
comes with you, shit.
Wes (06:27):
The.
DeLaw (06:28):
Lord of the Devils, son-in-law, it just hit
different, especially when wetalk about the fuckery.
Wes (06:33):
It do.
It's a crazy thing.
I was at the dentist it wasThursday and you know, like,
have you ever been in socialsituations where you be dead
serious but people just likelaughing and thinking you joking
and shit like that?
And I'm like I'm not fucking,I'm not joking.
This is, this is me a hundred,this is me a hundred percent,
because I was mad you forgotthat I'm married yeah, it's true
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.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was uh.
DeLaw (06:57):
Every time I talk it's like I'm being serious and like,
oh yeah, I know you're, I talk.
It's like I'm being serious andlike, oh yeah, I know you're
being serious, but it's not thatserious babe.
Like you're making this seriousmore than I'm.
Wes (07:09):
like, all right, you're right, my wife does the same
shit to me.
Just laughing.
I'd be like, nah, I'm deadserious about what I'm saying.
There's no, there's no, I'msaying this to make you laugh.
I am dead serious, like I was.
I was getting a visit line liketuned up and shit, and they got
to put these little bracketsand stuff on your teeth.
Well, you know, you familiarwith your wife had a visit line
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right, yeah, she got, she got avisit line so long story short.
They was like oh, you're missingone of the things, you're gonna
have to put another one on oneof your two, uh, the back two,
for whatever.
I'm like all right, cool, cool,cool cool.
I'm thinking I'm like man, it'slike the fourth one that I
didn't bid off or whatever, orsomething happened and I didn't
know what happened.
So I'm like look and it's the,the assistant right there in the
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other, donald or death sayobviously I've been swallowing
these bitches.
What is this safe?
And they bust out laughing.
I'm like no, I'm serious, I Idon't know where it went,
because I didn't see it come outof my food.
I must have swallowed it, hetells me.
He tells me well, I would thinkthat you know some of the
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chemicals and stuff that we workwith are safe to use in the
mouth.
So I think you should be goodif you swallowed it.
I'm like that's not reassuring.
I was like come on man.
DeLaw (08:21):
Of course it's not reassuring because you think you
done swallowed it.
Wes (08:26):
No, I know I did.
I don't know where it went.
Like, this is like the thirdthing.
I don't know where it went.
I'm like damn eating, I can'teat chips.
Like I'm a.
What I noticed about me?
Right, I am a very I'm not amessy eater, but I don't take my
time of time, so food is goingevery which way.
It ain't staying right on theleft side, on the right side,
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I'm just like fuck, I'm hungry.
It has to get devoured.
Hungry, hungry, hungry, hungry,hungry.
So that's why braces when I hadbraces when I was younger, that
shit just didn't work well,because it was like oh, cut your
food, do this.
I was always breaking a pieceof metal or some shit like that.
I'm like hang on, time for thatshit.
DeLaw (09:06):
So you went from braces to now invisible.
We talked about that.
Wes (09:10):
My mom was cheaped out and didn't get the retainer and my
teeth spaced away again.
You know, they spaced off again.
They corrected the initialissue, which was crooked teeth,
and then, without the retainer,they spaced apart.
So now I'm back on the visitline paying out of my pocket.
That's what I did.
DeLaw (09:34):
Yeah, the wife said that's what she got.
Yeah, same issue, because mywife said she had braces.
You had braces back in the dayIn middle school, but she said
she had the ones that camearound her head.
Oh.
Wes (09:46):
Why you gonna do her like that.
I owed her one Yo my wife wouldbe so mad if I said that.
She would be so mad that I putthat out there.
So mad.
DeLaw (10:04):
But she's still beautiful .
Wes (10:06):
It works.
DeLaw (10:10):
I'm going to have to make up for this later.
Yeah, she's going to beat you.
Yeah, you know she can movethat refrigerator, so you know.
Wes (10:17):
He's strong.
DeLaw (10:20):
Congratulations, you played yourself.
Wes (10:22):
Yeah, man, Hopefully that shit is poisonous, but it
Hopefully that shit is notpoisonous, but it is what it is.
It is what it is.
Yo question for you as amarried man how small does your
circle need to be to have apeaceful life?
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Do you have a big circle?
Do you have a medium circle,Small circle?
What size of that circle?
DeLaw (10:50):
I don't have a big circle .
I have a relatively smallcircle, to a point where I don't
really deal with too manypeople.
But you already know that Iwould say a decent sized circle
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is like four people, four people, four people.
Wes (11:19):
Shit.
My circle is like a dot.
It ain't even a circle for real.
But I don't believe that yougotta have a small circle or a
dot.
It ain't even a circle for real, for real.
But I don't believe that yougotta have a small circle or dot
to have a.
You know, to be successful,peaceful life and shit, whatever
that means to you.
Like, uh, I think the right typeof people gotta be in your,
your circle, and even if you gotthe wrong type of people, you
gotta know how how to interactand and, and you know, go back
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and forth with these people.
Like these, the people thatdon't come to baby showers,
these, the people that come toyou know little couple events
and they gonna bring another.
You know, your wife gonna meetanother lady for the fifth time.
You know what I mean.
Like yo, this is sasha now, andit's only been two weeks.
Like you know, knowing when toutilize your, the people in your
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circle.
Like I'm starting to startingto realize that I don't have a
big circle at all.
Like I said, mine is like a dotand even the people in that dot
they not really making my shitpeaceful.
That's because I allowed themnot to make the shit peaceful.
So I'm reassessing that, I'mreassessing that, I'm
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reassessing that.
DeLaw (12:29):
Do you think Especially for my circle?
I'm not going to say there's alot of people in my circle.
I talk to a lot of people, butmostly just because you know
what I'm saying.
A lot of people talk to me, so,like my old supervisor and old
co-workers, they all talk to me.
And then people that I knowthat A lot of people talk to me,
so, like my old supervisor andold co-workers, they all talk to
me.
And then people that I knowthat I see out, they talk to me.
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You know, like it's ain't likeI'm going out my way to be like
oh yeah, nah, nah, you my circle.
It's just like oh yeah, no, you, you know, but not necessarily
in the circle.
They don't come to the crib.
It's one of those things whenyou come to the crib, you're in
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the circle.
In your case, I do a podcastbut you're in the circle.
You are now in the circle, butif it's just oh, hey, I'm going
to buy you a drink today, you'rein the circle outside the
circle, you ain't in the innercircle so they're in the,
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they're in the circle where thenewcomers are at, not the quote,
unquote day ones or long, longacquaintances.
Wes (13:41):
You know what I mean.
DeLaw (13:42):
Yeah because I ain't going out my way.
You know those people on theouter, outer circle, those are
ones that, like Mr Fresh and myman Steve, yeah, I know who they
are, they know who I am and ifwe see each other out, we we
link up and whatever.
But I ain't going on my phoneto be like which I don't saying
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what y'all getting into, yeah, Iain't doing all that.
If to be like what y'all doing,what y'all getting into, I
ain't doing all that.
If I see you out, I see you out.
If I don't, hey, it is what itis.
I ain't about to lose no sleepover it, right, you know what
I'm saying.
Like, I know, when Mr Freshgonna be out, he gonna be out
doing a Ravens game and he gonnabe out.
He's going to have his Ravengear on and then, once the game
is over, he's going to play some.
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Uh, he's going to play someBoosie Yo Baltimore niggas love.
Wes (14:32):
If there's one thing the Baltimore niggas love, it's Lil
Boosie, my camera's stillfucking up.
Look at that.
DeLaw (14:38):
They were still fucking up.
They all love Boosie.
Stand off in this motherfucker.
Wes (14:45):
Uh, meek Mill that they all love.
Boosie, sad off in this,motherfucker Sad off.
That's their shit.
Boosie, meek Mill and trying tothrow somebody else out there
Right now, all I know is Boosieand Meek Mill.
They definitely, without adoubt, I can say yeah, and them
all day, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,boosie, they love Boosie.
DeLaw (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know they love Bootsy, but
you know he from the South, youknow what I'm saying.
So for him, because he from theSouth, he listened to a lot of
Southern music so you know, hesaid he spent a lot of time in
Baton Rouge so he played a lotof.
Wes (15:25):
Kevin.
DeLaw (15:26):
Gates.
Yeah, he played a lot of timein Baton Rouge.
So he, he, he played a lot ofKevin Gates.
Yeah, he played a lot of hotboys, a lot of Boosie, a lot of
uh, anything from my Louisiana.
He playing it.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
And you'd be hearing shit.
You'd be like, yeah, they gotthis song on this thing.
Like what the fuck?
Yeah, this wasn't even popular,but that shit go.
Because you know them, BatonRouge niggas, they know how to
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party.
They're going to put out a goodsong, they're going to put out
a good beat.
You know what I'm saying, youknow.
So it's one of those things.
Wes (15:58):
Shit.
The other day I startedlistening to some underground
Memphis shit from like I want tosay the 90s, not even a three,
six, but like DJ Zerk or someshit like that, and I forget the
name of the goddamn song.
Yo, I do remember the name.
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I just remember how the beat go.
I just remember the song beingvery, very I mean the title song
being very, very interestingand I was just like all right,
this sound kind of crazy andnasty and I cannot remember.
It's like one of them slobbermy knob joints and I cannot
remember the name of the goddamnsong.
Let me see the Memphis, uh, theMemphis, uh, kicks, and that
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motherfucker.
That pattern is kind of that'swhat's at the point.
I think it's DJ Zerk.
I don't know if he's stillalive or not.
Too thick, that's what thisshit called.
Too thick.
Listen to it on your oldleisure, it's your old leisure.
DeLaw (17:00):
Don't get me in trouble.
Wes (17:02):
Matter of fact, I feel like getting you in trouble.
Too thick it is.
That's what we about to listento.
But yeah, I went through awhole situation there, whole
situation.
But um, but, um, as far as,like those people on the outside
of the uh, the circle, theinner circle, your circle, the
associate circle, in youropinion, do they, could they
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circle your circle, theassociate circle?
In your opinion, could theyever be invited to the cool kids
table at lunch?
Or is it like one of thosethings where you're at, where
you're at?
And if they can be, what's thecriteria that they got to share
the same lifestyle you got?
Or how do they prove themselvesto you to D-Law the double
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son-in-law that they in thecircle?
DeLaw (17:50):
That's a tough one because being at the cool kids
table you know what I'm sayingthat's a hard thing to do
because back in high school thecool kids table was the ones who
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I ain't really have shit.
They just had like relaxedparents who let them do whatever
and they were just cool becausethey always had.
Oh, ma, let me get this like.
I know niggas that was gettingjeans for like $40 a pop and it
was like, oh yeah, you know, oh,they only cost $40.
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I'm like nigga, $40 that'sexpensive for a fucking you know
jeans.
You know what I mean.
But a lot of times even thecool kids I never really thought
they were cool.
Now they wanted to sit at the dlaw the devil's son law table.
They just got.
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You know, they just gotta bereal niggas, that's it, you know
?
Yeah, all right drastic.
You know what I'm saying, causehe show.
Wes (19:07):
Basically you saying, show some type of uh, authenticity, I
got it for you you already knowI can't.
DeLaw (19:16):
You already know I can't.
Uh, I don't know too much.
You know words and shit.
Wes (19:27):
I would, I would, I would second that like, show me as far
as, like, if you're a guy andshit, show me that you, a man,
that stand on something like I'mnot saying and I'm not saying
that in the most thuggish,gangster, glamorization type
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situation, but more or less like, be, be sturdy in who you are
and shit like that.
And, uh, you know, if you, ifwe are forming a relationship or
friendship and shit like that,at some point in time one of
both of our loyalty and trust isgoing to be tested.
So if you pass, hey, you inthere and we want to see how
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this shit rocks in between.
That time Some people gotseniority over you because
they've been there for 20 plusyears.
You know what I mean.
That's literally how it goes.
With me, you won't be on thatouter circle until something's
like you know what.
Come sit over here with us.
You know what I mean.
Like, come sit over here withme.
What you got going on, how's,how's, you know how's life, you
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know, see what they lifestyleabout and shit like that.
So, yeah, I just thought thatwas.
You know, as we are both how doI say this gracefully getting
older in our adulthood and beingmen, that shit becomes kind of
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tricky.
You tend to stay with your yourday ones, but sometimes you
outgrow your day ones and that'swhy your circle kind of tricky.
You tend to stay with your,your day ones, but sometimes you
outgrow your day ones andthat's why your circle kind of
gets smaller.
Sometimes you develop newfriends, but are they really
true friends or are they justpeople that you know you like to
do things with and they seemkind of cool, like has anything
been tested?
Has any?
You know what I mean as far aslike loyalty or respect.
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Or you know what I mean as faras like loyalty or respect, or
you know stuff like that, likehow one of my homies is like we
go by this thing like yo, if youain't taking care of your kids,
like we not fucking hangingaround with you, like a lot of
us had, you know single moms asparents and shit.
Like you think we gonna hangout with you and you ain't
taking care of your kids and youain't really got a reason not
to.
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I lost friends over that.
DeLaw (21:49):
And you trying to blame everybody else for why you ain't
taking care of your kids.
Wes (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I lost friends over that.
DeLaw (21:56):
See, I get that, though you know what I'm saying.
I mean, I'm not gonna say Idone, just been like all right,
alright, man, fuck this nigga.
Wes (22:05):
Whatever I got friends you're not going to make me come
to a baby shower, because I'msupporting you and your whole
situation, but you don't takecare of the kids, right?
That's weird.
You ain't even taking care ofthe kids.
That's weird to me, rightthat's really weird.
DeLaw (22:29):
I don't take care of this one because of mom, and I get
sometimes moms ain't necessarilythe easiest to deal with, but
like the excuse shouldn't alwaysbe well, the mom won't, it's
like.
So now what?
Like you pay your child support, you're a good dad, mom just
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don't like you.
Because mom just don't like you, okay, cool, but that doesn't
mean that you just don't takecare of your kids, like it's
still your kid.
Wes (23:01):
Yeah, and taking care of is more than just financial.
You got, you know, take care oftheir mental and their
emotional and teach them thingsand shit like that.
And um, as we both know, sincewe're older, that shit goes a
long way.
Yeah, so, it do yeah, I ain'tnever really respected that.
I I believe I talked about thatbefore here, but I'm just like,
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yeah, yeah, man, when it comesto my circle, hell yeah, what we
just discussed is pretty muchhow I play that shit.
Now, there's always that monkeywrench in the situation when it
comes to being married andhaving certain friends of a
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certain lifestyle, like, forinstance, me.
I have a friend that believesin polygamy and he tries each
and every way to make sure hegets his whole little situation
of like one or two girls.
DeLaw (24:06):
Can you be mad?
Wes (24:08):
No, I'm not mad at him.
My wife just thinks the shit isweird.
DeLaw (24:14):
Women think it's weird.
When it's not them, I can'teven say.
I can't say they're like, ohwell, they're always going to
think it's weird, becausesometimes they don't.
But a lot of times what's weirdto women isn't weird to men.
If women can't understand it,it's weird to them.
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I don't know, it's just weirdto me.
Why would someone do that?
Well, when you're talking aboutguys and how guys move, guys
move in a very logical way tothem.
Wes (24:47):
Yes.
DeLaw (24:47):
It's not going to be a logical way to everybody.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Cause, like, like me and mywife while we were at brunch
talking, I was like she was likewell, when would you want to
refinance the house?
I said, well, if we're going torefinance the house, If we're
going to refinance the house, Iwould rather do it in 11 years.
And she went well, why wouldyou want to do that?
I said, well, the way I see it,we're still in good health, good
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shape, everything else.
If we refinance in 11 years,that'd be 15 years it means we
should have paid close to halfof it.
You know what I'm saying.
And whenever we get back intorefinance, we can probably just
throw it back into the mortgageand pay off whatever else is
still left.
You know what I'm saying.
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And go about it that way sothat when we're ready to sell
the house, we can sell and getmore money.
I mean, if we're refinancing atthis point, clearly we're
refinancing for a specificreason.
Yeah, and she's like well, youknow, I don't see it Like, why
don't we refinance and put themoney back into the house?
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I said, if we refinance now,then yeah, that makes complete
sense.
But if, let's say, the ratesdon't go down to something that
we like in 15 years, 16 years,if we decide to refinance and
the refinance pays off the restof the house, why not pay off
the rest of the house and justpay the taxes on the house?
Wes (26:12):
And even when y'all refinance, you ain't got to
refinance for the whole thing.
Let's just say y'all wanted todo just repairs.
If I don't know what y'allsitting on equity, I'm not
asking, but if it's like, let'sjust say, hypothetical, it's
300,000 sitting on equity andthe let's just say, the
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renovations is 80 becauserefinance for 80 K, you ain't
paying that much extra when you.
You know, when you refinanceand stuff like that, that was
quick money for y'all to redowhatever.
So when it comes time to sellin a year or two, all y'all shit
is modern, whatever modern isgoing to be for 20 and the 2030s
or the 24 years.
You know what I'm saying.
I think everyone should bethinking about it that way.
But a lot of people don't evenknow that that's an option that
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they can do.
Yeah, or they're just like,well, uh, I'm gonna just sell
the house as is and they won'thave to do the repairs.
But but the house won't sellquicker.
DeLaw (27:04):
When everything looked nice, shiny and and you know up
to date because all the otherhouses you still got put that
work in and they ain't got toworry about it, cause the way I
looked at it was if, if, ifwe're going to sell the house as
is, then we might as well go goto second route of once.
We get to a certain amount oftime in the house just to
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refinance, pay off the house andthen just say, all right, look,
we just want to get out of thehouse, we'll refinance, and then
we get the full amount ofwhatever we're going to pay.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, and I look at it that waybecause I'm like, if we go
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ahead and do all the work to thehouse, so let's say we get a
new housing unit in the furnace,we get a new kitchen, bathrooms
, whatever carpet, it's cool andall, but we just wasted money
that we, you know, we could have.
Probably just really sad one,really.
Wes (28:03):
yeah, yeah, yeah listen, multiple reasons to refinance.
You could refinance and and andthrow the the money into a high
interest yield account.
Uh, make, make your money, makesome money.
And once it made the free moneythat you're going to pay taxes
on, of course, that you made youcould take that money that you
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put in that account and throw itright back into the mortgage
and then, boom you back to whereyou was at.
Like, even if it's like, oh,you started your loan over, it's
like, yeah, I did, but I paidit off.
So you know I paid it offquicker.
I mean, you know you get whatI'm saying.
DeLaw (28:42):
Like, yeah, I mean you know you get what I'm saying.
Like yeah, because somebodyelse was telling me the same
thing of if you're going to doit.
You know they said, if you get15 years on a loan, let's say
you got 15 years left on yourloan they were just like why
don't you just refinance to a?
Uh, less, less time, paying itat a certain point?
You know, I mean they're likeat a certain point, yeah, you
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might, you might pay lessbecause you got 15 years left,
but why not finance it to whereyou're probably still paying the
same amount but you pay it offsooner and you're good to go?
It's like I thought of that.
Wes (29:15):
Yeah, but it's not something that I go out my way
to really think about eitheryeah, I think about all those
things that I try to think about, uh, cause you know, those life
changing uh situations happen,just like that.
So sometimes I like to like sitdown and just what are the
possibilities of this happening?
Or this happened?
Or, just in case this happened,how could I move financially?
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I don't have any plans to do anyof that shit right now, but you
know, it's always good to justkind of know what you can and
can't do and stuff like that,because there's been so many
times where when I was younger,even in my older age, where
certain situations happen and Ididn't think about it, clearly I
didn't know of information.
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Then maybe two, three yearscome to go down the line.
I'm like, oh shit, I've learnedsomething.
I could have handled thissituation like this and would
have been better off.
So I was like, all right, Ineed to educate myself
financially when it comes towhat I can and can't do, like
you know, utilizing your 401k orutilizing equity in your house
via refinance, what you shouldbe doing it for and not what you
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shouldn't be doing it for, andstuff like that.
DeLaw (30:27):
I'll be right.
Wes (30:30):
I need some days off Shit.
You said what I need some daysoff, shit, I think we all do.
I think we all do Pretty sure.
They're the Pretty sure.
Yeah, even though I just tooksome time off, I'm like, nah,
that wasn't enough, wasn'tfucking enough.
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So another question for youHypothetically D-Law, you
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hypothetically d-law, uh,hypothetically in another world,
another timeline, uh,multiverse situation going on.
You're not married to yourcurrent wife, you don't.
You have a matter, but you havean ex-wife because we ain't
gonna put that out there.
You have an ex-wife, y'allshare a kid, y'all get divorced
and stuff like that.
And you become cool.
Or for parent husband, right,you y'all cool, like, y'all hang
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out, y'all go to the bar, youtalking to him about girls, you
smashing and shit like that.
They in the circle, somehow,some way they are in the laws
circle.
It makes co-parenting very,very easy because you know you
and your ex-wife, you know y'allcool, but you know things going
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on and stuff like that.
You find out no, okay, you findout that it's this old bling
that he had that you might beinterested in.
Do you feel like you need toask permission before you give
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your answer?
I want to read you this storybefore you answer.
I want to read you this story.
Before you answer, I want toread you this story.
So story goes, as I am a 36 yearold female and my best friend
is a 33 year old female.
We have known each other eightto nine years.
We met when she linked with myex-husband.
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We just clicked and it madeco-parenting super easy.
I have never had a friend thatstuck around as long before.
Anyways, she came here fromSouth Carolina to marry my ex.
Recently.
I got a random ad on Snapchatfrom the South Carolina area.
I get a lot of randos and I wasbored so I accepted, started
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off pretty standard andeventually grew into a
friendship.
Then more.
I told my bestie that I metthis guy, that I met a guy who
was acting as my hype manwhenever I go to the gym and
post a selfie.
By this point we had alreadyexchanged some explicit content.
She sent some pussy picturesBravo.
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I kept her informed ofprogression and then on
Christmas Eve, we realized thatthis guy was an old fling of
hers and she was, and she has ahall pass from my ex to go have
shenanigans for a weekend orsomething.
Uh.
DeLaw (33:46):
Wait, a hall deal at all.
Wes (33:57):
We joked about.
Our taste in men is similar.
Now it's been a couple of weeksand when I mentioned him at kid
exchange she shut down on me.
I texted her a little bit laterbecause her reaction was eating
at me.
I asked her if there was aproblem and she basically told
me she felt betrayed by both ofus because neither of us asked
her first and that she neverwould have taken things as far
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with someone whose roles werereversed.
She told me that she deletedand blocked him off of all of
her social media and she almostdone the same to me.
If you want him, he's freerange.
I responded that.
I responded to be fair.
We progressed past certainthings before we knew of the
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connection.
DeLaw (34:45):
She had range right.
Wes (34:48):
She knows that free range we knew of the connection she
had to him and I'd wronglyassumed it was okay to continue
talking to him because, well,she's married to my ex and he's
never caused any tension andit's never caused any tension,
plus all all the laughter andjokes I apologize for my part.
And she put and she put whatshe put, what felt like a guilt
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trip on me, telling me that shedoesn't think he's even noticed
that she's MIA.
But she bet he talks, huh, butshe's MIA, she hasn't even
noticed that she's MIA.
She bets he talked to me allday long, every day, and that's
not the case.
We talk intermittently, but nota full conversation all day
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long.
Anyway, my initial reaction isto let him down gently and to
tell him it couldn't be involved.
I couldn't be involved anymore,which I did.
But now I feel a little angry,like I definitely, like I'm
definitely hurt because I reallylike the guy and she's already
married.
It gives don't touch my toys,vibes.
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I had known before I gotinvolved.
I hadn't.
If I had known before I gotinvolved, I could see being this
upset but being as I didn'tknow in the beginning and she
made jokes about it all at first.
I don't know, maybe I'm just apile of garbage and it's
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actually me giving the don'ttouch my toys vibe.
DeLaw (36:20):
so don't touch your toys.
You don't touch your toys.
Wes (36:25):
You don't say you don't find nothing strange with the
way these women are interactingwith each other?
DeLaw (36:33):
well, I don't find it to be strange only because it
doesn't sound strange that womenwould interact that way, like
you gotta think about.
Women are always in competitionwith each other.
Even when they are always incompetition with each other even
when they're not in competition.
Wes (36:48):
But she's married to her ex-husband yeah, yeah, so
because she's married.
DeLaw (36:57):
So so the person who wrote the article, her
ex-husband, is married to somerando chick, right?
Wes (37:06):
not rando.
They did yeah, basically, andthen they became friends.
DeLaw (37:08):
They became friends, right?
That's where the first problemwas you should never became
friends not not that type offriends, exactly, exactly.
Wes (37:22):
You keep your ass on the outer circle and we talk.
We're cordial, we might do somethings together, but I ain't
letting you know personal shit.
DeLaw (37:31):
Then the husband gives you a hall pass.
Wes (37:33):
Okay, that's crazy.
DeLaw (37:34):
That's already crazy.
He out here cranking shit too.
I don't even mean that.
Okay, that's crazy, that'salready crazy, that's already
crazy he out here cranking shittoo.
Wes (37:41):
Nah, it don't even mean that.
It could just mean that he acuck and he like to sit in the
chair in the corner while guysdo his wife and he sit there
with his dick in his hand.
That could be a thing.
Yeah, that could be a thing.
There's no way I'm gonna belike telling my wife like yeah,
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you get a hall pass.
Here's the thing even if I saidthat and she acted on it, it's
done, because it's like why youwanna act on that right because,
the way I see it, there's nowoman.
DeLaw (38:14):
A woman might give you a hall pass, but there's no woman.
That's going to be like well,you know what?
There's someone oh well, myhusband.
He fucked another chain.
Whatever, it's not that big ofa deal, Dudes ain't like that.
That means you opened your leg.
It's one thing if you just gotsomething hanging from you.
I'm not saying that guys areright for it, but I'm not saying
that guy's right for it.
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But I'm just saying we'reputting something in, but you
got to open up your legs and letsomebody get in you.
They got to get on top of youand a lot of times you're
probably enjoying it and it'slike I don't know if I want to
hear that I ain't ever giving mywife no hall pass.
Wes (38:52):
The unfortunate double standard is the reason why it
works is because if we were todo it, our wife or whoever can
always chalk it up to oh, thatbitch was a hoe.
If they were to do it, they thehoe.
It's just not going to work.
The same reason why that chickwould be a hoe if I did it,
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because it was just something Ifucked.
We don't want to look at youthe same way.
So I don't want to look atsomebody that I'm dealing with
like, oh bitch, did some hoeshit.
You know what I mean.
Like I don't want to look at.
Look at it that way.
So it's like her first mistakewas like being that buddy, buddy
, like yo, like that's your oldwork, like, nah, I'm not even
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even if, even if I found it oddthat that might be her ex, don't
care, and I'm not doing it togive back.
It probably just happened.
But the but the strange thingis I'm like what are the odds of
that?
It's her old, it's her, her oldpiece of work that just
happened to to uh, you know,message you.
That sounds like you're stillin contact.
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That guy found you and he waslike yo, I'm going to make
someone so mad.
That's what that sounds like.
DeLaw (40:07):
That's exactly what it sounds like.
Wes (40:09):
But first of all it's just not.
I understand the friend thing,but she didn't know that was her
ex until whatever.
So it doesn't really matter.
But if like, like, if I knewone as guy code or whatever,
like typically don't go behind.
This is crazy.
(40:29):
If the chick is a hoe, she's ahoe, right, you ain't really
going behind your friend back.
But if he was like romanticallyinvolved, might have some kids
with her and stuff like that,you still shouldn't.
But if you felt inclined, youare supposed to say, hey, I'm
thinking about, or this you know, might move in this situation,
and your friend at that time hasevery right to be like yay or
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nay and he has every right totreat you a certain type of way
if you go forward either way,even if he said yeah, because
it's kind of gonna be like yo,why you gotta be like, you know
what I mean.
Like, come on now.
DeLaw (41:05):
It's a tricky situation, but you know that once it's the
ex-wife that's, that is herex-husband and she's like all
right yeah, I, um, especially.
Wes (41:20):
We got all past.
Why am I, why am I letting youknow anything?
You, you, you married and happywith my, with my ex-husband not
that you took him away from me,but like you're, like you're
happy, you shouldn't even haveeyes.
The fact that you want me to toto check in with you, even even
after we realized that it wasprior to me knowing that's the
(41:43):
thing that that sounds like thatlady's still fucking him it's
like you want me to check inwith you about somebody who's
not your husband.
DeLaw (41:56):
Just some.
Just some fling.
He was fucking you know someold fling of yours.
You know what I'm saying.
Wes (42:04):
That lady is still messing with that dude.
DeLaw (42:07):
Yeah, she is.
Wes (42:08):
That's what that sounds like, because why block him?
It doesn't really matter.
You should have been blockedhim.
I'm married now, that's whatyou should have been did, but
the fact that she got a hallpass, that means you know that's
the only way I see you knowwhat I'm saying.
DeLaw (42:24):
That's the only way I see you being mad about it.
Or, oh, you gotta check in withme.
I gotta check in with you aboutwho I'm fucking and you married
.
That means I mean honestly,like you said.
All that means I mean honestly,like you said, all that really
means is that, that's your hallpass fling.
That's what that is.
Wes (42:44):
Yeah, that's what that's starting to sound like.
DeLaw (42:46):
It's your hall pass fling .
And now you're a littlebothered that your hall pass
fling ends up being you know, myjank, you know what I'm saying.
Well, you know, my jank, youknow what I'm saying.
Well, you know, you got tocheck in because you know, if my
husband give me a hall pass, Idon't want him to feel like he
got to choose between me and you.
No, first of all, when you do ahall pass, why are you going
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back to the same motherfuckerevery time?
It's a hall pass, for a reason.
Wes (43:14):
Hypothetically, allegedly, allegedly, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
, it's a hall pass.
DeLaw (43:20):
for a reason, you're going to go back to the same
penis every time because it'sconvenient.
What the dang again forrelationship, and it wasn't.
Wes (43:28):
Oh, just think if you got a .
But just outside of that, justthink if you got a hall pass,
and then that shit was trash.
You're going to want a do-over,Mm-hmm.
And you're not going to get ado-over.
You're like hey, bitch, thatwas your whole past.
You're not getting a do-over,You're like fuck.
So sometimes you got to go tofuck her over live.
DeLaw (43:48):
See, I don't trust the theory of a whole past.
I do With a whole past, Okayyeah, not for my woman, no.
Not with my woman.
No, that means if my wife canjust as quickly find somebody
like that and fuck them, thatmeans you've been talking to
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this nigga a whole lot more thanwhat you're saying.
Wes (44:17):
Yeah, that's very true, but you're thinking that's the
person that you're saying yeah,that's very true, but you're
thinking, like, that's theperson that you should call.
Like, you know what's going on,you've been scoping it out.
DeLaw (44:25):
I'm like it's you.
Wes (44:30):
Even if it wasn't random guy.
DeLaw (44:31):
You met at the bar and you smashed him like that, like,
come on, that means now you gota whole bunch of tendencies.
Did I marry the right personthat you could just go out to
the bar and just say I just wantto fuck something.
My husband gave me a whole pass.
I'm going to fuck it Like what?
I can't, no, no, that's dead.
(44:57):
All right.
I can't no, nope, that's deadAlright.
Wes (45:02):
I just thought of something Like is it okay?
So let's just say yo, boom,what do you think is worse in a
woman's eyes?
Like she's?
Like yo, I gave you a hall passright In your head.
You're like, alright, bet, I'mgonna go fuck with so-and-so off
of OnlyFans.
You think whoever your woman oryour wife will be like you know
(45:23):
what, Never fucking mind, nevermind, never mind, because you
already been paying.
Let's just say yo, you, thattype of nigga You've been paying
the monthly fee of saying Idon't know I'm trying to think
of a name, but I don't know nonames.
I'm just Scorpio 2000, likebusting it wide for like monthly
and you know, you paying your$10, you tipping her extra 10, a
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squirt on the camera and shitlike that.
You're like you know what, Iwould like to have a piece of
that pussy.
Do you think if you'resignificant other ass like yo,
so did you go through with it?
Isn't anybody I know?
Do you think you should beinclined to say, hey, now's the
check off only for us?
Would that fuck up?
(46:10):
Would that fuck up yoursituation even more?
Or do you think it's safe tosay it was some chick I met at I
don't know the ice skating rinkor some shit like that no
matter what.
DeLaw (46:22):
It don't matter what chick it was.
It could have been the nice,friendly chick from you don't
think the OnlyFans?
Wes (46:28):
shit hurt might hit the heart, shit I do see women those
are professional whores, so youthink she ain't gonna be
thinking in the back of her headlike damn did she?
DeLaw (46:43):
how many nuts did she suck out of him at one time,
like when she said she wouldn'tthink that I'm saying women,
they'll give you a hall pass andthen they want to see what the
woman looks like.
They want to know if you, justif, pass, and then they want to
see what the woman looks like.
They want to know if you, just,if you just fucking something,
just to fuck something in as anugly bitch, they'd be like, all
right, yeah, that bitch was uglyanyway, I told that that goes
(47:08):
back to what I said.
Wes (47:09):
They just like they're going to already classify her as
a hoe.
So I was like why not just goto the hoes?
Right, but then let it be doneright, so I don't have to think
about another whole phase and Itake that now.
DeLaw (47:20):
But the only issue with that is is now, with that, with
that, you end up now trying to.
I guess, once you, once you, oh, she was just a ho.
Now they're like oh, so you'rejust fucking hoes now.
(47:41):
That's a whole otherexplanation.
I just don't think women reallydon't know what they want, but
they're going oh, here's yourhall pass, do whatever you want
to do.
As soon as you tell them thatyou were with a ho or OnlyFans
in their head, I can't keep upwith that.
She probably did some shit thatI ain't never heard of.
(48:03):
They be in their own heads, butI don't know, I don't know,
it's a tough one.
Wes (48:16):
I know my wife, she not, she doesn't.
Yours not giving me a pass,yours not giving you a pass,
mine not giving me a pass, it'snot, it's not gonna happen.
But I think if, like anothermulti verse universe type
situation, if mine gave me apass I'm definitely not saying
that, she was from only fans,definitely not saying that and
(48:37):
you gonna have to pay for theshit, and she was from OnlyFans
Definitely not saying that, andyou had to pay for the shit.
So it's just kind of like Ibetter wear that motherfucker
out.
DeLaw (48:45):
I'm about to say look, you might only have one time.
Wes (48:49):
Oh, I'm going to have one.
Yeah, shit, but hey, I'm aboutto say, shout out to them.
DeLaw (48:58):
So your advice for the young lady is if you think you
need to really justify it to her, then clearly they ain't your
friend.
I mean, that's how I look at ityeah, she's not thinking
rationally.
Wes (49:15):
It's different if it was just like oh, I knew that's who
that was, so I went out thereand he came out to me.
So if you block him, that'sfine and and, to be honest, like
it's like yo, were you fuckedup at.
My advice is were you fucked upat?
My advice is keep your romanticshit private.
If you do consider her yourfriend, you guys consider her
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your friend, you guys consideryourselves friends.
No matter how weird I mightthink, it seems to be the best
thing to do if y'all are friends, if you don't want to see your
friends hurt, you know youapologize what you did already
and just change your behavior,which you did already.
You cut it off on them and shit.
But from now on, keep yourromantic shit private, because
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that's how she is and also it'skind of like yo.
Here's another thing in thistype of situation, right, you
wouldn't think that you're um,you as his, as that child's mom,
as that child, as that mom, asthat child's mom.
You don't think you, you willwant to talk to your ex-husband
like yo, you just letting hertake her pussy out on the town,
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like how is that going to affectyou?
right because my kid is stillstaying, you know.
I mean, my child is stillstaying at the house and shit
like that.
So it's kind of like what doyou think you can handle?
You can handle that.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, is there going to bearguing in the house?
DeLaw (50:40):
I don't think they thought that far.
Come on now.
Wes (50:46):
If the roles were reversed and it was.
If it was, yeah, then my homiewas like yo, no, I found out, my
ex-wife gave her husband a pass.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Now?
Y'all going to break up and nowI'm going to have the kid full
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time.
You ain't going to have a placeto live and I'm not paying more
in child support.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not doing that.
What are you doing?
So that's exactly what's goingto happen they're going to break
up.
If the roles were reversed, Itold them to ask my wife like yo
, what are you doing?
Nah, I think I should do that.
She's going to get in herfeelings.
She's going to get mad.
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He might try his hand more thanonce.
DeLaw (51:31):
I mean, well, we knew that she was going to be in her,
he was going to be in her, hewas going to be in it.
Like when you get home past,you got to be a.
It's almost like someone saying, hey, we want to start being
swingers.
Wes (51:43):
It's like there's a very.
There's a very select, notselect.
There's a very small ratio ofpeople that can handle that.
I know I'm not one of them.
DeLaw (51:51):
I ain't one of them, because I'd be like the dude who
was on social media talkingabout something.
He put the option of swinger inhis wife's head and then, when
it started, when it happened, hethought he was doing something.
But then she over there.
Wes (52:08):
Swinging.
DeLaw (52:11):
Getting down, down and she was like she was making
noises that she never made withme.
Wes (52:17):
There's no way.
There is no fucking To somepeople that shit turns them on.
There is no way.
DeLaw (52:26):
Nah, ain't no way If I'm hearing my wife screaming like
that dude is giving her the bestsex of her life.
Nah, we ain't doing that.
Nah, no, sir, the best sex ofher life, Nah we ain't doing
that Nah, who's that Hell?
Wes (52:45):
no.
DeLaw (52:47):
My anxiety ain't built that way.
Wes (52:49):
It's not the anxiety, it's probably just the rage for me,
I'd be catching a murder chargeat that point.
I don't want to catch a murdercharge.
That's why I'm just like youknow what nah, nah, nah, nah,
nah.
It would definitely all thesmizzle, it would definitely be
rage.
I don't know man if.
Listen, lady, keep yourromantic life private from this
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lady.
Continue to be friends and itis what it is.
You shouldn't even know thatthere's a fucking hall.
Pass Y'all just weird.
That's just a weird thing.
DeLaw (53:25):
I understand y'all close and y'all besties and shit, but
Because it almost sounded likeit was like oh, she got a hall
pass for me to fuck myex-husband.
That's what I thought you weregoing with Nah, nah, nah, nah
nah.
Wes (53:37):
A new wife or new person has a hall pass from a lady's
ex-husband.
DeLaw (53:43):
In her head she's like wait, you gave this bitch a hall
pass.
You ain't never give me no hallpass, nigga, I don't think
they're worried about that.
Wes (53:49):
Yeah, I wouldn't.
I don't know, man, I'd likethat, but think about the reason
that you give somebody a hallpass.
I would think right.
And I would think if a man isgiving a woman a hall pass, he
can't perform somehow some way,right?
DeLaw (54:10):
see, I wouldn't even say that if you're giving your wife
a hall pass, what else are yougiving her a hall pass for?
That's what the she was for thestreets nah, you gonna just be
for the streets then.
Wes (54:18):
I.
Are you giving her a hall pass?
For that's what the?
Because you knew she was forthe streets.
Nah, you're going to just befor the streets then?
I'm not giving you a fuckinghall.
I'm not staying married tosomebody that's for the streets.
DeLaw (54:25):
You never know.
Wes (54:26):
I mean because no, I know this sounds like a white woman.
You never know, that causes alittle bit of.
So listen, you're right, Idon't know that mindset, but I
can say well, I would think myopinion it would be erectile
dysfunction, small meat, or helikes to be a cook, a couple of
(54:54):
those things can be solved.
The cook thinguck thing is just, it is what it is.
You know what I mean.
But the erectile dysfunction,you know that could be reversed.
A small meat hey, I hear theygot prosthetics now.
So you want to dig your wifeout like?
DeLaw (55:12):
that A prosthetic dick.
Wes (55:13):
Yeah, you strap on a dick on your dick, double dick,
double dick in her, damn, like.
If you on a dick on your dick,double dick, double dick in or
down, like, if you want to dothat, hey, hey, double dick or
down.
But, um, lord, yo, yeah.
Shout out to her, shout out toBova.
(55:37):
Shout out to Bova, though.
Shout out to the one that getsto take her pussy out to her.
Shout out to Bovado.
Shout out to Bovado.
Shout out to the one that getto take her pussy out on
vacation.
And shout out to the other lady, like yo, like, keep your shit
private.
You, you, you, and take solacein the fact that you're no
longer with a guy that will wantto give you a hall pass.
DeLaw (55:55):
I mean, from the sounds of it she ain't never give, he
ain't never you a hall pass.
I mean, from the sounds of it,he ain't never give no hall pass
on her.
He just said nah, bitch, youcome.
Wes (56:03):
Nah, maybe they broke up, maybe that's the ex, because he,
you know, he needed a doubledick.
Or, like Eric told us oh, hewanted to be a cuck and she was
like I'm not fucking bringinganother man in the fucking
bedroom.
I mean not another man, that'seven crazier.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not bringinganother man into a bedroom, I'm
not letting another man fuck me,so.
(56:24):
But that's how that shit startout.
So she probably get a hall passto go fuck another guy, but he
only, he only give it this, thepart that we won't know.
He only giving her that hallpass so she can tape it and he
can watch it later and then beatoff in the basement or some
shit like that.
DeLaw (56:42):
That'd be crazy.
Wes (56:44):
That happens all the time.
DeLaw (56:45):
That would be crazy.
Wes (56:47):
You don't think it happens all the time.
Look, because he, probablybecause he also I'm making a
whole universe out of thesepeople's situation.
I'm like, but shit like thathappens all the time.
On that note, keep your circleas small as a dot, like I do.
(57:10):
You wanna have these problems?
And yeah, thank everybody forcoming in.
The visit line like tuned up and shit and they got to put
these little brackets and stuffon your teeth.
Well, you know, you familiarwith it.
DeLaw (00:07):
Your wife had a visit line right, yeah, she got a
visit line.
Wes (00:10):
So, long story short, they was like oh, you're missing one
of the things.
You're going to have to putanother one on one of your teeth
, the back tooth, or whatever.
I'm like all right, cool, cool,cool, cool.
So, like man, it's like thefourth one that I didn't bit off
or whatever, or somethinghappened and I didn't know what
happened.
So I'm like look, and it's theassistant right there in the
(00:30):
orthodontist right there.
I said, obviously I've beenswallowing these, is this safe?
And they bust out laughing.
I'm like no, I'm serious.
I don't know where it wentBecause I didn't see it come out
of my food.
About food, I must haveswallowed it all.
Is this saying?
He tells me, he tells me.
Well, I would think that youknow some of the chemicals and
(00:51):
stuff that we work with forsafety use in the mouth.
So I think you should be goodthat you swallowed it up tonight
.
I'm like that's not reassuringeverybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof the according to west
podcast.
As always, we got d law hereyou have.
D-Law, the coach, coach D-Lawfull of emotions, about to go
(01:11):
coach a game.
DeLaw (01:13):
We don't know what type of advice he's going to give
look, you know what advice I'mgoing to give keep your hands up
definitely keep your hands up.
Wes (01:24):
We need the game to exhibit more defense, Professionally,
non-professionally, amateur.
We need more defense.
That's what's going to keep mewatching.
DeLaw (01:38):
Yeah, no, we definitely need more defense.
And it was funny like watchingthe.
Uh, the kids like kind of playaround whatever they play like
just like on tv.
Yeah, yeah, one kid he gave melike in practice last week and
I'm like he fell on the floor.
I'm like why the fuck he fallon the floor?
(01:59):
For he gave like a euro step tothe rim after he.
He put it up, he falls on theground.
I'm like what the hell are youdoing?
No one touched you.
Wes (02:07):
No one touched you.
DeLaw (02:08):
No one touched you.
Why are you?
Why are you falling on theground?
You?
Wes (02:14):
know what that means when I was younger, when I would make
like a play while I'm inpractice and I'll move or
something like that.
My body can't understand that.
I just actually did it because,you know, if you don't do it
all the time you like, it's likeyour body just forgets like how
to walk or some shit like thatwent in that I made that.
Yeah, like that's probably whatthat was I mean the muscle
(02:38):
memory wasn't there for thatparticular move.
That's what I'm trying to say.
It's possible.
DeLaw (02:43):
I'm not going to say that I ain't falling on the ground
from doing a layup, but itwasn't.
No, I do a Euro step and I puta shot up and I'm just clumsy
enough to fall over.
Nah, I ain't doing that, I'm onmy feet.
You know what I'm saying?
(03:03):
These young kids.
And then I don't know if it'sme or maybe I just got too high
of expectations because I'vecoached middle school basketball
before and it's like there's noway that y'all guys are this
(03:24):
bad.
Wes (03:26):
Don't do that it is.
DeLaw (03:28):
I'm not going to say they're not bad.
We got a couple players thatcan ball and when it comes down
to it and I was watching thempractice on Friday these
motherfuckers, they don't evenwant to shoot the ball, they
want to get the ball to thatnigga.
Like alright, you going me,come on, let's pretend they
don't even want to shoot theball.
They want to get the ball tothat nigga.
Like, all right, you're goingto make it.
Like, come on, like, let'spretend that we all can score
(03:50):
here.
You know what I'm saying.
Let's pretend that we all canscore and let's score.
Like it can't be just everytime we got a fast break that
you look around for that one guywho you trust to make the shot.
Like no, we can't do that, wegotta score.
Everybody's gonna have to putthe ball up, you know.
Wes (04:13):
But yeah, I don't want to get myself fired before we get
started.
DeLaw (04:23):
Our first game was supposed to be yesterday at
Greenbelt Middle against Laurel,but because of the non-existent
snow that hit yesterday, theycanceled it.
Wes (04:38):
Shout out to I ain't about to get into that man Shout out
to the government.
I'm just going to say shout outto the government.
Shout out to y'all In allaspects, local and federal.
Shout out to y'all yeah,because it's state.
Shout out to y'all, local,state and federal.
(04:58):
Shout out to y'all.
Listen me, and you both can'tafford to be talking kind of
crazy.
Yo, I have a buddy that worksfor local government.
I ain't going to say what he do, but I get in the middle of
that shit.
I call him.
He's like yo, on behalf of thecounty, I just want to apologize
(05:19):
.
I said nigga, like before Icould even say anything, he
wanted to apologize to me.
What the fuck going on in the,in the community?
DeLaw (05:30):
I'm just like he was apologizing before shit even
went down before I even saidanything.
Wes (05:34):
This was just like our formal call.
I'm like yo, how you family,that's how crazy, that's how
crazy.
But I, I ain't, uh, I ain'tgetting into that shit, but I
ain't introducing myself.
It's me, wes, as always.
So we got Wes.
DeLaw (05:54):
Yeah, we got you too.
Hey, man, look, it's a Cordenand Wes podcast.
It ain't Corden and D-Law Wes,it's just Corden and Wes.
Wes (06:03):
But that's the lesson.
I give you the privilege togive your own ring announcer.
You know situation going onthere.
I'm the one that come in blandand you got me West.
DeLaw (06:17):
Hey man, look, I told you I treat this like a WWE
personality, you know, you knowyou got to have a moniker that
comes with you, shit.
Wes (06:27):
The.
DeLaw (06:28):
Lord of the Devils, son-in-law, it just hit
different, especially when wetalk about the fuckery.
Wes (06:33):
It do.
It's a crazy thing.
I was at the dentist it wasThursday and you know, like,
have you ever been in socialsituations where you be dead
serious but people just likelaughing and thinking you joking
and shit like that?
And I'm like I'm not fucking,I'm not joking.
This is, this is me a hundred,this is me a hundred percent,
because I was mad you forgotthat I'm married yeah, it's true
(06:55):
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was uh.
DeLaw (06:57):
Every time I talk it's like I'm being serious and like,
oh yeah, I know you're, I talk.
It's like I'm being serious andlike, oh yeah, I know you're
being serious, but it's not thatserious babe.
Like you're making this seriousmore than I'm.
Wes (07:09):
like, all right, you're right, my wife does the same
shit to me.
Just laughing.
I'd be like, nah, I'm deadserious about what I'm saying.
There's no, there's no, I'msaying this to make you laugh.
I am dead serious, like I was.
I was getting a visit line liketuned up and shit, and they got
to put these little bracketsand stuff on your teeth.
Well, you know, you familiarwith your wife had a visit line
(07:31):
right, yeah, she got, she got avisit line so long story short.
They was like oh, you're missingone of the things, you're gonna
have to put another one on oneof your two, uh, the back two,
for whatever.
I'm like all right, cool, cool,cool cool.
I'm thinking I'm like man, it'slike the fourth one that I
didn't bid off or whatever, orsomething happened and I didn't
know what happened.
So I'm like look and it's the,the assistant right there in the
(07:51):
other, donald or death sayobviously I've been swallowing
these bitches.
What is this safe?
And they bust out laughing.
I'm like no, I'm serious, I Idon't know where it went,
because I didn't see it come outof my food.
I must have swallowed it, hetells me.
He tells me well, I would thinkthat you know some of the
(08:12):
chemicals and stuff that we workwith are safe to use in the
mouth.
So I think you should be goodif you swallowed it.
I'm like that's not reassuring.
I was like come on man.
DeLaw (08:21):
Of course it's not reassuring because you think you
done swallowed it.
Wes (08:26):
No, I know I did.
I don't know where it went.
Like, this is like the thirdthing.
I don't know where it went.
I'm like damn eating, I can'teat chips.
Like I'm a.
What I noticed about me?
Right, I am a very I'm not amessy eater, but I don't take my
time of time, so food is goingevery which way.
It ain't staying right on theleft side, on the right side,
(08:47):
I'm just like fuck, I'm hungry.
It has to get devoured.
Hungry, hungry, hungry, hungry,hungry.
So that's why braces when I hadbraces when I was younger, that
shit just didn't work well,because it was like oh, cut your
food, do this.
I was always breaking a pieceof metal or some shit like that.
I'm like hang on, time for thatshit.
DeLaw (09:06):
So you went from braces to now invisible.
We talked about that.
Wes (09:10):
My mom was cheaped out and didn't get the retainer and my
teeth spaced away again.
You know, they spaced off again.
They corrected the initialissue, which was crooked teeth,
and then, without the retainer,they spaced apart.
So now I'm back on the visitline paying out of my pocket.
That's what I did.
DeLaw (09:34):
Yeah, the wife said that's what she got.
Yeah, same issue, because mywife said she had braces.
You had braces back in the dayIn middle school, but she said
she had the ones that camearound her head.
Oh.
Wes (09:46):
Why you gonna do her like that.
I owed her one Yo my wife wouldbe so mad if I said that.
She would be so mad that I putthat out there.
So mad.
DeLaw (10:04):
But she's still beautiful .
Wes (10:06):
It works.
DeLaw (10:10):
I'm going to have to make up for this later.
Yeah, she's going to beat you.
Yeah, you know she can movethat refrigerator, so you know.
Wes (10:17):
He's strong.
DeLaw (10:20):
Congratulations, you played yourself.
Wes (10:22):
Yeah, man, Hopefully that shit is poisonous, but it
Hopefully that shit is notpoisonous, but it is what it is.
It is what it is.
Yo question for you as amarried man how small does your
circle need to be to have apeaceful life?
(10:42):
Do you have a big circle?
Do you have a medium circle,Small circle?
What size of that circle?
DeLaw (10:50):
I don't have a big circle .
I have a relatively smallcircle, to a point where I don't
really deal with too manypeople.
But you already know that Iwould say a decent sized circle
(11:12):
is like four people, four people, four people.
Wes (11:19):
Shit.
My circle is like a dot.
It ain't even a circle for real.
But I don't believe that yougotta have a small circle or a
dot.
It ain't even a circle for real, for real.
But I don't believe that yougotta have a small circle or dot
to have a.
You know, to be successful,peaceful life and shit, whatever
that means to you.
Like, uh, I think the right typeof people gotta be in your,
your circle, and even if you gotthe wrong type of people, you
gotta know how how to interactand and, and you know, go back
(11:43):
and forth with these people.
Like these, the people thatdon't come to baby showers,
these, the people that come toyou know little couple events
and they gonna bring another.
You know, your wife gonna meetanother lady for the fifth time.
You know what I mean.
Like yo, this is sasha now, andit's only been two weeks.
Like you know, knowing when toutilize your, the people in your
(12:04):
circle.
Like I'm starting to startingto realize that I don't have a
big circle at all.
Like I said, mine is like a dotand even the people in that dot
they not really making my shitpeaceful.
That's because I allowed themnot to make the shit peaceful.
So I'm reassessing that, I'mreassessing that, I'm
(12:27):
reassessing that.
DeLaw (12:29):
Do you think Especially for my circle?
I'm not going to say there's alot of people in my circle.
I talk to a lot of people, butmostly just because you know
what I'm saying.
A lot of people talk to me, so,like my old supervisor and old
co-workers, they all talk to me.
And then people that I knowthat A lot of people talk to me,
so, like my old supervisor andold co-workers, they all talk to
me.
And then people that I knowthat I see out, they talk to me.
(12:49):
You know, like it's ain't likeI'm going out my way to be like
oh yeah, nah, nah, you my circle.
It's just like oh yeah, no, you, you know, but not necessarily
in the circle.
They don't come to the crib.
It's one of those things whenyou come to the crib, you're in
(13:10):
the circle.
In your case, I do a podcastbut you're in the circle.
You are now in the circle, butif it's just oh, hey, I'm going
to buy you a drink today, you'rein the circle outside the
circle, you ain't in the innercircle so they're in the,
(13:32):
they're in the circle where thenewcomers are at, not the quote,
unquote day ones or long, longacquaintances.
Wes (13:41):
You know what I mean.
DeLaw (13:42):
Yeah because I ain't going out my way.
You know those people on theouter, outer circle, those are
ones that, like Mr Fresh and myman Steve, yeah, I know who they
are, they know who I am and ifwe see each other out, we we
link up and whatever.
But I ain't going on my phoneto be like which I don't saying
(14:03):
what y'all getting into, yeah, Iain't doing all that.
If to be like what y'all doing,what y'all getting into, I
ain't doing all that.
If I see you out, I see you out.
If I don't, hey, it is what itis.
I ain't about to lose no sleepover it, right, you know what
I'm saying.
Like, I know, when Mr Freshgonna be out, he gonna be out
doing a Ravens game and he gonnabe out.
He's going to have his Ravengear on and then, once the game
is over, he's going to play some.
(14:24):
Uh, he's going to play someBoosie Yo Baltimore niggas love.
Wes (14:32):
If there's one thing the Baltimore niggas love, it's Lil
Boosie, my camera's stillfucking up.
Look at that.
DeLaw (14:38):
They were still fucking up.
They all love Boosie.
Stand off in this motherfucker.
Wes (14:45):
Uh, meek Mill that they all love.
Boosie, sad off in this,motherfucker Sad off.
That's their shit.
Boosie, meek Mill and trying tothrow somebody else out there
Right now, all I know is Boosieand Meek Mill.
They definitely, without adoubt, I can say yeah, and them
all day, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,boosie, they love Boosie.
DeLaw (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know they love Bootsy, but
you know he from the South, youknow what I'm saying.
So for him, because he from theSouth, he listened to a lot of
Southern music so you know, hesaid he spent a lot of time in
Baton Rouge so he played a lotof.
Wes (15:25):
Kevin.
DeLaw (15:26):
Gates.
Yeah, he played a lot of timein Baton Rouge.
So he, he, he played a lot ofKevin Gates.
Yeah, he played a lot of hotboys, a lot of Boosie, a lot of
uh, anything from my Louisiana.
He playing it.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
And you'd be hearing shit.
You'd be like, yeah, they gotthis song on this thing.
Like what the fuck?
Yeah, this wasn't even popular,but that shit go.
Because you know them, BatonRouge niggas, they know how to
(15:48):
party.
They're going to put out a goodsong, they're going to put out
a good beat.
You know what I'm saying, youknow.
So it's one of those things.
Wes (15:58):
Shit.
The other day I startedlistening to some underground
Memphis shit from like I want tosay the 90s, not even a three,
six, but like DJ Zerk or someshit like that, and I forget the
name of the goddamn song.
Yo, I do remember the name.
(16:20):
I just remember how the beat go.
I just remember the song beingvery, very I mean the title song
being very, very interestingand I was just like all right,
this sound kind of crazy andnasty and I cannot remember.
It's like one of them slobbermy knob joints and I cannot
remember the name of the goddamnsong.
Let me see the Memphis, uh, theMemphis, uh, kicks, and that
(16:43):
motherfucker.
That pattern is kind of that'swhat's at the point.
I think it's DJ Zerk.
I don't know if he's stillalive or not.
Too thick, that's what thisshit called.
Too thick.
Listen to it on your oldleisure, it's your old leisure.
DeLaw (17:00):
Don't get me in trouble.
Wes (17:02):
Matter of fact, I feel like getting you in trouble.
Too thick it is.
That's what we about to listento.
But yeah, I went through awhole situation there, whole
situation.
But um, but, um, as far as,like those people on the outside
of the uh, the circle, theinner circle, your circle, the
associate circle, in youropinion, do they, could they
(17:24):
circle your circle, theassociate circle?
In your opinion, could theyever be invited to the cool kids
table at lunch?
Or is it like one of thosethings where you're at, where
you're at?
And if they can be, what's thecriteria that they got to share
the same lifestyle you got?
Or how do they prove themselvesto you to D-Law the double
(17:46):
son-in-law that they in thecircle?
DeLaw (17:50):
That's a tough one because being at the cool kids
table you know what I'm sayingthat's a hard thing to do
because back in high school thecool kids table was the ones who
(18:11):
I ain't really have shit.
They just had like relaxedparents who let them do whatever
and they were just cool becausethey always had.
Oh, ma, let me get this like.
I know niggas that was gettingjeans for like $40 a pop and it
was like, oh yeah, you know, oh,they only cost $40.
(18:32):
I'm like nigga, $40 that'sexpensive for a fucking you know
jeans.
You know what I mean.
But a lot of times even thecool kids I never really thought
they were cool.
Now they wanted to sit at the dlaw the devil's son law table.
They just got.
(18:53):
You know, they just gotta bereal niggas, that's it, you know
?
Yeah, all right drastic.
You know what I'm saying, causehe show.
Wes (19:07):
Basically you saying, show some type of uh, authenticity, I
got it for you you already knowI can't.
DeLaw (19:16):
You already know I can't.
Uh, I don't know too much.
You know words and shit.
Wes (19:27):
I would, I would, I would second that like, show me as far
as, like, if you're a guy andshit, show me that you, a man,
that stand on something like I'mnot saying and I'm not saying
that in the most thuggish,gangster, glamorization type
(19:48):
situation, but more or less like, be, be sturdy in who you are
and shit like that.
And, uh, you know, if you, ifwe are forming a relationship or
friendship and shit like that,at some point in time one of
both of our loyalty and trust isgoing to be tested.
So if you pass, hey, you inthere and we want to see how
(20:12):
this shit rocks in between.
That time Some people gotseniority over you because
they've been there for 20 plusyears.
You know what I mean.
That's literally how it goes.
With me, you won't be on thatouter circle until something's
like you know what.
Come sit over here with us.
You know what I mean.
Like, come sit over here withme.
What you got going on, how's,how's, you know how's life, you
(20:34):
know, see what they lifestyleabout and shit like that.
So, yeah, I just thought thatwas.
You know, as we are both how doI say this gracefully getting
older in our adulthood and beingmen, that shit becomes kind of
(21:01):
tricky.
You tend to stay with your yourday ones, but sometimes you
outgrow your day ones and that'swhy your circle kind of tricky.
You tend to stay with your,your day ones, but sometimes you
outgrow your day ones andthat's why your circle kind of
gets smaller.
Sometimes you develop newfriends, but are they really
true friends or are they justpeople that you know you like to
do things with and they seemkind of cool, like has anything
been tested?
Has any?
You know what I mean as far aslike loyalty or respect.
(21:24):
Or you know what I mean as faras like loyalty or respect, or
you know stuff like that, likehow one of my homies is like we
go by this thing like yo, if youain't taking care of your kids,
like we not fucking hangingaround with you, like a lot of
us had, you know single moms asparents and shit.
Like you think we gonna hangout with you and you ain't
taking care of your kids and youain't really got a reason not
to.
(21:45):
I lost friends over that.
DeLaw (21:49):
And you trying to blame everybody else for why you ain't
taking care of your kids.
Wes (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I lost friends over that.
DeLaw (21:56):
See, I get that, though you know what I'm saying.
I mean, I'm not gonna say Idone, just been like all right,
alright, man, fuck this nigga.
Wes (22:05):
Whatever I got friends you're not going to make me come
to a baby shower, because I'msupporting you and your whole
situation, but you don't takecare of the kids, right?
That's weird.
You ain't even taking care ofthe kids.
That's weird to me, rightthat's really weird.
DeLaw (22:29):
I don't take care of this one because of mom, and I get
sometimes moms ain't necessarilythe easiest to deal with, but
like the excuse shouldn't alwaysbe well, the mom won't, it's
like.
So now what?
Like you pay your child support, you're a good dad, mom just
(22:53):
don't like you.
Because mom just don't like you, okay, cool, but that doesn't
mean that you just don't takecare of your kids, like it's
still your kid.
Wes (23:01):
Yeah, and taking care of is more than just financial.
You got, you know, take care oftheir mental and their
emotional and teach them thingsand shit like that.
And um, as we both know, sincewe're older, that shit goes a
long way.
Yeah, so, it do yeah, I ain'tnever really respected that.
I I believe I talked about thatbefore here, but I'm just like,
(23:26):
yeah, yeah, man, when it comesto my circle, hell yeah, what we
just discussed is pretty muchhow I play that shit.
Now, there's always that monkeywrench in the situation when it
comes to being married andhaving certain friends of a
(23:48):
certain lifestyle, like, forinstance, me.
I have a friend that believesin polygamy and he tries each
and every way to make sure hegets his whole little situation
of like one or two girls.
DeLaw (24:06):
Can you be mad?
Wes (24:08):
No, I'm not mad at him.
My wife just thinks the shit isweird.
DeLaw (24:14):
Women think it's weird.
When it's not them, I can'teven say.
I can't say they're like, ohwell, they're always going to
think it's weird, becausesometimes they don't.
But a lot of times what's weirdto women isn't weird to men.
If women can't understand it,it's weird to them.
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I don't know, it's just weirdto me.
Why would someone do that?
Well, when you're talking aboutguys and how guys move, guys
move in a very logical way tothem.
Wes (24:47):
Yes.
DeLaw (24:47):
It's not going to be a logical way to everybody.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Cause, like, like me and mywife while we were at brunch
talking, I was like she was likewell, when would you want to
refinance the house?
I said, well, if we're going torefinance the house, If we're
going to refinance the house, Iwould rather do it in 11 years.
And she went well, why wouldyou want to do that?
I said, well, the way I see it,we're still in good health, good
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shape, everything else.
If we refinance in 11 years,that'd be 15 years it means we
should have paid close to halfof it.
You know what I'm saying.
And whenever we get back intorefinance, we can probably just
throw it back into the mortgageand pay off whatever else is
still left.
You know what I'm saying.
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And go about it that way sothat when we're ready to sell
the house, we can sell and getmore money.
I mean, if we're refinancing atthis point, clearly we're
refinancing for a specificreason.
Yeah, and she's like well, youknow, I don't see it Like, why
don't we refinance and put themoney back into the house?
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I said, if we refinance now,then yeah, that makes complete
sense.
But if, let's say, the ratesdon't go down to something that
we like in 15 years, 16 years,if we decide to refinance and
the refinance pays off the restof the house, why not pay off
the rest of the house and justpay the taxes on the house?
Wes (26:12):
And even when y'all refinance, you ain't got to
refinance for the whole thing.
Let's just say y'all wanted todo just repairs.
If I don't know what y'allsitting on equity, I'm not
asking, but if it's like, let'sjust say, hypothetical, it's
300,000 sitting on equity andthe let's just say, the
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renovations is 80 becauserefinance for 80 K, you ain't
paying that much extra when you.
You know, when you refinanceand stuff like that, that was
quick money for y'all to redowhatever.
So when it comes time to sellin a year or two, all y'all shit
is modern, whatever modern isgoing to be for 20 and the 2030s
or the 24 years.
You know what I'm saying.
I think everyone should bethinking about it that way.
But a lot of people don't evenknow that that's an option that
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they can do.
Yeah, or they're just like,well, uh, I'm gonna just sell
the house as is and they won'thave to do the repairs.
But but the house won't sellquicker.
DeLaw (27:04):
When everything looked nice, shiny and and you know up
to date because all the otherhouses you still got put that
work in and they ain't got toworry about it, cause the way I
looked at it was if, if, ifwe're going to sell the house as
is, then we might as well go goto second route of once.
We get to a certain amount oftime in the house just to
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refinance, pay off the house andthen just say, all right, look,
we just want to get out of thehouse, we'll refinance, and then
we get the full amount ofwhatever we're going to pay.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, and I look at it that waybecause I'm like, if we go
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ahead and do all the work to thehouse, so let's say we get a
new housing unit in the furnace,we get a new kitchen, bathrooms
, whatever carpet, it's cool andall, but we just wasted money
that we, you know, we could have.
Probably just really sad one,really.
Wes (28:03):
yeah, yeah, yeah listen, multiple reasons to refinance.
You could refinance and and andthrow the the money into a high
interest yield account.
Uh, make, make your money, makesome money.
And once it made the free moneythat you're going to pay taxes
on, of course, that you made youcould take that money that you
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put in that account and throw itright back into the mortgage
and then, boom you back to whereyou was at.
Like, even if it's like, oh,you started your loan over, it's
like, yeah, I did, but I paidit off.
So you know I paid it offquicker.
I mean, you know you get whatI'm saying.
DeLaw (28:42):
Like, yeah, I mean you know you get what I'm saying.
Like yeah, because somebodyelse was telling me the same
thing of if you're going to doit.
You know they said, if you get15 years on a loan, let's say
you got 15 years left on yourloan they were just like why
don't you just refinance to a?
Uh, less, less time, paying itat a certain point?
You know, I mean they're likeat a certain point, yeah, you
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might, you might pay lessbecause you got 15 years left,
but why not finance it to whereyou're probably still paying the
same amount but you pay it offsooner and you're good to go?
It's like I thought of that.
Wes (29:15):
Yeah, but it's not something that I go out my way
to really think about eitheryeah, I think about all those
things that I try to think about, uh, cause you know, those life
changing uh situations happen,just like that.
So sometimes I like to like sitdown and just what are the
possibilities of this happening?
Or this happened?
Or, just in case this happened,how could I move financially?
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I don't have any plans to do anyof that shit right now, but you
know, it's always good to justkind of know what you can and
can't do and stuff like that,because there's been so many
times where when I was younger,even in my older age, where
certain situations happen and Ididn't think about it, clearly I
didn't know of information.
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Then maybe two, three yearscome to go down the line.
I'm like, oh shit, I've learnedsomething.
I could have handled thissituation like this and would
have been better off.
So I was like, all right, Ineed to educate myself
financially when it comes towhat I can and can't do, like
you know, utilizing your 401k orutilizing equity in your house
via refinance, what you shouldbe doing it for and not what you
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shouldn't be doing it for, andstuff like that.
DeLaw (30:27):
I'll be right.
Wes (30:30):
I need some days off Shit.
You said what I need some daysoff, shit, I think we all do.
I think we all do Pretty sure.
They're the Pretty sure.
Yeah, even though I just tooksome time off, I'm like, nah,
that wasn't enough, wasn'tfucking enough.
(30:53):
So another question for youHypothetically D-Law, you
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hypothetically d-law, uh,hypothetically in another world,
another timeline, uh,multiverse situation going on.
You're not married to yourcurrent wife, you don't.
You have a matter, but you havean ex-wife because we ain't
gonna put that out there.
You have an ex-wife, y'allshare a kid, y'all get divorced
and stuff like that.
And you become cool.
Or for parent husband, right,you y'all cool, like, y'all hang
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out, y'all go to the bar, youtalking to him about girls, you
smashing and shit like that.
They in the circle, somehow,some way they are in the laws
circle.
It makes co-parenting very,very easy because you know you
and your ex-wife, you know y'allcool, but you know things going
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on and stuff like that.
You find out no, okay, you findout that it's this old bling
that he had that you might beinterested in.
Do you feel like you need toask permission before you give
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your answer?
I want to read you this storybefore you answer.
I want to read you this story.
Before you answer, I want toread you this story.
So story goes, as I am a 36 yearold female and my best friend
is a 33 year old female.
We have known each other eightto nine years.
We met when she linked with myex-husband.
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We just clicked and it madeco-parenting super easy.
I have never had a friend thatstuck around as long before.
Anyways, she came here fromSouth Carolina to marry my ex.
Recently.
I got a random ad on Snapchatfrom the South Carolina area.
I get a lot of randos and I wasbored so I accepted, started
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off pretty standard andeventually grew into a
friendship.
Then more.
I told my bestie that I metthis guy, that I met a guy who
was acting as my hype manwhenever I go to the gym and
post a selfie.
By this point we had alreadyexchanged some explicit content.
She sent some pussy picturesBravo.
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I kept her informed ofprogression and then on
Christmas Eve, we realized thatthis guy was an old fling of
hers and she was, and she has ahall pass from my ex to go have
shenanigans for a weekend orsomething.
Uh.
DeLaw (33:46):
Wait, a hall deal at all.
Wes (33:57):
We joked about.
Our taste in men is similar.
Now it's been a couple of weeksand when I mentioned him at kid
exchange she shut down on me.
I texted her a little bit laterbecause her reaction was eating
at me.
I asked her if there was aproblem and she basically told
me she felt betrayed by both ofus because neither of us asked
her first and that she neverwould have taken things as far
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with someone whose roles werereversed.
She told me that she deletedand blocked him off of all of
her social media and she almostdone the same to me.
If you want him, he's freerange.
I responded that.
I responded to be fair.
We progressed past certainthings before we knew of the
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connection.
DeLaw (34:45):
She had range right.
Wes (34:48):
She knows that free range we knew of the connection she
had to him and I'd wronglyassumed it was okay to continue
talking to him because, well,she's married to my ex and he's
never caused any tension andit's never caused any tension,
plus all all the laughter andjokes I apologize for my part.
And she put and she put whatshe put, what felt like a guilt
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trip on me, telling me that shedoesn't think he's even noticed
that she's MIA.
But she bet he talks, huh, butshe's MIA, she hasn't even
noticed that she's MIA.
She bets he talked to me allday long, every day, and that's
not the case.
We talk intermittently, but nota full conversation all day
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long.
Anyway, my initial reaction isto let him down gently and to
tell him it couldn't be involved.
I couldn't be involved anymore,which I did.
But now I feel a little angry,like I definitely, like I'm
definitely hurt because I reallylike the guy and she's already
married.
It gives don't touch my toys,vibes.
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I had known before I gotinvolved.
I hadn't.
If I had known before I gotinvolved, I could see being this
upset but being as I didn'tknow in the beginning and she
made jokes about it all at first.
I don't know, maybe I'm just apile of garbage and it's
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actually me giving the don'ttouch my toys vibe.
DeLaw (36:20):
so don't touch your toys.
You don't touch your toys.
Wes (36:25):
You don't say you don't find nothing strange with the
way these women are interactingwith each other?
DeLaw (36:33):
well, I don't find it to be strange only because it
doesn't sound strange that womenwould interact that way, like
you gotta think about.
Women are always in competitionwith each other.
Even when they are always incompetition with each other even
when they're not in competition.
Wes (36:48):
But she's married to her ex-husband yeah, yeah, so
because she's married.
DeLaw (36:57):
So so the person who wrote the article, her
ex-husband, is married to somerando chick, right?
Wes (37:06):
not rando.
They did yeah, basically, andthen they became friends.
DeLaw (37:08):
They became friends, right?
That's where the first problemwas you should never became
friends not not that type offriends, exactly, exactly.
Wes (37:22):
You keep your ass on the outer circle and we talk.
We're cordial, we might do somethings together, but I ain't
letting you know personal shit.
DeLaw (37:31):
Then the husband gives you a hall pass.
Wes (37:33):
Okay, that's crazy.
DeLaw (37:34):
That's already crazy.
He out here cranking shit too.
I don't even mean that.
Okay, that's crazy, that'salready crazy, that's already
crazy he out here cranking shittoo.
Wes (37:41):
Nah, it don't even mean that.
It could just mean that he acuck and he like to sit in the
chair in the corner while guysdo his wife and he sit there
with his dick in his hand.
That could be a thing.
Yeah, that could be a thing.
There's no way I'm gonna belike telling my wife like yeah,
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you get a hall pass.
Here's the thing even if I saidthat and she acted on it, it's
done, because it's like why youwanna act on that right because,
the way I see it, there's nowoman.
DeLaw (38:14):
A woman might give you a hall pass, but there's no woman.
That's going to be like well,you know what?
There's someone oh well, myhusband.
He fucked another chain.
Whatever, it's not that big ofa deal, Dudes ain't like that.
That means you opened your leg.
It's one thing if you just gotsomething hanging from you.
I'm not saying that guys areright for it, but I'm not saying
that guy's right for it.
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But I'm just saying we'reputting something in, but you
got to open up your legs and letsomebody get in you.
They got to get on top of youand a lot of times you're
probably enjoying it and it'slike I don't know if I want to
hear that I ain't ever giving mywife no hall pass.
Wes (38:52):
The unfortunate double standard is the reason why it
works is because if we were todo it, our wife or whoever can
always chalk it up to oh, thatbitch was a hoe.
If they were to do it, they thehoe.
It's just not going to work.
The same reason why that chickwould be a hoe if I did it,
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because it was just something Ifucked.
We don't want to look at youthe same way.
So I don't want to look atsomebody that I'm dealing with
like, oh bitch, did some hoeshit.
You know what I mean.
Like I don't want to look at.
Look at it that way.
So it's like her first mistakewas like being that buddy, buddy
, like yo, like that's your oldwork, like, nah, I'm not even
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even if, even if I found it oddthat that might be her ex, don't
care, and I'm not doing it togive back.
It probably just happened.
But the but the strange thingis I'm like what are the odds of
that?
It's her old, it's her, her oldpiece of work that just
happened to to uh, you know,message you.
That sounds like you're stillin contact.
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That guy found you and he waslike yo, I'm going to make
someone so mad.
That's what that sounds like.
DeLaw (40:07):
That's exactly what it sounds like.
Wes (40:09):
But first of all it's just not.
I understand the friend thing,but she didn't know that was her
ex until whatever.
So it doesn't really matter.
But if like, like, if I knewone as guy code or whatever,
like typically don't go behind.
This is crazy.
(40:29):
If the chick is a hoe, she's ahoe, right, you ain't really
going behind your friend back.
But if he was like romanticallyinvolved, might have some kids
with her and stuff like that,you still shouldn't.
But if you felt inclined, youare supposed to say, hey, I'm
thinking about, or this you know, might move in this situation,
and your friend at that time hasevery right to be like yay or
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nay and he has every right totreat you a certain type of way
if you go forward either way,even if he said yeah, because
it's kind of gonna be like yo,why you gotta be like, you know
what I mean.
Like, come on now.
DeLaw (41:05):
It's a tricky situation, but you know that once it's the
ex-wife that's, that is herex-husband and she's like all
right yeah, I, um, especially.
Wes (41:20):
We got all past.
Why am I, why am I letting youknow anything?
You, you, you married and happywith my, with my ex-husband not
that you took him away from me,but like you're, like you're
happy, you shouldn't even haveeyes.
The fact that you want me to toto check in with you, even even
after we realized that it wasprior to me knowing that's the
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thing that that sounds like thatlady's still fucking him it's
like you want me to check inwith you about somebody who's
not your husband.
DeLaw (41:56):
Just some.
Just some fling.
He was fucking you know someold fling of yours.
You know what I'm saying.
Wes (42:04):
That lady is still messing with that dude.
DeLaw (42:07):
Yeah, she is.
Wes (42:08):
That's what that sounds like, because why block him?
It doesn't really matter.
You should have been blockedhim.
I'm married now, that's whatyou should have been did, but
the fact that she got a hallpass, that means you know that's
the only way I see you knowwhat I'm saying.
DeLaw (42:24):
That's the only way I see you being mad about it.
Or, oh, you gotta check in withme.
I gotta check in with you aboutwho I'm fucking and you married
.
That means I mean honestly,like you said.
All that means I mean honestly,like you said, all that really
means is that, that's your hallpass fling.
That's what that is.
Wes (42:44):
Yeah, that's what that's starting to sound like.
DeLaw (42:46):
It's your hall pass fling .
And now you're a littlebothered that your hall pass
fling ends up being you know, myjank, you know what I'm saying.
Well, you know, my jank, youknow what I'm saying.
Well, you know, you got tocheck in because you know, if my
husband give me a hall pass, Idon't want him to feel like he
got to choose between me and you.
No, first of all, when you do ahall pass, why are you going
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back to the same motherfuckerevery time?
It's a hall pass, for a reason.
Wes (43:14):
Hypothetically, allegedly, allegedly, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
, it's a hall pass.
DeLaw (43:20):
for a reason, you're going to go back to the same
penis every time because it'sconvenient.
What the dang again forrelationship, and it wasn't.
Wes (43:28):
Oh, just think if you got a .
But just outside of that, justthink if you got a hall pass,
and then that shit was trash.
You're going to want a do-over,Mm-hmm.
And you're not going to get ado-over.
You're like hey, bitch, thatwas your whole past.
You're not getting a do-over,You're like fuck.
So sometimes you got to go tofuck her over live.
DeLaw (43:48):
See, I don't trust the theory of a whole past.
I do With a whole past, Okayyeah, not for my woman, no.
Not with my woman.
No, that means if my wife canjust as quickly find somebody
like that and fuck them, thatmeans you've been talking to
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this nigga a whole lot more thanwhat you're saying.
Wes (44:17):
Yeah, that's very true, but you're thinking that's the
person that you're saying yeah,that's very true, but you're
thinking, like, that's theperson that you should call.
Like, you know what's going on,you've been scoping it out.
DeLaw (44:25):
I'm like it's you.
Wes (44:30):
Even if it wasn't random guy.
DeLaw (44:31):
You met at the bar and you smashed him like that, like,
come on, that means now you gota whole bunch of tendencies.
Did I marry the right personthat you could just go out to
the bar and just say I just wantto fuck something.
My husband gave me a whole pass.
I'm going to fuck it Like what?
I can't, no, no, that's dead.
(44:57):
All right.
I can't no, nope, that's deadAlright.
Wes (45:02):
I just thought of something Like is it okay?
So let's just say yo, boom,what do you think is worse in a
woman's eyes?
Like she's?
Like yo, I gave you a hall passright In your head.
You're like, alright, bet, I'mgonna go fuck with so-and-so off
of OnlyFans.
You think whoever your woman oryour wife will be like you know
(45:23):
what, Never fucking mind, nevermind, never mind, because you
already been paying.
Let's just say yo, you, thattype of nigga You've been paying
the monthly fee of saying Idon't know I'm trying to think
of a name, but I don't know nonames.
I'm just Scorpio 2000, likebusting it wide for like monthly
and you know, you paying your$10, you tipping her extra 10, a
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squirt on the camera and shitlike that.
You're like you know what, Iwould like to have a piece of
that pussy.
Do you think if you'resignificant other ass like yo,
so did you go through with it?
Isn't anybody I know?
Do you think you should beinclined to say, hey, now's the
check off only for us?
Would that fuck up?
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Would that fuck up yoursituation even more?
Or do you think it's safe tosay it was some chick I met at I
don't know the ice skating rinkor some shit like that no
matter what.
DeLaw (46:22):
It don't matter what chick it was.
It could have been the nice,friendly chick from you don't
think the OnlyFans?
Wes (46:28):
shit hurt might hit the heart, shit I do see women those
are professional whores, so youthink she ain't gonna be
thinking in the back of her headlike damn did she?
DeLaw (46:43):
how many nuts did she suck out of him at one time,
like when she said she wouldn'tthink that I'm saying women,
they'll give you a hall pass andthen they want to see what the
woman looks like.
They want to know if you, justif, pass, and then they want to
see what the woman looks like.
They want to know if you, just,if you just fucking something,
just to fuck something in as anugly bitch, they'd be like, all
right, yeah, that bitch was uglyanyway, I told that that goes
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back to what I said.
Wes (47:09):
They just like they're going to already classify her as
a hoe.
So I was like why not just goto the hoes?
Right, but then let it be doneright, so I don't have to think
about another whole phase and Itake that now.
DeLaw (47:20):
But the only issue with that is is now, with that, with
that, you end up now trying to.
I guess, once you, once you, oh, she was just a ho.
Now they're like oh, so you'rejust fucking hoes now.
(47:41):
That's a whole otherexplanation.
I just don't think women reallydon't know what they want, but
they're going oh, here's yourhall pass, do whatever you want
to do.
As soon as you tell them thatyou were with a ho or OnlyFans
in their head, I can't keep upwith that.
She probably did some shit thatI ain't never heard of.
(48:03):
They be in their own heads, butI don't know, I don't know,
it's a tough one.
Wes (48:16):
I know my wife, she not, she doesn't.
Yours not giving me a pass,yours not giving you a pass,
mine not giving me a pass, it'snot, it's not gonna happen.
But I think if, like anothermulti verse universe type
situation, if mine gave me apass I'm definitely not saying
that, she was from only fans,definitely not saying that and
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you gonna have to pay for theshit, and she was from OnlyFans
Definitely not saying that, andyou had to pay for the shit.
So it's just kind of like Ibetter wear that motherfucker
out.
DeLaw (48:45):
I'm about to say look, you might only have one time.
Wes (48:49):
Oh, I'm going to have one.
Yeah, shit, but hey, I'm aboutto say, shout out to them.
DeLaw (48:58):
So your advice for the young lady is if you think you
need to really justify it to her, then clearly they ain't your
friend.
I mean, that's how I look at ityeah, she's not thinking
rationally.
Wes (49:15):
It's different if it was just like oh, I knew that's who
that was, so I went out thereand he came out to me.
So if you block him, that'sfine and and, to be honest, like
it's like yo, were you fuckedup at.
My advice is were you fucked upat?
My advice is keep your romanticshit private.
If you do consider her yourfriend, you guys consider her
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your friend, you guys consideryourselves friends.
No matter how weird I mightthink, it seems to be the best
thing to do if y'all are friends, if you don't want to see your
friends hurt, you know youapologize what you did already
and just change your behavior,which you did already.
You cut it off on them and shit.
But from now on, keep yourromantic shit private, because
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that's how she is and also it'skind of like yo.
Here's another thing in thistype of situation, right, you
wouldn't think that you're um,you as his, as that child's mom,
as that child, as that mom, asthat child's mom.
You don't think you, you willwant to talk to your ex-husband
like yo, you just letting hertake her pussy out on the town,
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like how is that going to affectyou?
right because my kid is stillstaying, you know.
I mean, my child is stillstaying at the house and shit
like that.
So it's kind of like what doyou think you can handle?
You can handle that.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, is there going to bearguing in the house?
DeLaw (50:40):
I don't think they thought that far.
Come on now.
Wes (50:46):
If the roles were reversed and it was.
If it was, yeah, then my homiewas like yo, no, I found out, my
ex-wife gave her husband a pass.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Now?
Y'all going to break up and nowI'm going to have the kid full
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time.
You ain't going to have a placeto live and I'm not paying more
in child support.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not doing that.
What are you doing?
So that's exactly what's goingto happen they're going to break
up.
If the roles were reversed, Itold them to ask my wife like yo
, what are you doing?
Nah, I think I should do that.
She's going to get in herfeelings.
She's going to get mad.
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He might try his hand more thanonce.
DeLaw (51:31):
I mean, well, we knew that she was going to be in her,
he was going to be in her, hewas going to be in it.
Like when you get home past,you got to be a.
It's almost like someone saying, hey, we want to start being
swingers.
Wes (51:43):
It's like there's a very.
There's a very select, notselect.
There's a very small ratio ofpeople that can handle that.
I know I'm not one of them.
DeLaw (51:51):
I ain't one of them, because I'd be like the dude who
was on social media talkingabout something.
He put the option of swinger inhis wife's head and then, when
it started, when it happened, hethought he was doing something.
But then she over there.
Wes (52:08):
Swinging.
DeLaw (52:11):
Getting down, down and she was like she was making
noises that she never made withme.
Wes (52:17):
There's no way.
There is no fucking To somepeople that shit turns them on.
There is no way.
DeLaw (52:26):
Nah, ain't no way If I'm hearing my wife screaming like
that dude is giving her the bestsex of her life.
Nah, we ain't doing that.
Nah, no, sir, the best sex ofher life, Nah we ain't doing
that Nah, who's that Hell?
Wes (52:45):
no.
DeLaw (52:47):
My anxiety ain't built that way.
Wes (52:49):
It's not the anxiety, it's probably just the rage for me,
I'd be catching a murder chargeat that point.
I don't want to catch a murdercharge.
That's why I'm just like youknow what nah, nah, nah, nah,
nah.
It would definitely all thesmizzle, it would definitely be
rage.
I don't know man if.
Listen, lady, keep yourromantic life private from this
(53:18):
lady.
Continue to be friends and itis what it is.
You shouldn't even know thatthere's a fucking hall.
Pass Y'all just weird.
That's just a weird thing.
DeLaw (53:25):
I understand y'all close and y'all besties and shit, but
Because it almost sounded likeit was like oh, she got a hall
pass for me to fuck myex-husband.
That's what I thought you weregoing with Nah, nah, nah, nah
nah.
Wes (53:37):
A new wife or new person has a hall pass from a lady's
ex-husband.
DeLaw (53:43):
In her head she's like wait, you gave this bitch a hall
pass.
You ain't never give me no hallpass, nigga, I don't think
they're worried about that.
Wes (53:49):
Yeah, I wouldn't.
I don't know, man, I'd likethat, but think about the reason
that you give somebody a hallpass.
I would think right.
And I would think if a man isgiving a woman a hall pass, he
can't perform somehow some way,right?
DeLaw (54:10):
see, I wouldn't even say that if you're giving your wife
a hall pass, what else are yougiving her a hall pass for?
That's what the she was for thestreets nah, you gonna just be
for the streets then.
Wes (54:18):
I.
Are you giving her a hall pass?
For that's what the?
Because you knew she was forthe streets.
Nah, you're going to just befor the streets then?
I'm not giving you a fuckinghall.
I'm not staying married tosomebody that's for the streets.
DeLaw (54:25):
You never know.
Wes (54:26):
I mean because no, I know this sounds like a white woman.
You never know, that causes alittle bit of.
So listen, you're right, Idon't know that mindset, but I
can say well, I would think myopinion it would be erectile
dysfunction, small meat, or helikes to be a cook, a couple of
(54:54):
those things can be solved.
The cook thinguck thing is just, it is what it is.
You know what I mean.
But the erectile dysfunction,you know that could be reversed.
A small meat hey, I hear theygot prosthetics now.
So you want to dig your wifeout like?
DeLaw (55:12):
that A prosthetic dick.
Wes (55:13):
Yeah, you strap on a dick on your dick, double dick,
double dick in her, damn, like.
If you on a dick on your dick,double dick, double dick in or
down, like, if you want to dothat, hey, hey, double dick or
down.
But, um, lord, yo, yeah.
Shout out to her, shout out toBova.
(55:37):
Shout out to Bova, though.
Shout out to the one that getsto take her pussy out to her.
Shout out to Bovado.
Shout out to Bovado.
Shout out to the one that getto take her pussy out on
vacation.
And shout out to the other lady, like yo, like, keep your shit
private.
You, you, you, and take solacein the fact that you're no
longer with a guy that will wantto give you a hall pass.
DeLaw (55:55):
I mean, from the sounds of it she ain't never give, he
ain't never you a hall pass.
I mean, from the sounds of it,he ain't never give no hall pass
on her.
He just said nah, bitch, youcome.
Wes (56:03):
Nah, maybe they broke up, maybe that's the ex, because he,
you know, he needed a doubledick.
Or, like Eric told us oh, hewanted to be a cuck and she was
like I'm not fucking bringinganother man in the fucking
bedroom.
I mean not another man, that'seven crazier.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not bringinganother man into a bedroom, I'm
not letting another man fuck me,so.
(56:24):
But that's how that shit startout.
So she probably get a hall passto go fuck another guy, but he
only, he only give it this, thepart that we won't know.
He only giving her that hallpass so she can tape it and he
can watch it later and then beatoff in the basement or some
shit like that.
DeLaw (56:42):
That'd be crazy.
Wes (56:44):
That happens all the time.
DeLaw (56:45):
That would be crazy.
Wes (56:47):
You don't think it happens all the time.
Look, because he, probablybecause he also I'm making a
whole universe out of thesepeople's situation.
I'm like, but shit like thathappens all the time.
On that note, keep your circleas small as a dot, like I do.
(57:10):
You wanna have these problems?
And yeah, thank everybody forcoming in.
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