When Life Hands You Bills, There's A Wife Involved

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Wes and DeLaw tackle the financial pressures of modern life, from the shocking $80 price tag for pay-per-view boxing matches to the complex question of whether one spouse should pay for another's $73,000 student loan debt.

• Boxing pay-per-view events now cost $80 regardless of Amazon Prime membership status
• The concept of "stressed man strength" versus the traditional idea of "old man strength" 
• Heated debate about whether pre-existing student debt becomes shared responsibility in marriage
• Exploration of the viral "mediocrity" conversation about career standards and dating preferences
• Personal grocery shopping experiences revealing inflation's impact—nearly $300 spent in one day
• Practical approaches to handling sudden wealth like lottery winnings
• Real estate strategies for maximizing home investment versus enjoying quality of life
• Changing financial priorities when facing rising costs and economic uncertainty

Episode Transcript

DeLaw (00:00):
It'll be there when it's time.
What?

Wes (00:04):
I ain't never even thought of that.
I didn't even know that waswords that you can put together.
It'll be there in that second.
Yo, I either have it or I don'tLike.
If I don't, I don't Everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof the According to Wes podcast
.
As always, we got D-Law here.

DeLaw (00:23):
We got D-Law here, d-law.
We almost didn't lose.
We didn't lose by a lot ofpoints yesterday.

Wes (00:33):
Oh my gosh man, Y'all still losing, yeah, still losing.

DeLaw (00:37):
We lost by four or five yesterday.

Wes (00:39):
You got me Wes Yo.
When you win, when you guysfinally win, you got to come on
energetic.
You got to do a whole WWEannouncement.

DeLaw (00:53):
We won by four feet against.

Wes (00:54):
When y'all win it, I officially win a game due to
skill.

DeLaw (01:00):
Well, you know, I also have Mrs Smith with an F here.

Wes (01:05):
Okay Me and her who else yeah.
Yeah.

DeLaw (01:12):
She just waited.
She was like hey, what up nigga.

Wes (01:18):
So the fight right.
So I forgot what I was going toask you.
You said he was pretty muchgetting outboxed.
He was the aggressor.
Roach was the aggressor.
I forgot what I was about toask about Davis dang.
I lost my train of thought whenyou said I lost again.
Oh, that's what I was going toask.

(01:42):
So I don't have cable TV.
Is there a way to watchpay-per-view without cable tv,
like the showtime app orsomething like that?

DeLaw (01:50):
it was on amazon prime that was on prime but you had to
pay 80 bucks for it, regardlessof the description level.

Wes (01:56):
Yeah, that's fine.
I don't know if that's fine.
Hey, yo remember back in theday, 50, when you were younger,
like you would hear your unclesor whoever say $50 and that was
too much.

DeLaw (02:05):
80 is crazy yeah, 80 is crazy and I already pay you 15
to $25 depending on my account,and you want me to pay you 80
for the fight.
Listen.

Wes (02:16):
I'm piggybacking off my sister, we piggybacking off my
sister, and it might be one ofthose things I might just say yo
tell my wife toss her thewhatever the next time this shit
on prime.

DeLaw (02:29):
I wouldn't if I had the money.
But if it was, if you haveAmazon Prime, whatever your
membership you pay for thatmonth will take that off of what
you for the fight.

Wes (02:40):
It doesn't that way no, it doesn't, oh my gosh.
I would have been like, I wouldhave been like alright, oh, it
doesn't that way.
No, it doesn't, oh my gosh.
You know how many people wouldsign up if that was the case.

DeLaw (02:46):
Because then I would have been like, I'd have been like
all right, who want to come over?
Just throw me 10 bucks.
All I need is about five, sixfigures over here.
Listen, it'd be the episode ofBoom, we Gucci, we could have
watched it.

Wes (03:06):
It'd be the episode of Martin all over again where he
couldn't even see the damn fight.
Bro man got his feet on hiscounter, his kitchen counter,
and shit respect my house.
Yeah, man, I'm a casual watcherat best.
Same thing with the UFC casualwatcher at best.
Not that I'm not interested in,casual watcher at best, not

(03:26):
that I'm not interested in anyof that stuff.
I never know when the fights goon unless somebody say yo, come
to the house, I'm going to havefood.
You know I make my way overthere.
Or if I ain't doing nothing,most of the time I'm just like
yo, I'm tired, I don't even wantto.
You know what I mean, what youknow what I mean.
But like what's on the fight?
The fights come on like late atnight.
I was in bed by 10.

DeLaw (03:44):
The main event don't come on until almost 12.

Wes (03:46):
Yeah, yeah.
So I was in bed by 10 onlybecause I was up early as fuck
Friday morning.
So my shit thrown all the wayoff.

DeLaw (03:55):
See, I didn't mind the Shakur Stevens fight last week
because it was in Saudi Arabia,so it came on at 1.
So Shakur Stevens fought atlike 330.

Wes (04:03):
Didn't even know.
Didn't even know how was thathe lost the tank.
For Christ's sake.

DeLaw (04:12):
No, he didn't fall tank yet.

Wes (04:14):
I thought they fought.
Oh, you know what I'm thinkingof.
I'm thinking of what was thelast tank fight.
I'm thinking of when he?

DeLaw (04:22):
fought Ghost.
Nah, I'm thinking of when hefought Goose.

Wes (04:27):
Nah, I'm thinking about Ryan.
Oh, Garcia, Garcia.
That's what I'm thinking of.

DeLaw (04:32):
Yeah, honestly, you know what's funny about that fight,
because you know Baltimore.
Oh yeah, no, you know, he wasjust sizing him up.

Wes (04:40):
I said nah Garcia was out boxing, he was working on him
and that one I seen a lot ofjust by clips and stuff like
that and it looked like he wasgetting work.

DeLaw (04:48):
Oh, no, he was getting work, but I mean once he had
started, so once he had sort offigured out, figured him out and
he started stalking him aroundthe ring and putting him on the
ropes and he started giving himthem body shots to the liver,
that really took him, thatGarcia down.
It wasn't that he outboxedGarcia, he hit him with that
shot.
You know you get hit in theliver one too many times.

(05:10):
I don't want to experience thatman, that shit goes to your
knees.
I don't want to.
You can't breathe it hasn'thappened.

Wes (05:18):
I don't want it to happen, but I've heard the horror
stories.

DeLaw (05:21):
Oh, you know that, don't feel it don't feel right Once
you get hit in your liver.
You don't feel right, like youcan't like you're like like it
burns.
Yeah, I don't want to witnessthat.
And then you want to get in itand it's a delayed signal too,
cause it's like you get hit andyou're like, oh, all right, that

(05:43):
wasn't that bad.
But then all of a sudden you'relike, oh shit, damn, it's like
almost like a five to ten seconddelay before your brain
realized you were hitting yourliver.
Shit.
It is a tough thing to get hitin.

Wes (06:06):
Worse than a dick.
Yeah, I don't know man, I gothit in the dick a couple times.

DeLaw (06:15):
That one goes straight to your stomach.

Wes (06:17):
Nah Yo, I got hit so bad eyes water.
These buckle eyes water, kneesbuckle eyes watered.
I was like, oh no, oh man, jeezLouise About to cry just
thinking about that shit.
But yeah, man, yeah.

DeLaw (06:42):
I'm not paying $80.
Yeah, no, I wasn't either.
Like it would have to be Tysonin his prime going up against so
$80.

Wes (06:51):
So you spend $80 around and this is like yeah it's kind of
like how the Ronda Rousey yeah,they did the same thing and they
was fools for it.

DeLaw (07:03):
yeah, but you know what it was was a must-see of Tyson.
You had to see Tyson becauseyou wanted him to knock somebody
out.
Yeah, he was like yo, he wantto knock this dude out in the
second round.
He come out there.
He get out there at 11 o'clock.
He done at 11.05.

Wes (07:21):
Already getting the lines of cocaine ready for him in the
limo, like have my rails remade,because once I'm done, I'm done
.

DeLaw (07:30):
Once I'm done, I'm done.
You get out there.
Oh, and he's down and it's over.
He look like all right.
Well, they give you my 15 mil.
All right, do my interview.
Let me get back, shower.
Take these gloves off me.
Let's get out of here, shoutout to Mike.

Wes (07:50):
I'm still mad I didn't get to see that his one man, his one
man show.
Yeah, when they came to the MGM.
Yeah, I think right before then, or I think COVID had stopped
it or something like that, andthat was it.
I thought it was after COVIDwas it after COVID, I don't

(08:10):
remember.
I know I wanted to see it and Ididn't get to go see it.
Only I talked about this before.
The only time I've been in thatand it's a good theater was to
see Marlon.
Wayans was he funny?
He was alright.
I talked about this before theonly time I've been in that and
it's a good theater.

DeLaw (08:28):
It was to see Marlon Wayans Was he funny, he was
alright.

Wes (08:33):
I mean, it was just kind of like, you know, like date night
type thing, something to dowith my wife and shit Right.
And I wanted to check out thetheater, like the whole setup is
nice, the sound system is nice,the little bar area is nice, I
would like to go see and dothings.

(08:53):
Uh, I just gotta check theirschedule, their spring and
summer schedule and shit.

DeLaw (08:55):
But it's a nice little day night thing I think the trip
you're right by here, so it's,it's a little.
It's a little closer to you.
I gotta plan that out yeah.

Wes (09:08):
I would say let's just say if you and wifey was to plan
that out, stay in VA, don't staydown there, stay in VA.
You can go right across thebridge.
Well, y'all can go right acrossthe bridge and you know, you
got some reasonable pricerestaurants there.
Go to do the event at the, youknow, at the casino proper.

(09:30):
That's how I would do it me us.
We can just go home.

DeLaw (09:34):
You know what I mean there's a one of them over there
in GM.

Wes (09:40):
Oh yeah, yeah y'all should be good.
Yeah, it's a good littlesituation when um in the summer,
they do, um in the summer theydo a um in the summer, they do
I'm thinking white thing they doa wine festival, they do a um,
they do a bunch of stuff.
Like, if y'all plan that outcorrectly, since I got the uh
time share, it's good little.
You know good little two-daything that makes sense.

(10:07):
Good little two-day thing.
I remember one time I stayed atthe girl's at the time like her
uncle.
Somebody had a time share so wewas in that thing.
I think they got like apenthouse.
We weren't in the penthouse,but we was on one of the things.
We could see the fireworks fromthe Wyndham, like over the

(10:27):
water and stuff like that, andthat was pretty cool.
The hotel party.

DeLaw (10:33):
Yeah, because I wouldn't mind doing like a weekend stay
down at MGM in the Wyndham andjust going down there, right
there by Virginia, so we can goright across the bridge, go to
Virginia.
I say I'm just going down there, we're right there by Virginia,
so we can go right across thebridge.

Wes (10:49):
Go to Virginia.
I say, whenever y'all do it, dothe boat taxi, because that's
going to be nice.
Do that Y'all will have been atthe casino.
Not just to kind of go betweenVA and Old Town, alexandria,
like that area right therethere's a.
Just to kind of go between VAand Old Town, arlington, old
Town, alexandria, like that area.
Right there there's a I forgetthe name of the restaurant, but

(11:12):
it's a nice restaurant overthere as soon as you get off the
boat, nice little place to walkaround and shit like that.
Yeah, do all that stuff.
You're going to come out.
You're going to spend somebread On extracurriculars.

DeLaw (11:23):
You're going to spend some bread but it's going to be
a nice little situation.
I don't think there's a Wyndhamin DC, but we have access to a
hotel down there that we want toreally just stay for like.
Let's say, we just was like youknow what, let's just stay in
DC for a week for like 400, somenice one down there.

(11:45):
Yeah, I would do that for, like, if we decided to do like the
margarita march or something.

Wes (11:54):
What is that?

DeLaw (11:56):
You know, the last week, the last Saturday, sunday and
April go to like eight differentplaces.
You get one free margarita.
You gotta walk it, but it butpay like maybe 40 bucks.
I think the most I've ever paidwas like in dc never heard of
the first year I went it waslike their second or third year

(12:18):
doing it.
So we were on u street.
So we, I'm, I, went to me, meand uh, me and my boy went to
all the ones on U Street in thatarea.
We didn't go down to DuPont.
The next year we went, we tookmore people with us I think
there was two on U Street and arestaurant on DuPont and the

(12:39):
third and last time we went,everything was in DuPont.

Wes (12:44):
Listen, the way things are going in DC, I don't know.
Yeah, man, it sounds like I saythat every year.
This year has just been theworst, the way things are going
in DC.

DeLaw (12:58):
I mean, you know President Musk, you know what
I'm saying.
He out here trying to ripthings to shreds.

Wes (13:03):
Nah, I ain't talking about that.
I'm just talking about crime,crime, crime and crime.
But you know, I don't know Someof that stuff.
To be honest, like you know,you hear the crime right, but I
grew up in DC in the 90s, soit's kind of like is this any
different from what I've seen asa kid or what I'm hearing as a

(13:25):
kid?

DeLaw (13:26):
I'm like I don't know, I lived in DC in the early 90's
and I mean, depending on whereyou are, you still got to sleep
under your bed you still got tosleep under your bed.

Wes (13:38):
I ain't listening, I don't know about that.
You still going to hear thatpop, pop pop every night?

DeLaw (13:43):
oh yeah, all the time it ain't nothing different at all.
I mean, I tell you, we live ina Section 8 basement apartment.
You know what I'm saying.
If it rained, that motherfuckerflooded.
So imagine the laundry room isdirectly ahead of your apartment
.
Yeah, Water coming righttowards you.

(14:04):
You're like damn, ain't thatsome shit, that we're in the
basement and you know listen.

Wes (14:14):
I only select.
People from the area will knowwhat these names mean, because
one of the names ain't calledthe place, ain't called that, no
more.
But I stayed in when I waslittle little, stayed in wingate
, which is southwest.
A lot of people don't likeeastover area.
It ain't even called wingate,no more.
I don't know what it's called.

(14:35):
I drove past it the other dayand then for a little bit most
of my childhood stayed in clayterrace.
That's still clay terrace isstill clay terrace.

DeLaw (14:44):
Y'all know what that is Because Wingate is off of it.
Mlk yeah, and then shit.

Wes (14:55):
And then Minnesota Avenue Stone Ridge Apartments I think
it's still called Stone RidgeApartments by Kimbo Elementary
Fort Dupont Park.
Stayed in that area Close toBenning Road.
Y'all know what Benning Road is, so y'all know that shit.
In a sec Boom, I'm right offMinnesota.

DeLaw (15:11):
So it sounds like y'all moved from Southwest, southwest
to Northeast, yeah that's it.

Wes (15:17):
That's literally what happened, and then PG County.
So it was just like yo, I done,seen some things, I done, met
in some things.
You talking shit to an old manDo you believe in old man
strength?

DeLaw (15:36):
I believe in stressed out man strength.
There you go.

Wes (15:42):
I'm glad we are on the same page because I'm like we are on
the same page because I'm likeyo.
Some of these old men don'tlook like they have that old man
strength that I keep hearingabout, but I think there's a lot
of men out here that be like yo.
I ain't with the bullshit.
I'm just ready to use thisstrength on somebody, not this
strength and stress on somebody.
I'm ready to unwind andde-stress and you gonna be the

(16:05):
motherfucker.

DeLaw (16:06):
Yeah, because they know what ends up happening is
whether it's kids or whatever,older young adults, you know
whatever.
A lot of times once you get upthere, up in age, like around
where we are, we already haveall this shit that's going on in
our lives.
You know, you're about 20, 25.
You ain't got but so much.
You're like, damn, I got tofind a job, I got to do this, I

(16:26):
got this chick I'm trying totake out.
You ain't got too much stress.
But once you get up there andyou're like, damn, these bills,
this house, this this, this job,fuck this, fuck that, fuck
everybody.
You know what I'm saying.
You can be that onemotherfucker.
He just mad because you stuckon the shoe.
He's mad about one thing.
You ain't mad about it, you madabout all this other shit.
You just hit it with the, the,the, the punch of a thousand

(16:50):
other things.

Wes (16:51):
That's bothering me, you know and now, at that point,
it's like I didn't knock you outthe shoes.

DeLaw (16:56):
I stepped on little niggas and then you know,
depending on how stressed outand frustrated you are, you
might get all the time and juststart pounding them, Just like I
told you to stop fucking withme at work.
They're like wait, nigga.

Wes (17:08):
I don't work, we ain't at work, we on a train.
Like I didn't listen, I was ona train or something like that.
I'm like yo that bitch.
Everybody moved like threeseats away from that nigga.

DeLaw (17:19):
After that happened Like nah happen like nah, and I told
you go in your goddamn room andwatch what them bitches do like
whoa, whoa, like.
Is that his kid?
I thought he just said heworked with them like buddy
going through some things.

Wes (17:39):
Buddy going through some things.
Listen to this, so maybe he'sgoing through.
Hypothetically speaking, thismade up man that we just talked
about dealing with his wife's73k debt from college and he,

(18:02):
like this motherfucker, want meto pay all this shit.

DeLaw (18:06):
I feel like there's a story coming on behind us.
It is as the music plays, youknow, like that music in the
back when, uh, everyone, I gottatell you a story like oh yeah,
the dream sequence was yeah yeah.

Wes (18:23):
So, guy, his wife wants him .
His wife, uh like accumulatinglike $73,000 in debt from
majoring in communicationstudies.
So he says she's beenunsuccessful in her career.
She has been mostly doingcustomer service, like older
phone type jobs.

(18:43):
She doesn't make a lot.
She currently makes $17 an hourand she tries to look for
higher paying jobs but isunsuccessful.
She has only paid $2,000 of itherself.
She wants me to pay her studentloan debt.
Her argument is that we aremarried, so it's my debt too.
I disagree.
Is that we are married, so it'smy debt too?

(19:04):
I disagree.
I don't think I'm responsiblefor paying someone else's debt,
especially before I met her.
We're going crazy over this.
I don't even make enough myself.
I am the breadwinner.
However, I make only theaverage amount of our state.
I don't have student loan debt,but I do have other debt, like

(19:25):
I pay for our cars and ourcredit cards and we split some
of the bills.
I just don't know where to meether in the middle on this.
I just really don't want to payher student loans.
She should have just picked abetter major.
Her degree is just so useless,especially where we live, and

(19:50):
she doesn't even want to doanything communication or media
related.
She originally wanted to domarketing but got bored of it
and she was just really bad atit.
She was just really bad at it.
Can she get a teachingcertificate with a bachelor's
degree?
I know teachers that don't makethat much money, but it'll

(20:17):
likely be more than what she'smaking right now.
How would you handle that man?
It ain't tough to me, but Iwant to hear.

DeLaw (20:35):
I want to hear what you got to say, because this is his
wife, right yep, it's his wifeit's a tough one because I'm
trying to figure out how do Ifile these separation papers,
because we just noticed you'retrying to give me the pay your
bills, thank you.
You better get an idr oh badincome driven thing and you

(21:01):
start paying that thing back for10 years.
I hope they forget this.
Shit, shit.
What the fuck you mean Whitepeople for you?
I mean, I'm not saying theperson is white, but it sounds
like some white shit.

Wes (21:12):
I have no idea.

DeLaw (21:15):
She acquired that debt.
Same thing we said how were youpaying that debt before man?

Wes (21:21):
She probably wasn't.
I let her go to jail, sorry,not.

DeLaw (21:30):
I let her go to collections.

Wes (21:32):
Fuck your brother up, yeah can't you file student loans,
you can't file for bankruptcyand then go off right, that's
the only thing that they want.

DeLaw (21:42):
It's only through your.
Only everything else.
They were Only everything else.
Yeah, they gonna get that.

Wes (21:51):
They gonna get that money.
73 is wild.

DeLaw (21:55):
Mine's about 73.
Huh, mine's about 73.

Wes (21:59):
Fuck man, I did mine, the old hustling as pimping way.
I talked about it before Iain't pimping no hoes but I just
worked really, really fuckinghard not to have it.
I worked full time and went toschool full time and let the
organization pay for it.

(22:20):
But they was doing tuitionreimbursement so I had to come
up with the money.
So I just put the shit on acredit card and grew my credit.
Yeah, I told you, I grew mycredit that way and then it was
just I was flipping that shit.
Then years later, boom.
Nah, listen, I know a lot ofpeople got a lot of student loan

(22:43):
debt.
My wife in particular has a lotof student loan debt.
This is really weird for me tohear.
But I'm not paying.
That I can't.
It's not right.
It's not fair to me.
Like, when do you, when doeswhen do she as an adult, take
accountability for yo, this iswhat you did.
Take accountability for yo,this is what you did.

(23:04):
Must be nice to feel like youcan just marry into a situation
and be like well, he'll takecare of her.
He's the man.
It's his debt too.
I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no.
My name ain't on that, so it'snot my debt, so I don't know.
Man, okay Listen, you've triedto help her get a better paying

(23:29):
job so she can pay this shitdown a little bit.
See way out there your options,like you were saying, but
there's no way he should bepaying that or he might put
something towards it, but shegonna have to.
Here's the thing I hate to bethis guy if I'm gonna put
something towards it, there'sgonna won't have to sack.
Here's the thing I hate to bethis guy If I'm going to put
something towards it, there'sgoing to be something that you
have to sacrifice.

(23:49):
That I'm already doing, if I'malready the breadwinner.
Maybe you don't get your hairdone as much.
Maybe we downgrade your car.
There's no way.
There's no way.
I'm paying for two cars and themortgage and we split some of
the bills, and you know theyain't splitting a lot of the
bills.
If she's making $17 an hour,what's she really paying?

DeLaw (24:12):
I need to get him a non-teenager.

Wes (24:17):
What?
Oh uh, dependents?
Nah, but that's just more moneyin taking care of a kid.
And what does this work?

DeLaw (24:25):
dependents.
Nah, but that's just more moneyin taking care of a kid and
putting this in work 73?

Wes (24:29):
So what?
You ain't getting a lot backfrom taxes.
You know what you say To helpput a dent in that.

DeLaw (24:36):
You know what you say to her.
Oh, you want me to pay part ofthis.
That means you need to go halfon every bill.

Wes (24:42):
She only making 17.
It don't matter.
It don't matter how much.

DeLaw (24:46):
You think I'm responsible because you said your debt is
my debt.
Guess what?
This mortgage is your mortgagetoo.
That HOA is your HOA too.

Wes (24:54):
Listen.
You know how we talked aboutthe.
What do you call that shit?
Damn it.
You know how we said the damnit.
Why am I losing my train ofthought um the double standard
of it all?
Like you know that there'sdouble standards that benefit us

(25:15):
.
We know that there's doublestandards that benefit them, and
it's just.
It is what it is.
You're not gonna get aroundthat.
She's not gonna.
She's not gonna go for that.
She's gonna be like you'resupposed to protect and provide.

DeLaw (25:24):
You know that's gonna come out next, right yeah, and
then when you tell her this, youcook clean, fuck and show her
she probably, let's just sayhypothetically, she does how
about it?
Let's just say, hypotheticallyshe does she out there stressed
out talking about some untime atwork probably so let's just say

(25:45):
, hypothetically she does.

Wes (25:45):
I was an owl, she got this stressed out, talking about some
untimely work.
So let's just right, probably.
So let's just say,hypothetically she does.
What more?
What could she?
What more could she do?
That D-Law would be like allright, you know what I'll
contribute to, I'll pay this.
What could she do for you?
To sweeten the pot for you?

DeLaw (26:03):
Listen to what I'm telling her.
What is she already doing atAnother job?

Wes (26:08):
Find a second job, do something, but she already
taking care of the house, that's, if she take care of the house.
Nah, I might have made that up.
She's not taking care of thehouse because she got a job
making $17 an hour, so she'sworking.
So you advise her to find asecond job, or you chat 17 an
hour, so she's working.

DeLaw (26:25):
So you advise her to find a second job.
Or you chat GPT and make yourresume sound better and get a
better paying job.
It's too much technology outhere at this point for I'm only
making $17.
I can't find another job.
What's your resume look like ifit says was cashier, morning

(26:46):
shift help customers in need.

Wes (26:51):
Yes, you deserve $17 an hour she was in marketing at one
point in time.
She found it boring, so she did.
That's why she don't do it youknow what you know.

DeLaw (27:02):
What's boring about marketing?
You don't make more money.
That's the only time it'sboring, because I don't know.
I don't know nobody inmarketing that's bored with
marketing, because they all makea hundred thousand to a million
dollars a year I'm gonna tellyou like this I know what
marketing, but I don't know whatmarketing does.

Wes (27:19):
For you to be like oh, I wanted to do marketing, but Well
, marketing is about as broad aslogistics.

DeLaw (27:26):
So there's different parts of marketing.
So you have your commercialmarketing with the way you make
advertising and stuff like that.
Yeah, you have marketing thatyou call people, go to their
doors.
That's considered marketing.
Then you have the people whocome up with the marketing plans

(27:47):
and ideas, stuff like that.
That's all considered marketingbecause it has to go through a
stage of everything.
Marketing is very I'm not notgonna say it's broadest
logistics, but it's pretty broaddepending on what you're doing.
Like when I was at mathnasium Idid marketing.
Like, so I would make flyersand advertisements, come up with

(28:09):
promotions, I would go to theschools, like that's all
considered marketing.
It doesn't necessarily give youany results until someone picks
up the phone and says, hey, Iwant to do something.
You know what I'm saying.
So marketing is acommission-based job where your
marketing is based on I mean,your pay is based on how well

(28:31):
you market it.

Wes (28:37):
I don't know.
A homie might be up the creekwithout a paddle with his woman
man she can go to a marketingfirm she said it was boring.
So here's the thing.
It's like yo, this is okay,this is where this is where,
like if I'm the rare winnerwhere I gotta kind of step up,
it's gonna be like look, if youwant this family or whatever to

(28:57):
have more, I need you to step upand fix the situation that you
created.
So that either means you dealwith the boring marketing job or
you get a second job.
But I will not.
I would not put myself in afinancial situation where I'm
paying your shit as well justbecause you don't want to find a

(29:18):
better job.

DeLaw (29:20):
Me and my wife.
We're at a point now where wesplit whatever bill we have to
split, that both of our namesare on, not just one.
If both our names are on it, wesplit that bill, no questions
asked.
No, whatever we split it.
If it's something that we haveindividually, that's on you yeah
, that's on us when we were inPanama we sat down for that

(29:45):
little time shift presentation.
The guy was like you know, yousure you can't squeeze out a
little bit more money that youcould go to these places and
these other?

Wes (29:54):
I was like yo, mama, am I doing fucking bad after I paid
my portion of it?
You could go to these placesand these other.

DeLaw (29:57):
I was like yo, mama, am I doing fucking bad?
I said no, After I paid myportion of it and he kind of
looked at me like you don't keeptrack of all the finance in the
house.
I said, no, I keep track of myfinances and how much.
She just needs to send me so Ican pay the bill.
He says, oh, you guys got atrue 50-50.
Y'all split whatever bills yournames are on and then anything

(30:18):
else after that is her money.
So if she decides to burn it,she burn it.
Here's the thing.

Wes (30:24):
Here's the thing, and this is between me and you.
We don't even have a true 50-50and I'm still checking on her
shit just to make sure, like yo,what are you really doing with
your money?
Because I'd be, I'd begoddamned if.
Are you really doing with yourmoney because I'll be, I'll be,
I'll be god damn.
If, uh, it's one of thosethings, like we talked before, I
was like yo, if something wasever happening to me, I want it

(30:47):
so difficult for your nextmotherfucker that you don't get
me I want that for her.
You know I know that soundsselfish, but it's like yo, like,
no, like I need you to hold.
I want to be able to hold youaccountable in all things, just
like I would want her to hold meaccountable.

(31:08):
So it's just one of thosethings where it's like I ain't
gonna never really let you slack.
Real, for real it's because Iain't saying that don't mean I
don't peep like oh, new pursecame up in this bitch, or you
ate out six times this week.
Wesley knows.

DeLaw (31:23):
I mean when they, women, just have a problem with
spending money.
They spend that money beforethey get.
I'm not saying my wife doesthat.
My wife, she's almost like me.
She gets her money, she paysher bills and whatever's left.
She's almost like me.
She gets her money, she paysher bills and whatever's left
she's going to spend it whereshe wants to spend it.

Wes (31:39):
Yeah, that's fine, I'm cool with that, that's cool with
that.

DeLaw (31:42):
I ain't got nothing to say about it.

Wes (31:44):
But see, here's the thing.
I also want you to pay yourbills.
Tuck some aside.
They don't do the tuckingenough for me.
You know what I mean.

DeLaw (31:52):
So, like my coworker, she gives a check and she already,
in her head, done, spent thewhole thing.
She's like oh yeah, I'm aboutto go to this restaurant in DC
and they said that it's probablygoing to be like $30, $40 a
plate for something.
Don't that look nice?
I said you ain't even been paidyet.

(32:13):
I mean, you know it'll be therewhen it's time.
What?
Listen, I ain't never pay.

Wes (32:17):
Yet I mean, you know like it'll be there when it's time.
What I never listen, I ain'tnever even thought of, I ain't
even know those words that youcan put together.
It'll be there.
In that I either have it or Idon't Like.
If I don't, I don't.

DeLaw (32:32):
But a lot of them, a lot of women, they spend money
before they get it, like whenthat check is about to hit.
They've already calculated howthey want to spend that money
and that's why a lot of timesthey can't.
Now, some don't do that.
They wait to get all this stuffand they live off of what they
still have.
Like my wife, she'll pay herstuff, she'll live off what she

(32:54):
has.
So if all she has is $100 leftto her name in two weeks, that's
what she's living off of.
She ain't like oh, my checkcoming in, so I'm going to go
ahead and buy this, this, this,this and this and then worry
about bills later, because a lotof people, a lot of people that
I work with, that's what theydo.
Yeah, oh, I'm going on a trip,I'm doing this, so what about

(33:15):
your bills?

Wes (33:17):
They'll be there.
I can honestly say that my wifeis mature in that way as well.
It's just that I don't know.
With me personally speaking,it's just like yo, if you got it
a little bit, tuck it away,because you never know.
When you have the flat tireYou're going to need flat tire

(33:37):
money.
You're going to need emergencymoney.
You're going to need like, oh,I actually need to actually send
my mom some money or some typeof shit like that.
Like and I guess it's a maybesome, maybe some women don't
look at it that way, but as aman, you should always look at
it that way, because they do.
People are going to look at youlike, well, damn you working,

(34:02):
you ain't got thirty dollars tospill, or fifty dollars to spill
, a hundred dollars to spill.
You just spend all your money.
I look about I'm not gonna saywho it is, but I look at certain
family members that way.
Like yo, you should not beasking me for money.
I'm your nephew, like what'syou know what I mean like what's
going on like man, and it'd besome short shit too, some shit
that I think is short.
So it's kind of like everythingthat I've seen as a youngster

(34:23):
or a teenager or a young20-year-old or something that
I've seen.
I was like God damn, that soundscrazy.
I don't want to be like mynephew looking at me like God
damn, that look crazy.
So I'm just not going to movethat way crazy.
So I'm just not gonna move thatway.
Yeah, I'm gonna try not to movethat way, like we were saying
earlier.
That's why it makes sense forme to fucking stay in this house

(34:43):
and not try to get a, a fourthousand dollar mortgage right
now, because it's kind of likeone.
Yeah, I went grocery shoppingyesterday.
I know I'm all over the place,but yo, I went to like three
different grocery stores justbecause I was trying to like
minimize the um, get the stuffthat we eat at this out in this
house and kind of minimize them,uh, the output of money.
I went to lytles, I went tosafeway, I went to target.

(35:07):
So, okay, target, no groceries,lytles, safeway and costco did
you end up getting eggs?
I did but only because Costcohad an 18 for $6.99 $6.49.
So I was like the going rateI've seen for some organic shit
when you get organic shit likethat was like 8 plus.
I was like fuck that.

(35:27):
So if this the going rate,that's what everybody paying.
I'm just not eating as mucheggs a day because remember I
was telling y'all I was doingthe egg whites.
I'm not throwing them bitchesaway.
It's two eggs every time I doeggs.
I'm not doing five egg whitesand throwing away the yolks, no
more.

DeLaw (35:42):
I see you just burning money.

Wes (35:44):
Not no more.
Come on, don't put me out therelike that.
I'm a fiscally responsible egguser and I will be that way
until them bitches hit under $2.
Hopefully sometime soon.
But I spent $70 at Lytle'sSafeway.
I spent fucking $50.

(36:06):
And then I spent $60 at fuckingCostco.
I feel like Safeway was a lotmore money.
No, safeway was $50.
Costco was like.
$way was $50.
Costco was like $60, $70.
And then, my dumb ass, I wentto Target to pick up two things,
three things, and left out andhad to pay $90.

(36:31):
This is all in one day,yesterday.
And guess what?
I picked up that Target thatnetted me nine.
That not net, but that, uh, putme at $90.
And I was like, what the fuckdid I buy?
Like literally at the register,and white lady looked at me.
I was like, oh shit, that'swhat I bought.
I bought three things, $90,three things.

(36:57):
Did you buy ham or turkey?
No, I ain't buying no food.

DeLaw (36:58):
I bought three things $90 .
Three things.

Wes (37:01):
Did you buy ham or turkey?
No, I didn't buy no food.
A steam cleaner Huh, a steamcleaner Nah, three things.
A steam cleaner is going to be$90 itself.
Shit, I get all the guessing.

DeLaw (37:17):
I bought.
What you brought was $30 apiece.

Wes (37:19):
I bought some probiotics.

DeLaw (37:23):
Yeah.

Wes (37:23):
Okay, that was kind of like close to $20.
I bought some wrenches becauseI didn't have any wrenches.
I lost all my wrenches for somereason because I knew I was
getting up under the car thatday because it was nice and warm
.
And I bought some pants $90fucking dollars.
I'm like God damn man.

DeLaw (37:43):
Can you put these pants back?
I got something else.

Wes (37:46):
That's what I was going to do, but it was already in the
bag.
It was already in the bag.
I'm like God damn.

DeLaw (37:55):
The pants was $40,.

Wes (37:56):
Man, I'm like these ain't even leave that.
I just needed some paint likesome regular ass pants for work,
and shit.
I'm just like okay, I was likenah, I was like I'm.
I was like wesley's about tolimit all his fucking uh,
spirited shopping, and shit,this wasn't even spirited
shopping.
Probiotics for the stomach, Ineeded a wrench.
Yo shout out to toyota andtheir engineering man, because I

(38:18):
was up under that, the lexusthat I got.
It took me a while to get thissensor off, just because there's
so many things in front ofcertain things and I'm up there
underneath that motherfuckingdoing micro turns just trying to
get this one boat off, and I'mjust like fuck, and I still
ain't fix it.
I'm like man, that sensor isnot the problem.
I got to figure out somethingelse Doing all this shit.

(38:43):
Just to be proactive, Iprobably spent what I say $90,
$70, $90, $70, $50.
Let's count this shit up, Ifeel like it was $300.
I was sad.
I'm sad.
$40.

DeLaw (38:56):
$50.
I was sad, I'm sad.
$40?
, $50?
, $40 for three things.

Wes (39:02):
I spent $270 in a day.
I'm not fucking used to thatshit, but when I was going out
to eat, everything that I wouldtry to get was like $20.
I went to BurgerFi and I didn'tget a drink, a burger fries $20

(39:23):
.

DeLaw (39:25):
Starting to sound like a what do you call it?
Five guy prices Five guys.

Wes (39:29):
Yeah, it is five guy prices .
And I was just like, cause I'mso used to like not that I got
it like that, you know you soused to like oh, I want this,
I'm going to eat it.
You know what I mean.
I ain't really looking at theprice.
Now I'm having to second guessand look at pricing and I'll be
damned if I go back toMcDonald's with some quick shit.

DeLaw (39:45):
And that was one of the reasons.

Wes (39:49):
We bought $10 a day or so.
Listen.
No, I just don't like pricesanymore.
I'm just like yo mac meal for 4419, like yeah, I was talking
about work the other day.

DeLaw (40:03):
I was like yo, you remember when the big macs used
to be actually big?
Yeah, exactly, at least maybebig to us, I don't know nah,
they was big man, pause, theywas big.

Wes (40:14):
But nah, man, I'm just going to back to the point where
it's just like yo, I'm justwanting to.
Eating out is just too.
It's not even restaurantquality shit.
It's just like the quick shitis just too expensive.
I can't, in good faith, I can'tdo that.
When I got food in the house,you got McDonald's in the house,
I got McDonald's in the house.

DeLaw (40:32):
I'm not doing that shit you know what I end up doing.
Before I even think about goingto McDonald's, I'll be like,
all right, so what carryout?
Can I get even more food forwhat I'm?

Wes (40:41):
saying I'm not going to the carryout.

DeLaw (40:43):
Not the carryout carryout , but like a not carryout but
carryout.

Wes (40:50):
I don't want to.
I'm not doing it, I ain't doingit.

DeLaw (40:53):
I'll be like we'll go around the corner to the tree
and I'd be like, alright, we caneat this, get what?
Get a lamb bowl with $10, mywife get a salad, some fries we
might have spent $20 to them,but I can eat half of that and

(41:13):
take the other half of it.
I can't do that with McDonald's.
That shit already kills youevery time you take a bite out
of it.
Yeah.

Wes (41:20):
And this might be another thing too, which is like a
blessing in disguise.
You definitely want to havesome portion control.
Do I need to eat all this rightnow?

DeLaw (41:31):
No.

Wes (41:33):
So I don't know, I'll say all that to say I'm not open.
I'm not open, paid for 73k andstudents on that.
If I had the money, like yeah,yeah, yeah.
When I say I had the money, Ihad to be well into the six
figures for me to be like sure.
And when I say well in, I don'tmean the scraping, the

(41:53):
beginning of six figures of 100kplus.
I mean I'm making, I'm pullingin 300k a year, right, or 400k a
year, and yeah, what it would.
You know what is it to me?
You know what I mean, yeah, andbesides, if I'm doing that, she
should already be staying home.
You're 17 and I ain't helpingshit the way we living over here
.
You know what I mean.

DeLaw (42:15):
So did you see the uh breakfast club interview with uh
?
Who was that chick's name um?
Uh, what's that baby's name um?

Wes (42:31):
emily williams uh, the old one about the bus driver shit no
about the.

DeLaw (42:42):
Uh, she did an interview, she did an interview, she, she
says something and she came todefend herself on it.

Wes (42:48):
Oh, about the mediocre yeah , it's the bus driver.
Shit, the mediocrity of blackpeople, right, right, yeah, no,
I didn't see it, but I heardabout it.

DeLaw (42:56):
I was reading, I was watching like a clip or whatever
, and in my opinion, and I readthe comments, the comments were
like oh yeah, you know you gottaspeak the truth.
Mediocrity, blah, blah, blahand average In my opinion.
I looked at that thing and Iwas like you made a comment

(43:18):
about somebody making a livingbeing mediocre.
Being mediocre because becausehe's black, from what I gathered
from her hold on, hold on.
I don't understand what you'resaying so she, so she, she
doubled back and doubled down onthat, you know yeah, I got that
part.
I heard that she did that butshe, the way she tried to
explain it was using websteryeah, I saw that, I heard that

(43:42):
part because she was like well,I think we might have seen the
same clip yeah, what

Wes (43:46):
is what is?
What does mediocrity mean andwhat does this mean, this, this
and that?
Yeah, I think with the, themajority of people's, the first
initial uh um, shock, value, notvalue.
But the first initial shock was, like yo, you're making it seem
like that the people that havethese type of jobs or the men
that have these type of jobsaren't worth being with and

(44:12):
stuff like that.
And that's how a lot of peopletook it.
And you got to remember she'salso an attorney, so she's going
to have her, she's going, sheknows her way around the words.
And when I seen that clip Idon't think we've seen the same
clip when I seen that clip, Iwas like, well damn, I don't
think she wrong.
However, you know how sometimes, like yo, she was saying like

(44:36):
the message needs to be this wayand it needs to hurt in order
for you to understand.
I'm like nah, not reallybecause there's a.
It's a way that it's a.
I'm pretty sure it's a way thatthe way that people felt was
like you were talking down tothem and that's probably what
happened.
That's probably what it.
That's probably how most peoplefelt.
I didn't feel no type of wayjust because it's like yo that I

(44:58):
didn't feel no type of way justbecause it's like yo, that's
her opinion.
She's going to live her lifebased off of her, what she wants
out of life and who she wantsas a partner, and this, this and
that, Like if it works for her,it works for her, but it
doesn't work for the majority.

DeLaw (45:10):
So the way I looked at it was she came through to defend
it but she came up with adifferent statement than what
she originally said.

Wes (45:22):
Was that so?
Is that the same thing?
When she was like I don't want,I'm not going to date the bus
driver, I'm going to date the,the person that owns the, the
bus, or something like that?
Was that from that?

DeLaw (45:30):
yeah okay so her meaning changed because then she started
going into average just meanswhat everyone does and mediocre
means it's just a little.
I forgot what she said, thedefinition, but it sounds like a
little less than average.
Yeah, so she was saying shewants somebody who's exceptional
and dj envy was like well, myparents work two jobs a piece.

(45:52):
Put me through college.
I feel that they're exceptional.
Now, maybe his was more feelingbased and hers was more.
I'm going off the dictionary,but how I took it was and just
using what she said, not tryingto make up some shit, I took it
as if your definition of averageis what everybody does.
That makes you just as average,because guess what People get

(46:17):
up?
They go to work.
There's attorneys you're doingthe same thing that somebody
else is doing.
To do this, you get the samething, which makes you average,
doesn't make you exceptional,doesn't make you extraordinary,
it makes you average.
And if you so happen to be in alazy attorney, you pretty much
just said then you're justmediocre, but you're still doing
the same bare minimum that theaverage person doing pretty much

(46:41):
the way I viewed her averagewas the bare.
You know, doing what everybodyelse is doing, if I didn't work
like my boss and everybody else,then maybe we all average.
So her argument deflated whenshe went to the definition.
If that makes sense to me, ifthat makes sense, it makes
perfect sense.

(47:02):
When she said exceptional.
Okay, so she.
So when she started speaking ofherself as exceptional.
I'm an attorney, I have a book,I do this, I do this.
Well, guess what?
I have a, I work a job, I havea business.
Guess what?
There's a bunch of people whohave jobs, have businesses, that
they make money and do whateverelse.

(47:23):
That still makes you average.
It doesn't make you exceptional.
Now, did she, went into how shefelt she was exceptional or
whatever you know?

Wes (47:34):
what I'm saying.

DeLaw (47:37):
When she said, when she said what she said, it wasn't
definition-based, that shewouldn't date the bus driver.
That was opinion and how shefelt-based.
And then, when DJ Envy startedcoming out, then she got the
definition and said that that'swhat she was saying.
Even though she doubled down onit, she backed down from it and
tried to correct herself at thesame time.

(47:58):
See, just know, she doubleddown on it, she backed down from
it and tried to correct herselfat the same time.

Wes (47:59):
Right, see, just that, like what you were saying, and, um,
like I, uh, I didn't see all ofthe uh, I kind of just like when
that clip came about, I kind oflooked at it a little bit and
just, you know I'm scrolling andshit and I'm on the toilet, but
like just from what you'resaying alone.
This is why I, uh, I thinkconversations like that don't
need to be uh, uh, clip based orlike what she said, her saying

(48:26):
what she said, right, Like Idon't know how long the clip was
, it wasn't.
Some things need to only be adiscussion.
When I say discussion, not adiscussion between you, a
discussion between multiplepeople, so the actual thought
process could be you know what Imean not even digested, it can.
The thought process can be onthe table.
You can work through thosethoughts with other input and

(48:46):
stuff like that, and not thatyou're coming to a conclusion,
but everything's out there.
You let the public come to theconclusion that they come to.
That's why I try to stay awayfrom talking like that and
rather, you know, by myself andjust have, well, you know,
putting stuff out there and justhave, well, you know, putting
stuff out there and just ratherhave the discussion as a whole,
because what she's saying ain'twrong, what you're saying wrong.
What she did was she.

(49:09):
I think she just did it in thewrong way.
Yeah, and you're right.
Like, like, let's just say, allthe lawyers do exactly what she
do.
Once they get some notoriety,they come out with a book, they
do this and this.
Well, you're just knowing whatthe average lawyer does.
How do you see yourself?
How do you?
How do you go above the averagelawyer?
How do I go above the average,uh, cybersecurity specialist?
How does you know what I mean?

(49:29):
Like, you're absolutely, you'reabsolutely right.
I is.
The conversation definitelyshould be had, but it should be
a conversation.
It shouldn't just be like thisis what we need to do.
It's like I thought it'sconversation so people can
understand what their pathway iswhen it comes to certain things
, that they're more than whatyou know, what the society wants

(49:52):
them to be at that time, thatthey can grow.
That's the, I think to me,that's the bigger conversation
that needs to continue to be had, not one.
We need to have thatconversation down.
We need to see our young folksand including the adults or
whatever.
We need to see thatconversation all the fucking
time.

DeLaw (50:09):
It was just the way that it came and I was just like, as
DJ Envy was saying, his friendwas trying to say how do you
even fix your mouth?
And I'm pretty sure this is howyou want to help.
How do you fix your mouth totell somebody who works hard,
provides for their family, thatthey do this, this and this and

(50:33):
keep a roof over their head,make sure the kids don't even
know that they're in poverty orwhatever.

Wes (50:37):
and I got to learn to fix them off and say that they're
average and that goes back towhat I, what I was, what was uh,
what I was saying earlier, likebeing, uh, being in quote
unquote the hood or the ghettoand shit like that.
It told me a lot about um, likepeople's psychology or the
psychology of people, likesometimes, like I was saying,
the experience drives thechoices that they make and and

(50:59):
sometimes the experience or theenvironment I said environment,
but the environment and theexperience they could only see
one, a or b.
But a, b, c, d, e of g actuallymight be available to them in
that same environment, but theexperience and the environment
and the influences and shit,they only see a and b, so
they're going to make the bestchoice from a and b.

(51:21):
It gets real, real tricky andand weird when it comes to stuff
like that, based on peopletelling you know, you don't have
to be a mediocre or average andthis, this and that.
Some people just wanted to beable to be average.
Some people literally I'vetalked to people like friends
and shit like that they justwant to be able to be average.
Some people literally I'vetalked to people like friends
and shit like that they justwant to be a normal adult where

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they're like yo, I just want tobe able to pay my bills on time.
I don't want to be at risk ofthe foreclosure not foreclosure,
but eviction notices and stufflike that.
I don't want my car to be gonein the morning.
So, yeah, if they got to dowhat you quote unquote see as
average in order for them tofeel like they just live in and
being an adult and being proudof themselves.
That's why I said it's agreater conversation that needed

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to be had.

DeLaw (52:06):
You can't, you can't, just you know, I mean you can't
just, you can't just say thatI'm not going to date the bus.
I want to date the person.

Wes (52:13):
No, you can say that I don't care about that part.

DeLaw (52:15):
The average mediocrity part I don't care about that
part, it's the averagemediocrity part.
What I'm saying is that youcan't come out and say that and
then double back and say adefinition, you, if you're going
to stay, because in my opinionit didn't matter what she has
said.
It didn't really matter,because once she said that she's
not going to date the busdriver Cause you know cause then

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that's Charlamagne and DJ Henry, or maybe he treats you good.
He might be better than thatperson.

Wes (52:40):
That owns you.
We all know that sometimes thatdon't mean a lot for some
people, like, yeah, I want youto have the money and move like
I move and treat me good.

DeLaw (52:47):
Well, she's in her right.

Wes (52:50):
However, there's a fine line between looking down at the
folks.
I'm not saying she do this shit, but you know how like the
internet is, sometimes theinternet has a.

DeLaw (53:01):
It really came off like that and I think it was just the
nature of the question of I'mnot going to date the bus driver
, I'm going to date the person.

Wes (53:08):
And that's why I said sometimes it's just.
The internet has a collectiveconsciousness of feeling when it
comes to certain things andit's just like yo.
I can see how that could beperceived.
Where it's just like yo.
Nah, that's beneath me.
Sometimes it's the tone thatyou use and you can use the same
words, different tone, andthey'll feel you and they'll
understand you.
Those are good orators.

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They know how to say the samething to get a positive response
rather than a negative response.

DeLaw (53:39):
She's within her right not to dig the bus ride.
Ain't nobody talking about that?
I mean, you already knew it wasgoing to be a discussion anyway
with them about the quality ofthe guy, blah, blah, blah.
You already knew that.
But that's her choice.
If she chose to whatever, itain't nobody.
You know that was my thing.
I was like, all right, well,she a good dude, but she had a
thing of I want them to makethis okay cool, fine, whatever.

(54:01):
Hey, you want to do that.
Doesn't because he's ambitious,he can bring more value that if
you bring more value to hislife but you're, he can bring
more value to your life to helpyou move the way you want to
listen, as the godfather said.

Wes (54:18):
He said a lot of things.
However, it's one of thosethings where he always stressed
that it's going to be more ofthem like that.
Then you know that's not whathe stressed.
He stressed a lot of things,but long story short um.
From his teachings, uh, rip um,the men that are like that,

(54:39):
they don't really necessarilywant their woman like that.
That's just what it is, andit's one of those things you're
gonna find.
It's less of us and more ofthem.
That's what I meant to say.
So it's gonna be.
Yeah, you probably want to havequote unquote more bus drivers
than than, uh, more attorneys.
You know what I mean.
Like she's gonna be hardpressed to find that man If you

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consider her equal, becausesometimes they don't want what
she's putting out.
They don't want not her, theydon't want that.
They just want their woman tobe feminine.

DeLaw (55:12):
Feminine and not lead over her.

Wes (55:14):
I'm not saying that she's not feminine, I'm just.
I guess what I'm trying to sayis.

DeLaw (55:20):
Women who make that and how everything and just looking
at it, you can tell that theonly way they're going to stay
in the feminine energy is if theperson they feel that the
person is of greater value thanthem or brings in more money,
whatever.
Yeah, Not them bringing thesame or less, which you saw on
that clip of her yelling andarguing him arguing DJ MD down

(55:42):
because she wanted to get herpoint across.
That's what you're going to get.

Wes (55:44):
You said it better than I did.
I agree you said it better thanI did.
That's just what it's going tobe.

DeLaw (55:53):
You don't find too many, like you know, and I love my
wife.
My wife doesn't make money.
My wife never talks down to mebecause she makes more.
She lets me stay in theposition of, of masculinity and
leading the house.
She follows and she does whatshe needs to do to help keep it
afloat with us, and I and Ibreak my back and go broke to

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make sure that I take care, butI need to take care of.
That's just how it is andthat's why it's always so weird
to hear certain women say well,I'm single and I'm career driven
and I have this money and guysintimidated by me and I look at
them.
Every time I tell one of themI'm like I don't think they're
intimidated by you.

Wes (56:37):
They don't want to deal with you.
They don't think they'reintimidated by you, but they
don't want to deal with you,don't want to deal with you.

DeLaw (56:40):
It's a thing you know what I just thought of.
He leaves like a dude to tryand get you because they know
you really want the money, butinstead you just admit it I want
a guy with money and he leavesoff with it like I got this, I
got this.
You should come with me.
You get offended that he'sgoing ahead and telling you
everything that you know youreally want, but you want him to
disguise it as and he reallylikes you.
Right, you know you really want, but you want him to disguise
it as he really likes you.

Wes (56:59):
You can put that side of it Right.
You know what I just thought of.
Here's why that guy's justintimidated by me and my money
is bullshit.
Guys are the most simplestcreatures on this earth, right?
So it's kind of like if I gotthe money to do what I want to
do and I'm simple what makes youthink the more money I have is

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going to like it's not going toexponentially.
My want is not going toexponentially grow.
I might want a different typeof car.
That's about it.
That's about it.

DeLaw (57:31):
If I came into somebody, like the first thing I'm going
to do is I'm going to just buythese bottles of liquor and then
pay off the bills.

Wes (57:39):
You shouldn't.
But I thing I'm gonna do is I'mgonna just buy these bottles of
liquor and then pay off.

DeLaw (57:42):
But I see what you're saying.
I'm not going to do any unlessI really just like oh, I fell
into this money.
Now I want to live as anadversary, so that's one thing,
but if I get all this money,generally the guy's not gonna be
the one to be like looking atthe money like oh, we got the
money, we can do this.
We're gonna be looking like allright, so how do we make this
shit last?

Wes (58:00):
because yeah, because I'm simple.

DeLaw (58:02):
I could like I I don't want this headache as soon as
the woman sees it, it's like oh,can we get this?
We should get this, we shoulddo this, we should do this.

Wes (58:11):
It's like so now you see this money, now you want to burn
it, like the most like look, Ilook at that, uh, we got one of
them lottery billboards andthey're my job and shit.
So every time I see that shitit just makes me you know, you
know you daydream and shit likethat and all my shit is always
the same uh, house out the way,pay mom shit off, retire her

(58:35):
early, because she only got whatlike what to maybe like 10 more
years.
I could retire her early.
That ain't shit.
You know what I mean?
Get her a little house orwhatever.
Have you buy the things that Iwould need, like as a adult, to
be functional and shit like that, and then the rest I could like
.
If everything is paid for, whyyou should be able to live off

(58:55):
of 50k a year?
You literally should be able tolive off of 50K a year.

DeLaw (58:59):
Yeah.

Wes (59:00):
You literally should be able to live off of 50K a year.
Anything outside of that well,I don't have children yet.
Children is a different storybut, like right now, me and my
wife should be able to live offof that.
If everything's paid for, wedon't need anything.
We got everything that we need.
I'm not a rapper, so I'm notbuying chains every week.
I'm not a rapper, so I'm notbuying chains every week.

DeLaw (59:23):
Right, I'm not buying Lambos, I'm not maintaining them
If I do anything out of theordinary, but let's say I hit
this big thing, besides payingoff bills, debts, and I might
even pay on the student loans.
Now, when Biden was in office,I was like I ain't paying that
off, I'll let him do it.
I might have to pay that offbut once all that's done.

(59:47):
It now becomes okay.
Now, what do we need?
Okay, well, how about we get ahouse car?
Okay, well, let's get afour-wheel drive, all-wheel
drive house car that can fit allof us unloved, so that we can
drive wherever we need to go.
Cool, then there is the andthese are just out of order your

(01:00:12):
I'm-going-somewhere-by-myselfcar, and we keep our regular
cars that we already have, andthose will be our everyday cars.
So you got your all right.
Well, I ain't gotta go to work,so I'm gonna take this car to
go to to this zeta you know zetaevent, or to my aunt's house,
versus putting the miles on youreveryday car, you know saying

(01:00:33):
so.

Wes (01:00:33):
Yeah, so we might have five cars out it sounds like, like I
said, we're simple and the onlything that might change are the
cars, or the cars, right, andjust a big enough space for like
whatever, whatever it ain't forstunting purposes more or less
like okay, I want a theater room, and then we now have a house
with a theater room, like it'sgoing to be stuff to upgrade the
quality of living, notnecessarily like all right, I

(01:00:56):
need to go buy a bunch ofVersace Because I ain't going
nowhere.
You know what I mean.
Where am I going?

DeLaw (01:01:02):
I don't even think my wife would be too.
I think for my wife.

Wes (01:01:06):
Your wife is going to want a couple of Chanel, so is mine.
I already know that.
Well, she will.
I didn't say a couple, I didn'tsay a bunch, like where she's
going to go continuously.
Where she's going to gocontinuously, you know what I
mean.
She'll break out when y'all gosee whoever and this, this, and
that she got her Chanel on.

DeLaw (01:01:23):
I think she would just be more or less, maybe one of
remodeled stuff in the house,like if we stayed here.

Wes (01:01:30):
Y'all not staying here.
Y'all went to 100 mil.
Y'all ain't staying here.

DeLaw (01:01:32):
I'm just saying in general let's redo the rest of
the carpet, let's do the yeah.

Wes (01:01:39):
That goes back to what I was saying Enhancing your
quality of living.
Like that's all I want, becauseI only got one life to live.
I want to enhance the qualityof living.
All that other shit is justlike sprinkles and cherry on top
of the sundae.
I mean I guess we would be doing, you know just like the water

(01:02:03):
not water heated, but some ofthe other things just to make
the house higher value, so wecould just sell it.
You're gonna take that moneybecause I'll do you really care
about making the house highervalue when you got the money,
sell it as it is, yeah, why?

DeLaw (01:02:09):
because you're getting it back, but you could also just
keep it.
I put it this way for this way,so hear me out.
All right, I'm a listener, so Ialready got the hundred million
, or whatever they're going togive me right yeah, I do all the
stuff I'm gonna need to do, payoff whatever.
Remodel the house, we get thenew house for gucci, right, we

(01:02:30):
get this house fixed up and wesell it.
Because now let's say, let'ssay this happens somewhere down
the road.
Why would I not want to takeanother $400,000 and be like,
hey, babe, here's $200,000.
It's not coming out of mypocket, no more with the
millions.
Hey, here's $200,000 right here.
Do whatever you want to do withthis.
So if you want to blow it onanother car bag, hey, you get it

(01:02:52):
and I'll take my $200,000 andthat's so.
It's just more or less justbringing in more money to do
something else with that money.

Wes (01:02:59):
But you said sell the house , why not rent?

DeLaw (01:03:05):
We thought about it.
We thought about because, evenlike our plan right now of
staying here, 16 yearsrefinancing, paying the house
off, even she kind of was like,oh no, we can do that, but I
don't want nobody messing thehouse up and if we get tired
because tired because you know,if someone's not living here we
got to pay the tax we're goingto pay the tax on it anyway.
But I get what you're sayingand I'm just like I don't know I

(01:03:27):
want to be responsible formaintaining something that got
broken here or paying amanagement company to do that.
So I'm just like I feel you onthat too so, in my opinion,
unless we were going to give itto our son.

Wes (01:03:43):
Like let's say so why couldn't you, have you ever
thought about this?
Rent it out and rent it out forhowever long it takes for you
to pay the house off again andthen sell it.
So let's just say,hypothetically, $250,000.
I know it's worth more thanthat, but $250,000.

(01:04:04):
You rent until you get to$250,000 and then you're like
time to sell it.
You made $250,000 off ofrentals.
Now I'm going to sell it foranother $250,000.
You made some money.
At least make some money.
I ain't saying like sell itright away.

DeLaw (01:04:22):
I mean we definitely wouldn't sell it right away.
But let's say we did that right.
Let's say we did that.
So 11 years from now I'll be 50.
To get another $250,000, Iwould have to live to 60.
You will live to 60.
I mean 70.
I would have to live to $60,000.
You will live to $60,000.

(01:04:42):
I mean $70,000, I'm sorry youwill live to $70,000.
Let's say, the market went upand people were making money and
we were renting this house outfor $2,500 a month, got a deck,
all brand new shit, whatever itworks, and we would have to do
that for 20 years.
That's 70 years old.
And then we want to sell.

(01:05:03):
it's like in my head, I'm justlike you really missed out on
the good spending time yeah, youknow, now, let's say, me and my
wife got together early in life, in our 20s, and we brought our
first house and at this age wejust did the whole thing of
refinancing and paying it all.

(01:05:23):
In 20 years I'll be 59.
I can sell the house thenbecause now we can just take
that money.
After we already saved the 200,uh, 250, 000 that house, we're
already living in another house.
Now we, you know, let's say,the house at that point now is
worth 400,000, 500,000.

(01:05:45):
That's 700, you know, that'sabout 650,000, 700,000.
We could just be like, hey, youwant to just go ahead and move
to a beach, you want to just,you know, you just want to move
somewhere overseas.
We got all this money, likewhat you want to do, but to hold

(01:06:05):
out until 70, I'm just like,yeah, we would have had to have
done that in our 20s, basically.

Wes (01:06:11):
Yeah like at 60.

DeLaw (01:06:13):
I understand and we can go ahead and get, because right
now I think the house is worth300 because?

Wes (01:06:18):
because not only that, during that time you might have
to go down and rent.
So that is, I didn't even thinkof it that way.
You are absolutely right.

DeLaw (01:06:29):
So sometimes you can, sometimes you just got to cut
and run when you can, you knowyou pay it off.
You get your new house and thenlet's say that new house is
only pay it off.
You get your new house and thenlet's say that new house is
only.
Let's say we start saving upmoney.
We finally get enough that wegot like 20 000 and whatever you
pay, you know, moving to yournew house and it might, the

(01:06:49):
house might be 450 000, likeI'll stop split level.
We sell this, this might sell,and at that time, as long as we
keep it up and everything's fine$455,000.
Take that, pay that house off.
We ain't got to worry aboutnothing.
We still working, we ain'tretired yet we split that

(01:07:10):
$50,000.
You know what I'm saying.
Both get $25,000 a piece to dowhatever we want with.
And now we Gucci.
In my head that's what makesmost sense.
Yeah, in my head that's thebest thing.

Wes (01:07:25):
On.
On that note, if either one ofus win the lottery, there will
be signs.
There will be signs, and thankeverybody for tuning in and see
you next time.