February 5, 2025 • 61 mins
Join Peter Benjamin, President of ACUMA, and Justin Hawkins, Director of Marketing and Communications, as they sit down with Heather and Steve Bollinger, the dynamic duo behind the Bollinger Foundation. Discover how a serendipitous introduction by a mutual friend sparked a promising partnership with ACUMA, set to make waves in the credit union mortgage industry. Step into the heartfelt journey of the Bollinger Foundation, born out of personal tragedy, and its mission to support children who have lost a parent. Hear the stories of Steve and Heather's father, an influential figure in HUD, who left his family unexpectedly, and how this foundation has since transformed lives. To date, they have awarded more than 339 grants totaling $1.5 million. Feel the excitement as Heather and Steve discuss their creative strategies for community engagement, from golf tournaments to year-round fundraising efforts. Listen as they share personal motivations, from family influences to work-life experiences, all sprinkled with a touch of humor and fun. This is one you don't want to miss. Tune in now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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members.
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:20):
Today I am joined by Heather and Steve Bollinger,
co-presidents with the BollingerFoundation.
Heather and Steve, how are youdoing today?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Hey, peter, we're excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Thanks for having us.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So I'm excited to have thisconversation.
We kind of joined this orstarted this partnership with
the Bollinger Foundation, that'sACUMA in 2024.
With the Bollinger Foundation,that's ACUMA in 2024.
And excited to tell the story,share with our members the
background behind ourrelationship.
I think it's a special one, onethat we hope to grow throughout
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the course of the years.
But before we get to that, asalways, let me take a step back,
have to pull the hawk in.
Justin, what is the latest andgreatest happening over at Acuma
?
And, by the way, how are youdoing today?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I'm good, peter.
How are you Living the dream?
There you go Well.
So over here at Acuma, we arein full swing, which I've said
that before but registrationjust opened for our Focal Point
workshops.
So if you're looking for yourspring conferences to attend, we
have those going on in Savannah, georgia, in May, on the 6th
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and 7th, and then we'll be inSeattle, washington, on June 3rd
and 4th.
Before that, though, we'll haveour Viewpoint Regional Summit
on April 8th and 9th, which willinclude the experiential part
of learning as well.
So you'll have two half days ofeducation, and we're going to go
see the yeah, that's okayTalking about it, I know we're
(02:54):
going to go see the blue, walkthere you go.
See, there you go.
Yeah, I was getting there, Iwas getting work.
I'm stuck between that and theMontgomery biscuits.
I'm not going to lie.
I don't know who I'm rootingfor at this point, because it
has something about rooting forbiscuits.
I already told you Sounds likea win.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I wrote my last footnotes.
I'm buying a biscuits hat.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
A biscuits hat.
There you go, see, I like it.
Did you check out their?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
logo.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
It's really like a biscuit with like a slab of
butter in the middle with asmiley face.
See, it just needs some gravy,bacon and eggs and we can call
it a day.
I'm totally buying a hack.
Yeah, so that's going to behappening on April 8th and 9th.
There's still plenty of time toregister.
So if you haven't registeredyet, I will always ask this
question, which is what are youwaiting for?
So head over to acumenorg toregister and then be sure to
mark your calendars, because inSeptember, we're going to head
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to Denver for our Make your Markannual conference.
So that's happening September21st to the 24th.
So lots of things going on,lots of fun plans.
And then, if you cannot makeany of our in-person events,
fret not, we have you covered.
We have our virtual events, ourwebinars and our podcasts going
on year long, so you get totake education with you
(04:09):
everywhere you go awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Thank you very much, of course.
All right, heather and steve.
So you know, we were introducedto the bollinger foundation
actually, I'm gonna take a stepback.
So we have a mutual friend andthat that mutual friend is is
Jeff Schumer.
Um, you know, he introduced usto the Bollinger Foundation
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really by I want to say by, Idon't want to say happenstance,
but it happened to behappenstance to be happenstance.
Uh, I'm gonna take you, youboth, back to 2003 and maybe
even 2002.
You know, justin, krista and Iwere discussing in a planning
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meeting our need, theassociation's need to to give
back a bit more, and so we havethis business, this.
It's not really pretty, but I'mgonna call it pretty.
It has weird colors.
I don't know why I picked thecolor scheme, but I did um
spreadsheet of all the businessinitiatives that we want to do
over the next handful of years,and one of the initiatives
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happened to be a partnershipwith the foundation and we
always meet in like august.
I think we'd said this was oneof our earlier meetings, maybe
earlier in the year, but I, I, Ipromise you, a month later I
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got this random phone call fromJeff and it was just out of the
blue, and I think it was a monthafter his retirement or
something like that.
Yes, it was a month after hisretirement from the NBA and we
were just catching up and he waslike I'm getting.
I was like, how are you doing?
What are you up to?
As well?
You know, you've been reallymore involved in, you know, a
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passion of mine.
It was the volunteer foundation.
I was really involved with itwhen I was part of MBA and I'm
really picking up about it and Iwas like, well, tell me a
little bit more about it.
And so we did, and I was likethis is perfect, tell me more
Like we.
We started getting a lot and Ithink that's where it really
started picking forward.
We started picking up speed andwanting to get more involved,
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and that's why we are where weare today and we are so proud,
as a leadership team, to beinvolved or have this
partnership with the volunteerfoundation, and we're thankful
that jeff introduced us, becauseyou know, and we're going to
learn more about, you know, thepurpose behind the volunteer
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foundation in a second.
But you know, for us it hitsclose to home, right, because
all of us within our industrycan, you know, can, could
potentially benefit from thisour families, could, it possibly
could impact all of us, butit's we want to grow it, it's
for the kids, right, right, butyou know, and so I, I shared
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that little background.
You know how we, how we met um,you know, and and for those
that don't know, for those ofyou who, for some strange reason
, didn't attend last year'sannual um, we were able to raise
through a sock giving campaign,uh, five thousand dollars, and
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we that we were able to donateto the bondra foundation at
annual um.
That was the first step in theright direction, no pun intended
, um, and starting thisrelationship off on the right
foot pun intended at that timeand so I think we want to
continue that effort.
But before we kind of talkabout Bollinger, the Bollinger
Foundation and the historybehind it and what we can do to
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support the foundation, first Ialways ask the same question and
I'm going to continue to askthe same question on every
single episode.
And I always ask the samequestion and I'm going to
continue to ask the samequestion on every single episode
and I always give the samepreface before this question.
I'm going to continue to do it.
The On Point podcast is a peoplepiece.
It's designed to share thestories of people who are making
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a positive impact on ourindustry and I said that in my
intro of people who are making apositive impact on our industry
.
And I said that in my intro,and so in my mind, you two are
most certainly making a positiveimpact in our industry.
The Bollinger Foundation ismost certainly making a positive
impact in our industry.
And so, if you could, the firstquestion is who's Heather
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Bollinger?
Who is Steve Bollinger?
So, if you could, heather, ifyou know who, who's Heather
Bollinger?
Who is Steve Bollinger?
So, if you could, heather, ifyou can go first, walk us
through who Heather Bollinger is.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Man, what a loaded question, Peter I do that on
purpose.
I know it's, it's awesome.
Well, first and foremost, wejust have to say how grateful
and excited we are about thispartnership, with all of you as
well, and we will get into itand everything but just just
thrilled with with how, thetrajectory of this and the
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growth of it, so appreciate thatmeeting between you and Jeff
and the continued conversationand the evolution of that.
You know it's funny.
So, in the spirit of theBollinger, our father, so the
Bollinger Foundation.
Just to give a little history,which then leads into who I am,
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when he passed away and theBollinger Foundation had started
, he was the assistant secretaryof HUD, of Housing Urban
Development, and so in that Ithink that um service mentality
has been a part of our family,as a core of of who we are, um
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being able to give back, beingable to um make sure that we are
not only prioritizing familyand friends but our community as
a whole, the village that welive in, whether that be from a
global perspective or animmediate perspective.
So much so that you know, incollege I was a sociology major
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and a gender studies minor andwent overseas from the beginning
part of my 20s and worked inanti-human trafficking work and
then came back to the States andthought I would be in that
realm of life and found myselfin this trajectory, within
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marketing and media andadvertising and today running an
AI tech company, but findingdifferent avenues in which to
give back.
So being a founding member ofan organization that produces
impact media and impactdocumentaries is a passion point
of mine, right, so always kindof having that thread throughout
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, throughout life.
So it is something I try toinstill in my daughter.
It is something so a mother whoam I?
I'm a mother, I'm a sister, I'ma you know all of the different
things Advocate and an ally, Iguess.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
To summarize it, that's awesome, that's awesome,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Steve, you're up.
Yeah, I'm glad that you had aHeather at first cause.
She definitely put the banks ina much better format than I
would have been able to expresshow grateful we are for this
partnership and what we havegoing on.
So, peter really appreciatethat, that, that it came out
that way, but no, I think it'suh.
(11:45):
You know, heather used the wordservice and it's funny.
Um, so I've helped run a uhreal estate development company
here in Columbus, ohio.
We have about 172 people and,uh, we had an all hands this
morning and, um, you know, oneof the things that I finished
with is how you know ourmanagement style and our leaders
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are all service-basedleadership, and so something
that was instilled in us fromour mother was definitely giving
you those that are lessfortunate and being able to be a
part of something bigger thanourselves and being able to be a
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part of something bigger thanourselves.
And so when I look at creditunions and it's funny being in
real estate now credit unionsare some of the best lenders
that we have and it's all basedon that people connectivity and
giving back to the community.
And so our main focus that I'veloved about Thrive is that I
get to instill a lot of myvalues and what my beliefs are,
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in the sense of it's about yourpeople first it's about the
partners you work with, and thenthe end result is some good
work and your end user, yourcustomer, your resident, your
guest or whoever, is a happyperson.
And so I think, when looking atthe Bollinger, looking at the
work I do, and then being ayoung Having two kids, a
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two-year-old and a four-year-old, it's something that it's
pretty special to be lookingaround and seeing the good
that's in the world right now,when it seems like there's a lot
of chaos that's out there.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So yeah, I love it, I absolutely love it.
All right, so Walk us throughand Heather, you kind of hinted
at it and you know what somewhatstarted it and how at it, and
you know what somewhat startedit and and the you know how.
But walk us through the historyof behind the bollinger
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foundation.
You know why it was formed andand how we got to where we are
today.
As far as the foundation goesand and I I'm more than happy to
.
I.
I briefly talked about ourrelationship and how we forced
got together, but's focus on thebonder foundation sure, um.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So in 1984, um, my dad was the assistant secretary
of hud under the reaganadministration.
Um, we were in dc.
My mom mom had three girls andwas seven months pregnant with
this guy, steve.
At the time as well, when myfather was on a trip to Savannah
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and passed away suddenly, ofdifferent advocates in the
government were, you know,trying to figure out a way to
support my mom in raising uskids, and so with that, the
Bollinger Foundation was formed.
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Jeff Finkel from IADC and anumber of members from HUD as
well created the BollingerFoundation, all surrounding an
education grant for us kids sothat we were able to be
supported in continuing oureducation throughout our lives.
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Flash forward to my mombecoming more on stabler ground
and was able to pay back thatgrant and start the Bollinger
Foundation to give back to theHUD and IEDC communities is
where it started at large forother children who may have lost
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a guardian or parent in thosecircumstances as well.
So that's kind of the the youknow roots of the Bollinger
Foundation, and since then we'vebeen able to provide Steve, I
think it was what 339.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah, 339 grants and 1.5 million in grants over the
years, um, and our highestapplicants, uh, that we were
able to do was last year at$136,000 in grants and 19
applicants that received those.
So, um, it was really.
It was a really neat day to seethat, those kinds of numbers
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from where we've come.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I mean Steve on it as far as really giving back
to the community, and I thinkyou know my dad was a Reagan
Republican in the service sector, my mom is a hippie chick from
Santa Cruz and this is kind ofwhat they created, and Steve and
I and our other two sisters,sisters and but all um, always
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in putting um, I wouldn't it'snot necessarily putting others
first, but making sure we'reconsidering um, the fact that we
are more than just a singularin this world.
So um, really, that's, that'sthe core of the Bollinger.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, and, and I love that.
You know, and I think that'swhy we we, yes, we, we.
We selected the BollingerFoundation because it's it
impacts people within the realestate finance community and you
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know, if something was tohappen to me, it'd be fantastic
to know that my kids couldpotentially have this aid right,
and I'm sure justin would feelthe same exact way I'm sure any
one of our any one of ourmembers could potentially have
this type of aid.
But what also, I think,attracted us to this was that
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community right For us.
We don't talk about membership.
We don't talk about anythingbesides community.
Our members are our communitythrough and through members, or
our community through andthrough.
And when you go out to adifferent credit union and you
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focus on how credit unionsoperate within their communities
, they're one, right it's.
They know their families, theyknow every family in their
communities.
It's almost like cheers, right.
I often describe this year,right, it's.
It's.
They can walk into the branchand it's normal all over again.
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And but when you come to ourevents, it's the same exact
thing.
It's.
It's the norm feeling wheneveryou come to our events.
If we can be part of yourcommunity and help grow it and
strengthen it, and knowing howstrong your community already
was and the fact that you guysbelieve in that community, I
think that's why we picked it.
You know a lot of these otherones.
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We were just gonna be a numberand we didn't want to be that.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
We want to actually strengthen and be part of a good
community that was alreadythere, um and justin am I
hitting it or yeah, I mean wewanted to make an impact and
that was that was at theforefront of a lot of the
discussions we were havinginternally.
Um, I know that was a part ofthe discussion we had with you
guys as well.
(19:18):
Uh, just kind of making surethat we felt like we were going
to make an impact and that wewere going to be an asset to
your toolbox, right, because Imean, I come from the nonprofit
world myself and so that'sprobably the hardest part is
just finding ways to keep thosedonations coming in, especially
when the economy starts to gettighter.
It's you know how do we do that, and partnering with
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organizations like we'vepartnered with you guys, like
that's a surefire way to keepsome donations coming around
yeah, and I think you know youguys mentioned the impact piece
and the thing that I'm mostproud of within the volunteers.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
You know nobody's paid, it's all volunteer based.
It's all something where youknow all the funds that come in
we put out as much as possible.
Uh, you know I forget what theuh, the factor, uh score the
ratio, but I think we're at like83 or 87 percent.
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Uh, that's coming in is goingout, which is amazing.
Uh, thank god we do leave somereserves in the coffer because
things like covid come up and wewere still able to give grants
out that year, right, eventhough without having the golf
tournaments and the fundraisingand all that, and so that's been
really neat to be a part of, towhere there is no real red tape
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around what's going on.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And to speak to the community that we have and what
an impact you all are able tomake in contribution to that.
I mean the Bollinger.
How many people have been ableto contribute and support and be
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affected by the Bollinger aswell?
And we and we love that Acumais coming on as a vital part of
that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And we appreciate that.
Let's focus on, you know,growth and and I don't want to
say long-term success, but we'reyou know, the, the future
outlook and the vision of of thebollinger you know, you know
and I guess you know anyone cananswer about.
I'll start with steve.
You know, where does what's thevision for the bollinger
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foundation?
Um, how, what's, what's thatfive-year outlook look like?
10 years, what does that looklike for you?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
yeah, I mean um.
So this past year we had agreat meeting internally the day
before the the bollinger openum that takes place every june,
which is our biggest fundraiser.
But a few of us board membersgot together and started really
talking about that right, Likecoming together and
understanding what should be ourfocus, what should be some KPIs
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, and the beauty of it was thefact that we kind of are just
sticking to what we have right.
What we do is kind of thisspecialty niche group of people
that can take advantage of thesefunds, wanting to keep it to
that and not try and scattershotand be everything to everyone.
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And really I think the focusover the next five years is
getting the word out there, it'sgetting more applicants, it's
the fundraising about it, partof it.
And then, um, you know, I thinkideally we're in between that
half a million to a milliondollars a year in fundraising
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and we're putting out that sameamount, right, Like I mean, I
think that there's a lot ofpeople out there that can take
advantage of.
You know what grants we'reallowed to give and you know we
really are looking at from thebeginning of education.
So you know, pre-K, all the waythrough college and being a
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resource to people and we've putsome guidelines around that and
really wanting people to comeand, you know, take advantage of
that Right, and it's our job tofind applicants and find the
money to where we aren't havingto turn these people down.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, that's great Heather any thoughts?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Well, currently we are just speaking to the
escalation of the actualfinancial side of it.
Currently, we are small grants,you know, to the point where, as
if we can do the math, you know339 grants into 1.5 million
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thousand dollars, a grant right.
To really be able to escalatethat and elevate that to um
would be ideal, as well as the.
The number of people, um thatwe're able to deliver the
support to the other side isjust rethinking our tactics and
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how we're able to spread theword, the marketing aspect, the
outreach what does that looklike?
So, just revolutionizing orreinvigorating some of the
website, some of the tacticalsas well, in order to cater to
this next generation and howwe're communicating with them is
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super important, whether thatbe through socials or whether
that be through differentopportunities of fundraising, to
the point of the sock drive orto the point of March Madness,
which is one of our other, youknow, fundraisers where it's
speaking to a different audiencethan maybe just what we've
typically gone for, which isthat golfer, because that is our
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largest um fundraiser, right.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
so, um, allowing more opportunities yeah, who doesn't
like losing balls?
Speaker 5 (25:14):
right I mean, you know it's somewhat an investment
, but it's okay that's right.
Some of us lose more thanothers, right you know that I I
tell everybody all the time if Igo play golf, I'm definitely
going to the beach or to theocean I just like, justin, that
we're calling you the hawk.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I didn't realize that , yeah it's from when I was in
the military days, so sure justjust wait, just wait to the
final episode, when you actuallyhear the hawk screech, which is
no longer allowed to try tomake that noise again, because
it did not go over.
Well, I did not I I definitelytried making that sound one time
(25:55):
.
It did not sound good,especially with wounded bird,
yeah, especially the way myvoice yes, especially the way my
voice sounds right now,definitely not going to try it.
All right.
So next question I think it'sthe next logical question what
can Acuma and our community doto help?
And obviously, $5,000, althoughit was nice, like you just said
(26:22):
, heather, $8,000 is basicallyone grand.
What can we do to continue ourefforts to support the volunteer
foundation?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
loaded question.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, no, we love it.
I mean, there's there's so manydifferent aspects to that and
it's really, where are um, whereis akima comfortable in playing
with it?
Right, so your community canaccess so many of the different.
Come to the BollingerFoundation, you know open.
Come play golf with us, lose alot of balls, participate in
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March Madness.
But we also know that you haveyour own ideas, too, on
different ways to reach thecommunity.
That might resonate more withyour community than maybe some
of the things that we've alreadyhave established.
So there are a number ofalready existing ways, and then
we welcome new ideas as well,steve.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, I mean I think I had a meeting yesterday with
Cosi here in Columbus and reallywhat we were talking about is
our strongest piece for Thriveand our company is being a
mouthpiece and being able todisseminate information out to
our 3,000 residents 5,000residents from Cosi's point.
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So when we look at thesepartnerships, a lot of what
we're trying to do is, you know,wanting to prop up each other
right, like you know, when thesocial post goes out for March
Madness, like, get that out toyour network, like, if you guys
have a soft drive, we'll get itout to our network, I mean, it's
all about the connectivity andthe community that we're trying
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to build and, you know, somepeople will be the people that
are coming out for the golf open.
Some people are giving $10 forthe March Madness bracket, some
people are giving $2,500, $5,000to be a sponsor and others are
going to be on the receiving end, receiving the grants and
applications, and so we look atit to where it's this like
holistic kind of process thatgoes ecosystem Right, and so I
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think that's where, uh, it'sexciting to think about an
understanding like the yearlycadence of acuma.
Right, like you know, wealready have the annual endeavor
on our calendars to come backout and do those things, but I
think it's a, it's being amouthpiece for the bollinger and
being able.
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What it boils down to is itsgrants and its sponsorships in
order to be able to, ordonations in order to provide
for those grants.
And if we can get those twopieces out to your guys' network
and our network and acceptcredit unions who doesn't love
going there to get theirmortgages over the big banks?
Right, it's a lot more, a loteasier, a lot more of a uh, a
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great experience and so, um, Ithink I think there's a lot of
fun things that we could do, butto Heather's point, I think a
lot of it is.
You know, what does Acuma feelcomfortable doing?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well, I mean to to your last point.
You mean you're preaching tothe choir, comfortable doing.
Well, I mean to to your lastpoint.
You mean you're preaching tothe choir, um, but I mean, I
think you're you're going tofind that you know, yes, we do
have some tricks up our sleeve.
I think.
I don't think I know.
The Bollinger foundation isgoing to be part of our regular
conversation going forward atall of our events.
It's.
It's going to be part of our.
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We're going to make it easilyaccessible for our members to
donate on our website at ourevents and and we're not just
going to wait to annual for thatsock giving campaign.
We're not always going to do asock giving campaign.
It's.
Maybe somebody else who knows,I don't really know they were
(30:05):
great socks, though, peter justthey were awesome socks they're.
I actually threw out all of mylike other socks and just
replaced them all with acumasocks yeah, very comfortable
socks they are great, um, butwe're gonna make it a year-round
thing, so we'll have qr codeswhere members can just easily
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scan the QR code and donate atall of our events.
I mean that that's a.
That's what we're gonna try todo.
It's just gonna be a regularconversation.
You know one one thing I'mshocked no one you talk about
March, madness.
I'm shocked no one's done theSuperbowl squares as a way to
donate.
Those are always easy.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great idea yeah I mean we need
to do that it's right on thehorizon.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
My next door neighbor , uh, was just sent me a.
Uh, he's he coaches um the high, the local high school
basketball team, and he sent mea website, super Bowl pool, like
a swimming pool site where youcan actually set up a free grid
(31:18):
for charity.
Oh, that's really neat.
So he's doing it to raise fundsfor his girls basketball team.
So it could be an easy way todo it anyways see, justin knows
I'm filled with ideas full ofideas.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
We have no idea what's coming up next.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I know seriously, some of them good, some of them
bad a little bit of a squirrel.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
You guys are in DC.
So, commanders, fans, 100%,100%, are they going to be able
to stop Saquon?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
you guys are in DC, so commanders fans oh, a hundred
percent.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oh, yeah, a hundred percent.
Are they going to be able tostop Saquon?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I don't, I don't want to jinx it.
Yeah, I'm not going to jinx itit's only been 30 years oh
dagger, what about you, justin?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
the Ohio State.
I'm a college football fan,more not Ohio State.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
I live in Columbus, but I as well am okay not being
the OHIO of everybody.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Yeah, I always Never mind If.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I would allow Justin to make all of our colors orange
.
He would, but not like the niceFlorida color orange.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
It's not a nice color at all.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
The ugly ugly, tennessee Sure, the Tennessee
color Great.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I was shocked at how bad you guys played against the
Buckeyes.
Just saying.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Thank you, me too yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Thank you for saying that, Steve, yeah it was
horrendous.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Me too.
I was shocked too, don't worry.
Yeah, but it I was shocked too.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Don't worry, is Nico gone?
Speaker 5 (33:01):
nah, he's coming back , sadly.
It'll be fun.
There's always next season,which is like the mantra of the
DC sports area.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I'm not worried about it.
We got new life.
Daniel's a solid and, ifanything, I can always look to
the Ravens and watch them get tothe finish line and then just
trip.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah, let's all like yes, that out.
That that hurts.
I'm a Ravens fan.
I just want to clearly statethe Ravens were a far better
team than the Bills.
They just beat themselves.
I feel bad for Heather.
She's a Bengals fan.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I was just going to say, guys, I'm a Bengals fan, so
we have an internal feud in ourhouse with in our entire family
.
So, steve being the Ravens, andmost of us.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm actually really disappointed that the Chiefs let
the Broncos win the way thatthey did yeah.
I really wanted the Bengals toget into the playoffs.
Yeah truly, I really did, butat the same time I may have put
money down that I know we're notsupposed to talk about betting,
but I was really hoping for aRavens commanders Superbowl.
(34:18):
Yeah, really hoping.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
That would have been fun.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's like the crosstown shootout, that's right
.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So it just sounds like we need to set up these
Superbowl squares, whateverthose are.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry I brought it up, but we got
totally good sidetrack.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, that is my sidetrack.
Yeah, that is my sidetrack.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, no, we, we got to get refocused.
It's actually really our lastquestion.
Last question, it's the samelast question that I ask
everybody.
Um, it kind of goes back to thefirst question I ask you and
again it kind of ties in thepeople piece, but it has to deal
(34:56):
with, you know, the motivationfactor.
You know we keep, we keeppushing forward every single day
.
You know, the two of you arelike the rest of us, one foot
out of bed every single day.
But in this case, your, your,your slight, your purpose is
(35:16):
slightly different.
Right, you have this, this,this, this willingness, this
desire to serve.
So the big question is whatkeeps you motivated, what keeps
you going to keep going, keeppushing forward?
That's the last question.
What keeps you?
What keeps you going, whatkeeps you motivated every single
day?
Since, heather, you answeredthe first question first.
(35:39):
I'm gonna let steve answer thisquestion first great.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Thank you, peter so then we would just keep sequence
as is.
But, um, no, I mean, uh,motivation, obviously.
Uh, my family, uh, my extendedfamily, where it's, you know,
it's my sister, it's my sister,it's my mom.
It's funny, my mom was clearingout some boxes and she found a
(36:05):
letter that I wrote her in sixthgrade about her being my hero,
and I still feel that today.
I think a lot of it is, um, thefact of not wanting to do
anything, just half ass, andwanting everything to be
exceptional and wanting it to besomething special that you give
to people.
And the experiences that youhave with others, um, and you
(36:29):
know, those experiences doesn'thave to be anything extravagant.
Uh, they can be simple things,uh, everyday occurrence.
It's funny People around heretalk about the sandwiches and I
know I'm the best sandwich makerin our office and so a lot of
times at lunchtime I'll goaround and say who wants a
sandwich?
(36:50):
And it's giving those momentsto people where, to your point,
everybody gets out of bed onestep forward.
We all wipe our own ass.
It's something where it's uh,it it.
We just want explicit.
Uh, yes, that is the split man.
(37:10):
I had so many others that wecould have thrown out, but I
told you smallest word.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's okay, I know now we can, now we can say it shit
darn, yeah I have two things foryou, though, steve.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
One I love the big daddy reference because that's a
great movie, yeah.
Two, what kind of sandwiches wetalking about?
Speaker 6 (37:27):
oh man, so typically I'll like we don't play about
sandwiches.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
When it comes to justin here, I love a good
sandwich.
So what are we talking?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
about.
So you know, I I do the broilof the bread and then I put the
sauce on the inside, so theoutside's still fluffy.
Uh, of the sandwich bread, andthen a lot of times you know
some mustard, mayonnaise, allthat jazz, but then you throw in
some like barbecue chips orlike jalapeno chips oh, you
gotta, crunchify it, you gottacrunchify.
(37:57):
Uh, good solid, got to crunchifyit.
Good like again, crunchylettuce.
Making sure the lettuce isright.
Huge pickle guy.
I understand some people aren'tpickle people so I always have
to ask on that.
And then typically it's justone meat.
I'm not a huge meat combined, Ionly need one.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
If you want to change that sandwich.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
You want to change the sandwich.
If you want to change thesandwich, change the meat,
Change the condiment, Take apickle off Multiple meats.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
I am too.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
I had a sandwich for lunch too, so I need another
sandwich Nice.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
A long line of sandwich makers.
Our mom was also very wellknown in the neighborhood and
circles of friends to alwayshaving the best snacks and the
place to go for any type ofsandwich or, you know, lunch
situation.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So now I want a good sandwich for dinner, I know,
Right.
All right so your motivation.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
I mean, obviously, I'm a single mom of a
seven-year-old and she keeps meon my toes every single day, so
just trying to create the worldI want her to experience and
allowing for some magic and somefun in there too.
I think we get so caught up inour rigor and roar of our daily
(39:17):
lives, and so to Stevie's pointtaking a moment to really
celebrate little moments ispretty important and always a
motivating factor.
I'm in a really crazy businessof AI, of generative AI, of
helping build a company, of AI,of helping build a company, and
(39:41):
you can get kind of swept awayby the technology and the
overarching momentum ofeverything and how the world's
changing so fast.
But one of the beautiful thingsabout our company with Verve is
that it's AI powered by people.
So to your point, peter, ofalways having people at the
center, even in this crazy worldof technology.
But keeping the human at thecenter of whatever we're doing
(40:05):
is a really huge motivatingfactor for me.
I think that, whether that bemy little one, or whether that
be our family and friends, orwhether that be that that
community we spoke of at large,it's, it's um, it's how, it's
the lens I use to live my life.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Okay, that's awesome.
Both of you Great answers, bothof you love it and I love that.
Family is very much involved inthat and really that's the root
, the root of why we're herewith the bollinger foundation.
So thank you very much.
So we're at that point in theshow where we need to transition
to the second segment of ourpolicy podcast not policy
(40:46):
podcast geez, look what's in myhead, justin um of our on point
podcast.
Now this is where we sometimesdo trivia, we do Jeopardy,
sometimes we do dad jokes, butthis time around we're doing
Jeopardy.
So, because the Super Bowl isliterally a few days away and
(41:12):
the fact that we actuallystarted talking about the Super
Bowl just a few minutes ago,we're going to do Super Bowl
Jeopardy.
Now, in just a quick second,I'm going to show on my screen a
little Jeopardy board.
Now, fair warning, like I toldyou prior to starting this
episode, this is a new Jeopardyboard for the Acuma On Point
podcast.
(41:32):
I have no idea what to expectout of it.
I did not create it.
I don't know the level ofdifficulty for it.
I checked out two questions andthey seemed okay.
I didn't check out the 500level, I only checked out the
middle levels and they seemedokay.
(41:52):
It seemed fun, so we're goingto go with it.
So we're going to go with it.
We're going to go with it.
Justin is the all-time loser ofAtmazon Point Jeopardy.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome.
He's probably the only one outof all the episodes Three times.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Sure, we'll go with three who's counting who's
counting, I mean mean when it'sthat low but I think we played
like 20 times now, now you'rejust digging in, I am so here
I'm gonna pull up on my screen,as I always do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I will describe what I am sharing on my screen so
everyone can see it.
Let me move this out of the way.
Kind of like a weird lookingJeopardy board.
We have six categories in thisnew Jeopardy board Super Bowl
and football trivia.
The categories are Super Bowlhistory, players, teams,
(42:59):
halftime performances, recordholders and coaches.
Oh man, points range anywherefrom 100 to 500.
So, unlike our last Jeopardyboard where it was team one,
team two and team three, heather, you'll be team broccoli.
(43:19):
Steve, you'll be team potato.
Justin, your team pineapple.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
I mean potatoes and one hands down potato or
pineapple is definitely gonnawin.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I don't know about broccoli, but we're in, let's do
it so we'll just go broccolifirst.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Great, so oh, I forgot that.
Say this you do not have toanswer who is what is, etc.
You can steal.
But fair warning If you stealand you get it wrong, I take
(44:06):
away points pretty quickly.
If you get it wrong and I knowit's wrong, I don't give the
other person an opportunity tosteal, I just take away points.
So I'm a pretty vicious scorer.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
So how do you?
How do you steal?
Speaker 5 (44:22):
You just say I want to steal.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah, that's it All right.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Where are we going, heather?
Speaker 4 (44:30):
Let's go.
Let's go to teams for 200.
Peter teams for 200, PeterTeams 200.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Who has the most Super Bowl wins in the league?
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Do I answer Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yes, you just automatically answer.
The correct answer is.
How do I display the answer?
Speaker 6 (44:55):
The answer is not the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
No, I know, I don't know why that came out the
Pittsburgh Steelers.
I just don't like the Steelers.
They were out of my mind.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Alright, so womp, womp, that's right.
Oh, do you guys hear that buzz?
I hear it on my end.
Oh, it's it on my end.
Oh, it's buzzing on my endInteresting.
All right, that was 200.
I don't like this board.
We're not going to use this oneagain.
(45:27):
All right, team Potato, you areup.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah, I'll go with teams for five.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Teams for 500.
What football teams have nevermade it to the super bowl teams?
Oh, and also, I don't know whenthis was made that's uh.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
Yeah, so like houston texans haven't.
But the oilers, I believe, haveum uh you know, technically the
technically the titans.
Now right well, houston oilerswent to tennessee titans and
then houston got the texans, somaybe I throw out the texans.
Um, I would say jaguars havemade it, panthers have made it.
(46:13):
Jaguars have made it, panthershave made it.
Commanders have right.
Commanders are new, but theystay with Washington.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Man Cardinals made it .
Is there a timer?
Speaker 6 (46:34):
I feel like Minnesota Vikings no.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Justin are you going to steal?
Speaker 3 (46:45):
give me final answer.
I mean Texans you're going withone and Vikings Texans and
Vikings Texans and Lions Texansand Justin, do you want to steal
it all?
Texans and Lions Texans andLions Heather, do you want to
steal?
Speaker 4 (47:02):
I was going to say Lions All right.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
The correct answer is A lot of teams.
Yes, I know Cleveland Browns,Detroit Lions, Houston Texans
and the Jacksonville Jaguars,but all of you got it wrong.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
I did not get it wrong.
I said Lions.
You said Lions and Houston.
You didn't say we had to nameevery team.
It said teams as in plural.
Justin, oh, I judge.
I tell you every time, this iswhy we lose.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Justin, just because you fall with me.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'm taking away extra points.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
This is tough.
I mean, Peter, you are tough.
I love it All right.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
All right, justin, I don't like that.
I lost extra points.
We're going to go with halftimeperformances for 400.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Which artist performed the Super Bowl
halftime show in 1993?
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Yeah, where were you in 93?
I was in kindergarten, so Icouldn't even tell you what was
popular in 93.
I was 13 like Michael Jacksonthat's probably a good guess
Speaker 4 (48:26):
steal it.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Heather, yeah, I don't know this one.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
I was helping.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
I'm gonna go with the Beach Boys.
Beach Boys, definitely theBeach Boys.
Heather, are you stealing?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
okay, michael Jackson correct answer is Michael
Jackson.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Good job, heather thank you, that's awesome.
That was four.
Perfect wait, you had 700 thereyou go.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Sorry, justin, that was four.
Perfect wait.
There you go.
Sorry, justin nice.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
We're all in the negative, though, guys seven
plus four, come on, all rightnext question let's go.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
I don't like this one because it doesn't
automatically just do it.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
I know, all right this is fun Heather up to you
let's do.
I don't like this one becauseit doesn't automatically just do
it.
I know.
All right, this is fun Heatherup to you.
Let's do, oh gosh, ok, let's doplayers for 100.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Players 100.
Which NFL quarterback has beento the most Super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
You know New England.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Oh God, tom brady correct answer is tom brady.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yes, good job thank you, that was a that was a hard
one well, I gottied for a secondon him.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
All right, Steve.
Speaker 6 (49:59):
Record holders for 200.
Record holders 200.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Who holds the record for the most passes attempted in
their whole career.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
Oh man, it's not even Super Bowl.
Then, brett Favre, that's agood guess.
I mean he had a long careerthrew the ball, a lot went to
some Super Bowl.
Brett Favre by my answer passattempts maybe not catches, but
(50:36):
Justin stealing?
Speaker 5 (50:38):
no, I'm not gonna steal, you gotta hit the button.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I know.
See if there's a better way,because this has to see answer.
Speaker 5 (50:50):
Brett.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Steve nice look at that yeah good job it was very
good.
Speaker 5 (50:59):
Alright, pineapple, I'm going to go with coaches for
500.
Are you just trying to lose?
Well, I'm trying to get back init.
I'm not so far behind.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
That's a hard category.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
So far.
Halftime performances was alsohard.
Don't worry, I have it covered.
I know how I'm going to getthis one right.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
AI.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
No, we don't cheat, better not.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Oh, there is a timer up here.
Oh, look at that.
I know which head coach retiredfrom the NFL with the most
games under their belt ooh, itmight help if I knew more
coaches that's what I'm saying.
Why'd you pick this category?
Speaker 5 (51:52):
we're gonna go with the Green Bay coach from the
first Super Bowl, etc.
Give me a name.
I don't know his name.
Look, I don't know NFL.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
So like we're kind of screwed here.
Why'd you pick this category?
Speaker 5 (52:16):
because I was hoping it wouldn't be this hard.
What's his name?
Okay, we'll go Bill Belichick,even though he's not retired.
Belichick, etc.
Belichick etc.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Steve Heather, you want?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
to steal okay.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
I would have said like Shula maybe I don't even
know who that is.
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of coaches that have just
been around for a long time.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
All right.
Correct answer is George Hallis.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
Oh, for sure I would have got.
That was my second choice.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 6 (52:51):
Yeah, no idea who that is no, no clue no.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I want to see okay, let's see one more round, then
we'll wrap up impossiblejeopardy all right broccoli
let's do all right, we'll doSuper Bowl history, just to
break open that column.
So 200, please, peter.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Super Bowl history 200.
Which NFL was the first team towin five Super Bowls?
I?
Speaker 6 (53:30):
feel like this is a trick question.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I'm going to rephrase it, because this is a stupid
question which team in the NFLwas the first to win five Super
Bowls?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Okay, okay, first team to win five Super Bowls.
I don't know.
I'll stick with the Patriots,since I'm in that zone.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
They don't want to steal.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
I mean, I'm pretty certain it's the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
I think too.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
I just don't want to ever answer the Steelers.
I'm sorry, that's what I thinktoo.
I just don't want to everanswer the Steelers, so I'm
sorry alright.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Well, steve, you technically said Steelers first,
so it's going to be your Steel,if it's right then it's
Justin's, if it's wrong that'sfine, I'll take that the correct
answer is San Francisco 49ers.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
Nice man, mom would beat us up.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
Totally, as would Gabriel Huge, fan of the 49ers.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
All right, steve, you are up.
Speaker 6 (54:50):
Players for five Players for five Players for
five Nice.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Which player has scored the most career Super
Bowl points.
Speaker 6 (55:01):
So I'm guessing it's a kicker.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Interesting, you wouldn't think.
A receiver.
Speaker 6 (55:09):
No, I'm going to go.
Adam Vinatieri.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
You think he's been to that many Super Bowls.
I?
Speaker 6 (55:16):
mean Colts Patriots okay alright.
I think it's a kicker.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
I mean, it's a good guess, it's a solid guess.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
I would have said like Montana yeah, but Montana
doesn't score the points, hethrows the ball, so like the
points go to the running backreceivers, well, let's see.
Is what it should be.
Yeah, Alright we'll see.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
Then Rice.
You think it's a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (55:52):
No, I don't think it's a quarterback no, I don't
think it's a quarterback thenit'll be like rice receiver yeah
all right.
The correct answer is jerryrice there you go all right,
nicely done.
Yeah, was that 500 yeah, it wasnow.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
It's just who loses the least.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Yeah, it's definitely be Justin.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
All right, Justin, bring us home.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
Come on, Hawk.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
All right, we're going to go with halftime
performances for 500.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Which artists performed the halftime show in a
downpour in 2007?
Speaker 6 (56:36):
Senior year of high school.
No college, oh, there's no wayI would remember that.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
I was yeah way too young during that game.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (56:53):
Is that the Timberlake Janet Jackson one?
Speaker 4 (56:57):
that was later, but I like where your mind is.
I think that was more in theteens, like early teens, but try
it yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
I mean, I can't think of anything, or was I in 2007?
Okay, I know where I was.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
Let me try a hint.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Yeah, let's see for the last question.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
Yeah, let's see what's the hint say Where's the
hint?
Speaker 3 (57:28):
That's not a hint, I just turned it on.
Oh, here it is, wait.
Speaker 5 (57:33):
It says collapse the podiums okay which are this I
don't know.
I'm going with Jackson andTimberlake.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Prince, what a good one, I would say.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
Snoop and Dre a few years back in LA was what a good
one.
Yeah, I would say Snoop and Drea few years back in LA.
Heather is actually out therethe.
Bengals lost, by the way yes,thank you yes but that was an
amazing halftime show that wasepic that was probably one of
the best ones.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, so to wrap up this episode's On Point, my
activist On Point podcastJeopardy, we have Heather ie
Broccoli with negative 400.
Steve ie Potato with negative1,000.
And Justin ie Pineapple withnegative a thousand.
(58:34):
And Justin ie Pineapple withnegative 2,100.
Definitely not your worst, butnot your best.
Speaker 6 (58:42):
Fuck.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
It's already been explicit.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
No, it's.
Speaker 5 (58:50):
That's what makes this fun, by the way, that was
impossible.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
Jeopardy that was impossible jeopardy, that was
really hard it's pretty hard,yeah, but I like it.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
I mean, we won't use that super, that jeopardy board
ever again.
Okay, you always complain aboutthe other one, so I thought I'd
try a new one well, I triedusing the etc answers and that
didn't count.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
So the other board.
Maybe the other board was on ajeopardy board.
I try a new one.
Well, I tried using the etc.
Answers and that didn't count.
Maybe the other board was on a.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Jeopardy board.
Yeah, the other board has etcas part of the answers.
It's like how can you have thatas part of the answer?
Really bad.
Speaker 6 (59:25):
Maybe you do level 100 moving forward.
If that was middle tier, yeah,seriously.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, well, let's go ahead and wrap up heather steve.
Thank you very much for fortaking time out of your
schedules to sit down with usand kind of, you know, walk us
through.
You know the bollingerfoundation really enjoyed, you
know, the conversation.
Uh, again, appreciate it.
I, I love, love thispartnership and looking forward
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to seeing how we grow together.
And, as I mentioned, I thinkthis is just the beginning and I
truly hope that our membersembrace the idea of giving and
really supporting a, a really acharity that really hopefully
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they don't need to, but reallycould benefit them and their
families at some point in time.
So thank you very much for forbeing here.
Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Thank you it was great, a lot of fun.
Good, okay, you're welcome andJustin, thank you very having us
.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
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Good, you're welcome and Justin, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3 (01:20):
Today I am joined by Heather and Steve Bollinger,
co-presidents with the BollingerFoundation.
Heather and Steve, how are youdoing today?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Hey, peter, we're excited to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Thanks for having us.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So I'm excited to have thisconversation.
We kind of joined this orstarted this partnership with
the Bollinger Foundation, that'sACUMA in 2024.
With the Bollinger Foundation,that's ACUMA in 2024.
And excited to tell the story,share with our members the
background behind ourrelationship.
I think it's a special one, onethat we hope to grow throughout
(01:54):
the course of the years.
But before we get to that, asalways, let me take a step back,
have to pull the hawk in.
Justin, what is the latest andgreatest happening over at Acuma
?
And, by the way, how are youdoing today?
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I'm good, peter.
How are you Living the dream?
There you go Well.
So over here at Acuma, we arein full swing, which I've said
that before but registrationjust opened for our Focal Point
workshops.
So if you're looking for yourspring conferences to attend, we
have those going on in Savannah, georgia, in May, on the 6th
(02:32):
and 7th, and then we'll be inSeattle, washington, on June 3rd
and 4th.
Before that, though, we'll haveour Viewpoint Regional Summit
on April 8th and 9th, which willinclude the experiential part
of learning as well.
So you'll have two half days ofeducation, and we're going to go
see the yeah, that's okayTalking about it, I know we're
(02:54):
going to go see the blue, walkthere you go.
See, there you go.
Yeah, I was getting there, Iwas getting work.
I'm stuck between that and theMontgomery biscuits.
I'm not going to lie.
I don't know who I'm rootingfor at this point, because it
has something about rooting forbiscuits.
I already told you Sounds likea win.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I wrote my last footnotes.
I'm buying a biscuits hat.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
A biscuits hat.
There you go, see, I like it.
Did you check out their?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
logo.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
It's really like a biscuit with like a slab of
butter in the middle with asmiley face.
See, it just needs some gravy,bacon and eggs and we can call
it a day.
I'm totally buying a hack.
Yeah, so that's going to behappening on April 8th and 9th.
There's still plenty of time toregister.
So if you haven't registeredyet, I will always ask this
question, which is what are youwaiting for?
So head over to acumenorg toregister and then be sure to
mark your calendars, because inSeptember, we're going to head
(03:48):
to Denver for our Make your Markannual conference.
So that's happening September21st to the 24th.
So lots of things going on,lots of fun plans.
And then, if you cannot makeany of our in-person events,
fret not, we have you covered.
We have our virtual events, ourwebinars and our podcasts going
on year long, so you get totake education with you
(04:09):
everywhere you go awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Thank you very much, of course.
All right, heather and steve.
So you know, we were introducedto the bollinger foundation
actually, I'm gonna take a stepback.
So we have a mutual friend andthat that mutual friend is is
Jeff Schumer.
Um, you know, he introduced usto the Bollinger Foundation
(04:35):
really by I want to say by, Idon't want to say happenstance,
but it happened to behappenstance to be happenstance.
Uh, I'm gonna take you, youboth, back to 2003 and maybe
even 2002.
You know, justin, krista and Iwere discussing in a planning
(04:59):
meeting our need, theassociation's need to to give
back a bit more, and so we havethis business, this.
It's not really pretty, but I'mgonna call it pretty.
It has weird colors.
I don't know why I picked thecolor scheme, but I did um
spreadsheet of all the businessinitiatives that we want to do
over the next handful of years,and one of the initiatives
(05:21):
happened to be a partnershipwith the foundation and we
always meet in like august.
I think we'd said this was oneof our earlier meetings, maybe
earlier in the year, but I, I, Ipromise you, a month later I
(05:43):
got this random phone call fromJeff and it was just out of the
blue, and I think it was a monthafter his retirement or
something like that.
Yes, it was a month after hisretirement from the NBA and we
were just catching up and he waslike I'm getting.
I was like, how are you doing?
What are you up to?
As well?
You know, you've been reallymore involved in, you know, a
(06:05):
passion of mine.
It was the volunteer foundation.
I was really involved with itwhen I was part of MBA and I'm
really picking up about it and Iwas like, well, tell me a
little bit more about it.
And so we did, and I was likethis is perfect, tell me more
Like we.
We started getting a lot and Ithink that's where it really
started picking forward.
We started picking up speed andwanting to get more involved,
(06:27):
and that's why we are where weare today and we are so proud,
as a leadership team, to beinvolved or have this
partnership with the volunteerfoundation, and we're thankful
that jeff introduced us, becauseyou know, and we're going to
learn more about, you know, thepurpose behind the volunteer
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foundation in a second.
But you know, for us it hitsclose to home, right, because
all of us within our industrycan, you know, can, could
potentially benefit from thisour families, could, it possibly
could impact all of us, butit's we want to grow it, it's
for the kids, right, right, butyou know, and so I, I shared
(07:12):
that little background.
You know how we, how we met um,you know, and and for those
that don't know, for those ofyou who, for some strange reason
, didn't attend last year'sannual um, we were able to raise
through a sock giving campaign,uh, five thousand dollars, and
(07:32):
we that we were able to donateto the bondra foundation at
annual um.
That was the first step in theright direction, no pun intended
, um, and starting thisrelationship off on the right
foot pun intended at that timeand so I think we want to
continue that effort.
But before we kind of talkabout Bollinger, the Bollinger
Foundation and the historybehind it and what we can do to
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support the foundation, first Ialways ask the same question and
I'm going to continue to askthe same question on every
single episode.
And I always ask the samequestion and I'm going to
continue to ask the samequestion on every single episode
and I always give the samepreface before this question.
I'm going to continue to do it.
The On Point podcast is a peoplepiece.
It's designed to share thestories of people who are making
(08:20):
a positive impact on ourindustry and I said that in my
intro of people who are making apositive impact on our industry
.
And I said that in my intro,and so in my mind, you two are
most certainly making a positiveimpact in our industry.
The Bollinger Foundation ismost certainly making a positive
impact in our industry.
And so, if you could, the firstquestion is who's Heather
(08:44):
Bollinger?
Who is Steve Bollinger?
So, if you could, heather, ifyou know who, who's Heather
Bollinger?
Who is Steve Bollinger?
So, if you could, heather, ifyou can go first, walk us
through who Heather Bollinger is.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Man, what a loaded question, Peter I do that on
purpose.
I know it's, it's awesome.
Well, first and foremost, wejust have to say how grateful
and excited we are about thispartnership, with all of you as
well, and we will get into itand everything but just just
thrilled with with how, thetrajectory of this and the
(09:13):
growth of it, so appreciate thatmeeting between you and Jeff
and the continued conversationand the evolution of that.
You know it's funny.
So, in the spirit of theBollinger, our father, so the
Bollinger Foundation.
Just to give a little history,which then leads into who I am,
(09:34):
when he passed away and theBollinger Foundation had started
, he was the assistant secretaryof HUD, of Housing Urban
Development, and so in that Ithink that um service mentality
has been a part of our family,as a core of of who we are, um
(09:55):
being able to give back, beingable to um make sure that we are
not only prioritizing familyand friends but our community as
a whole, the village that welive in, whether that be from a
global perspective or animmediate perspective.
So much so that you know, incollege I was a sociology major
(10:17):
and a gender studies minor andwent overseas from the beginning
part of my 20s and worked inanti-human trafficking work and
then came back to the States andthought I would be in that
realm of life and found myselfin this trajectory, within
(10:38):
marketing and media andadvertising and today running an
AI tech company, but findingdifferent avenues in which to
give back.
So being a founding member ofan organization that produces
impact media and impactdocumentaries is a passion point
of mine, right, so always kindof having that thread throughout
(11:03):
, throughout life.
So it is something I try toinstill in my daughter.
It is something so a mother whoam I?
I'm a mother, I'm a sister, I'ma you know all of the different
things Advocate and an ally, Iguess.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
To summarize it, that's awesome, that's awesome,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Steve, you're up.
Yeah, I'm glad that you had aHeather at first cause.
She definitely put the banks ina much better format than I
would have been able to expresshow grateful we are for this
partnership and what we havegoing on.
So, peter really appreciatethat, that, that it came out
that way, but no, I think it'suh.
(11:45):
You know, heather used the wordservice and it's funny.
Um, so I've helped run a uhreal estate development company
here in Columbus, ohio.
We have about 172 people and,uh, we had an all hands this
morning and, um, you know, oneof the things that I finished
with is how you know ourmanagement style and our leaders
(12:06):
are all service-basedleadership, and so something
that was instilled in us fromour mother was definitely giving
you those that are lessfortunate and being able to be a
part of something bigger thanourselves and being able to be a
(12:28):
part of something bigger thanourselves.
And so when I look at creditunions and it's funny being in
real estate now credit unionsare some of the best lenders
that we have and it's all basedon that people connectivity and
giving back to the community.
And so our main focus that I'veloved about Thrive is that I
get to instill a lot of myvalues and what my beliefs are,
(12:51):
in the sense of it's about yourpeople first it's about the
partners you work with, and thenthe end result is some good
work and your end user, yourcustomer, your resident, your
guest or whoever, is a happyperson.
And so I think, when looking atthe Bollinger, looking at the
work I do, and then being ayoung Having two kids, a
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two-year-old and a four-year-old, it's something that it's
pretty special to be lookingaround and seeing the good
that's in the world right now,when it seems like there's a lot
of chaos that's out there.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
So yeah, I love it, I absolutely love it.
All right, so Walk us throughand Heather, you kind of hinted
at it and you know what somewhatstarted it and how at it, and
you know what somewhat startedit and and the you know how.
But walk us through the historyof behind the bollinger
(13:50):
foundation.
You know why it was formed andand how we got to where we are
today.
As far as the foundation goesand and I I'm more than happy to
.
I.
I briefly talked about ourrelationship and how we forced
got together, but's focus on thebonder foundation sure, um.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So in 1984, um, my dad was the assistant secretary
of hud under the reaganadministration.
Um, we were in dc.
My mom mom had three girls andwas seven months pregnant with
this guy, steve.
At the time as well, when myfather was on a trip to Savannah
(14:33):
and passed away suddenly, ofdifferent advocates in the
government were, you know,trying to figure out a way to
support my mom in raising uskids, and so with that, the
Bollinger Foundation was formed.
(14:53):
Jeff Finkel from IADC and anumber of members from HUD as
well created the BollingerFoundation, all surrounding an
education grant for us kids sothat we were able to be
supported in continuing oureducation throughout our lives.
(15:14):
Flash forward to my mombecoming more on stabler ground
and was able to pay back thatgrant and start the Bollinger
Foundation to give back to theHUD and IEDC communities is
where it started at large forother children who may have lost
(15:35):
a guardian or parent in thosecircumstances as well.
So that's kind of the the youknow roots of the Bollinger
Foundation, and since then we'vebeen able to provide Steve, I
think it was what 339.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah, 339 grants and 1.5 million in grants over the
years, um, and our highestapplicants, uh, that we were
able to do was last year at$136,000 in grants and 19
applicants that received those.
So, um, it was really.
It was a really neat day to seethat, those kinds of numbers
(16:17):
from where we've come.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I mean Steve on it as far as really giving back
to the community, and I thinkyou know my dad was a Reagan
Republican in the service sector, my mom is a hippie chick from
Santa Cruz and this is kind ofwhat they created, and Steve and
I and our other two sisters,sisters and but all um, always
(16:49):
in putting um, I wouldn't it'snot necessarily putting others
first, but making sure we'reconsidering um, the fact that we
are more than just a singularin this world.
So um, really, that's, that'sthe core of the Bollinger.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, and, and I love that.
You know, and I think that'swhy we we, yes, we, we.
We selected the BollingerFoundation because it's it
impacts people within the realestate finance community and you
(17:27):
know, if something was tohappen to me, it'd be fantastic
to know that my kids couldpotentially have this aid right,
and I'm sure justin would feelthe same exact way I'm sure any
one of our any one of ourmembers could potentially have
this type of aid.
But what also, I think,attracted us to this was that
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community right For us.
We don't talk about membership.
We don't talk about anythingbesides community.
Our members are our communitythrough and through members, or
our community through andthrough.
And when you go out to adifferent credit union and you
(18:13):
focus on how credit unionsoperate within their communities
, they're one, right it's.
They know their families, theyknow every family in their
communities.
It's almost like cheers, right.
I often describe this year,right, it's.
It's.
They can walk into the branchand it's normal all over again.
(18:33):
And but when you come to ourevents, it's the same exact
thing.
It's.
It's the norm feeling wheneveryou come to our events.
If we can be part of yourcommunity and help grow it and
strengthen it, and knowing howstrong your community already
was and the fact that you guysbelieve in that community, I
think that's why we picked it.
You know a lot of these otherones.
(18:55):
We were just gonna be a numberand we didn't want to be that.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
We want to actually strengthen and be part of a good
community that was alreadythere, um and justin am I
hitting it or yeah, I mean wewanted to make an impact and
that was that was at theforefront of a lot of the
discussions we were havinginternally.
Um, I know that was a part ofthe discussion we had with you
guys as well.
(19:18):
Uh, just kind of making surethat we felt like we were going
to make an impact and that wewere going to be an asset to
your toolbox, right, because Imean, I come from the nonprofit
world myself and so that'sprobably the hardest part is
just finding ways to keep thosedonations coming in, especially
when the economy starts to gettighter.
It's you know how do we do that, and partnering with
(19:40):
organizations like we'vepartnered with you guys, like
that's a surefire way to keepsome donations coming around
yeah, and I think you know youguys mentioned the impact piece
and the thing that I'm mostproud of within the volunteers.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
You know nobody's paid, it's all volunteer based.
It's all something where youknow all the funds that come in
we put out as much as possible.
Uh, you know I forget what theuh, the factor, uh score the
ratio, but I think we're at like83 or 87 percent.
(20:16):
Uh, that's coming in is goingout, which is amazing.
Uh, thank god we do leave somereserves in the coffer because
things like covid come up and wewere still able to give grants
out that year, right, eventhough without having the golf
tournaments and the fundraisingand all that, and so that's been
really neat to be a part of, towhere there is no real red tape
(20:39):
around what's going on.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And to speak to the community that we have and what
an impact you all are able tomake in contribution to that.
I mean the Bollinger.
How many people have been ableto contribute and support and be
(21:12):
affected by the Bollinger aswell?
And we and we love that Acumais coming on as a vital part of
that.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And we appreciate that.
Let's focus on, you know,growth and and I don't want to
say long-term success, but we'reyou know, the, the future
outlook and the vision of of thebollinger you know, you know
and I guess you know anyone cananswer about.
I'll start with steve.
You know, where does what's thevision for the bollinger
(21:44):
foundation?
Um, how, what's, what's thatfive-year outlook look like?
10 years, what does that looklike for you?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
yeah, I mean um.
So this past year we had agreat meeting internally the day
before the the bollinger openum that takes place every june,
which is our biggest fundraiser.
But a few of us board membersgot together and started really
talking about that right, Likecoming together and
understanding what should be ourfocus, what should be some KPIs
(22:16):
, and the beauty of it was thefact that we kind of are just
sticking to what we have right.
What we do is kind of thisspecialty niche group of people
that can take advantage of thesefunds, wanting to keep it to
that and not try and scattershotand be everything to everyone.
(22:41):
And really I think the focusover the next five years is
getting the word out there, it'sgetting more applicants, it's
the fundraising about it, partof it.
And then, um, you know, I thinkideally we're in between that
half a million to a milliondollars a year in fundraising
(23:02):
and we're putting out that sameamount, right, Like I mean, I
think that there's a lot ofpeople out there that can take
advantage of.
You know what grants we'reallowed to give and you know we
really are looking at from thebeginning of education.
So you know, pre-K, all the waythrough college and being a
(23:22):
resource to people and we've putsome guidelines around that and
really wanting people to comeand, you know, take advantage of
that Right, and it's our job tofind applicants and find the
money to where we aren't havingto turn these people down.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, that's great Heather any thoughts?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Well, currently we are just speaking to the
escalation of the actualfinancial side of it.
Currently, we are small grants,you know, to the point where, as
if we can do the math, you know339 grants into 1.5 million
(24:01):
thousand dollars, a grant right.
To really be able to escalatethat and elevate that to um
would be ideal, as well as the.
The number of people, um thatwe're able to deliver the
support to the other side isjust rethinking our tactics and
(24:22):
how we're able to spread theword, the marketing aspect, the
outreach what does that looklike?
So, just revolutionizing orreinvigorating some of the
website, some of the tacticalsas well, in order to cater to
this next generation and howwe're communicating with them is
(24:44):
super important, whether thatbe through socials or whether
that be through differentopportunities of fundraising, to
the point of the sock drive orto the point of March Madness,
which is one of our other, youknow, fundraisers where it's
speaking to a different audiencethan maybe just what we've
typically gone for, which isthat golfer, because that is our
(25:06):
largest um fundraiser, right.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
so, um, allowing more opportunities yeah, who doesn't
like losing balls?
Speaker 5 (25:14):
right I mean, you know it's somewhat an investment
, but it's okay that's right.
Some of us lose more thanothers, right you know that I I
tell everybody all the time if Igo play golf, I'm definitely
going to the beach or to theocean I just like, justin, that
we're calling you the hawk.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I didn't realize that , yeah it's from when I was in
the military days, so sure justjust wait, just wait to the
final episode, when you actuallyhear the hawk screech, which is
no longer allowed to try tomake that noise again, because
it did not go over.
Well, I did not I I definitelytried making that sound one time
(25:55):
.
It did not sound good,especially with wounded bird,
yeah, especially the way myvoice yes, especially the way my
voice sounds right now,definitely not going to try it.
All right.
So next question I think it'sthe next logical question what
can Acuma and our community doto help?
And obviously, $5,000, althoughit was nice, like you just said
(26:22):
, heather, $8,000 is basicallyone grand.
What can we do to continue ourefforts to support the volunteer
foundation?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
loaded question.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, no, we love it.
I mean, there's there's so manydifferent aspects to that and
it's really, where are um, whereis akima comfortable in playing
with it?
Right, so your community canaccess so many of the different.
Come to the BollingerFoundation, you know open.
Come play golf with us, lose alot of balls, participate in
(26:59):
March Madness.
But we also know that you haveyour own ideas, too, on
different ways to reach thecommunity.
That might resonate more withyour community than maybe some
of the things that we've alreadyhave established.
So there are a number ofalready existing ways, and then
we welcome new ideas as well,steve.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, I mean I think I had a meeting yesterday with
Cosi here in Columbus and reallywhat we were talking about is
our strongest piece for Thriveand our company is being a
mouthpiece and being able todisseminate information out to
our 3,000 residents 5,000residents from Cosi's point.
(27:42):
So when we look at thesepartnerships, a lot of what
we're trying to do is, you know,wanting to prop up each other
right, like you know, when thesocial post goes out for March
Madness, like, get that out toyour network, like, if you guys
have a soft drive, we'll get itout to our network, I mean, it's
all about the connectivity andthe community that we're trying
(28:03):
to build and, you know, somepeople will be the people that
are coming out for the golf open.
Some people are giving $10 forthe March Madness bracket, some
people are giving $2,500, $5,000to be a sponsor and others are
going to be on the receiving end, receiving the grants and
applications, and so we look atit to where it's this like
holistic kind of process thatgoes ecosystem Right, and so I
(28:27):
think that's where, uh, it'sexciting to think about an
understanding like the yearlycadence of acuma.
Right, like you know, wealready have the annual endeavor
on our calendars to come backout and do those things, but I
think it's a, it's being amouthpiece for the bollinger and
being able.
(28:48):
What it boils down to is itsgrants and its sponsorships in
order to be able to, ordonations in order to provide
for those grants.
And if we can get those twopieces out to your guys' network
and our network and acceptcredit unions who doesn't love
going there to get theirmortgages over the big banks?
Right, it's a lot more, a loteasier, a lot more of a uh, a
(29:11):
great experience and so, um, Ithink I think there's a lot of
fun things that we could do, butto Heather's point, I think a
lot of it is.
You know, what does Acuma feelcomfortable doing?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well, I mean to to your last point.
You mean you're preaching tothe choir, comfortable doing.
Well, I mean to to your lastpoint.
You mean you're preaching tothe choir, um, but I mean, I
think you're you're going tofind that you know, yes, we do
have some tricks up our sleeve.
I think.
I don't think I know.
The Bollinger foundation isgoing to be part of our regular
conversation going forward atall of our events.
It's.
It's going to be part of our.
(29:43):
We're going to make it easilyaccessible for our members to
donate on our website at ourevents and and we're not just
going to wait to annual for thatsock giving campaign.
We're not always going to do asock giving campaign.
It's.
Maybe somebody else who knows,I don't really know they were
(30:05):
great socks, though, peter justthey were awesome socks they're.
I actually threw out all of mylike other socks and just
replaced them all with acumasocks yeah, very comfortable
socks they are great, um, butwe're gonna make it a year-round
thing, so we'll have qr codeswhere members can just easily
(30:28):
scan the QR code and donate atall of our events.
I mean that that's a.
That's what we're gonna try todo.
It's just gonna be a regularconversation.
You know one one thing I'mshocked no one you talk about
March, madness.
I'm shocked no one's done theSuperbowl squares as a way to
donate.
Those are always easy.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great idea yeah I mean we need
to do that it's right on thehorizon.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
My next door neighbor , uh, was just sent me a.
Uh, he's he coaches um the high, the local high school
basketball team, and he sent mea website, super Bowl pool, like
a swimming pool site where youcan actually set up a free grid
(31:18):
for charity.
Oh, that's really neat.
So he's doing it to raise fundsfor his girls basketball team.
So it could be an easy way todo it anyways see, justin knows
I'm filled with ideas full ofideas.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
We have no idea what's coming up next.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I know seriously, some of them good, some of them
bad a little bit of a squirrel.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
You guys are in DC.
So, commanders, fans, 100%,100%, are they going to be able
to stop Saquon?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
you guys are in DC, so commanders fans oh, a hundred
percent.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Oh, yeah, a hundred percent.
Are they going to be able tostop Saquon?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I don't, I don't want to jinx it.
Yeah, I'm not going to jinx itit's only been 30 years oh
dagger, what about you, justin?
Speaker 5 (32:09):
the Ohio State.
I'm a college football fan,more not Ohio State.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
I live in Columbus, but I as well am okay not being
the OHIO of everybody.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Yeah, I always Never mind If.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I would allow Justin to make all of our colors orange
.
He would, but not like the niceFlorida color orange.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
It's not a nice color at all.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
The ugly ugly, tennessee Sure, the Tennessee
color Great.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
I was shocked at how bad you guys played against the
Buckeyes.
Just saying.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Thank you, me too yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Thank you for saying that, Steve, yeah it was
horrendous.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Me too.
I was shocked too, don't worry.
Yeah, but it I was shocked too.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Don't worry, is Nico gone?
Speaker 5 (33:01):
nah, he's coming back , sadly.
It'll be fun.
There's always next season,which is like the mantra of the
DC sports area.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I'm not worried about it.
We got new life.
Daniel's a solid and, ifanything, I can always look to
the Ravens and watch them get tothe finish line and then just
trip.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Yeah, let's all like yes, that out.
That that hurts.
I'm a Ravens fan.
I just want to clearly statethe Ravens were a far better
team than the Bills.
They just beat themselves.
I feel bad for Heather.
She's a Bengals fan.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I was just going to say, guys, I'm a Bengals fan, so
we have an internal feud in ourhouse with in our entire family
.
So, steve being the Ravens, andmost of us.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I'm actually really disappointed that the Chiefs let
the Broncos win the way thatthey did yeah.
I really wanted the Bengals toget into the playoffs.
Yeah truly, I really did, butat the same time I may have put
money down that I know we're notsupposed to talk about betting,
but I was really hoping for aRavens commanders Superbowl.
(34:18):
Yeah, really hoping.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
That would have been fun.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's like the crosstown shootout, that's right
.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So it just sounds like we need to set up these
Superbowl squares, whateverthose are.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry I brought it up, but we got
totally good sidetrack.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Yeah, that is my sidetrack.
Yeah, that is my sidetrack.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, no, we, we got to get refocused.
It's actually really our lastquestion.
Last question, it's the samelast question that I ask
everybody.
Um, it kind of goes back to thefirst question I ask you and
again it kind of ties in thepeople piece, but it has to deal
(34:56):
with, you know, the motivationfactor.
You know we keep, we keeppushing forward every single day
.
You know, the two of you arelike the rest of us, one foot
out of bed every single day.
But in this case, your, your,your slight, your purpose is
(35:16):
slightly different.
Right, you have this, this,this, this willingness, this
desire to serve.
So the big question is whatkeeps you motivated, what keeps
you going to keep going, keeppushing forward?
That's the last question.
What keeps you?
What keeps you going, whatkeeps you motivated every single
day?
Since, heather, you answeredthe first question first.
(35:39):
I'm gonna let steve answer thisquestion first great.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Thank you, peter so then we would just keep sequence
as is.
But, um, no, I mean, uh,motivation, obviously.
Uh, my family, uh, my extendedfamily, where it's, you know,
it's my sister, it's my sister,it's my mom.
It's funny, my mom was clearingout some boxes and she found a
(36:05):
letter that I wrote her in sixthgrade about her being my hero,
and I still feel that today.
I think a lot of it is, um, thefact of not wanting to do
anything, just half ass, andwanting everything to be
exceptional and wanting it to besomething special that you give
to people.
And the experiences that youhave with others, um, and you
(36:29):
know, those experiences doesn'thave to be anything extravagant.
Uh, they can be simple things,uh, everyday occurrence.
It's funny People around heretalk about the sandwiches and I
know I'm the best sandwich makerin our office and so a lot of
times at lunchtime I'll goaround and say who wants a
sandwich?
(36:50):
And it's giving those momentsto people where, to your point,
everybody gets out of bed onestep forward.
We all wipe our own ass.
It's something where it's uh,it it.
We just want explicit.
Uh, yes, that is the split man.
(37:10):
I had so many others that wecould have thrown out, but I
told you smallest word.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's okay, I know now we can, now we can say it shit
darn, yeah I have two things foryou, though, steve.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
One I love the big daddy reference because that's a
great movie, yeah.
Two, what kind of sandwiches wetalking about?
Speaker 6 (37:27):
oh man, so typically I'll like we don't play about
sandwiches.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
When it comes to justin here, I love a good
sandwich.
So what are we talking?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
about.
So you know, I I do the broilof the bread and then I put the
sauce on the inside, so theoutside's still fluffy.
Uh, of the sandwich bread, andthen a lot of times you know
some mustard, mayonnaise, allthat jazz, but then you throw in
some like barbecue chips orlike jalapeno chips oh, you
gotta, crunchify it, you gottacrunchify.
(37:57):
Uh, good solid, got to crunchifyit.
Good like again, crunchylettuce.
Making sure the lettuce isright.
Huge pickle guy.
I understand some people aren'tpickle people so I always have
to ask on that.
And then typically it's justone meat.
I'm not a huge meat combined, Ionly need one.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
If you want to change that sandwich.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
You want to change the sandwich.
If you want to change thesandwich, change the meat,
Change the condiment, Take apickle off Multiple meats.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
I am too.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
I had a sandwich for lunch too, so I need another
sandwich Nice.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
A long line of sandwich makers.
Our mom was also very wellknown in the neighborhood and
circles of friends to alwayshaving the best snacks and the
place to go for any type ofsandwich or, you know, lunch
situation.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So now I want a good sandwich for dinner, I know,
Right.
All right so your motivation.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
I mean, obviously, I'm a single mom of a
seven-year-old and she keeps meon my toes every single day, so
just trying to create the worldI want her to experience and
allowing for some magic and somefun in there too.
I think we get so caught up inour rigor and roar of our daily
(39:17):
lives, and so to Stevie's pointtaking a moment to really
celebrate little moments ispretty important and always a
motivating factor.
I'm in a really crazy businessof AI, of generative AI, of
helping build a company, of AI,of helping build a company, and
(39:41):
you can get kind of swept awayby the technology and the
overarching momentum ofeverything and how the world's
changing so fast.
But one of the beautiful thingsabout our company with Verve is
that it's AI powered by people.
So to your point, peter, ofalways having people at the
center, even in this crazy worldof technology.
But keeping the human at thecenter of whatever we're doing
(40:05):
is a really huge motivatingfactor for me.
I think that, whether that bemy little one, or whether that
be our family and friends, orwhether that be that that
community we spoke of at large,it's, it's um, it's how, it's
the lens I use to live my life.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Okay, that's awesome.
Both of you Great answers, bothof you love it and I love that.
Family is very much involved inthat and really that's the root
, the root of why we're herewith the bollinger foundation.
So thank you very much.
So we're at that point in theshow where we need to transition
to the second segment of ourpolicy podcast not policy
(40:46):
podcast geez, look what's in myhead, justin um of our on point
podcast.
Now this is where we sometimesdo trivia, we do Jeopardy,
sometimes we do dad jokes, butthis time around we're doing
Jeopardy.
So, because the Super Bowl isliterally a few days away and
(41:12):
the fact that we actuallystarted talking about the Super
Bowl just a few minutes ago,we're going to do Super Bowl
Jeopardy.
Now, in just a quick second,I'm going to show on my screen a
little Jeopardy board.
Now, fair warning, like I toldyou prior to starting this
episode, this is a new Jeopardyboard for the Acuma On Point
podcast.
(41:32):
I have no idea what to expectout of it.
I did not create it.
I don't know the level ofdifficulty for it.
I checked out two questions andthey seemed okay.
I didn't check out the 500level, I only checked out the
middle levels and they seemedokay.
(41:52):
It seemed fun, so we're goingto go with it.
So we're going to go with it.
We're going to go with it.
Justin is the all-time loser ofAtmazon Point Jeopardy.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome.
He's probably the only one outof all the episodes Three times.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Sure, we'll go with three who's counting who's
counting, I mean mean when it'sthat low but I think we played
like 20 times now, now you'rejust digging in, I am so here
I'm gonna pull up on my screen,as I always do.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I will describe what I am sharing on my screen so
everyone can see it.
Let me move this out of the way.
Kind of like a weird lookingJeopardy board.
We have six categories in thisnew Jeopardy board Super Bowl
and football trivia.
The categories are Super Bowlhistory, players, teams,
(42:59):
halftime performances, recordholders and coaches.
Oh man, points range anywherefrom 100 to 500.
So, unlike our last Jeopardyboard where it was team one,
team two and team three, heather, you'll be team broccoli.
(43:19):
Steve, you'll be team potato.
Justin, your team pineapple.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
I mean potatoes and one hands down potato or
pineapple is definitely gonnawin.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I don't know about broccoli, but we're in, let's do
it so we'll just go broccolifirst.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Great, so oh, I forgot that.
Say this you do not have toanswer who is what is, etc.
You can steal.
But fair warning If you stealand you get it wrong, I take
(44:06):
away points pretty quickly.
If you get it wrong and I knowit's wrong, I don't give the
other person an opportunity tosteal, I just take away points.
So I'm a pretty vicious scorer.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
So how do you?
How do you steal?
Speaker 5 (44:22):
You just say I want to steal.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah, that's it All right.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Where are we going, heather?
Speaker 4 (44:30):
Let's go.
Let's go to teams for 200.
Peter teams for 200, PeterTeams 200.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Who has the most Super Bowl wins in the league?
Speaker 4 (44:44):
Do I answer Cowboys?
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yes, you just automatically answer.
The correct answer is.
How do I display the answer?
Speaker 6 (44:55):
The answer is not the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
No, I know, I don't know why that came out the
Pittsburgh Steelers.
I just don't like the Steelers.
They were out of my mind.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Alright, so womp, womp, that's right.
Oh, do you guys hear that buzz?
I hear it on my end.
Oh, it's it on my end.
Oh, it's buzzing on my endInteresting.
All right, that was 200.
I don't like this board.
We're not going to use this oneagain.
(45:27):
All right, team Potato, you areup.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah, I'll go with teams for five.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Teams for 500.
What football teams have nevermade it to the super bowl teams?
Oh, and also, I don't know whenthis was made that's uh.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
Yeah, so like houston texans haven't.
But the oilers, I believe, haveum uh you know, technically the
technically the titans.
Now right well, houston oilerswent to tennessee titans and
then houston got the texans, somaybe I throw out the texans.
Um, I would say jaguars havemade it, panthers have made it.
(46:13):
Jaguars have made it, panthershave made it.
Commanders have right.
Commanders are new, but theystay with Washington.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
Man Cardinals made it .
Is there a timer?
Speaker 6 (46:34):
I feel like Minnesota Vikings no.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Justin are you going to steal?
Speaker 3 (46:45):
give me final answer.
I mean Texans you're going withone and Vikings Texans and
Vikings Texans and Lions Texansand Justin, do you want to steal
it all?
Texans and Lions Texans andLions Heather, do you want to
steal?
Speaker 4 (47:02):
I was going to say Lions All right.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
The correct answer is A lot of teams.
Yes, I know Cleveland Browns,Detroit Lions, Houston Texans
and the Jacksonville Jaguars,but all of you got it wrong.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
I did not get it wrong.
I said Lions.
You said Lions and Houston.
You didn't say we had to nameevery team.
It said teams as in plural.
Justin, oh, I judge.
I tell you every time, this iswhy we lose.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Justin, just because you fall with me.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'm taking away extra points.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
This is tough.
I mean, Peter, you are tough.
I love it All right.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
All right, justin, I don't like that.
I lost extra points.
We're going to go with halftimeperformances for 400.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Which artist performed the Super Bowl
halftime show in 1993?
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Yeah, where were you in 93?
I was in kindergarten, so Icouldn't even tell you what was
popular in 93.
I was 13 like Michael Jacksonthat's probably a good guess
Speaker 4 (48:26):
steal it.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Heather, yeah, I don't know this one.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
I was helping.
Speaker 5 (48:31):
I'm gonna go with the Beach Boys.
Beach Boys, definitely theBeach Boys.
Heather, are you stealing?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
okay, michael Jackson correct answer is Michael
Jackson.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Good job, heather thank you, that's awesome.
That was four.
Perfect wait, you had 700 thereyou go.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Sorry, justin, that was four.
Perfect wait.
There you go.
Sorry, justin nice.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
We're all in the negative, though, guys seven
plus four, come on, all rightnext question let's go.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
I don't like this one because it doesn't
automatically just do it.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
I know, all right this is fun Heather up to you
let's do.
I don't like this one becauseit doesn't automatically just do
it.
I know.
All right, this is fun Heatherup to you.
Let's do, oh gosh, ok, let's doplayers for 100.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Players 100.
Which NFL quarterback has beento the most Super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
You know New England.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Oh God, tom brady correct answer is tom brady.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Yes, good job thank you, that was a that was a hard
one well, I gottied for a secondon him.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
All right, Steve.
Speaker 6 (49:59):
Record holders for 200.
Record holders 200.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Who holds the record for the most passes attempted in
their whole career.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
Oh man, it's not even Super Bowl.
Then, brett Favre, that's agood guess.
I mean he had a long careerthrew the ball, a lot went to
some Super Bowl.
Brett Favre by my answer passattempts maybe not catches, but
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Justin stealing?
Speaker 5 (50:38):
no, I'm not gonna steal, you gotta hit the button.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I know.
See if there's a better way,because this has to see answer.
Speaker 5 (50:50):
Brett.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Steve nice look at that yeah good job it was very
good.
Speaker 5 (50:59):
Alright, pineapple, I'm going to go with coaches for
500.
Are you just trying to lose?
Well, I'm trying to get back init.
I'm not so far behind.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
That's a hard category.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
So far.
Halftime performances was alsohard.
Don't worry, I have it covered.
I know how I'm going to getthis one right.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
AI.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
No, we don't cheat, better not.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Oh, there is a timer up here.
Oh, look at that.
I know which head coach retiredfrom the NFL with the most
games under their belt ooh, itmight help if I knew more
coaches that's what I'm saying.
Why'd you pick this category?
Speaker 5 (51:52):
we're gonna go with the Green Bay coach from the
first Super Bowl, etc.
Give me a name.
I don't know his name.
Look, I don't know NFL.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
So like we're kind of screwed here.
Why'd you pick this category?
Speaker 5 (52:16):
because I was hoping it wouldn't be this hard.
What's his name?
Okay, we'll go Bill Belichick,even though he's not retired.
Belichick, etc.
Belichick etc.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Steve Heather, you want?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
to steal okay.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
I would have said like Shula maybe I don't even
know who that is.
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of coaches that have just
been around for a long time.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
All right.
Correct answer is George Hallis.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
Oh, for sure I would have got.
That was my second choice.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 6 (52:51):
Yeah, no idea who that is no, no clue no.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I want to see okay, let's see one more round, then
we'll wrap up impossiblejeopardy all right broccoli
let's do all right, we'll doSuper Bowl history, just to
break open that column.
So 200, please, peter.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Super Bowl history 200.
Which NFL was the first team towin five Super Bowls?
I?
Speaker 6 (53:30):
feel like this is a trick question.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I'm going to rephrase it, because this is a stupid
question which team in the NFLwas the first to win five Super
Bowls?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Okay, okay, first team to win five Super Bowls.
I don't know.
I'll stick with the Patriots,since I'm in that zone.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
They don't want to steal.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
I mean, I'm pretty certain it's the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
I think too.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
I just don't want to ever answer the Steelers.
I'm sorry, that's what I thinktoo.
I just don't want to everanswer the Steelers, so I'm
sorry alright.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Well, steve, you technically said Steelers first,
so it's going to be your Steel,if it's right then it's
Justin's, if it's wrong that'sfine, I'll take that the correct
answer is San Francisco 49ers.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
Nice man, mom would beat us up.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
Totally, as would Gabriel Huge, fan of the 49ers.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
All right, steve, you are up.
Speaker 6 (54:50):
Players for five Players for five Players for
five Nice.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Which player has scored the most career Super
Bowl points.
Speaker 6 (55:01):
So I'm guessing it's a kicker.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Interesting, you wouldn't think.
A receiver.
Speaker 6 (55:09):
No, I'm going to go.
Adam Vinatieri.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
You think he's been to that many Super Bowls.
I?
Speaker 6 (55:16):
mean Colts Patriots okay alright.
I think it's a kicker.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
I mean, it's a good guess, it's a solid guess.
Speaker 6 (55:31):
I would have said like Montana yeah, but Montana
doesn't score the points, hethrows the ball, so like the
points go to the running backreceivers, well, let's see.
Is what it should be.
Yeah, Alright we'll see.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
Then Rice.
You think it's a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (55:52):
No, I don't think it's a quarterback no, I don't
think it's a quarterback thenit'll be like rice receiver yeah
all right.
The correct answer is jerryrice there you go all right,
nicely done.
Yeah, was that 500 yeah, it wasnow.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
It's just who loses the least.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Yeah, it's definitely be Justin.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
All right, Justin, bring us home.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
Come on, Hawk.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
All right, we're going to go with halftime
performances for 500.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Which artists performed the halftime show in a
downpour in 2007?
Speaker 6 (56:36):
Senior year of high school.
No college, oh, there's no wayI would remember that.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
I was yeah way too young during that game.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (56:53):
Is that the Timberlake Janet Jackson one?
Speaker 4 (56:57):
that was later, but I like where your mind is.
I think that was more in theteens, like early teens, but try
it yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
I mean, I can't think of anything, or was I in 2007?
Okay, I know where I was.
Speaker 3 (57:17):
Let me try a hint.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Yeah, let's see for the last question.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
Yeah, let's see what's the hint say Where's the
hint?
Speaker 3 (57:28):
That's not a hint, I just turned it on.
Oh, here it is, wait.
Speaker 5 (57:33):
It says collapse the podiums okay which are this I
don't know.
I'm going with Jackson andTimberlake.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Prince, what a good one, I would say.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
Snoop and Dre a few years back in LA was what a good
one.
Yeah, I would say Snoop and Drea few years back in LA.
Heather is actually out therethe.
Bengals lost, by the way yes,thank you yes but that was an
amazing halftime show that wasepic that was probably one of
the best ones.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, so to wrap up this episode's On Point, my
activist On Point podcastJeopardy, we have Heather ie
Broccoli with negative 400.
Steve ie Potato with negative1,000.
And Justin ie Pineapple withnegative a thousand.
(58:34):
And Justin ie Pineapple withnegative 2,100.
Definitely not your worst, butnot your best.
Speaker 6 (58:42):
Fuck.
Speaker 3 (58:44):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
It's already been explicit.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
No, it's.
Speaker 5 (58:50):
That's what makes this fun, by the way, that was
impossible.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
Jeopardy that was impossible jeopardy, that was
really hard it's pretty hard,yeah, but I like it.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
I mean, we won't use that super, that jeopardy board
ever again.
Okay, you always complain aboutthe other one, so I thought I'd
try a new one well, I triedusing the etc answers and that
didn't count.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
So the other board.
Maybe the other board was on ajeopardy board.
I try a new one.
Well, I tried using the etc.
Answers and that didn't count.
Maybe the other board was on a.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Jeopardy board.
Yeah, the other board has etcas part of the answers.
It's like how can you have thatas part of the answer?
Really bad.
Speaker 6 (59:25):
Maybe you do level 100 moving forward.
If that was middle tier, yeah,seriously.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah, well, let's go ahead and wrap up heather steve.
Thank you very much for fortaking time out of your
schedules to sit down with usand kind of, you know, walk us
through.
You know the bollingerfoundation really enjoyed, you
know, the conversation.
Uh, again, appreciate it.
I, I love, love thispartnership and looking forward
(59:57):
to seeing how we grow together.
And, as I mentioned, I thinkthis is just the beginning and I
truly hope that our membersembrace the idea of giving and
really supporting a, a really acharity that really hopefully
(01:00:20):
they don't need to, but reallycould benefit them and their
families at some point in time.
So thank you very much for forbeing here.
Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Thank you it was great, a lot of fun.
Good, okay, you're welcome andJustin, thank you very having us
.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Thank you, it was great with a lot of fun.
Good, you're welcome and Justin, thank you very much.
As always, of course, it was mypleasure and, just to close out
, thank you again to Dark Matterfor sponsoring today's episode
and to all of you.
We know your time is valuable.
Thank you for tuning in to thelatest episode of Acuma's On
Point Podcast.
We hope you enjoyed it.
(01:00:52):
Until next time, be well myfriends, Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
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