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May 7, 2025 46 mins

In this episode, Johanna sits down with Hayley from Therapist Rising to talk about the chaotic, courageous, and often life-altering path of self-discovery especially when chronic health, burnout, and big professional pivots are in the mix. She discusses her personal journey as a Clinical Psychologist with burnout and how she found herself pivoting to creating a successful business supporting therapists who wish to diversify their offerings.

From redefining what success looks like to setting boundaries that honour both ambition and wellbeing, this conversation is a must-listen for anyone feeling stuck, exhausted, or called to do things differently.

🌟 What We Cover

  • Why burnout isn’t a failure, it's feedback

  • How chronic illness can disrupt (and reshape) professional identity

  • The power of small steps in creating big change

  • The sunk cost fallacy and why it keeps so many therapists stuck

  • Why reframing, not resisting, change can be the key to freedom


🔑 Key Takeaways

  • Self-discovery starts by knowing what doesn’t work

  • Your health and your goals can (and should) coexist

  • Impact doesn’t have to come at the cost of exhaustion

  • Boundaries are a form of radical self-respect

  • The "messy middle" is part of every meaningful transition


💻 Find Hayley & ResourcesCheck out ⁠therapistrising.com⁠ for training, resources, and support for professionals ready to disrupt the traditional therapy model and do business differently.


You can get in touch with ADHD Her Way podcast by:

- Contacting via email: hello@adhdherway.com

- Visit our site: ⁠www.adhdherway.com


⏱️ Chapters
00:00 – Introduction
03:01 – Disrupting the Mental Health System
05:16 – Rethinking Business Models in Therapy
10:54 – Burnout and Sustainability in Allied Health
16:19 – Taking Responsibility for Change
21:05 – Navigating Career Transitions
26:41 – Reframing Identity and Values
32:54 – Embracing Change and Boundaries
39:01 – The Power of Saying No
47:30 – Working with Chronic Health
53:32 – Neurodiversity in Professional Spaces
56:22 – Balancing Creativity and Structure

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