Marci Warhaft - The Story Behind "The Good Stripper," Embracing Authenticity, and Finding Joy in Life's Unpredictable Turns - Afternoon Pint

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cheers, cheers.
Welcome to the Afternoon Play.
I'm Mike Tobin, I am MattConrad, and who do we have with
us today?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm Marcy Warhack.
Marcy, author of the GoodStripper.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Alright.
Author of the Good Stripper.
So that's a whole other thing.
We'll unpack in a minute herewhat we like to do generally.
When we first start, we talk alittle bit about what we're
drinking.
So, Mike, we're stilltechnically in January while
we're recording this, so you'restill drinking non-alcoholic

(00:35):
beers.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
This is a white non-alcohol craft beer.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I got Great Roads .
Anyone who listens to us knowsthem.
We go to great roads often.
This is my favorite beer thatthey do.
It's their red ipa.
So it's uh, yeah, great, greatbeer, so, yeah.
So what do you?
What do you got there, marcy?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I have got some vodka .
Vodka straight up, it's theonly thing I drink.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
If I drink, it's vodka and it's just great vodka
that's gangster.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's pretty badass considering I don't like I
didn't drink for a million yearsand then started and yeah, I
just like it's clean, straight.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
So yeah, what's your, what's your favorite vodka?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
then you know what I really should have one, but I'm
so not picky.
This happens to be gray gooseonly because I was visiting my
son and he had it.
He doesn't drink it, so he saidhe could have it, but honestly
I'm so not fancy, okay, yeahyeah, that's that vodka is
probably on my on one of my likeleast favorite things to drink.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
But really occasionally there's some good
ones out there and, like youknow, you can get some pretty
good ones that are out there.
But I had a vodka that was fromNew Brunswick that was oaked
and it was probably it had alittle yellowish Hue to it but
it was probably my favoritevodka I ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Really I don't drink a lot of it, but there's no
hangover Wine.
I love the idea of wine, but itgives me a headache, it makes
me sleepy and anything else Idon't like.
But there's, you know, not nohangover wine.
I love the idea of wine, but itgives me a headache and makes
me sleepy and anything else is.
I don't like sweet drinks, soyou know it's pretty nice.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Just yeah, straight up Russian style.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Exactly, one of my grandfathers was Russian, so
maybe it's in there somewhere.
Maybe it's in my DNA.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
There you go, there you go.
So that's it.
So okay.
So yeah, so you alluded to itright away.
I mean, we talked a little bitbefore when we were getting set
up and everything.
So you reached out to usbecause of a previous guest of
ours, julie, yeah, and you had acouple different things.

(02:42):
I mean, we have a bunch ofthings that I want to talk about
Obviously, the Good Stripper,the fact that you actually were
with Defy magazine at one point,and then also you had your own
podcast.
Let's do a couple clips.
There's a couple of interestingthings there that I'd also like
to talk about too.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh, really Okay, Cool Fun.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, so thanks, I guess, to julie, because that
that's kind of how youdiscovered who we are.
That's how we discovered whoyou are and, uh, really
appreciate you.
Uh, you reaching out, because Imean anytime someone reaches
out to us and says, hey, I'dlike to be on your podcast, I am
the good stripper.
I have lots of crazy stories totell.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I mean yeah.
How do you say no to that?
How do we say no to that.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's a good lead-in.
That's a really good lead-in.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So I guess, like I don't know, do you want?
I guess we can start off with,uh, with the good stripper.
So I I like the little subtitletoo is soccer's, soccer mom's
memoirs to Lies, loss and LapDances.
So let's talk about Nicole'snotes of the book.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, I'll tell you this.
It's actually the title is abit deceiving in that when you
look at it you think, oh, it'sgoing to be a stripper story,
but it's not, and that's.
Did I ever dance?
Yes, but honestly, maybe for afew months over 20 years ago.
It was not a big part of mystory.
It's a significant part of mystory because it's like how did
I get there?

(04:10):
It's not the typical story andand it was, uh, like I said, it
didn't go on for that long, butthe dancing was part of a double
life that I led for a few years.
So that that's the bigger story.
It's a smaller part of a muchbigger story, and I mean in a,
in a nutshell, which is so it'sso hard, but without giving too

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much weight it.
Basically I wrote it because tworeasons.
One, I was somebody who startedoff in life thinking I could do
anything and I had this reallysupportive, encouraging family
and everything was great and Ifelt loved and safe and I was
this little like I would.
I was very outspoken, but Iwould also dance and sing and

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that kind of kid, you know.
And then life was like wait,hold on, like not so fast.
You think everything's great.
But hold on a second sister andit started kind of sucker
punching me and I had some majorthings happen and I kind of
lost my self-worth and myself-esteem and I went from
being a kid who thought I coulddo anything to thinking I

(05:15):
deserved nothing and I was worthnothing.
And that set me up for somestuff in life.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Why do you think those feelings happen when
you're so young that you stopbelieving in yourself at such a
young age?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think there were so many things.
I mean, that's the thing withthe book.
I'll just tell you this I wasseeing a therapist many, many
years ago, before I wrote thebook, and she said you know,
your life would be a great story, but nobody would believe that
everything happened to oneperson.
So there's so many things, butI mean I think the, the, the,
the major thing that that turnedmy life upside down was when I

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was 17 and my parents weredivorced and my father was out
of the picture and I was very,very close with my big brother,
who was five years older.
So I was 17, he was 21 and hegot sick and he died and I
didn't see it coming.
I was writing my English exam.
I got pulled out of class andwas told he died.
And I always say that that theminute before I heard that Billy

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died was the last minute I feltsafe in the world.
So at that age, when you'resupposed to feel invincible,
right, as a teenager, you thinknothing bad's going to happen.
I was like everything bad canhappen, like if, if, this could
happen.
So I felt very unsafe.
I felt I had no control.
So I had to figure out how I'mgoing to control my life.
And I also felt he was so great,like he was such a great person

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, and I'm like I can't, I'm notlike that, like the world needs
him more than me.
So I felt it should have beenme.
And even though I had afantastic mother who was like so
I felt it should have been me,and even though I had a
fantastic mother who was like no, my God, no, what would I do
without you?
I still felt like it shouldhave been me.
And so I sort of went throughfrom then on, thinking like okay
, like I can't, I'm not goodenough, so I have to sort of

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prove that I'm good enough.
But I didn't fit and try to bethe best, but never thinking I
could.
So it just and that kind ofsnowballed and I wasn't prepared
for how life would throw thingsat me.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I wasn't prepared for some people that manipulated me
and kind of betrayed me, andare you talking like friends or
family I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I got married and, and you know that ended up.
Yeah, I was married for a longtime and and we had a great
marriage for part of it, andthen things took a turn.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I was 24 which was for me it was it was.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
It was.
Yeah, I think it's young youknow, I was still not, I don't
know who, didn't know who I was,and right, yeah, um, everything
seemed like maybe okay, maybemy, if I got married, my life
will be normal.
You know, because I've beenthrough I mean, there's so much
crazy stuff until I was 24, likewild stuff.
But it just didn't and thingsjust took a turn and it set me

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in into experiences and placesthat I just I didn't expect and
it took me out of myself for awhile and the dancing became
part of it and I was marriedwith kids.
I didn't expect, and it took meout of myself for a while and
the dancing became part of itand I was married with kids.
I didn't need to do it Wheneversomebody's funny.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
So the double life spirit from the marriage got
really working, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
It got weird and I had been through so much trauma,
like we're talking, there wascrime in my story, there was
death, there was a near-deathexperience for me Like so much
craziness that I hit a pointwhere I'm like I can't.
Like I always say a therapist Ithink that she may have made
this up but said to me shecalled it a traumatic overload.

(08:37):
And it's when there's just somuch and I haven't had a chance
to catch my breath.
It was usually one thing afteranother after another that your
body just goes you're done, youcan't anymore.
So then when the next thingcame, I was just like all right,
that's it, like I'm just gonna.
So when people don't know mystory and they see the stripper
part, they'll often say sort ofthat that cliched.

(08:58):
Well, you know you were doingwhat you had to do to put food
on the table.
I'm like, no, I was married, hehad a good job, there was food
on the table.
The reason I did it was socrazy.
So the reason I wrote the bookwas after I got.
I ended up getting out of thiscrazy life and I thought, okay,
I'm on kind of the straight andnarrow, but I had so much guilt

(09:20):
and shame over stuff that I haddone, that I carried with me and
that brought back that feelingof that low self-esteem where I
thought, okay, I did bad thingsin my head, huge bad things that
I don't deserve to be happy, Idon't deserve to be healthy, I
don't deserve to be loved.
I was trying to do that for mymarriage and with my kids, but

(09:41):
for me I didn't believe it andthat is a terrible way to live.
And then I got divorced and Iwas turning 50.
And you know how you have yourthe terrible twos that kids go
through.
Can I swear, yeah, okay.
So I think I went through ourstill going through like my zero
fucks left fifties, and I waslike you know, I was turning 50

(10:04):
and I was like I'm done hiding,I'm done, I was carrying these
secrets around with me.
What if people find out thestuff that I did?
Nobody knew I danced, nobodyknew other stuff?
And what if my kids find out?
They were like teenagers at thetop?
I'm like it was a horrible wayto live and I'm like you know
what, I'm done hiding.
And I had a couple of friendswho knew parts of my life, not
all of it, but they said youshould write a book because

(10:27):
you've been through so much andyou survived so much.
You could be inspiring.
And I was like no, because tome I was seeing my failures,
they were seeing my successes.
I was seeing how many times Ifell down.
They were seeing how many timesI picked myself up.
I wasn't there yet, and it waswhen those things kind of came
together that I went.
You know what, like I am justgoing to put it out there and

(10:51):
whatever happens happens Ifpeople are mad at me, because I
thought everyone's going to bemad at me, people are going to
lose respect for me.
But I really was at a pointwhere I'm like, okay, there's
more years behind me than out ofme.
Okay, there's more years behindme than enemy.
And I also learned that I hadsurvived some really tough stuff
and I thought that's the hardpart, right.
Like getting through what I gotthrough was a hard part.

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If someone judges me for how Isurvived, I can handle that Like
that's on them.
So I had to get to a point, youknow, and so with my story it's
a lot of it's not like it wasgood, then it was bad, then it
was good.
It was it was good, then it wasbad, then it was good, then it
was bad, then it was better,then it was bad, and that's like
and I'll just say this like I'mrambling, but even though the

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details of my story are unique,like there's some interesting
stuff in there what I'm findingis that the people who read it
will come to me or message meand say that they can relate to
so much more of it than theyexpect it to, because the themes
are universal.
Right, everyone's been throughloss or bad relationships or
issues with their kids, orissues with their parents or

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health stuff, or like there'sthat's universal.
So even though the details aredifferent, the themes are the
same, and so I'm so glad I wroteit.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's probably really relieving to
kind of also just get it offyour chest and then to be like,
well, it's out now and you knowa weight off of your shoulders,
a sense, right it is.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's funny, though, because writing it is one thing.
Then, when I heard it was goingto be published, like that's
super exciting, then you realize, like when people will say to
me it just happened at my dinnerthe other day, where a girl was
like I ordered your book andI'm always like you're gonna
learn a lot about me so it'slike the idea that oh god, wait,
people are gonna read it and Idon't hold back, like I'm like

(12:39):
if I was gonna write it, I wasgonna write it.
So you do get to know me reallywell.
So that's a weird, that's avery weird feeling to know like,
oh God, people are.
So I'm always kind of like okay,but it's, it is unbelievably
liberating, because I do kind offeel like I really can say
anything and do anything now,because I I kind of shared

(13:02):
everything pretty much.
I mean there's more now, butit's very freeing.
It really is.
It's not for everyone, and Iget a lot of messages from
people saying how could you beso honest?
And I'm like try it.
Like you think the world'sgoing to collapse, it doesn't,
you know what I mean it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's awesome what year did the book come out?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
2001.
That's awesome.
So you're the book of 2021,2021.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
2021.
Yeah, so it's been a few years.
Yeah, and you have an audiobook now too with it.
Yeah, and do you read?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
the audio book yourself.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yes, oh cool.
Oh good, that's great.
Yeah, that'd be a fun lesson.
Yeah, so cool.
So I guess now, where?
Where is the stand today?
Are you?
Are you going around, you'redoing public speaking, or how
are you staying engaged and kindof?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, well, there's some things in the works I can't
talk about just yet with thebook, but yeah, I do a lot of
book clubs, which is really funand and things like that, and I
also, from this, I'm going to doa few things.
I'm also a fitness instructorand personal trainer and I do
that.
But with this, I've had a lotof people come to me and ask,
like I said, how are you sohonest or how did you get rid of

(14:11):
the shame?
So I do some resiliencytraining where I help people get
through some of the shame, andthen I also help people who are
putting together books with withediting and that.
So it just kind of takes me Ido different things.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Like it's, it's opened up um so many different
venues.
So, to stay on the shame part,like I, I mean, for some reason,
I don't know, I don't love thatword shame, just because it's
like you know what, I don't know, I mean I, I, I haven't lived
your life so I can't say that'ssomething you should be ever be
ashamed of.
More of a sense of personalembarrassment or personal
whatever.
Right, like that, worry aboutyour kids, my bad, I get right,

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you know, and uh, I mean, how doyou, uh, how do you get people
to cope with this?
Like, uh, you know, we were allat that point.
Now I mean, I'm over 40 andthere's things that I wanted to
do that I never did, right, likeyou know.
Maybe just uh, artisticendeavors or whatever, where I'm
afraid that if I go and do that, like, if I go put out a music,
a song that's a little, youknow, aggressive or whatever,

(15:09):
that it might ruin my career,you know, or something like that
.
Right, let's just say right,yeah and uh, so I worry about
that stuff all the time andevery creative, even this
podcast was probably crippledfor years before it actually
came out because I was so afraidjust to make something right,
like I was, like what if I?
look like a complete dumbass andeverybody thinks I'm just lost

(15:32):
my mind and every you know whatI mean and everybody shuns me
out.
I was super worried about that.
So I get it from thatperspective of but uh, yeah, I
don't know what like how do youhelp people do?
That well, you know, I'll tellyou.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Well, you know I'll tell you.
There's so many things, butI'll tell you this one thing I
realized.
First of all, somebody is goingto think you're an idiot.
It doesn't matter what you do,there's always going to be
somebody and there's alwaysgoing to be somebody.
But who cares?
What I realized was um, becauseI did have people sometimes
like I curse sometimes or I,whatever, I'm very out there and
I'm very on people like oh,don't you think maybe you're

(16:05):
missing out on someopportunities, or maybe you know
you're turning some people off.
And my thing is, it would be somuch worse if I lost out on an
opportunity that could have beenfor me because I didn't show
them who I was then missing outon something because I am who I
am, you know what I mean.
Then it's not right for meanyway, If I'm being as Marcy as
I can be and somebody goes oh,she's not for us, I'm not for

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them, because they would figurethat out anyway.
But imagine if I was holdingback something that I loved and
that's exactly what they'relooking for.
That's such a shame, you know.
So it's, it's.
It's that whole kind of cliche.
I hate cliches, but the thingis, you know your vibe attracts
your tribe.
You know it's like the more youyou are, then you're going to
get the people who get you, andwhy would you that's a wicked

(16:50):
way to say it your vibe attractyour tribe.
Yeah, I like it I like it.
Yeah, man a million quotes thatwe'll see on social media saying

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just be you right, I mean hereand then, but the follow-up is
really, but not like that, youknow, or as long as you are like
me and there's so much of that,um, but you know what I I don't
know what it is.
I really just kind of flippedthis.
Something happened with mewhere it was just like I truly
am not bothered, like really ittook me this long, though it

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took from somebody who caredwhat everybody thought, you know
, to really not worrying aboutwhat other people think, because
they're not worrying about whatI think.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, nobody's waking up in the morning going,
oh God, what should I wear?
What would Marcy like?
Or should I do that, what wouldMarcy?
So why am I giving them thatkind of energy?
I don't anymore.
So I think it's that fear.
Also, the fear that I noticedwhat I thought okay.
So I thought I didn't share mystory because I was afraid of

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what would happen.
But what the reality is, I wasthe one that was holding myself
back.
It was me, it wasn't anybodyelse.
Right, I was the one judgingmyself.
So what actually happened iswhen I did release the book I
remember doing my first bookclub and I thought, oh, these
women are going to be mad at mewith certain things.
They were totally into anotherpart.

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You know, it's like the thingsthat we think are so huge to
somebody else not such a bigdeal, but they might see
something else and go oh, Idon't get that.
So I'm just projecting.
I was all that shame.
I didn't have to carry itbecause nobody else was looking
at me like that, and so I wasable to let that go, which is

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huge.
So that's the thing it's torealize, also the power of
sharing it.
What's amazing is there's somany things that we do and we
think we're the only one youknow, or things that we've done
and we think, oh, this is soterrible.
Then you hear somebody else sayno, I did that.

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And you're like oh, oh, she'snot a terrible person.
Oh, and you did that.
So you realize, oh, we're humanand there's so much power in
that.
But you don't know if you'reholding that in.
You think you're the only one.
We kind of bully ourselves rightand sometimes we're our biggest
, our own biggest bully Most ofthe time yeah most of the time,
yeah, for sure we wouldn't talkto other people the way we talk
to ourselves.
And and it's amazing how, justbecause I'm so open, there are,

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I had so many strangers who will, who will send me like their
deep and darkest secrets,knowing, and it's true, I won't
tell anybody, and and you knowthat I won't judge them, but
it's amazing and it's, but it'salso.
They'll say to me I can't sharethis yet, like I can't, but
they tell me like a confessionOkay, was.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Was there ever a message that you got where you
were just like Whoa?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
there were a couple, there were a couple, there were
a couple, there were a couple.
Yeah, yeah, there were a couple.
Uh, from a guy I can think ofand a woman I could be, yeah,
where I was like, oh all right,um, but hey, I know nothing like
that, not like that, okay but,um, but, but yeah, and then you
realize, I never would haveguessed, you know, and that
that's the thing you knoweveryone else seems so together,

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and then you realize, no,nobody's together well, it was
weird.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I was talking to matt the other day about, like I
don't know, our show and ourmedia kind of the direction
we're going to be going to sharewith some other projects we're
working on and uh, it's like youknow, I was telling him a book
I read.
That was when I was reallyyoung.
It was about, you know, calledstick to your end.
The motto of the book was mymaestro fresh west.
You know, maestro fresh ofcourse he wrote a book called

(20:44):
stick to your vision, based on asong he had called stick to
your vision in like 97 or 99,right, okay, okay.
So I read the book because Iwas like a kid at the time or a
kid, I was like 20 right when itcame out and I like the book
really resonated.
I loved his book, I really did,and I won't get him on the show
here soon enough and get totell him that person, I can't
wait until we do that.
But, uh, one of the things hehad that I had the hardest time

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finding was he said first youneed to identify your vision and
you're like whoa, that firststep is the hardest, right, like
I mean, you know.
So, like, for you, youobviously, all, through all
these trials and tribulations,at some point something
resonated where you had like anarrow, a vision, an ulterior

(21:28):
motive, with all the experiencethat you had in life, to kind of
build something out of it.
Right, do you know how yourealize that?
Like, do you know how you cameto that kind of conclusion from
everything?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I think, well, I, I, I'm still figuring that out.
I think I, you know, I alwayssay I change every six months
and something new and figuringout something new, and I evolve.
And but I mean the first thing,like we talked about at the
beginning, where, um, when Iworked with julie and I was the
body image expert in hermagazine, is I, you know that's,
that was one thing that kind ofhelped me get out of some bad

(22:04):
stuff.
Was that?
Um, one of the things thathappened when my brother died
was that I developed an eatingdisorder because it was this
thing of two, two things.
It was that okay, if I can't besmart enough and interesting
enough, I'll try to be prettyenough.
And at that point, eighties notthat it's different now, but
it's skinny enough and also itwas control.
At that age, when nothing is inyour control, what's the one

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thing you can control is yourbody.
Right, I can control what I'meating, what I'm not eating.
And I had a doctor I talk aboutin my book who really messed me
up with that and told me Ineeded to lose weight to fit
into society, even though I wasat a very healthy weight.
I was teaching dance, but hewas just not a good person and
so that that really set me offand so I carried that with me

(22:51):
for most of my life the eatingdisorder, which is terrible.
And then when I went intorecovery for it, my kids were
little at the time.
I had two little boys and Ididn't like what they were being
taught at school about health.
It was all about losing weightinstead of gaining health and
there were kids who were hidingfood and it was just terrible.
And I started.

(23:12):
I didn't like what was going onand so I went to their school
and I said I don't like themessage that you're giving.
I'd like to give anothermessage.
And I had nothing prepared.
And they're like, okay, come inon Friday and talk.
And I was like huh, so I puttogether like a bristle board
with some pictures and I talkedabout media manipulation and
Photoshop and all this stuff,and you know what it resonated

(23:33):
with the kids.
And then it became a thing andso I started this program called
Fit Versus Fiction and I wouldgo to schools and I started with
fourth grade and then theschools asked me to speak to
youngest first grade.
Um, and then I was the go-towhenever there was something in
the news, I think this wasbefore Facebook and before
social media, so nobody saw onyour, your LinkedIn, that you've
been doing this for about 14years.

(23:54):
I started that.
I think I started that in 2000and yeah, I don't even know six
maybe.
So it was a long yeah, and justit wasn't something I planned.
It was literally I felt I was,I was a mom and I was somebody
who had dealt with it and Ididn't like to see other mothers
Like I saw my mother watch mego through that and feel so like

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I always say, the worst thingis seeing your kids in pain,
whether it's emotional orphysical, and you can't do
anything about it, and then tohelp kids so they could avoid
what I went through, and it wasinteractive and fun and nobody
was talking about it Nobody.
It's not glamorous to talkabout immune disorder and body
image issues it's not.
But I was like I'll talk aboutit and I will.
Also I'd see something on a showthat I didn't like and I'd call

(24:37):
them, or I'd see something, I'dhear something on the radio and
I'd email them and they're likecome on the show.
So I was the go-to wheneverthere's something in the news
about weight, especially kids,and things like that, and so
that kind of became a real bigpurpose for me and that that's.
That was that was.
But you know what, though?
I still, because at this pointI had, I was still hiding

(24:58):
secrets.
So there was still this part ofme that was like what if I'm on
TV and then they tell everyonethat, oh no, she's not such a
good person, because she and Icrashed after that?
I had written a book forparents I mean, like I said,
media time and I still was likeno, I had to crash again and

(25:21):
then pick myself up and leave mymarriage and kind of realize,
no, I, I deserve to be healthyand happy and this is where
things are going to change.
It only started changing for melike in 2016, 17.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Okay, wow.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
So I mean with today uh, I'm raising a teenager right
now.
Uh, so, like, what's some ofthe advice that you give to
young, young women that are kindof suffering today from these,
you know, not wanting to eat?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
You know, it's tough because people always ask me is
it, is it better now, is itworse now, or it must be better
now?
I'm like, not really.
I mean, but it's.
You know what, though it'sdifferent.
It's so different because, youknow, I just I was asked to
write a body image section of abook for women.
It was a book being written forwomen health, women over 40,
their health, and I'm writingthe body image part and you know

(26:11):
, I was thinking back when I wasgrowing up.
We didn't have social mediaright, and then you had a few
channels on TV and I had mycosmopolitan no, my sister,
she's seven years older hercosmopolitan magazine, and there
would always be the models.
And you flip open the firstpage and it would tell you the
models, like the cover models,measurements and all that, and
I'd look at that and um so, butwe didn't have.
That's what we had, like.

(26:32):
We didn't have a ton of stuff.
However, we had diet ads, right.
We had a lot of things thatthat we don't have now.
We had that then.
But we so we didn't.
But we also didn't have theplus of of now is that then all
we had were those, those imagesthat we saw.
There was still thePhotoshopping, there was still,

(26:53):
you know again, the, the, theads for can you pinch an inch?
Or you know these dietsupplements and things like that
.
We didn't have any of the bodypositivity or any good stuff.
So that's one thing, whereasnow there's so much.
Some would say too much.
You know there's, there's somuch.

(27:16):
So now what's tough is what'stough and what's good is.
The problem is too muchinformation, right?
So you've got all thisinformation coming at kids
constantly and we all know it'slike, you know, somebody takes a
picture and they're like I justwoke up and you're like you
know 817 pictures later.
That's what they will and thefilters and the.
But it's so hard when it comesat you that.
But there's also the good stuff.
There's also a lot of peopleshowing, you know that, that

(27:38):
they encouraging the morenatural, encouraging healthy.
Um, there's, there's somepushback when, when there's the
unhealthy images are are pushed.
So it's kind of training ourkids to look for the good stuff.
You know, it's almost like I'mjust thinking now, probably a
terrible analogy, but you know,if you get a headache and you go
to google it, you know, to seewhat it is, you can can look and

(28:00):
see oh my God, I have a braintumor.
Or you can look up what arebenign issues, like really
nothing, not important issues ornot serious issues for headache
, and it could say you candehydrate it or you didn't get
enough sleep.
It's your choice, you know howyou want to do that.
So it's really it's stayingaway from, from social media

(28:20):
pages that make you feel likecrap.
You know that's our choice.
And also, but one thing I wouldtell you as a parent one thing
that really helps and this helpsyoung is get your kids involved
in stuff that they like like.
Get your kids involved inactivities.
It could be something that youlike, but it could look.
You could be a sports guy andyour kid likes art.
Get them in our classes.
You know anything that theylike to do.

(28:42):
That has nothing to do with howthey look.
There's nothing to do withpopularity.
It's something that they dothat makes them feel good.
That that's that is showingthem.
It's not about how they look.
It's about a talent, it's aboutan interest, because that is
something that that really helpsbuild their self-esteem, but
also it if it's like a groupthing, you're involving them
with people who are like-minded,because sometimes kids at

(29:04):
school they don't.
Sometimes kids are mean andsometimes teachers aren't great,
you know.
So, if you can get them my kidsare into sports, so if you get
them into something where theyhave a group of kids that are
different from the ones they seeevery day, plus maybe a coach
or something that that is reallyhelpful to them and could be a
mentor, then that's just anotherplace where they get.

(29:24):
If certain parts of their lifearen't good for their
self-esteem, well here'ssomething else, and I think
cultivating that is a great wayto combat the negativity that
they're getting.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Great answer, thank you, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, yeah, people like that, dr Google, that's,
that's, that's-.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I mean it's terror, it's so bad, oh I know.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
But you know, I wonder, I often wonder about
that, about like you know how,how different things are, you
know, and if they're better orworse, and I don't know if you
can answer it.
Like I don't know if anyone cananswer it, because you know I
thinks 80s, 70s, 60s, and goingall the way back, uh,
particularly it was, it couldcould be very bad for women in
terms of, you know, you weren'tlike at some point you weren't

(30:10):
allowed to talk back kind ofthing.
Right, you weren't, you weren't.
Uh, yeah, you, you were.
There was articles in magazinesthat were basically saying like
stay thin for your guy and likeyeah, and, and it wasn't like,
it wasn't cosmo, like stay thinfor your guy.
It was like an instructionmanual on how you should be a

(30:32):
wife, kind of thing.
Right, there was those types ofthings and then there was
nothing else out there to thinkany differently, right, exactly,
it was like this is it, this isit like?
If you're not this, then you'renot a good wife, right, right,
and so there was a lot of that.
Now we have more positive bodypositivity stuff today, but

(30:53):
we're able to reach like we seethis in social media in all
aspects.
There's lots of good out there,but there's lots of bad out
there, and the bad can gettogether real easy on social
media.
And it's not like, you know, atone point you could, it's like
any bully.
At one point years ago, beforesocial media, you could at least
hide in your home, and now youcan't right, right, yeah, and

(31:17):
for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And I think that that's another thing sort of as
parents to do.
I know I used to do with mykids, and again they were boys.
I wouldn't sit down and have aconversation Like that's the
difference between girls andboys, you're not going to, okay,
we're going to talk aboutsomething serious.
Now they're like no, we're not.
So just kind of what I would dowith them when we were watching
TV or something, and or if wewere out, somebody would say

(31:40):
something or we'd see acommercial idea, and I would
just not lecture but say, oh myGod, that's ridiculous, like
that doesn't even make sense.
And it's just it's making surethat because the negative voices
are going to come in, so ourvoices have to be louder.
And so I remember once I was,um, I was in a store with my
kids I don't remember how oldthey were, maybe they were like

(32:00):
10, 11, 12.
And there was a maggot no, itwas one of those were canadian,
those kinder eggs, you knowthose kinder surprise eggs, and
it was.
There was like a barbie one andlike a hot wheels one.
And I remember one of my sonscoming over to me and he's like
this is so stupid like I don'tunderstand.
So I'm a boy and if I have thisone I'm gonna.
And then he stopped himself andhe went.
I hate that.
I can't not see that and I'mlike I love that you can't not

(32:22):
see that.
You know, it was just ingrainedthat it's just like, it's just
silliness, um, but yeah, it'slike you said, there's there's
so much good and there's so muchbad and the problem also kind
of like for some reason the badstuff sticks with us, like 100
always does you can.
You can have 10 people.
You walked on the street andpeople go, hey, you look great
today and you're like thanks.

(32:42):
And then you one person says Idon't know, you look tired or
did you gain weight.
That's the one you're gonna,that's the one that's gonna
stick with you, right, and Idon't know why we do that and
that's why that's like socialmedia, right, you can see a
whole bunch of positive stuff,one negative thing and that
sticks with you.
But that's when we have to go,okay.
But is that logical?
Is that realistic?
You know, and we have to go,okay.
But is that logical?
Is that realistic?

(33:02):
You know, and we have to stepaway from it.
But it's, it's just.
Honestly, it's like an exercise, but it's like for your brain.
You have to just remindyourself constantly.
This isn't real.
You know, like it's just.
You can't give somebody thatcontrol over you.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Well, bad news always does travel faster.
We know that, like you know badnews, you know you have to
fight 10, they say 10 timesharder to get good news out to
the level that bad news gets out.
And I mean I think that feedsto a deeper, you know a much
deeper question of how humanityis, like it's a society is, you

(33:37):
know, on an individual level,like there's different people
react differently.
But I mean, you know, I thinkyou know, I don't know, but I,
I'm a pretty happy person and Ihope that most people are pretty
happy, happy people.
But I think as a society we can, especially when we are as a
collective, we cannot be happypeople and I I don't remember

(33:59):
where I saw it, but it was somesort of a quote that basically
was like um, you know, it's justsort of a quote that basically
was like um, you know, it's justlike hurt.
You know that saying like hurtpeople hurt people.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
So it's the same thing, like people want to tear
people down because they feellike it kind of brings people to
their level, almost like howyou felt.
Right, it brings people down.
It's like I'm going to tearthem down, like I'm feeling bad
about me.
I'm going to bring them downand you know we're going to.
Then I'll feel better aboutmyself because it's like I know

(34:29):
that you know I'm here, they'realso here, so it's okay.
But I always say and Tobin'sprobably heard me say this
before there's two ways that youcan build the tallest building
in a city.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
You can tear all the other buildings down and leave
yours left, or you can justbuild a taller building right,
right, right.
Well, yeah, that's sorry.
No, that's good.
It's funny, because I postedsomething recently um, you know,
I, I, uh, there are people alot of women, it happens to
women a lot where they'll post aselfie.
And there's I have a friendthat was posting selfies and
there's like there'll always besome guys who are just like oh,
oh, you're so into yourself oroh, you're so, and just be nasty

(35:05):
, and I'm like I don't get it.
And I shared something thatsaid I'll always like somebody's
selfie, not because necessarilyI think it's a great picture,
but because in that moment theyfelt good about themselves and
that should be celebrated.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
You know, I never thought of it that way yeah, but
that's the thing, because I Iknow, and from from all the
years that I've done the body ofmyself, most people have
insecurities about themselves.
So, and there's so many, andI'll say women, um, men too, but
I'll but for women, wherethere's so many moms who aren't
in the pictures, you knowthey're the ones taking the
pictures and they don't like howthey look, or, and so for me,

(35:41):
if you're feeling good in thatmoment and you take a picture
and you post it, that's amazing.
I'm so happy for that.
Why would anybody it doesn'thurt me that somebody feels good
about themselves like that's soweird it, my god, I would.
I would love if everybody feltgreat about themselves, because
they would be nicer to everybodyelse.
Things would be easier, youknow.

(36:02):
But yeah, it's like you said,it's a weird thing that when
you're feeling lousyunfortunately sometimes you
don't that other people'shappiness pisses you off, and
and so my thing is, if my joymakes you uncomfortable, cause
I'm somebody I don't know if yousaw my social media I dance
everywhere Like I, I'm thedancing woman.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
You know what?
I actually have that in mynotes here about how you you
might've been like you know, thegood stripper and you talked
about dancing and stuff likethat, but you have incorporated
dancing right up until now Likeyou dance on elevators.
You dance on like yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I do, it's because you know what it was.
It's when I was a little kidthere were two ways that I would
get out of punk.
If somebody was bothering me,I'd either write about it or I'd
dance.
I'd put on my Donna Summer andmy orange shag carpet in my
living room and I would danceand it's always been my release
and it still is to this day andit's part of that whole zero

(36:57):
fucks left 50s where I walkeverywhere and I have my music
and I will walk to my music, butI dance and I have my music and
I will walk to my music, but Idance and I will walk into the
store and they're like you danceby my house.
But it makes people happy,honestly, and my thing is it's
not hurting anyone.
So even if somebody drives byand is like then it's a funny

(37:21):
story to tell other peoplethat's true.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, so because if dancing is kind of like there
because there's a couple thingsI want to talk about, listening
at some of your podcast stuffbut the um, if dancing is kind
of was kind of your way ofmaking you happy, do you feel
that that's what maybe like beena factor as to why you went
into like professional dancingkind of thing, like that's was?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
like you call it, your time, because when you say
professional dancing, you meanthe stripping, yeah, yeah,
anyway, nice way to put it.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Um, I think, well, it's a profession.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
So I mean, you know um, I think that, yeah, you know
it's funny because because Iit's.
It's not something I would havedone had my life been different
at that time.
However, it's not like I wasthis shy into books and science

(38:15):
and all of a sudden I went tothat.
That would have been reallykind of strange.
That would have been a realwhat the hell happened there?
So it wasn't like it was thishuge leap, but it was huge leap,
but it it was.
It was like that there's a bigdifference between dancing in
your living room or dancing, youknow, on a dance floor and
leaving your kids, you know,after you tuck them in and going
to a club and stripping nakedfor people.

(38:36):
There's a difference there.
Um but um.
But I do think that, uh, I sayall the time, you know my.
I remember once being in theclub and this girl came over to
me and who worked there and shesaid, like how long did it take
you like working here before youwent on stage?
I'm like, what do you mean?
She's like, well, like I'vebeen here a while and I'm like

(38:57):
nervous to get on.
Say how long.
And I'm like, oh my God, likethat was first, was first day.
Like, for I didn't even knowthat was a thing.
That was my favorite part.
I didn't like approachingpeople to be like, hey, buy me,
I didn't like that.
The lap dancing was fine, um,but the but on stage yeah, there
was something in there that wasmine.
You know that that and it's andit's unfortunate that that was

(39:18):
where I was getting kind of myself-worth, um, and being a mom,
because it was so important tome to be the best mom ever.
But then for me, for myself-worth, there was something
about because I was, like I saidat the beginning, when I was a
little girl I was like dancingand singing and on stage and all
that.
So that was in me, so I wasgetting something from that for

(39:40):
sure.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And so, just so anyone who's kind of listening
kind of understands, everythingtoo, is like um, so yeah, you
had kids, you were married andthen you decided to do this.
Now is this something that youwere hiding from people like and
what I mean by people, I meanlike your, actual, your house,
or like and sneaking off in thenight and making up excuses, or

(40:02):
did like your husband know?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
he knew.
Um, I will tell you that andit's so, it's so silly, yeah.
So, like I said, our marriagewas pretty normal and then, um,
I had gotten really sick and Ialmost died and um was
recovering and and and he kindof I talk about it more openly
in the book, um, but but therewas a turn there where where was

(40:24):
asking me to do things and kindof open up things a little bit.
And I was still dealing with myeating disorder and had gone,
had lost my mother and lost thebabies.
I had gone through a lot and Ihad that traumatic overload
thing where I sort of felt like,okay, so I'm not lovable,
because everyone in that in mylife that loved me had died and

(40:46):
I didn't feel like my husbandloved me, but people seemed to
want to be with me.
And so that's again where Ithought, okay, so if I'm not
lovable, how will I earn myspace here?
And we had gone to strip clubstogether and they would like
pull women up on stage and whenI was like, okay, I was getting

(41:09):
some attention.
And then the funny thing so,with what happened, with the
stripping, what happened?
And it's so ridiculous,especially when people say, oh,
you were doing to get to helpyou?
No, so what happened was I wasdealing with my eating disorder.
I was in great shape, though,but I had joined a new 24 hour
gym because I would.
I would never leave my kids, soI would go when the kids were

(41:30):
asleep.
I would go at 11, 12, one, twoin the morning, um, and I met a
trainer there who was like oh, Icould get you to look like a
fitness model in like a fewweeks.
And I was like, okay, you knowlooking at those magazines, but
I had to pay extra right now.
I was a stay at home mom withtwo toddlers.
I couldn't work, and I was.

(41:51):
I always felt that if I wasn'tcontributing financially, I
shouldn't take anything.
So I never did anything formyself, didn't go, you know,
hairdresser.
Now I never did, didn't buymyself anything, didn't do that.
So I thought, okay, I want todo the personal training.
I need money.
I don't want to take money fromthe household.
What can I do?
I need a job that won'tinterfere with the family.

(42:14):
And so I thought cause,wouldn't every mother think, oh,
it's terrific?
So he actually took me to myaudition, you know, um, and uh
so what I would do is and I talkabout this is what I would do
is so.
He knew, but no one else knewand I would.
I would be home with my kids.

(42:34):
I would.
It was very important to methat I would read to them before
bed like I was there to tuckthem in.
They they never knew I wasn'tthere, so I tucked them in.
I would drive to the club.
I would dance.
So at this time, not a sip ofalcohol, not a drug, nothing.
I was the only dancer who had aprotein shake in my locker okay
, because I was bodybuilding.
So I would dance, have my shakeand then I would leave.

(42:57):
I would go home, change, go tothe gym and I would work out Now
it's four o'clock in themorning.
And then I would come home,change, go to the gym and I
would work out now it's fouro'clock in the morning.
And then I would come home orgo to the 24-hour grocery store
if I needed something, come back, take a shower, not sleep, and
be there when my kids woke up,and I would go two, three days
without sleeping well, that'syeah, yeah, like that.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
That really breaks you down, though.
Uh, you know you can honestlynot be present for them in
different ways because of that,right.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
But it was, but it was.
It was such a weird thingbecause I must've seemed like I
was on something, Cause I hadall this energy and I don't I
don't honestly always say it'strauma, you know, and so so he
didn't my.
My ex-husband didn't love that.
I did it at first and then,when I was helping with grocery
money and I was, I was able tocontribute.

(43:47):
Then was perfectly fine with it.
Um, but it was uh go ahead.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
No, I was just gonna say like I, I know, like I, I
was gonna ask about, like how hefelt kind of about that,
because I mean, you know, Ithink about it like you know,
for me no judgment.
I'm someone who would likethat's like I said.
It's a profession, uh, you'reproviding a service, is what it
is, so no judgment from there.
That being said, having my wifedo it is a totally different

(44:14):
thing again very at this point.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Our marriage was was different and he was fine with a
lot of things.
Um, but I but I'll tell youthis just to jump ahead for one
second with so my kids didn'tknow any of this, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And then when my book was coming out, they knew I was
writing a book, but theyfigured it was a more like body
image stuff or, you know, womenempowerment thing.
They had no interest.
And then I then it, it.
I got the book deal at thebeginning of COVID.
So then I was like we don'teven know if it's going to come
out.
We don't know what's going tobe.
So I didn't want to tell thembecause I'm like, well, I don't
want to tell them everything,and then it doesn't come out and

(44:50):
I've told them everything fornothing.
So I waited till the lastminute.
It was coming out, like in aweek, and I met with them and
again I'm trying to think, sothis is like 2020, so maybe 20
and 17 at that time, yeah and uh.
So I met with them and I said,okay, the book's coming out.
And this is how I told them.

(45:10):
I showed them the cover and canI like?
So I have it here.
So it's like, you know, you'vegot like a baby carriage on a
stage with a pole and it says,okay, tripper.
So I uh, I just showed them thecover and they remember they
knew nothing and my older sonjust went okay, do you want my
opinion as your son or theconsumer?
And I'm like, really, like he'slike it's a great cover and I'm

(45:33):
like, are you what?
And and my younger son was likewhen, when did it?
Like they were so unfazedbecause I was always there.
It wasn't like they were goingoh, that's why you weren't home
for three days.
Like they were like when?
Like when were you not?
And I remember I kept saying Ikept, and they won't read it
because it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
There's kind of graphic I was gonna ask, I was
gonna ask you that like, arethey avoiding it or did they no?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
they.
Just my older son wanted toknow, because there were some
people who weren't thrilled thatI wrote it and were going to
him kind of angry and he's likeokay, tell me what's in it.
And he was, I told him and hewas like he's very kind of
intellectual like that and hesaid it's very interesting to
hear about your parents aspeople, not just the parents.
And he said I were I, and he'sclose with his dad too.
And he just said I have yourback.

(46:18):
And both my kids were likewe're in your corner, do you?
I used to call them every timeI was doing an interview.
I'm going to talk about this.
They're like don't call usanymore, We'll let you know if
there's any problem, you know.
But I kept saying you know I didthings, but I always wanted you
to have a good life, I alwayswanted you to feel loved.
And my son stopped me.
He said you keep saying youmade mistakes, but you also keep
saying that you wanted us to behappy.

(46:39):
We're happy, so maybe theyweren't such big mistakes, you
know.
So that was, that was what wasso important.
So again, that's something thatin my head I thought what if
they hate me?
What if they hate me because Idid it?
What if they hate me becauseI'm talking about it?
They didn't, you know.
So we, we do that to ourselves.
You know it's like we're afraidthe whole world's going to
collapse, and it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
It doesn't it doesn't , yeah, yeah, well, I think, I
think do people do hold shameover other people's heads quite
often on this world,unfortunately, and that's
something people right.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
So yeah, but why though, but?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
you believe in what you're doing.
You got to look around thatyeah, well, that's it.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I just I don't, I, I, I don't know what it is, but I,
I finally got to a point yeah,I mean it took half a century
but where your words, yourjudgment don't hurt me.
I've been through, I've beenthrough the tough stuff.
So again, to judge me for it,that's on you love it.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
The other thing is is like I was listening to a
couple of clips and, um, oneclip that you have on is and
you're talking about, um, uh,unhealthy coping mechanisms
versus healthy coping mechanismswith trauma and things like
that, and that's kind of what Iwas thinking, why I was kind of
putting together like thedancing, because it sounded.

(47:58):
It sounds to me like dancingwas a coping mechanism for you,
which and that can be viewedeither way you can you can think
of just dancing like general,just in dancing, obviously very,
very healthy coping mechanismor very healthy way of release
um, versus and then you know,you're the only one who can
decide whether the other dancingwas a healthy one or not.

(48:22):
It's kind of, but yeah, butyeah, I elaborated a little bit
more on like in terms of your,you know what you found to be
your now healthy copingmechanisms versus the unhealthy
ones.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Well, that's the thing it's like.
Now anyone knows me again thedancing.
It's funny because when my book, when I first kind of put out
there and when I hit like thepost, you know on Facebook when
it was coming out the book andnobody knew and I had to cover,
I thought can I not dance on thestreet?
And I don't like go dance andlike crazy person, but I'm
dancing enough.
I thought can I not do thatanymore, because are people

(48:53):
going to go, oh, and put thelike connect?
And then I'm like, well, no,that's ridiculous.
I was dancing before I wasdancing.
You know what?
I mean, and that's not going tostop.
But it's like it's funnybecause you're saying, was that
kind of a coping mechanism?
No, going to a dance classwould have been a good coping
mechanism, um, but now.

(49:23):
So the dancing.
I mean, I can be starting towalk, let's say, down the street
and I don't have my music onyet and I'm like I think to
myself how do I do that?
That's so embarrassing.
And then my music starts andI'm like, here we go.
You know, lights, camera, um,so it just changes something in
me, and so I know that thatbrings me joy.
The world is on fire.
The world is not a great placeand for me, there's so many
times where someone will see meand they'll say you are like the

(49:43):
happiest person ever.
And I'm always like no, I'm not, the world is a mess.
But I know that in order to not, you know, end up on the other
side of the ledge, I have tofind the things that make me
happy and that makes me happy.
So, you know, exercising, beingactive, I always say I go to

(50:07):
the gym, I work out hard, youknow, for me, but also for you,
because I'm a much nicer personwhen I do that.
But what I said, I know in thatinterview you're talking about,
is that there's so many things.
So I had my trauma, right.
But then I had what I did toget through my trauma, whether
it was my eating disorder orbeing promiscuous or the other
things that I did.
For some people it's drugs, forsome people it's alcohol, for
some people it's gambling.
I mean, it could be so manydifferent things.
And, yeah, it would befantastic if, if our brain just

(50:30):
went to I'm having a hard timewith this, this is breaking me
down.
Okay, I'm going to startmeditating or I'm going to take
yoga or I'm going to whatever,like that would be great, but a
lot of those things.
The reason why they are helpfulis because they bring us into
ourselves.
Right, you become one withyourself, you, you understand,
but when you're going through ahard time, you don't want that.

(50:50):
That's the last.
I was not trying to get closerto me, I was trying to get
further from me, which is whatdrugs do.
And alcohol, you know all thisit takes us away from ourselves,
and so that's why I think weturn to the unhealthy mechanism.
We're not not consciously, I'mnot like who, how.
I feel bad, how can I hurtmyself more?
Well, I did actually do that atsome point.

(51:11):
I did feel like I'm a badperson.
How can I prove that I'm a badperson?
I'll keep doing the things thatmake me a bad person, cause
you're not.
You know you're not.
You know you're trying to.
You're being guided by thisyourself, which is not that's
not great, you know it's alsonot in a healthy place yeah,
it's a self-fulfilling prophecy,right right, and that's the
thing you got to get out of yourhead.
So it's when.
So then for me it was okay.

(51:34):
So I had my trauma.
Then I had to to process thetrauma.
So once and I still haven'tlook, my traumas are losing my
mother, losing losing my brother.
You know certain things and I'mstill gutted from it, like I
won't.
However, I learned how to sortof process, but there's so
there's the trauma.
But then it's like, oh God, nowI have to deal with the things
that I did while I was trying tocope.

(51:54):
So it's almost like anotheranalogy will be great.
But it's like if you're drunkand you cross through someone's
living room, right, you feel bad, but then you get sober and
you're like, oh my god, like I,okay, wow, and you gotta, now
you gotta see all the damagethat you did.
So I had to look at all thedamage that I did.
And now I'm like I and I, andthe problem is, in the past,

(52:14):
when you had to do the hardstuff, you would go to whatever
your coping mechanism was.
Well, now you can, you can't.
So now you got to just feel it.
You know, I can't starve myselfor I can't binge, or I can't
whatever.
Oh my God, I got to deal withthis.
That's what's so hard, and Ithink that's what people avoid,
because that's harder thansometimes.
You know the trauma they saylike with addiction and stuff

(52:35):
that for a lot of people rockbottom is, when the things that
you're doing to get through thetrauma are more painful than the
actual trauma, you know.
So what I was doing to myselfwas causing me more damage than
sort of what life had done.
So it's it's, that's the pointof it.
It's being willing to getthrough the trauma but then deal

(52:56):
with doing it without thecoping mechanism.
It's tough.
That's I again.
I had more.
It was harder for me to getthrough that shame of what I did
, and but I've learned toforgive myself.
Now there's some things I didthat I'm never going to feel
great about.
If it was if it was like acouple of things I did that
inadvertently hurt somebody else.

(53:18):
I'll never feel good about that, but that's okay.
I do forgive myself in thesense that I know I didn't want
to hurt anyone.
One thing I do I explain topeople who are dealing with
shame is that what we're doingsometimes is we judge ourselves
then for who we are now.
I'm going to judge myself backthen with who I am Now.
That's not fair, because backthen I didn't have support.

(53:40):
Back then I didn't haveexperience.
Back then I didn't.
There's so many things I didn'thave.
It's not fair for me to judgethat version of me with this
version.
Right, I have to be kind tothat version and I think a big
part of it is to say, okay,you're feeling shame about
something you did.
Would you do it again?
No, well then, let it go.
You know you, you've learned,and that's the thing.
You wouldn't do it again, andthat's that's the big, because

(54:08):
now you, you have resources Ididn't have.
I know so many times I messedup.
I did not know what else to do.
You know now I do and I'll dothings differently, but it's a
tough.
It's a tough thing.
We are so much harder onourselves than other people, I
think.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yeah, I think so.
I think that's fairly, uh,that's that's.
I think that's fairly accurate.
I mean, I know, in my place ofwork, you know, uh, I, I, if I
screwed something up, my bossdoesn't need to tell me, right,
I'll be, I'll be the one that'llbe like, ah, yup, so yeah, it's
so, I, I totally get it.
Um, yeah, it, um yeah.
So yeah, we can, we candefinitely beat up on ourselves

(54:43):
harder than I mean sometimessome people don't care, some
people definitely, like you know, there are definitely some
people out there that just youknow that's true, there's always
gonna be.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
But the one thing I just want to say quickly is I
think what?
The one thing that that we missout on with a lot of the uh
sort of the positivity thingsthat we see on social media too,
is that I find I don't connect.
I'm never going to be somebodywho posts like I woke up today
and it's a great day and I'mgrateful, and I mean not that
there's anything wrong with thatstuff, but like I'm not going

(55:14):
to pretend that everything'sgreat all the time.
I'm not and I don't relate tothat, because it's just not the
way it is.
So I think people are afraid ofshowing their scars.
They're afraid of showing theirflaws, not realizing that
that's actually the stuff thatpeople relate to.
I mean, the people aren'tcalling me and messaging me and
coming over to me and saying, oh, I related to that really great
thing that happened.
They're relating to the toughstuff, that's the and even the

(55:38):
mistakes.
It's that's what connects us aspeople, not when things are
fantastic all the time, fine,but it's that, and so we're
missing out on on amazingconnections with people that we
might think we have nothing incommon with when we're hiding
the stuff that just makes ushuman, and I and I think that's
what's so crucial it's like wehave to show that it's okay to

(55:58):
be human, and being human isbeing imperfect and it is
fucking up sometimes, and that'sokay yeah, so switching a
little bit to um you being likeso open and putting your life
out there and and talking aboutum you know all the things that
you felt that you've done wrongor whatever.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Looking back and shame, embarrassment, whatever
it can be.
Uh, as much as I said, it couldbe liberating to let it all go.
Um, online can be a cruel beast.
Uh, like you must have to dealwith some real idiots online

(56:38):
that come there just to trolland it might like this how, how
does that like someone who's hadtrauma and and a hard on
themselves.
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 2 (56:48):
well, luckily, again, I didn't.
I didn't put the book out untilI was ready to deal with that.
I just I was ready.
Uh, as much as you can be ready, kind of thing.
Um, I think what's interesting,though, is when, when I'll get
negative comments, it's actuallyit won't start with that.
Nobody's really going to comeat me because they see my book
title or anything like that.

(57:09):
It's if they didn't likesomething else.
I said about another issue,then I'm waiting.
Okay, now they're going to goand they're going to see, and
then like well, you're just like, you went out.
Of course, that's what youthink, and I'm like okay, that
was so.
And the funny thing, too isbecause I put it out there, I'm
like oh, great detective workthat you found out.
I wrote the book.
It's on the title, it's on mycover, but you're telling me

(57:32):
something, you're trying toshame me with something I put
out there.
Try something else.
It doesn't work and it's soweak.
It doesn't work and it's soweak.
What I have found, however, isbeing a single woman trying to
meet new people when you have abook out that's called the good
stripper, that is.

(57:54):
It's tough because at first Iwould try to like not put it out
there.
And then social media and it'sa I had.
I met somebody once and it waslike they all they had was my
name and my picture and theyjust google image me.
And then it was like there yougo.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
So I've met people for the first time and they've
been like I read your book andI'm like wow, yeah, jesus, okay,
well, I know nothing about you,though, like you got a lot of
people using only fans, enoughnow to kind of make a little
extra money, like there's a lotof people but here's the thing,
though.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
It's like if you're just going off the title, you're
gonna like I will get.
Either I'll get people who whothink negatively about me, or
they're like oh, they thinkthey're getting something like
you know, or they'll pick partsof the book that they that work
to their narrative, kind of.
So it's yeah, it's aninteresting kind of I'm always
like okay, well, you know, it'slike and then I just kind of let

(58:48):
it go.
You put yourself over there likethat you're gonna yeah but the
thing also is I the book endswhen I left my marriage.
That's 2016, so it's 2025.
Now I've changed in the lastnine years.
You know what I mean.
So if you think that, I meanI've changed in the last three
months, so if you think you'regetting there's parts of me, for
sure, but if you think you'regetting that person surprise, so

(59:13):
are you working?
on a second book now to kind ofyou know what I could I could,
but no, I mean, there's thingsthat that might be happening
with the book and we'll see, butuh, I don't think I would write
another one.
I think I'll do something,though creative with.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
It definitely has movie potential.
I'm sure that's probably wherethis is going, so let's just
yeah, so let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens, andthen?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
you and you did the podcast like how to ruin your
reputation.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, that was a blast.
So, yeah, that came from.
Um, I wouldn't I'd still do it,but I had issues with my
producer.
But that was because I tookthat risk of, if I was going to
release this, I had to, like,run the risk of reading my
reputation, and so that camefrom anybody who had a story and
I was really picky with my headon who lived a life that was

(01:00:02):
judged and stigmatized and, um,it would give them the, the
platform to share their story.
And so many times I would putout a topic and friends of mine
would say I was so ready to like, not like this person.
But you know, they said somethings that I kind of I related
to and I'm like that's the point, that's the point and I I've
met so many really interestingpeople through that that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
That's cool.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I like the title, yeah yeah have a green, your own
reputation yeah, yeah, I'm goodat that and I I'm like another
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
It's going, I guess, going back to like how other
people kind of dig in to youthere too, because I noticed
that, um, you had a post upthere at one point late last
year where, um, someone decided,someone decided to take shots
at you because of, uh, beingjewish oh, someone, I get that
daily yeah, really, oh, oh well,like what's like, especially

(01:00:57):
more recently because there's alot

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
going on, given the current climate?
Obviously yeah so did you?
Which vote?
Because I usually try to clapback like I, I don't, uh, I yeah
, because I always said I wassomebody who wasn't observed.
I didn't grow up observant, um,I didn't go to synagogue, I
considered myself jewish.
You know, I don't do anythinglike I just wasn't, it wasn't
really part of anything and Ihad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I had a friend who used to say that he's like, oh,
he's like I'm.
I'm not really jewish, I'm likejewish, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I didn't, I just I was just, and then, when
everything happened on october7th of 2023, it changed me and
when I saw how the world wasflipped upside down, I was like
this isn't okay and I reallyfelt I've always been somebody
who stood up and I've alwaysbeen somebody who stood up for
other people, and then when Ifound that nobody was standing
up for us, it, it, it affectedme.
So I don't overly post, but Iwill.

(01:01:48):
I will post Um, and oh, I meanI put up, I put up the other day
, um, I put I actually did alittle, did you see, did a
little dance video where I'mdancing to hit me with your best
shot, and I'm putting up allthe different comments, from
people calling me a Nazi totelling me get ready for the
ovens, to, um, I mean horriblestuff, horrible stuff, um, and

(01:02:11):
it's just, it's just, and theycome after you, you know, and
it's just it's, but I, I andit's upsetting, but at the same
time again, like I saidoftentimes, I'll just kind of
clap back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I mean you're not going to change somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
They just know they just want to hate on you.
But um, but that's when youhave to again like this with
social media.
You have to take it for what itis.
You know, and I realize thereare people who said to me oh, oh
yeah, this is what you think.
Why don't you tell me?
Show me where it says and I'm,like I, doing your homework,
like what I said, I've beentalking to you for six seconds
and I've enjoyed none of them.
Like I'm going to do homeworkfor you.
Like who are you?
That's the thing that socialmedia kills me.

(01:02:49):
It's like we.
I'm sure there were terriblepeople in the world before, but
we didn't know that some womanin Texas was like awful you know
.
Now we know because she'ssupposed to be like we.
I don't need to know all thisinformation and we have this.
Things could be so great.
We could be learning from eachother and having these amazing
conversations, and instead it'sjust like yeah, yeah, and it's

(01:03:09):
such a waste.
But yeah, you have to, yeah,you have to have a thick skin in
this crazy world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
You know, yeah, but you also can't not be afraid to
speak your opinions, put yourmind out there and how you're
feeling out there, like you knowpeople do and even with this, I
had people saying thank you forspeaking and I'm like me, like
I didn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
I don't even, I was never but, but I was raised to
stand up for myself.
You know, one thing I say inthe book early on is the first
time that happened was like ingrade three, and then a teacher
that was bullying the kids, yeah, and I didn't like it and I
wrote a petition about him andgot everyone to sign in and he
changed and I was like huh, soit matters, your voice matters

(01:03:50):
and I won't, I won't shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I'm sure there's lots of people who are like god, I
wish you would, but I'm notgonna my, my pessimism towards
social media now is it does seemto be a place where there's a
lot of angry people and a lot ofsilent people, and it's just
like you really need to likekind of bring up the neutral,
not not.
Not like though not always thequotes and the but like the
deeper context and the deepermeaning and showing the real

(01:04:13):
really what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
So, yeah, and I kind of balance, I won't always help
people see the story right andmaybe you know you try you, you
do your best.
You can't like you're subduingit.
You know it's not.
There was another quote, Idon't remember, but it's sort of
like you do your part.
I also don't want my page to besomething where it's always
here.
I want people to go to it andand be like oh, like today I got

(01:04:46):
something.
Oh, this, I thought of you andit's a dancing thing.
Like I want that.
I, you know you want to be adistraction and and bring some
light.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Um, during this crazy time too so you just said the
word silly stuff.
Can we go to some fun dumb?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
questions now.
Yes, all right.
Okay, I'm so afraid of thesequestions, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
My favorite part Don't be afraid, these are fun.
If you don't want to answerthem, have a sip of your vodka
or water or whatever you gotgoing on over there.
Okay, all right, Mike you gofirst.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I'm going to water.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Am I going first, or so uh, uh.
Which this one's dishes seethey start off on?
Which is a person that's been apositive influence in your life
?
Just any person you could thinkof top of it, top of the your
head today.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Right.
I mean it's so cliche, but Ihave to go with.
I have to go with my mom.
I lost her when I was 28.
So I haven't had her for areally long time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
But, um, yeah, she was.
Uh, she had a really hard lifeand she was with every reason to
be bitter.
She was still love personifiedand she used to say that nobody
that you meet is inferior norsuperior to you.
Regardless of anything, youknow, it's just strength of

(01:05:57):
character that makes adifference.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Awesome, yeah.
Question number two this one'sa little bit funnier, so we know
that there is an abundance ofsongs where people take their
clothes off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Okay, but give us a song that would be good to put
your clothes back onto.
In what context now, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
The stripping's over.
You've got to get your clothesback on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
What's a good song to get your clothes back onto.
Oh Lord, oh my God, but yeah,what's a good song to put your
clothes back on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
A song that generally has unattractive or unfun, or
wasn't, I don't know.
I'm going to go with johnny,cash hurt, be a good one.
Right, you don't want to stripto?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
that.
No, I'm gonna something likeI'm gonna go to like one of my
my guilty pleasure songs whichis like mbop I can't imagine, I
can't I can't imagine, you know.
So that seems like nobody.
Nobody wants to strip nobody'staking their clothes off to
those three creepy best and boysthinking you know, you know, we

(01:07:05):
told him he's gonna get dressedtomorrow morning to it's a
great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Honestly, it's a fun song we for real used to think
they were girls me and my littlebrother, right they're cute.
Now they're all like whenthey're like little little,
because we were small and likemy little brother was like he's,
like I think the drummer's cute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
And then like oh, he's a boy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
I was like oh, dude, I mean, I was the best.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, we had no idea, all right.
Question number three Okay,pick a genre of music that
should be suitable for each beertype.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Okay, so we got I don't know anything about beer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Oh boy, okay, so an ipa is kind of a hoppy flavorful
beer.
Okay, then you have your lager,which could also be matt,
you'll correct me, but maybekind of a lightish style style
beer light crisp yeah and thenyour stout is like your guinness
beer, that heavy beer okay, sowe'll go those put a style to a

(01:08:00):
beer type oh lord, okay, sowe'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I'm gonna go, let's start with this step.
The heavier stuff is, eitherI'm gonna go, like the 90s,
alternative stuff like a threedays grace, maybe some creed,
maybe some god smack, that kindof thing all right okay and then
give me the other ones.
There was the one that thelager, which is like the
lightest, like the.
The lager Okay so let's go forsome 80s disco or 70s and 80s

(01:08:26):
disco for that one, okay, okay,and the IPA.
Let's go with.
We're going to go with thecountry pop.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
So not country, but not pop.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
You know what I mean, so it's kind of okay okay, all
right I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I like it, all right question number four.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So what's a common mistake people make when
starting their healthy fitnessjourney?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
oh, too strict, too strict.
I'm gonna cut out sugar and I'mgonna cut out anything bad and
I'm gonna go to the gym fivetimes a week and then they don't
do it and then they feel likefailures and they go screw it.
I'm not going to do it.
Make it realistic Littlechanges, little changes, and
that will get you there ratherthan throwing too much too soon.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Okay, which one of the afternoon pint hosts would
most likely take their clothesoff if they had to rush a drink?
You just have to go by feelinghere, matt or Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I'm actually going to go with Mike.
I was going to go with Matt myfirst thought was Matt, but then
I think I think we get youdrunk.
I think matt would be therewith the camera to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
It's a hundred percent mike he's the one first
of all.
He gets drunk way easier than Ido.
Also, he's the one who uh, youknow, out of out the two of us,
we have a guy's group chat.
He's the one who sent the nakedpics to the guy's group chat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah, you were drunk, you don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
And then you quickly deleted it.
When did I do that?
You and Andrea were awaycamping, no way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I did that yeah you did when, where what did you see
too much?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
hilarious that you don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
No, you deleted it and everyone was like hey, tell
them what you understand.
And I was like don't worry,guys, I saw it and you didn't
need to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Oh, jesus christ are you sure I was right?
I don't know.
Well, it's probably true.
Okay, going on the nextquestion, there you go.
No shame, no shame.
Right, there we go, keep movingon.
Yeah, um, what the freak, Ilost my spot, though.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Uh that's all right.
So we are in question six.
It's my question, I believe,isn't it okay?
Yeah, uh, imagine you were abutterfly and you could travel
for miles to any place on theplanet and just chill and
observe humans.
Where would you go and why?

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
You know what?
It's so funny?
No place feels safe right now.
Being a Jewish person, I swearplaces.
I'm like okay, go there, butyou're not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
You're a butterfly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I know.
But you know, butterfly, youknow what.
That's a tough one for meBecause I haven't been to a lot
of places.
So I'm going to do see.
Nobody's going to be surprisedby this.
My kids always say that myhappy place is Vancouver.
I know it's not exotic, but Ispent five years there and
there's something that is.

(01:11:40):
Even though a lot of bad stuffhappened when I was in there,
there's something that is alwaysjust a happy thing for me.
So I'm going to chooseVancouver, on the water and the
mountains.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Cool.
Next question is Number seven.
What is the best thing and theworst thing that happened so far
in 2025?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
It's only early.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Jesus Inauguration.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Well, yeah, but I mean, oh God, well, the best,
the best thing in 2020.
Well, I started, so I like Isaid, I got back into, I did it
for years and now I got backinto fitness.
So I teach fitness classes, Iteach circuit and kickboxing and
things like that, but I juststarted personal training
yesterday, so that's a good oneto bring in, so that's perfect,

(01:12:34):
cool.
The worst thing, again, you'retalking about well, you know
what I'm also going to say,because we brought up, I'm going
to say that the beginning, thefirst three hostages coming home

(01:12:56):
, that's also a huge thing andthe worst thing is the worst
thing has still got to berelated to that, so it's the
fact that the rest are stillthere, so I'm going to go go
with that.
It's hard for me to think ofanything worse than that right
now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Good answer yeah, yeah, all right.
Question number eight what'sone resolution you make to
yourself you have a hard timecommitting to?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
um, okay, I'll give you two things, like one sort of
one is kind of more and it isthat I am tend to still be hard
on myself and I try not to bethat's one, but sleep.
I I promise myself all the timeI'm gonna get a thing.
I don't drink enough water, Idon't get enough sleep, so you
know, I'll go to bed at two andI'll wake up at 5, 30 or six,
and that's not okay.
So every time I'm like I'mgonna be in bed before midnight

(01:13:42):
and it doesn't happen.
So that's, that's 100, that'sit.
I don't get enough sleep.
I've been I'm about 27 yearssleep deprived, so I've been
trying to do this for a reallylong time you have.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
You have a lot of energy for someone who's sleep
deprived can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I know it's I had a ton of sleep last night.
This is me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Seriously, ellie, I love it happens.
If you slept more, you might belike the Tasmanian devil.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
I don't even know.
I know and I did my workout andI know I don't know it's
frightening, but then when Istop, I stop, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Here's a deep-thinking question, or not
so deep-thinking question.
We're almost done here.
If thinking question or not sodeep thinking question uh, we're
almost done here.
If the earth was flat, what doyou think would happen if you
reached the edge and kept going?

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
if the earth was flat , shout out to the flatter
person what would be on theother side, like what would be,
yeah, you got the edge of theearth and you kept going in your
little boat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
What do you think would happen if the earth was
flat?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
okay, the earth was flat and we got to the end and I
flipped over.
Um, I am picturing.
Oh my god, I don't know why.
This is your, this.
Oh god, okay, oh, this is thesleep deprivation coming in.
You're not gonna know thisbecause you guys were young.
There used to be a show, when Iwas again this emmy's called
Land of the Lost, and it wasokay with a sleigh stand.

(01:15:03):
If you watch it, if you'reseeing clips of it now, it's
ridiculous but it was cool andthey're in like a boat, and then
they get into this thing and itjust spins, and that's what I'm
envisioning.
It kind of candy land kind ofplace.
So we get to the end and thenit's all like candies.

(01:15:26):
That's what I'm picturing in myhead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Wonka's factory.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Wonka's factory that kind of thing, Like a Wonka
thing.
Yeah, maybe I'm hungry, maybethat's it All right, so question
number 10 is the last question,and it's a theme that we've had
for for 2025.
Uh, so that, what is one pieceof advice that you were given
that you can share with us andour listeners?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
if you let them feed you, you let them starve you, oh
, explain that yeah, let themfeed you if Meaning you have to
be very careful that you've got,to make sure that you've got
you, because there are peoplewho will tell you I got it,
don't worry, I got it, and youdepend on them for everything.

(01:16:12):
And then, because they give you, they can take it away.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
So be very careful.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
If you let people feed you, then you're also
giving them the power.
If, very careful, if you letpeople feed you, then you're
also giving them the.
If you give people the power tofeed you, you're giving them
the power to starve you.
I mean, it sounds kind of butall it's saying is all it's
saying is hold on to some ofyour power.
Don't don't like.
I tend to take it.
I, as friends will say, I'vetaken it too hard, like where
I'm always kind of like fuck you, I'm really tough like that.

(01:16:42):
I'm very tough with havingpeople because I do feel there's
been times where people arelike don't worry, I got it, and
they didn't have it, they don't.
So it's just.
It's just if you give peoplethe power to, if you do, then
you give them the sure you gotyou.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
That's a good quote.
I like that.
Never heard it before.
Honest quote.
Yeah, I never heard it beforeeither, so it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
You got that.
You got your vibe attracts yourtribe.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Yeah, we're getting some good quotables, we got some
sound bites.
I tell you, yeah, so that wrapsthings up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
That wraps things up to announce or share that you
want people to know or do theywant you want to follow you on
instagram or anything like thatyou can follow me, marcy warhaft
, you can put that up, but alsoum for my book, if you if you
want to read it, it's um, soit's the good stripper soccer
mom's memoir of lies lost andnot dances, and you can get it
on amazon.
It's probably the easiest.
And if you do read it, then Iwould love um for people to

(01:17:37):
contact me and tell me what theythink.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
So pick up the book on Amazon or listen on Audible
if you're lazy like me, andthat's awesome.
Thank you so much for your time.
It was really awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Thanks, that was fun, yeah, so cheers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I'm out of beer.
I'm drinking a big water bottlenow, but there you go All right
.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
All right, have a great one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Bye.

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