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Joe and Laurie share their five-year endeavor to complete their latest science-fiction novel that puts the ancient alien theory into something entertaining and tantalizing.Ā Join us as we reveal some of the elements and plots of a story that challenges us to look at human history in a different light.
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Joe (00:02):
Hello, everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
We are your inquisitive,truth-seeking and fact-chasing
co-hosts, Joe Landry and LaurieOldford, and, as of one month
ago, we are co-authorsbrand-new a science fiction
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novel that is titled BattlePlanet AD: Relic of the Gods,
and we're obviously very proudof it.
We took a lot of time to writeit and work on the storyline and
refine the plot and all of itscharacters, and it's something
we envisioned in our minds forquite a while and something of
which we put a lot of planningin, and something of which we
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put a lot of planning in.
So today we want to go into alittle bit about what motivated
and inspired us to create thisnovel and really, along with
that, this podcast.
Right, Laurie?
All of it began with just youand I talking about the ancient
astronaut theory while we wereon long night shifts at work and
bouncing ideas around.
Laurie (01:05):
Yeah, that's right.
We both found that we had acommon interest in Zecharia
Sitchin's book series, The EarthChronicles, and that got us
thinking about how we can sharesome of the ideas we formulated
about how ancient history,particularly that which pertains
to the Bible, is full of stuffthat suggests there was a
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significant extraterrestrialpresence.
So you and I wanted to getother people to start thinking
more deeply about thesereligious and scriptural topics
just as we were, and that's whenwe came up with the idea to
present it as a novel that wasboth entertaining and
thought-provoking as a novelthat was both entertaining and
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thought-provoking, and we wantedto take a concept of the
ancient alien theory and set itas the backdrop for a story that
ties in with the modern-day UFOnarrative.
Right, Right, so i f youremember, from our very first
podcast episode that we airedalmost three years ago now, you
and I explained how some of ourown personal life experiences
led us to ponder and to questiona lot of what we were taught to
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believe in, and when weexamined our faith more closely,
we found that there were thingsthat were very problematic,
that just didn't make sense anddidn't satisfy a reasonable
standard of objective truth.
However, after juxtaposing someof these aspects of the
Christian religion and the Bibleagainst the basic premise of
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extraterrestrial intelligenceand the notion that humanity had
at one time or may still be incontact with aliens, and
certainly from ancient times, wefound that there were possible
answers to some of thesemysteries, some of the
obscurities.
So, we want to revisit thattheme from our first show.
We also want to put it into thecontext of a discussion about
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our book as well as what broughtthe idea of it into existence
for us.
Yeah, and I'm sure there are a lot of you listening
right now that could possiblyrelate, especially if you've
been raised in a church, like wehave, and some of you probably
have been ministers in differentareas of the church like we
have.
And we're not doing an episodewhere we're trying to peddle our
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book.
We want to promote thenarrative and explain where
we're coming from in writingthis novel, which in some ways
may be controversial Maybe a lotof ways it'll be controversial
but some people may find it assuch.
So you know, because it doeschallenge the reader to take a
different perspective on theirpersonal faith.
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It may encourage some to askthe same questions that you and
I have asked, joel, as well asmany others who have.
Joe (03:48):
You know, I've always thought that that was important
to do, to ask questions, evenwhen I was big into Christian
apologetics.
I believe that you benefit fromoccasionally taking off your
denominational glasses andcontemplating ideas that may
even go completely against yourdeepest beliefs.
And also it's important tostudy the Bible from a different
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standpoint than you were taughtthroughout your life in your
church and through yourupbringing.
That kind of critical thinkingis important to better
understand what you believe andwhy you believe it.
And even if you don't agreewith it, no one is ever saying
that you have to agree with it,or at least they shouldn't be
saying that that you must agreewith it.
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But I think that that sort ofhonest intellectual journey of
the self brings about morecomfort with your own
spirituality, because you knowthat genuine inquisitiveness is
nothing to fear.
Doubt is nothing to fear.
Doubt is nothing to fear.
It is what leads you to obtaintrue and verifiable knowledge,
whatever that knowledge mayactually hold.
Laurie (04:54):
Yeah, exactly.
So, this all began, this questto write a book, a little over
five years ago now.
It was right after you told methat you published your book,
The Gnostic's Fire, which is anovel, a supernatural sort of
mystery novel, and I rememberthat we were talking about you
publishing, or your publishingexperience with Xlibris and how
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I was thinking that it seemed tobe a lot less of a headache
than what I went through withPage Publishing, but it got me
thinking about a trilogy, abouthow we could turn all that we
learned from reading Erich VonDaniken and Zecharia Sitchin's
books and putting it into afantasy story, something like a
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sci-fi film.
Joe (05:40):
Right.
Well, it actually went a littlefurther back than that.
So, you and I worked togetherfor a few years before we got
our books published.
We had been on many callstogether.
We were in the same division onthe east side of town.
You and I were both with patroloperations for years, and you
were with the agency for quite awhile before I was and became a
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detective before I did, andthen you went back on the
streets for a few years beforeretiring last December.
Anyway, it was in July of 2016that I overheard your
conversation on the phone withsomeone while you were in the
briefing room at our policestation, and I walked in and
overheard part of it and youwere telling whoever it was on
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the other end about a book thatyou said you were getting
published, and that struck myinterest because at the time, I
was also working on a manuscriptfor a book.
So after you got off the phone,I asked if you had I heard you
correctly saying that youpublished a book, and that's
when you told me about Let UsDescend" the biblical first
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contact Right and the person Iwas talking to.
Laurie (06:53):
I had no idea who it was .
I can't remember for the life ofme who that was, but I know
that a lot of people heard aboutthe book and they were asking
questions about it and they werecalling me up asking me to tell
them about it and why I wroteit, because it was very
controversial and a lot ofChristians hated it and the
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church didn't like it, that'sfor sure.
And I was trying to explain howyou can still be a Christian
and believe in the ancient alientheory and that's how I
explained it in a book.
But yeah, after that we gotinto more discussions about The
Twelfth Planet by Sitchin andhow the Sumerian narratives
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about the Anunnaki and theBiblical account of the Hebrew
God seemed to be describingthings that could easily be
interpreted as extraterrestrialencounters.
So we found out that we were inagreement about a lot of these
things and learned that you knowwe came from similar religious
backgrounds in Christianministry and church
participation, as we mentionedto everyone in our first episode
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.
Anyway, after that point intime you got your book published
.
Joe (08:03):
After that, Well, yeah, as it was.
After seeing that you got yourbook finished in 2016, that
inspired me to press on withmine.
I started writing The Gnostic'sFire in 2014, and it dragged I
mean it really dragged.
Book writing it takes a longtime because you run into
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periods of what they callwriter's block and, of course,
we have full-time jobs andfamilies and that takes our time
too, so it's not like you candevote 100% every day like with
full-time employment.
When you're writing a book, youkind of do it in spurts, and
sometimes those spurts comequickly and other times you go
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for weeks or even months withoutany kind of real creativity
flowing through you and and themanuscript just kind of sits on
the on the flash drive and youdon't you don't even touch it
and, um, you know, for a while Iwas actually thinking of the
title The Gnostic's Stone and Ithought that sounded a little
too much like something fromHarry Potter.
And then I went with TheGnostic's Talisman, and I was
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sticking with that for almost upto the time the manuscript was
finalized, and I decided Ididn't like that, and I went
with The Gnostics Fire andthat's what it's published under
.
And really, about the time whenI found out about your book, I
was starting to really wonderabout just quitting and it's not
writing anymore and just givingup on continuing that book.
So after I saw that youcompleted it and it was a final
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product, that really motivatedme to do the same, and so I went
ahead and finished Gnostic'sFire a little over two years
later it was in December of 2018.
And I think I ordered one ofyour first copies that were sold
that were available, of Let UsDescend.
Now, most people don't knowthis, but you had a slightly
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different title at the initialpublication, so I guess I can
say I have like a collector'sedition of your book.
Laurie (10:00):
Right.
Well, at first I went withOmmitimus Descendum: The
Biblical F irst Contact, and Iwanted to use the Latin phrase
for let us descend, buteventually found out that that
was not working out so great forthe Google search engine and
ended up being the wronginterpretation.
So, a little embarrassing.
But about a year later Ichanged it.
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But about a year later, Ichanged it.
But, yeah, in early 2019, wetalked about co-authoring a
trilogy and got right to work onthe first book, which is this
one, the Battle Planet AD, andwe agreed upon writing this book
as a fictional account to theancient alien theory, and it's
divided up into three parts, andthe first being something like
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a space opera told to have beenhappening some 4,000 years ago
in ancient Africa, in the MiddleEast, and the other two being
the main body of the story,which is actually set in 1947,
hint, hint and that's where ourprimary characters are
introduced and it takes on thegenre genre of a of an action
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adventure saga from there yeah,and I just want to say I I think
ominous to send them as a cooltitle.
Joe (11:11):
I mean I like the Latin phrase there.
I thought that was really cool,but I understand.
Yeah, it probably doesn't workout so great on the google
search engine, um so, but itmeans the same thing.
Ommitimus descendum is Latinfor let us descend.
But yeah, it's no coincidencethat the main story of our book
takes place in 1947.
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That is the year of the Roswellincident and it associates that
it's a real occurrence with alot of literary embellishment
and fabrication, as we arenovelists, and with one another
that is told to happen in Egyptduring the same time frame.
There's another storyline, liketwo sub-stories going together,
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once happening in Egypt duringthe same time frame, in 1947.
And that first part of thenovel is like a precursor and,
as you said, it takes place inthe ancient world.
But here there is an immediateand parallel connection from
that into the second part, whichis the crash, which is the time
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during the crash of Roswellhappens and there's a concurrent
archaeological discovery madein Egypt.
So both are tied to one another, to the events of the first
part come together in the thirdpart as the two protagonists are
introduced to each other andembark on a special mission, a
quest, and that is where theentire picture is revealed and
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the whole theme of the storythen starts to become known yeah
, the whole thing begins with anaerial battle that was going on
with the alien ships.
Laurie (12:53):
sit back during the time of the biblical story of Sodom
and Gomorrah, but also, at thesame time, the Hindu story of
Mohenjo-Daro, so there's aconnection there between those
two cities, which probably arethe same, but both accounts from
ancient texts talk aboutdestruction of the cities in a
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manner that seems to be nothingless than thermonuclear
explosions.
And the book of Genesisdescribes fire and brimstone
funneling upon Sodom andGomorrah and how Lot's wife
turned into a pillar of saltsimply by looking at the cities
being destroyed while at adistance away from them.
And the Mahabharata, the Hindutext, has huge flying palaces
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shaped like pyramids that couldmove about the sky and rain down
fire.
And there is an obviousconnection there, as they both
are talking about a fieryannihilation coming down from
above.
And we took our story from thebook of Genesis and created it
and told it a separate versionabout the God side of things and
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how it could be that theyorchestrated the destruction
from their spaceships in orbitabove the Earth.
Joe (14:07):
Yeah, and we were able to see, you know, with this, the
opportunity to write our ownstory about that.
Like you said, we took a lot ofmaterial from the book of
Genesis and, sort of you know,made our own little story out of
it about what's talked about inour religious traditions and
being related to ancient aliens.
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But we didn't want to just makeit all about ancient aliens, we
wanted to bring it in line withmodern day UFO stories and also
make it seem not so much, youknow, it's forced or cliche.
We didn't want to talk allabout you know-day UFOs and all
about ancient aliens, so wewanted to somehow forge them
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together into one well-stitchedstoryline.
So of course, the Roswell partis one of the most famous
accounts of extraterrestrialencounters from our time.
So we wanted to use that tobring the theory of ancient
aliens into something mosteveryone has heard of and
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certainly make the story uniquewith our own characters and sets
of dynamics.
And the reference to Roswell isreally the only thing in it
that's based on a true event.
Everything else is completelyfictional and really even the
substory surrounding Roswell andall of its material it's stuff
that we created from the libertyof our imaginations, right?
Laurie (15:32):
Yeah, we created it from our imagination.
But I mean, if you're at thefaith to believe that the
stories of God in the Bible aretrue, then I guess you can say
it would be true to a point, Iguess, from a certain point of
view.
I don't know, but that's whyyou know it is fiction.
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It's a science fiction slashhistorical fiction, and what we
do is some of the names and ifyou read the book they're not
misspelled we decided to use thenames as if the gods were like.
This is how the gods would havespelled the names to Abraham
and to Lot, so they're spelleddifferently.
That was done purposely, so onpurpose, and so it sums up the
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whole human quest forunderstanding our origins.
The opening line on our backcover synopsis is the quest for
our future lies in our past.
So, simply put, the answers towho we will be as a world
civilization to come are foundthrough learning about what
happened to us in our past, andthe main part of the book is
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really about that.
One of the characters, the maincharacter, Stephen Marshall.
He's a US Army Air Corpsofficer who investigates the UFO
crash at Roswell and he'sordered by the Pentagon to meet
up with the other character,samuel Crowley, and he's a
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British archaeologist whodiscovers an astonishing
artifact in Egypt, who in turnis ordered by his government to
further study what he uncoveredthere.
And those are the maincharacters, and the two of them
sort of together represent thedesire in everyone to find the
truth about our existence in theuniverse, the ever-present
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questions of who we are, why arewe here and what is our destiny
.
Joe (17:28):
Exactly.
That puts it pretty succinctly.
Samuel represents theintellectual curiosity and
inquisitiveness of humanity anda desire to explore and be
receptive to new ideas and newpossibilities, no matter how
much they challenge what wealready know and believe about
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ourselves and the world we livein.
Stephen, on the other hand, hesort of embodies our struggle in
accepting change and ahesitancy to break away from all
the dogmas and the rules andthe traditions that we've been
taught and brought up in.
And even when there is anemptiness to those notions and
beliefs, we have a tendency tohold on to them.
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And Stephen sort of representsthat side of the human
experience.
So the character arcs of bothSamuel and Stephen bring them to
the awareness of our place inthe universe and what is to come
in the future, of our place inthe universe and what is to come
in the future.
And they reach this by anunderstanding that aliens have
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been here on Earth and that theywill come back to Earth again,
possibly sooner than anyone canpossibly fathom.
And those aliens are the godsfrom our religions, and the
mythologies about those gods arenothing more than the record of
the aliens being here on Earth.
The very Anunnaki is told andis preserved in the ancient
Sumerian tradition, like wementioned from our readings of
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Zacharias Sitchin and Eric VonDaniken.
Laurie (19:00):
Correct.
Now, it's no secret at thispoint that the archaeological
relic that is discovered is thewreckage of an alien spaceship.
And we decided to go with thisbecause we know that many
monuments have been discoveredunder the sands of Egypt and in
the foliage of Central America.
So what if, one day, an actualspaceship is discovered beneath
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a pyramid or found buried in thesand or soils of the world Not
a glyph or an itching, but areal deal piece of ET machinery?
How will that affect us?
How will it change us,particularly in our beliefs
about God and fate?
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So, based on what we justdescribed here, with the
beginning of the book and partsof going through the book, we're
going to read a portion of thechapter detailing this account,
where the gods are discussingthe destruction of Sodom and
Gomorrah.
So I'm going to read from page80, the bottom of page 80, and
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to wherever I stop here.
So anyway, so here it goes.
Meanwhile, far out in space onthe flagship, Enlil and Minister
Erdo stand on the observationplatform of the busy command
bridge while discussing matters.
Commander Alm walks over tothem to give a status update,
the regional bases are reportingin with their head counts, and
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we have the shuttle standing by.
He spoke efficiently.
We still are waiting for thelogistical sorties on the
surface to finish the neededmobility protocol.
What about the local governors?
Enlil inquired.
Have they relayed theirevacuation procedures for all
those who are under them?
They have, my lord Om answeredand then hesitated, but we still
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have yet to receive any wordfrom Prince Enki.
Although the disassemblyprocess in Canaan tends to be a
little more complicated than inother regions, I'm sure it won't
be much longer.
Enlil's expression wasconsternated.
What about the attack ships?
Are they in the final stage ofpreparation?
Yes, sir, they are at 80% offull strength.
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They are all in standby orbitwith designated armament being
uploaded.
They will be ready to move intoposition once the order is
given.
Enky is a fool if he thinks theking and I are not serious about
this.
I'll blast that planet topieces, even with him on it.
He is silent for a few secondswhile he scans out the window,
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out at the glowing blue earth.
Let's begin a hard countdown.
Let's sit it for T-48, as youwish, my lord.
Wait one more thing.
Yes, sir.
Enlil struggled with hisfeelings, pondering his inner
conflict of both burning angertowards his brother and, at the
same time, deep affection.
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Send the shuttle down there now.
I'm not going to give Enki achance to drag his feet with
this and I'm not going to allowhim to try to become a martyr in
the eyes of my father.
I personally want him off thesurface immediately.
Once you need to go thereyourself.
Urdu spoke up.
After all, no one else otherthan the king has the authority
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to make him leave, as you say.
Neither the king nor I havetime to go to sin there and do
that.
Enlil replied One of oursecurity detachments will be
given their orders directly fromme to use force, if need be, to
get them onto the ship.
Perhaps I can be of help.
Came a low voice from behindthem.
The three of them turned tolook.
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Ninmah was standing elegantlyat the opposite end of the
platform.
I will go to the surface andtalk to Enki, their sister.
Enlil began to say the situationbelow is quite precarious right
now, why it's even worse thanthe last time they rebuilt.
They're more vicious andbloodthirsty.
I wouldn't feel right seeingyou go there.
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You know very well that ifanything happens to Enki at your
bidding, our father would behighly angered with you.
She answered.
Enlil looked at Erdu, who inreturn gave an expression
showing his agreement with her.
He will listen to me, ninmacontinued.
If I go there, he willcertainly be persuaded to not
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dally at the king's command.
Enki has never been able to sayno to me.
A tinge of jealousy came acrossEnlil as he heard Ninmah speak
flirtingly and affectionatelyabout Enki, becoming somewhat
entranced by the sight of herextraordinary charm.
Ninmah's brilliant aqua-blueeyes, radiant, glowing
complexion and long flowingblack hair all accentuated her
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perfect femininity.
Indeed, she was the embodimentof beauty.
Perhaps you're correct, Enlilsaid quickly, regaining his
attentiveness.
The king would hold meaccountable for any calamity
that might befall my fool-hardybrother if he were not to comply
with my men acting on ordersfrom me.
If he were not to comply withmy men acting on order from me,
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Ninmah gave him a seductive andalluring smile, which again made
him lose his train of thought.
Very well, he snapped CommanderAlm, see to it that the
princess is escorted towhichever transport shuttle was
being sent to Sector 7.
Right away, sir, he answered,Then looked over at Ninmah.
Your Highness, if you willplease follow me, okay.
Joe (24:27):
So that part that you read there, uh, that is from um the
like I said, it's three parts.
That is the first part, that isthe uh space opera part, and it
does sound indeed like spaceopera, the names and the
descriptions, the sort ofmilitary, uh, of military style
to it.
They're about to do an attackfrom space and it sounds like
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ancient alien stuff is becausethat's what it's meant to sound
like.
The first part of the book isjust that it is the ancient
aliens on Earth and what they'retalking about is what we see in
the book of genesis.
Okay, and was sodom andgomorrah being destroyed the way
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it is?
And when we read that, thataccount, you know, the
destruction of Sodom andGomorrah does very much sound,
in terms of, you know,description, like a
thermonuclear blast, like yousaid, said before Laurie, even
the details, with Lot's wifeturning to a pillar of salt.
That's a strange sort ofdescription, that's a strange
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way to put it pillar of salt.
Obviously, she perished justsimply from looking at the
destruction of the cities and weknow from modern day use of
nuclear weapons testing that youcan't look at it, you have to
be extremely far away and evenif you put your hands over your
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eyes that cover your eyes fromthe blast of the nuclear
explosion, the radiation from itis so powerful that it'll
actually penetrate the flesh ofyour hands and still blind you.
So looking at it is dangerous.
Looking at it can actually,depending on how far away you
are, can kill you, and we'veseen that with even the stories
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from Hiroshima and Nagasaki thatpeople far away from the
nuclear blast still died justfrom the exposure to it.
So this sounds a lot like that.
I mean, we don't know for sure.
It doesn't say it's a nuclearexplosion, but it kind of has
that similar sort of description.
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So what we're doing here isputting that into the context of
a new story, and that beingthat Sodom and Gomorrah actually
are being destroyed bythermonuclear weapons deployed
by the Anunnaki, the Anunnakibeing this alien race who is
present on Earth at this time inEarth's past.
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So this part of the book isreally not the main story.
This is sort of the fore storyand it kind of sets the tone
about Earth's history, as manyof us know, is told from ancient
astronaut theory, like as wefind from reading Zachariah
Sitchin and Eric Von Danigan.
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So that was a good take on itthere, laurie.
Laurie (27:25):
Yeah, thanks.
And well, as you just heard, Imean, that's what we are asking.
Like, could it be possible thata discussion like this occurred
4,000 plus years ago and wehave these stories that are told
to us, like you said, inGenesis and Earth?
So, you know, with Earth, therehad to have been, you know, a
spaceship or something up above,uh, the, the earth, for it to
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occur, as described in genesis,the whole, you know the whole,
uh, fire and brimstone, likewe've said before.
Like, if god is god, you knowthe capital g, and he's the
omnipotent and ever-presentbeing, and you know, and he
created everything intoexistence by speaking it, why
couldn't he just speak it out ofexistence?
Why does fire and brimstonehave to come down from the
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heavens to destroy these cities?
And the same example is truefor the Tower of Babel story.
I mean, we have the biblicalconversation about God talking
to other gods, about going downto see the tower.
Now, if he's already thisomnipotent being and he's
everywhere present, shouldn't healready seen the tower?
Shouldn't he already know aboutthe tower?
So I mean, what about thatconversation?
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And how, where and when did ittake place?
So we have this type ofsituation arise with a
university professor namedSamuel Crowley, who realizes
that a discovery like this willindeed change the course of
history, and that discovery isthis relic that is of the gods,
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the spaceship.
And then that's when thisdiscovery is connected to
another discovery, which is inRoswell, new Mexico.
Hint, hint.
Now this is where we have theBritish intelligence officers
meeting up with the US Air Forcein an attempt to gain the
secrets of the crashed ships and, of course, a religious group
arises claiming the ship to be aholy vessel of God.
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So you can see where thesimilarities are with how things
unfold today with these typesof discoveries, with how things
unfold today with these types ofdiscoveries and I mean, we
mentioned it just last episodewith the whole Baltic Sea.
Anomaly Like that could verywell be a crashed spaceship at
the bottom of the Baltic Sea,but yet we're not going to know
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about that because the powersthat be will keep that
information from getting out tous.
They're not going to admit that.
That's what it is.
It's similar to how, you know,the Muslims adore the Benben
stone, which is a meteorite, butyou know, they circle around
that thing and they worship it.
And this is how.
This is where we went with thiscabal of or whatever.
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And now we're going to read aportion of a conversation
between the ancient gods.
Well, we just read a portion ofthe ancient gods that led up to
the imminent attack on Sodomand Gomorrah.
But I'm going to read at thegovernor Marduk, which is on
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page 44.
At the Governor Marduk, whichis on page 44.
And soon a human enters andbows on page 46.
Give me a minute here to findpage 44.
Okay, okay.
While Governor Marduk andCommander Alm await the royal
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arrival down on the surface,enki, anu's other son and the
half-brother of Enlil, walks outonto one of the porticoes on
the north wall of the immensepalace in southern Africa.
From there he looks out to thelush mountains that are miles
beyond the jungle, where he seesthe cumbersome machinery moving
about the myriad of mineshafts.
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He is deep in his thoughts forseveral minutes, so much so that
he initially doesn't hear Kenan, one of his advisors, come onto
the portico from the open door.
Lord Inky, lord Inky, sir, herepeatedly said.
Your Highness.
Finally, snapping out of hisdaydream, inky turns around to
see him.
I'm sorry to bother you, mylord, but Abraham has arrived
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and wishes to speak with us.
I believe he may have someimportant information concerning
the incursions.
Inky, who stands at astaggering twelve feet in height
, nods to him.
Yes, I suppose he does, he saidin a sobering tone.
Indeed, said Keegan, thesituation is quite precarious.
You know, enlil will be eagerto find out, to find any reason
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to bring swift and brutalretaliation, and that's why we
need to take a stand and appealto the king's more calculated
nature.
He will hear you out.
You are his son.
He has always shown more favorto Enlil with everything.
Enki grumbled, perhaps, perhaps, but he cannot deny your
greatness, my lord, seeing whatyou have done for the bitterment
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of our mission here.
Without you, there would be nobiogenesis and our gold
productions would be a third ofwhat it is Truly, and it would
be our people who would berevolting against him instead of
the Adamu.
At the very least, he has toglorify me for that.
Enki paused for a few secondsthen said have Abraham meet us
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in my chamber.
I do wish to hear what he hasto say.
The two of them walked throughthe palace and then entered a
large and lavish room, and soona human enters and bows.
Joe (32:44):
We don't want to give away too much of the plot either.
Right, and really the plot isactually pretty complex.
So what we're doing now, thisis when we decided, when we, you
know, we're going to create thestory that we had to have, you
know, something to set the stage, and the ancient alien theory
is what's setting the stage.
So that is what the firstsection of the book is.
What's setting the stage.
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So that is what the firstsection of the book is.
It's setting the stage, andit's this first six chapters, I
believe, is part one, and thatdescribes the alien race, the
Anunnaki, the gods from Nibiru.
We do reference the planetNibiru in that part, but the
real meat of the story comes in.
Part two okay, and that's whenwe meet Professor Dr Samuel
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Crowley.
Okay, and that's when we're inthe year 1947.
So now we're taking on to themain part of the story, and this
is where we wanted to get intothe meaning of it is where
people's desire to know thetruth and our push for discovery
, and that's exactly whathappens here.
A great discovery is made andthis is always something I
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wondered and we even had anepisode about this, uh, a while
ago was about, um, you knowspaceports on earth and the
question was you know, if thisalien race was here, why don't
we see more of their hardware?
Why don't we actually comeacross like a wrecked spacecraft
?
Well, in this novel, that'sexactly what happens.
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They come across a wreckedspacecraft.
Polly and his crew are on a digout in Egypt, to the west of
Cairo, and they come across aspacecraft and it's no doubt a
UFO.
And Bally recognizesimmediately that this shouldn't
be here.
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This is a piece of technologythat just does not belong buried
in the sands of Egypt, wherethe other things that they're
finding are 4,000 years old.
It's just out of place.
So he knows what they found wasa huge discovery that is going
to change our understanding ofarchaeology and human history.
(34:55):
So, again, we don't want to gettoo much into the plot, we don't
want to give it all away, butthis concurrently happens with
the reference to the Roswellstory.
That's where other protagonistsStephen, who is, like you said,
he's an army officer, he's atRoswell Air Base and now he's
going to investigate the crash.
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Now this really, like I said,this is the one part of the
story where it's based on afactual event, but the details
and the names, the actual layoutof events, that is not the same
.
This is not the officialRoswell story that you're going
to find in here.
This is a fabricated story.
But the only thing that isfactual is the name Roswell and
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the incident that happened there.
So factual is the name Roswelland the incident that happened
there.
Everything else we took theliberty of using our own
imaginations with differentnames, different set of
conversations and everythinglike that, and really the whole
storyline out of that iscompletely changed.
Right, laurie?
Laurie (35:57):
Right, yeah, it is, and well, we'll read.
I guess we'll read a little,just probably a page here, I
think a page or two a referenceto the discovery Right.
Joe (36:14):
Yeah, what Crowley is finding, because this is really
kind of the aha moment.
Laurie (36:25):
This is where he finds the smoking gun that all of us
us, you know want to see.
We want to see the proof, right.
So it begins with on page 108.
Um, I found something, came toshout quickly.
The others helped to brush thedirt off what had been hit.
They stood up in the footamentas they saw an object of similar
color as the other one, butlong and cylindrical in shape,
with tubes and wires coming fromthe side.
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I say it looks like somethingfrom an airplane, like from an
airplane landing gear.
One of them exclaimed.
Crowley's face became flushedand he started to tremble
slightly.
It's not from an airplane, hehothered monotonically.
Not from an airplane.
Then what in God's name is itfrom?
Look, henry said.
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These tubes and wire things goon in this direction.
There's more connected to it.
Crowley scanned the groundsurrounding the nearby dug test
pit with a stiff face.
Keep digging that way, heordered, pointing let's try to
expose more Feverously.
They dig in the direction wherethe tubes and wire run in the
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buried soil and with every fewfeet they come upon similar
objects, all with wires andtubes coming from them.
Soon they hit a large piece,something like a structure.
We have something big here, itseems to be this way.
To the left, someone shouted.
Everyone paused with their eyesaffixed to what was exposed
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from underneath millennia ofsand, which looked like an
aircraft's wing edge.
By now, dusk was approaching andsoon the sun would be sitting.
Crowley pulled out ananchorshift and wiped the sweat
from his brow, staring at thestructure as if in a trance.
He knew there was something bigin the ground, but he knew he
had to be right before tellingthe world.
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And, needing as muchconfirmation as possible, my
friends, he began to speak witha tone of both fear and
invigoration.
We may very well be on thethreshold of history tonight.
What we will soon discover onthis excavation may surpass your
wildest imaginations.
If it is what I believe ittruly is, then the entire course
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of humanity is about to beforever altered.
Every religion known to man hasattempted to connect us with
the gods and their heavenlyrealms.
This will be that veryconnection.
This is not from ancient man ormodern man.
This is from the gods.
Joe (38:51):
Right.
So this part here is sort ofthe foundation.
This is the nexus that joinsthe ancient alien story that is
in part one with the main partof the story, that is in part
one with the main part of thestory.
This is the discovery that getsthe entire thing moving,
because it's based on this thatthe whole story is centered.
And from this point, as theplot continues to move on, we
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see parallel stories betweenSamuel's experience with what
he's finding right now and alsowith Stephen's experience with
the Roswell incident.
They come together.
Essentially, like you saidearlier, the two governments
want these two individuals tobecome part of a team that is
meant to more or less secure theinterests of Western
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governments on the claim to thisdiscovery.
And that's sort of what drivesthe, that's the impetus for
everything to get into motion isthat the two governments, the
British government and the USgovernment, realize that
something very important thatwill change the course of human
history has been found and itneeds to be secured.
So it wouldn't be a novel ifthere wasn't some conflict,
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right, or some tension.
There has to be an antagonist,and there is an antagonist.
You brought it up before thatcabal.
So this cabal, what do you haveto say about the cabal?
Laurie (40:18):
Yeah, so this cabal is the Brotherhood of the Serapis
and these are an ancient.
They're Gnostics, I believe, ashow we described them, and they
are the ones that are trying tokeep this discovery from
falling into the hands of thegovernment officials.
(40:40):
And this is where it getsviolent, because they are very
religious, very religious totheir core, and they believe
that this ancient ship isactually the ship of God.
So, like I said, it's almostlike you know, we're taking the
story of, like, how they lovethe uh, the Benben stone.
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They worship that Um, and nowthis ship that is a relic of the
gods.
They believe that this is anactual uh spaceship, but not
spaceship in our minds.
But they, they can't see pastthe religiousness of this, uh,
of this thing.
And when they see God, thatthis is a vehicle of God, they
don't see past the religiousnessof this, of this thing.
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And when they see God that thisis a vehicle of God, they don't
see that it's a vehicle, thatit was made by the gods, the
gods being flesh and blood.
All they see is God, this isfrom God.
So from here, this is where thewhole story takes, you know, a
violent turn, but I can't givemuch detail about that right now
(41:44):
.
Joe (41:45):
So this is the part where there's conflict.
Okay, and the conflict is youhave the team that Stephen and
Samuel are part of, and that isthe practical, scientific
endeavor.
That is the political endeavor,this is the spiritual endeavor,
this cabal of the Brotherhoodof Serapis, and they're closely
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associated with the Copticchurch in Egypt.
Coptics are Christians, butthis special group that we're
talking about actuallyincorporates all mythology, not
only Christianity, incorporatesall mythology, not only
Christianity, but also thereligion of ancient Egypt into
the dogma of their belief in God.
(42:29):
So, like you said, this issomething like the Kaaba of
Islam or the Benben stone ofIslam, and it's holy, it comes
from the gods and it's somethingthat is not meant to be
examined or tampered with.
It's something that's meant tobe worshipped and protected, and
that's exactly what they wantto do.
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So that's where the tensioncomes in and, yes, it does take
a violent turn.
There are other things thatprelude all this.
They have to make a little sidetrip into British mandate
Palestine before they actuallygo into Egypt.
So, looking back, we actuallymade a pretty complex plot with
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a lot of sub stories that goalong with this, and quite a few
characters were introduced inthe telling of this entire novel
, right, oh yeah there.
Laurie (43:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's quite a few.
There's several Britishintelligence agents that joined
you know that joined the questand there's a couple of these
other I don't know what youwould call them.
Joe (43:46):
What's that?
Uh, what's that, uh, europeantype agency?
Oh, yeah, well, given away alot here, but the french
operation committee, um, yeah,that was a real organization
that existed, um, sometime inthe early 20th century.
Uh, it was, it's more or lessan archaeological organization
and they existed to preserve alot of Egypt's heritage and also
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to spearhead a lot ofarchaeological excavation.
And, yes, it was European runat the time.
Remember, this is 1947.
We're not're not talking, youknow.
We've tried to write the story,as you know.
What would things be like inthe world in in 1947?
(44:30):
Um, and obviously a lotdifferent.
For instance, uh, in 1947 egypthad a king.
Egypt was a monarchy.
That was before the Islamicrevolution in the 50s with
Nasser.
That's how he became like, arevolutionary.
Egypt is now not a monarchy,but in 1947 it was.
(44:54):
So we had to take that intoconsideration.
We had to do a good bit ofresearch into what was going on
in Egypt and England and theUnited States in 1947.
And it was a little bitdifferent than it is now and,
like we said, we wanted this tobe a trilogy.
So this is supposed to be thefirst book of a trilogy, which
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means, yeah, there's two more tocome.
There's two more to come andthe plan is that, with the other
two, that that will bring usmore into a contemporary
timeframe it won't be 1947.
That that would be the firstpart of the trilogy.
The second one would be morelike you know, basically our
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current time period of you know,2024, you know and then the
third one would be even furtherin the future.
So it set up a storyline likethat.
So, but right now we were justfocusing on the first book,
which was quite a Herculean task.
Laurie (45:53):
Yeah, and, like I said, I mean we, we really go into
that on how the feelings of lotand his wife and I won't I won't
read it, but if you read itit's pretty emotional Lot seeing
his wife die and theirconversation and him, you know,
trying to get her to not lookback, and we really go into
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detail about that.
And then we, you know, sothat's why we wanted to take all
these parts from beginning, ofwhen these gods came and created
the human race and they'rewanting to destroy us and
certain humans were saved andprotected.
And then you know we have otherraces involved, other alien
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races involved, and there's abattle going on for humans and
there's secret missions that aregoing on.
And then we lead up into this1947 era and then from there,
you know, we try and show thereligiousness of what's similar
(46:58):
to today and how the religiousmind thinks about certain things
and how it's hard to acceptthese things, such as
discoveries.
If there was a discovery likethis, how would society react if
it actually came to be that we?
(47:18):
It's like in that movie,independence Day, when they they
went down underneath thisbunker and they saw that ship.
Like what if a ship like thatwas discovered and was put on
display for the entire world tosee and that it was full
disclosure.
How would the world react tothat?
And?
But there are powers that bethat keep this stuff behind
(47:40):
closed doors because they don'twant society to see or to know
about this.
And they may have their reasons.
They may be good reasons, theymay be selfish reasons, they may
be, you know, not, goodintentions beyond it, who knows?
But you know, but the next bookis not for the faint of heart
(48:01):
and the it's uh, it's quite thebattles that will be uh, going
on and um, you know, but uh.
Joe (48:09):
So we think that you guys will enjoy the book if you, if
you read it essentially, what wewant to do is take the ancient
astronaut theory and make itinto a novel, make it something
entertaining, and we did did alot of searching on that idea.
We haven't come across anyoneelse who's done this, who's
written a book about ancientastronaut theory and sort of
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brought it into.
You know, what would we dotoday if we found out that it
was true?
I think that's the questionthat a lot of us would like to,
you know, find out.
It's like all these episodes ofancient aliens on the history
channel, and you know we've allseen those shows where they
explain the possibility and whatit'll be.
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What could, you know, be anexplanation for some of these
stories and mythology and thebiblical narrative?
What if we found the actualpiece that said, hey, it really
did happen.
What would it be like?
And that's what we want thisnovel to be about.
Laurie (49:13):
Yeah, so we hope you check out Battle Planet AD A
Relic of the Gods Right.
Joe Right, we think you'llenjoy Battle Planet AD a relic
of the gods Right.
Joe (49:23):
Joe Right, we think you'll enjoy it and find it very
entertaining, maybe even a bittantalizing.
It is available on Amazon andBarnes Noble.
The paperback is going for what?
$19.99, hardcover $24.99, ande-book $9.99 for both Amazon
Kindle and Barnes Noble Nook.
(49:43):
Again, we're not peddling this.
We're just telling you what theprices are.
We're not trying to.
It's not a sales pitch.
We just want to share ourexperience in writing the book,
because it has been verytime-consuming over the last
five years.
Also, it is not on the shelvesin any bookstore, at least not
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yet.
You can only get it online.
So thank you all for thesupport you've given us by
listening to our podcast and,you know, a big thank you to our
lovely wives and our familiesfor the encouragement you've
given us while we were writingthis book and for being there
for us during all the many hoursthat we had to spend on it and
the time that we had to takeaway from other things, like all
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the things on the honeydew list.
Can't spray the weeds.
Today, my dear, I'm working onthe book manuscript, but
seriously, you're great and welove you and we couldn't have
done this without you.
Laurie (50:39):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Have done this without you?
Yeah, that's for sure.
So we've heard about how theAmerican government may have
been hiding UFO secrets fordecades, that alien technology
is being researched and reverseengineered out in Area 51.
But could it also be thataliens themselves are a part of
all of it?
(50:59):
There are such stories aboutthat very thing, and one of them
is even said to have a name,and that name is Valiant Thor.
Yes, it is the basis of apopular movie, but it also is
thought by some people to be thename given to a real ET who has
been to the Pentagon and theWhite House.
Joe (51:23):
Yeah, it's a name associated with the Eisenhower
administration.
An alien being who came toEarth near Washington DC
demanded to see the president tospeak about the concerns of his
race, his alien race, about thefuture of our planet, and
supposedly there are old photosof him.
(51:44):
I've seen them.
He looks pretty human and whileit is definitely the story
material of many science fictionbooks and movies by that title
Valiant Thor, there have beensome people claiming to have
worked in the CIA who say he isreal and he is an ET.
So we'll dabble in that alittle bit next time.
Laurie (52:07):
It kind of reminds me of that movie.
Uh, the day the earth stoodstill you know?
Yeah, that came from the sameera 50s yeah, yeah, well, I
wonder if he's still around.
You know, like randomlywandering about the government
facilities.
Joe (52:24):
I think if we had an ET working with the government,
things would actually be runningmore smoothly than they are.
Lister reptilians Joe Welleither way, it could use some
higher intelligence, right.
Laurie (52:37):
Yeah, no kidding.
So yeah, once again, thank youall for tuning in today's
episode and please considergiving our novel a read.
And, uh, we want to know whatyou think, so read it, read it
through and let us know yourthoughts yes, we would
definitely love to know what youthink of the book and, uh, our
podcast show.
Joe (52:57):
And until then, uh, until we're with you again here on
alien talk podcast, stay curiousalways.
Hello, everybody, thank you for joining us on Alien Talk
Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, wherewe push the limits of our
understanding.
We are your inquisitive,truth-seeking and fact-chasing
co-hosts, Joe Landry and LaurieOldford, and, as of one month
ago, we are co-authorsbrand-new a science fiction
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novel that is titled BattlePlanet AD: Relic of the Gods,
and we're obviously very proudof it.
We took a lot of time to writeit and work on the storyline and
refine the plot and all of itscharacters, and it's something
we envisioned in our minds forquite a while and something of
which we put a lot of planningin, and something of which we
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put a lot of planning in.
So today we want to go into alittle bit about what motivated
and inspired us to create thisnovel and really, along with
that, this podcast.
Right, Laurie?
All of it began with just youand I talking about the ancient
astronaut theory while we wereon long night shifts at work and
bouncing ideas around.
Laurie (01:05):
Yeah, that's right.
We both found that we had acommon interest in Zecharia
Sitchin's book series, The EarthChronicles, and that got us
thinking about how we can sharesome of the ideas we formulated
about how ancient history,particularly that which pertains
to the Bible, is full of stuffthat suggests there was a
(01:25):
significant extraterrestrialpresence.
So you and I wanted to getother people to start thinking
more deeply about thesereligious and scriptural topics
just as we were, and that's whenwe came up with the idea to
present it as a novel that wasboth entertaining and
thought-provoking as a novelthat was both entertaining and
(01:47):
thought-provoking, and we wantedto take a concept of the
ancient alien theory and set itas the backdrop for a story that
ties in with the modern-day UFOnarrative.
Right, Right, so i f youremember, from our very first
podcast episode that we airedalmost three years ago now, you
and I explained how some of ourown personal life experiences
led us to ponder and to questiona lot of what we were taught to
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believe in, and when weexamined our faith more closely,
we found that there were thingsthat were very problematic,
that just didn't make sense anddidn't satisfy a reasonable
standard of objective truth.
However, after juxtaposing someof these aspects of the
Christian religion and the Bibleagainst the basic premise of
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extraterrestrial intelligenceand the notion that humanity had
at one time or may still be incontact with aliens, and
certainly from ancient times, wefound that there were possible
answers to some of thesemysteries, some of the
obscurities.
So, we want to revisit thattheme from our first show.
We also want to put it into thecontext of a discussion about
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our book as well as what broughtthe idea of it into existence
for us.
Yeah, and I'm sure there are a lot of you listening
right now that could possiblyrelate, especially if you've
been raised in a church, like wehave, and some of you probably
have been ministers in differentareas of the church like we
have.
And we're not doing an episodewhere we're trying to peddle our
(03:18):
book.
We want to promote thenarrative and explain where
we're coming from in writingthis novel, which in some ways
may be controversial Maybe a lotof ways it'll be controversial
but some people may find it assuch.
So you know, because it doeschallenge the reader to take a
different perspective on theirpersonal faith.
(03:39):
It may encourage some to askthe same questions that you and
I have asked, joel, as well asmany others who have.
Joe (03:48):
You know, I've always thought that that was important
to do, to ask questions, evenwhen I was big into Christian
apologetics.
I believe that you benefit fromoccasionally taking off your
denominational glasses andcontemplating ideas that may
even go completely against yourdeepest beliefs.
And also it's important tostudy the Bible from a different
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standpoint than you were taughtthroughout your life in your
church and through yourupbringing.
That kind of critical thinkingis important to better
understand what you believe andwhy you believe it.
And even if you don't agreewith it, no one is ever saying
that you have to agree with it,or at least they shouldn't be
saying that that you must agreewith it.
(04:31):
But I think that that sort ofhonest intellectual journey of
the self brings about morecomfort with your own
spirituality, because you knowthat genuine inquisitiveness is
nothing to fear.
Doubt is nothing to fear.
Doubt is nothing to fear.
It is what leads you to obtaintrue and verifiable knowledge,
whatever that knowledge mayactually hold.
Laurie (04:54):
Yeah, exactly.
So, this all began, this questto write a book, a little over
five years ago now.
It was right after you told methat you published your book,
The Gnostic's Fire, which is anovel, a supernatural sort of
mystery novel, and I rememberthat we were talking about you
publishing, or your publishingexperience with Xlibris and how
(05:17):
I was thinking that it seemed tobe a lot less of a headache
than what I went through withPage Publishing, but it got me
thinking about a trilogy, abouthow we could turn all that we
learned from reading Erich VonDaniken and Zecharia Sitchin's
books and putting it into afantasy story, something like a
(05:38):
sci-fi film.
Joe (05:40):
Right.
Well, it actually went a littlefurther back than that.
So, you and I worked togetherfor a few years before we got
our books published.
We had been on many callstogether.
We were in the same division onthe east side of town.
You and I were both with patroloperations for years, and you
were with the agency for quite awhile before I was and became a
(06:03):
detective before I did, andthen you went back on the
streets for a few years beforeretiring last December.
Anyway, it was in July of 2016that I overheard your
conversation on the phone withsomeone while you were in the
briefing room at our policestation, and I walked in and
overheard part of it and youwere telling whoever it was on
(06:24):
the other end about a book thatyou said you were getting
published, and that struck myinterest because at the time, I
was also working on a manuscriptfor a book.
So after you got off the phone,I asked if you had I heard you
correctly saying that youpublished a book, and that's
when you told me about Let UsDescend" the biblical first
(06:51):
contact Right and the person Iwas talking to.
Laurie (06:53):
I had no idea who it was .
I can't remember for the life ofme who that was, but I know
that a lot of people heard aboutthe book and they were asking
questions about it and they werecalling me up asking me to tell
them about it and why I wroteit, because it was very
controversial and a lot ofChristians hated it and the
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church didn't like it, that'sfor sure.
And I was trying to explain howyou can still be a Christian
and believe in the ancient alientheory and that's how I
explained it in a book.
But yeah, after that we gotinto more discussions about The
Twelfth Planet by Sitchin andhow the Sumerian narratives
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about the Anunnaki and theBiblical account of the Hebrew
God seemed to be describingthings that could easily be
interpreted as extraterrestrialencounters.
So we found out that we were inagreement about a lot of these
things and learned that you knowwe came from similar religious
backgrounds in Christianministry and church
participation, as we mentionedto everyone in our first episode
(07:59):
.
Anyway, after that point intime you got your book published
.
Joe (08:03):
After that, Well, yeah, as it was.
After seeing that you got yourbook finished in 2016, that
inspired me to press on withmine.
I started writing The Gnostic'sFire in 2014, and it dragged I
mean it really dragged.
Book writing it takes a longtime because you run into
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periods of what they callwriter's block and, of course,
we have full-time jobs andfamilies and that takes our time
too, so it's not like you candevote 100% every day like with
full-time employment.
When you're writing a book, youkind of do it in spurts, and
sometimes those spurts comequickly and other times you go
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for weeks or even months withoutany kind of real creativity
flowing through you and and themanuscript just kind of sits on
the on the flash drive and youdon't you don't even touch it
and, um, you know, for a while Iwas actually thinking of the
title The Gnostic's Stone and Ithought that sounded a little
too much like something fromHarry Potter.
And then I went with TheGnostic's Talisman, and I was
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sticking with that for almost upto the time the manuscript was
finalized, and I decided Ididn't like that, and I went
with The Gnostics Fire andthat's what it's published under
.
And really, about the time whenI found out about your book, I
was starting to really wonderabout just quitting and it's not
writing anymore and just givingup on continuing that book.
So after I saw that youcompleted it and it was a final
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product, that really motivatedme to do the same, and so I went
ahead and finished Gnostic'sFire a little over two years
later it was in December of 2018.
And I think I ordered one ofyour first copies that were sold
that were available, of Let UsDescend.
Now, most people don't knowthis, but you had a slightly
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different title at the initialpublication, so I guess I can
say I have like a collector'sedition of your book.
Laurie (10:00):
Right.
Well, at first I went withOmmitimus Descendum: The
Biblical F irst Contact, and Iwanted to use the Latin phrase
for let us descend, buteventually found out that that
was not working out so great forthe Google search engine and
ended up being the wronginterpretation.
So, a little embarrassing.
But about a year later Ichanged it.
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But about a year later, Ichanged it.
But, yeah, in early 2019, wetalked about co-authoring a
trilogy and got right to work onthe first book, which is this
one, the Battle Planet AD, andwe agreed upon writing this book
as a fictional account to theancient alien theory, and it's
divided up into three parts, andthe first being something like
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a space opera told to have beenhappening some 4,000 years ago
in ancient Africa, in the MiddleEast, and the other two being
the main body of the story,which is actually set in 1947,
hint, hint and that's where ourprimary characters are
introduced and it takes on thegenre genre of a of an action
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adventure saga from there yeah,and I just want to say I I think
ominous to send them as a cooltitle.
Joe (11:11):
I mean I like the Latin phrase there.
I thought that was really cool,but I understand.
Yeah, it probably doesn't workout so great on the google
search engine, um so, but itmeans the same thing.
Ommitimus descendum is Latinfor let us descend.
But yeah, it's no coincidencethat the main story of our book
takes place in 1947.
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That is the year of the Roswellincident and it associates that
it's a real occurrence with alot of literary embellishment
and fabrication, as we arenovelists, and with one another
that is told to happen in Egyptduring the same time frame.
There's another storyline, liketwo sub-stories going together,
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once happening in Egypt duringthe same time frame, in 1947.
And that first part of thenovel is like a precursor and,
as you said, it takes place inthe ancient world.
But here there is an immediateand parallel connection from
that into the second part, whichis the crash, which is the time
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during the crash of Roswellhappens and there's a concurrent
archaeological discovery madein Egypt.
So both are tied to one another, to the events of the first
part come together in the thirdpart as the two protagonists are
introduced to each other andembark on a special mission, a
quest, and that is where theentire picture is revealed and
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the whole theme of the storythen starts to become known yeah
, the whole thing begins with anaerial battle that was going on
with the alien ships.
Laurie (12:53):
sit back during the time of the biblical story of Sodom
and Gomorrah, but also, at thesame time, the Hindu story of
Mohenjo-Daro, so there's aconnection there between those
two cities, which probably arethe same, but both accounts from
ancient texts talk aboutdestruction of the cities in a
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manner that seems to be nothingless than thermonuclear
explosions.
And the book of Genesisdescribes fire and brimstone
funneling upon Sodom andGomorrah and how Lot's wife
turned into a pillar of saltsimply by looking at the cities
being destroyed while at adistance away from them.
And the Mahabharata, the Hindutext, has huge flying palaces
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shaped like pyramids that couldmove about the sky and rain down
fire.
And there is an obviousconnection there, as they both
are talking about a fieryannihilation coming down from
above.
And we took our story from thebook of Genesis and created it
and told it a separate versionabout the God side of things and
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how it could be that theyorchestrated the destruction
from their spaceships in orbitabove the Earth.
Joe (14:07):
Yeah, and we were able to see, you know, with this, the
opportunity to write our ownstory about that.
Like you said, we took a lot ofmaterial from the book of
Genesis and, sort of you know,made our own little story out of
it about what's talked about inour religious traditions and
being related to ancient aliens.
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But we didn't want to just makeit all about ancient aliens, we
wanted to bring it in line withmodern day UFO stories and also
make it seem not so much, youknow, it's forced or cliche.
We didn't want to talk allabout you know-day UFOs and all
about ancient aliens, so wewanted to somehow forge them
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together into one well-stitchedstoryline.
So of course, the Roswell partis one of the most famous
accounts of extraterrestrialencounters from our time.
So we wanted to use that tobring the theory of ancient
aliens into something mosteveryone has heard of and
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certainly make the story uniquewith our own characters and sets
of dynamics.
And the reference to Roswell isreally the only thing in it
that's based on a true event.
Everything else is completelyfictional and really even the
substory surrounding Roswell andall of its material it's stuff
that we created from the libertyof our imaginations, right?
Laurie (15:32):
Yeah, we created it from our imagination.
But I mean, if you're at thefaith to believe that the
stories of God in the Bible aretrue, then I guess you can say
it would be true to a point, Iguess, from a certain point of
view.
I don't know, but that's whyyou know it is fiction.
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It's a science fiction slashhistorical fiction, and what we
do is some of the names and ifyou read the book they're not
misspelled we decided to use thenames as if the gods were like.
This is how the gods would havespelled the names to Abraham
and to Lot, so they're spelleddifferently.
That was done purposely, so onpurpose, and so it sums up the
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whole human quest forunderstanding our origins.
The opening line on our backcover synopsis is the quest for
our future lies in our past.
So, simply put, the answers towho we will be as a world
civilization to come are foundthrough learning about what
happened to us in our past, andthe main part of the book is
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really about that.
One of the characters, the maincharacter, Stephen Marshall.
He's a US Army Air Corpsofficer who investigates the UFO
crash at Roswell and he'sordered by the Pentagon to meet
up with the other character,samuel Crowley, and he's a
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British archaeologist whodiscovers an astonishing
artifact in Egypt, who in turnis ordered by his government to
further study what he uncoveredthere.
And those are the maincharacters, and the two of them
sort of together represent thedesire in everyone to find the
truth about our existence in theuniverse, the ever-present
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questions of who we are, why arewe here and what is our destiny
.
Joe (17:28):
Exactly.
That puts it pretty succinctly.
Samuel represents theintellectual curiosity and
inquisitiveness of humanity anda desire to explore and be
receptive to new ideas and newpossibilities, no matter how
much they challenge what wealready know and believe about
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ourselves and the world we livein.
Stephen, on the other hand, hesort of embodies our struggle in
accepting change and ahesitancy to break away from all
the dogmas and the rules andthe traditions that we've been
taught and brought up in.
And even when there is anemptiness to those notions and
beliefs, we have a tendency tohold on to them.
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And Stephen sort of representsthat side of the human
experience.
So the character arcs of bothSamuel and Stephen bring them to
the awareness of our place inthe universe and what is to come
in the future, of our place inthe universe and what is to come
in the future.
And they reach this by anunderstanding that aliens have
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been here on Earth and that theywill come back to Earth again,
possibly sooner than anyone canpossibly fathom.
And those aliens are the godsfrom our religions, and the
mythologies about those gods arenothing more than the record of
the aliens being here on Earth.
The very Anunnaki is told andis preserved in the ancient
Sumerian tradition, like wementioned from our readings of
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Zacharias Sitchin and Eric VonDaniken.
Laurie (19:00):
Correct.
Now, it's no secret at thispoint that the archaeological
relic that is discovered is thewreckage of an alien spaceship.
And we decided to go with thisbecause we know that many
monuments have been discoveredunder the sands of Egypt and in
the foliage of Central America.
So what if, one day, an actualspaceship is discovered beneath
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a pyramid or found buried in thesand or soils of the world Not
a glyph or an itching, but areal deal piece of ET machinery?
How will that affect us?
How will it change us,particularly in our beliefs
about God and fate?
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So, based on what we justdescribed here, with the
beginning of the book and partsof going through the book, we're
going to read a portion of thechapter detailing this account,
where the gods are discussingthe destruction of Sodom and
Gomorrah.
So I'm going to read from page80, the bottom of page 80, and
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to wherever I stop here.
So anyway, so here it goes.
Meanwhile, far out in space onthe flagship, Enlil and Minister
Erdo stand on the observationplatform of the busy command
bridge while discussing matters.
Commander Alm walks over tothem to give a status update,
the regional bases are reportingin with their head counts, and
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we have the shuttle standing by.
He spoke efficiently.
We still are waiting for thelogistical sorties on the
surface to finish the neededmobility protocol.
What about the local governors?
Enlil inquired.
Have they relayed theirevacuation procedures for all
those who are under them?
They have, my lord Om answeredand then hesitated, but we still
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have yet to receive any wordfrom Prince Enki.
Although the disassemblyprocess in Canaan tends to be a
little more complicated than inother regions, I'm sure it won't
be much longer.
Enlil's expression wasconsternated.
What about the attack ships?
Are they in the final stage ofpreparation?
Yes, sir, they are at 80% offull strength.
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They are all in standby orbitwith designated armament being
uploaded.
They will be ready to move intoposition once the order is
given.
Enky is a fool if he thinks theking and I are not serious about
this.
I'll blast that planet topieces, even with him on it.
He is silent for a few secondswhile he scans out the window,
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out at the glowing blue earth.
Let's begin a hard countdown.
Let's sit it for T-48, as youwish, my lord.
Wait one more thing.
Yes, sir.
Enlil struggled with hisfeelings, pondering his inner
conflict of both burning angertowards his brother and, at the
same time, deep affection.
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Send the shuttle down there now.
I'm not going to give Enki achance to drag his feet with
this and I'm not going to allowhim to try to become a martyr in
the eyes of my father.
I personally want him off thesurface immediately.
Once you need to go thereyourself.
Urdu spoke up.
After all, no one else otherthan the king has the authority
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to make him leave, as you say.
Neither the king nor I havetime to go to sin there and do
that.
Enlil replied One of oursecurity detachments will be
given their orders directly fromme to use force, if need be, to
get them onto the ship.
Perhaps I can be of help.
Came a low voice from behindthem.
The three of them turned tolook.
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Ninmah was standing elegantlyat the opposite end of the
platform.
I will go to the surface andtalk to Enki, their sister.
Enlil began to say the situationbelow is quite precarious right
now, why it's even worse thanthe last time they rebuilt.
They're more vicious andbloodthirsty.
I wouldn't feel right seeingyou go there.
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You know very well that ifanything happens to Enki at your
bidding, our father would behighly angered with you.
She answered.
Enlil looked at Erdu, who inreturn gave an expression
showing his agreement with her.
He will listen to me, ninmacontinued.
If I go there, he willcertainly be persuaded to not
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dally at the king's command.
Enki has never been able to sayno to me.
A tinge of jealousy came acrossEnlil as he heard Ninmah speak
flirtingly and affectionatelyabout Enki, becoming somewhat
entranced by the sight of herextraordinary charm.
Ninmah's brilliant aqua-blueeyes, radiant, glowing
complexion and long flowingblack hair all accentuated her
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perfect femininity.
Indeed, she was the embodimentof beauty.
Perhaps you're correct, Enlilsaid quickly, regaining his
attentiveness.
The king would hold meaccountable for any calamity
that might befall my fool-hardybrother if he were not to comply
with my men acting on ordersfrom me.
If he were not to comply withmy men acting on order from me,
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Ninmah gave him a seductive andalluring smile, which again made
him lose his train of thought.
Very well, he snapped CommanderAlm, see to it that the
princess is escorted towhichever transport shuttle was
being sent to Sector 7.
Right away, sir, he answered,Then looked over at Ninmah.
Your Highness, if you willplease follow me, okay.
Joe (24:27):
So that part that you read there, uh, that is from um the
like I said, it's three parts.
That is the first part, that isthe uh space opera part, and it
does sound indeed like spaceopera, the names and the
descriptions, the sort ofmilitary, uh, of military style
to it.
They're about to do an attackfrom space and it sounds like
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ancient alien stuff is becausethat's what it's meant to sound
like.
The first part of the book isjust that it is the ancient
aliens on Earth and what they'retalking about is what we see in
the book of genesis.
Okay, and was sodom andgomorrah being destroyed the way
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it is?
And when we read that, thataccount, you know, the
destruction of Sodom andGomorrah does very much sound,
in terms of, you know,description, like a
thermonuclear blast, like yousaid, said before Laurie, even
the details, with Lot's wifeturning to a pillar of salt.
That's a strange sort ofdescription, that's a strange
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way to put it pillar of salt.
Obviously, she perished justsimply from looking at the
destruction of the cities and weknow from modern day use of
nuclear weapons testing that youcan't look at it, you have to
be extremely far away and evenif you put your hands over your
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eyes that cover your eyes fromthe blast of the nuclear
explosion, the radiation from itis so powerful that it'll
actually penetrate the flesh ofyour hands and still blind you.
So looking at it is dangerous.
Looking at it can actually,depending on how far away you
are, can kill you, and we'veseen that with even the stories
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from Hiroshima and Nagasaki thatpeople far away from the
nuclear blast still died justfrom the exposure to it.
So this sounds a lot like that.
I mean, we don't know for sure.
It doesn't say it's a nuclearexplosion, but it kind of has
that similar sort of description.
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So what we're doing here isputting that into the context of
a new story, and that beingthat Sodom and Gomorrah actually
are being destroyed bythermonuclear weapons deployed
by the Anunnaki, the Anunnakibeing this alien race who is
present on Earth at this time inEarth's past.
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So this part of the book isreally not the main story.
This is sort of the fore storyand it kind of sets the tone
about Earth's history, as manyof us know, is told from ancient
astronaut theory, like as wefind from reading Zachariah
Sitchin and Eric Von Danigan.
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So that was a good take on itthere, laurie.
Laurie (27:25):
Yeah, thanks.
And well, as you just heard, Imean, that's what we are asking.
Like, could it be possible thata discussion like this occurred
4,000 plus years ago and wehave these stories that are told
to us, like you said, inGenesis and Earth?
So, you know, with Earth, therehad to have been, you know, a
spaceship or something up above,uh, the, the earth, for it to
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occur, as described in genesis,the whole, you know the whole,
uh, fire and brimstone, likewe've said before.
Like, if god is god, you knowthe capital g, and he's the
omnipotent and ever-presentbeing, and you know, and he
created everything intoexistence by speaking it, why
couldn't he just speak it out ofexistence?
Why does fire and brimstonehave to come down from the
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heavens to destroy these cities?
And the same example is truefor the Tower of Babel story.
I mean, we have the biblicalconversation about God talking
to other gods, about going downto see the tower.
Now, if he's already thisomnipotent being and he's
everywhere present, shouldn't healready seen the tower?
Shouldn't he already know aboutthe tower?
So I mean, what about thatconversation?
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And how, where and when did ittake place?
So we have this type ofsituation arise with a
university professor namedSamuel Crowley, who realizes
that a discovery like this willindeed change the course of
history, and that discovery isthis relic that is of the gods,
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the spaceship.
And then that's when thisdiscovery is connected to
another discovery, which is inRoswell, new Mexico.
Hint, hint.
Now this is where we have theBritish intelligence officers
meeting up with the US Air Forcein an attempt to gain the
secrets of the crashed ships and, of course, a religious group
arises claiming the ship to be aholy vessel of God.
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So you can see where thesimilarities are with how things
unfold today with these typesof discoveries, with how things
unfold today with these types ofdiscoveries and I mean, we
mentioned it just last episodewith the whole Baltic Sea.
Anomaly Like that could verywell be a crashed spaceship at
the bottom of the Baltic Sea,but yet we're not going to know
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about that because the powersthat be will keep that
information from getting out tous.
They're not going to admit that.
That's what it is.
It's similar to how, you know,the Muslims adore the Benben
stone, which is a meteorite, butyou know, they circle around
that thing and they worship it.
And this is how.
This is where we went with thiscabal of or whatever.
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And now we're going to read aportion of a conversation
between the ancient gods.
Well, we just read a portion ofthe ancient gods that led up to
the imminent attack on Sodomand Gomorrah.
But I'm going to read at thegovernor Marduk, which is on
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page 44.
At the Governor Marduk, whichis on page 44.
And soon a human enters andbows on page 46.
Give me a minute here to findpage 44.
Okay, okay.
While Governor Marduk andCommander Alm await the royal
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arrival down on the surface,enki, anu's other son and the
half-brother of Enlil, walks outonto one of the porticoes on
the north wall of the immensepalace in southern Africa.
From there he looks out to thelush mountains that are miles
beyond the jungle, where he seesthe cumbersome machinery moving
about the myriad of mineshafts.
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He is deep in his thoughts forseveral minutes, so much so that
he initially doesn't hear Kenan, one of his advisors, come onto
the portico from the open door.
Lord Inky, lord Inky, sir, herepeatedly said.
Your Highness.
Finally, snapping out of hisdaydream, inky turns around to
see him.
I'm sorry to bother you, mylord, but Abraham has arrived
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and wishes to speak with us.
I believe he may have someimportant information concerning
the incursions.
Inky, who stands at astaggering twelve feet in height
, nods to him.
Yes, I suppose he does, he saidin a sobering tone.
Indeed, said Keegan, thesituation is quite precarious.
You know, enlil will be eagerto find out, to find any reason
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to bring swift and brutalretaliation, and that's why we
need to take a stand and appealto the king's more calculated
nature.
He will hear you out.
You are his son.
He has always shown more favorto Enlil with everything.
Enki grumbled, perhaps, perhaps, but he cannot deny your
greatness, my lord, seeing whatyou have done for the bitterment
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of our mission here.
Without you, there would be nobiogenesis and our gold
productions would be a third ofwhat it is Truly, and it would
be our people who would berevolting against him instead of
the Adamu.
At the very least, he has toglorify me for that.
Enki paused for a few secondsthen said have Abraham meet us
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in my chamber.
I do wish to hear what he hasto say.
The two of them walked throughthe palace and then entered a
large and lavish room, and soona human enters and bows.
Joe (32:44):
We don't want to give away too much of the plot either.
Right, and really the plot isactually pretty complex.
So what we're doing now, thisis when we decided, when we, you
know, we're going to create thestory that we had to have, you
know, something to set the stage, and the ancient alien theory
is what's setting the stage.
So that is what the firstsection of the book is.
What's setting the stage.
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So that is what the firstsection of the book is.
It's setting the stage, andit's this first six chapters, I
believe, is part one, and thatdescribes the alien race, the
Anunnaki, the gods from Nibiru.
We do reference the planetNibiru in that part, but the
real meat of the story comes in.
Part two okay, and that's whenwe meet Professor Dr Samuel
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Crowley.
Okay, and that's when we're inthe year 1947.
So now we're taking on to themain part of the story, and this
is where we wanted to get intothe meaning of it is where
people's desire to know thetruth and our push for discovery
, and that's exactly whathappens here.
A great discovery is made andthis is always something I
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wondered and we even had anepisode about this, uh, a while
ago was about, um, you knowspaceports on earth and the
question was you know, if thisalien race was here, why don't
we see more of their hardware?
Why don't we actually comeacross like a wrecked spacecraft
?
Well, in this novel, that'sexactly what happens.
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They come across a wreckedspacecraft.
Polly and his crew are on a digout in Egypt, to the west of
Cairo, and they come across aspacecraft and it's no doubt a
UFO.
And Bally recognizesimmediately that this shouldn't
be here.
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This is a piece of technologythat just does not belong buried
in the sands of Egypt, wherethe other things that they're
finding are 4,000 years old.
It's just out of place.
So he knows what they found wasa huge discovery that is going
to change our understanding ofarchaeology and human history.
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So, again, we don't want to gettoo much into the plot, we don't
want to give it all away, butthis concurrently happens with
the reference to the Roswellstory.
That's where other protagonistsStephen, who is, like you said,
he's an army officer, he's atRoswell Air Base and now he's
going to investigate the crash.
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Now this really, like I said,this is the one part of the
story where it's based on afactual event, but the details
and the names, the actual layoutof events, that is not the same
.
This is not the officialRoswell story that you're going
to find in here.
This is a fabricated story.
But the only thing that isfactual is the name Roswell and
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the incident that happened there.
So factual is the name Roswelland the incident that happened
there.
Everything else we took theliberty of using our own
imaginations with differentnames, different set of
conversations and everythinglike that, and really the whole
storyline out of that iscompletely changed.
Right, laurie?
Laurie (35:57):
Right, yeah, it is, and well, we'll read.
I guess we'll read a little,just probably a page here, I
think a page or two a referenceto the discovery Right.
Joe (36:14):
Yeah, what Crowley is finding, because this is really
kind of the aha moment.
Laurie (36:25):
This is where he finds the smoking gun that all of us
us, you know want to see.
We want to see the proof, right.
So it begins with on page 108.
Um, I found something, came toshout quickly.
The others helped to brush thedirt off what had been hit.
They stood up in the footamentas they saw an object of similar
color as the other one, butlong and cylindrical in shape,
with tubes and wires coming fromthe side.
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I say it looks like somethingfrom an airplane, like from an
airplane landing gear.
One of them exclaimed.
Crowley's face became flushedand he started to tremble
slightly.
It's not from an airplane, hehothered monotonically.
Not from an airplane.
Then what in God's name is itfrom?
Look, henry said.
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These tubes and wire things goon in this direction.
There's more connected to it.
Crowley scanned the groundsurrounding the nearby dug test
pit with a stiff face.
Keep digging that way, heordered, pointing let's try to
expose more Feverously.
They dig in the direction wherethe tubes and wire run in the
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buried soil and with every fewfeet they come upon similar
objects, all with wires andtubes coming from them.
Soon they hit a large piece,something like a structure.
We have something big here, itseems to be this way.
To the left, someone shouted.
Everyone paused with their eyesaffixed to what was exposed
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from underneath millennia ofsand, which looked like an
aircraft's wing edge.
By now, dusk was approaching andsoon the sun would be sitting.
Crowley pulled out ananchorshift and wiped the sweat
from his brow, staring at thestructure as if in a trance.
He knew there was something bigin the ground, but he knew he
had to be right before tellingthe world.
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And, needing as muchconfirmation as possible, my
friends, he began to speak witha tone of both fear and
invigoration.
We may very well be on thethreshold of history tonight.
What we will soon discover onthis excavation may surpass your
wildest imaginations.
If it is what I believe ittruly is, then the entire course
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of humanity is about to beforever altered.
Every religion known to man hasattempted to connect us with
the gods and their heavenlyrealms.
This will be that veryconnection.
This is not from ancient man ormodern man.
This is from the gods.
Joe (38:51):
Right.
So this part here is sort ofthe foundation.
This is the nexus that joinsthe ancient alien story that is
in part one with the main partof the story, that is in part
one with the main part of thestory.
This is the discovery that getsthe entire thing moving,
because it's based on this thatthe whole story is centered.
And from this point, as theplot continues to move on, we
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see parallel stories betweenSamuel's experience with what
he's finding right now and alsowith Stephen's experience with
the Roswell incident.
They come together.
Essentially, like you saidearlier, the two governments
want these two individuals tobecome part of a team that is
meant to more or less secure theinterests of Western
(39:44):
governments on the claim to thisdiscovery.
And that's sort of what drivesthe, that's the impetus for
everything to get into motion isthat the two governments, the
British government and the USgovernment, realize that
something very important thatwill change the course of human
history has been found and itneeds to be secured.
So it wouldn't be a novel ifthere wasn't some conflict,
(40:06):
right, or some tension.
There has to be an antagonist,and there is an antagonist.
You brought it up before thatcabal.
So this cabal, what do you haveto say about the cabal?
Laurie (40:18):
Yeah, so this cabal is the Brotherhood of the Serapis
and these are an ancient.
They're Gnostics, I believe, ashow we described them, and they
are the ones that are trying tokeep this discovery from
falling into the hands of thegovernment officials.
(40:40):
And this is where it getsviolent, because they are very
religious, very religious totheir core, and they believe
that this ancient ship isactually the ship of God.
So, like I said, it's almostlike you know, we're taking the
story of, like, how they lovethe uh, the Benben stone.
(41:03):
They worship that Um, and nowthis ship that is a relic of the
gods.
They believe that this is anactual uh spaceship, but not
spaceship in our minds.
But they, they can't see pastthe religiousness of this, uh,
of this thing.
And when they see God, thatthis is a vehicle of God, they
don't see past the religiousnessof this, of this thing.
(41:23):
And when they see God that thisis a vehicle of God, they don't
see that it's a vehicle, thatit was made by the gods, the
gods being flesh and blood.
All they see is God, this isfrom God.
So from here, this is where thewhole story takes, you know, a
violent turn, but I can't givemuch detail about that right now
(41:44):
.
Joe (41:45):
So this is the part where there's conflict.
Okay, and the conflict is youhave the team that Stephen and
Samuel are part of, and that isthe practical, scientific
endeavor.
That is the political endeavor,this is the spiritual endeavor,
this cabal of the Brotherhoodof Serapis, and they're closely
(42:08):
associated with the Copticchurch in Egypt.
Coptics are Christians, butthis special group that we're
talking about actuallyincorporates all mythology, not
only Christianity, incorporatesall mythology, not only
Christianity, but also thereligion of ancient Egypt into
the dogma of their belief in God.
(42:29):
So, like you said, this issomething like the Kaaba of
Islam or the Benben stone ofIslam, and it's holy, it comes
from the gods and it's somethingthat is not meant to be
examined or tampered with.
It's something that's meant tobe worshipped and protected, and
that's exactly what they wantto do.
(42:49):
So that's where the tensioncomes in and, yes, it does take
a violent turn.
There are other things thatprelude all this.
They have to make a little sidetrip into British mandate
Palestine before they actuallygo into Egypt.
So, looking back, we actuallymade a pretty complex plot with
(43:13):
a lot of sub stories that goalong with this, and quite a few
characters were introduced inthe telling of this entire novel
, right, oh yeah there.
Laurie (43:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's quite a few.
There's several Britishintelligence agents that joined
you know that joined the questand there's a couple of these
other I don't know what youwould call them.
Joe (43:46):
What's that?
Uh, what's that, uh, europeantype agency?
Oh, yeah, well, given away alot here, but the french
operation committee, um, yeah,that was a real organization
that existed, um, sometime inthe early 20th century.
Uh, it was, it's more or lessan archaeological organization
and they existed to preserve alot of Egypt's heritage and also
(44:10):
to spearhead a lot ofarchaeological excavation.
And, yes, it was European runat the time.
Remember, this is 1947.
We're not're not talking, youknow.
We've tried to write the story,as you know.
What would things be like inthe world in in 1947?
(44:30):
Um, and obviously a lotdifferent.
For instance, uh, in 1947 egypthad a king.
Egypt was a monarchy.
That was before the Islamicrevolution in the 50s with
Nasser.
That's how he became like, arevolutionary.
Egypt is now not a monarchy,but in 1947 it was.
(44:54):
So we had to take that intoconsideration.
We had to do a good bit ofresearch into what was going on
in Egypt and England and theUnited States in 1947.
And it was a little bitdifferent than it is now and,
like we said, we wanted this tobe a trilogy.
So this is supposed to be thefirst book of a trilogy, which
(45:14):
means, yeah, there's two more tocome.
There's two more to come andthe plan is that, with the other
two, that that will bring usmore into a contemporary
timeframe it won't be 1947.
That that would be the firstpart of the trilogy.
The second one would be morelike you know, basically our
(45:36):
current time period of you know,2024, you know and then the
third one would be even furtherin the future.
So it set up a storyline likethat.
So, but right now we were justfocusing on the first book,
which was quite a Herculean task.
Laurie (45:53):
Yeah, and, like I said, I mean we, we really go into
that on how the feelings of lotand his wife and I won't I won't
read it, but if you read itit's pretty emotional Lot seeing
his wife die and theirconversation and him, you know,
trying to get her to not lookback, and we really go into
(46:16):
detail about that.
And then we, you know, sothat's why we wanted to take all
these parts from beginning, ofwhen these gods came and created
the human race and they'rewanting to destroy us and
certain humans were saved andprotected.
And then you know we have otherraces involved, other alien
(46:38):
races involved, and there's abattle going on for humans and
there's secret missions that aregoing on.
And then we lead up into this1947 era and then from there,
you know, we try and show thereligiousness of what's similar
(46:58):
to today and how the religiousmind thinks about certain things
and how it's hard to acceptthese things, such as
discoveries.
If there was a discovery likethis, how would society react if
it actually came to be that we?
(47:18):
It's like in that movie,independence Day, when they they
went down underneath thisbunker and they saw that ship.
Like what if a ship like thatwas discovered and was put on
display for the entire world tosee and that it was full
disclosure.
How would the world react tothat?
And?
But there are powers that bethat keep this stuff behind
(47:40):
closed doors because they don'twant society to see or to know
about this.
And they may have their reasons.
They may be good reasons, theymay be selfish reasons, they may
be, you know, not, goodintentions beyond it, who knows?
But you know, but the next bookis not for the faint of heart
(48:01):
and the it's uh, it's quite thebattles that will be uh, going
on and um, you know, but uh.
Joe (48:09):
So we think that you guys will enjoy the book if you, if
you read it essentially, what wewant to do is take the ancient
astronaut theory and make itinto a novel, make it something
entertaining, and we did did alot of searching on that idea.
We haven't come across anyoneelse who's done this, who's
written a book about ancientastronaut theory and sort of
(48:34):
brought it into.
You know, what would we dotoday if we found out that it
was true?
I think that's the questionthat a lot of us would like to,
you know, find out.
It's like all these episodes ofancient aliens on the history
channel, and you know we've allseen those shows where they
explain the possibility and whatit'll be.
(48:56):
What could, you know, be anexplanation for some of these
stories and mythology and thebiblical narrative?
What if we found the actualpiece that said, hey, it really
did happen.
What would it be like?
And that's what we want thisnovel to be about.
Laurie (49:13):
Yeah, so we hope you check out Battle Planet AD A
Relic of the Gods Right.
Joe Right, we think you'llenjoy Battle Planet AD a relic
of the gods Right.
Joe (49:23):
Joe Right, we think you'll enjoy it and find it very
entertaining, maybe even a bittantalizing.
It is available on Amazon andBarnes Noble.
The paperback is going for what?
$19.99, hardcover $24.99, ande-book $9.99 for both Amazon
Kindle and Barnes Noble Nook.
(49:43):
Again, we're not peddling this.
We're just telling you what theprices are.
We're not trying to.
It's not a sales pitch.
We just want to share ourexperience in writing the book,
because it has been verytime-consuming over the last
five years.
Also, it is not on the shelvesin any bookstore, at least not
(50:04):
yet.
You can only get it online.
So thank you all for thesupport you've given us by
listening to our podcast and,you know, a big thank you to our
lovely wives and our familiesfor the encouragement you've
given us while we were writingthis book and for being there
for us during all the many hoursthat we had to spend on it and
the time that we had to takeaway from other things, like all
(50:26):
the things on the honeydew list.
Can't spray the weeds.
Today, my dear, I'm working onthe book manuscript, but
seriously, you're great and welove you and we couldn't have
done this without you.
Laurie (50:39):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Have done this without you?
Yeah, that's for sure.
So we've heard about how theAmerican government may have
been hiding UFO secrets fordecades, that alien technology
is being researched and reverseengineered out in Area 51.
But could it also be thataliens themselves are a part of
all of it?
(50:59):
There are such stories aboutthat very thing, and one of them
is even said to have a name,and that name is Valiant Thor.
Yes, it is the basis of apopular movie, but it also is
thought by some people to be thename given to a real ET who has
been to the Pentagon and theWhite House.
Joe (51:23):
Yeah, it's a name associated with the Eisenhower
administration.
An alien being who came toEarth near Washington DC
demanded to see the president tospeak about the concerns of his
race, his alien race, about thefuture of our planet, and
supposedly there are old photosof him.
(51:44):
I've seen them.
He looks pretty human and whileit is definitely the story
material of many science fictionbooks and movies by that title
Valiant Thor, there have beensome people claiming to have
worked in the CIA who say he isreal and he is an ET.
So we'll dabble in that alittle bit next time.
Laurie (52:07):
It kind of reminds me of that movie.
Uh, the day the earth stoodstill you know?
Yeah, that came from the sameera 50s yeah, yeah, well, I
wonder if he's still around.
You know, like randomlywandering about the government
facilities.
Joe (52:24):
I think if we had an ET working with the government,
things would actually be runningmore smoothly than they are.
Lister reptilians Joe Welleither way, it could use some
higher intelligence, right.
Laurie (52:37):
Yeah, no kidding.
So yeah, once again, thank youall for tuning in today's
episode and please considergiving our novel a read.
And, uh, we want to know whatyou think, so read it, read it
through and let us know yourthoughts yes, we would
definitely love to know what youthink of the book and, uh, our
podcast show.
Joe (52:57):
And until then, uh, until we're with you again here on
alien talk podcast, stay curiousalways.
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