August 27, 2025 • 52 mins
What if the laws that govern our societies didn't originate on Earth? The foundations of modern civilization rest upon statutes that date to 1754 B.C. in ancient Babylon. The Code of Hammurabi—possibly the oldest discovered legal decree— bears striking similarities to Biblical passages that would emerge centuries later.
Unearthed in Iran 1901 and now housed in the Louvre in Paris, the Code of Hammurabi was inscribed on a basalt stele that depicts the Babylonian god Utu-Shamash bestowing laws upon King Hammurabi—a scene remarkably similar to Moses receiving the Ten Commandments. This ancient legal framework contains 282 laws covering everything from trade and marriage to theft and labor practices, establishing the principle of proportional justice we still use today. When compared with Levitical/Talmudic law and its 613 precepts, the structural similarities suggest a possible common origin.
The Biblical record itself contains fascinating clues pointing to extraterrestrial involvement. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 describes how El Elyon (the Most High) divided nations among his sons, with Israel assigned to Yahweh—hinting at a pantheon of powerful beings rather than a single deity. Ancient Sumerian texts describe humans as "mixed ones," suggesting our genome contains elements from the Anunnaki, advanced beings who allegedly combined their DNA with primitive hominids. This genetic intervention might explain why humans alone among Earth's species have developed complex legal systems—perhaps we inherited this tendency from our cosmic progenitors.
Without laws, our primal nature would likely lead to chaos. As Henry David Thoreau observed, "the savage in man is never quite eradicated." The legal frameworks established by ancient civilizations—whether inspired by gods or aliens—continue to serve as the cornerstone of human progress.
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J (01:01):
Joe
Podcast.
Welcome to our show.
So today we continue ourexploration of the history and
the mythology that has helpedshape our modern Western
societies, as it has been handeddown to us from a place called
the Cradle of Civilization.
As we know, this refers to theMiddle East and the land
spanning from Egypt toMesopotamia to India, and it is
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here that we find what is thelocus of humanity's first major
advancements, one of those beingthe development of law and the
subsequent implementation andenforcement of it through the
rule of law.
This has truly served as thecornerstone for civilization,
since it has shaped the humancondition with a structured
system of codified rules toestablish justice and hence
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modify conduct and behavior.
It gives consequences for notfollowing said rules, and the
earliest system of such codifiedlaw that has so far been
discovered is something calledthe Code of Hammurabi that dates
to around 1754 BC.
Its influence pervades to thisday in the legal and judicial
theories of Western societies,giving a framework for applying
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morality not only within secularworldviews but also religious
ones.
So, it is on a basalt steel onwhich the text is inscribed, and
it was discovered in 1901 nearSusa in Persia, modern-day Iran,
by a French Catholic priestnamed Jean-Vincent Scheil.
It was studied by many scholarsbefore being sent to Louvre in
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Paris, where it remains today,and it has a relief on the top
showing the Babylonian godUthushamish handing the law to
the king Hammurabi, and below itis the script listing all of
the precepts by which hissubjects were to abide, in much
the same way as we find with thestory of Moses and the Ten
Commandments in the Bible.
Unfortunately, we have neverrecovered any tablet inscribed
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with the Ten Commandments thatdate to the time period of Moses
and the Exodus from Egypt.
Laurie (03:02):
Yeah, that's right, Joe.
Of course, the original TenCommandment tablets were
supposed to have been kept inthe Ark of the Covenant, which,
as we know, has never been found.
It's just an assumption thatthose are actually in there.
So, with all that's going on inthe world today, you know, with
the rioting and looting anddestruction of property and the
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breaking of all these laws andthere's no respect for the rule
of law and order, so we feltthat we needed to tackle this
subject today.
So now, the Code of Hammurabithat you're talking about,
possibly the earliest knownlegal code, was established by
King Hammurabi of Babylon wellbefore the time of Moses, and
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that is believed to have beenaround 1100 BC.
It was inscribed upon theSestile in cuneiform and it is a
monumental testament to thesophistication of the Babylonian
Empire.
To the sophistication of theBabylonian Empire Because,
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during his reign, Amorati soughtto unify diverse peoples across
vast lands under one commonlegal framework.
And just like the otherMesopotamian epic stories that
preserve the older Sumeriantradition, like the Atrahasis,
the Enuma Elish, the Epic ofGilgamesh and others.
His code chronicles theexistence of an extensive,
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advanced and highly functionalcivilization that had ascended
as well as diminished beforeeven the time of much of the
biblical narrative.
Now a close examination of itshows how it has been manifested
in the Judeo-Christian dogmasand maybe where the Jews got the
Ten Commandments story from,since they were under Babylonian
captivity and they influencedfor hundreds of years under that
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Babylonian culture.
Now, Hammurabi's Code comprisesof 282 laws covering a broad
spectrum of societal concerns,which include trade, marriage,
theft, injury, damage and evenlabor laws, and you can also.
It's also comparable to a lotof the Levitical laws, and it is
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famously known for itsprinciple of lex talonius, which
is an eye for an eye and atooth for a tooth.
Because this doctrine ofproportion?
Well, this doctrine is aimed toensure that punishments were
commensurate with the crimesthat were committed, and the
laws also reflect a rigid classstructure with distinctions
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between the rights andresponsibilities by Jesus Christ
, of course, and it positsindividual accountability, with
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people being created in theimage of God.
Joe (06:14):
Joe
And these laws were framed byHammurabi as being divine
commands bestowed upon him byhis God from on high, who was
Utu Shamash, much like how theTen Commandments were given to
Moses by God.
And the telling of this kind oforigin elevates the authority
of the law, imbuing it with asacred character that demands
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compliance, not merely out offear of punishment, but as an
act of holy devotion.
Beyond Babylon, the principlesand structure of the Code of
Hammurabi subsequentlyinfluenced many illegal systems
throughout the ancient MiddleEast, as it emphasizes justice,
accountability and a codifiedrule of law, so much in a way
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that profoundly laid thefunctional concepts of
modern-day jurisprudence.
La (07:03):
Laurie
We actually study that in lawenforcement, in police academies
.
They bring law; they teach usthis law.
Where the origin of laws comefrom was from this Code of
Hammurabi.
I've always thought, of course,it was direct from the
Judeo-Christian laws from Mosesand Ten Commandments and such.
But before I retired, I waseven offered to even teach that
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class.
But we've discussed before howhuman laws and human morals are
ethos and virtues being said tohave been passed down to us from
a mighty sky.
Deity may actually refer tothem being taught to us from
encounters with extraterrestrialbeings who arrived here far in
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the distant past.
Are these ancient textsindicative of something like an
alien rule of law imbued upon usfrom another world?
Could Dakota Hammurabi berecording certain rules
necessary for a humanity, a newcivilization, to survive as a
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large society?
Did the Ten Commandments comeinto the Judaic faith at a much
later time, when it was given toMoses by Yahweh on Mount Sinai?
J (08:20):
Joe
all justice systems have thesame sort of core principles to
them, namely to preservefairness and order and power.
Dakota Hammurabi is morecomprehensive, with a rather
long preamble of how the strongshould not be the oppressor to
the weak and that the justice isto provide to orphans and
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widows, which hearkens to manyscriptural passages as well, and
it starts with Hammurabi's longdoxology both to the gods and
to himself for being such apious king.
Part of it is written as, andquoting here when the lofty Anu,
king of the Anunnaki and Bel,lord of heaven and earth, he who
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determines the destiny of theland at that time, anu and Bel
called me Hammurabi, the exaltedprince, the worshipper of the
gods, to cause justice, toprevail in the land, to destroy
the wicked and the evil.
Also, it continues on by sayingwhen Mardul sent me to rule the
people and to bring help to thecountry, I established law and
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justice in the land and promotedthe welfare of the people.
So, he definitely does his fairshare of grandstanding there.
Laurie (09:34):
Yeah, he's quite high up on that high horse.
Joe (09:38):
Indeed, you know he had a big ego.
Laurie (09:40):
Yeah Well, I mean you've heard my reasons why I believe
the Hebrew god Yahweh is thesame character as the Babylonian
god Yudushamish and theSumerian god Enki.
I mean, they are all lawgivers,all the gods are lawgivers in
any culture you go to or youread about, and they are all the
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embodiment of morality andtruth, while having the dominion
of the sun behind them and assuch, all humans are to render
obedience to their authority.
So I mean there is also someresemblance of Yahweh to, you
know, the god Enlil who is?
He's a claim to have separatedthe waters from the earth and
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set the constellations in theirplaces.
He was also a disciplinary God,which is a similar description
to Yahweh.
He could have very well havebeen a centrististic version of
Enki, enlil and Yudushamishbeing seen as a God of justice,
love and mercy, the one who gavethe laws of the righteous and
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the one who dwells up on high inthe heavens with the sun and
all of the celestial spheres.
So this seems to show how theHebrews were greatly influenced
by the Mesopotamian peoples,which can be seen in how Mosaic
law is actually presented in theOld Testament.
In fact, most, if not all, ofthe Judeo-Christian tradition
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finds its legal roots in the wayit is articulated in the Torah,
which is mainly the books ofExodus Levit, viewed as the
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cornerstone of moral imperativesand emphasizes portraying a
contract between God and thepeople of Israel and the
emphasizing of a dual approachto law one that governs external
say you shall not kill.
Sit the external boundaries,others, such as you shall not
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covet those.
Delve into our internalthoughts and desires.
And this spiritual dimension ismeant to instill an ethos by
which we don't just merelyfollow established rules, we
become moral beings.
So these two traditions sharecommonalities in their drive to
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create order and set standardsfor human behavior, ethical
principles and societalgovernance through justice.
But the bigger questions remainhow did these established laws
begin and where did they comefrom?
So, did we form them on our ownas a human civilization, or
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were they given to us fromsomething else?
Or someone else or somethinghigher?
Joe (13:03):
Well, we know that to the ancient Israelites, the legal
system was deeply embedded inreligious practice and the
explanation of where it camefrom was simple it came from
Yahweh, and this is alsosuccinctly put in the New
Testament as well, with IITimothy 3:16 saying, "All
scripture is God-breathed anduseful for teaching, rebuking,
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correcting, entraining inrighteousness and, as you said,
it demands duty to God andfellow human beings.
In terms of absolutes, we seepriests and prophets have played
key roles in the Hebrew Bibleto interpret and enforce what
would become Levitical law, andthat involves the rituals and
sacrifices that were needed toserve as atonements for human
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transgressions.
So the fusion of law and worshipunderpinned a theocratic
society, like in ancient Israel,where divine authority was seen
as the ultimate source ofgovernance, in this case through
the Levites, the priestly tribeof Israel, the priestly tribe
of Israel and much of theframework from the Jewish oral
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tradition.
It is something that iscollectively known as the Talmud
, and it's expanded upon theTorah as a source of legal,
doctrinal and, in some cases,mystical commentaries about the
law from God, and it is the formof Levitical law that more
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closely resembles Hammurabi's,as there are 613 precepts under
Rabbinical Judaism and that kindof is more comparable to the
282 that we find under HammurabiActually there's quite a bit
more under Judaism, just againexpounding and giving commentary
on what we find in the Torahand the Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers and Deuteronomy.
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So, with law, you know, therearen't only these statutes, but
rules of procedure, rules ofevidence and process of
examination, as well aspenalties under a form of
justice.
Laurie (15:01):
Laurie
So we know that the ethicalprinciples from the Bible have
transcended time like profoundlyshaping Western legal and moral
thought, Ideal concepts such asfairness before the law, the
inalienable dignity of a personand the intrinsic righteousness
of the judgment process fromtheir roots in this tradition.
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But upon understanding the Codeof Hammurabi, it is apparent in
its similarities to theJudeo-Christian tradition, with
both relying on the divineprovidence as the source of law
to establish societal orderthrough explicit rules and to
deter wrongdoing throughspecified punishments.
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This theocratic foundation lenttheir respective codes a sense
of immutability and moral weightfrom something higher,
something known in secularphilosophy as natural law.
In other words, the idea of thelaw is perfection of order,
meaning that it can only comefrom God.
Joe (16:08):
And we also see the lengths that Roman law and English
common law go into in definingthe crimes and codifying what
are considered just penalties tobe administered by those who
are in leadership, and people inleadership, under this way of
thinking, are ordained by God.
Of course, freemasonry wenteven further to expound on this
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natural law, as you mentioned,and it deviates somewhat from
the ancient legal codes.
Yet it was theistically andintrinsically centered on the
principles of the rights ofhumans and accountability to the
all-seeing eye of providence.
In other words, it was servingrighteousness, the principle of
righteousness, more so than eventhe person of God, as we see in
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Judaism and Christianity.
So this all-seeing eye ofprovidence is a symbol that has
been incorporated within theidea of the American
Constitutional Republic and itstill is present on our dollar
bill, as we see it on the backof the dollar bill, with the
pyramid and the triangle aboveit, with an eye on it.
That's the all-seeing eye ofprovidence and that is a symbol
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from Freemasonry, the beliefthat has persisted, whether the
law is, and it has gone thatthis belief has persisted
whether or not the law issecular or religious.
So, even though the Code ofHammurabi is primarily designed
to maintain a social order withtransactional and punitive terms
.
It is clearly expressed asbeing divine, its origin is
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considered to be straight fromthe gods, and the tenets of the
Bible take that idea to a higherlevel by combining moral and
spiritual dimensions to this law, addressing actions and ethical
behaviors, and even going sofar as to hold people
accountable for their intentionsand their thoughts, what is in
their hearts.
All of this seems to be a laterdevelopment, as there is a
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textual source that is evenolder than the Code of Hammurabi
, that is less complete, actualsource that is even older than
the Code of Hammurabi, that isless complete.
It's called the Code ofUr-Nammu and it's authored by a
Sumerian king of the same name.
That one dates to around 2000BC, although it is considerably
shorter, and it focuses more onpromoting peace, giving
compensation for wrongdoing moreso than punishments for crime,
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which is what we find in theCode of Hammurabi.
La (18:26):
Laurie
law of the Old Testament as well, with the ideas that are
embedded in these ancientsystems continuing to resonate
in today's legal and ethicaldiscourse.
To resonate in today's legaland ethical discourse, as seen
in Hammurabi's Code, the conceptof proportional justice echoes
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modern fairness principles insentencing.
Similarly, the moralimperatives of the
Judeo-Christian traditionunderpin contemporary notions of
human rights and social justice.
So, the study of the Code ofHammurabi and Judeo-Christian
beliefs system reveals theenduring power of law to shape
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human behavior and societalstructures.
Though rooted in vastlydifferent contexts, these
systems have left indeliblemarks on the legal and moral
thought trajectory.
By examining their origins,principles and legacies, we gain
an appreciation for theirhistorical significance and
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insights into the timeless questfor justice and righteousness.
Joe (19:36):
Joe
So even in a monotheistic faith, authority is never seen as
manifesting.
It's always seen as more thanone form.
It's not in a vacuum.
Regardless of the idea that allearthly power comes from God,
it is never illustrated orexisting in one form.
Human experience clearly showsthat we are subjugated to the
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authority of other people.
Jesus in the New Testament saysthat the rulers of earth exist
to manage the affairs of men.
That says that the rulers ofearth exist to manage the
affairs of men.
He is famously said in Matthew22: 21, that we are to render
unto Caesar that which belongsto Caesar and to God.
What is God's?
Paul the Apostle claims inRomans 13: 1 -14.
He goes on to say that allauthority on earth is instituted
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by God.
Saying that we must allowourselves to subject to the
authority as to the powers thatare ordained by God.
Saying that we must allowourselves to subject to the
authority as to the powers thatare ordained by God, going so
far as to say whoever resistswill receive damnation.
And this is to say that whetherhuman power is corrupt or not,
it is all ordained by God.
That is sort of the Paulineidea for earthly power, and this
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notion of divinity is beingsomewhat of a manifold thing,
something in multiplerepresentations, and it's not
foreign to monotheistic beliefsystems.
So, even though Christianity,islam, judaism believe in one
God, the understanding is thatthe vision of power among the
principalities and governmentsof the world is manifold and
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they're more than one source.
Lau (21:06):
Laurie
people either made all thisstuff up or they did receive it
from some higher power of sometype.
And you know, you've got towonder.
When kings write about thingslike this and establish these
laws and they attribute them tosomebody higher than themselves,
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it makes you wonder, you know,like you know, kings can be
pretty prideful, and for them toactually, you know, say that,
hey, I didn't give you theselaws but our God, yudu Shamish,
did you representing God, butthat they are God, that they
actually are fulfilling thepurpose of God here on earth,
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and we've seen that with manystories of kings throughout
history just immense egos andbelieve that they are divine in
their own right.
Yeah, and going back to whatyou're saying about, you know
the manifold representations,you know and just look at the I
mean all you got to theCanaanites of El-Elyon, or has
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El-Elyon Now, I know a lot ofChristians are.
Probably, if you listen to this, you're probably going to get a
little upset because I justsaid there's somebody, there's a
no, I just this is what we'requoting from what we've learned
from other ancient texts.
So, this El-Elyon is said tohave been given nations as
inheritances to his many sonsand this is how Israel became
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assigned to Yahweh.
And this is in the Bible andthe allusion to this is found in
Deuteronomy 32 (23:04):
8- 9.
And this is what it reads whenthe Most High gave the nations
their inheritance, the Most Highwould be El Elyon here.
When he divided up mankind, heset up boundaries for the people
according to the number of thesons of Israel.
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For the Lord's portion, whichnow Lord, the word Lord in the
Old Testament and the Torah ischanged to it's Lord, but it's
from YHWH, or was it YW, yahweh,yhwh?
Yeah, so this is Yahweh.
He's talking about Yahweh here.
This is he was.
Yahweh was given this portion.
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It's his people, Jacob, hisallotted inheritance, so the
people of Jacob, this is, theIsraelites.
So El-Elyon ordered this to theother gods, and this explains
why Yahweh later proclaimed inthe Ten Commandments you know,
he set up his own set of rulesand laws and he said you shall
not have any other gods beforeme.
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This is reiterated, as wepointed out before, in Psalms
89 (24:11):
6-7.
Now what is this council ofholy ones?
You know when in Christianityit may be regarded as the
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heavenly hosts all of the angelsand saints who reside in heaven.
Yet within the theology of theneighboring people of Israel, a
council of holy ones is exactlywhat we find.
You know, there's a council ofother gods, so could it be that
this verse reflects theirinfluence on Jewish religious
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thought?
Joe (24:56):
Joe
We see a lot of sort of humanattributes here when we talk
about El-E lyon and Yahweh inmuch way we would see in the
mythology, in the pantheon ofthe Greeks and the Romans and
the other ancient cultures.
Now it's interesting to pointout that even Sigmund Freud
expounded on this personalnature about God and the idea of
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God having this kind ofattribute that we're talking
about.
The book he wrote was Moses andMonotheism.
There's also another one calledTotem and Taboo, and according
to what he says in these books,he formulates a concept that
deity and the idea of deitycomes from psychoanalytic theory
and what is called the parentalimago and this is an
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unconscious image, that is, theimpression that fathers and
mothers leave upon our psychesin our early childhood is what
forms the notion of a godlyfigure of course, And he
proposes that later in oursocial and intellectual
development that this imago isreintroduced and retaught as a
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dogma of religion as we get itin, whatever religion we were
indoctrinated with Christianity,Islam, Hinduism, you name it.
Now he claims that the sort ofmoral law and the moral
restriction which he defined aswhat religion is is from where
we form an impression in earlylife and it's handed down to us
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in the form of drives that stemfrom these mental images.
And these images are of aprimordial father and a totem
meal, both of which go far backinto our prehistoric ancestry,
and what they represent in ourunconscious is obedience and
atonement.
And this is how we manifest thepractice of religion, through
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indoctrination that's passed onfrom one generation to another.
So this need for law to becodified and a need for the rule
of law to be properly appliedand enforced is based on this
presumption of our human natureand, of course, it incorporates
our innate and inherent drivesfor wrongdoing, which is more
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commonly known as sin.
So Desmond Morris, who's theauthor of the popular book the
Naked Ape, he once said if weare to understand the nature of
our aggressive urges, we mustsee them against the background
of our animal origins.
And this, I think, is to saythat much of our behavior, much
of our drives, are the same asthat of animals, particularly
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primates.
As much as we don't like tothink about that, we see it
rather prevalently all the timein human behavior, since the
beginning of time right.
Lauri (27:40):
Laurie
Well, the existentialist andnaturalist Henry David Thoreau
once said the savage in man isnever quite eradicated.
So this quote resonates in manyways.
Homo sapiens are a peculiar anddistinctive species.
While we are the same asanimals in many ways, you can't
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deny that we are clearlydifferent in our cognitive
skills and our social behaviors.
We have better brains.
Our genome is quite a mixture,as mentioned in the Sumerian
text, where we are referred toas mixed ones.
We all have found it at somepoint or another to control the
primal nature within each of us,and a lot of this is due to law
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and order.
But when we all have our ownpersonal demons to confront in
various ways and some of us arebetter at it than others Clearly
a serial killer or a rapist ora burglar that can't stop, these
are people that are not good atcontrolling this behavior at
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all.
Joe (28:47):
Right, and without having to go into any kind of deep
lecture on metaethics, I thinkwhat's being said here is that
people have been living by rulesfor quite some time, and when
those rules are broken,something has to be done to make
it right again In the eyes ofthe deities.
That's how we perceive it,that's how we're repentant, or
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the punishment makes us pure,makes us, you know, right again,
kind of like what we call adebt to society.
We make ourselves right byrepenting and being remorseful
for wrongdoing.
So philosophers have went on toexplain that these gods are
figures that are formed withinour unconscious minds, figures
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that are formed within ourunconscious minds, and the
religious beliefs that we carryon today stem from this inner
drive to satisfy not only ourhuman needs, but also as a way
to put our consciousness at ease, to make us come to terms with
ourselves as good individuals.
We have a drive for satisfyingour need, which would be called
sin.
We also have a desire to bemade good and right in the eyes
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of a deity.
In a case of Judeo-Christianity, it is God, the Lord.
Laurie (30:06):
Laurie
And so I mean temptation isnothing more than the urge to
have and do something that'spleasing to you.
So from the moment we wereupgraded from the Homo erectus
into the sensitive skin suits welive in today, we were given
senses to see, touch, taste,smell and hear.
These were the blueprintsimplemented in our design back
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in antiquity Through theSumerian texts.
Enki and the Anunnaki sharethis same DNA.
They imprinted their mark on us, creating us in their image and
likeness by forming theprimitive worker race.
So if you look at Genesis 1.26,we were made to toil in the
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fields and work our way tosurvival with some happiness and
contentment, to assist usprimarily, you know, thanks to
the fallen angels, who, well,you just got to read Enoch 6 and
see all the special things thatthey provided to humanity.
Genesis 2 and 15, you know ourstory has a long history as
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human beings who first had tolearn many things to help us.
Throughout the thousands ofyears since our existence and
since our creation, we have notlooked back.
I mean, we aim for the futureand we fought against each other
and the elements to reach thecivilization we are today.
Unfortunately, we're stillfighting the elements and
fighting each other.
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But as a species we can do muchbetter, and we will.
I mean, I strongly feel that wewill one day reach a
civilization which I hope so,similar to Star Trek, a
crime-free and cashless society,will one day be a reality, one
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day be a reality, and we willbecome a united race of homo
sapiens and strive to reach thestars by discovering a new world
to call home or to better thisone even.
But for now we must deal withwho we are at this current place
in time, and for that we needlaw and order.
I mean, without our establishedlaws and government, I don't
know where we would be as acivilization Without a system of
law and order.
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We would be in some barbaricand primitive condition.
Agree with them or not, lawsare for the betterment of
society because they keep us incheck.
I mean we need law and socialorder because without it society
would regress to that primitivestate.
If indeed there is a federationof planets out there, like in
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Star Trek, then it seems thatthese Anunnaki deities were in
clear violation in how they, youknow, interacted with us.
I mean, who knows, perhaps sucha federation ostracized them
300,000 years ago because they,you know what they did, you know
, jumpstarting our evolution.
Maybe we're not supposed to bewhere we are today, but because
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of them, here we are the Homosapiens that we are right now.
So the question then becomesyou know, would we do the same
for another species as they didfor us?
Well, we find a planet someday,and when we go there and we
find that there is a lessadvanced race but similar in DNA
to us, and we become their godsand we mix our DNA with their
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DNA and create a new species,you know, we will become the
gods of their religions for overtime and time and we will
instill these laws that we havenow in our civilization to that
civilization.
It's pretty deep.
J (33:39):
Joe
and we can see that humans doneed the establishment of
civilization in order to survive.
Anthropologists claim that wealmost became extinct before the
cultivation of agriculture,which was about 10,000 years ago
.
So small groups of people maysurvive for a limited time, but
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it will not be an easy feat.
Living in a free society likeWestern societies is a perfect
example of a civilization on itsway to obtaining outstanding
achievements, and we havecertainly done that over the
centuries.
Living in a country like theUnited States is where you can
pursue a life of happinessbecause of our civilization,
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because of our laws.
Our government has issues andmany negatives, albeit, but
according to our form of.
But there's always room forimprovement, and that's what the
our system of government, whata republic allows for, is
improvement, and possibly abetter one has yet to be
discovered.
La (34:44):
Laurie
evolved since these ancienttimes, some cannot help
themselves from breaking theserules, and I mean a person's
crime will determine thepunishment he or she will
receive as a penalty.
So, just as the Code ofHammurabi and the Mosaic laws
have different punishments foreach crime broken or sin
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committed, so do the modern laws.
And I mean, like, let's take ared light violation does not
carry the same penalty asrunning a red light and crashing
into somebody.
Right, an assault is not asserious as an aggravated assault
, which does not entail the samepunishment as murder or rape.
So I mean, most of us canmaintain our composure while
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some of us commit crimes withoutbeing caught.
But can you imagine a worldwithout this government,
structure, laws and order?
I mean, I'm sure there's somepeople out there.
Yeah, I can imagine a worldwithout government.
Be careful, because if you didhave a world without government,
it's going to take some timebefore we can actually trust
ourselves to you know it's goingto take some time before we can
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actually trust ourselves to youknow we're going to lose a lot
of great things that we havecurrently, that we have because
of government and such.
But it's a frightening thought,in my opinion, to consider while
living in our society today.
So I mean violence, theft,fraud and abuse are everywhere,
even with laws.
Theft, fraud and abuse areeverywhere, even with laws and
with those established laws ofsociety.
What value do they owe if youknow, if there is no one to
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enforce them?
So I mean you can enjoy mealswith friends and family at
restaurants or watch movies intheaters and, thanks to you,
know the police and the wholecriminal justice system as a
whole, and criminals are oftendeterred from committing violent
crimes due to the significantconsequences they face.
Although there are individualsengaged in robbery, murder and
active shootings, the absence oflaws or police to uphold them
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will lead to even more severeproblems and issues if they did
not exist.
Joe (36:47):
Joe
freedom.
And when the United States brokeaway from tyranny under a
monarchy in 1776, it was a moveto perfect the balance between
people's right to freedom andtheir need to be governed.
Unfortunately, our foundingfathers and others after them
did not foresee the kind ofturmoil that our new country
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would experience over thecenturies.
But they did believe that therepublic they formed would
create the most ideal world inwhich morality, reason and
justice would rule its citizens.
And they were around at aperiod called the Enlightenment,
and they were influenced bygreat thinkers like Rene
Descartes, john Locke and DavidHume.
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They studied theJudeo-Christian scriptures and
the Greco-Roman classical worksPlato, aristotle, herodotus,
cicero, seneca and many others.
They believe that the bestwelfare to our existence was a
government that guardedindividual rights that were
endowed by nature, endowed byGod, and we see it in the
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writing of the preamble to theUS Constitution, with we, the
people of the United States, toform a more perfect union,
establish justice, ensuredomestic tranquility, and it
goes on.
It was perhaps their vision ofa perfect future utopia.
La (38:11):
Laurie
dying, literally dying to getinto this country, and you know,
and it's also, you know, evennow, even any type of Western
civilization, europe country,and you know, australian country
, and you know Australian, andyou know, but here in the United
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States it's like there's wejust, you know, south of us,
many people are coming up andtrying to get into this country
and I would like for everybodyto enjoy the freedoms of this
country, of course, legally, ofcourse, but this is what they
were envisioning, that futureutopia, and we could be an even
better utopia.
So back to the scriptures, andthe ancient texts describe us as
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being created in the image ofthese divine beings, god or the
gods, and we see that there arestark similarities in how we
behave and how they are said tobehave.
In how we behave and how theyare said to behave, I mean,
there is jealousy, there isanger, vengeance, sorrow,
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pleasure, etc.
If we, as flesh and bloodbeings, act and conduct
ourselves in these manners, thensurely we would expect the same
characteristics of those fromwhom we were modeled.
And that is precisely what wesee in the traditions of these
divine ones.
The gods are acting like usbecause they are us.
We share the DNA, albeitthey're more advanced, but
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they're flesh and bloodnonetheless, and they behave as
such.
And these laws were given to thechosen human race at the time
by an extraterrestrialcivilization in ancient times by
passing on their laws, which,to the credulous humans, became
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their religion.
And oddly enough, it seems thatthe founding fathers knew this.
They knew that principles areperfect and that flesh and blood
authority is not, so theirthinking was very much immersed
in a philosophy of law andreason that was meant to bring
about the betterment of humanitythrough ideas instead of dogmas
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, even theological dogmas, awareof how religion can be abused
by governments to subject peopleto tyranny.
But they didn't want the beliefin God out of the culture, just
not as a precept for ruling.
Of course we all know this asthe doctrine of separation of
church and state right.
Jo (40:40):
Joe
They established their legalframeworks on this premise that
law is well, it's sacred.
We've recently heard punditssaying that, you know, calling
our democracy and our rule oflaw as being sacred.
To the religious person, it isGod who has given this to
humanity, to his chosen peoplewith righteousness, to maintain
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order within the population.
And to the secular person, lawand justice are the products of
reason and to ensure the pursuitof freedom and liberty and
security.
And regardless of whichperspective as both hold quite a
bit of truth laws andregulations are especially
essential within a society of alarge population.
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It is the highest tangibleauthority to which we answer,
and when someone is told thatthey must or must not do
something, if the explanation isbecause it is the law, then
there is no more debate.
We've seen that many times.
That is the answer it's the law.
It is a sort of transcendentwill of either God, the people
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or both, and to alter the lawtakes an act of such a will, as
we say, is an act of Congress,which is literally what happens.
So you must literally Congressmust change the law.
Without these laws, there'schaos and anarchy, and that
would lead to the breakdown ofpeace and public order and,
consequently, a loss of freedom.
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So we can only pursue, and befree to pursue, liberty and
happiness if we have securityand safety.
So these principles under whichwe live are crucial in
preventing the human race fromdevolving into behavior that is
like that of animals in thejungle.
La (42:22):
Laurie
I mean, I'm sure, if you're areligious person and you're out
there, or you're religiousminded, and you're out there,
like with these Antifa people,and you're thinking you're
supporting a great cause andyou're out there rioting,
looting and criminalizing andvandalizing and you're going
against the order, the orders ofGod, because these laws are
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based on that, as we've beentalking about, so you're
actually going against thatestablishment, the godly
establishment.
And you know, contrary to a lotof your popular beliefs, you
know the government isn't outthere trying to destroy you.
This government isn'toppressing people.
There are so many greatopportunities that people can
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have if they just get up, getthe mindset going and go out
there and live life, and thiscountry is a great place to do
that.
And in 2020, a notable exampleemerged that illustrates the
potential consequences ofabolishing law enforcement
agencies.
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The potential consequences ofabolishing law enforcement
agencies.
So the foundation of afunctioning legal system
necessitates establishing andenforcing laws, and this vital
enforcement role is fulfilled bynone other than police officers
, who have historically beenlikened to vigilant guardians,
akin to the angelic observers ofearly human civilization.
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These officers are entrustedwith maintaining peace and order
in every municipality, stateand county, represented by the
metaphorical thin blue linesymbolizing the fragile boundary
between tranquility and chaos.
And notably, only about two tothree percent of the population
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is qualified to become a policeofficer.
Yet this small minority thinkabout it upholds the rule of law
for approximately about five tosix, maybe more, percent of the
populace.
Other than that, most peopleare pretty law abiding Today's
anarchists.
They don't understand what theyare doing by, you know, wanting
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to overthrow the government ofthe United States.
Like, I had discussions withsome anarchists during my time
on the riot squad and discoveredthat, man, they have a hatred
for this country.
And discovered that, man, theyhave a hatred for this country.
And you know, it has blindedthem to common sense.
Like, first of all, America hasbeen here for hundreds of years
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, long before they existed.
They were born into thiscountry and its laws, or maybe
they migrated, some of them, butwhich had me questioning what's
so important about them thatthey think that they don't have
to abide by American laws.
And if one doesn't like our wayof life, customs and laws, then
they can go through animmigration process and they can
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move to another country.
For the most part, this countryis one of the best for the right
of life, liberty and thepursuit of happiness, as stated
in the Declaration ofIndependence.
So you have the freedom to dowhatever you please, following
the law of course.
But even then there is leniency.
The police are there to keepthe peace and enforce the laws,
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to maintain order, which is tokeep order from turmoil, from
chaos.
If anarchy happened and ourgovernment was overthrown, then
eventually there's going to beanarchists who would want to
rebel against that newly formed,established government.
So they also tend to forgetthat the other countries that
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want to come and invade andoverthrow the country, which
they would not have attempted todo before because it was so
strong, which they would nothave attempted to do before
because it was so strong, youknow so, and plus many, many
amenities that we have nowadays,all that stuff's gone, the
pleasures of life will be gone,you know, just because you
disagree with some laws or youthink you're being oppressed and
that sort of thing.
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So establishing laws forhumanity was a prudent decision
made by the divine, as it servesto maintain order and
discipline.
So human progress relies on theframework of laws and the
enforcement thereof.
Joe (46:37):
You know, I would say, even if you know, if somebody
doesn't like our laws and youdon't have to simply leave the
country, you can also choose tochange it.
I mean, there are processes bywhich laws can be changed.
So we have elections, we havelegislative bodies that bring
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new laws in and repeal old laws,so the republic has a process
by which that can take place.
So, yes, you're right.
Does it simply say I don't likethis law and we're not going to
follow it and we're going toviolently oppose it?
That is not the constitutionalway.
That's not how the foundingfathers envisioned that liberty
and justice would beadministered.
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There is a civil process, apeaceful process, and, yes, you
can always leave the country ifyou don't want to be here.
Anybody can.
But you can also choose to tochange that which you're not
happy with.
If you don't like certainpolicies or laws, you can elect
to have people be put in officethat will make changes, and that
is the democratic process inwhich we live.
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And you know, I think those whocreated us with God or any
mythologies of the past, we talkabout a pantheon of gods they
knew precisely what was neededin order for the species with
consciousness to progress to alevel to become a civilization.
We see this in the mythology ofthe Sumerians and the
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Babylonians.
So, no matter how you look atit, laws, reasonable and just
laws.
Adel Hammurabi is a reasonableand just set of laws and they're
needed for the human race toprogress and they're given so as
to keep us civilized andorderly.
And along with theimplementation is this belief of
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good versus evil, such as withGod, or you're good and the
devil is evil.
So, obeying the laws with God,or you're good and the devil is
evil.
So obeying the laws is to meanthat you are good and breaking
the laws to mean that you arenot.
And this is a very basicprinciple in human nature that
carries on to this very day,fully and completely, in every
sensible and imaginable way ofunderstanding it.
Laurie (48:46):
And that is why there's a scripture verse that says obey
the laws of the land.
So if we are to believe thegods of our religions are flesh
and blood alien beings, then thelaws they gave to us are indeed
extraterrestrial Law plus orderwas to ensure that this human
hybrid race would succeed inruling the planet, and this is
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why kingship was lowered toearth and selected people of
certain blood types and geneticmakeup were chosen to carry the
line of kingship.
Laws descended from the gods tothe human leader, kings to
establish in every society thatwas to come.
So laws were instilled in apopulation for the betterment of
society.
Anyone disobeying these lawswere punished, depending on how
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severe the punishment was, andit had to do with the listed
consequences of each law.
Joe (49:38):
And, as it is, humans are the only species to have
established systems of law andorder, which is what
distinguishes us from theapproximately 9 million other
species of animals that areinhabiting the Earth, and this
is not merely a coincidence.
There are many factorssurrounding our existence that
suggest it is not random.
Homo sapiens have been aroundfor roughly 250,000 to 300,000
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years in the grand scale ofevolution, and there remains
much for us to learn, and intime, like you said, we will
develop the ability to manageour primitive urges and attain a
higher level of consciousness.
L (50:18):
Laurie
Russian-American journalist MaxLerner once said either men will
learn to live like brothers orthey will die like beasts.
So anyway, that concludes ourepisode for today, and I hope
you all enjoyed it andunderstand the importance of law
and order and its role in oursociety and our civilization.
Jo (50:42):
Joe
has popped up in the news andit's made people speculate and
ponder if we aren't going to besoon visited by an alien
spacecraft.
The story that's been makingsome of the headlines is about
3I Atlas, and 3I Atlas issupposedly a comet that is in
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orbit and it's getting closertowards what's called the
perihelion.
It's the closest point in itsorbit around the sun.
However, there are some expertswho are saying that it is not a
usual comet, isn't that right,laurie?
Lau (51:18):
Laurie
According to a Harvardprofessor, Avi Loeb, who I mean
he thinks this may be an alienspaceship, and I mean he brought
this up before with the othertwo, you know, space rock
visitors that came through,we're going to discuss the
details of this and its relationto the to these previous two
visitors, Oumuamua and Borisovand you know we're the first two
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just intelligence probes likescouts, and this third one, eye
atlas, the mother ship itself,maybe right, I don't know, we'll
see what they're saying weshould be finding out before the
end of this year, so I guesswe'll have to wait and see.
Joe (51:59):
Until then, folks stay safe , stay peaceful and, most of all
, stay curious.
Joe
Podcast.
Welcome to our show.
So today we continue ourexploration of the history and
the mythology that has helpedshape our modern Western
societies, as it has been handeddown to us from a place called
the Cradle of Civilization.
As we know, this refers to theMiddle East and the land
spanning from Egypt toMesopotamia to India, and it is
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here that we find what is thelocus of humanity's first major
advancements, one of those beingthe development of law and the
subsequent implementation andenforcement of it through the
rule of law.
This has truly served as thecornerstone for civilization,
since it has shaped the humancondition with a structured
system of codified rules toestablish justice and hence
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modify conduct and behavior.
It gives consequences for notfollowing said rules, and the
earliest system of such codifiedlaw that has so far been
discovered is something calledthe Code of Hammurabi that dates
to around 1754 BC.
Its influence pervades to thisday in the legal and judicial
theories of Western societies,giving a framework for applying
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morality not only within secularworldviews but also religious
ones.
So, it is on a basalt steel onwhich the text is inscribed, and
it was discovered in 1901 nearSusa in Persia, modern-day Iran,
by a French Catholic priestnamed Jean-Vincent Scheil.
It was studied by many scholarsbefore being sent to Louvre in
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Paris, where it remains today,and it has a relief on the top
showing the Babylonian godUthushamish handing the law to
the king Hammurabi, and below itis the script listing all of
the precepts by which hissubjects were to abide, in much
the same way as we find with thestory of Moses and the Ten
Commandments in the Bible.
Unfortunately, we have neverrecovered any tablet inscribed
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with the Ten Commandments thatdate to the time period of Moses
and the Exodus from Egypt.
Laurie (03:02):
Yeah, that's right, Joe.
Of course, the original TenCommandment tablets were
supposed to have been kept inthe Ark of the Covenant, which,
as we know, has never been found.
It's just an assumption thatthose are actually in there.
So, with all that's going on inthe world today, you know, with
the rioting and looting anddestruction of property and the
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breaking of all these laws andthere's no respect for the rule
of law and order, so we feltthat we needed to tackle this
subject today.
So now, the Code of Hammurabithat you're talking about,
possibly the earliest knownlegal code, was established by
King Hammurabi of Babylon wellbefore the time of Moses, and
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that is believed to have beenaround 1100 BC.
It was inscribed upon theSestile in cuneiform and it is a
monumental testament to thesophistication of the Babylonian
Empire.
To the sophistication of theBabylonian Empire Because,
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during his reign, Amorati soughtto unify diverse peoples across
vast lands under one commonlegal framework.
And just like the otherMesopotamian epic stories that
preserve the older Sumeriantradition, like the Atrahasis,
the Enuma Elish, the Epic ofGilgamesh and others.
His code chronicles theexistence of an extensive,
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advanced and highly functionalcivilization that had ascended
as well as diminished beforeeven the time of much of the
biblical narrative.
Now a close examination of itshows how it has been manifested
in the Judeo-Christian dogmasand maybe where the Jews got the
Ten Commandments story from,since they were under Babylonian
captivity and they influencedfor hundreds of years under that
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Babylonian culture.
Now, Hammurabi's Code comprisesof 282 laws covering a broad
spectrum of societal concerns,which include trade, marriage,
theft, injury, damage and evenlabor laws, and you can also.
It's also comparable to a lotof the Levitical laws, and it is
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famously known for itsprinciple of lex talonius, which
is an eye for an eye and atooth for a tooth.
Because this doctrine ofproportion?
Well, this doctrine is aimed toensure that punishments were
commensurate with the crimesthat were committed, and the
laws also reflect a rigid classstructure with distinctions
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between the rights andresponsibilities by Jesus Christ
, of course, and it positsindividual accountability, with
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people being created in theimage of God.
Joe (06:14):
Joe
And these laws were framed byHammurabi as being divine
commands bestowed upon him byhis God from on high, who was
Utu Shamash, much like how theTen Commandments were given to
Moses by God.
And the telling of this kind oforigin elevates the authority
of the law, imbuing it with asacred character that demands
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compliance, not merely out offear of punishment, but as an
act of holy devotion.
Beyond Babylon, the principlesand structure of the Code of
Hammurabi subsequentlyinfluenced many illegal systems
throughout the ancient MiddleEast, as it emphasizes justice,
accountability and a codifiedrule of law, so much in a way
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that profoundly laid thefunctional concepts of
modern-day jurisprudence.
La (07:03):
Laurie
We actually study that in lawenforcement, in police academies
.
They bring law; they teach usthis law.
Where the origin of laws comefrom was from this Code of
Hammurabi.
I've always thought, of course,it was direct from the
Judeo-Christian laws from Mosesand Ten Commandments and such.
But before I retired, I waseven offered to even teach that
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class.
But we've discussed before howhuman laws and human morals are
ethos and virtues being said tohave been passed down to us from
a mighty sky.
Deity may actually refer tothem being taught to us from
encounters with extraterrestrialbeings who arrived here far in
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the distant past.
Are these ancient textsindicative of something like an
alien rule of law imbued upon usfrom another world?
Could Dakota Hammurabi berecording certain rules
necessary for a humanity, a newcivilization, to survive as a
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large society?
Did the Ten Commandments comeinto the Judaic faith at a much
later time, when it was given toMoses by Yahweh on Mount Sinai?
J (08:20):
Joe
all justice systems have thesame sort of core principles to
them, namely to preservefairness and order and power.
Dakota Hammurabi is morecomprehensive, with a rather
long preamble of how the strongshould not be the oppressor to
the weak and that the justice isto provide to orphans and
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widows, which hearkens to manyscriptural passages as well, and
it starts with Hammurabi's longdoxology both to the gods and
to himself for being such apious king.
Part of it is written as, andquoting here when the lofty Anu,
king of the Anunnaki and Bel,lord of heaven and earth, he who
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determines the destiny of theland at that time, anu and Bel
called me Hammurabi, the exaltedprince, the worshipper of the
gods, to cause justice, toprevail in the land, to destroy
the wicked and the evil.
Also, it continues on by sayingwhen Mardul sent me to rule the
people and to bring help to thecountry, I established law and
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justice in the land and promotedthe welfare of the people.
So, he definitely does his fairshare of grandstanding there.
Laurie (09:34):
Yeah, he's quite high up on that high horse.
Joe (09:38):
Indeed, you know he had a big ego.
Laurie (09:40):
Yeah Well, I mean you've heard my reasons why I believe
the Hebrew god Yahweh is thesame character as the Babylonian
god Yudushamish and theSumerian god Enki.
I mean, they are all lawgivers,all the gods are lawgivers in
any culture you go to or youread about, and they are all the
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embodiment of morality andtruth, while having the dominion
of the sun behind them and assuch, all humans are to render
obedience to their authority.
So I mean there is also someresemblance of Yahweh to, you
know, the god Enlil who is?
He's a claim to have separatedthe waters from the earth and
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set the constellations in theirplaces.
He was also a disciplinary God,which is a similar description
to Yahweh.
He could have very well havebeen a centrististic version of
Enki, enlil and Yudushamishbeing seen as a God of justice,
love and mercy, the one who gavethe laws of the righteous and
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the one who dwells up on high inthe heavens with the sun and
all of the celestial spheres.
So this seems to show how theHebrews were greatly influenced
by the Mesopotamian peoples,which can be seen in how Mosaic
law is actually presented in theOld Testament.
In fact, most, if not all, ofthe Judeo-Christian tradition
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finds its legal roots in the wayit is articulated in the Torah,
which is mainly the books ofExodus Levit, viewed as the
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cornerstone of moral imperativesand emphasizes portraying a
contract between God and thepeople of Israel and the
emphasizing of a dual approachto law one that governs external
say you shall not kill.
Sit the external boundaries,others, such as you shall not
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covet those.
Delve into our internalthoughts and desires.
And this spiritual dimension ismeant to instill an ethos by
which we don't just merelyfollow established rules, we
become moral beings.
So these two traditions sharecommonalities in their drive to
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create order and set standardsfor human behavior, ethical
principles and societalgovernance through justice.
But the bigger questions remainhow did these established laws
begin and where did they comefrom?
So, did we form them on our ownas a human civilization, or
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were they given to us fromsomething else?
Or someone else or somethinghigher?
Joe (13:03):
Well, we know that to the ancient Israelites, the legal
system was deeply embedded inreligious practice and the
explanation of where it camefrom was simple it came from
Yahweh, and this is alsosuccinctly put in the New
Testament as well, with IITimothy 3:16 saying, "All
scripture is God-breathed anduseful for teaching, rebuking,
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correcting, entraining inrighteousness and, as you said,
it demands duty to God andfellow human beings.
In terms of absolutes, we seepriests and prophets have played
key roles in the Hebrew Bibleto interpret and enforce what
would become Levitical law, andthat involves the rituals and
sacrifices that were needed toserve as atonements for human
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transgressions.
So the fusion of law and worshipunderpinned a theocratic
society, like in ancient Israel,where divine authority was seen
as the ultimate source ofgovernance, in this case through
the Levites, the priestly tribeof Israel, the priestly tribe
of Israel and much of theframework from the Jewish oral
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tradition.
It is something that iscollectively known as the Talmud
, and it's expanded upon theTorah as a source of legal,
doctrinal and, in some cases,mystical commentaries about the
law from God, and it is the formof Levitical law that more
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closely resembles Hammurabi's,as there are 613 precepts under
Rabbinical Judaism and that kindof is more comparable to the
282 that we find under HammurabiActually there's quite a bit
more under Judaism, just againexpounding and giving commentary
on what we find in the Torahand the Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers and Deuteronomy.
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So, with law, you know, therearen't only these statutes, but
rules of procedure, rules ofevidence and process of
examination, as well aspenalties under a form of
justice.
Laurie (15:01):
Laurie
So we know that the ethicalprinciples from the Bible have
transcended time like profoundlyshaping Western legal and moral
thought, Ideal concepts such asfairness before the law, the
inalienable dignity of a personand the intrinsic righteousness
of the judgment process fromtheir roots in this tradition.
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But upon understanding the Codeof Hammurabi, it is apparent in
its similarities to theJudeo-Christian tradition, with
both relying on the divineprovidence as the source of law
to establish societal orderthrough explicit rules and to
deter wrongdoing throughspecified punishments.
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This theocratic foundation lenttheir respective codes a sense
of immutability and moral weightfrom something higher,
something known in secularphilosophy as natural law.
In other words, the idea of thelaw is perfection of order,
meaning that it can only comefrom God.
Joe (16:08):
And we also see the lengths that Roman law and English
common law go into in definingthe crimes and codifying what
are considered just penalties tobe administered by those who
are in leadership, and people inleadership, under this way of
thinking, are ordained by God.
Of course, freemasonry wenteven further to expound on this
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natural law, as you mentioned,and it deviates somewhat from
the ancient legal codes.
Yet it was theistically andintrinsically centered on the
principles of the rights ofhumans and accountability to the
all-seeing eye of providence.
In other words, it was servingrighteousness, the principle of
righteousness, more so than eventhe person of God, as we see in
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Judaism and Christianity.
So this all-seeing eye ofprovidence is a symbol that has
been incorporated within theidea of the American
Constitutional Republic and itstill is present on our dollar
bill, as we see it on the backof the dollar bill, with the
pyramid and the triangle aboveit, with an eye on it.
That's the all-seeing eye ofprovidence and that is a symbol
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from Freemasonry, the beliefthat has persisted, whether the
law is, and it has gone thatthis belief has persisted
whether or not the law issecular or religious.
So, even though the Code ofHammurabi is primarily designed
to maintain a social order withtransactional and punitive terms
.
It is clearly expressed asbeing divine, its origin is
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considered to be straight fromthe gods, and the tenets of the
Bible take that idea to a higherlevel by combining moral and
spiritual dimensions to this law, addressing actions and ethical
behaviors, and even going sofar as to hold people
accountable for their intentionsand their thoughts, what is in
their hearts.
All of this seems to be a laterdevelopment, as there is a
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textual source that is evenolder than the Code of Hammurabi
, that is less complete, actualsource that is even older than
the Code of Hammurabi, that isless complete.
It's called the Code ofUr-Nammu and it's authored by a
Sumerian king of the same name.
That one dates to around 2000BC, although it is considerably
shorter, and it focuses more onpromoting peace, giving
compensation for wrongdoing moreso than punishments for crime,
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which is what we find in theCode of Hammurabi.
La (18:26):
Laurie
law of the Old Testament as well, with the ideas that are
embedded in these ancientsystems continuing to resonate
in today's legal and ethicaldiscourse.
To resonate in today's legaland ethical discourse, as seen
in Hammurabi's Code, the conceptof proportional justice echoes
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modern fairness principles insentencing.
Similarly, the moralimperatives of the
Judeo-Christian traditionunderpin contemporary notions of
human rights and social justice.
So, the study of the Code ofHammurabi and Judeo-Christian
beliefs system reveals theenduring power of law to shape
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human behavior and societalstructures.
Though rooted in vastlydifferent contexts, these
systems have left indeliblemarks on the legal and moral
thought trajectory.
By examining their origins,principles and legacies, we gain
an appreciation for theirhistorical significance and
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insights into the timeless questfor justice and righteousness.
Joe (19:36):
Joe
So even in a monotheistic faith, authority is never seen as
manifesting.
It's always seen as more thanone form.
It's not in a vacuum.
Regardless of the idea that allearthly power comes from God,
it is never illustrated orexisting in one form.
Human experience clearly showsthat we are subjugated to the
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authority of other people.
Jesus in the New Testament saysthat the rulers of earth exist
to manage the affairs of men.
That says that the rulers ofearth exist to manage the
affairs of men.
He is famously said in Matthew22: 21, that we are to render
unto Caesar that which belongsto Caesar and to God.
What is God's?
Paul the Apostle claims inRomans 13: 1 -14.
He goes on to say that allauthority on earth is instituted
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by God.
Saying that we must allowourselves to subject to the
authority as to the powers thatare ordained by God.
Saying that we must allowourselves to subject to the
authority as to the powers thatare ordained by God, going so
far as to say whoever resistswill receive damnation.
And this is to say that whetherhuman power is corrupt or not,
it is all ordained by God.
That is sort of the Paulineidea for earthly power, and this
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notion of divinity is beingsomewhat of a manifold thing,
something in multiplerepresentations, and it's not
foreign to monotheistic beliefsystems.
So, even though Christianity,islam, judaism believe in one
God, the understanding is thatthe vision of power among the
principalities and governmentsof the world is manifold and
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they're more than one source.
Lau (21:06):
Laurie
people either made all thisstuff up or they did receive it
from some higher power of sometype.
And you know, you've got towonder.
When kings write about thingslike this and establish these
laws and they attribute them tosomebody higher than themselves,
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it makes you wonder, you know,like you know, kings can be
pretty prideful, and for them toactually, you know, say that,
hey, I didn't give you theselaws but our God, yudu Shamish,
did you representing God, butthat they are God, that they
actually are fulfilling thepurpose of God here on earth,
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and we've seen that with manystories of kings throughout
history just immense egos andbelieve that they are divine in
their own right.
Yeah, and going back to whatyou're saying about, you know
the manifold representations,you know and just look at the I
mean all you got to theCanaanites of El-Elyon, or has
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El-Elyon Now, I know a lot ofChristians are.
Probably, if you listen to this, you're probably going to get a
little upset because I justsaid there's somebody, there's a
no, I just this is what we'requoting from what we've learned
from other ancient texts.
So, this El-Elyon is said tohave been given nations as
inheritances to his many sonsand this is how Israel became
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assigned to Yahweh.
And this is in the Bible andthe allusion to this is found in
Deuteronomy 32 (23:04):
8- 9.
And this is what it reads whenthe Most High gave the nations
their inheritance, the Most Highwould be El Elyon here.
When he divided up mankind, heset up boundaries for the people
according to the number of thesons of Israel.
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For the Lord's portion, whichnow Lord, the word Lord in the
Old Testament and the Torah ischanged to it's Lord, but it's
from YHWH, or was it YW, yahweh,yhwh?
Yeah, so this is Yahweh.
He's talking about Yahweh here.
This is he was.
Yahweh was given this portion.
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It's his people, Jacob, hisallotted inheritance, so the
people of Jacob, this is, theIsraelites.
So El-Elyon ordered this to theother gods, and this explains
why Yahweh later proclaimed inthe Ten Commandments you know,
he set up his own set of rulesand laws and he said you shall
not have any other gods beforeme.
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This is reiterated, as wepointed out before, in Psalms
89 (24:11):
6-7.
Now what is this council ofholy ones?
You know when in Christianityit may be regarded as the
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heavenly hosts all of the angelsand saints who reside in heaven.
Yet within the theology of theneighboring people of Israel, a
council of holy ones is exactlywhat we find.
You know, there's a council ofother gods, so could it be that
this verse reflects theirinfluence on Jewish religious
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thought?
Joe (24:56):
Joe
We see a lot of sort of humanattributes here when we talk
about El-E lyon and Yahweh inmuch way we would see in the
mythology, in the pantheon ofthe Greeks and the Romans and
the other ancient cultures.
Now it's interesting to pointout that even Sigmund Freud
expounded on this personalnature about God and the idea of
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God having this kind ofattribute that we're talking
about.
The book he wrote was Moses andMonotheism.
There's also another one calledTotem and Taboo, and according
to what he says in these books,he formulates a concept that
deity and the idea of deitycomes from psychoanalytic theory
and what is called the parentalimago and this is an
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unconscious image, that is, theimpression that fathers and
mothers leave upon our psychesin our early childhood is what
forms the notion of a godlyfigure of course, And he
proposes that later in oursocial and intellectual
development that this imago isreintroduced and retaught as a
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dogma of religion as we get itin, whatever religion we were
indoctrinated with Christianity,Islam, Hinduism, you name it.
Now he claims that the sort ofmoral law and the moral
restriction which he defined aswhat religion is is from where
we form an impression in earlylife and it's handed down to us
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in the form of drives that stemfrom these mental images.
And these images are of aprimordial father and a totem
meal, both of which go far backinto our prehistoric ancestry,
and what they represent in ourunconscious is obedience and
atonement.
And this is how we manifest thepractice of religion, through
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indoctrination that's passed onfrom one generation to another.
So this need for law to becodified and a need for the rule
of law to be properly appliedand enforced is based on this
presumption of our human natureand, of course, it incorporates
our innate and inherent drivesfor wrongdoing, which is more
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commonly known as sin.
So Desmond Morris, who's theauthor of the popular book the
Naked Ape, he once said if weare to understand the nature of
our aggressive urges, we mustsee them against the background
of our animal origins.
And this, I think, is to saythat much of our behavior, much
of our drives, are the same asthat of animals, particularly
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primates.
As much as we don't like tothink about that, we see it
rather prevalently all the timein human behavior, since the
beginning of time right.
Lauri (27:40):
Laurie
Well, the existentialist andnaturalist Henry David Thoreau
once said the savage in man isnever quite eradicated.
So this quote resonates in manyways.
Homo sapiens are a peculiar anddistinctive species.
While we are the same asanimals in many ways, you can't
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deny that we are clearlydifferent in our cognitive
skills and our social behaviors.
We have better brains.
Our genome is quite a mixture,as mentioned in the Sumerian
text, where we are referred toas mixed ones.
We all have found it at somepoint or another to control the
primal nature within each of us,and a lot of this is due to law
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and order.
But when we all have our ownpersonal demons to confront in
various ways and some of us arebetter at it than others Clearly
a serial killer or a rapist ora burglar that can't stop, these
are people that are not good atcontrolling this behavior at
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all.
Joe (28:47):
Right, and without having to go into any kind of deep
lecture on metaethics, I thinkwhat's being said here is that
people have been living by rulesfor quite some time, and when
those rules are broken,something has to be done to make
it right again In the eyes ofthe deities.
That's how we perceive it,that's how we're repentant, or
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the punishment makes us pure,makes us, you know, right again,
kind of like what we call adebt to society.
We make ourselves right byrepenting and being remorseful
for wrongdoing.
So philosophers have went on toexplain that these gods are
figures that are formed withinour unconscious minds, figures
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that are formed within ourunconscious minds, and the
religious beliefs that we carryon today stem from this inner
drive to satisfy not only ourhuman needs, but also as a way
to put our consciousness at ease, to make us come to terms with
ourselves as good individuals.
We have a drive for satisfyingour need, which would be called
sin.
We also have a desire to bemade good and right in the eyes
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of a deity.
In a case of Judeo-Christianity, it is God, the Lord.
Laurie (30:06):
Laurie
And so I mean temptation isnothing more than the urge to
have and do something that'spleasing to you.
So from the moment we wereupgraded from the Homo erectus
into the sensitive skin suits welive in today, we were given
senses to see, touch, taste,smell and hear.
These were the blueprintsimplemented in our design back
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in antiquity Through theSumerian texts.
Enki and the Anunnaki sharethis same DNA.
They imprinted their mark on us, creating us in their image and
likeness by forming theprimitive worker race.
So if you look at Genesis 1.26,we were made to toil in the
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fields and work our way tosurvival with some happiness and
contentment, to assist usprimarily, you know, thanks to
the fallen angels, who, well,you just got to read Enoch 6 and
see all the special things thatthey provided to humanity.
Genesis 2 and 15, you know ourstory has a long history as
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human beings who first had tolearn many things to help us.
Throughout the thousands ofyears since our existence and
since our creation, we have notlooked back.
I mean, we aim for the futureand we fought against each other
and the elements to reach thecivilization we are today.
Unfortunately, we're stillfighting the elements and
fighting each other.
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But as a species we can do muchbetter, and we will.
I mean, I strongly feel that wewill one day reach a
civilization which I hope so,similar to Star Trek, a
crime-free and cashless society,will one day be a reality, one
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day be a reality, and we willbecome a united race of homo
sapiens and strive to reach thestars by discovering a new world
to call home or to better thisone even.
But for now we must deal withwho we are at this current place
in time, and for that we needlaw and order.
I mean, without our establishedlaws and government, I don't
know where we would be as acivilization Without a system of
law and order.
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We would be in some barbaricand primitive condition.
Agree with them or not, lawsare for the betterment of
society because they keep us incheck.
I mean we need law and socialorder because without it society
would regress to that primitivestate.
If indeed there is a federationof planets out there, like in
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Star Trek, then it seems thatthese Anunnaki deities were in
clear violation in how they, youknow, interacted with us.
I mean, who knows, perhaps sucha federation ostracized them
300,000 years ago because they,you know what they did, you know
, jumpstarting our evolution.
Maybe we're not supposed to bewhere we are today, but because
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of them, here we are the Homosapiens that we are right now.
So the question then becomesyou know, would we do the same
for another species as they didfor us?
Well, we find a planet someday,and when we go there and we
find that there is a lessadvanced race but similar in DNA
to us, and we become their godsand we mix our DNA with their
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DNA and create a new species,you know, we will become the
gods of their religions for overtime and time and we will
instill these laws that we havenow in our civilization to that
civilization.
It's pretty deep.
J (33:39):
Joe
and we can see that humans doneed the establishment of
civilization in order to survive.
Anthropologists claim that wealmost became extinct before the
cultivation of agriculture,which was about 10,000 years ago
.
So small groups of people maysurvive for a limited time, but
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it will not be an easy feat.
Living in a free society likeWestern societies is a perfect
example of a civilization on itsway to obtaining outstanding
achievements, and we havecertainly done that over the
centuries.
Living in a country like theUnited States is where you can
pursue a life of happinessbecause of our civilization,
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because of our laws.
Our government has issues andmany negatives, albeit, but
according to our form of.
But there's always room forimprovement, and that's what the
our system of government, whata republic allows for, is
improvement, and possibly abetter one has yet to be
discovered.
La (34:44):
Laurie
evolved since these ancienttimes, some cannot help
themselves from breaking theserules, and I mean a person's
crime will determine thepunishment he or she will
receive as a penalty.
So, just as the Code ofHammurabi and the Mosaic laws
have different punishments foreach crime broken or sin
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committed, so do the modern laws.
And I mean, like, let's take ared light violation does not
carry the same penalty asrunning a red light and crashing
into somebody.
Right, an assault is not asserious as an aggravated assault
, which does not entail the samepunishment as murder or rape.
So I mean, most of us canmaintain our composure while
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some of us commit crimes withoutbeing caught.
But can you imagine a worldwithout this government,
structure, laws and order?
I mean, I'm sure there's somepeople out there.
Yeah, I can imagine a worldwithout government.
Be careful, because if you didhave a world without government,
it's going to take some timebefore we can actually trust
ourselves to you know it's goingto take some time before we can
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actually trust ourselves to youknow we're going to lose a lot
of great things that we havecurrently, that we have because
of government and such.
But it's a frightening thought,in my opinion, to consider while
living in our society today.
So I mean violence, theft,fraud and abuse are everywhere,
even with laws.
Theft, fraud and abuse areeverywhere, even with laws and
with those established laws ofsociety.
What value do they owe if youknow, if there is no one to
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enforce them?
So I mean you can enjoy mealswith friends and family at
restaurants or watch movies intheaters and, thanks to you,
know the police and the wholecriminal justice system as a
whole, and criminals are oftendeterred from committing violent
crimes due to the significantconsequences they face.
Although there are individualsengaged in robbery, murder and
active shootings, the absence oflaws or police to uphold them
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will lead to even more severeproblems and issues if they did
not exist.
Joe (36:47):
Joe
freedom.
And when the United States brokeaway from tyranny under a
monarchy in 1776, it was a moveto perfect the balance between
people's right to freedom andtheir need to be governed.
Unfortunately, our foundingfathers and others after them
did not foresee the kind ofturmoil that our new country
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would experience over thecenturies.
But they did believe that therepublic they formed would
create the most ideal world inwhich morality, reason and
justice would rule its citizens.
And they were around at aperiod called the Enlightenment,
and they were influenced bygreat thinkers like Rene
Descartes, john Locke and DavidHume.
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They studied theJudeo-Christian scriptures and
the Greco-Roman classical worksPlato, aristotle, herodotus,
cicero, seneca and many others.
They believe that the bestwelfare to our existence was a
government that guardedindividual rights that were
endowed by nature, endowed byGod, and we see it in the
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writing of the preamble to theUS Constitution, with we, the
people of the United States, toform a more perfect union,
establish justice, ensuredomestic tranquility, and it
goes on.
It was perhaps their vision ofa perfect future utopia.
La (38:11):
Laurie
dying, literally dying to getinto this country, and you know,
and it's also, you know, evennow, even any type of Western
civilization, europe country,and you know, australian country
, and you know Australian, andyou know, but here in the United
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States it's like there's wejust, you know, south of us,
many people are coming up andtrying to get into this country
and I would like for everybodyto enjoy the freedoms of this
country, of course, legally, ofcourse, but this is what they
were envisioning, that futureutopia, and we could be an even
better utopia.
So back to the scriptures, andthe ancient texts describe us as
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being created in the image ofthese divine beings, god or the
gods, and we see that there arestark similarities in how we
behave and how they are said tobehave.
In how we behave and how theyare said to behave, I mean,
there is jealousy, there isanger, vengeance, sorrow,
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pleasure, etc.
If we, as flesh and bloodbeings, act and conduct
ourselves in these manners, thensurely we would expect the same
characteristics of those fromwhom we were modeled.
And that is precisely what wesee in the traditions of these
divine ones.
The gods are acting like usbecause they are us.
We share the DNA, albeitthey're more advanced, but
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they're flesh and bloodnonetheless, and they behave as
such.
And these laws were given to thechosen human race at the time
by an extraterrestrialcivilization in ancient times by
passing on their laws, which,to the credulous humans, became
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their religion.
And oddly enough, it seems thatthe founding fathers knew this.
They knew that principles areperfect and that flesh and blood
authority is not, so theirthinking was very much immersed
in a philosophy of law andreason that was meant to bring
about the betterment of humanitythrough ideas instead of dogmas
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, even theological dogmas, awareof how religion can be abused
by governments to subject peopleto tyranny.
But they didn't want the beliefin God out of the culture, just
not as a precept for ruling.
Of course we all know this asthe doctrine of separation of
church and state right.
Jo (40:40):
Joe
They established their legalframeworks on this premise that
law is well, it's sacred.
We've recently heard punditssaying that, you know, calling
our democracy and our rule oflaw as being sacred.
To the religious person, it isGod who has given this to
humanity, to his chosen peoplewith righteousness, to maintain
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order within the population.
And to the secular person, lawand justice are the products of
reason and to ensure the pursuitof freedom and liberty and
security.
And regardless of whichperspective as both hold quite a
bit of truth laws andregulations are especially
essential within a society of alarge population.
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It is the highest tangibleauthority to which we answer,
and when someone is told thatthey must or must not do
something, if the explanation isbecause it is the law, then
there is no more debate.
We've seen that many times.
That is the answer it's the law.
It is a sort of transcendentwill of either God, the people
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or both, and to alter the lawtakes an act of such a will, as
we say, is an act of Congress,which is literally what happens.
So you must literally Congressmust change the law.
Without these laws, there'schaos and anarchy, and that
would lead to the breakdown ofpeace and public order and,
consequently, a loss of freedom.
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So we can only pursue, and befree to pursue, liberty and
happiness if we have securityand safety.
So these principles under whichwe live are crucial in
preventing the human race fromdevolving into behavior that is
like that of animals in thejungle.
La (42:22):
Laurie
I mean, I'm sure, if you're areligious person and you're out
there, or you're religiousminded, and you're out there,
like with these Antifa people,and you're thinking you're
supporting a great cause andyou're out there rioting,
looting and criminalizing andvandalizing and you're going
against the order, the orders ofGod, because these laws are
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based on that, as we've beentalking about, so you're
actually going against thatestablishment, the godly
establishment.
And you know, contrary to a lotof your popular beliefs, you
know the government isn't outthere trying to destroy you.
This government isn'toppressing people.
There are so many greatopportunities that people can
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have if they just get up, getthe mindset going and go out
there and live life, and thiscountry is a great place to do
that.
And in 2020, a notable exampleemerged that illustrates the
potential consequences ofabolishing law enforcement
agencies.
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The potential consequences ofabolishing law enforcement
agencies.
So the foundation of afunctioning legal system
necessitates establishing andenforcing laws, and this vital
enforcement role is fulfilled bynone other than police officers
, who have historically beenlikened to vigilant guardians,
akin to the angelic observers ofearly human civilization.
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These officers are entrustedwith maintaining peace and order
in every municipality, stateand county, represented by the
metaphorical thin blue linesymbolizing the fragile boundary
between tranquility and chaos.
And notably, only about two tothree percent of the population
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is qualified to become a policeofficer.
Yet this small minority thinkabout it upholds the rule of law
for approximately about five tosix, maybe more, percent of the
populace.
Other than that, most peopleare pretty law abiding Today's
anarchists.
They don't understand what theyare doing by, you know, wanting
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to overthrow the government ofthe United States.
Like, I had discussions withsome anarchists during my time
on the riot squad and discoveredthat, man, they have a hatred
for this country.
And discovered that, man, theyhave a hatred for this country.
And you know, it has blindedthem to common sense.
Like, first of all, America hasbeen here for hundreds of years
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, long before they existed.
They were born into thiscountry and its laws, or maybe
they migrated, some of them, butwhich had me questioning what's
so important about them thatthey think that they don't have
to abide by American laws.
And if one doesn't like our wayof life, customs and laws, then
they can go through animmigration process and they can
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move to another country.
For the most part, this countryis one of the best for the right
of life, liberty and thepursuit of happiness, as stated
in the Declaration ofIndependence.
So you have the freedom to dowhatever you please, following
the law of course.
But even then there is leniency.
The police are there to keepthe peace and enforce the laws,
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to maintain order, which is tokeep order from turmoil, from
chaos.
If anarchy happened and ourgovernment was overthrown, then
eventually there's going to beanarchists who would want to
rebel against that newly formed,established government.
So they also tend to forgetthat the other countries that
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want to come and invade andoverthrow the country, which
they would not have attempted todo before because it was so
strong, which they would nothave attempted to do before
because it was so strong, youknow so, and plus many, many
amenities that we have nowadays,all that stuff's gone, the
pleasures of life will be gone,you know, just because you
disagree with some laws or youthink you're being oppressed and
that sort of thing.
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So establishing laws forhumanity was a prudent decision
made by the divine, as it servesto maintain order and
discipline.
So human progress relies on theframework of laws and the
enforcement thereof.
Joe (46:37):
You know, I would say, even if you know, if somebody
doesn't like our laws and youdon't have to simply leave the
country, you can also choose tochange it.
I mean, there are processes bywhich laws can be changed.
So we have elections, we havelegislative bodies that bring
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new laws in and repeal old laws,so the republic has a process
by which that can take place.
So, yes, you're right.
Does it simply say I don't likethis law and we're not going to
follow it and we're going toviolently oppose it?
That is not the constitutionalway.
That's not how the foundingfathers envisioned that liberty
and justice would beadministered.
(47:20):
There is a civil process, apeaceful process, and, yes, you
can always leave the country ifyou don't want to be here.
Anybody can.
But you can also choose to tochange that which you're not
happy with.
If you don't like certainpolicies or laws, you can elect
to have people be put in officethat will make changes, and that
is the democratic process inwhich we live.
(47:42):
And you know, I think those whocreated us with God or any
mythologies of the past, we talkabout a pantheon of gods they
knew precisely what was neededin order for the species with
consciousness to progress to alevel to become a civilization.
We see this in the mythology ofthe Sumerians and the
(48:03):
Babylonians.
So, no matter how you look atit, laws, reasonable and just
laws.
Adel Hammurabi is a reasonableand just set of laws and they're
needed for the human race toprogress and they're given so as
to keep us civilized andorderly.
And along with theimplementation is this belief of
(48:24):
good versus evil, such as withGod, or you're good and the
devil is evil.
So, obeying the laws with God,or you're good and the devil is
evil.
So obeying the laws is to meanthat you are good and breaking
the laws to mean that you arenot.
And this is a very basicprinciple in human nature that
carries on to this very day,fully and completely, in every
sensible and imaginable way ofunderstanding it.
Laurie (48:46):
And that is why there's a scripture verse that says obey
the laws of the land.
So if we are to believe thegods of our religions are flesh
and blood alien beings, then thelaws they gave to us are indeed
extraterrestrial Law plus orderwas to ensure that this human
hybrid race would succeed inruling the planet, and this is
(49:08):
why kingship was lowered toearth and selected people of
certain blood types and geneticmakeup were chosen to carry the
line of kingship.
Laws descended from the gods tothe human leader, kings to
establish in every society thatwas to come.
So laws were instilled in apopulation for the betterment of
society.
Anyone disobeying these lawswere punished, depending on how
(49:32):
severe the punishment was, andit had to do with the listed
consequences of each law.
Joe (49:38):
And, as it is, humans are the only species to have
established systems of law andorder, which is what
distinguishes us from theapproximately 9 million other
species of animals that areinhabiting the Earth, and this
is not merely a coincidence.
There are many factorssurrounding our existence that
suggest it is not random.
Homo sapiens have been aroundfor roughly 250,000 to 300,000
(50:04):
years in the grand scale ofevolution, and there remains
much for us to learn, and intime, like you said, we will
develop the ability to manageour primitive urges and attain a
higher level of consciousness.
L (50:18):
Laurie
Russian-American journalist MaxLerner once said either men will
learn to live like brothers orthey will die like beasts.
So anyway, that concludes ourepisode for today, and I hope
you all enjoyed it andunderstand the importance of law
and order and its role in oursociety and our civilization.
Jo (50:42):
Joe
has popped up in the news andit's made people speculate and
ponder if we aren't going to besoon visited by an alien
spacecraft.
The story that's been makingsome of the headlines is about
3I Atlas, and 3I Atlas issupposedly a comet that is in
(51:04):
orbit and it's getting closertowards what's called the
perihelion.
It's the closest point in itsorbit around the sun.
However, there are some expertswho are saying that it is not a
usual comet, isn't that right,laurie?
Lau (51:18):
Laurie
According to a Harvardprofessor, Avi Loeb, who I mean
he thinks this may be an alienspaceship, and I mean he brought
this up before with the othertwo, you know, space rock
visitors that came through,we're going to discuss the
details of this and its relationto the to these previous two
visitors, Oumuamua and Borisovand you know we're the first two
(51:43):
just intelligence probes likescouts, and this third one, eye
atlas, the mother ship itself,maybe right, I don't know, we'll
see what they're saying weshould be finding out before the
end of this year, so I guesswe'll have to wait and see.
Joe (51:59):
Until then, folks stay safe , stay peaceful and, most of all
, stay curious.
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