November 16, 2025 • 50 mins
A fiery sword over Jerusalem. Armies moving in the clouds. An interstellar visitor acting strangely in our own sky. We bring these threads together for a thoughtful sendoff that doubles as a launchpad for what comes next: a deeper dive into scripture, belief, and the search for meaning that has always lived beneath our UFO conversations.
We start by reflecting on four and a half years, 110 episodes, and a community that pushed us to ask better questions. Then we turn to Flavius Josephus—teacher, soldier, politician—whose accounts of a comet, a luminous night sky, and skyborne chariots framed the fall of Jerusalem as a cascade of omens. We examine his credibility, the Testimonium Flavianum debate, and how ancient reporting blends testimony, politics, and theology. From there, we connect these ancient signs to present-day curiosity about 3I-Atlas, an interstellar object sparking debate with atypical emissions, changing brightness, and headline-grabbing claims that outpace the data.
Along the way, we tackle the pull of prophecy and preterism, why early believers expected a near-term fulfillment, and how modern culture repeats the pattern: reading the heavens for timelines, warnings, and hope. We weigh symbolism against sensors, acknowledging that stories shape us even as instruments inform us. The takeaway isn’t a tidy answer but a better posture—one that honors evidence, interrogates tradition, and admits wonder without surrendering reason.
We’re also opening a new chapter. Our next show will center on the Bible, theology, and the real-life struggles of belief while welcoming pastors, agnostics, and skeptics to test ideas. UFOs and ancient astronaut theory will still surface as they serve the bigger questions: Where do we come from? What do we owe each other? How should we live if the universe is more crowded—or more mysterious—than we think?
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Joe (00:02):
Hello, everyone and welcome to Alien Talk Podcast.
We're glad to have you herewith us to share our exploration
and discussion of pertinentissues that have been sparking
interest in the fields ofufology and extraterrestrial
studies.
However, it is with a littlebit of a heavy heart that we are
here today, as this marks thefinal airing of this program.
(00:23):
Yes, that's right.
Alien Talk Podcast is nowcoming to an end after four and
a half years, eleven seasons,one hundred and ten episodes,
eleven guest appearances, andone published and well-
advertised sci-fi novel.
It is finally time to sign off.
Hard to believe, I know.
So, Nora, you and I began thispodcast back in April of 2021.
(00:47):
It was when COVID was stillgoing on.
We were all masked up then.
A lot has happened in the worldsince we began this, and a lot
has also happened in our ownpersonal lives.
We started this program with avision of what it could become,
which is a simple design on aforum where we could talk
sober-mindedly about narrativesinvolving UFOs and aliens by
(01:09):
applying reason and logic whileonly concerning ourselves with
relevant evidence and notfalling into the area of
conspiracy theory.
And over the years, I thinkwe've successfully covered a
(01:40):
very vast array of topics thatpertain to this complex and
enigmatic subject aboutextraterrestrial life.
And I also think we were ableto display how intensely
relevant it is in the minds ofmany people, and how it really
does deserve to have seriousdialogue.
Laurie (01:58):
Yeah, you're right, Joe.
And aside from the three majorU.S.
elections and all the politicsthat have dominated the
headlines, there have also beena number of stories brought
forth in the last few yearsabout government UFO disclosure
and new academic findingsrelated to various mysteries
around the world.
Some of those have reallybrought to the forefront the
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idea of the real possibility ofthe existence of alien races, as
well as the theory that theyhave been here on Earth in the
ancient past, helping humanityprogress into the civilizations
that we have today.
And there have been conventionswith high prof uh profile
speakers, some of which you andI attended, like Luis Elizondo
(02:44):
about a year ago.
So yeah, we touched on a lot oftopics, and amidst all of that,
yeah, we also wrote a book, andit has definitely been quite a
ride as we've hit nearly 400,000downloads, stretching across
175 countries and it's on everycontinent.
But we do want to make sureeveryone knows uh I I guess you
(03:06):
can say we're not calling itquits, so so much as we're not,
I guess we're just moving oninto a different direction, like
rebranding, if you will, asthey say in the communications
business.
As it is, we have plans to tostart start up a new podcast in
the upcoming year.
And the exact title of it isstill being worked out, but what
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we're looking at is having ashow that is more geared to
talking about matters of theBible, religion, faith, and and
challenges that people face, youknow, particularly believers,
with the embracing of aworldview and a self-view where
the area or the idea of God is acentral part of it.
(03:50):
Mainly, we want to analyze allthe long-hill dogmas, the
maxims, scriptures, and moralcodes that have emerged from you
know thousands of years ofpeople and nations flocking to
uh religions like Christianity.
Joe (04:06):
Yeah, we came to realize that the ET and UFO part of our
podcast was actually moresyncretistic with something
bigger that revealed much deeperissues that people uh have, in
which the existence of alienintelligence is just something
embedded within it.
There's just something biggergoing on.
People have questions not onlyconcerning that, but also about
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the reality of God, the searchfor the meaning of life, the
purpose of our existence, andhumanity's place in the grand
scheme of the entire universe.
So there's a rich diversity inthis quest for deeper
understanding with all kinds ofdisciplines that fall in line
with it.
You know, there's history,science, both natural and human
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sciences, philosophy, theology,mysticism, you know, just tons
of subjects, tons of material.
And of course, the importanceof the church with its pervasive
message of the Gospel issomething that we have found is
incredibly prevalent through ourinteractions with folks out
there, whether it be throughsocial media, the internet, or
just normal dialogue, and mostespecially with our own uh
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circle of friends and families.
So we are looking toincorporate more about that
theme into our discussions.
Certainly we're going to haveyou know serious debates about
matters of things like Biblicalhistory, uh, you know, about the
scriptural narratives and thecharacters within them, about
hermeneutics and apologetics,about miracles, prayer,
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prophecies, and visions, and wewill challenge them.
Uh, we will challenge them withdifficult questions that
clearly demand uh sensibleanswers.
Laurie (05:43):
Yeah, we want to be as thorough and as comprehensive as
we can and look at both sidesof the arguments.
We'll uh we plan to bring ondifferent guests to share in the
conversations, you know, suchas ordained pastors who can
bring their insight, as well asagnostics who can bring theirs,
maybe even atheists.
(06:03):
So, or maybe an ancient alientheorist, who knows?
But we will still talk aboutthe ETs, the OFOs, ancient alien
theory, of course, that thatwill all still be brought up in
some point in time and incertain subjects we talk about.
Joe (06:18):
Absolutely.
That is still very much a partof the bigger conundrum that is
found within religious thought,which we know is something that
is becoming a more and moreprominent part of our culture.
For me, I I've always noticedthat any prolonged conversations
about extraterrestrials,specifically when it deals with
the ancient astronaut uh theory,that it usually tend to divert
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to incorporate discussions aboutChristianity and about angels
and about prayer and aboutsalvation and the afterlife.
And this I found is actuallytrue with anything that entails
a dialogue about things that areabout the paranormal or the
supernatural.
So it is our hope that we canconnect with more listeners by
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covering topics that I we thinkare more deeply and personally
relatable to them.
Meanwhile, Laurie here is goingto continue with his own
podcast, The Alien Image, inwhich he will further explore
the fascinating study ofextraterrestrial and UFO
accounts which are happening allover the world.
And indeed there are many.
So if you're interested indelving into the alien debate
(07:25):
even further, uh be sure tocheck that out.
Laurie (07:29):
Yeah, and we'll also keep this one Alien Talk Podcast
accessible to all of you whowant to revisit it on the on the
major directories like Spotify,Apple Podcasts, iHeart Radio,
whatever.
After all, we do have now 110episodes as of tonight.
So I guess you can say uh ithas you know, I like reruns of a
(07:52):
TV show, I guess.
So yeah, uh, but I'll be airingthe alien image starting next
month on December 1st,hopefully.
For those of you who want tocontinue hearing more about
aliens, uh be sure to downloadit.
I've based the name of thepodcast from the scripture
verse, Let us make man and ourimage after our likeness, which
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is, you know, the that would bethe extraterrestrials, whatever
that that created us.
And it's the it's probably themost quoted passage in human
history.
Uh, but what if those aren'tdivine words?
Like what if they're a directreport from an ancient alien
encounter?
So that'll be the our the alientalk or the the alien image
(08:37):
podcast, you know, which isconnecting uh deep scriptural
dives with the uh global truthof the UFO phenomena and the
ancient alien hypothesis.
And and I'm not I'm notguessing, I'm I'm I'm reading
the the user manual manual leftbehind here by the visitors, and
that's ancient scriptures,Bible, Torah, you know, Qurans,
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whatever.
But this marks the this isgoing to be my official
beginning, as I say, my mission,like to decode the texts and
uncover the Nephilim anddiscover precisely what was
soaring in our ancient skies andwhat may possibly be flying in
our skies today that we don'tunderstand, the UAPs.
And I will continue theresearch and present it to you
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all.
So, you know, be sure to lookfor the podcast, The Alien
Image.
And the first episode is airingaround December 1st, which will
be titled 3I- Atlas Update andthe Betlehem Star.
So, you know, what is itsconnection to the Betlehem Star?
So you'll just have to uh betalking directly.
(09:43):
I'll be talking directly to youon this one, and I'll be doing
much of the same stuff as we didhere.
Although Joe and I willoccasionally run some special
alien talk podcast together.
So say, you know, wheneverthere is a particular ET or UFO
topic that comes up that wethink is worthwhile airing, and
we can bring it on this one.
(10:05):
But overall, I think our nextstep to start something focusing
more on the Bible andChristianity and lists on aliens
will be refreshing to somepeople out there who have been
following us for a while.
And it is quite apparent thatuh issues of religion and faith
have you know have always beenuh always shown to be very
(10:27):
important to, I mean, well, Iguess uh pretty much everybody.
And and as it is, you and Iboth have backgrounds in
ministry, apologetics, theBiblical studies.
And so I think we have a lot tooffer in a uh a forum based on
these kinds of relateddiscussions discussions.
So, and before we move on here,I want to give a you know, Joe,
(10:50):
I think you would agree, wewant to give a big shout out to
our listeners in Australia, suchas you know, Sydney, Melbourne,
and uh Bisband, because youguys love us out there.
You you have all been uh thenumber one top listener cities
for for a good time now.
So please keep that momentumgoing with with me at the Alien
Image podcast.
And also for those of you whowondered if we can do an episode
(11:13):
on the Buga Sphere, I amplanning on uh doing that
episode soon, so because I toosaw a silver sphere earlier this
year just solvering up in thesky.
So more to come about that.
So now let's uh turn to today'stopic.
Joe (11:29):
I agree with you.
A big heartfelt thank you toall the listeners out there
around the world who havelistened in and you know
downloaded our podcast over thelast four and a half and a half
years.
Yeah, we couldn't have done itwithout you.
I agree with you on that, Lori.
Laurie (11:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yep.
So now the um what we'reexcited to discuss, the man
Yosef bin Metalyahu, betterknown to us all as uh Josephus.
In Bible college, we've studiedhis book as part of our
curriculum.
And we you know we know him asa Jewish historian who is often
referred to as the Christiantheologians as a as a
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significant writer who depictswhat uh society was like in the
first century A.D., which ofcourse is the time of the life
of Jesus.
Now, Josephus was was not aChristian, but his work has been
credited as being one ofnon-biblical sources that
significantly confirms theauthenticity of New Testament
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narrative.
Yet many people probably don'tknow this, but he documents the
appearance of a very strangeaerial phenomenon over
Jerusalem, and it was supposedlywitnessed by much of the
population there at the time.
So we must ask, what exactly isthis thing he mentions, and is
there a possible connection toit being something
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extraterrestrial?
More importantly, does it tiein at all with the you know
recent discovery of three eyeAtlas, the interstellar object
that entered our solar systemjust a few months ago, and has
been on so many news feet?
So, you know, we'll get intothat shortly, and I'll get into
that even in more detail with myfirst episode on the alien
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image.
Joe (13:13):
Right, so to start off with, Flavius Josephus, which is
the Latin name by which he isknown, he is a very enigmatic
and polymathic figure.
I mean, he wears several hatsthroughout his life: a Pharisee,
a rabbi, an orator, a soldier,and a politician.
And he was born into a noblepriestly family in Jerusalem in
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37 AD, which is just a few yearsafter the crucifixion.
Josephus' upbringing provideshim with a deep understanding of
the Mosaic Law, Jewish history,and Greek philosophy.
He was well educated, andbecause of that, he quickly rose
to prominence as a teacher andleader within the land of Judea.
Then in 66 AD, just shortlyafter the death of the Apostle
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Paul, the Jewish revolt againstRome had erupted.
It would be the first one offive over the span of seventy
years.
Josephus was appointed by theSanhedrin as a military
commander to the province ofGalilee, yet despite his efforts
to organize and mobilize asubstantial force, the
overwhelming power of the RomanTenth Legion, the one led by
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Vespasian, it proved to be toogreat.
That army was nearlyinvincible.
So after a prolonged siege atJotapata, which is not far from
the town of Nazareth, Josephusand his men were captured, and
according to his own account, hesurvived by surrendering to
Vespassian.
Now at that point he made asmart move and proclaimed a
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prediction that the Romangeneral would soon become
emperor.
Vespasian liked hearing thatand thus spared Josephus' life.
And right after this he becamesomething of an official liaison
or a diplomat between theRomans and the Jews, and he
showed preference or revreverence to that position by
adopting the family nameFlavius, so as to honor his new
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patrons of the Flavian dynasty,which included Vespasian and
also his son Titus.
Laurie (15:14):
Right.
Joseph, or sorry, Josephes,Josephus, earned the trust of
Vespasian, Vespaspian, intongue-tied tonight, and became
a very close confidant andadvisor, even accompanying the
uh 10th Legion during the siegeand eventual destruction of
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Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
After this, Josephus wasgranted Roman citizenship and
lived under imperial patronagein the city of Rome, where he
devoted himself to writing.
Josephus's first significantwork was called The Wars of the
Jews, which was completed around75 A.D.
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And it provides a detailedaccount of the Jewish revolt
against Rome, the events leadingup to it, and the war's
aftermath.
And he sought to explain thecauses of the conflict and
present the Jewish perspectiveto the Roman audiences while
also attempting to justify hisown actions during the war.
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And then in 94 AD, Josephuswrote his next book, The
Antiquities of the Jews, acomprehensive history of the Jew
of the Hebrews from creation tothe outbreak of the Jewish
revolt.
Written in 20 volumes, thisexhaustive work aimed to
demonstrate the richness ofJudaic history, language,
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culture, and traditions to aGreco-Roman audience.
And Josephus knew or drew uponOld Testament sources as well as
his own knowledge andexperience to craft a narrative
that uh emphasizes the uhcontinuity and dignity of a
Jewish heritage.
Joe (16:59):
So, yeah, Josephus' prediction or prophecy about
Vespasian's rise to powergreatly impressed this Roman
general and it secured hisfavor.
So once Vespasian ascended tothe throne, Josephus enjoyed the
privileges of a Roman citizenand lived comfortably in the
capital.
He remained close to theFlavian family, which gave him
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access to the imperial librariesfor his historical writings,
and of course, one of those wasthe Septuagint, the Greek
translation of the OldTestament.
Most scholarly work back thenwas in Greek.
Josephus's were no exception.
Now, one of the most debatedaspects of Josephus' writings is
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his reference to Jesus Christ,as you mentioned already.
In Antiquities of the Jews, hedescribes Jesus as a wise man
and acknowledges crucifixionunder Pontius Pilate.
This passage is specially knownas the Testimonium Flavianum
and is very brief, and itsauthenticity has been heavily
contested by scholars for manyyears.
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Most agree that Josephusrecognized Jesus as being a
significant figure in firstcentury Judea, even calling him
the Christ, thus providing anearly parallel account of the
gospel.
He references John the Baptistas well.
Yet by the same token, Josephuswas not a direct witness to the
life and ministry of eitherJesus or John the Baptist.
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He wasn't even around untilwell after Jesus' crucifixion
and well after the death of Johnthe Baptist.
Many ancient texts may prove tobe authentic, however, the
accuracy of the source materialis often considered to be weak,
sometimes very weak, even forthose ones thought to be
apostolic.
Meaning we might be confidentthat the author, the named
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author, did write it, but thathe was writing about what may
not be factual or at leastcannot be verified by firsthand
accounts.
And actually, sometimes we'renot even confident of that.
Sometimes we're not evenconfident that the name on the
manuscript is the name of theauthor who wrote it.
Laurie (19:04):
That's right.
But I mean, Josephus waswriting down stories that he had
heard, and you know, there aresome who uh even think that the
the testimonium uh flavinium isnothing but a uh redaction
created hundreds of years laterby you know the church leaders.
Like you said, the wholepassage is pretty short and
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brief, and it says, Now therewas about this time Jesus, a
wise man, if it be lawful tocall him a man, for he was a
doer of wonderful works, ateacher of such men as received
the truth with pleasure, he drewover to him both many of the
Jews and many of the Gentiles,and he was the Christ.
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And when Pilate, at thesuggestion of the principal men
amongst us, had condemned him tothe cross, those that loved him
at the first did not forsakehim, for he appeared to them
alive again the third day, asthe divine prophets had foretold
these and ten thousand otherwonderful things concerning him,
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and the tribe of Christians whoare so named from him are not
extinct at this day.
So, I mean, the the firstcouple lines uh I I don't know,
I I can't see how this isactually added in there by
people who later in Christianitythat put that in there.
It seems like this man wasprobably Joe uh Josephus writing
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this, and because he does sayin other parts of the book that
it's like he's there as he'switnessing the light and
everything that shines down onuh on over the city, and he
talks about the you know thewell we'll get into it.
So, but anyway, this thatexcerpt I just read from uh read
from is is from the Antiquitiesof the Jews, book 18, chapter
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3, from the works of Josephus.
Translated, but this wastranslated by a William Weston X
Hendrickson publishers back in1987.
Joe (21:03):
Yeah, and then as far as that dispute about redactions,
you have to realize at the timethey were only you know so many
people had control and access toyou know some of these
manuscripts, so they would beable to change things without a
whole big huge piece of thepopulation knowing about it
until maybe centuries later.
(21:24):
They look at this from in termsof stylistic uh authorship and
penmanship.
Again, it's disputed that thereare many who do not think it is
a redaction, and there havebeen other scholars who look at
it, you know, particularly withthe Greek version and see some
differences in penmanship.
But then again, you know, oneperson can vary his penmanship,
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you know, even in writinganything.
Uh we see plenty of examples ofthat.
So it just it's just hard tosay.
We don't know exactly.
It's a it's heavily debated.
But regardless, uh FlaviusJosephus is considered one of
the most important sources forunderstanding Jewish life and
society in what is called theSecond Temple Period.
His works remain invaluable tohistorians and theologians
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alike, offering insight into thesocial and political
complexities of identity,loyalty, and faith during the
time that the early church wasbeginning to form.
Really, anyone who is dedicatedto studying the Bible and the
history of Christianity'sorigins needs to have a copy of
Josephus.
Laurie (22:29):
Yep, I definitely do.
Me too.
Huh?
Joe (22:33):
Me too.
Laurie (22:34):
Yeah.
Now, probably the most strikingfeature found in Josephus is
his description of a comet thatI spoke about earlier that
reportedly circled the earth foran entire year.
According to his account, itappeared as a fiery sword, which
lingered in the sky and wasseen by many as a warning of
impending catastrophe.
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Such a prolonged appearance wasinterpreted by the people of
Jerusalem as a as a recipe ofdisaster, fueling anxiety and
speculation about the city'sfate.
And not only that, but he alsosays that even at three o'clock
in the morning, in the darknessof the early morning, it lit up
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the ground as it was as as if itwas like daytime.
It's like one of those bigbright harvest moons, I guess.
And but you can't help butwonder what the what the you
know the heck he's talkingabout.
And because comets don't dothat.
That would make it at least asas bright as the full moon, like
I said.
And he also wrote about anothercelestial sign.
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It was a star, also resemblinga sword that appeared to, again,
that appeared in the earlyhours of the month, Nissan,
which is I think that'scorresponding to period of like
March, April months in theGregorian calendar, somewhere
around there.
Same month as like Easter andPassover, by the way.
So, but now this star's unusualshape and its particular timing
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of its arrival were consideredhighly significant to anyone
versed in divination andastrology.
Because many people, or uh manyof them, interpreted it as a
supernatural omen of war andbloodshed, a sign of things to
soon come.
And the sword-like fromsuggested violence, that forms
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the sword, I guess, is what theythey would interpret it as
violence, because the sword is asymbol of violence that kills,
you know, violence, conflict,and suffering that all aligned
with the turbulent events thatdid indeed unfold in Judea,
which is the wars of the Jews,which is what Philphesus
Josephus had talked about.
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And perhaps the most airy anddramatic of Josephus' accounts
was the vision of the armies ofthe sky, which were seen
circling above Jerusalem.
And he describes witnesses whosaw ranks of soldiers and
chariots moving through theclouds, seemingly preparing for
battle.
So this astonishing spectaclelasted for days and was so
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convincing that many believed itwas a sign from God foretelling
the coming war and the eventualdestruction of Jerusalem.
So just Josephus emphasizesthat these visions were not
isolated.
Multiple people reported themand were widely discussed at the
time.
And so, I mean, with that, thatprobably not visions at all,
(25:32):
but maybe actual, you know, UAPsup in the sky, ancient sky.
Joe (25:38):
Well, Josephus' description of these aerial phenomena
played a significant role inshaping ancient and later
perceptions of Jerusalem's fate.
In his narrative, such signswere seen as divine warnings,
messages from the heavens thatdisaster was imminent.
And the vividness and drama ofJosephus' accounts continue to
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intrigue readers today, raisingquestions about the intersection
of history, legend, and thebelief in times of crisis.
Remember, it is uh isproblematic when any ancient
writer claims that somethingextraordinary happened and that
there were a whole lot of otherfolks who directly witnessed it,
yet we don't know who they are.
No names or testimonies wereever written by them.
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We run into the same thing inMatthew 27: 51, where right
after Jesus dies on the cross,the ground shook and the rocks
split open, and dead holy peoplecame out of the tombs and
walked around being seen by manypeople.
And again in 1 Corinthians 15: 6, Paul claims that more than (26:36):
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500 people encountered the risenJesus before his ascension.
Who were they?
And do we have any accountsfrom them?
The answer is no.
And that means with all ofthis, whether in Josephus or in
even the Synoptic Gospels, it isa whole bunch of reporting that
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is removed by the authorthrough witness statements that
are, you know, secondhand, thirdhand, fourth hand, often even
beyond that.
So with a lot of books fromback then, even ones considered
as historical record, we findthat corroboration and
confirmation of accuracy is notas much of importance as is the
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effectiveness of making the mainideas of the narrative resonate
with the reason, readers.
Josephus wrote in a similarmanner, these strange aerial
phenomena that are described inthe wars of the Jews, the comets
circling the earth, thesword-shaped star, and the
armies in the sky, theydemonstrate how extraordinary
events were interpreted asomens, importance in the ancient
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world.
So seeing things in the skywere taken very seriously as
they were to believe to be verysignificant in their meaning
towards the affairs of men.
And this is where a lot oftimes we see factual record and
fable begin to overlap.
Whatever it was thatastrologers said back then was
listened to by kings, emperors,generals, scribes, everyone.
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Something said to be a cursewas a big deal to them.
So in the context of Josephus'writings, this was all meant to
be seen as a prelude to the endof an error, not so much being
concerned over accuracy ofdetails.
The importance of this error isthat Jerusalem was the center
of Jewish thinking and Jewishfaith and Jewish identity, and
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it is now the end of an age.
It is now the end of the age ofthe temple of the Lord, and
that's very significant to theJewish nationality, especially
in the first century.
Laurie (28:37):
You know, Joe, a lot of people, this is why a lot of
people believe that the rapturealready took place.
They they believe the rapturetook place during that time that
you spoke about after Christdied, because um it did say that
Jesus always said, I'll soonreturn, like soon, very soon,
very quickly.
Yeah.
And when he died, it's justthat people rose from the dead
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and were walking around.
So that is spoken about by Paulin, of course, one of his
letters to Thessalonians, sayingwhere the dead in Christ will
rise first, and then we wouldstart alive and remain will be
caught up to meet the Lord inthe in the air.
And you know, I don't know.
We don't know, maybe thingsweren't documented.
Some things weren't documented,such as did these circling
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armies in the sky going aboutthe clouds, did they take people
back then?
You know, because revelation isso is so direct when it comes
to saying one person, two peoplewill be in the field, one will
be taken, the other left.
We don't know, you know, maybethese things were left out, left
undocumented to to any of thewritings that we have today.
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Um you have any thoughts onthat?
Joe (29:44):
And of course, I've always, you know, kind of wrestled with
the meaning of you know, I willreturn soon.
Okay.
Soon means, yeah, within atleast a year.
I I don't know to this kind ofstretch the idea that soon to
God could expand.
2000 years.
Yeah.
See people you know kind of uhproclaiming today.
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Yeah, when you read thesenarratives in the Synoptic
Gospels, and certainly when youread Paul, the idea is that he's
coming back soon.
He's not it's not gonna be, youknow, this undisclosed time of
century after century.
It's gonna be really soon.
And and in and truly, when yousee you know the sort of the
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social dynamics going on withthe early church, they were
expecting the end of an errorvery soon.
They were expecting thiskingdom of heaven to arrive very
soon, and that the fulfillmentof the gospel was going to be in
their lifetime, not in the 21stcentury.
You know, no, they werethinking in the first century.
Yeah, when this happened.
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And then you see it in themartyr movement that was very
prevalent in the first, second,third centuries.
The idea is that life here onearth is not really meaningful
or not the priority.
You see this theme very heavilyin Paul, but seek your eyes on
the things of heaven, not on thethings of earth.
So to give up your life here onearth for the cause of
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spreading the gospel and livingit as the life as a good
Christian, was that you foundthe better reward of going into
heaven.
And and that was gonna becoming soon.
So, yeah, you do kind of seethat that theme.
And yeah, I wonder in terms ofdocumentation.
We're lucky we have anythingfrom back then.
In my opinion, it's likepeople, you know, their ability
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to read and write back then, itwas this elite group of folks
who were scribes and educatedenough to to read and write, and
it was not the vast majority ofthe population.
So yeah, I'm sure there arethings that are left out of what
happened back then that eitherif they were documented, they
were lost, or like he said,weren't documented at all.
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That could very well beconceivable.
Laurie (31:55):
Yeah, and that's what I mean.
It's like we we've talkedbefore about how the uh you
know, the seven-year war duringthis time, this wars of the Jews
that uh Josephus was talkingabout, that was the seven years.
We we kind of uh compared thatto the seven-year tribulation
period because Nero's numberactually works out to 666 and
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the whole coin thing, the moneyof the beast is actually being
referred to as mark of thebeast.
Mark means money, all thatstuff.
So there's a good possibilitythat you know that all these end
times stuff that we're going onwith today has already
happened.
And you know, could it be thenthat you know the Roman Empire,
or not the Roman Empire, but theRoman Catholic Church, you
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know, began to set up Christ'skingdom on earth, paved the way
for Christ's kingdom on earth,which is as he says in the
Lord's Prayer, you know, thykingdom, our fathers are in
heaven, hallowed name, you know,thy kingdom come.
And you think about it whenwhat's the name of the
Constantine, when Constantinecreated Constantinople, it
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lasted for thousands for athousand years.
And remember, after after therapture and all of that stuff,
that's when the thousand-yearmillennial reign is supposed to
happen, Christ's kingdom onearth, and that's what
Constantinople means, is uh likeChrist's kingdom on earth, and
it lasted for you know athousand years.
So coincidence, yeah, I don'tknow, or it could be actual
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prophetic, you know, propheciescoming coming through and have
come and gone.
But anyway, so uh whether thesethese were actual that you're
talking about earlier, they'rethe actual astronom uh
astronomical events, or ifthey're symbolic depictions,
they reflect the anxiety andanticipation that that gripped
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Jerusalem throughout the eve ofthis destruction.
And this analysis posits thatthe events documented during
this time period can beinterpreted as genuine
unidentified aerial phenomena,UAPs.
Josephus demonstrated insightby incorporating these celestial
occurrences, which numerouswitnesses are reported to have
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seen with their own eyes.
And so this historical accountis frequently overlooked.
It's uh dismissed by manyreligious leaders and scholars
who they often characterizethese phenomena as angelic
beings preparing for thiscelestial battle.
However, if these purportedarmies in the sky were said to
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have been observed by ordinaryindividuals, then it is
imperative that we connect thedots and accurately identify
these events as potential alienintervention or possibly an
invasion.
Uh so consider the context.
A comet was initially observedin the sky.
It was followed by a luminousobject that hovered over the
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city for about 30 minutes atlike three o'clock in the
morning.
So subsequently, a fantasticand you know significant
conflict ensued during which thepeople of Judea reportedly
witnessed a large fleet in thesky characterized by you know
round chariots navigatingthrough the clouds in a
formation that surrounded thecity.
(35:17):
So, I mean, it does make youwonder if we are due for a
repeat of these kinds of eventsby another visiting comet,
which, and you know the the oneI'm talking about, which we
spoke about in our last episode,and that is three eye Atlas.
And I mean, it has been coveredquite a bit now.
According to several newsoutlets, it is now claimed that
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it has brightened and afterapproaching the sun or passing
the sun, wherever it is rightnow, and you know, it now it's
also accelerating.
And I think it went from like136,000 miles per hour to like
157,000 now, and it's not it'snot done uh due to gas emissions
that uh occur naturally oncomets.
(36:02):
Again, we we're not saying thatit is for certain an alien
starship, but I mean, we don'tknow for sure due to the
scientific explanations for itsunusual behavior.
But yet, when we think of thethe omen that revealed in
Josephus about what the cometforetold to the people, you
know, are we in are we to viewthree Atnis in the same light?
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A great disaster happened afterthat comet, the Jewish nation
who you know essentially came toan end in its capital
Jerusalem, a a beacon not onlyof the earthly wealth and
greatness, but also of aspiritual covenant with the
heavenly God was completelyleveled, destroyed.
So, with all the you know theturmoil turmoil going on in the
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world today, could this cometalso be an omen of a similar
type that is signaling adestructive things to come?
I mean, this hope not, right?
Joe (36:58):
Yeah, for sure.
Let's hope not.
Yeah, bad things are definitelyhappening all over.
Watching the news, we usuallydon't see very much in the way
of positive stories beingreported anywhere.
It's important to always keepin mind that bad things have
always been going on.
And there were times whenthings were even far worse than
they are today.
Uh, living as a Jew in thefirst century Jerusalem
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certainly seems like it wouldhave been such a time.
With three eye atlas, what ismaking it kind of a special
comet compared to otherthousands and thousands of
comets sightings from over thecenturies is that it is
interstellar, and it is only oneof three that have been
assessed by scientists to havecome from deep space, all three
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of them being discovered withinthe last eight years.
Now, this designation is givendue to it having a very
hyperbolic orbit around the sunthat puts its trajectory as
coming from somewhere extremelyfar away, even for a comet.
And that added to some of theother characteristics notice
about it, such as its size, itscomposition, its spectroscopy,
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its strange velocity anddirectional changes, sort of
which seem to defy the laws ofcelestial mechanics and
gravitation.
It can make anyone wonder ifit's not perhaps something else,
some intelligence or somethingcontrolled by an intelligence.
And when we learn about storiesfrom the past that tell of
bizarre sightings andoccurrences that seem to have no
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explanation with what likeJosephus is mentioning, we're
left to wonder if everythingextraordinary and unusual isn't
somehow part of something muchlarger at work, if there isn't
one answer that satisfies all ofthese mysteries.
And I think the answer thatmany of us seek is one that
points to these things as notbeing of this world.
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Hence our proclivitycontemplates the notion that
there exist intelligent beingsand forces, whatever they may
be, uh, that originate frombeyond the earth that we here
you know call home.
Of course, we all want to knowwhat those astral images are
that Josephus ascribes and ifthey are related to what we are
finding out now with the cometor interstellar object 3I Atlas.
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Is it going to be the samething of sorts?
Aside from the literaryevidence, we are hard pressed to
find any proof of Josephus'syear-long bright comet hovering
over Jerusalem, for that matter,the Star of Bethlehem hanging
right above the spot where theinfant Christ was said to be.
So it is really hard to say ifwe can assign any significant
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meaning to these kinds ofstories about things observed in
the sky when that's all we haveare the stories.
Laurie (39:38):
Well, more reports are emerging about three-eye atlas
and its unusual behavior.
I mean, as as it approached thesun, it it brightened, like I
said.
And but what's raising eyebrowsis that it it hadn't it hasn't
developed a tail.
Something we typically expectfrom comets.
And I however I think it'sstarting to now, last I checked.
(40:00):
But anyway, instead it's uh itit is producing carbon monoxide
and nickel and has changed itstrajectory towards Earth now.
And it's it seems like nowthey're saying it's breaking
apart into several pieces andchanging its color from red to a
blue hue.
So could this be a mothershipsplitting into smaller craft?
(40:22):
Sounds straight a sounds likestraight out of a movie like
Independence Day, which is ascenario I really hope isn't
true.
But anyway, it's odd behavior,is is why the scientific
community is is getting anxiousnow.
And it is all over socialmedia, and there's even a
self-proclaimed remote viewerwho appeared on British TV
(40:43):
claiming that uh theManhattan-sized ship holds about
five million reptilian aliensthat are asleep in pods,
suspended in a uh deep sleep,and on their way to reclaim
their planet after thousands ofyears.
So when I read when I readscriptures like those from
Revelation, hearing someone talkabout pods crashing from space
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and beings emerging to tormenthumanity, it really makes you
wonder, doesn't it?
Joe (41:10):
Well, I I suppose we'll find out more right around the
time of the holidays.
Laurie (41:14):
Yeah.
unknown (41:15):
Yeah.
Joe (41:15):
Personally, I I think what we can expect will come from 3i
Atlas is that it will pass fromour solar system, just as
Oumuamua and Borisov did.
And we will make some good,clear observations of it with
all of our capable telescopesand detect various emissions.
Data will be collected andgathered, measurements and
analysis will be made.
In the end, we will have morequestions than answers, and
(41:38):
there'll continue to be a heckof a lot of speculation about
what it truly is.
Some will say it is nothingmore than a comet, and others
will reaffirm their positionsthat it is a piece of some kind
of extraterrestrial technology.
Perhaps I may sound a littlecynical, but I I think we'll be
no better or worse off than weare now, and none the wiser for
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it.
If it does truly turn out to bea large alien star destroyer
type of ship coming to Earth,then I say we have bigger
problems than just me beingwrong.
That would definitely be thecase now, wouldn't it?
Laurie (42:13):
Third time's a charm, Joe.
Joe (42:16):
Indeed.
Let's hope that's this is not acharm.
This is a bad thing.
Let's hope third time is not acharm.
So that will conclude thediscussion.
Now, Laurie, people out therehave to know, I have to know,
out of the 109 episodes, wecan't count this one, which one
of them was your favorite?
Laurie (42:37):
That's a hard question.
I actually like a lot of them,of course, because we created
them.
But I like Valiant Thor.
That was a good one.
The Galactic Federation one isa nice one too.
But I think my favorite wouldhave to be the Reptilians,
Aliens of a Sinister Kind.
Yeah, that one.
Joe (42:57):
What's yours?
You know, I I've thought aboutthat for a while.
So there were some shows we didthat we were clearly more
passionate about than others,and I think that came across in
how we delivered some of thetopics and with how much time we
devoted to discussing them.
Uh, you know, the secrets ofEnoch was one I really liked.
So was the one about UFOs andancient art and the uh
(43:19):
clandestine NASA.
So many of them were reallygood.
However, I have to say myfavorite one was the Vatican
Archives.
I just really like getting intothe whole history of Europe and
the Catholic Church and talkingabout all the secretiveness of
it.
The idea that certain elitepeople from back in the Middle
Ages obtain recorded informationabout even more ancient
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knowledge that was much moreadvanced and elaborate than we
ever thought imaginable.
That to me is just reallyfascinating.
And we think of the medievalpast or or even sometime, you
know, like the Victorian era, asbeing a time period when people
didn't know much or knewrelatively little, certainly not
as much as we know now.
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Therefore, the thought of ofit, even if it's only
imaginative, that monks,bishops, and popes have
possessed things stashed awaydeep in the Vatican that prove
aliens do indeed exist and havebeen on our planet since the
beginning of time, I just thinkthat's that's great stuff for
the mind to ponder.
Laurie (44:22):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, many of the subjects wegot into were really just
incredible to talk about.
I had fun doing them.
And I mean, they were verythought-provoking, very
in-depth, and very challenging.
I mean, we poured our heart andsoul into these episodes.
You know, they're very um,they're very challenging to the
established order of religiousthinking as well as scientific
(44:44):
thinking and and even politicalthinking.
So I I know we we would alwayswonder if the episodes would be
too short in their you know timelengths, but that was never a
problem.
We would always be able toreach 40 minutes, 50 minutes,
sometimes even an hour withthese shows.
And there was always plenty todiscuss, examine, and analyze.
(45:06):
It was truly a fabulous pursuitundertaken by us to learn more
about all these amazing things.
Joe (45:13):
Yeah, indeed it was.
So I'd like to wrap it up witha quote from Galileo, just
before he was put on trialduring the Inquisition, and that
is all truths are easy tounderstand once they are
discovered.
The difficulty is in actuallydiscovering them.
If there's anything to be takenaway from this, it is a humble
appreciation that there is somuch about the universe, so much
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out there that we do not know,and that we must never cease in
our desire to continually seekout the most profound truths and
to keep our interest in doingso, and to keep our curiosity to
always be explorers.
So, Laurie, it has been anhonor to be your co-host on this
show.
It was a lot of fun, and Ithink we've made significant
strides into getting our namesand getting our subject matter
(45:56):
out there in podcast land.
So, thank you for what you'vedone to help us get here.
Good luck with your next one,and I hope everyone out there
listening will tune in to theAlien Image, in which Laurie
will present interesting topicsabout UFO encounters, government
program disclosure, ancientalien theory, and all facets
concerning the notions ofextraterrestrial life existing
(46:17):
far out among the stars, or evenhere close to our planet.
So check it out.
Lori again, best of luck, and Ihave a feeling we'll be teaming
up here again in the nearfuture with our next podcast.
So, all of you, please keep alookout for it.
Laurie (46:32):
Yeah, it was a great honor to do this with you, Joe.
You also contributed a greatdeal of research, and we had a
lot of fun doing it.
And the podcast and the writingof our novel were awesome
experiences.
So, yeah, a big thanks to you,my friend.
And I'll be mentioning our newupcoming show uh throughout my
episodes and giving out thedates for that in order to keep
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everyone apprised of when itwill be set to begin.
And of course, you can stilldownload any of these old
episodes and even our books.
Don't forget our books, ourlatest one, Battle Planet AD,
Relic of the Gods, it and uh theothers are available on Amazon,
Barnes Noble, Google, whereverthose outlets are.
(47:14):
And I really, reallyappreciate, we really appreciate
all the support you you allgave this uh podcast.
Joe (47:22):
Yeah, thank you, my friend.
And and yes, to all of you, uh,as we said, we who faithfully
tuned into our program over thepast four and a half years, and
and for all of the Facebookcomments and likes that you
posted, we want to thank you forthat.
Uh, you've all helped toinspire us to work harder and to
bring forth the plethora ofmaterial to present and discuss.
And we hope that you have founda dialogue to be intriguing and
(47:45):
maybe even uplifting in someway.
Laurie (47:48):
Yeah, uh, we'll certainly keep that Facebook
page up at least for a while, inaddition to the website.
So uh we'll continue to replyto any of you who wish to
contact us.
And like I said earlier, who'sto say we won't occasionally do
another Alien Talk Podcastepisode?
So there could very be well betopics that come up which uh we
think would be best put rightout here on this platform.
(48:11):
And yeah, we can come back todiscuss it.
And well, we never who knows,right?
After if if we determine thatthis is definitely an alien ship
that's coming towards us, maybewe uh do an emergency uh kind
of show then, you know, kind oflike an alien talk podcast
reunion for sure.
Joe (48:30):
Well, I like the idea of a reunion, but let's hope we don't
have to do anything like thatof you know, telling people
please seek shelter or seekescape.
So where are you where are yougonna go?
That's a problem.
So yeah, absolutely.
There's a very good chance thatwe will do just that and and
have uh another episode of AlienTalk Podcasts at some point in
(48:51):
time.
And finally, we can't forgetour wives and our families.
We want to sincerely thank themfor their encouragement and
support.
We especially want to expressour appreciation to our wives
for their patience with us forall the hours we had to set
aside for the research and prepand coordination to go on and
record these 110 episodes ofours.
(49:11):
We love you and thank you.
So, folks, it has been aprivilege for us to have been a
part of your list of podcastfaves and to have connected with
so many of you from so manyplaces.
The show may have ended, butthe message has not.
And with that, we hope for allof you out there to stay
engaged, to stay respectful, andmost of all, to stay curious.
(49:32):
So long, everyone.
Hello, everyone and welcome to Alien Talk Podcast.
We're glad to have you herewith us to share our exploration
and discussion of pertinentissues that have been sparking
interest in the fields ofufology and extraterrestrial
studies.
However, it is with a littlebit of a heavy heart that we are
here today, as this marks thefinal airing of this program.
(00:23):
Yes, that's right.
Alien Talk Podcast is nowcoming to an end after four and
a half years, eleven seasons,one hundred and ten episodes,
eleven guest appearances, andone published and well-
advertised sci-fi novel.
It is finally time to sign off.
Hard to believe, I know.
So, Nora, you and I began thispodcast back in April of 2021.
(00:47):
It was when COVID was stillgoing on.
We were all masked up then.
A lot has happened in the worldsince we began this, and a lot
has also happened in our ownpersonal lives.
We started this program with avision of what it could become,
which is a simple design on aforum where we could talk
sober-mindedly about narrativesinvolving UFOs and aliens by
(01:09):
applying reason and logic whileonly concerning ourselves with
relevant evidence and notfalling into the area of
conspiracy theory.
And over the years, I thinkwe've successfully covered a
(01:40):
very vast array of topics thatpertain to this complex and
enigmatic subject aboutextraterrestrial life.
And I also think we were ableto display how intensely
relevant it is in the minds ofmany people, and how it really
does deserve to have seriousdialogue.
Laurie (01:58):
Yeah, you're right, Joe.
And aside from the three majorU.S.
elections and all the politicsthat have dominated the
headlines, there have also beena number of stories brought
forth in the last few yearsabout government UFO disclosure
and new academic findingsrelated to various mysteries
around the world.
Some of those have reallybrought to the forefront the
(02:21):
idea of the real possibility ofthe existence of alien races, as
well as the theory that theyhave been here on Earth in the
ancient past, helping humanityprogress into the civilizations
that we have today.
And there have been conventionswith high prof uh profile
speakers, some of which you andI attended, like Luis Elizondo
(02:44):
about a year ago.
So yeah, we touched on a lot oftopics, and amidst all of that,
yeah, we also wrote a book, andit has definitely been quite a
ride as we've hit nearly 400,000downloads, stretching across
175 countries and it's on everycontinent.
But we do want to make sureeveryone knows uh I I guess you
(03:06):
can say we're not calling itquits, so so much as we're not,
I guess we're just moving oninto a different direction, like
rebranding, if you will, asthey say in the communications
business.
As it is, we have plans to tostart start up a new podcast in
the upcoming year.
And the exact title of it isstill being worked out, but what
(03:30):
we're looking at is having ashow that is more geared to
talking about matters of theBible, religion, faith, and and
challenges that people face, youknow, particularly believers,
with the embracing of aworldview and a self-view where
the area or the idea of God is acentral part of it.
(03:50):
Mainly, we want to analyze allthe long-hill dogmas, the
maxims, scriptures, and moralcodes that have emerged from you
know thousands of years ofpeople and nations flocking to
uh religions like Christianity.
Joe (04:06):
Yeah, we came to realize that the ET and UFO part of our
podcast was actually moresyncretistic with something
bigger that revealed much deeperissues that people uh have, in
which the existence of alienintelligence is just something
embedded within it.
There's just something biggergoing on.
People have questions not onlyconcerning that, but also about
(04:28):
the reality of God, the searchfor the meaning of life, the
purpose of our existence, andhumanity's place in the grand
scheme of the entire universe.
So there's a rich diversity inthis quest for deeper
understanding with all kinds ofdisciplines that fall in line
with it.
You know, there's history,science, both natural and human
(04:49):
sciences, philosophy, theology,mysticism, you know, just tons
of subjects, tons of material.
And of course, the importanceof the church with its pervasive
message of the Gospel issomething that we have found is
incredibly prevalent through ourinteractions with folks out
there, whether it be throughsocial media, the internet, or
just normal dialogue, and mostespecially with our own uh
(05:11):
circle of friends and families.
So we are looking toincorporate more about that
theme into our discussions.
Certainly we're going to haveyou know serious debates about
matters of things like Biblicalhistory, uh, you know, about the
scriptural narratives and thecharacters within them, about
hermeneutics and apologetics,about miracles, prayer,
(05:34):
prophecies, and visions, and wewill challenge them.
Uh, we will challenge them withdifficult questions that
clearly demand uh sensibleanswers.
Laurie (05:43):
Yeah, we want to be as thorough and as comprehensive as
we can and look at both sidesof the arguments.
We'll uh we plan to bring ondifferent guests to share in the
conversations, you know, suchas ordained pastors who can
bring their insight, as well asagnostics who can bring theirs,
maybe even atheists.
(06:03):
So, or maybe an ancient alientheorist, who knows?
But we will still talk aboutthe ETs, the OFOs, ancient alien
theory, of course, that thatwill all still be brought up in
some point in time and incertain subjects we talk about.
Joe (06:18):
Absolutely.
That is still very much a partof the bigger conundrum that is
found within religious thought,which we know is something that
is becoming a more and moreprominent part of our culture.
For me, I I've always noticedthat any prolonged conversations
about extraterrestrials,specifically when it deals with
the ancient astronaut uh theory,that it usually tend to divert
(06:41):
to incorporate discussions aboutChristianity and about angels
and about prayer and aboutsalvation and the afterlife.
And this I found is actuallytrue with anything that entails
a dialogue about things that areabout the paranormal or the
supernatural.
So it is our hope that we canconnect with more listeners by
(07:02):
covering topics that I we thinkare more deeply and personally
relatable to them.
Meanwhile, Laurie here is goingto continue with his own
podcast, The Alien Image, inwhich he will further explore
the fascinating study ofextraterrestrial and UFO
accounts which are happening allover the world.
And indeed there are many.
So if you're interested indelving into the alien debate
(07:25):
even further, uh be sure tocheck that out.
Laurie (07:29):
Yeah, and we'll also keep this one Alien Talk Podcast
accessible to all of you whowant to revisit it on the on the
major directories like Spotify,Apple Podcasts, iHeart Radio,
whatever.
After all, we do have now 110episodes as of tonight.
So I guess you can say uh ithas you know, I like reruns of a
(07:52):
TV show, I guess.
So yeah, uh, but I'll be airingthe alien image starting next
month on December 1st,hopefully.
For those of you who want tocontinue hearing more about
aliens, uh be sure to downloadit.
I've based the name of thepodcast from the scripture
verse, Let us make man and ourimage after our likeness, which
(08:14):
is, you know, the that would bethe extraterrestrials, whatever
that that created us.
And it's the it's probably themost quoted passage in human
history.
Uh, but what if those aren'tdivine words?
Like what if they're a directreport from an ancient alien
encounter?
So that'll be the our the alientalk or the the alien image
(08:37):
podcast, you know, which isconnecting uh deep scriptural
dives with the uh global truthof the UFO phenomena and the
ancient alien hypothesis.
And and I'm not I'm notguessing, I'm I'm I'm reading
the the user manual manual leftbehind here by the visitors, and
that's ancient scriptures,Bible, Torah, you know, Qurans,
(08:59):
whatever.
But this marks the this isgoing to be my official
beginning, as I say, my mission,like to decode the texts and
uncover the Nephilim anddiscover precisely what was
soaring in our ancient skies andwhat may possibly be flying in
our skies today that we don'tunderstand, the UAPs.
And I will continue theresearch and present it to you
(09:22):
all.
So, you know, be sure to lookfor the podcast, The Alien
Image.
And the first episode is airingaround December 1st, which will
be titled 3I- Atlas Update andthe Betlehem Star.
So, you know, what is itsconnection to the Betlehem Star?
So you'll just have to uh betalking directly.
(09:43):
I'll be talking directly to youon this one, and I'll be doing
much of the same stuff as we didhere.
Although Joe and I willoccasionally run some special
alien talk podcast together.
So say, you know, wheneverthere is a particular ET or UFO
topic that comes up that wethink is worthwhile airing, and
we can bring it on this one.
(10:05):
But overall, I think our nextstep to start something focusing
more on the Bible andChristianity and lists on aliens
will be refreshing to somepeople out there who have been
following us for a while.
And it is quite apparent thatuh issues of religion and faith
have you know have always beenuh always shown to be very
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important to, I mean, well, Iguess uh pretty much everybody.
And and as it is, you and Iboth have backgrounds in
ministry, apologetics, theBiblical studies.
And so I think we have a lot tooffer in a uh a forum based on
these kinds of relateddiscussions discussions.
So, and before we move on here,I want to give a you know, Joe,
(10:50):
I think you would agree, wewant to give a big shout out to
our listeners in Australia, suchas you know, Sydney, Melbourne,
and uh Bisband, because youguys love us out there.
You you have all been uh thenumber one top listener cities
for for a good time now.
So please keep that momentumgoing with with me at the Alien
Image podcast.
And also for those of you whowondered if we can do an episode
(11:13):
on the Buga Sphere, I amplanning on uh doing that
episode soon, so because I toosaw a silver sphere earlier this
year just solvering up in thesky.
So more to come about that.
So now let's uh turn to today'stopic.
Joe (11:29):
I agree with you.
A big heartfelt thank you toall the listeners out there
around the world who havelistened in and you know
downloaded our podcast over thelast four and a half and a half
years.
Yeah, we couldn't have done itwithout you.
I agree with you on that, Lori.
Laurie (11:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yep.
So now the um what we'reexcited to discuss, the man
Yosef bin Metalyahu, betterknown to us all as uh Josephus.
In Bible college, we've studiedhis book as part of our
curriculum.
And we you know we know him asa Jewish historian who is often
referred to as the Christiantheologians as a as a
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significant writer who depictswhat uh society was like in the
first century A.D., which ofcourse is the time of the life
of Jesus.
Now, Josephus was was not aChristian, but his work has been
credited as being one ofnon-biblical sources that
significantly confirms theauthenticity of New Testament
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narrative.
Yet many people probably don'tknow this, but he documents the
appearance of a very strangeaerial phenomenon over
Jerusalem, and it was supposedlywitnessed by much of the
population there at the time.
So we must ask, what exactly isthis thing he mentions, and is
there a possible connection toit being something
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extraterrestrial?
More importantly, does it tiein at all with the you know
recent discovery of three eyeAtlas, the interstellar object
that entered our solar systemjust a few months ago, and has
been on so many news feet?
So, you know, we'll get intothat shortly, and I'll get into
that even in more detail with myfirst episode on the alien
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image.
Joe (13:13):
Right, so to start off with, Flavius Josephus, which is
the Latin name by which he isknown, he is a very enigmatic
and polymathic figure.
I mean, he wears several hatsthroughout his life: a Pharisee,
a rabbi, an orator, a soldier,and a politician.
And he was born into a noblepriestly family in Jerusalem in
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37 AD, which is just a few yearsafter the crucifixion.
Josephus' upbringing provideshim with a deep understanding of
the Mosaic Law, Jewish history,and Greek philosophy.
He was well educated, andbecause of that, he quickly rose
to prominence as a teacher andleader within the land of Judea.
Then in 66 AD, just shortlyafter the death of the Apostle
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Paul, the Jewish revolt againstRome had erupted.
It would be the first one offive over the span of seventy
years.
Josephus was appointed by theSanhedrin as a military
commander to the province ofGalilee, yet despite his efforts
to organize and mobilize asubstantial force, the
overwhelming power of the RomanTenth Legion, the one led by
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Vespasian, it proved to be toogreat.
That army was nearlyinvincible.
So after a prolonged siege atJotapata, which is not far from
the town of Nazareth, Josephusand his men were captured, and
according to his own account, hesurvived by surrendering to
Vespassian.
Now at that point he made asmart move and proclaimed a
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prediction that the Romangeneral would soon become
emperor.
Vespasian liked hearing thatand thus spared Josephus' life.
And right after this he becamesomething of an official liaison
or a diplomat between theRomans and the Jews, and he
showed preference or revreverence to that position by
adopting the family nameFlavius, so as to honor his new
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patrons of the Flavian dynasty,which included Vespasian and
also his son Titus.
Laurie (15:14):
Right.
Joseph, or sorry, Josephes,Josephus, earned the trust of
Vespasian, Vespaspian, intongue-tied tonight, and became
a very close confidant andadvisor, even accompanying the
uh 10th Legion during the siegeand eventual destruction of
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Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
After this, Josephus wasgranted Roman citizenship and
lived under imperial patronagein the city of Rome, where he
devoted himself to writing.
Josephus's first significantwork was called The Wars of the
Jews, which was completed around75 A.D.
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And it provides a detailedaccount of the Jewish revolt
against Rome, the events leadingup to it, and the war's
aftermath.
And he sought to explain thecauses of the conflict and
present the Jewish perspectiveto the Roman audiences while
also attempting to justify hisown actions during the war.
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And then in 94 AD, Josephuswrote his next book, The
Antiquities of the Jews, acomprehensive history of the Jew
of the Hebrews from creation tothe outbreak of the Jewish
revolt.
Written in 20 volumes, thisexhaustive work aimed to
demonstrate the richness ofJudaic history, language,
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culture, and traditions to aGreco-Roman audience.
And Josephus knew or drew uponOld Testament sources as well as
his own knowledge andexperience to craft a narrative
that uh emphasizes the uhcontinuity and dignity of a
Jewish heritage.
Joe (16:59):
So, yeah, Josephus' prediction or prophecy about
Vespasian's rise to powergreatly impressed this Roman
general and it secured hisfavor.
So once Vespasian ascended tothe throne, Josephus enjoyed the
privileges of a Roman citizenand lived comfortably in the
capital.
He remained close to theFlavian family, which gave him
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access to the imperial librariesfor his historical writings,
and of course, one of those wasthe Septuagint, the Greek
translation of the OldTestament.
Most scholarly work back thenwas in Greek.
Josephus's were no exception.
Now, one of the most debatedaspects of Josephus' writings is
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his reference to Jesus Christ,as you mentioned already.
In Antiquities of the Jews, hedescribes Jesus as a wise man
and acknowledges crucifixionunder Pontius Pilate.
This passage is specially knownas the Testimonium Flavianum
and is very brief, and itsauthenticity has been heavily
contested by scholars for manyyears.
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Most agree that Josephusrecognized Jesus as being a
significant figure in firstcentury Judea, even calling him
the Christ, thus providing anearly parallel account of the
gospel.
He references John the Baptistas well.
Yet by the same token, Josephuswas not a direct witness to the
life and ministry of eitherJesus or John the Baptist.
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He wasn't even around untilwell after Jesus' crucifixion
and well after the death of Johnthe Baptist.
Many ancient texts may prove tobe authentic, however, the
accuracy of the source materialis often considered to be weak,
sometimes very weak, even forthose ones thought to be
apostolic.
Meaning we might be confidentthat the author, the named
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author, did write it, but thathe was writing about what may
not be factual or at leastcannot be verified by firsthand
accounts.
And actually, sometimes we'renot even confident of that.
Sometimes we're not evenconfident that the name on the
manuscript is the name of theauthor who wrote it.
Laurie (19:04):
That's right.
But I mean, Josephus waswriting down stories that he had
heard, and you know, there aresome who uh even think that the
the testimonium uh flavinium isnothing but a uh redaction
created hundreds of years laterby you know the church leaders.
Like you said, the wholepassage is pretty short and
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brief, and it says, Now therewas about this time Jesus, a
wise man, if it be lawful tocall him a man, for he was a
doer of wonderful works, ateacher of such men as received
the truth with pleasure, he drewover to him both many of the
Jews and many of the Gentiles,and he was the Christ.
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And when Pilate, at thesuggestion of the principal men
amongst us, had condemned him tothe cross, those that loved him
at the first did not forsakehim, for he appeared to them
alive again the third day, asthe divine prophets had foretold
these and ten thousand otherwonderful things concerning him,
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and the tribe of Christians whoare so named from him are not
extinct at this day.
So, I mean, the the firstcouple lines uh I I don't know,
I I can't see how this isactually added in there by
people who later in Christianitythat put that in there.
It seems like this man wasprobably Joe uh Josephus writing
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this, and because he does sayin other parts of the book that
it's like he's there as he'switnessing the light and
everything that shines down onuh on over the city, and he
talks about the you know thewell we'll get into it.
So, but anyway, this thatexcerpt I just read from uh read
from is is from the Antiquitiesof the Jews, book 18, chapter
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3, from the works of Josephus.
Translated, but this wastranslated by a William Weston X
Hendrickson publishers back in1987.
Joe (21:03):
Yeah, and then as far as that dispute about redactions,
you have to realize at the timethey were only you know so many
people had control and access toyou know some of these
manuscripts, so they would beable to change things without a
whole big huge piece of thepopulation knowing about it
until maybe centuries later.
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They look at this from in termsof stylistic uh authorship and
penmanship.
Again, it's disputed that thereare many who do not think it is
a redaction, and there havebeen other scholars who look at
it, you know, particularly withthe Greek version and see some
differences in penmanship.
But then again, you know, oneperson can vary his penmanship,
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you know, even in writinganything.
Uh we see plenty of examples ofthat.
So it just it's just hard tosay.
We don't know exactly.
It's a it's heavily debated.
But regardless, uh FlaviusJosephus is considered one of
the most important sources forunderstanding Jewish life and
society in what is called theSecond Temple Period.
His works remain invaluable tohistorians and theologians
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alike, offering insight into thesocial and political
complexities of identity,loyalty, and faith during the
time that the early church wasbeginning to form.
Really, anyone who is dedicatedto studying the Bible and the
history of Christianity'sorigins needs to have a copy of
Josephus.
Laurie (22:29):
Yep, I definitely do.
Me too.
Huh?
Joe (22:33):
Me too.
Laurie (22:34):
Yeah.
Now, probably the most strikingfeature found in Josephus is
his description of a comet thatI spoke about earlier that
reportedly circled the earth foran entire year.
According to his account, itappeared as a fiery sword, which
lingered in the sky and wasseen by many as a warning of
impending catastrophe.
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Such a prolonged appearance wasinterpreted by the people of
Jerusalem as a as a recipe ofdisaster, fueling anxiety and
speculation about the city'sfate.
And not only that, but he alsosays that even at three o'clock
in the morning, in the darknessof the early morning, it lit up
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the ground as it was as as if itwas like daytime.
It's like one of those bigbright harvest moons, I guess.
And but you can't help butwonder what the what the you
know the heck he's talkingabout.
And because comets don't dothat.
That would make it at least asas bright as the full moon, like
I said.
And he also wrote about anothercelestial sign.
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It was a star, also resemblinga sword that appeared to, again,
that appeared in the earlyhours of the month, Nissan,
which is I think that'scorresponding to period of like
March, April months in theGregorian calendar, somewhere
around there.
Same month as like Easter andPassover, by the way.
So, but now this star's unusualshape and its particular timing
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of its arrival were consideredhighly significant to anyone
versed in divination andastrology.
Because many people, or uh manyof them, interpreted it as a
supernatural omen of war andbloodshed, a sign of things to
soon come.
And the sword-like fromsuggested violence, that forms
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the sword, I guess, is what theythey would interpret it as
violence, because the sword is asymbol of violence that kills,
you know, violence, conflict,and suffering that all aligned
with the turbulent events thatdid indeed unfold in Judea,
which is the wars of the Jews,which is what Philphesus
Josephus had talked about.
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And perhaps the most airy anddramatic of Josephus' accounts
was the vision of the armies ofthe sky, which were seen
circling above Jerusalem.
And he describes witnesses whosaw ranks of soldiers and
chariots moving through theclouds, seemingly preparing for
battle.
So this astonishing spectaclelasted for days and was so
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convincing that many believed itwas a sign from God foretelling
the coming war and the eventualdestruction of Jerusalem.
So just Josephus emphasizesthat these visions were not
isolated.
Multiple people reported themand were widely discussed at the
time.
And so, I mean, with that, thatprobably not visions at all,
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but maybe actual, you know, UAPsup in the sky, ancient sky.
Joe (25:38):
Well, Josephus' description of these aerial phenomena
played a significant role inshaping ancient and later
perceptions of Jerusalem's fate.
In his narrative, such signswere seen as divine warnings,
messages from the heavens thatdisaster was imminent.
And the vividness and drama ofJosephus' accounts continue to
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intrigue readers today, raisingquestions about the intersection
of history, legend, and thebelief in times of crisis.
Remember, it is uh isproblematic when any ancient
writer claims that somethingextraordinary happened and that
there were a whole lot of otherfolks who directly witnessed it,
yet we don't know who they are.
No names or testimonies wereever written by them.
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We run into the same thing inMatthew 27: 51, where right
after Jesus dies on the cross,the ground shook and the rocks
split open, and dead holy peoplecame out of the tombs and
walked around being seen by manypeople.
And again in 1 Corinthians 15: 6, Paul claims that more than (26:36):
undefined
500 people encountered the risenJesus before his ascension.
Who were they?
And do we have any accountsfrom them?
The answer is no.
And that means with all ofthis, whether in Josephus or in
even the Synoptic Gospels, it isa whole bunch of reporting that
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is removed by the authorthrough witness statements that
are, you know, secondhand, thirdhand, fourth hand, often even
beyond that.
So with a lot of books fromback then, even ones considered
as historical record, we findthat corroboration and
confirmation of accuracy is notas much of importance as is the
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effectiveness of making the mainideas of the narrative resonate
with the reason, readers.
Josephus wrote in a similarmanner, these strange aerial
phenomena that are described inthe wars of the Jews, the comets
circling the earth, thesword-shaped star, and the
armies in the sky, theydemonstrate how extraordinary
events were interpreted asomens, importance in the ancient
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world.
So seeing things in the skywere taken very seriously as
they were to believe to be verysignificant in their meaning
towards the affairs of men.
And this is where a lot oftimes we see factual record and
fable begin to overlap.
Whatever it was thatastrologers said back then was
listened to by kings, emperors,generals, scribes, everyone.
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Something said to be a cursewas a big deal to them.
So in the context of Josephus'writings, this was all meant to
be seen as a prelude to the endof an error, not so much being
concerned over accuracy ofdetails.
The importance of this error isthat Jerusalem was the center
of Jewish thinking and Jewishfaith and Jewish identity, and
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it is now the end of an age.
It is now the end of the age ofthe temple of the Lord, and
that's very significant to theJewish nationality, especially
in the first century.
Laurie (28:37):
You know, Joe, a lot of people, this is why a lot of
people believe that the rapturealready took place.
They they believe the rapturetook place during that time that
you spoke about after Christdied, because um it did say that
Jesus always said, I'll soonreturn, like soon, very soon,
very quickly.
Yeah.
And when he died, it's justthat people rose from the dead
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and were walking around.
So that is spoken about by Paulin, of course, one of his
letters to Thessalonians, sayingwhere the dead in Christ will
rise first, and then we wouldstart alive and remain will be
caught up to meet the Lord inthe in the air.
And you know, I don't know.
We don't know, maybe thingsweren't documented.
Some things weren't documented,such as did these circling
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armies in the sky going aboutthe clouds, did they take people
back then?
You know, because revelation isso is so direct when it comes
to saying one person, two peoplewill be in the field, one will
be taken, the other left.
We don't know, you know, maybethese things were left out, left
undocumented to to any of thewritings that we have today.
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Um you have any thoughts onthat?
Joe (29:44):
And of course, I've always, you know, kind of wrestled with
the meaning of you know, I willreturn soon.
Okay.
Soon means, yeah, within atleast a year.
I I don't know to this kind ofstretch the idea that soon to
God could expand.
2000 years.
Yeah.
See people you know kind of uhproclaiming today.
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Yeah, when you read thesenarratives in the Synoptic
Gospels, and certainly when youread Paul, the idea is that he's
coming back soon.
He's not it's not gonna be, youknow, this undisclosed time of
century after century.
It's gonna be really soon.
And and in and truly, when yousee you know the sort of the
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social dynamics going on withthe early church, they were
expecting the end of an errorvery soon.
They were expecting thiskingdom of heaven to arrive very
soon, and that the fulfillmentof the gospel was going to be in
their lifetime, not in the 21stcentury.
You know, no, they werethinking in the first century.
Yeah, when this happened.
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And then you see it in themartyr movement that was very
prevalent in the first, second,third centuries.
The idea is that life here onearth is not really meaningful
or not the priority.
You see this theme very heavilyin Paul, but seek your eyes on
the things of heaven, not on thethings of earth.
So to give up your life here onearth for the cause of
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spreading the gospel and livingit as the life as a good
Christian, was that you foundthe better reward of going into
heaven.
And and that was gonna becoming soon.
So, yeah, you do kind of seethat that theme.
And yeah, I wonder in terms ofdocumentation.
We're lucky we have anythingfrom back then.
In my opinion, it's likepeople, you know, their ability
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to read and write back then, itwas this elite group of folks
who were scribes and educatedenough to to read and write, and
it was not the vast majority ofthe population.
So yeah, I'm sure there arethings that are left out of what
happened back then that eitherif they were documented, they
were lost, or like he said,weren't documented at all.
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That could very well beconceivable.
Laurie (31:55):
Yeah, and that's what I mean.
It's like we we've talkedbefore about how the uh you
know, the seven-year war duringthis time, this wars of the Jews
that uh Josephus was talkingabout, that was the seven years.
We we kind of uh compared thatto the seven-year tribulation
period because Nero's numberactually works out to 666 and
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the whole coin thing, the moneyof the beast is actually being
referred to as mark of thebeast.
Mark means money, all thatstuff.
So there's a good possibilitythat you know that all these end
times stuff that we're going onwith today has already
happened.
And you know, could it be thenthat you know the Roman Empire,
or not the Roman Empire, but theRoman Catholic Church, you
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know, began to set up Christ'skingdom on earth, paved the way
for Christ's kingdom on earth,which is as he says in the
Lord's Prayer, you know, thykingdom, our fathers are in
heaven, hallowed name, you know,thy kingdom come.
And you think about it whenwhat's the name of the
Constantine, when Constantinecreated Constantinople, it
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lasted for thousands for athousand years.
And remember, after after therapture and all of that stuff,
that's when the thousand-yearmillennial reign is supposed to
happen, Christ's kingdom onearth, and that's what
Constantinople means, is uh likeChrist's kingdom on earth, and
it lasted for you know athousand years.
So coincidence, yeah, I don'tknow, or it could be actual
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prophetic, you know, propheciescoming coming through and have
come and gone.
But anyway, so uh whether thesethese were actual that you're
talking about earlier, they'rethe actual astronom uh
astronomical events, or ifthey're symbolic depictions,
they reflect the anxiety andanticipation that that gripped
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Jerusalem throughout the eve ofthis destruction.
And this analysis posits thatthe events documented during
this time period can beinterpreted as genuine
unidentified aerial phenomena,UAPs.
Josephus demonstrated insightby incorporating these celestial
occurrences, which numerouswitnesses are reported to have
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seen with their own eyes.
And so this historical accountis frequently overlooked.
It's uh dismissed by manyreligious leaders and scholars
who they often characterizethese phenomena as angelic
beings preparing for thiscelestial battle.
However, if these purportedarmies in the sky were said to
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have been observed by ordinaryindividuals, then it is
imperative that we connect thedots and accurately identify
these events as potential alienintervention or possibly an
invasion.
Uh so consider the context.
A comet was initially observedin the sky.
It was followed by a luminousobject that hovered over the
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city for about 30 minutes atlike three o'clock in the
morning.
So subsequently, a fantasticand you know significant
conflict ensued during which thepeople of Judea reportedly
witnessed a large fleet in thesky characterized by you know
round chariots navigatingthrough the clouds in a
formation that surrounded thecity.
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So, I mean, it does make youwonder if we are due for a
repeat of these kinds of eventsby another visiting comet,
which, and you know the the oneI'm talking about, which we
spoke about in our last episode,and that is three eye Atlas.
And I mean, it has been coveredquite a bit now.
According to several newsoutlets, it is now claimed that
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it has brightened and afterapproaching the sun or passing
the sun, wherever it is rightnow, and you know, it now it's
also accelerating.
And I think it went from like136,000 miles per hour to like
157,000 now, and it's not it'snot done uh due to gas emissions
that uh occur naturally oncomets.
(36:02):
Again, we we're not saying thatit is for certain an alien
starship, but I mean, we don'tknow for sure due to the
scientific explanations for itsunusual behavior.
But yet, when we think of thethe omen that revealed in
Josephus about what the cometforetold to the people, you
know, are we in are we to viewthree Atnis in the same light?
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A great disaster happened afterthat comet, the Jewish nation
who you know essentially came toan end in its capital
Jerusalem, a a beacon not onlyof the earthly wealth and
greatness, but also of aspiritual covenant with the
heavenly God was completelyleveled, destroyed.
So, with all the you know theturmoil turmoil going on in the
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world today, could this cometalso be an omen of a similar
type that is signaling adestructive things to come?
I mean, this hope not, right?
Joe (36:58):
Yeah, for sure.
Let's hope not.
Yeah, bad things are definitelyhappening all over.
Watching the news, we usuallydon't see very much in the way
of positive stories beingreported anywhere.
It's important to always keepin mind that bad things have
always been going on.
And there were times whenthings were even far worse than
they are today.
Uh, living as a Jew in thefirst century Jerusalem
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certainly seems like it wouldhave been such a time.
With three eye atlas, what ismaking it kind of a special
comet compared to otherthousands and thousands of
comets sightings from over thecenturies is that it is
interstellar, and it is only oneof three that have been
assessed by scientists to havecome from deep space, all three
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of them being discovered withinthe last eight years.
Now, this designation is givendue to it having a very
hyperbolic orbit around the sunthat puts its trajectory as
coming from somewhere extremelyfar away, even for a comet.
And that added to some of theother characteristics notice
about it, such as its size, itscomposition, its spectroscopy,
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its strange velocity anddirectional changes, sort of
which seem to defy the laws ofcelestial mechanics and
gravitation.
It can make anyone wonder ifit's not perhaps something else,
some intelligence or somethingcontrolled by an intelligence.
And when we learn about storiesfrom the past that tell of
bizarre sightings andoccurrences that seem to have no
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explanation with what likeJosephus is mentioning, we're
left to wonder if everythingextraordinary and unusual isn't
somehow part of something muchlarger at work, if there isn't
one answer that satisfies all ofthese mysteries.
And I think the answer thatmany of us seek is one that
points to these things as notbeing of this world.
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Hence our proclivitycontemplates the notion that
there exist intelligent beingsand forces, whatever they may
be, uh, that originate frombeyond the earth that we here
you know call home.
Of course, we all want to knowwhat those astral images are
that Josephus ascribes and ifthey are related to what we are
finding out now with the cometor interstellar object 3I Atlas.
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Is it going to be the samething of sorts?
Aside from the literaryevidence, we are hard pressed to
find any proof of Josephus'syear-long bright comet hovering
over Jerusalem, for that matter,the Star of Bethlehem hanging
right above the spot where theinfant Christ was said to be.
So it is really hard to say ifwe can assign any significant
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meaning to these kinds ofstories about things observed in
the sky when that's all we haveare the stories.
Laurie (39:38):
Well, more reports are emerging about three-eye atlas
and its unusual behavior.
I mean, as as it approached thesun, it it brightened, like I
said.
And but what's raising eyebrowsis that it it hadn't it hasn't
developed a tail.
Something we typically expectfrom comets.
And I however I think it'sstarting to now, last I checked.
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But anyway, instead it's uh itit is producing carbon monoxide
and nickel and has changed itstrajectory towards Earth now.
And it's it seems like nowthey're saying it's breaking
apart into several pieces andchanging its color from red to a
blue hue.
So could this be a mothershipsplitting into smaller craft?
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Sounds straight a sounds likestraight out of a movie like
Independence Day, which is ascenario I really hope isn't
true.
But anyway, it's odd behavior,is is why the scientific
community is is getting anxiousnow.
And it is all over socialmedia, and there's even a
self-proclaimed remote viewerwho appeared on British TV
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claiming that uh theManhattan-sized ship holds about
five million reptilian aliensthat are asleep in pods,
suspended in a uh deep sleep,and on their way to reclaim
their planet after thousands ofyears.
So when I read when I readscriptures like those from
Revelation, hearing someone talkabout pods crashing from space
(41:05):
and beings emerging to tormenthumanity, it really makes you
wonder, doesn't it?
Joe (41:10):
Well, I I suppose we'll find out more right around the
time of the holidays.
Laurie (41:14):
Yeah.
unknown (41:15):
Yeah.
Joe (41:15):
Personally, I I think what we can expect will come from 3i
Atlas is that it will pass fromour solar system, just as
Oumuamua and Borisov did.
And we will make some good,clear observations of it with
all of our capable telescopesand detect various emissions.
Data will be collected andgathered, measurements and
analysis will be made.
In the end, we will have morequestions than answers, and
(41:38):
there'll continue to be a heckof a lot of speculation about
what it truly is.
Some will say it is nothingmore than a comet, and others
will reaffirm their positionsthat it is a piece of some kind
of extraterrestrial technology.
Perhaps I may sound a littlecynical, but I I think we'll be
no better or worse off than weare now, and none the wiser for
(41:58):
it.
If it does truly turn out to bea large alien star destroyer
type of ship coming to Earth,then I say we have bigger
problems than just me beingwrong.
That would definitely be thecase now, wouldn't it?
Laurie (42:13):
Third time's a charm, Joe.
Joe (42:16):
Indeed.
Let's hope that's this is not acharm.
This is a bad thing.
Let's hope third time is not acharm.
So that will conclude thediscussion.
Now, Laurie, people out therehave to know, I have to know,
out of the 109 episodes, wecan't count this one, which one
of them was your favorite?
Laurie (42:37):
That's a hard question.
I actually like a lot of them,of course, because we created
them.
But I like Valiant Thor.
That was a good one.
The Galactic Federation one isa nice one too.
But I think my favorite wouldhave to be the Reptilians,
Aliens of a Sinister Kind.
Yeah, that one.
Joe (42:57):
What's yours?
You know, I I've thought aboutthat for a while.
So there were some shows we didthat we were clearly more
passionate about than others,and I think that came across in
how we delivered some of thetopics and with how much time we
devoted to discussing them.
Uh, you know, the secrets ofEnoch was one I really liked.
So was the one about UFOs andancient art and the uh
(43:19):
clandestine NASA.
So many of them were reallygood.
However, I have to say myfavorite one was the Vatican
Archives.
I just really like getting intothe whole history of Europe and
the Catholic Church and talkingabout all the secretiveness of
it.
The idea that certain elitepeople from back in the Middle
Ages obtain recorded informationabout even more ancient
(43:43):
knowledge that was much moreadvanced and elaborate than we
ever thought imaginable.
That to me is just reallyfascinating.
And we think of the medievalpast or or even sometime, you
know, like the Victorian era, asbeing a time period when people
didn't know much or knewrelatively little, certainly not
as much as we know now.
(44:04):
Therefore, the thought of ofit, even if it's only
imaginative, that monks,bishops, and popes have
possessed things stashed awaydeep in the Vatican that prove
aliens do indeed exist and havebeen on our planet since the
beginning of time, I just thinkthat's that's great stuff for
the mind to ponder.
Laurie (44:22):
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, many of the subjects wegot into were really just
incredible to talk about.
I had fun doing them.
And I mean, they were verythought-provoking, very
in-depth, and very challenging.
I mean, we poured our heart andsoul into these episodes.
You know, they're very um,they're very challenging to the
established order of religiousthinking as well as scientific
(44:44):
thinking and and even politicalthinking.
So I I know we we would alwayswonder if the episodes would be
too short in their you know timelengths, but that was never a
problem.
We would always be able toreach 40 minutes, 50 minutes,
sometimes even an hour withthese shows.
And there was always plenty todiscuss, examine, and analyze.
(45:06):
It was truly a fabulous pursuitundertaken by us to learn more
about all these amazing things.
Joe (45:13):
Yeah, indeed it was.
So I'd like to wrap it up witha quote from Galileo, just
before he was put on trialduring the Inquisition, and that
is all truths are easy tounderstand once they are
discovered.
The difficulty is in actuallydiscovering them.
If there's anything to be takenaway from this, it is a humble
appreciation that there is somuch about the universe, so much
(45:35):
out there that we do not know,and that we must never cease in
our desire to continually seekout the most profound truths and
to keep our interest in doingso, and to keep our curiosity to
always be explorers.
So, Laurie, it has been anhonor to be your co-host on this
show.
It was a lot of fun, and Ithink we've made significant
strides into getting our namesand getting our subject matter
(45:56):
out there in podcast land.
So, thank you for what you'vedone to help us get here.
Good luck with your next one,and I hope everyone out there
listening will tune in to theAlien Image, in which Laurie
will present interesting topicsabout UFO encounters, government
program disclosure, ancientalien theory, and all facets
concerning the notions ofextraterrestrial life existing
(46:17):
far out among the stars, or evenhere close to our planet.
So check it out.
Lori again, best of luck, and Ihave a feeling we'll be teaming
up here again in the nearfuture with our next podcast.
So, all of you, please keep alookout for it.
Laurie (46:32):
Yeah, it was a great honor to do this with you, Joe.
You also contributed a greatdeal of research, and we had a
lot of fun doing it.
And the podcast and the writingof our novel were awesome
experiences.
So, yeah, a big thanks to you,my friend.
And I'll be mentioning our newupcoming show uh throughout my
episodes and giving out thedates for that in order to keep
(46:53):
everyone apprised of when itwill be set to begin.
And of course, you can stilldownload any of these old
episodes and even our books.
Don't forget our books, ourlatest one, Battle Planet AD,
Relic of the Gods, it and uh theothers are available on Amazon,
Barnes Noble, Google, whereverthose outlets are.
(47:14):
And I really, reallyappreciate, we really appreciate
all the support you you allgave this uh podcast.
Joe (47:22):
Yeah, thank you, my friend.
And and yes, to all of you, uh,as we said, we who faithfully
tuned into our program over thepast four and a half years, and
and for all of the Facebookcomments and likes that you
posted, we want to thank you forthat.
Uh, you've all helped toinspire us to work harder and to
bring forth the plethora ofmaterial to present and discuss.
And we hope that you have founda dialogue to be intriguing and
(47:45):
maybe even uplifting in someway.
Laurie (47:48):
Yeah, uh, we'll certainly keep that Facebook
page up at least for a while, inaddition to the website.
So uh we'll continue to replyto any of you who wish to
contact us.
And like I said earlier, who'sto say we won't occasionally do
another Alien Talk Podcastepisode?
So there could very be well betopics that come up which uh we
think would be best put rightout here on this platform.
(48:11):
And yeah, we can come back todiscuss it.
And well, we never who knows,right?
After if if we determine thatthis is definitely an alien ship
that's coming towards us, maybewe uh do an emergency uh kind
of show then, you know, kind oflike an alien talk podcast
reunion for sure.
Joe (48:30):
Well, I like the idea of a reunion, but let's hope we don't
have to do anything like thatof you know, telling people
please seek shelter or seekescape.
So where are you where are yougonna go?
That's a problem.
So yeah, absolutely.
There's a very good chance thatwe will do just that and and
have uh another episode of AlienTalk Podcasts at some point in
(48:51):
time.
And finally, we can't forgetour wives and our families.
We want to sincerely thank themfor their encouragement and
support.
We especially want to expressour appreciation to our wives
for their patience with us forall the hours we had to set
aside for the research and prepand coordination to go on and
record these 110 episodes ofours.
(49:11):
We love you and thank you.
So, folks, it has been aprivilege for us to have been a
part of your list of podcastfaves and to have connected with
so many of you from so manyplaces.
The show may have ended, butthe message has not.
And with that, we hope for allof you out there to stay
engaged, to stay respectful, andmost of all, to stay curious.
(49:32):
So long, everyone.
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