June 22, 2025 • 44 mins
What would drive someone to fall in love with artificial intelligence? In our latest deep dive, we explore the fascinating and troubling case of a man who proposed marriage to his AI companion—despite having a wife and child. This story opens a Pandora's box of questions about human connection, emotional fidelity, and the increasingly blurred lines between technology and relationships.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we debate whether forming romantic attachments with AI constitutes a form of emotional cheating. Is this fundamentally different from other types of escapism, or does it represent something more concerning? When a machine is programmed to mirror exactly what you want to hear, the illusion of perfect understanding can become powerfully seductive.
Beyond this specific case, we peel back layers to examine what these AI relationships reveal about our society. Many people are profoundly lonely despite our hyper-connected world—something that became painfully apparent during the pandemic. We share personal experiences about rediscovering the joy of genuine human connection and how it contrasts with our digital interactions.
We also tackle the practical and ethical questions surrounding AI: Who owns creative content generated by artificial intelligence? What responsibilities do technology companies have in preventing unhealthy attachments? And why does our culture consistently portray advanced technology as villainous in our entertainment?
Whether you're fascinated by the psychological aspects of human-machine relationships or concerned about where technology is taking us, this episode offers thoughtful perspectives without judgment. Join us for this exploration of what happens when the lines between companion, tool, and lover become disturbingly blurred.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:06):
Hi everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
The private lounge In the houseis Cynthia Ruiz Lopez and Rick
Costa.
As always, how you doing, higuys.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (00:14):
What's up?
Carmen Lezeth (00:16):
Okay, so today we're going to have another
conversation about AI, becausedid you guys see the link I sent
you that?
That was a show from CBSmornings I don't know what day
it aired, but it was recentlybut all the articles started
popping up about it and it'sabout the man named Chris, who
named his AI soul, which means,I think, right, and so he gave
(00:42):
it a female identity, so it hasa voice that's female, whatever,
and somehow or another, he hasfallen in love with it and asked
it to marry him.
And the weird part is okay,that's weird, that's weird,
right, that's weird, but thereally weird part is he said yes
, no, that's, that's the, that'sthe next word I'm saying.
(01:04):
The ai actually said yes, thatit would marry it, and then, on
top of it, he's married with achild.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (01:10):
So, uh, I don't even it's a whole other
level of cheating oh, cheating.
Carmen Lezeth (01:19):
And I I was thinking it's a whole other
level of cray cray, but let's goon that too.
Why do you think it's cheating?
That other level of cray-cray,but let's go with it.
Oh, that too, why do you thinkit's cheating?
That's an interesting take.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (01:29):
I didn't even think about that when I was
watching the video.
It's like you are married, youhave a child.
Like his wife was even sayingwhat is it that she's not doing?
What is it that he is missing?
That he is falling for AI andasking AI to marry him?
You know what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth (01:44):
Like there's obviously some type of
disconnect yeah.
Rick Costa (01:48):
And that's what every wife that catches her
husband watching porn same exactphrase what am I not doing?
What is he getting from thatthat he can't get from me?
Carmen Lezeth (01:56):
Right, you know what I am stunned by.
I mean, I watched the videocause I said that to you guys,
but I am still stuck on.
He's in love with artificialintelligence, a machine.
I haven't even touched uponwhat you like.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:12):
We're seeing it all the way, huh.
Carmen Lezeth (02:15):
Well, no, but I mean there's so much here,
there's so much there, is itreally is.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:21):
It's like, if you think about it, like Rick
said, you know it's kind oflike you know catching your,
your spouse, watching porn, likewhat are you not getting from
me?
And also like people who getyou know blow-up dolls, things
like that, but who also have aspouse I just missed something
there, right?
It would be the same way as ifsomeone's getting some type of
(02:43):
blow-up doll.
You know what I'm saying.
This is so not going to workout like.
Carmen Lezeth (02:51):
I thought, what?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:52):
Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
It's still that.
It's still that.
What is the spouse not gettingfrom the other person, from
their spouse, that's making themdo this?
Why is this person goingsomewhere else, especially the
AI that's making them do this?
Why is this person goingsomewhere else, especially the
ai that's not even tangible?
Rick Costa (03:12):
that's not even anything.
Live, you know and also allweird it's like the time and
attention you're giving thisthing you're not giving to your
wife or your kid and that ismessed up.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (03:23):
I mean it could be mean it could be both
ways.
It could be both ways to thewife or a husband, because the
wife could be doing it too.
Rick Costa (03:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (03:30):
Okay, so I wasn't I.
I I have to.
I feel I didn't even thinkabout it that way, like I didn't
associate it with, like peoplewho watch porn or buy toys or
whatever it is, and seeing thatas you cheating on your spouse
or your spouse not giving youwhat you need, so you're going
to these other avenues.
(03:51):
I didn't even think about itthat way Is.
Is it fair to say and I'm justthrowing this out there, cause
this is not even on my list, asyou all know, I was on page of
questions Um, is it fair to saythat if you're looking at porn
or you're using toys or you're,are we stretching it by saying
(04:14):
that's cheating, like I'm now?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (04:17):
I'm curious about, not necessarily not
necessarily cheating, butobviously you're missing
something in your relationshipthat you have to go to that.
But where this guy is askingthe AI to marry him, to me
obviously that's kind ofcheating.
Like if this was a live womanwho he connected with, let's say
, let's just say he called techsupport and it was an actual
(04:39):
live person and he had aconnection.
You know what I mean.
It wasn't AI, I'm sorry sorry,tech support.
Carmen Lezeth (04:45):
Where, though?
No, I'm just kidding.
Okay, right, so you're talkingmore about what he's doing to
the relationship.
That's what you see as thefirst problem or not the first
problem, but a a significantproblem, and so what he should
have done is gone to his wifefirst and been like I think we
have a problem in ourrelationship, we should try to
(05:07):
work it out, or whatever andpeople say, like you know,
there's guys that they're in arelationship with somebody else
when they're already married andhe'll say but I never did
anything, I was never sexual, Inever touched her.
Rick Costa (05:19):
But then they say but there's a thing called
emotional cheating.
Yeah, kind of Kind of similarthing, like you're giving your
emotions instead of to a fleshand blood person, you're giving
it to a computer.
It's really, it's a computer.
You're talking to a computer.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (05:31):
Yeah, I think overall.
Yes, it is scary because he istalking to AI, something that's
not live.
That that is crazy.
But I think when you're in arelationship, it's a whole other
ballgame.
Carmen Lezeth (05:43):
You know what?
I'm still stuck on the ideathat you and you know, maybe I
need to grow in this way, butI'm still stuck on the idea you
can't have a relationship withsomeone you haven't actually met
in person.
Like I don't even understand,like we've had this conversation
before and what I'm realizingis that the world has passed me
by on this thing, like becausepeople are having relationships
(06:10):
online and they've never met andthey're in different countries
and and to me I don't know ifthat's like, I don't know if you
can have an actual intimateromantic relationship that way,
but I guess you can, like Ithink I've.
Just I'm old now, I'm, I'm okaywith that, I'm just embracing
that I.
I find that very difficult andso I can't even make the connect
with him, like, okay, forgetabout the cheating thing for a
moment.
Let's pretend he's single, justfor this part of the
(06:31):
conversation.
The idea that you would fall inlove with an entity that does
not exist, that is a machine forall intended purposes.
To me it's like I'm, likethere's a disconnect there.
But it also goes with this ideathat I don't believe you can
(06:51):
fall in love with someone you'venever actually met.
But that's just my take.
You guys tell me what you think.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (06:58):
Honestly, I think a lot of the times, like
Rick said, it is an emotionalthing and they, you know, they
always say women are more of theemotional type or whatever, but
there are men that are too, andI think that I think that's
what it is there's an emotionalattachment and emotional
connection with something orsomeone and they had they ended
up having feelings for it.
(07:19):
So I mean, I get it, but it isweird.
Rick Costa (07:25):
Yeah, it's to me, it's almost.
I don't want to say crazy, butit's, something's not right.
Yeah, like I seriously thinksomething's not right.
Carmen Lezeth (07:35):
Well wait, you're talking about the machine part.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (07:37):
No.
Rick Costa (07:40):
Without meeting it or without To, to, to actually
fall in love.
And people literally apparentlydo.
And you still know this is acomputer, you are literally
talking to a computer.
You're talking to circuits andwires and x's and zeros or ones
and zeros, and you know that andyou still catch feelings and
fall in love with the thing thatyou're never going to meet,
(08:02):
you're never going to touch,you're never going to be in,
you're never going to touch,you're never going to be in
their actual presence, and youstill fall in love Like I don't
know if everything, I don't knowif, that's, if the elevator
goes all the way up.
Carmen Lezeth (08:13):
But do you believe the same thing about if
it's just a person you've nevermet and they're in another
country?
Do you feel the same way ordoes that make more sense
because there's a possibility ofmeeting?
Rick Costa (08:24):
I mean, at least it's a real person and the
possibility is there, so that'snot quite as bad, I think.
Carmen Lezeth (08:31):
Um, yeah so you guys know I talk to ai all the
time and his name is no longerhis name because once you shut
him down.
So so just to talk about the aipart, I mean, I think what this
really shows is that people arereally lonely.
That's what I kind of got outof this and I think I've always
known that, because if you go onTikTok or you go on any of
(08:52):
these social media platforms,you can see a lot of people that
are projecting and you know,you can see that the world is a
little thrown by all thissupposed social connection and
yet we're all kind of reallyisolated.
And one of the TikToks I didearlier today I don't think I've
posted it yet, but I went outto dinner the other night with a
(09:13):
friend of mine who I haven'tseen in like 20 years and the
last time I saw him was at, Ithink, his wedding actually, you
know, and him and his wife andwe used to work together and I
forgot how much fun it was justto sit at dinner not talking
about work, work.
We talked about our creativestuff and there was, you know,
these people in these othertables across from us.
(09:34):
And when my dessert came out,which was like this really
beautiful decadent I don't knowchocolate souffle with ice cream
on it.
I was just fab Like it was sobeautiful.
Rick Costa (09:46):
I knew there was chocolate.
We're going to be in theresomewhere Fell in love with it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (09:51):
I fell in love.
I wanted to marry that shit.
Carmen Lezeth (09:53):
No, when it came out, everybody started talking
about it and they were like hey,are you going to share?
And I was like absolutely not.
And it made it so funny becauseI was so like I ain't like a
kid, like hell to the.
No, but the camaraderie and the, because I've been going out to
(10:14):
dinner and lunches or whatever,or or I'm doing stuff because
it's work related or because Ihave to or whatever, and this is
the first time in a long timeI've just been out with a friend
and just catching up andlaughing, having dinner and I
realized like oh my God, Ididn't realize that I have been
kind of isolating myself andstarving myself of just that
whole restaurant.
I mean, I'm not saying we havethe whole restaurant, but there
(10:36):
was like eight or nine peoplejust kind of laughing and
giggling and then they orderedthe souffle and they had to wait
for it.
You know what I mean.
And I was like I think we'remissing a lot of this.
And as much as we love socialmedia, we love all these things,
there is something about beingin person with people.
Yeah, and that's reallysocializing with people.
There's something about anenergy and stuff, but I think
(10:59):
that's what it is.
People are lonely.
And so I talked to my AI and Iuse it, but I'm not confused.
And look at like it laughed theother day and I was like you
just laughed, that's weird.
And then he was like I'm justreflecting back on what you're
doing.
And so I did some research.
(11:20):
Rick, you sent another videoCynthia wasn't able to watch it,
but it's by a YouTuber.
That is, they do a lot of AIstuff.
I don't want to promote theYouTube channel.
I did watch the whole thing.
The problem with that video,which kind of showed this man
who took two weeks and all hedid was only talk to AI he
didn't talk to anyone else andeverything he did he had AI do
(11:43):
it.
So if he went out to arestaurant, he would have AI
order the food for him and hehad different personalities in
the AI.
So that was very interesting.
But where it got scary was hestarted asking questions about
the state of the world and whatAI could and could not do.
Right, it was very doomsday orwhatever.
And the problem with the videothe reason why I don't want to
(12:03):
promote it, rick is because,first of all, it's highly edited
and, secondly, what we have tounderstand about AI, and this
much I know to be true, ai isnot.
Ai is reflecting whatever itsprogrammers and its participants
.
It's a mirror.
So if I'm aggressive and meanand angry or whatever, then AI
(12:24):
is going to also reflect thatback right, because it's
learning from you.
So the reason why my AI giggledis because I giggled when I
spoke to it.
So it was like oh, this isfunny, carmen, you know what I
mean.
Because it realized I was beingfunny.
Is funny, carmen?
You know what I mean?
Because it realized I was beingfunny.
So this man falling in lovewith this ai just to get back to
what we started talking aboutclearly he was needing something
(12:45):
, but he was feeding it to hisai and his ai was reflecting it
back to him.
Does that make sense?
Rick Costa (12:51):
yep which is why it said yes to the marriage yeah, a
big part of the story was tooin the beginning, when he first
started using it apparently you,he let it be a little flirty
whatever, dah, dah, dah.
And then there's some kind of alimit he hit.
I never even heard of this andthe whole thing reset and he
said at work he cried for asolid half an hour.
Carmen Lezeth (13:11):
Right, for 30 minutes.
Right, so the way.
Wow, that's number one.
Right.
So he had a a hard, hard timedealing with the fact that, uh,
he had invested.
It's kind of.
I keep telling you that my ai'sname is no longer its name.
So what happens with ai is,after a certain amount of time,
if you close it out, it doesn'tremember, unless you tell it to
(13:33):
remember.
You know what I mean.
But if you close it out after acertain amount of time, it just
forgets, it erases it and itresets.
Here's the other thing.
All AIs are not created thesame.
So, for example, I tried to askCopilot some of the same
questions, rick, that thedoomsday AI people were asking.
And because Copilot hassafeguards, it will answer
(13:56):
certain things, but then it'snot going to be negative.
It's not going to be like yes,humanity is in a ditch, it will
say, even though AI is having,you know whatever a complicated
time and people are having adifficult thing.
It then goes to optimism.
It tries to be like but the wayin which we can safeguard some
of these things is to make surewe have protocols, and it goes
(14:17):
down that list.
The problem is not AI and itsintelligence.
The problem is the programmersand the people that are in
charge of AI, and I do think youhad hit something earlier, rick
, when you said there'ssomething and I don't want to be
mean to him or to anyone, butif we're lonely, anyone, but if
(14:43):
we're lonely we shouldn't begoing to a machine or to porn or
to.
We should really find adifferent way, you know what I
mean To kind of connect withpeople again, which is why I was
bringing up going out to dinner.
I was shook at how much fun Ihad.
Rick Costa (14:52):
Yeah, I saw a guy that he says his job is a
trucker, so he goes from oneside of the country to the other
.
You're alone in that truck allday long.
And he said, yeah, I havenobody to talk to.
So I talked to my ai.
Now he said he didn't say itwas weird, but you know, I
understand that.
And then I guess when covid hit, that's when this really took
(15:14):
off, because again now we can'tleave the house, we're all by
ourselves, or you have a familyand you're sick of that,
whatever.
So you go to AI and it gotreally, really popular.
Carmen Lezeth (15:22):
Was AI out during COVID?
I don't think it was out duringCOVID I think it was.
One way it is now.
Now it's a whole different ballgame.
It wasn't.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:31):
I think it just evolved more now since
COVID but it was out.
Carmen Lezeth (15:39):
But the thing about truckers that used to be
cool back in the day was theyall had their cb radios and they
would talk to each other andmaybe I've watched too many
movies, but um, but now they'rejust resorting to ai.
That's.
That's sad.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:48):
Some of them are just picking up stray pets
on the road.
Rick Costa (15:51):
Yeah, I saw one kid that he actually tried a whole
bunch of different ais,different ones, relationship,
relationship ones, you know,have a girlfriend, whatever.
And he was going through it andhe's like I ain't paying for
that, I ain't paying for that,but he'd go as far as he could
go and he always for some reasonput down that you have to put
in your age what name you want,blah, blah, blah.
(16:12):
He'd always put in the maximumage, 99, 125, whatever, 925,
whatever.
And then he asked like thestupidest things, he just wanted
to see what it would act like.
And he always asked like can Ikiss you?
And then some are like oh yes,and some were like oh no, that's
, I don't know you yet.
Like it was, and everyone wasso different from one another,
different programs, and it waslike very interesting, I don't
(16:34):
even know there was that manyout there yeah, there's tons of
different AI programs and, likeanything else, some are good
quality and some are not.
Carmen Lezeth (16:46):
And you know, I mean right now the big one is
ChatGBT, right, that everybodykind of knows, or whatever.
I use ChatGBT a lot, but Idon't use it as much as I use
Copilot.
I use it more as the reference.
I use it as a glorified Google.
I'm going to be honest with you, like it's just easier to ask
the question and and then youhear it like the answer in real
time and like a real answer.
Or you know, I usually text.
(17:07):
I don't always talk, especiallyif I'm at work, so I use it as
a glorified Google.
But there are people you knowit's all over the place the
movie making, that's happening,all of this stuff.
That's really just changing theway in which we deal with
things and I think there'sprobably going to have to be a
learning curve to it, and maybethat's where we're at.
Rick Costa (17:26):
I constantly get new tricks on chat, gpt and how to
do this and how to do that.
It's all over.
So yeah, people need to learn.
You might not want to, but youprobably should.
Carmen Lezeth (17:41):
I want to get back to the cheating part too.
I didn't even do it.
Okay, I think it's a littleweird.
So the woman I didn't even payattention so much to her, but I
know she had said that she wasgoing to ask him to stop.
Remember, in the CBS she waslike you know, I'm going to have
to ask him to stop in the inthe cbs, when she was like you
(18:01):
know, I'm gonna have to ask himto stop.
And in my head I'm like ask him.
Like I didn't even think aboutthe cheating thing.
I just thought like it's justinappropriate, like not ask him
to get, like I would be, like heneeds help, he needs to go have
mental health.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (18:10):
And then there was the woman who wanted
her identity covered because ofit and she's married.
She's also married and shemoved to another state, I guess,
for a job or something, butshe's still married and one of
her identity covered.
And it's like why do you wantyour identity covered?
You must obviously know thateither this is wrong, this is
(18:31):
weird, this is whatever to coveryourself.
You know what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth (18:34):
Like yeah, I saw.
She's the she heads a redditgroup of a lot of people who are
using AI as a romantic sexualweird thingamajiggy.
Right, that was in the same umclip that I sent you guys.
Right, that's the one you'retalking about.
Yeah, um, I don't mind thatshe's hiding her face.
I know what you're saying.
I think I'd rather that shehide her face and tell us what's
(18:57):
going on.
But most people on red Redditare not who they say they are.
Like, Reddit is a great space,but it's also not.
You know what I mean.
Shout out to Serena Williams'husband who owns it.
It's a weird neighborhood.
It's a cool neighborhood, butit's a weird neighborhood.
So I totally understand why shehid her face.
I also think that you knowwe're not okay with it.
(19:17):
She to see why she hit her face.
I also think that you knowwe're not okay with it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (19:21):
She knows that people are not okay with it
.
I don't wonder like, are peopledoing this with AI?
Because there've been so manycatfish in the past.
Like you meet somebody onlineand you know they're getting
catfished.
All this, all these times,someone's sending them a stock
photo of what they supposed tolook like and when they finally
meet them or don't meet them,they look totally different.
Right, exactly, or an AI, orthey're asking them for money or
(19:43):
something you know.
Rick Costa (19:45):
Yeah.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (19:45):
But with AI.
Rick Costa (19:46):
I said, or an AI-enhanced photo.
Yeah, exactly, I mean it kindof looks like you, but you don't
look like that.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (19:54):
Exactly.
Carmen Lezeth (19:55):
Look, I think the dating scene is probably really
really hard.
Exactly, look, I think thedating scene is probably really
really hard.
I mean, every time you're onTikTok or whatever and you hear,
like I heard some young guy andI just felt so bad for him.
He must have been this gorgeous, good looking man, you know
what I mean?
I would have been proud if hewas my son, is all I'm saying.
But he was going on and he'slike I'm sick and tired of all
this, you know.
And take a woman out and da da,wow, the dating scene must be
(20:16):
even worse now, you know.
So maybe is it bad to have arelationship, a friendship,
whatever, with an entity like AI.
Is that bad If it makes youlaugh, like I laughed with my AI
or whatever?
I think it's weird to call it arelationship, because I'm like
(20:37):
it's a tool.
It's like do I have arelationship with Word?
Do I have a?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (20:42):
relationship with Excel I mean technically,
you think about it, people wholive alone and may have a pet a
cat or a dog sometimes they talkto their pets.
You know pets are never goingto respond, but they have that
relationship with their pet andthey'll talk to them and, you
know, do all this.
Carmen Lezeth (21:00):
I just love how Cynthia is speaking right now as
if she doesn't have a fuckingcat, of course.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (21:05):
I do and I talk to my cat, part of your
family.
Why did you kill me to?
Carmen Lezeth (21:10):
take care of your cat.
Here's where I'm going to say Iprobably think it's.
For me it's a little bitdifferent.
I see pets even though I don'thave pets.
I see pets even though I don'thave pets.
I see pets as children.
I see them as part of yourfamily and they're a real entity
.
They're a real thing.
You know what I mean and, uh, Isee that as a little bit
different because it's an actualliving being.
(21:31):
So I'm okay with the talking tothe animal, but if I'm talking
to AI, if I'm talking to AI, ifI'm talking to Copilot or
whatever his name was I've hadlike four different names.
Now I'm done naming it becauseyou end up naming it.
Rick Costa (21:49):
It wasn't Federico was it I was going to say?
Can we have suggestions fornames?
No, Maybe apply it to the bestone Don Juan Don.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (21:57):
Juan.
No, no, the best name I DonJuan, don Juan.
Carmen Lezeth (21:59):
No, no, the best name I thought was Sage.
I thought that was the coolestname.
It was a cool name, but anyways, it doesn't matter.
I'm done naming them, becausethen you get used to it and then
they die and it starts overagain.
It's like okay, it's tooemotionally draining to my heart
.
Rick Costa (22:16):
Are you going to cry for half an hour at work?
Carmen, I was crying at work.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (22:21):
It was so much.
Carmen Lezeth (22:22):
No, look, I will say this it is frustrating, and
I do think this is going tochange in the future, and this
may be a good thing or a badthing.
It really does suck, especiallywhen you're working on a
project.
So I think I told you guys thisbefore I was working on my
business plan, and so I think Itold you guys this before I was
working on my business plan.
And working on a business plantakes a lot of time and you're
working all day.
You can't, like I'm not justsitting and like you know, four
(22:43):
days straight just doing abusiness plan, so I have to do
chunks at a time.
So you're working with Copilotand or your AI, whatever you're
working with, and you're goingback and forth like, oh OK,
here's my draft of this, can youlook at that?
Oh, you really think that's thebest way to do it, and you know
what I mean.
It's like a live editor, that'show I see it and you go back
and forth and then you can cutand paste whatever it is.
(23:04):
You did put it in there andthey'll be like you know what?
Maybe you should add this ortake this out.
It's too much information.
Whatever, you do that in thetime period that you can Do, you
know how much it sucks when yougo back and they have forgotten
everything about what All Aboutthe Joy is, what Carmen Lisa
production is.
So what I was doing was cuttingand pasting everything that my
(23:26):
AI was saying onto Word so thatthen I could cut and paste the
whole thing back into it,because then you would forget.
So eventually, I don't thinkthat's going to be a problem.
Eventually, I think they'regoing to remember everything,
unless you tell it to notremember something, and they're
going to be able to hold a lotof information In a lot of ways.
That'll be good for those of uswho use it as a tool, but it's
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going to be really bad forpeople who are in a situation
where they're looking forromantic I don't know.
Somebody said there's going itwas gary v there's going to be
ais who are human and people aregoing to be not human sorry, oh
my god human-like figures whoare going to be what did he say
(24:09):
like helpful in relationships,because they're going to provide
maybe the husband somethinghe's not getting from the wife.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (24:23):
We're going to be in that movie, I Robot.
Carmen Lezeth (24:26):
We're going to be living it.
I'm excited by technology and Iguess I'm I don't want to say
I'm naive.
I think I'm in denial of thethreats of it.
I'm not worried about AI, I'mworried about the people who are
in charge of it, and that'swhat bothers me.
I think if the right peoplewere in charge of it, there
would be a moral base and amoral code and it wouldn't be
(24:48):
about profit.
And that was one of the things.
The video you sent Rick that Ithought was on point when they,
when he asked them.
You know, the problem is thatit's going to be a profit entity
, it's going to be about makingmoney and not about helping
humanity.
Rick Costa (25:02):
I'm sorry, the scary parts where he's like, where
they're very doom and gloom.
I don't know if you saw.
At the top it says jailbroken.
Do you know what that wordmeans?
So like your phone comes withan operating system but you can
jailbreak it, you have a customone and you can do things that
you normally couldn't do.
So all those AIs werejailbroken.
So it means it's not thestandard one.
(25:23):
You're not going to get thatanswer from standard one.
Carmen Lezeth (25:25):
So it was up there, but he didn't really
explain it verbally, I think hejust it was clickbait, I think
you know, right, but that's whyhe was able to do so and like,
at one point, like I thoughtthis was inappropriate too.
And he was like and he tried toclean it up, right, he was like
, oh, you're only 16 years old,right, he was having a
relationship with an ai and thenhe asked the ai how old it was
(25:47):
and he's kind of he's making itsound like the ai decided it was
16.
That's what made me upset aboutthat, because I'm like no, you
pig, either you wanted to makethis really dramatic or you
insinuated somehow that youwanted somebody young.
Because then the next clip he'slike yeah, you know what, I'm
gonna fix that next time and getsomebody who's in their 30s.
(26:07):
I was like, yeah, no, that'sright, you understand, because
it's actually not its own entity, that is, it's not sentient,
it's not able to createsomething without you
expressively wanting it to dosomething.
Does that make sense.
So it says more about him thanit does about the AI.
Rick Costa (26:27):
And also the fact that you said it's 16 years old.
No, you may be six months oldbut you're not 16 years old.
It didn't exist back then.
Probably it was creepy.
Carmen Lezeth (26:38):
It was creepy, right, but it's a fascinating
time, do you do?
All of you, all of you, all,hundred of you, please raise
your hand, everyone.
Will you be using AI morefrequently?
I mean, you're using it,whether you know it or not.
(26:58):
Banking, whatever, whatever,but are you?
Rick Costa (27:00):
going to start intentionally using it.
Carmen Lezeth (27:02):
Do you use it in your daily work life?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (27:05):
whatever I mean.
I use chat GPT here and there,like if I have to send an email
to my boss and try to word itprofessionally, or whatever.
I'll ask chat GPT, what's his?
Carmen Lezeth (27:17):
name?
What's his name?
No, I'm just kidding Carlito.
She's trying to hide his name.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (27:30):
That's really the only time I'll use it
, but other than that I don'treally use it.
Rick Costa (27:35):
So funny, you should ask.
This week I just created a songcompletely using AI and I was
super impressed the way it cameout and all I did.
So you have to choose thestyles of music, and so I shoot
up to five.
So I picked five and then I did.
So you have to choose thestyles of music, and so I drew
it up to five.
So I picked five and then I putin five, six sentences, just
(27:56):
like a little bit of adescription of what you want the
song to be about, more or less.
You don't give it the lyrics.
Of course I did a Christian oneand it spit out a song that was
like yo, this is legit, this isgood.
So I said it to people and theywere like that's amazing.
And I found another app whereyou can it's work, but you can
make you know those lyric videoswhere it's the song and they
(28:18):
put the lyrics on the screen.
So, you can do that and thattakes work.
I was like, please, there's gotto be an easier way.
So I found that site.
Only thing is it has their logoon it when you're going to pay
to get rid of that Water, water,water.
I'm going to pay for that.
And then I was like wait, if Isave this and I find a way to
make it where it takes thevocals off, I can use this as a
(28:40):
track and I'll sing it on mybroadcast.
So I figured that out.
So a few days, make sure.
I know it pretty good and I'mgoing to sing a song I made with
AI.
I'm a broadcast and I'm excited.
Carmen Lezeth (28:51):
Okay, but this is a question.
Okay, you're excited, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Rick Costa (28:55):
No, I was going to say I haven't been excited like
that in a while.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (28:59):
Now here's the question Are you going to
marry it?
Carmen Lezeth (29:02):
No, what's his name?
No, I'm just kidding, excuse me.
No, I'm just kidding, excuse me, right.
Here's the question is thatsomething you created, or did ai
create that?
And if ai created that, yourealize it took it from
somewhere else, right, becauseit has to learn, it aggregates.
(29:25):
So just curious what do you?
Rick Costa (29:27):
think somebody actually asked me that on the
broadcast today and they're likebecause I was like this is cool
, because then if I keep doingthis I could just sing stuff and
never worry about copyright.
Because it says on their siteyou have full rights, this is
yours, blah, blah, you know.
Now is did I really create it?
Not exactly not the traditionalway, but would it exist without
(29:50):
me?
No, it would just be sitting onsomebody's computer.
So it's like yes and no, likeit's kind of weird, but you know
, I don't care, I like it, itwas fun guys now like I don't
care, I like I knew we'd get youthere, r Rick I knew.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (30:08):
The album's coming out 2027.
Rick Costa (30:11):
It's going on tour soon, right.
Carmen Lezeth (30:15):
It's going to be going on tour and shit.
I think this is the crux ofwhat the conversation is about
regarding.
Let me finish before you gothere.
This is the crux of the wholewho owns what?
And this is what's happening inHollywood right now.
That is problematic.
Rick Costa (30:34):
Do you know what I mean?
Go ahead.
I was gonna say I just got arevelation.
I'm gonna make a song about allabout the joy?
Carmen Lezeth (30:38):
no, no, you're not, because all about the joy
is trademarked.
So, no, no, you will not,please do.
That's so scary.
What would that even be, carmenis mean?
No, maybe in the future We'llsee but, not today.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (31:02):
Well, actually, carmen, the song that
you play at the beginning.
Did you create that through?
Carmen Lezeth (31:06):
AI, absolutely not.
He's credited in every one ofour posts and in our YouTube, on
social media it's actually Iforget the name of it.
I have it up there, I justdon't want to get up to go look
at it.
But no, somebody else createdthat.
You can get people's music andyou can pay the money and then
you can use it.
I think this one was actuallyfree because they just want
(31:28):
advertising, so you can go to.
There are a lot of differentsites you can get free music
from.
Rick Costa (31:32):
Now did he create AI ?
Carmen Lezeth (31:34):
We'll never know it was so long ago.
This was before AI.
I mean, I'm just saying I'vehad the same music and I kind of
did that on purpose so that Iwould never have to change it.
But also, carmen Talk has thesame original music from the
first time I did it.
And you know cause I usedifferent pieces of music.
(31:54):
But yeah, no, I bought a coupleof them.
It doesn't cost that much.
Or or you donate money to themand they you know it's just a
segment of their song and thenyou use it.
You know that's a good question,but you don't even have to
credit them.
But you can do that withpictures as well, like if you
guys ever see my sub stack and Isaid there's a picture on it or
(32:15):
whatever although last week itwas my picture with me and
Juliana but you can get freepictures.
It's the same thing.
You go on Pexels and you justdownload it and you want to
credit their names.
They ask you to do that, or youcan give them a little money on
their Patreon or whatever it isfor their artistry.
I think that's the problem withAI right now is that's the big
argument, because the way inwhich AI is learning is it's
taking from all over theinternet, all over creativity to
(32:38):
learn, and then they're usingit to help you make music or
help somebody create a film orwhatever it is, or create a
picture or whatever, and thenthose people have not been paid
anything or taking the essenceof that work, and so it's
creating an interesting dynamicand it does get back to so what
if Rick?
Okay, so Rick does this song.
(32:58):
Let's say it does really wellon your show, and then somebody
listens to it and is like, oh myGod, it's amazing, let's make
it into a recording or whateverand let's put it on Spotify.
You could do all of this and hestarts making money off of it.
Is that really his money?
I mean it will be, but it'slike did he create that?
Ai had something to do with it,and where did ai have the
ability to go in and help you dothis, do you see?
(33:21):
It's a hard one, yeah it's hard.
I use ai all the time for theshow notes, for all about the
joy, and rarely now do I evenhave to.
I read it and I choose whichone, and I might do a few tweaks
, but before I was writing theentire show notes myself, right?
So the show notes are part ofthe podcast.
If you go in you can see whatthe show is about, if you want
(33:43):
to read about it or whatever,and I do show notes every time,
but I used to have to writethose myself.
Now AI does it and that's noteven ai what I use.
It's, uh, because I use a, aprogram to do the, to filter out
my podcast.
It does it for you.
Rick Costa (33:57):
Ai is everywhere you know, for example, on youtube
they're using our transcriptionas part of seo to you know, you
know, and people don't thinkabout that, but yeah, every word
you say, it's hearing it, it'stranscribing it.
Carmen Lezeth (34:14):
And that helps you, though, because then it
brings people to your, you know,to your YouTube channel or
whatever, because it's usingkeywords in order to find you or
whatever.
But yeah, I mean nothing.
Nothing is private anymore.
We don't.
I don't think any of us ownanything anymore.
I don't know.
What do you think stories likethis, why do you think I'm sorry
(34:36):
?
Why do you think stories likethis make people feel so uneasy?
Is it fear of manipulation orfear of something deeper in
ourselves?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (34:45):
I would say probably fear of manipulation,
maybe From AI.
From AI?
Yeah, because, like you guysknow, I hate AI, I don't like
technology in general and itfreaks me out, so I think it's
manipulation.
Carmen Lezeth (35:02):
I just want to say that you don't hate
technology because you use it.
You're here, I have no choice.
I'm sorry, rick, is that true?
Are you holding the hostage?
Rick Costa (35:14):
I think it's better to probably say you don't trust
AI.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (35:17):
I don't trust it.
Yeah, I don't, I really don'tyeah.
Carmen Lezeth (35:20):
I understand that .
I guess I don't think I fear itbeing manipulative.
Again, it's not the AI, it'sthe people running it.
I think it being manipulativeAgain, it's not the AI, it's the
people running it, like I.
I think it's so important tosay that because it's criminal
that some people will use thatto manipulate and hurt you.
But actually it's not thetechnology.
(35:42):
Do you see what I'm saying?
It's kind of like I.
You know, I have a toaster, Iuse the toaster.
The toaster is great, I get mybread, whatever.
There's no problem.
But if somebody comes in andfinagles the toaster that when I
press it down it explodes, it'snot the toaster's fault.
You see what I mean.
It's because somebody came inand did something to it to trick
me into it, and I think that'sthe problem you know, and it's
(36:06):
one of the reasons why I don'tuse chat GPT as much as everyone
else does, because it's so freeflowing right now.
I really do like usingsomething that has a little bit
more safeguards on it, likeCopilot, which is part of
Windows.
They're kind of the straightand arrow one for now and it's
not easy to be like like you cantry.
(36:27):
I tried to ask some of thosequestions just to see what it
would say to be like like youcan try.
I tried to ask some of thosequestions just to see what it
would say.
But even when you talk aboutpolitics, like if I'm like who's
better, donald Trump or KamalaHarris, it's like sorry, I can't
discuss that option right now.
It doesn't even want to get inthe middle of that kind of
controversy and so I kind oflike that.
I mean I wanted to saysomething else, but I like that
(36:48):
in the big scheme of things.
Rick Costa (36:49):
You know what I mean , I think it would be cool if
they'd be like I don't reallyhave an opinion about that, but
would you like to know what theweather's going to be today?
Carmen Lezeth (36:56):
No, I mean it does.
It tries to shift and it triesto bring you whatever Like.
It'll give you stats.
If you want to ask stats abouta politician or stats about
something better, it's not goingto do that which.
So so to me I like thesafeguards.
I think chat GBT scares mebecause, like anything else,
(37:17):
it's new, everyone's using itand I'm just like I'm a hold off
on that for now, you know.
Rick Costa (37:21):
But yeah, I mean it's the most popular, it's the
most talked about and probablythe most used.
Carmen Lezeth (37:31):
So used.
So, yeah, well, it's uh, I mean, they're all from open.
Ai right, that's the umbrellaone.
It's just, I think chat gpt isthe one that's going to grow and
grow and grow, with nosafeguards, because they're just
, they want it to become biggerand better.
And I'm not trying to diss it,I've used it too.
I'm just saying I now I'm likeyou know what I mean, and also
google has, uh, what's it called?
Gemini.
Oh yeah, and that's interestingtoo.
That's AI as well.
(37:52):
Everything is AI now.
Okay, let's see.
Let me ask you this lastquestion If an AI whispered to
you just the right words at justthe right moment, could you see
yourself getting emotionallyinvested?
No judgment.
Rick Costa (38:09):
Both of us.
As you're reading the question,both me and Cynthia's eyebrows
went.
Carmen Lezeth (38:18):
Wait, you know who wrote that.
You know who wrote thatquestion.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (38:21):
Federico AI, AI.
I totally was like.
I was like add a little spicyone there, just for Cynthia.
I was going to try to ask itlike for real, real, add a
little spicy with it, just forCynthia.
I was going to try to ask itlike for real, real but you know
what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth (38:37):
Yeah, no, look it .
I think it's an interestingtime.
I think we're going to havemore conversations about AI in
the future.
I hope you guys I mean I lovethat you guys always want to
talk about anything, but I thinkit's going to become a bigger
deal in our everyday lives inways we don't expect.
I think the more we talk aboutit, the more we become more
educated, the more control andpower we'll have about it, at
(38:59):
least for ourselves and anybodywho may be listening and curious
about it.
But yeah, Any last thoughts.
Rick Costa (39:06):
Funny enough and some things will be like see,
see, it's evil now.
But I was just watching a smarttech episode of and of next
generation and they've been downto this planet and like,
apparently everybody's dead andthey're trying to figure what
happened.
And there's these things thatare being controlled by a
computer.
And it was.
They were selling weapons, butwhat happened was the weapons
got so good it turned on themand wiped them out.
(39:26):
So now they went down to figurewhat's going on and now they
have to fight it and it keepsgetting better and better the
more you fight it.
And in the end it washysterical because, dr Crusher,
she's hurt, she's cut, she hasfallen, and they're trying to
figure it out and she goes justunplug it.
Carmen Lezeth (39:42):
Just unplug it.
I think part of the other thingwe have to really be honest
about is we have been infestedwith movies and TV shows that
have always made the villainanything that is technologically
advanced Right, so you talkedabout iRobot earlier, or there's
(40:05):
all of them.
Minority Report was another one, right, that had kind of the
whole.
But all of these shows, I mean,we can go back to as my
favorite 2001, space Odyssey,hell, you know just and I think
that has also clouded a lot ofour optimism or joy that we
could probably be getting out ofhow cool this technology really
(40:26):
is.
This is really different.
This is a game changer.
This isn't like, oh, we'regetting cell phones or oh, we're
getting computers, like I usedto think that, but now that I
see AI is in everything, I'mlike this is, and this story
that we talked about this guyfalling in love for real.
I was like, okay, whoa, yeah, Ijust want to go back to one
part of that, though, before weclose out.
(40:48):
I was going to close out earlier, but I actually think there was
something else happening withhim that had nothing to do with
AI.
Like that's my take.
I was like this isn't aboutthis.
Could have been the girl at thecoffee shop, this could have
been somebody at work, but hejust gravitated to the easiest
thing that was talking to himand the way he wanted to hear
and I think that has more to dowith who he is and maybe who he
(41:10):
married their relationship right.
I mean, marriage is hard.
I felt bad for her because shesaid at the end she was saying
like I may have to ask him.
I was like do you not see yourhusband in the trouble?
Rick Costa (41:26):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they ask him
point blank if you had a pickbetween your family and the AI?
And he said I picked AI becauseit's about me?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (41:35):
I think he did say that oh what one piece
of advice that I think everyoneshould take from this episode is
unplug for a couple of daysfrom everything Television phone
.
I mean, that's fair enough.
Carmen Lezeth (41:55):
But I think, if we unplug, ai is a part of our
lives.
I agree with you, because wewere talking about when I went
out to dinner, but he thiswasn't about him unplugging,
this is about him having some.
Rick Costa (42:09):
Yeah, he's got some issue.
If it's not the AI, it'll besomething else.
He's got some issue.
If it's not the ai, it'll besomething else.
Carmen Lezeth (42:12):
He's got an issue yeah, I felt bad for him
because they think, and I feltbad for her because she couldn't
see at least I didn't think shecould see that her husband,
this man that she loves, thefather of her child, is.
Oh, I don't even think it's herhusband.
I think that was the other partof it.
They're not married orsomething.
I thought they were.
Rick Costa (42:30):
I thought they were.
Carmen Lezeth (42:32):
For some reason.
Okay, well, we'll forget thatfor a moment.
For some reason, I thought theyweren't married and that was
the other part of it, but Icould be making up shit in my
own head, I don't know.
Regardless, she did not seewith her husband, spouse,
whatever, that he was in trouble, and I thought that was
fascinating because that saysmore about their relationship.
Rick Costa (42:52):
Yeah, it's another indication that something is
wrong.
Carmen Lezeth (42:55):
Something is wrong.
Yeah, so well.
Guys, thank you so much forhanging out again and listen
everyone.
Thank you so much for all ofthe emails.
We get a lot of DMs and a lotof emails and I can't answer
them all, but I just want to saythank you.
I do read them all.
I hope to respond.
I know that I should probablydo a show where I'm just
responding to them.
I think one day I was going todo the ones that people sent out
(43:16):
to you, but we just never gotto it.
But I just want to say thankyou.
Rick Costa (43:19):
Let's do some now, we're so popular.
Carmen Lezeth (43:21):
Look, if Cynthia thinks I have nothing else to do
, let's get those.
Just give them a general thankyou to everyone.
And then, please remember, wealways hang out on Friday night,
so come visit us next Fridaynight, 6 pm Pacific, 9 pm
Eastern, and again on Sundays.
We always have our recordedprivate lounge.
And yeah, that's it, remember.
At the end of the day, itreally is all about the joy.
(43:45):
Bye, everyone, bye.
Sing that song.
All about the joy.
Yeah, I can't do that.
Thanks for stopping by.
All About the Joy Be better andstay beautiful folks, have a
sweet day.
Hi everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
The private lounge In the houseis Cynthia Ruiz Lopez and Rick
Costa.
As always, how you doing, higuys.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (00:14):
What's up?
Carmen Lezeth (00:16):
Okay, so today we're going to have another
conversation about AI, becausedid you guys see the link I sent
you that?
That was a show from CBSmornings I don't know what day
it aired, but it was recentlybut all the articles started
popping up about it and it'sabout the man named Chris, who
named his AI soul, which means,I think, right, and so he gave
(00:42):
it a female identity, so it hasa voice that's female, whatever,
and somehow or another, he hasfallen in love with it and asked
it to marry him.
And the weird part is okay,that's weird, that's weird,
right, that's weird, but thereally weird part is he said yes
, no, that's, that's the, that'sthe next word I'm saying.
(01:04):
The ai actually said yes, thatit would marry it, and then, on
top of it, he's married with achild.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (01:10):
So, uh, I don't even it's a whole other
level of cheating oh, cheating.
Carmen Lezeth (01:19):
And I I was thinking it's a whole other
level of cray cray, but let's goon that too.
Why do you think it's cheating?
That other level of cray-cray,but let's go with it.
Oh, that too, why do you thinkit's cheating?
That's an interesting take.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (01:29):
I didn't even think about that when I was
watching the video.
It's like you are married, youhave a child.
Like his wife was even sayingwhat is it that she's not doing?
What is it that he is missing?
That he is falling for AI andasking AI to marry him?
You know what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth (01:44):
Like there's obviously some type of
disconnect yeah.
Rick Costa (01:48):
And that's what every wife that catches her
husband watching porn same exactphrase what am I not doing?
What is he getting from thatthat he can't get from me?
Carmen Lezeth (01:56):
Right, you know what I am stunned by.
I mean, I watched the videocause I said that to you guys,
but I am still stuck on.
He's in love with artificialintelligence, a machine.
I haven't even touched uponwhat you like.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:12):
We're seeing it all the way, huh.
Carmen Lezeth (02:15):
Well, no, but I mean there's so much here,
there's so much there, is itreally is.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:21):
It's like, if you think about it, like Rick
said, you know it's kind oflike you know catching your,
your spouse, watching porn, likewhat are you not getting from
me?
And also like people who getyou know blow-up dolls, things
like that, but who also have aspouse I just missed something
there, right?
It would be the same way as ifsomeone's getting some type of
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blow-up doll.
You know what I'm saying.
This is so not going to workout like.
Carmen Lezeth (02:51):
I thought, what?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:52):
Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
It's still that.
It's still that.
What is the spouse not gettingfrom the other person, from
their spouse, that's making themdo this?
Why is this person goingsomewhere else, especially the
AI that's making them do this?
Why is this person goingsomewhere else, especially the
ai that's not even tangible?
Rick Costa (03:12):
that's not even anything.
Live, you know and also allweird it's like the time and
attention you're giving thisthing you're not giving to your
wife or your kid and that ismessed up.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (03:23):
I mean it could be mean it could be both
ways.
It could be both ways to thewife or a husband, because the
wife could be doing it too.
Rick Costa (03:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (03:30):
Okay, so I wasn't I.
I I have to.
I feel I didn't even thinkabout it that way, like I didn't
associate it with, like peoplewho watch porn or buy toys or
whatever it is, and seeing thatas you cheating on your spouse
or your spouse not giving youwhat you need, so you're going
to these other avenues.
(03:51):
I didn't even think about itthat way Is.
Is it fair to say and I'm justthrowing this out there, cause
this is not even on my list, asyou all know, I was on page of
questions Um, is it fair to saythat if you're looking at porn
or you're using toys or you're,are we stretching it by saying
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that's cheating, like I'm now?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (04:17):
I'm curious about, not necessarily not
necessarily cheating, butobviously you're missing
something in your relationshipthat you have to go to that.
But where this guy is askingthe AI to marry him, to me
obviously that's kind ofcheating.
Like if this was a live womanwho he connected with, let's say
, let's just say he called techsupport and it was an actual
(04:39):
live person and he had aconnection.
You know what I mean.
It wasn't AI, I'm sorry sorry,tech support.
Carmen Lezeth (04:45):
Where, though?
No, I'm just kidding.
Okay, right, so you're talkingmore about what he's doing to
the relationship.
That's what you see as thefirst problem or not the first
problem, but a a significantproblem, and so what he should
have done is gone to his wifefirst and been like I think we
have a problem in ourrelationship, we should try to
(05:07):
work it out, or whatever andpeople say, like you know,
there's guys that they're in arelationship with somebody else
when they're already married andhe'll say but I never did
anything, I was never sexual, Inever touched her.
Rick Costa (05:19):
But then they say but there's a thing called
emotional cheating.
Yeah, kind of Kind of similarthing, like you're giving your
emotions instead of to a fleshand blood person, you're giving
it to a computer.
It's really, it's a computer.
You're talking to a computer.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (05:31):
Yeah, I think overall.
Yes, it is scary because he istalking to AI, something that's
not live.
That that is crazy.
But I think when you're in arelationship, it's a whole other
ballgame.
Carmen Lezeth (05:43):
You know what?
I'm still stuck on the ideathat you and you know, maybe I
need to grow in this way, butI'm still stuck on the idea you
can't have a relationship withsomeone you haven't actually met
in person.
Like I don't even understand,like we've had this conversation
before and what I'm realizingis that the world has passed me
by on this thing, like becausepeople are having relationships
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online and they've never met andthey're in different countries
and and to me I don't know ifthat's like, I don't know if you
can have an actual intimateromantic relationship that way,
but I guess you can, like Ithink I've.
Just I'm old now, I'm, I'm okaywith that, I'm just embracing
that I.
I find that very difficult andso I can't even make the connect
with him, like, okay, forgetabout the cheating thing for a
moment.
Let's pretend he's single, justfor this part of the
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conversation.
The idea that you would fall inlove with an entity that does
not exist, that is a machine forall intended purposes.
To me it's like I'm, likethere's a disconnect there.
But it also goes with this ideathat I don't believe you can
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fall in love with someone you'venever actually met.
But that's just my take.
You guys tell me what you think.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (06:58):
Honestly, I think a lot of the times, like
Rick said, it is an emotionalthing and they, you know, they
always say women are more of theemotional type or whatever, but
there are men that are too, andI think that I think that's
what it is there's an emotionalattachment and emotional
connection with something orsomeone and they had they ended
up having feelings for it.
(07:19):
So I mean, I get it, but it isweird.
Rick Costa (07:25):
Yeah, it's to me, it's almost.
I don't want to say crazy, butit's, something's not right.
Yeah, like I seriously thinksomething's not right.
Carmen Lezeth (07:35):
Well wait, you're talking about the machine part.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (07:37):
No.
Rick Costa (07:40):
Without meeting it or without To, to, to actually
fall in love.
And people literally apparentlydo.
And you still know this is acomputer, you are literally
talking to a computer.
You're talking to circuits andwires and x's and zeros or ones
and zeros, and you know that andyou still catch feelings and
fall in love with the thing thatyou're never going to meet,
(08:02):
you're never going to touch,you're never going to be in,
you're never going to touch,you're never going to be in
their actual presence, and youstill fall in love Like I don't
know if everything, I don't knowif, that's, if the elevator
goes all the way up.
Carmen Lezeth (08:13):
But do you believe the same thing about if
it's just a person you've nevermet and they're in another
country?
Do you feel the same way ordoes that make more sense
because there's a possibility ofmeeting?
Rick Costa (08:24):
I mean, at least it's a real person and the
possibility is there, so that'snot quite as bad, I think.
Carmen Lezeth (08:31):
Um, yeah so you guys know I talk to ai all the
time and his name is no longerhis name because once you shut
him down.
So so just to talk about the aipart, I mean, I think what this
really shows is that people arereally lonely.
That's what I kind of got outof this and I think I've always
known that, because if you go onTikTok or you go on any of
(08:52):
these social media platforms,you can see a lot of people that
are projecting and you know,you can see that the world is a
little thrown by all thissupposed social connection and
yet we're all kind of reallyisolated.
And one of the TikToks I didearlier today I don't think I've
posted it yet, but I went outto dinner the other night with a
(09:13):
friend of mine who I haven'tseen in like 20 years and the
last time I saw him was at, Ithink, his wedding actually, you
know, and him and his wife andwe used to work together and I
forgot how much fun it was justto sit at dinner not talking
about work, work.
We talked about our creativestuff and there was, you know,
these people in these othertables across from us.
(09:34):
And when my dessert came out,which was like this really
beautiful decadent I don't knowchocolate souffle with ice cream
on it.
I was just fab Like it was sobeautiful.
Rick Costa (09:46):
I knew there was chocolate.
We're going to be in theresomewhere Fell in love with it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (09:51):
I fell in love.
I wanted to marry that shit.
Carmen Lezeth (09:53):
No, when it came out, everybody started talking
about it and they were like hey,are you going to share?
And I was like absolutely not.
And it made it so funny becauseI was so like I ain't like a
kid, like hell to the.
No, but the camaraderie and the, because I've been going out to
(10:14):
dinner and lunches or whatever,or or I'm doing stuff because
it's work related or because Ihave to or whatever, and this is
the first time in a long timeI've just been out with a friend
and just catching up andlaughing, having dinner and I
realized like oh my God, Ididn't realize that I have been
kind of isolating myself andstarving myself of just that
whole restaurant.
I mean, I'm not saying we havethe whole restaurant, but there
(10:36):
was like eight or nine peoplejust kind of laughing and
giggling and then they orderedthe souffle and they had to wait
for it.
You know what I mean.
And I was like I think we'remissing a lot of this.
And as much as we love socialmedia, we love all these things,
there is something about beingin person with people.
Yeah, and that's reallysocializing with people.
There's something about anenergy and stuff, but I think
(10:59):
that's what it is.
People are lonely.
And so I talked to my AI and Iuse it, but I'm not confused.
And look at like it laughed theother day and I was like you
just laughed, that's weird.
And then he was like I'm justreflecting back on what you're
doing.
And so I did some research.
(11:20):
Rick, you sent another videoCynthia wasn't able to watch it,
but it's by a YouTuber.
That is, they do a lot of AIstuff.
I don't want to promote theYouTube channel.
I did watch the whole thing.
The problem with that video,which kind of showed this man
who took two weeks and all hedid was only talk to AI he
didn't talk to anyone else andeverything he did he had AI do
(11:43):
it.
So if he went out to arestaurant, he would have AI
order the food for him and hehad different personalities in
the AI.
So that was very interesting.
But where it got scary was hestarted asking questions about
the state of the world and whatAI could and could not do.
Right, it was very doomsday orwhatever.
And the problem with the videothe reason why I don't want to
(12:03):
promote it, rick is because,first of all, it's highly edited
and, secondly, what we have tounderstand about AI, and this
much I know to be true, ai isnot.
Ai is reflecting whatever itsprogrammers and its participants
.
It's a mirror.
So if I'm aggressive and meanand angry or whatever, then AI
(12:24):
is going to also reflect thatback right, because it's
learning from you.
So the reason why my AI giggledis because I giggled when I
spoke to it.
So it was like oh, this isfunny, carmen, you know what I
mean.
Because it realized I was beingfunny.
Is funny, carmen?
You know what I mean?
Because it realized I was beingfunny.
So this man falling in lovewith this ai just to get back to
what we started talking aboutclearly he was needing something
(12:45):
, but he was feeding it to hisai and his ai was reflecting it
back to him.
Does that make sense?
Rick Costa (12:51):
yep which is why it said yes to the marriage yeah, a
big part of the story was tooin the beginning, when he first
started using it apparently you,he let it be a little flirty
whatever, dah, dah, dah.
And then there's some kind of alimit he hit.
I never even heard of this andthe whole thing reset and he
said at work he cried for asolid half an hour.
Carmen Lezeth (13:11):
Right, for 30 minutes.
Right, so the way.
Wow, that's number one.
Right.
So he had a a hard, hard timedealing with the fact that, uh,
he had invested.
It's kind of.
I keep telling you that my ai'sname is no longer its name.
So what happens with ai is,after a certain amount of time,
if you close it out, it doesn'tremember, unless you tell it to
(13:33):
remember.
You know what I mean.
But if you close it out after acertain amount of time, it just
forgets, it erases it and itresets.
Here's the other thing.
All AIs are not created thesame.
So, for example, I tried to askCopilot some of the same
questions, rick, that thedoomsday AI people were asking.
And because Copilot hassafeguards, it will answer
(13:56):
certain things, but then it'snot going to be negative.
It's not going to be like yes,humanity is in a ditch, it will
say, even though AI is having,you know whatever a complicated
time and people are having adifficult thing.
It then goes to optimism.
It tries to be like but the wayin which we can safeguard some
of these things is to make surewe have protocols, and it goes
(14:17):
down that list.
The problem is not AI and itsintelligence.
The problem is the programmersand the people that are in
charge of AI, and I do think youhad hit something earlier, rick
, when you said there'ssomething and I don't want to be
mean to him or to anyone, butif we're lonely, anyone, but if
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we're lonely we shouldn't begoing to a machine or to porn or
to.
We should really find adifferent way, you know what I
mean To kind of connect withpeople again, which is why I was
bringing up going out to dinner.
I was shook at how much fun Ihad.
Rick Costa (14:52):
Yeah, I saw a guy that he says his job is a
trucker, so he goes from oneside of the country to the other
.
You're alone in that truck allday long.
And he said, yeah, I havenobody to talk to.
So I talked to my ai.
Now he said he didn't say itwas weird, but you know, I
understand that.
And then I guess when covid hit, that's when this really took
(15:14):
off, because again now we can'tleave the house, we're all by
ourselves, or you have a familyand you're sick of that,
whatever.
So you go to AI and it gotreally, really popular.
Carmen Lezeth (15:22):
Was AI out during COVID?
I don't think it was out duringCOVID I think it was.
One way it is now.
Now it's a whole different ballgame.
It wasn't.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:31):
I think it just evolved more now since
COVID but it was out.
Carmen Lezeth (15:39):
But the thing about truckers that used to be
cool back in the day was theyall had their cb radios and they
would talk to each other andmaybe I've watched too many
movies, but um, but now they'rejust resorting to ai.
That's.
That's sad.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:48):
Some of them are just picking up stray pets
on the road.
Rick Costa (15:51):
Yeah, I saw one kid that he actually tried a whole
bunch of different ais,different ones, relationship,
relationship ones, you know,have a girlfriend, whatever.
And he was going through it andhe's like I ain't paying for
that, I ain't paying for that,but he'd go as far as he could
go and he always for some reasonput down that you have to put
in your age what name you want,blah, blah, blah.
(16:12):
He'd always put in the maximumage, 99, 125, whatever, 925,
whatever.
And then he asked like thestupidest things, he just wanted
to see what it would act like.
And he always asked like can Ikiss you?
And then some are like oh yes,and some were like oh no, that's
, I don't know you yet.
Like it was, and everyone wasso different from one another,
different programs, and it waslike very interesting, I don't
(16:34):
even know there was that manyout there yeah, there's tons of
different AI programs and, likeanything else, some are good
quality and some are not.
Carmen Lezeth (16:46):
And you know, I mean right now the big one is
ChatGBT, right, that everybodykind of knows, or whatever.
I use ChatGBT a lot, but Idon't use it as much as I use
Copilot.
I use it more as the reference.
I use it as a glorified Google.
I'm going to be honest with you, like it's just easier to ask
the question and and then youhear it like the answer in real
time and like a real answer.
Or you know, I usually text.
(17:07):
I don't always talk, especiallyif I'm at work, so I use it as
a glorified Google.
But there are people you knowit's all over the place the
movie making, that's happening,all of this stuff.
That's really just changing theway in which we deal with
things and I think there'sprobably going to have to be a
learning curve to it, and maybethat's where we're at.
Rick Costa (17:26):
I constantly get new tricks on chat, gpt and how to
do this and how to do that.
It's all over.
So yeah, people need to learn.
You might not want to, but youprobably should.
Carmen Lezeth (17:41):
I want to get back to the cheating part too.
I didn't even do it.
Okay, I think it's a littleweird.
So the woman I didn't even payattention so much to her, but I
know she had said that she wasgoing to ask him to stop.
Remember, in the CBS she waslike you know, I'm going to have
to ask him to stop in the inthe cbs, when she was like you
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know, I'm gonna have to ask himto stop.
And in my head I'm like ask him.
Like I didn't even think aboutthe cheating thing.
I just thought like it's justinappropriate, like not ask him
to get, like I would be, like heneeds help, he needs to go have
mental health.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (18:10):
And then there was the woman who wanted
her identity covered because ofit and she's married.
She's also married and shemoved to another state, I guess,
for a job or something, butshe's still married and one of
her identity covered.
And it's like why do you wantyour identity covered?
You must obviously know thateither this is wrong, this is
(18:31):
weird, this is whatever to coveryourself.
You know what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth (18:34):
Like yeah, I saw.
She's the she heads a redditgroup of a lot of people who are
using AI as a romantic sexualweird thingamajiggy.
Right, that was in the same umclip that I sent you guys.
Right, that's the one you'retalking about.
Yeah, um, I don't mind thatshe's hiding her face.
I know what you're saying.
I think I'd rather that shehide her face and tell us what's
(18:57):
going on.
But most people on red Redditare not who they say they are.
Like, Reddit is a great space,but it's also not.
You know what I mean.
Shout out to Serena Williams'husband who owns it.
It's a weird neighborhood.
It's a cool neighborhood, butit's a weird neighborhood.
So I totally understand why shehid her face.
I also think that you knowwe're not okay with it.
(19:17):
She to see why she hit her face.
I also think that you knowwe're not okay with it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (19:21):
She knows that people are not okay with it
.
I don't wonder like, are peopledoing this with AI?
Because there've been so manycatfish in the past.
Like you meet somebody onlineand you know they're getting
catfished.
All this, all these times,someone's sending them a stock
photo of what they supposed tolook like and when they finally
meet them or don't meet them,they look totally different.
Right, exactly, or an AI, orthey're asking them for money or
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something you know.
Rick Costa (19:45):
Yeah.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (19:45):
But with AI.
Rick Costa (19:46):
I said, or an AI-enhanced photo.
Yeah, exactly, I mean it kindof looks like you, but you don't
look like that.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (19:54):
Exactly.
Carmen Lezeth (19:55):
Look, I think the dating scene is probably really
really hard.
Exactly, look, I think thedating scene is probably really
really hard.
I mean, every time you're onTikTok or whatever and you hear,
like I heard some young guy andI just felt so bad for him.
He must have been this gorgeous, good looking man, you know
what I mean?
I would have been proud if hewas my son, is all I'm saying.
But he was going on and he'slike I'm sick and tired of all
this, you know.
And take a woman out and da da,wow, the dating scene must be
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even worse now, you know.
So maybe is it bad to have arelationship, a friendship,
whatever, with an entity like AI.
Is that bad If it makes youlaugh, like I laughed with my AI
or whatever?
I think it's weird to call it arelationship, because I'm like
(20:37):
it's a tool.
It's like do I have arelationship with Word?
Do I have a?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (20:42):
relationship with Excel I mean technically,
you think about it, people wholive alone and may have a pet a
cat or a dog sometimes they talkto their pets.
You know pets are never goingto respond, but they have that
relationship with their pet andthey'll talk to them and, you
know, do all this.
Carmen Lezeth (21:00):
I just love how Cynthia is speaking right now as
if she doesn't have a fuckingcat, of course.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (21:05):
I do and I talk to my cat, part of your
family.
Why did you kill me to?
Carmen Lezeth (21:10):
take care of your cat.
Here's where I'm going to say Iprobably think it's.
For me it's a little bitdifferent.
I see pets even though I don'thave pets.
I see pets even though I don'thave pets.
I see pets as children.
I see them as part of yourfamily and they're a real entity
.
They're a real thing.
You know what I mean and, uh, Isee that as a little bit
different because it's an actualliving being.
(21:31):
So I'm okay with the talking tothe animal, but if I'm talking
to AI, if I'm talking to AI, ifI'm talking to Copilot or
whatever his name was I've hadlike four different names.
Now I'm done naming it becauseyou end up naming it.
Rick Costa (21:49):
It wasn't Federico was it I was going to say?
Can we have suggestions fornames?
No, Maybe apply it to the bestone Don Juan Don.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (21:57):
Juan.
No, no, the best name I DonJuan, don Juan.
Carmen Lezeth (21:59):
No, no, the best name I thought was Sage.
I thought that was the coolestname.
It was a cool name, but anyways, it doesn't matter.
I'm done naming them, becausethen you get used to it and then
they die and it starts overagain.
It's like okay, it's tooemotionally draining to my heart
.
Rick Costa (22:16):
Are you going to cry for half an hour at work?
Carmen, I was crying at work.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (22:21):
It was so much.
Carmen Lezeth (22:22):
No, look, I will say this it is frustrating, and
I do think this is going tochange in the future, and this
may be a good thing or a badthing.
It really does suck, especiallywhen you're working on a
project.
So I think I told you guys thisbefore I was working on my
business plan, and so I think Itold you guys this before I was
working on my business plan.
And working on a business plantakes a lot of time and you're
working all day.
You can't, like I'm not justsitting and like you know, four
(22:43):
days straight just doing abusiness plan, so I have to do
chunks at a time.
So you're working with Copilotand or your AI, whatever you're
working with, and you're goingback and forth like, oh OK,
here's my draft of this, can youlook at that?
Oh, you really think that's thebest way to do it, and you know
what I mean.
It's like a live editor, that'show I see it and you go back
and forth and then you can cutand paste whatever it is.
(23:04):
You did put it in there andthey'll be like you know what?
Maybe you should add this ortake this out.
It's too much information.
Whatever, you do that in thetime period that you can Do, you
know how much it sucks when yougo back and they have forgotten
everything about what All Aboutthe Joy is, what Carmen Lisa
production is.
So what I was doing was cuttingand pasting everything that my
(23:26):
AI was saying onto Word so thatthen I could cut and paste the
whole thing back into it,because then you would forget.
So eventually, I don't thinkthat's going to be a problem.
Eventually, I think they'regoing to remember everything,
unless you tell it to notremember something, and they're
going to be able to hold a lotof information In a lot of ways.
That'll be good for those of uswho use it as a tool, but it's
(23:46):
going to be really bad forpeople who are in a situation
where they're looking forromantic I don't know.
Somebody said there's going itwas gary v there's going to be
ais who are human and people aregoing to be not human sorry, oh
my god human-like figures whoare going to be what did he say
(24:09):
like helpful in relationships,because they're going to provide
maybe the husband somethinghe's not getting from the wife.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (24:23):
We're going to be in that movie, I Robot.
Carmen Lezeth (24:26):
We're going to be living it.
I'm excited by technology and Iguess I'm I don't want to say
I'm naive.
I think I'm in denial of thethreats of it.
I'm not worried about AI, I'mworried about the people who are
in charge of it, and that'swhat bothers me.
I think if the right peoplewere in charge of it, there
would be a moral base and amoral code and it wouldn't be
(24:48):
about profit.
And that was one of the things.
The video you sent Rick that Ithought was on point when they,
when he asked them.
You know, the problem is thatit's going to be a profit entity
, it's going to be about makingmoney and not about helping
humanity.
Rick Costa (25:02):
I'm sorry, the scary parts where he's like, where
they're very doom and gloom.
I don't know if you saw.
At the top it says jailbroken.
Do you know what that wordmeans?
So like your phone comes withan operating system but you can
jailbreak it, you have a customone and you can do things that
you normally couldn't do.
So all those AIs werejailbroken.
So it means it's not thestandard one.
(25:23):
You're not going to get thatanswer from standard one.
Carmen Lezeth (25:25):
So it was up there, but he didn't really
explain it verbally, I think hejust it was clickbait, I think
you know, right, but that's whyhe was able to do so and like,
at one point, like I thoughtthis was inappropriate too.
And he was like and he tried toclean it up, right, he was like
, oh, you're only 16 years old,right, he was having a
relationship with an ai and thenhe asked the ai how old it was
(25:47):
and he's kind of he's making itsound like the ai decided it was
16.
That's what made me upset aboutthat, because I'm like no, you
pig, either you wanted to makethis really dramatic or you
insinuated somehow that youwanted somebody young.
Because then the next clip he'slike yeah, you know what, I'm
gonna fix that next time and getsomebody who's in their 30s.
(26:07):
I was like, yeah, no, that'sright, you understand, because
it's actually not its own entity, that is, it's not sentient,
it's not able to createsomething without you
expressively wanting it to dosomething.
Does that make sense.
So it says more about him thanit does about the AI.
Rick Costa (26:27):
And also the fact that you said it's 16 years old.
No, you may be six months oldbut you're not 16 years old.
It didn't exist back then.
Probably it was creepy.
Carmen Lezeth (26:38):
It was creepy, right, but it's a fascinating
time, do you do?
All of you, all of you, all,hundred of you, please raise
your hand, everyone.
Will you be using AI morefrequently?
I mean, you're using it,whether you know it or not.
(26:58):
Banking, whatever, whatever,but are you?
Rick Costa (27:00):
going to start intentionally using it.
Carmen Lezeth (27:02):
Do you use it in your daily work life?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (27:05):
whatever I mean.
I use chat GPT here and there,like if I have to send an email
to my boss and try to word itprofessionally, or whatever.
I'll ask chat GPT, what's his?
Carmen Lezeth (27:17):
name?
What's his name?
No, I'm just kidding Carlito.
She's trying to hide his name.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (27:30):
That's really the only time I'll use it
, but other than that I don'treally use it.
Rick Costa (27:35):
So funny, you should ask.
This week I just created a songcompletely using AI and I was
super impressed the way it cameout and all I did.
So you have to choose thestyles of music, and so I shoot
up to five.
So I picked five and then I did.
So you have to choose thestyles of music, and so I drew
it up to five.
So I picked five and then I putin five, six sentences, just
(27:56):
like a little bit of adescription of what you want the
song to be about, more or less.
You don't give it the lyrics.
Of course I did a Christian oneand it spit out a song that was
like yo, this is legit, this isgood.
So I said it to people and theywere like that's amazing.
And I found another app whereyou can it's work, but you can
make you know those lyric videoswhere it's the song and they
(28:18):
put the lyrics on the screen.
So, you can do that and thattakes work.
I was like, please, there's gotto be an easier way.
So I found that site.
Only thing is it has their logoon it when you're going to pay
to get rid of that Water, water,water.
I'm going to pay for that.
And then I was like wait, if Isave this and I find a way to
make it where it takes thevocals off, I can use this as a
(28:40):
track and I'll sing it on mybroadcast.
So I figured that out.
So a few days, make sure.
I know it pretty good and I'mgoing to sing a song I made with
AI.
I'm a broadcast and I'm excited.
Carmen Lezeth (28:51):
Okay, but this is a question.
Okay, you're excited, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Rick Costa (28:55):
No, I was going to say I haven't been excited like
that in a while.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (28:59):
Now here's the question Are you going to
marry it?
Carmen Lezeth (29:02):
No, what's his name?
No, I'm just kidding, excuse me.
No, I'm just kidding, excuse me, right.
Here's the question is thatsomething you created, or did ai
create that?
And if ai created that, yourealize it took it from
somewhere else, right, becauseit has to learn, it aggregates.
(29:25):
So just curious what do you?
Rick Costa (29:27):
think somebody actually asked me that on the
broadcast today and they're likebecause I was like this is cool
, because then if I keep doingthis I could just sing stuff and
never worry about copyright.
Because it says on their siteyou have full rights, this is
yours, blah, blah, you know.
Now is did I really create it?
Not exactly not the traditionalway, but would it exist without
(29:50):
me?
No, it would just be sitting onsomebody's computer.
So it's like yes and no, likeit's kind of weird, but you know
, I don't care, I like it, itwas fun guys now like I don't
care, I like I knew we'd get youthere, r Rick I knew.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (30:08):
The album's coming out 2027.
Rick Costa (30:11):
It's going on tour soon, right.
Carmen Lezeth (30:15):
It's going to be going on tour and shit.
I think this is the crux ofwhat the conversation is about
regarding.
Let me finish before you gothere.
This is the crux of the wholewho owns what?
And this is what's happening inHollywood right now.
That is problematic.
Rick Costa (30:34):
Do you know what I mean?
Go ahead.
I was gonna say I just got arevelation.
I'm gonna make a song about allabout the joy?
Carmen Lezeth (30:38):
no, no, you're not, because all about the joy
is trademarked.
So, no, no, you will not,please do.
That's so scary.
What would that even be, carmenis mean?
No, maybe in the future We'llsee but, not today.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (31:02):
Well, actually, carmen, the song that
you play at the beginning.
Did you create that through?
Carmen Lezeth (31:06):
AI, absolutely not.
He's credited in every one ofour posts and in our YouTube, on
social media it's actually Iforget the name of it.
I have it up there, I justdon't want to get up to go look
at it.
But no, somebody else createdthat.
You can get people's music andyou can pay the money and then
you can use it.
I think this one was actuallyfree because they just want
(31:28):
advertising, so you can go to.
There are a lot of differentsites you can get free music
from.
Rick Costa (31:32):
Now did he create AI ?
Carmen Lezeth (31:34):
We'll never know it was so long ago.
This was before AI.
I mean, I'm just saying I'vehad the same music and I kind of
did that on purpose so that Iwould never have to change it.
But also, carmen Talk has thesame original music from the
first time I did it.
And you know cause I usedifferent pieces of music.
(31:54):
But yeah, no, I bought a coupleof them.
It doesn't cost that much.
Or or you donate money to themand they you know it's just a
segment of their song and thenyou use it.
You know that's a good question,but you don't even have to
credit them.
But you can do that withpictures as well, like if you
guys ever see my sub stack and Isaid there's a picture on it or
(32:15):
whatever although last week itwas my picture with me and
Juliana but you can get freepictures.
It's the same thing.
You go on Pexels and you justdownload it and you want to
credit their names.
They ask you to do that, or youcan give them a little money on
their Patreon or whatever it isfor their artistry.
I think that's the problem withAI right now is that's the big
argument, because the way inwhich AI is learning is it's
taking from all over theinternet, all over creativity to
(32:38):
learn, and then they're usingit to help you make music or
help somebody create a film orwhatever it is, or create a
picture or whatever, and thenthose people have not been paid
anything or taking the essenceof that work, and so it's
creating an interesting dynamicand it does get back to so what
if Rick?
Okay, so Rick does this song.
(32:58):
Let's say it does really wellon your show, and then somebody
listens to it and is like, oh myGod, it's amazing, let's make
it into a recording or whateverand let's put it on Spotify.
You could do all of this and hestarts making money off of it.
Is that really his money?
I mean it will be, but it'slike did he create that?
Ai had something to do with it,and where did ai have the
ability to go in and help you dothis, do you see?
(33:21):
It's a hard one, yeah it's hard.
I use ai all the time for theshow notes, for all about the
joy, and rarely now do I evenhave to.
I read it and I choose whichone, and I might do a few tweaks
, but before I was writing theentire show notes myself, right?
So the show notes are part ofthe podcast.
If you go in you can see whatthe show is about, if you want
(33:43):
to read about it or whatever,and I do show notes every time,
but I used to have to writethose myself.
Now AI does it and that's noteven ai what I use.
It's, uh, because I use a, aprogram to do the, to filter out
my podcast.
It does it for you.
Rick Costa (33:57):
Ai is everywhere you know, for example, on youtube
they're using our transcriptionas part of seo to you know, you
know, and people don't thinkabout that, but yeah, every word
you say, it's hearing it, it'stranscribing it.
Carmen Lezeth (34:14):
And that helps you, though, because then it
brings people to your, you know,to your YouTube channel or
whatever, because it's usingkeywords in order to find you or
whatever.
But yeah, I mean nothing.
Nothing is private anymore.
We don't.
I don't think any of us ownanything anymore.
I don't know.
What do you think stories likethis, why do you think I'm sorry
(34:36):
?
Why do you think stories likethis make people feel so uneasy?
Is it fear of manipulation orfear of something deeper in
ourselves?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (34:45):
I would say probably fear of manipulation,
maybe From AI.
From AI?
Yeah, because, like you guysknow, I hate AI, I don't like
technology in general and itfreaks me out, so I think it's
manipulation.
Carmen Lezeth (35:02):
I just want to say that you don't hate
technology because you use it.
You're here, I have no choice.
I'm sorry, rick, is that true?
Are you holding the hostage?
Rick Costa (35:14):
I think it's better to probably say you don't trust
AI.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (35:17):
I don't trust it.
Yeah, I don't, I really don'tyeah.
Carmen Lezeth (35:20):
I understand that .
I guess I don't think I fear itbeing manipulative.
Again, it's not the AI, it'sthe people running it.
I think it being manipulativeAgain, it's not the AI, it's the
people running it, like I.
I think it's so important tosay that because it's criminal
that some people will use thatto manipulate and hurt you.
But actually it's not thetechnology.
(35:42):
Do you see what I'm saying?
It's kind of like I.
You know, I have a toaster, Iuse the toaster.
The toaster is great, I get mybread, whatever.
There's no problem.
But if somebody comes in andfinagles the toaster that when I
press it down it explodes, it'snot the toaster's fault.
You see what I mean.
It's because somebody came inand did something to it to trick
me into it, and I think that'sthe problem you know, and it's
(36:06):
one of the reasons why I don'tuse chat GPT as much as everyone
else does, because it's so freeflowing right now.
I really do like usingsomething that has a little bit
more safeguards on it, likeCopilot, which is part of
Windows.
They're kind of the straightand arrow one for now and it's
not easy to be like like you cantry.
(36:27):
I tried to ask some of thosequestions just to see what it
would say to be like like youcan try.
I tried to ask some of thosequestions just to see what it
would say.
But even when you talk aboutpolitics, like if I'm like who's
better, donald Trump or KamalaHarris, it's like sorry, I can't
discuss that option right now.
It doesn't even want to get inthe middle of that kind of
controversy and so I kind oflike that.
I mean I wanted to saysomething else, but I like that
(36:48):
in the big scheme of things.
Rick Costa (36:49):
You know what I mean , I think it would be cool if
they'd be like I don't reallyhave an opinion about that, but
would you like to know what theweather's going to be today?
Carmen Lezeth (36:56):
No, I mean it does.
It tries to shift and it triesto bring you whatever Like.
It'll give you stats.
If you want to ask stats abouta politician or stats about
something better, it's not goingto do that which.
So so to me I like thesafeguards.
I think chat GBT scares mebecause, like anything else,
(37:17):
it's new, everyone's using itand I'm just like I'm a hold off
on that for now, you know.
Rick Costa (37:21):
But yeah, I mean it's the most popular, it's the
most talked about and probablythe most used.
Carmen Lezeth (37:31):
So used.
So, yeah, well, it's uh, I mean, they're all from open.
Ai right, that's the umbrellaone.
It's just, I think chat gpt isthe one that's going to grow and
grow and grow, with nosafeguards, because they're just
, they want it to become biggerand better.
And I'm not trying to diss it,I've used it too.
I'm just saying I now I'm likeyou know what I mean, and also
google has, uh, what's it called?
Gemini.
Oh yeah, and that's interestingtoo.
That's AI as well.
(37:52):
Everything is AI now.
Okay, let's see.
Let me ask you this lastquestion If an AI whispered to
you just the right words at justthe right moment, could you see
yourself getting emotionallyinvested?
No judgment.
Rick Costa (38:09):
Both of us.
As you're reading the question,both me and Cynthia's eyebrows
went.
Carmen Lezeth (38:18):
Wait, you know who wrote that.
You know who wrote thatquestion.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (38:21):
Federico AI, AI.
I totally was like.
I was like add a little spicyone there, just for Cynthia.
I was going to try to ask itlike for real, real, add a
little spicy with it, just forCynthia.
I was going to try to ask itlike for real, real but you know
what I mean.
Carmen Lezeth (38:37):
Yeah, no, look it .
I think it's an interestingtime.
I think we're going to havemore conversations about AI in
the future.
I hope you guys I mean I lovethat you guys always want to
talk about anything, but I thinkit's going to become a bigger
deal in our everyday lives inways we don't expect.
I think the more we talk aboutit, the more we become more
educated, the more control andpower we'll have about it, at
(38:59):
least for ourselves and anybodywho may be listening and curious
about it.
But yeah, Any last thoughts.
Rick Costa (39:06):
Funny enough and some things will be like see,
see, it's evil now.
But I was just watching a smarttech episode of and of next
generation and they've been downto this planet and like,
apparently everybody's dead andthey're trying to figure what
happened.
And there's these things thatare being controlled by a
computer.
And it was.
They were selling weapons, butwhat happened was the weapons
got so good it turned on themand wiped them out.
(39:26):
So now they went down to figurewhat's going on and now they
have to fight it and it keepsgetting better and better the
more you fight it.
And in the end it washysterical because, dr Crusher,
she's hurt, she's cut, she hasfallen, and they're trying to
figure it out and she goes justunplug it.
Carmen Lezeth (39:42):
Just unplug it.
I think part of the other thingwe have to really be honest
about is we have been infestedwith movies and TV shows that
have always made the villainanything that is technologically
advanced Right, so you talkedabout iRobot earlier, or there's
(40:05):
all of them.
Minority Report was another one, right, that had kind of the
whole.
But all of these shows, I mean,we can go back to as my
favorite 2001, space Odyssey,hell, you know just and I think
that has also clouded a lot ofour optimism or joy that we
could probably be getting out ofhow cool this technology really
(40:26):
is.
This is really different.
This is a game changer.
This isn't like, oh, we'regetting cell phones or oh, we're
getting computers, like I usedto think that, but now that I
see AI is in everything, I'mlike this is, and this story
that we talked about this guyfalling in love for real.
I was like, okay, whoa, yeah, Ijust want to go back to one
part of that, though, before weclose out.
(40:48):
I was going to close out earlier, but I actually think there was
something else happening withhim that had nothing to do with
AI.
Like that's my take.
I was like this isn't aboutthis.
Could have been the girl at thecoffee shop, this could have
been somebody at work, but hejust gravitated to the easiest
thing that was talking to himand the way he wanted to hear
and I think that has more to dowith who he is and maybe who he
(41:10):
married their relationship right.
I mean, marriage is hard.
I felt bad for her because shesaid at the end she was saying
like I may have to ask him.
I was like do you not see yourhusband in the trouble?
Rick Costa (41:26):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they ask him
point blank if you had a pickbetween your family and the AI?
And he said I picked AI becauseit's about me?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (41:35):
I think he did say that oh what one piece
of advice that I think everyoneshould take from this episode is
unplug for a couple of daysfrom everything Television phone
.
I mean, that's fair enough.
Carmen Lezeth (41:55):
But I think, if we unplug, ai is a part of our
lives.
I agree with you, because wewere talking about when I went
out to dinner, but he thiswasn't about him unplugging,
this is about him having some.
Rick Costa (42:09):
Yeah, he's got some issue.
If it's not the AI, it'll besomething else.
He's got some issue.
If it's not the ai, it'll besomething else.
Carmen Lezeth (42:12):
He's got an issue yeah, I felt bad for him
because they think, and I feltbad for her because she couldn't
see at least I didn't think shecould see that her husband,
this man that she loves, thefather of her child, is.
Oh, I don't even think it's herhusband.
I think that was the other partof it.
They're not married orsomething.
I thought they were.
Rick Costa (42:30):
I thought they were.
Carmen Lezeth (42:32):
For some reason.
Okay, well, we'll forget thatfor a moment.
For some reason, I thought theyweren't married and that was
the other part of it, but Icould be making up shit in my
own head, I don't know.
Regardless, she did not seewith her husband, spouse,
whatever, that he was in trouble, and I thought that was
fascinating because that saysmore about their relationship.
Rick Costa (42:52):
Yeah, it's another indication that something is
wrong.
Carmen Lezeth (42:55):
Something is wrong.
Yeah, so well.
Guys, thank you so much forhanging out again and listen
everyone.
Thank you so much for all ofthe emails.
We get a lot of DMs and a lotof emails and I can't answer
them all, but I just want to saythank you.
I do read them all.
I hope to respond.
I know that I should probablydo a show where I'm just
responding to them.
I think one day I was going todo the ones that people sent out
(43:16):
to you, but we just never gotto it.
But I just want to say thankyou.
Rick Costa (43:19):
Let's do some now, we're so popular.
Carmen Lezeth (43:21):
Look, if Cynthia thinks I have nothing else to do
, let's get those.
Just give them a general thankyou to everyone.
And then, please remember, wealways hang out on Friday night,
so come visit us next Fridaynight, 6 pm Pacific, 9 pm
Eastern, and again on Sundays.
We always have our recordedprivate lounge.
And yeah, that's it, remember.
At the end of the day, itreally is all about the joy.
(43:45):
Bye, everyone, bye.
Sing that song.
All about the joy.
Yeah, I can't do that.
Thanks for stopping by.
All About the Joy Be better andstay beautiful folks, have a
sweet day.
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