October 2, 2025 • 40 mins
A Super Bowl halftime rumor shouldn’t trigger a civics crisis - but the Bad Bunny backlash did exactly that. We start with culture and run headlong into identity, geography, and the gaps in how we understand America. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. Spanish is part of the national soundtrack. When people panic about who “counts,” it’s really a story about education, belonging, and whether we can sit still long enough to be surprised by something new.
From there, we drop into the mechanics that actually shape lives: how the Senate’s 60-vote threshold turns “control” into negotiation, why the Affordable Care Act still stands at the center of budget brinkmanship, and what subsidies really do. Carmen shares exact numbers - $578 a month with ACA support versus roughly $1,300 without - to make the stakes real. We draw a stark comparison: around $88B goes to ACA affordability while oil companies enjoy an estimated $400B in global subsidies and tax perks. If one is called “socialism,” what do we call the other? The point isn’t a dunk; it’s a question about priorities and the kind of growth we actually want.
We also tackle California’s redistricting move, caught between principle and pragmatism. Independent commissions are the ideal - but when the national map is aggressively gerrymandered, do you hold the moral line or fight with the tools on the field? Add in a candid look at leadership, ego, and a military moment that landed with a thud, and you get a conversation that favors clarity over noise. We close by pointing to better civics: learn the process, track the incentives, and keep your energy for the work that helps people live better, longer lives.
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Clarification: The global fossil fuel industry receives an estimated $400 billion in subsidies, with the U.S. contributing at least $34.8 billion annually, plus billions more projected over the next decade. But that’s just one slice - the U.S. government gives around $181 billion per year in total corporate subsidies, across energy, manufacturing, tech, and more. So when ACA support is framed as a “handout,” let’s ask what we call this. Public money flows to corporations constantly - healthcare helps people live, not profit.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Hey, what's up, Andrea?
Andrea (00:08):
Hey.
Carmen Lezeth (00:10):
I see we both just got out of the shower.
Yeah.
Andrea (00:16):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (00:17):
I have to tell you, I'm a little bit, I'm I I
think this is going to be harderthan I thought because I
realize like we don't alwaystalk all the time and definitely
not always about politics.
And so now, since that's ourfocus, there's a part of me
that's like depressed every timeI come on now.
Andrea (00:36):
I know we need to have our like phone girl time talk.
Right, yeah, exactly.
Carmen Lezeth (00:41):
Yeah.
Um, so I'm upset right nowbecause of a lot of things, but
um mostly, and I know you'regonna be surprised because I
didn't say this, but theeducation system in our country
is so bad.
And it has failed us, andthat's not to take away
responsibility from otherpeople, but um, so you know, Bag
(01:02):
Bunny is going to be uh doingthe Super Bowl.
That's been the big hot topic.
We're gonna get to thegovernment shutdown in a moment,
but I just want to vent aboutuh what's what's going on there?
Andrea (01:16):
Okay, do you want me to pause?
Carmen Lezeth (01:17):
I don't know.
Did you get it?
I'm gonna make that a clip withno sound.
Um but it's so many people.
I mean, there's like the badpart of social media, which I
know you hate, right?
Which I we all hate, but thenthere's a good part.
So of course there were so manypeople who were like, he's a
(01:38):
foreigner, um, I just don't knowthe Super Bowl is American.
And I was like, wow, likethat's basic information if you
don't know.
But you know what?
Before we get into Puerto Rico,that it's part of the United
States, right?
Were we screaming this loudwhen Bono performed at the Super
(02:02):
Bowl?
Or what's the guy, McCarthy,the guy from the Beatles, Paul
McCartney, or and we can go downthe list.
Andrea (02:13):
I just feel like number one, I literally could not give
a shit who was performing at theSuper Bowl.
Like it's just I do, I do.
Um like to make it into somewhole thing is uh I think a
little bit crazy.
Um, but also I think that thewhining and the crying and the
(02:38):
bitching and the moaning um isindicative of not actually
understanding what the UnitedStates is right now.
Again, going back to we need tounderstand reality, and that is
not even about Puerto Ricobeing Puerto Ricans being
(03:01):
American, that is about the factthat there are a lot of people
in this country who speakSpanish, yeah, who love bad
bunny, who are completely intothis, and a lot of them are
football fans.
So they're playing to theirbase.
Like, what are you worriedabout?
Carmen Lezeth (03:21):
Yeah, I just also it's you know, and again, I I
agree with you.
Like, football is not the mostimportant thing on the planet,
but it's more about what itshows us to be.
Like it, you know what I mean?
Like it's the but I I will saythis, I'm gonna defend some
people.
It was great to see some peopleon TikTok.
So there was like this olderwhite guy with like the mustache
(03:42):
and the long beard or whatever.
And he's like, Oh, what thehell is this super bowl?
Like he was doing that wholegruffy thing or whatever, and
he's like, All right, I'm justgonna listen to one stupid song,
let me hear it, whatever.
And he was just totally like,you know, you would think
stereotypical white guy, farmer,whatever.
And he starts like dancing andhe's like, Oh, I can do this.
It was so funny.
Andrea (04:05):
Yeah, like just it was so cool, you know.
Um that's part of the thing, islike, could you just shut up
and calm down long enough tomaybe even see if you might
enjoy it on a human level?
Like, could you bop a littlebit, maybe?
Carmen Lezeth (04:22):
Maybe I don't know.
Just or just be open-minded tothe possibility that you might
like something, you know what Imean?
And and then there was thisother TikTok where people were
saying, like, I'm not gonnaunderstand anything he says, and
they started like playing songsof white artists, and like it
was like, this is so funny, butit's not, but it is like,
(04:46):
anyways.
Speaker 01 (04:47):
Uh I hear you.
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (04:49):
I just wanted to vent about that.
I'm excited to see Bad Bunny,if only because culturally it's
going to do something for thiscountry to understand some
history, some geography, andhopefully enjoy a little bit of
Latin music, you know?
Andrea (05:04):
Yeah.
Will I watch?
Yes.
Carmen Lezeth (05:06):
Yes.
Andrea (05:06):
Do I care?
Not really.
Carmen Lezeth (05:08):
I care.
I just want to say it again.
I care.
I totally care.
Um these little moments matterto me.
Okay, so why don't we talkabout the government shutdown?
Because I don't think peopleunderstand um why, if the
Republicans are in charge of theHouse, the Senate, and the
presidency, why we're in agovernment shutdown.
Andrea (05:28):
Okay, well, I'm just gonna like throw it out there.
I need not do any research forthis show today.
So I'm just Well I mean thisone's I mean, I know this one.
Uh I'm not testing you.
I was just letting you know.
I mean, I look here's myanswer.
The Republicans love to shutdown the government.
This is their thing.
They love to shut it, they loveit, right?
Carmen Lezeth (05:48):
There is that is their thing.
Let me just tell you, let mejust tell people technically
what's happening here.
So, yes, the Senate.
Um, okay, you need to have 60votes.
It's called a supermajority.
So a simple majority would belike if you just had 51 votes,
right?
That would be a simplemajority.
(06:09):
But when it comes to this partof the whole thing, majiggy,
what happens is you have to havea supermajority, which means
you have to have 60 votes inorder for it to pass.
The Republicans only have 53votes.
That means they have to try tobring up, they have to
negotiate, they have to have aconversation with Democrats and
(06:31):
bring over seven of those votesin order for it to pass.
The reason why we're in thisflux at the moment is because,
and you're gonna love thischild, because I I love this
conversation.
But technically, what'shappening is Democrats are
saying we are not willing togive up the Affordable Care Act,
the provisions in theAffordable Care Act, which is
(06:53):
always conveniently namedObamacare, which Obama has
embraced and he's okay with it,but the Republicans use it as a
way to be dismissive of it orwhatever.
And the Republicans are saying,no, we want a clean, we want a
clean bill.
We just want it, you know, nowthey want a clean bill.
They want a clean bill becausewhat they want to do is actually
(07:14):
get rid of Obamacare little bylittle because they have voted
so many times to try to get ridof it.
If you remember, John McCainvoted not to get rid of it, and
that was like a big deal, butthey've tried over and over
again.
And and this is where I'm gonnahand it over to you.
Um I think the real big reason,the real big reason is because
(07:35):
Donald Trump is a tiny littleman who hates President Obama,
and this is Obama's signaturelegislation, and so he wants it
to be gutted in whatever way,shape, or form they can.
That's what I think.
Andrea (07:50):
Well, yes, I think that there's a number of things going
on, right?
Um and I I truly do believethat they love to shut down the
government, right?
I I think that that they enjoythat.
And like, you know,government's not working anyway,
just shut it all down, and itgives them him an opportunity to
(08:10):
fire people, furlough people,get, you know, do all kinds of
things, right?
And I think that there is um uha sense of like, oh, with
Congress not there, I have somefreedom to do whatever I want,
right?
Um, which he sort of alreadyhas anyway, so I don't really
know what the big deal is there.
But uh yes, I agree.
Like it's it's at least alittle bit, if not a lot bit,
(08:34):
uh, you know, about it beingObamacare and we can't let this
person have this win continuallyover and over through the years
and decades and whatever.
Uh, but they hated it from thebeginning, right?
They've always hated it.
They've always wanted, they'vebeen trying, like you said, over
and over and over again to dodifferent things to reduce its
(08:54):
effectiveness and you know,reduce the ability to get on,
reduce the affordability, all ofthose things, and some of which
they've achieved, right?
And this happens to be whatthey're trying to do now, is a
pretty big one.
Um, you know, I'm sure you knowthat, right?
You have ACA.
Carmen Lezeth (09:10):
So I do have ACA, and I I feel like we should
explain what ACA is.
Well, I'll explain it because Ido use it and I always use it.
I always use it.
So I'm in my 50s, I'm single,and I have what I call
catastrophic medical care, whichmeans every time I go to the
doctors, if I go to the doctorsonce, the preventative care
thing, that's covered.
But if I go for anything else,I have to pay a co-payment and
(09:32):
probably a portion, a certainportion of it.
I call it catastrophic healthcare because it's the lowest
that I can afford through theACA.
And I know that if God forbidsomething were to happen to me,
at least I could go to the, youknow, I can go to the ER or
whatever.
You know what I mean?
Like if I had to, and I mightbe able to afford to get to pay
some of it, whatever.
So I pay $578 every month forthat care, right?
(09:58):
For that health insurance.
And that is uh through BlueShield, and it's a PPO.
So a PPO just means that I canpick my own doctors in that
group.
Okay.
Um, if I didn't have the ACA,it would be $1,300 a month.
So the ACA one person, just me,just me, one person.
(10:20):
And and and everybody whowatches thinks I'm extremely
wealthy because I'm not bougie,but I'm not.
I just don't have children.
But so that's one person, andthat is um because I have a
small business, and so I get, Idon't personally get a subsidy.
The insurance companies get asubsidy to pay that, so the
(10:40):
government gives them that otherhalf of money, so I only have
to pay this amount of money.
Now I want to give people alittle understanding.
$88 billion is spent every yearon the ACA to help subsidize
Americans so that they canafford health care.
That's a lot of money.
(11:00):
It is, that's a lot of money,right?
The government subsidizes $400billion to the oil companies.
Thought I would share that foryou.
Let's just throw that outthere.
Right.
So the oil companies who maketons of profit get $400 billion
(11:22):
in subsidies and tax credits sothat they can, right?
We we supposedly we'reinvesting in the oil industry so
that they can do what they needto do to make their money and
help our economy grow.
Well, why is it so hard to wantto invest in me as an American
or you as an American so thatyou can be healthy and
(11:43):
prosperous and you can help theeconomy grow?
That's about as simplistic as Ican say it.
Andrea (11:49):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, that's what thesenators are fighting for right
now.
That's what the Democrats arefighting for.
Like, should should there besubsidies?
Like, should someone likeCarmen pay $1,300 a month to
insurance, to her insurance me?
Or again, and I think this is akey point should the insurance
(12:11):
company get that subsidy?
This is not going in Carmen'spocket.
It's not, no, okay, so Carmencan flow it through the economy,
be more energy.
This is yeah, right, to stay inher nice hotels and whatever,
right?
Like this is going to theinsurance companies, right?
(12:32):
Companies that we all love,companies that serve us all so
well, companies that have ourbest interests at heart,
companies that definitely arenot driving up the cost of
health care themselves.
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (12:48):
I mean, yeah, that's the other part of it.
I mean, the the real big issueis how janky our insurance,
health insurance situation is inthis country, and how bad it is
that they even have to givesubsidies, you know, but that's
a whole other conversation aboutuniversal health care and
whatever and blah blah.
But if we're just gonna keep itin the whole capitalistic
thing, you know what I mean?
(13:09):
Like, I'm just confused whyAmericans that don't believe
what we believe, which is thathealth care is a right and
investing in Americans is moreimportant to me than investing
in corporations, especially theoil industry.
I guess we're never gonna getsponsored by the oil industry,
uh, you know, who makes billionsand billions of dollars.
(13:31):
And when they make billions andbillions of dollars, they
really don't share it with us.
What they do is they share itwith their shareholders.
So, and look at I'm not againstcapitalism.
I I am against us not takingcare of our people and then
telling the lies, telling thelies over and over and over
(13:51):
again so that we keep thinkingthey're doing us some favor.
Andrea (13:55):
This is socialism.
Carmen Lezeth (13:58):
It's not socialism.
Andrea (13:59):
Well, and even if it is, who is tax dollars?
Who is getting the subsidies?
Who is right, who is reallygetting socialism?
Uh, the oil companies, and theinsurance farmers, the insurance
companies.
I mean, that we already live insocialism.
It's just a matter of who doyou want those tax dollars to
(14:23):
actually go to?
Does it benefit us truly as acountry, as a people on the
planet, to give that money tothe oil companies versus giving
it to people and doing somethingthat helps people live longer,
have better, healthier lives.
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (14:44):
You know, but it's so weird because I was
watching that's why I got into abad mood.
I was watching this morning thenews just to get, you know, I
it was a mistake.
I shouldn't have been watchingit.
Well, no, because in the andthere is a Republican on there
who was just straight up lying.
And it's like, and here's thething, he's not lying.
What he's doing is creating thenarrative so that it fits into
(15:06):
a box so that more Americans canbelieve what he believes.
So he was saying, like, duringCOVID, the uh the Democrats put
more things in place forObamacare.
Of course we did, of course wedid to help people during this
horrible situation that washappening.
And then he's like, and allwe're doing is saying we don't
(15:29):
want that part of it in anymore.
It was just supposed to betemporary.
And it's like, okay, dude, thatmay be technically true, but it
doesn't change the fact thatwhat you're trying to do right
now is gut the whole ACA, akaaka Obamacare because you don't
want to help Americans in thisway.
(15:50):
You want everyone to pullthemselves up by their
bootstraps, even while you'regouging them every day,
everywhere with price increases.
Anyway, don't get me started.
Like, I'm like, I'm gonna getmad.
Like, she on my side, though.
She on my side.
I know, I know, I'm getting onmy tirade, but yeah.
So, well, I hope that helpsexplain at least that part.
(16:12):
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm I'm I'm just disappointedbecause the government shutdown,
if it doesn't get fixedquickly, is going to affect all
of us pretty quickly in the nextthree to four days.
Probably we'll start to feelit.
But I don't think the Democratsare gonna back down.
And which Democrat is gonna sayyes?
(16:34):
Right?
What's up?
Like I said, which Democrat isgonna say yes, let me vote.
Andrea (16:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I I hope they're not
gonna back down, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (16:45):
I don't have a ton of faith in the democratic
leadership right now, but I feellike that would be uh a really
poor choice to make, you know,to not I I guess I don't
understand why Republicans, andI know, I know you have a
loathing feeling aboutRepublicans, but I'm I am
stressed that I don't understandwhy where all the good
(17:08):
Republicans went to, why arethey cowering to this
bullshittery of the Trumpadministration?
I don't know why it'shappening.
Please explain, Anja.
Andrea (17:20):
I I can't, but um, and I'll try to refrain from being
super negative, but I thinkprobably the good Republicans
are independents now.
Carmen Lezeth (17:32):
You're right.
They're like they're therepeople who used to be in the
Republican Party, are now uhindependents, like people like
Nicole Wallace, who ran Bush'syou know administration or
whatever, and now she's on MSNBCand hates the Republican Party,
you know.
Okay, what's that face?
I was just coming up with aperson who's a Republican.
Andrea (17:52):
I just, you know, whatever.
You know, I'm not a veryforgiving person.
I'm not a very forgivingperson.
So, you know, these are thepeople You don't forgive her for
Sarah.
She you don't forgive her forSarah Palin.
No, I can't, I won't, I'm notgonna.
And I know she does a lot of,you know, decent work right now,
but on our side.
Carmen Lezeth (18:09):
You have to let it go.
Should we talk about this?
What's your angst?
Andrea (18:14):
My angst?
No, no, but I mean, like, why,why?
Carmen Lezeth (18:17):
I mean, shh, it wasn't only her decision.
Andrea (18:20):
No, it wasn't, but yeah, I'm you know, I anybody who
worked for the Bushadministration, you're done.
Kind of, yeah.
Um, look, it's a me thing.
I do need to be better aboutbeing.
You know what I mean?
And I think, you know, I likewhat I was gonna say is like in
order for me to let it go, Iwould have to see like real work
(18:44):
in the other direction.
Like a real I think she does.
I think she has to be.
Speaker 01 (18:48):
That's what I that's why I wasn't gonna say it,
right?
Andrea (18:51):
Like I'd have to see like real, um, you know, what's
the word?
Like conciliatory, right?
And you don't like you don'treally see that a lot from a lot
of the men.
No.
I think that she has, andthat's you know, I'll accept
that.
And I do, I have watched her inthe past, and I, you know,
whatever.
And she has some good people onher show, but you know, I'm
(19:11):
always gonna have a little likeI really like her.
Carmen Lezeth (19:15):
I've learned to, I think there are very few
people I watch on networktelevision anymore.
And she's one of the peoplethat I actually record and I'll
listen to her.
Um, I've always liked her, butagain, I've always been a
conservative Democrat, so Inever hated her.
Um, I I also had my issues withanyone during the Bush
administration, but like we saida couple of episodes ago, we'd
give anything to have that back.
Andrea (19:41):
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I I I hear you, but yeah, Ijust don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (19:46):
I I I I think you're right.
All of those Republicans havemoved on and they've either come
to the Democratic side.
I think there's a guy, I forgethis name, but he's you know,
he's a Democrat in Florida, acongressman in Florida, but he
used to be a Republican and astaunch Republican at that.
So um, I forget his name.
I forget his name.
(20:07):
Um, but yeah, I just I don'tunderstand the hold that the
Republican Party has uh withDonald Trump when they can see
so clearly what he's doing.
You know what I mean?
Like that's the other part ofthis that is painful for me.
Andrea (20:24):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I guess I mean it'sracism, but also like I think
it's lying and everything, butyou know what I mean, but also I
think as long as we talkedabout this last time, like as
long as they are close to powerand they're not significantly
(20:48):
touched by it in any way, okay,whatever.
Carmen Lezeth (20:52):
You know, okay, I'd be okay with okay, but but
here's the thing that would makemore sense to me if they
weren't working for the people.
Like, we voted you in, and soyou're supposed to be working
for the people.
And here's what I think needs achange.
If we're going to be shuttingdown the government and people
are not getting paid and they'rebeing furloughed and people are
losing their jobs, then youknow who else shouldn't be
(21:13):
getting paid?
Nobody in the Congress, right?
Nobody else should, theyshouldn't have health care, they
shouldn't have their salarieswhile they're trying to
negotiate all this crapolabecause it isn't affecting.
Andrea (21:24):
Congress shouldn't have his planes and his cars, like
you sit your ass down there andyou don't go anywhere until you
fix this.
I just don't understand.
Carmen Lezeth (21:31):
Like, I and and that goes across all of the
shutdowns that we've livedthrough.
You know what I mean?
Like, but I just want everyoneto understand that when there's
a shutdown and it affects all ofus regular people, it's not
affecting people in Congress whoare taking their sweet time,
trying to come up with a plan toserve you, the American people.
Andrea (21:50):
They also have some pretty serious, seriously good
health care, by the way.
That's what I'm saying.
Carmen Lezeth (21:55):
They have the creme de la creme of health
care.
Like if any of you know acongressperson, which I know one
congressperson, they have thebest health care.
Why don't we get that?
Why it why do we not get that?
Yeah, pensions and everything.
That's why I would run.
Like you run you work for fouryears and all of a sudden you're
set for life.
You know what I mean?
(22:15):
Hey, it's not a bad gig.
Okay, here's the next questionthat I asked you.
Um, do you think Donald Trumpwill run for a third office?
Do you think there'll be anelection?
I guess is the better question.
Andrea (22:28):
Okay, so before I answer that, let's be clear that you
cannot.
Yes, I was gonna say, legally,which we know nothing matters
anymore, but legally, uh the22nd amendment passed in 1951,
so over 70 years ago, says thepresident can, you know, can
(22:48):
only have two terms.
Um, and in order to changethat, you need three-quarters of
the Senate, three-quarters ofthe House, and then it goes out
to the states, and you needthree-quarters of the states who
all agree that this needs to bechanged.
So politically, really hard,right?
Politically, there's no reallegal route for him to do that.
(23:08):
Right.
That said, I think that manintends to stay in the White
House until we drag him out.
Carmen Lezeth (23:16):
Well, he had those hats on the desk that said
Trump 2028.
Can I just tell you?
I I just laughed a little bit.
I giggled because I'm I'm babytry it because Barack Obama will
be elected in a landslide andyou'll be so sad.
I swear to God, that's all Ikeep thinking about.
I'm like, I will, I will move,I will sell all my shit.
Andrea (23:38):
That's the thing.
Like, he can't do it via legalelection.
So let your imagination runwild.
What are the other ways hemight do it?
None of them are good, none ofthem are gonna make you happy.
Uh, but I truly believe like wewill literally have to like
(23:59):
scrape his fingernails off thefloor of the White House to get
him out of there.
Carmen Lezeth (24:04):
So it's either a coup, which is not really our
thing, um, although January 6th,I don't know.
Like, but but then it wouldalso be um um this weird
manipulation where people havetalked about if um what's the
vice president's name?
That num nut, I can't stand himmeans on uh Vance.
Vance.
Yeah, whatever.
Uh so they would elect Vance,which I I don't even imagine
(24:27):
that Republicans would electVance, but again, again, and
then somehow he would step downand allow like there's all these
weird conspiracy theories, noneof them are valid or okay.
It doesn't mean that he's notgoing to try to have us not have
an election.
That's the scarier part, oryeah.
Andrea (24:49):
I mean, I think we need to be mentally, spiritually,
physically, financially preparedfor any kind of crazy shit
because it's coming our way.
Carmen Lezeth (25:02):
Yeah, how are you feeling about the
redistricting?
Are you voting yes, or are youon Arnold Schwarzenegger's side?
Andrea (25:09):
I'm voting yes.
Um I, you know, they send it tome.
Carmen Lezeth (25:13):
Wait, for people who don't know, she would never
vote like any way that aRepublican would.
Andrea (25:19):
So that was like a joke.
Yeah, yeah.
I do like I don't feel goodabout it.
I'm just gonna say it.
I don't feel good about it.
Carmen Lezeth (25:26):
So there so the redistricting that's happening
in California is because GavinNewsom has uh put on the ballot
for this November forCalifornians to change our
redistricting so that we can vilwhat's not vilify.
What's the word?
Nullify.
Nullify.
Vilify.
But no, nullify Texas is givingTrump five seats, like because
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they didn't even have anelection.
They just did it on their own.
So go ahead, Andrea.
Yeah, right.
Andrea (25:53):
I say that right, right?
Yeah, yeah.
It essentially eliminates fiveRepublican held districts, I
believe, in California.
I just read the thing thismorning.
So they sent the things like wealways get these big, you know,
pamphlets and whateverpamphlets that give you all of
the information, and it's youknow, you have to get like a
master's degree in reading andreading stuff.
This well, this time there'sonly one, so you know, thank
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goodness.
Um, but I started to read itthis morning, and of course the
maps are whatever they are, andI'm like, I can't tell if my
district is changing or not.
Because your district mineisn't.
It's not, it's not.
I don't think well, I think itactually, I think it it is like
slightly, but where I am, Iwould be with the same person
who we elected a Democrat.
(26:38):
Um very, very, very centricDemocrat, but a Democrat
nonetheless.
Um, so yeah, I mean, I wetalked about this before.
Like we in California, we havean independent commission.
We voted for that many yearsago.
It's been, you know, we've beenusing it.
It's you know, I read thismorning that it was a model for
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the nation and etc.
etc.
So I do not feel good aboutsaying, let's put that aside and
let's essentially gerrymander.
I don't love that.
However, you know, what have weall been saying really since
2016?
But certainly, certainly sinceJanuary.
Do something, do something.
(27:21):
Yeah.
So you can't, I can't, I'm notgoing to be like, yeah, but not
that.
Carmen Lezeth (27:27):
Right, right.
Not not this thing, right?
We do have to be forced.
Yeah.
Andrea (27:32):
Yeah.
We have to fight the fightwe're in.
Carmen Lezeth (27:35):
Yeah.
It is a model for the rest ofthe nation.
The rest of the nation does notdo it.
No.
So, but it should beindependent people who go in and
make a decision on how yourstate should be district after
the census.
And that's the big deal, isthat we it's no population.
It's always after the census,and now we're like midway
(27:55):
through or whatever, and becauseit's every 10 years we do a
census, right?
Right.
Speaker 01 (27:59):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (27:59):
Um, and so look at I I have no problem at all.
I'm tired of feeling like we'rejust being railroaded all the
time.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm I'm ready for thefight.
Andrea (28:11):
And I look, I I read the article this morning because I
was trying to figure it out, youknow, like, all right, well,
what you know, what what isactually happening here?
What's gonna go away?
And you know, I will bethrilled to see some of these
folks ride off into the sunsetdown to K Street and make their
gajillions being lobbyists.
Carmen Lezeth (28:31):
Like, just right, just go.
Just go.
Yeah, and here's the thing thisis just for now.
Then it goes back to theindependent um council.
Andrea (28:40):
So this is just three cycles, I think it's like 2030
or something like that, that itgoes back to what it was.
Carmen Lezeth (28:47):
And this is for the fight.
And and look at Californiansare voting on it.
So I feel like if we don't wantto fight, we won't, but we we
go and fight.
We go and vote yes.
Yeah, and we vote yes becauseArnold is voting no.
So the opposite of Arnold.
Um, so this is just forCalifornia.
Andrea (29:07):
Like, I'm sorry.
I said, is anyone listening toArnold these days?
Carmen Lezeth (29:12):
You know what?
He was doing okay being like anelder statesman, you know what
I mean?
Like, and he was actually umsaying some things that made
sense at one point regardingsurface issues, you know what I
mean, like fitness or whatever,or healthcare or whatever, you
know, like he does have like heleans heavily Republican on
(29:32):
fiscal things, but he's reallykind of liberal and social on
social issues, in terms of okay.
Sorry.
I'm sorry, I forgot I'm talkingto Andrea.
Center, center, right, center,right?
I'm just saying on some socialissues he's okay, but on this,
because people don't understand,he helped create it.
Yeah, but that's why he's likeall befuddled about it.
(29:54):
It's like, dude, it's not aboutyou, it's not about you.
Sorry.
You know what I mean?
Andrea (29:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and that's another, youknow, sort of brain disease.
Like, uh get it out of yourhead, man.
Everything is not about you.
Carmen Lezeth (30:08):
And that's what I think our problem is with um
Donald Trump.
It it really is all about him.
Oh.
I mean, did you see the speechhe did at the military?
Andrea (30:21):
No, I did not see it.
Oh my god.
I was like this.
I will read about these things.
I do not watch or listen oranything like that.
And I honestly, like, that'sthe thing that as hot as you
just were about the shutdown andACA and all of that, like that
just got me into a tailspin fordays.
I was like, oh my god, thepresident of the United States
(30:46):
just declared war on theAmerican people.
And everyone's like me andTrump.
Oh my god, did you see how theywere all just sitting there
stone faced?
I'm like, they should bepulling out their fucking guns.
Like, you know, this is notokay.
Carmen Lezeth (31:02):
Yeah, no, I think I I so before that was Pete had
seriously.
I I just wanna Pete.
Pete, what the fuck?
Like, you have no business.
This is just for you.
You have no business talking toany of these military people at
all.
Baby.
(31:22):
Like the Hutzpa, is that whatit's called?
Hutzpa?
The the audacity that you thinkyou have the right to talk to
these people about anything, letalone fitness.
Oh my god.
Andrea (31:36):
That's like embarrassing Andrea.
We're gonna do war crimes now.
Hey, guess what?
You can sexually assault anyoneyou want.
Oh, and by the way, stop beingfat.
Yeah.
That's my favorite.
Carmen Lezeth (31:48):
Yeah, he was just, it was embarrassing.
And I look at I I just feelthat white men, like that's the
epitome of pathetic white men.
That's that's what we'retalking about when we're angry
with white men who don't get it.
I'm sorry.
Oh my god, we're not gonna haveany listeners at all.
It's okay because I would havesaid this to you on the phone.
(32:09):
But that but but that's that'sexactly it.
Somebody who thinks they areentitled enough to talk to the
years of experience that was inthat room, and you were a talk
show host and not just.
Andrea (32:42):
You know what I mean?
Like, just they've they'vestrategized and all kinds of
things, you know, done a lot ofthings that I do not agree with
for sure.
But how dare you?
Yeah, I would dare you, yeah,your small little bullshit, get
up there and try to tell themwhat's what.
Carmen Lezeth (33:02):
Like, no.
I mean, this is the thing thatwe as women don't have this
fucking hoot spa bullshittery.
I mean that we don't like, Idon't know anything about what
I'm gonna talk about, but I'mgonna get up and say something
anyways.
Andrea (33:16):
I'm just gonna spout off.
Carmen Lezeth (33:18):
And then Donald Trump, I just think I, you know,
I it was embarrassing.
I I I did watch it because itwas like the car crash you
couldn't not watch.
And I think he was shook by Imean, he was shook by a lot of
things, but then he went off ontangents and he just he can't,
he has no ability to stophimself.
(33:40):
Right.
Like he can't, I don't know howto explain it.
Andrea (33:43):
That's like when you start talking to someone in the
grocery store and you're tryingto be like, I gotta go get my
apples now, and you're juststill going and you're trying to
be polite, and you're like,Okay, oh my god, yeah, that's
crazy, girl.
You know what I mean?
Carmen Lezeth (33:56):
Like, yeah, that's I mean, and and I think
that's it too, but I also I feelI know you're gonna be like I'm
crazy, but I also feel bad forhim because you can see so badly
he wants respect, he wants tobe revered, he wants to be loved
and adored.
He does like, and you have tothink a man, what is he, 78, 79
(34:18):
years old, and he's stillcraving this thing, and he still
hasn't figured out how to getit.
Andrea (34:24):
His wounds are so wide out in the open for anyone to
see.
I mean, it's so blatantlyobvious, psych 101.
Like, you could literally takeyour high school psychology
class and be like, I knowexactly what's wrong with that
motherfucker.
I know, you know, and you'd beright, you'd be totally right.
Carmen Lezeth (34:43):
I just I felt bad for him.
It's the first time I know youwant to hit me.
I know look at your page,you're like, whatever.
I just because it's it's it'snever going to happen for him.
It's never what what he wants,it's never gonna happen.
It's what he always wanted inthe past, too.
He always wanted to be part ofthe celebrity culture, right?
He always wanted to be part oflike being famous and
(35:03):
da-da-da-da-da.
Andrea (35:04):
And it's literally going to piss and throw shit on his
grave, and I'll be right therefirst in line.
Michael, I will not.
I will not take a bag of mychicken shit and pour it right
on top of his grave.
I will.
Carmen Lezeth (35:20):
Okay, now you guys are hearing the real
conversation.
Andrea (35:24):
This is true.
Carmen Lezeth (35:25):
Although I don't think we're shying away in any
other way, but I look at I justthis is look at I just feel bad
for him.
I just feel I just it'swatching him bad for us.
That's who I feel bad for.
I feel bad for us too.
I can do two things at onetime.
I feel bad for us.
But here's the difference.
Andrea (35:43):
I don't feel bad for people who choose to not improve
themselves, who choose to notwork on their shit.
Carmen Lezeth (35:50):
I know, and I'll go even further.
I'm angry with him because he'sused so many ways to hurt other
people for his own bullshitery.
But see, I'm not, I'm not gonnawaste my time on Donald Trump
because Donald Trump he hasissues.
I'm he would not be where he istoday, Andrea, if it isn't for
all the motherfucking enablersaround him who know better.
(36:11):
Yeah, so when you say, Oh,because the proximity to power,
what the fuck?
You know better than this.
I know, you know, not you.
I mean, damn, they know betterthan this.
This man is not they're just asbad.
To me, they're worse because Ithink he's absolutely clueless.
I think he and and I knowpeople be like, no, he's playing
chess, bitch, please.
Andrea (36:34):
He is not playing chess, he's not playing chess, he
ain't even playing.
Carmen Lezeth (36:38):
What's that game with the spots?
Remember, you used to put yourleg on Twister, he ain't even
playing Twister because that wasan easy game, right?
Andrea (36:46):
Yeah, Candyland, shoot some letters.
Yeah, no, he's not playinganything.
He's just like, Whoa.
Carmen Lezeth (36:53):
He actually told the military people.
I don't know if you saw thispart, but he was like, Wow, I've
never walked into a room that'sso quiet.
You can clap if you want.
I was like, Oh my god, stop!They're not gonna, they're the
military, stop.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
I know, I know.
You don't feel bad for him.
I know, yeah.
(37:13):
Are you really that meanthough?
You wouldn't really go stomp onthat.
Andrea (37:17):
Yes, absolutely.
Absolute piece of shit.
I will truly dump shit on thatman's grave.
Truly, 100%.
Carmen Lezeth (37:25):
You're gonna go to Florida to do that?
Because I think that's wherehe's gonna go.
Andrea (37:28):
Okay, well, probably not.
But if I happen to ever bethere, I will make a special
trip.
Carmen Lezeth (37:37):
So I have a beautiful brother from another
mother who lives in Florida, andI I love him to death, but I
cannot go back there again.
I I can't.
I've always not been a fan ofFlorida, but I really can't go
there now.
But um, so I'm gonna end withthis, um, unless you have
anything else you want to add.
So I really want to implorepeople, I don't think you've
(37:58):
seen this, uh, but please watchthe show The West Wing, four
seasons, the first four seasonsby Aaron Sorgens.
If you really want to learnabout how our government works,
there's a lot of political showsout there, I know, but the West
Wing is the gold standardbecause they teach you about
bills and Congress and theSenate and the presidency or
(38:20):
whatever.
And I know that everyone'slike, oh, it's so liberal.
It's not about the liberal,it's about the relationships of
people, you know what I mean?
And actually, we end up havinga lot of Republicans on the
show.
Ainsley Hayes is one of myfavorite characters, and she's a
Republican on the show, andshe's amazing.
But I I want to explain topeople that if you want to learn
about how politics works,that's the easiest way to learn
(38:42):
it, and it's a really good show.
And I just want to tell youwho's on it because that might
entice.
I'm not getting paid at all byuh, but I'm not.
No, I'm kidding.
Rob Lowe, Alison Janney, MartinSheehan, Bradley Whitford,
Dooley Hill, Joshua Molina,Elizabeth Moss, who everyone
knows from Handsmade Tales andwhatever, I guess, uh Mad Men.
(39:03):
These are the people that arein this show, and they are the
stars of the show, and it'sreally good.
And if you want to know how Ilearned most about politics, um,
that's how I got thesolidification of understanding
how things work.
Um, and it's really not aboutthe liberal or conservative part
of this, it's about thestructure of how our government
(39:24):
works.
So, anyways, I can hearsomething in the background.
Speaker 01 (39:28):
Yeah, that's the gardener.
Carmen Lezeth (39:32):
Really?
We have a gardener, do we?
No, I'm just kidding.
Andrea (39:35):
Okay, everyone.
Carmen Lezeth (39:36):
I had to mention it because I'm not gonna be able
to get that out.
Andrea (39:39):
No, I was gonna mute myself, but I'm sorry.
Carmen Lezeth (39:41):
No, no, it's all good.
It's all good.
So, anyways, um, Andrea, thankyou as always.
And um, everyone, uh, we haveour Friday night shows at 6 p.m.
Pacific, 9 p.m.
Eastern, where everyone cancome and hang out.
So I hope you'll come and joinus.
And uh remember, at the end ofthe day, it really is all about
the joy.
It really is.
Andrea (39:58):
So you gotta find it somewhere, girl.
Carmen Lezeth (40:01):
Bye, everyone.
Andrea (40:03):
Bye.
Carmen Lezeth (40:05):
Thanks for stopping by, all about the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Hey, what's up, Andrea?
Andrea (00:08):
Hey.
Carmen Lezeth (00:10):
I see we both just got out of the shower.
Yeah.
Andrea (00:16):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (00:17):
I have to tell you, I'm a little bit, I'm I I
think this is going to be harderthan I thought because I
realize like we don't alwaystalk all the time and definitely
not always about politics.
And so now, since that's ourfocus, there's a part of me
that's like depressed every timeI come on now.
Andrea (00:36):
I know we need to have our like phone girl time talk.
Right, yeah, exactly.
Carmen Lezeth (00:41):
Yeah.
Um, so I'm upset right nowbecause of a lot of things, but
um mostly, and I know you'regonna be surprised because I
didn't say this, but theeducation system in our country
is so bad.
And it has failed us, andthat's not to take away
responsibility from otherpeople, but um, so you know, Bag
(01:02):
Bunny is going to be uh doingthe Super Bowl.
That's been the big hot topic.
We're gonna get to thegovernment shutdown in a moment,
but I just want to vent aboutuh what's what's going on there?
Andrea (01:16):
Okay, do you want me to pause?
Carmen Lezeth (01:17):
I don't know.
Did you get it?
I'm gonna make that a clip withno sound.
Um but it's so many people.
I mean, there's like the badpart of social media, which I
know you hate, right?
Which I we all hate, but thenthere's a good part.
So of course there were so manypeople who were like, he's a
(01:38):
foreigner, um, I just don't knowthe Super Bowl is American.
And I was like, wow, likethat's basic information if you
don't know.
But you know what?
Before we get into Puerto Rico,that it's part of the United
States, right?
Were we screaming this loudwhen Bono performed at the Super
(02:02):
Bowl?
Or what's the guy, McCarthy,the guy from the Beatles, Paul
McCartney, or and we can go downthe list.
Andrea (02:13):
I just feel like number one, I literally could not give
a shit who was performing at theSuper Bowl.
Like it's just I do, I do.
Um like to make it into somewhole thing is uh I think a
little bit crazy.
Um, but also I think that thewhining and the crying and the
(02:38):
bitching and the moaning um isindicative of not actually
understanding what the UnitedStates is right now.
Again, going back to we need tounderstand reality, and that is
not even about Puerto Ricobeing Puerto Ricans being
(03:01):
American, that is about the factthat there are a lot of people
in this country who speakSpanish, yeah, who love bad
bunny, who are completely intothis, and a lot of them are
football fans.
So they're playing to theirbase.
Like, what are you worriedabout?
Carmen Lezeth (03:21):
Yeah, I just also it's you know, and again, I I
agree with you.
Like, football is not the mostimportant thing on the planet,
but it's more about what itshows us to be.
Like it, you know what I mean?
Like it's the but I I will saythis, I'm gonna defend some
people.
It was great to see some peopleon TikTok.
So there was like this olderwhite guy with like the mustache
(03:42):
and the long beard or whatever.
And he's like, Oh, what thehell is this super bowl?
Like he was doing that wholegruffy thing or whatever, and
he's like, All right, I'm justgonna listen to one stupid song,
let me hear it, whatever.
And he was just totally like,you know, you would think
stereotypical white guy, farmer,whatever.
And he starts like dancing andhe's like, Oh, I can do this.
It was so funny.
Andrea (04:05):
Yeah, like just it was so cool, you know.
Um that's part of the thing, islike, could you just shut up
and calm down long enough tomaybe even see if you might
enjoy it on a human level?
Like, could you bop a littlebit, maybe?
Carmen Lezeth (04:22):
Maybe I don't know.
Just or just be open-minded tothe possibility that you might
like something, you know what Imean?
And and then there was thisother TikTok where people were
saying, like, I'm not gonnaunderstand anything he says, and
they started like playing songsof white artists, and like it
was like, this is so funny, butit's not, but it is like,
(04:46):
anyways.
Speaker 01 (04:47):
Uh I hear you.
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (04:49):
I just wanted to vent about that.
I'm excited to see Bad Bunny,if only because culturally it's
going to do something for thiscountry to understand some
history, some geography, andhopefully enjoy a little bit of
Latin music, you know?
Andrea (05:04):
Yeah.
Will I watch?
Yes.
Carmen Lezeth (05:06):
Yes.
Andrea (05:06):
Do I care?
Not really.
Carmen Lezeth (05:08):
I care.
I just want to say it again.
I care.
I totally care.
Um these little moments matterto me.
Okay, so why don't we talkabout the government shutdown?
Because I don't think peopleunderstand um why, if the
Republicans are in charge of theHouse, the Senate, and the
presidency, why we're in agovernment shutdown.
Andrea (05:28):
Okay, well, I'm just gonna like throw it out there.
I need not do any research forthis show today.
So I'm just Well I mean thisone's I mean, I know this one.
Uh I'm not testing you.
I was just letting you know.
I mean, I look here's myanswer.
The Republicans love to shutdown the government.
This is their thing.
They love to shut it, they loveit, right?
Carmen Lezeth (05:48):
There is that is their thing.
Let me just tell you, let mejust tell people technically
what's happening here.
So, yes, the Senate.
Um, okay, you need to have 60votes.
It's called a supermajority.
So a simple majority would belike if you just had 51 votes,
right?
That would be a simplemajority.
(06:09):
But when it comes to this partof the whole thing, majiggy,
what happens is you have to havea supermajority, which means
you have to have 60 votes inorder for it to pass.
The Republicans only have 53votes.
That means they have to try tobring up, they have to
negotiate, they have to have aconversation with Democrats and
(06:31):
bring over seven of those votesin order for it to pass.
The reason why we're in thisflux at the moment is because,
and you're gonna love thischild, because I I love this
conversation.
But technically, what'shappening is Democrats are
saying we are not willing togive up the Affordable Care Act,
the provisions in theAffordable Care Act, which is
(06:53):
always conveniently namedObamacare, which Obama has
embraced and he's okay with it,but the Republicans use it as a
way to be dismissive of it orwhatever.
And the Republicans are saying,no, we want a clean, we want a
clean bill.
We just want it, you know, nowthey want a clean bill.
They want a clean bill becausewhat they want to do is actually
(07:14):
get rid of Obamacare little bylittle because they have voted
so many times to try to get ridof it.
If you remember, John McCainvoted not to get rid of it, and
that was like a big deal, butthey've tried over and over
again.
And and this is where I'm gonnahand it over to you.
Um I think the real big reason,the real big reason is because
(07:35):
Donald Trump is a tiny littleman who hates President Obama,
and this is Obama's signaturelegislation, and so he wants it
to be gutted in whatever way,shape, or form they can.
That's what I think.
Andrea (07:50):
Well, yes, I think that there's a number of things going
on, right?
Um and I I truly do believethat they love to shut down the
government, right?
I I think that that they enjoythat.
And like, you know,government's not working anyway,
just shut it all down, and itgives them him an opportunity to
(08:10):
fire people, furlough people,get, you know, do all kinds of
things, right?
And I think that there is um uha sense of like, oh, with
Congress not there, I have somefreedom to do whatever I want,
right?
Um, which he sort of alreadyhas anyway, so I don't really
know what the big deal is there.
But uh yes, I agree.
Like it's it's at least alittle bit, if not a lot bit,
(08:34):
uh, you know, about it beingObamacare and we can't let this
person have this win continuallyover and over through the years
and decades and whatever.
Uh, but they hated it from thebeginning, right?
They've always hated it.
They've always wanted, they'vebeen trying, like you said, over
and over and over again to dodifferent things to reduce its
(08:54):
effectiveness and you know,reduce the ability to get on,
reduce the affordability, all ofthose things, and some of which
they've achieved, right?
And this happens to be whatthey're trying to do now, is a
pretty big one.
Um, you know, I'm sure you knowthat, right?
You have ACA.
Carmen Lezeth (09:10):
So I do have ACA, and I I feel like we should
explain what ACA is.
Well, I'll explain it because Ido use it and I always use it.
I always use it.
So I'm in my 50s, I'm single,and I have what I call
catastrophic medical care, whichmeans every time I go to the
doctors, if I go to the doctorsonce, the preventative care
thing, that's covered.
But if I go for anything else,I have to pay a co-payment and
(09:32):
probably a portion, a certainportion of it.
I call it catastrophic healthcare because it's the lowest
that I can afford through theACA.
And I know that if God forbidsomething were to happen to me,
at least I could go to the, youknow, I can go to the ER or
whatever.
You know what I mean?
Like if I had to, and I mightbe able to afford to get to pay
some of it, whatever.
So I pay $578 every month forthat care, right?
(09:58):
For that health insurance.
And that is uh through BlueShield, and it's a PPO.
So a PPO just means that I canpick my own doctors in that
group.
Okay.
Um, if I didn't have the ACA,it would be $1,300 a month.
So the ACA one person, just me,just me, one person.
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And and and everybody whowatches thinks I'm extremely
wealthy because I'm not bougie,but I'm not.
I just don't have children.
But so that's one person, andthat is um because I have a
small business, and so I get, Idon't personally get a subsidy.
The insurance companies get asubsidy to pay that, so the
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government gives them that otherhalf of money, so I only have
to pay this amount of money.
Now I want to give people alittle understanding.
$88 billion is spent every yearon the ACA to help subsidize
Americans so that they canafford health care.
That's a lot of money.
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It is, that's a lot of money,right?
The government subsidizes $400billion to the oil companies.
Thought I would share that foryou.
Let's just throw that outthere.
Right.
So the oil companies who maketons of profit get $400 billion
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in subsidies and tax credits sothat they can, right?
We we supposedly we'reinvesting in the oil industry so
that they can do what they needto do to make their money and
help our economy grow.
Well, why is it so hard to wantto invest in me as an American
or you as an American so thatyou can be healthy and
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prosperous and you can help theeconomy grow?
That's about as simplistic as Ican say it.
Andrea (11:49):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, that's what thesenators are fighting for right
now.
That's what the Democrats arefighting for.
Like, should should there besubsidies?
Like, should someone likeCarmen pay $1,300 a month to
insurance, to her insurance me?
Or again, and I think this is akey point should the insurance
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company get that subsidy?
This is not going in Carmen'spocket.
It's not, no, okay, so Carmencan flow it through the economy,
be more energy.
This is yeah, right, to stay inher nice hotels and whatever,
right?
Like this is going to theinsurance companies, right?
(12:32):
Companies that we all love,companies that serve us all so
well, companies that have ourbest interests at heart,
companies that definitely arenot driving up the cost of
health care themselves.
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (12:48):
I mean, yeah, that's the other part of it.
I mean, the the real big issueis how janky our insurance,
health insurance situation is inthis country, and how bad it is
that they even have to givesubsidies, you know, but that's
a whole other conversation aboutuniversal health care and
whatever and blah blah.
But if we're just gonna keep itin the whole capitalistic
thing, you know what I mean?
(13:09):
Like, I'm just confused whyAmericans that don't believe
what we believe, which is thathealth care is a right and
investing in Americans is moreimportant to me than investing
in corporations, especially theoil industry.
I guess we're never gonna getsponsored by the oil industry,
uh, you know, who makes billionsand billions of dollars.
(13:31):
And when they make billions andbillions of dollars, they
really don't share it with us.
What they do is they share itwith their shareholders.
So, and look at I'm not againstcapitalism.
I I am against us not takingcare of our people and then
telling the lies, telling thelies over and over and over
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again so that we keep thinkingthey're doing us some favor.
Andrea (13:55):
This is socialism.
Carmen Lezeth (13:58):
It's not socialism.
Andrea (13:59):
Well, and even if it is, who is tax dollars?
Who is getting the subsidies?
Who is right, who is reallygetting socialism?
Uh, the oil companies, and theinsurance farmers, the insurance
companies.
I mean, that we already live insocialism.
It's just a matter of who doyou want those tax dollars to
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actually go to?
Does it benefit us truly as acountry, as a people on the
planet, to give that money tothe oil companies versus giving
it to people and doing somethingthat helps people live longer,
have better, healthier lives.
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (14:44):
You know, but it's so weird because I was
watching that's why I got into abad mood.
I was watching this morning thenews just to get, you know, I
it was a mistake.
I shouldn't have been watchingit.
Well, no, because in the andthere is a Republican on there
who was just straight up lying.
And it's like, and here's thething, he's not lying.
What he's doing is creating thenarrative so that it fits into
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a box so that more Americans canbelieve what he believes.
So he was saying, like, duringCOVID, the uh the Democrats put
more things in place forObamacare.
Of course we did, of course wedid to help people during this
horrible situation that washappening.
And then he's like, and allwe're doing is saying we don't
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want that part of it in anymore.
It was just supposed to betemporary.
And it's like, okay, dude, thatmay be technically true, but it
doesn't change the fact thatwhat you're trying to do right
now is gut the whole ACA, akaaka Obamacare because you don't
want to help Americans in thisway.
(15:50):
You want everyone to pullthemselves up by their
bootstraps, even while you'regouging them every day,
everywhere with price increases.
Anyway, don't get me started.
Like, I'm like, I'm gonna getmad.
Like, she on my side, though.
She on my side.
I know, I know, I'm getting onmy tirade, but yeah.
So, well, I hope that helpsexplain at least that part.
(16:12):
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm I'm I'm just disappointedbecause the government shutdown,
if it doesn't get fixedquickly, is going to affect all
of us pretty quickly in the nextthree to four days.
Probably we'll start to feelit.
But I don't think the Democratsare gonna back down.
And which Democrat is gonna sayyes?
(16:34):
Right?
What's up?
Like I said, which Democrat isgonna say yes, let me vote.
Andrea (16:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I I hope they're not
gonna back down, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (16:45):
I don't have a ton of faith in the democratic
leadership right now, but I feellike that would be uh a really
poor choice to make, you know,to not I I guess I don't
understand why Republicans, andI know, I know you have a
loathing feeling aboutRepublicans, but I'm I am
stressed that I don't understandwhy where all the good
(17:08):
Republicans went to, why arethey cowering to this
bullshittery of the Trumpadministration?
I don't know why it'shappening.
Please explain, Anja.
Andrea (17:20):
I I can't, but um, and I'll try to refrain from being
super negative, but I thinkprobably the good Republicans
are independents now.
Carmen Lezeth (17:32):
You're right.
They're like they're therepeople who used to be in the
Republican Party, are now uhindependents, like people like
Nicole Wallace, who ran Bush'syou know administration or
whatever, and now she's on MSNBCand hates the Republican Party,
you know.
Okay, what's that face?
I was just coming up with aperson who's a Republican.
Andrea (17:52):
I just, you know, whatever.
You know, I'm not a veryforgiving person.
I'm not a very forgivingperson.
So, you know, these are thepeople You don't forgive her for
Sarah.
She you don't forgive her forSarah Palin.
No, I can't, I won't, I'm notgonna.
And I know she does a lot of,you know, decent work right now,
but on our side.
Carmen Lezeth (18:09):
You have to let it go.
Should we talk about this?
What's your angst?
Andrea (18:14):
My angst?
No, no, but I mean, like, why,why?
Carmen Lezeth (18:17):
I mean, shh, it wasn't only her decision.
Andrea (18:20):
No, it wasn't, but yeah, I'm you know, I anybody who
worked for the Bushadministration, you're done.
Kind of, yeah.
Um, look, it's a me thing.
I do need to be better aboutbeing.
You know what I mean?
And I think, you know, I likewhat I was gonna say is like in
order for me to let it go, Iwould have to see like real work
(18:44):
in the other direction.
Like a real I think she does.
I think she has to be.
Speaker 01 (18:48):
That's what I that's why I wasn't gonna say it,
right?
Andrea (18:51):
Like I'd have to see like real, um, you know, what's
the word?
Like conciliatory, right?
And you don't like you don'treally see that a lot from a lot
of the men.
No.
I think that she has, andthat's you know, I'll accept
that.
And I do, I have watched her inthe past, and I, you know,
whatever.
And she has some good people onher show, but you know, I'm
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always gonna have a little likeI really like her.
Carmen Lezeth (19:15):
I've learned to, I think there are very few
people I watch on networktelevision anymore.
And she's one of the peoplethat I actually record and I'll
listen to her.
Um, I've always liked her, butagain, I've always been a
conservative Democrat, so Inever hated her.
Um, I I also had my issues withanyone during the Bush
administration, but like we saida couple of episodes ago, we'd
give anything to have that back.
Andrea (19:41):
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I I I hear you, but yeah, Ijust don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (19:46):
I I I I think you're right.
All of those Republicans havemoved on and they've either come
to the Democratic side.
I think there's a guy, I forgethis name, but he's you know,
he's a Democrat in Florida, acongressman in Florida, but he
used to be a Republican and astaunch Republican at that.
So um, I forget his name.
I forget his name.
(20:07):
Um, but yeah, I just I don'tunderstand the hold that the
Republican Party has uh withDonald Trump when they can see
so clearly what he's doing.
You know what I mean?
Like that's the other part ofthis that is painful for me.
Andrea (20:24):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I guess I mean it'sracism, but also like I think
it's lying and everything, butyou know what I mean, but also I
think as long as we talkedabout this last time, like as
long as they are close to powerand they're not significantly
(20:48):
touched by it in any way, okay,whatever.
Carmen Lezeth (20:52):
You know, okay, I'd be okay with okay, but but
here's the thing that would makemore sense to me if they
weren't working for the people.
Like, we voted you in, and soyou're supposed to be working
for the people.
And here's what I think needs achange.
If we're going to be shuttingdown the government and people
are not getting paid and they'rebeing furloughed and people are
losing their jobs, then youknow who else shouldn't be
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getting paid?
Nobody in the Congress, right?
Nobody else should, theyshouldn't have health care, they
shouldn't have their salarieswhile they're trying to
negotiate all this crapolabecause it isn't affecting.
Andrea (21:24):
Congress shouldn't have his planes and his cars, like
you sit your ass down there andyou don't go anywhere until you
fix this.
I just don't understand.
Carmen Lezeth (21:31):
Like, I and and that goes across all of the
shutdowns that we've livedthrough.
You know what I mean?
Like, but I just want everyoneto understand that when there's
a shutdown and it affects all ofus regular people, it's not
affecting people in Congress whoare taking their sweet time,
trying to come up with a plan toserve you, the American people.
Andrea (21:50):
They also have some pretty serious, seriously good
health care, by the way.
That's what I'm saying.
Carmen Lezeth (21:55):
They have the creme de la creme of health
care.
Like if any of you know acongressperson, which I know one
congressperson, they have thebest health care.
Why don't we get that?
Why it why do we not get that?
Yeah, pensions and everything.
That's why I would run.
Like you run you work for fouryears and all of a sudden you're
set for life.
You know what I mean?
(22:15):
Hey, it's not a bad gig.
Okay, here's the next questionthat I asked you.
Um, do you think Donald Trumpwill run for a third office?
Do you think there'll be anelection?
I guess is the better question.
Andrea (22:28):
Okay, so before I answer that, let's be clear that you
cannot.
Yes, I was gonna say, legally,which we know nothing matters
anymore, but legally, uh the22nd amendment passed in 1951,
so over 70 years ago, says thepresident can, you know, can
(22:48):
only have two terms.
Um, and in order to changethat, you need three-quarters of
the Senate, three-quarters ofthe House, and then it goes out
to the states, and you needthree-quarters of the states who
all agree that this needs to bechanged.
So politically, really hard,right?
Politically, there's no reallegal route for him to do that.
(23:08):
Right.
That said, I think that manintends to stay in the White
House until we drag him out.
Carmen Lezeth (23:16):
Well, he had those hats on the desk that said
Trump 2028.
Can I just tell you?
I I just laughed a little bit.
I giggled because I'm I'm babytry it because Barack Obama will
be elected in a landslide andyou'll be so sad.
I swear to God, that's all Ikeep thinking about.
I'm like, I will, I will move,I will sell all my shit.
Andrea (23:38):
That's the thing.
Like, he can't do it via legalelection.
So let your imagination runwild.
What are the other ways hemight do it?
None of them are good, none ofthem are gonna make you happy.
Uh, but I truly believe like wewill literally have to like
(23:59):
scrape his fingernails off thefloor of the White House to get
him out of there.
Carmen Lezeth (24:04):
So it's either a coup, which is not really our
thing, um, although January 6th,I don't know.
Like, but but then it wouldalso be um um this weird
manipulation where people havetalked about if um what's the
vice president's name?
That num nut, I can't stand himmeans on uh Vance.
Vance.
Yeah, whatever.
Uh so they would elect Vance,which I I don't even imagine
(24:27):
that Republicans would electVance, but again, again, and
then somehow he would step downand allow like there's all these
weird conspiracy theories, noneof them are valid or okay.
It doesn't mean that he's notgoing to try to have us not have
an election.
That's the scarier part, oryeah.
Andrea (24:49):
I mean, I think we need to be mentally, spiritually,
physically, financially preparedfor any kind of crazy shit
because it's coming our way.
Carmen Lezeth (25:02):
Yeah, how are you feeling about the
redistricting?
Are you voting yes, or are youon Arnold Schwarzenegger's side?
Andrea (25:09):
I'm voting yes.
Um I, you know, they send it tome.
Carmen Lezeth (25:13):
Wait, for people who don't know, she would never
vote like any way that aRepublican would.
Andrea (25:19):
So that was like a joke.
Yeah, yeah.
I do like I don't feel goodabout it.
I'm just gonna say it.
I don't feel good about it.
Carmen Lezeth (25:26):
So there so the redistricting that's happening
in California is because GavinNewsom has uh put on the ballot
for this November forCalifornians to change our
redistricting so that we can vilwhat's not vilify.
What's the word?
Nullify.
Nullify.
Vilify.
But no, nullify Texas is givingTrump five seats, like because
(25:49):
they didn't even have anelection.
They just did it on their own.
So go ahead, Andrea.
Yeah, right.
Andrea (25:53):
I say that right, right?
Yeah, yeah.
It essentially eliminates fiveRepublican held districts, I
believe, in California.
I just read the thing thismorning.
So they sent the things like wealways get these big, you know,
pamphlets and whateverpamphlets that give you all of
the information, and it's youknow, you have to get like a
master's degree in reading andreading stuff.
This well, this time there'sonly one, so you know, thank
(26:16):
goodness.
Um, but I started to read itthis morning, and of course the
maps are whatever they are, andI'm like, I can't tell if my
district is changing or not.
Because your district mineisn't.
It's not, it's not.
I don't think well, I think itactually, I think it it is like
slightly, but where I am, Iwould be with the same person
who we elected a Democrat.
(26:38):
Um very, very, very centricDemocrat, but a Democrat
nonetheless.
Um, so yeah, I mean, I wetalked about this before.
Like we in California, we havean independent commission.
We voted for that many yearsago.
It's been, you know, we've beenusing it.
It's you know, I read thismorning that it was a model for
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the nation and etc.
etc.
So I do not feel good aboutsaying, let's put that aside and
let's essentially gerrymander.
I don't love that.
However, you know, what have weall been saying really since
2016?
But certainly, certainly sinceJanuary.
Do something, do something.
(27:21):
Yeah.
So you can't, I can't, I'm notgoing to be like, yeah, but not
that.
Carmen Lezeth (27:27):
Right, right.
Not not this thing, right?
We do have to be forced.
Yeah.
Andrea (27:32):
Yeah.
We have to fight the fightwe're in.
Carmen Lezeth (27:35):
Yeah.
It is a model for the rest ofthe nation.
The rest of the nation does notdo it.
No.
So, but it should beindependent people who go in and
make a decision on how yourstate should be district after
the census.
And that's the big deal, isthat we it's no population.
It's always after the census,and now we're like midway
(27:55):
through or whatever, and becauseit's every 10 years we do a
census, right?
Right.
Speaker 01 (27:59):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (27:59):
Um, and so look at I I have no problem at all.
I'm tired of feeling like we'rejust being railroaded all the
time.
You know what I mean?
Like I'm I'm ready for thefight.
Andrea (28:11):
And I look, I I read the article this morning because I
was trying to figure it out, youknow, like, all right, well,
what you know, what what isactually happening here?
What's gonna go away?
And you know, I will bethrilled to see some of these
folks ride off into the sunsetdown to K Street and make their
gajillions being lobbyists.
Carmen Lezeth (28:31):
Like, just right, just go.
Just go.
Yeah, and here's the thing thisis just for now.
Then it goes back to theindependent um council.
Andrea (28:40):
So this is just three cycles, I think it's like 2030
or something like that, that itgoes back to what it was.
Carmen Lezeth (28:47):
And this is for the fight.
And and look at Californiansare voting on it.
So I feel like if we don't wantto fight, we won't, but we we
go and fight.
We go and vote yes.
Yeah, and we vote yes becauseArnold is voting no.
So the opposite of Arnold.
Um, so this is just forCalifornia.
Andrea (29:07):
Like, I'm sorry.
I said, is anyone listening toArnold these days?
Carmen Lezeth (29:12):
You know what?
He was doing okay being like anelder statesman, you know what
I mean?
Like, and he was actually umsaying some things that made
sense at one point regardingsurface issues, you know what I
mean, like fitness or whatever,or healthcare or whatever, you
know, like he does have like heleans heavily Republican on
(29:32):
fiscal things, but he's reallykind of liberal and social on
social issues, in terms of okay.
Sorry.
I'm sorry, I forgot I'm talkingto Andrea.
Center, center, right, center,right?
I'm just saying on some socialissues he's okay, but on this,
because people don't understand,he helped create it.
Yeah, but that's why he's likeall befuddled about it.
(29:54):
It's like, dude, it's not aboutyou, it's not about you.
Sorry.
You know what I mean?
Andrea (29:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and that's another, youknow, sort of brain disease.
Like, uh get it out of yourhead, man.
Everything is not about you.
Carmen Lezeth (30:08):
And that's what I think our problem is with um
Donald Trump.
It it really is all about him.
Oh.
I mean, did you see the speechhe did at the military?
Andrea (30:21):
No, I did not see it.
Oh my god.
I was like this.
I will read about these things.
I do not watch or listen oranything like that.
And I honestly, like, that'sthe thing that as hot as you
just were about the shutdown andACA and all of that, like that
just got me into a tailspin fordays.
I was like, oh my god, thepresident of the United States
(30:46):
just declared war on theAmerican people.
And everyone's like me andTrump.
Oh my god, did you see how theywere all just sitting there
stone faced?
I'm like, they should bepulling out their fucking guns.
Like, you know, this is notokay.
Carmen Lezeth (31:02):
Yeah, no, I think I I so before that was Pete had
seriously.
I I just wanna Pete.
Pete, what the fuck?
Like, you have no business.
This is just for you.
You have no business talking toany of these military people at
all.
Baby.
(31:22):
Like the Hutzpa, is that whatit's called?
Hutzpa?
The the audacity that you thinkyou have the right to talk to
these people about anything, letalone fitness.
Oh my god.
Andrea (31:36):
That's like embarrassing Andrea.
We're gonna do war crimes now.
Hey, guess what?
You can sexually assault anyoneyou want.
Oh, and by the way, stop beingfat.
Yeah.
That's my favorite.
Carmen Lezeth (31:48):
Yeah, he was just, it was embarrassing.
And I look at I I just feelthat white men, like that's the
epitome of pathetic white men.
That's that's what we'retalking about when we're angry
with white men who don't get it.
I'm sorry.
Oh my god, we're not gonna haveany listeners at all.
It's okay because I would havesaid this to you on the phone.
(32:09):
But that but but that's that'sexactly it.
Somebody who thinks they areentitled enough to talk to the
years of experience that was inthat room, and you were a talk
show host and not just.
Andrea (32:42):
You know what I mean?
Like, just they've they'vestrategized and all kinds of
things, you know, done a lot ofthings that I do not agree with
for sure.
But how dare you?
Yeah, I would dare you, yeah,your small little bullshit, get
up there and try to tell themwhat's what.
Carmen Lezeth (33:02):
Like, no.
I mean, this is the thing thatwe as women don't have this
fucking hoot spa bullshittery.
I mean that we don't like, Idon't know anything about what
I'm gonna talk about, but I'mgonna get up and say something
anyways.
Andrea (33:16):
I'm just gonna spout off.
Carmen Lezeth (33:18):
And then Donald Trump, I just think I, you know,
I it was embarrassing.
I I I did watch it because itwas like the car crash you
couldn't not watch.
And I think he was shook by Imean, he was shook by a lot of
things, but then he went off ontangents and he just he can't,
he has no ability to stophimself.
(33:40):
Right.
Like he can't, I don't know howto explain it.
Andrea (33:43):
That's like when you start talking to someone in the
grocery store and you're tryingto be like, I gotta go get my
apples now, and you're juststill going and you're trying to
be polite, and you're like,Okay, oh my god, yeah, that's
crazy, girl.
You know what I mean?
Carmen Lezeth (33:56):
Like, yeah, that's I mean, and and I think
that's it too, but I also I feelI know you're gonna be like I'm
crazy, but I also feel bad forhim because you can see so badly
he wants respect, he wants tobe revered, he wants to be loved
and adored.
He does like, and you have tothink a man, what is he, 78, 79
(34:18):
years old, and he's stillcraving this thing, and he still
hasn't figured out how to getit.
Andrea (34:24):
His wounds are so wide out in the open for anyone to
see.
I mean, it's so blatantlyobvious, psych 101.
Like, you could literally takeyour high school psychology
class and be like, I knowexactly what's wrong with that
motherfucker.
I know, you know, and you'd beright, you'd be totally right.
Carmen Lezeth (34:43):
I just I felt bad for him.
It's the first time I know youwant to hit me.
I know look at your page,you're like, whatever.
I just because it's it's it'snever going to happen for him.
It's never what what he wants,it's never gonna happen.
It's what he always wanted inthe past, too.
He always wanted to be part ofthe celebrity culture, right?
He always wanted to be part oflike being famous and
(35:03):
da-da-da-da-da.
Andrea (35:04):
And it's literally going to piss and throw shit on his
grave, and I'll be right therefirst in line.
Michael, I will not.
I will not take a bag of mychicken shit and pour it right
on top of his grave.
I will.
Carmen Lezeth (35:20):
Okay, now you guys are hearing the real
conversation.
Andrea (35:24):
This is true.
Carmen Lezeth (35:25):
Although I don't think we're shying away in any
other way, but I look at I justthis is look at I just feel bad
for him.
I just feel I just it'swatching him bad for us.
That's who I feel bad for.
I feel bad for us too.
I can do two things at onetime.
I feel bad for us.
But here's the difference.
Andrea (35:43):
I don't feel bad for people who choose to not improve
themselves, who choose to notwork on their shit.
Carmen Lezeth (35:50):
I know, and I'll go even further.
I'm angry with him because he'sused so many ways to hurt other
people for his own bullshitery.
But see, I'm not, I'm not gonnawaste my time on Donald Trump
because Donald Trump he hasissues.
I'm he would not be where he istoday, Andrea, if it isn't for
all the motherfucking enablersaround him who know better.
(36:11):
Yeah, so when you say, Oh,because the proximity to power,
what the fuck?
You know better than this.
I know, you know, not you.
I mean, damn, they know betterthan this.
This man is not they're just asbad.
To me, they're worse because Ithink he's absolutely clueless.
I think he and and I knowpeople be like, no, he's playing
chess, bitch, please.
Andrea (36:34):
He is not playing chess, he's not playing chess, he
ain't even playing.
Carmen Lezeth (36:38):
What's that game with the spots?
Remember, you used to put yourleg on Twister, he ain't even
playing Twister because that wasan easy game, right?
Andrea (36:46):
Yeah, Candyland, shoot some letters.
Yeah, no, he's not playinganything.
He's just like, Whoa.
Carmen Lezeth (36:53):
He actually told the military people.
I don't know if you saw thispart, but he was like, Wow, I've
never walked into a room that'sso quiet.
You can clap if you want.
I was like, Oh my god, stop!They're not gonna, they're the
military, stop.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
I know, I know.
You don't feel bad for him.
I know, yeah.
(37:13):
Are you really that meanthough?
You wouldn't really go stomp onthat.
Andrea (37:17):
Yes, absolutely.
Absolute piece of shit.
I will truly dump shit on thatman's grave.
Truly, 100%.
Carmen Lezeth (37:25):
You're gonna go to Florida to do that?
Because I think that's wherehe's gonna go.
Andrea (37:28):
Okay, well, probably not.
But if I happen to ever bethere, I will make a special
trip.
Carmen Lezeth (37:37):
So I have a beautiful brother from another
mother who lives in Florida, andI I love him to death, but I
cannot go back there again.
I I can't.
I've always not been a fan ofFlorida, but I really can't go
there now.
But um, so I'm gonna end withthis, um, unless you have
anything else you want to add.
So I really want to implorepeople, I don't think you've
(37:58):
seen this, uh, but please watchthe show The West Wing, four
seasons, the first four seasonsby Aaron Sorgens.
If you really want to learnabout how our government works,
there's a lot of political showsout there, I know, but the West
Wing is the gold standardbecause they teach you about
bills and Congress and theSenate and the presidency or
(38:20):
whatever.
And I know that everyone'slike, oh, it's so liberal.
It's not about the liberal,it's about the relationships of
people, you know what I mean?
And actually, we end up havinga lot of Republicans on the
show.
Ainsley Hayes is one of myfavorite characters, and she's a
Republican on the show, andshe's amazing.
But I I want to explain topeople that if you want to learn
about how politics works,that's the easiest way to learn
(38:42):
it, and it's a really good show.
And I just want to tell youwho's on it because that might
entice.
I'm not getting paid at all byuh, but I'm not.
No, I'm kidding.
Rob Lowe, Alison Janney, MartinSheehan, Bradley Whitford,
Dooley Hill, Joshua Molina,Elizabeth Moss, who everyone
knows from Handsmade Tales andwhatever, I guess, uh Mad Men.
(39:03):
These are the people that arein this show, and they are the
stars of the show, and it'sreally good.
And if you want to know how Ilearned most about politics, um,
that's how I got thesolidification of understanding
how things work.
Um, and it's really not aboutthe liberal or conservative part
of this, it's about thestructure of how our government
(39:24):
works.
So, anyways, I can hearsomething in the background.
Speaker 01 (39:28):
Yeah, that's the gardener.
Carmen Lezeth (39:32):
Really?
We have a gardener, do we?
No, I'm just kidding.
Andrea (39:35):
Okay, everyone.
Carmen Lezeth (39:36):
I had to mention it because I'm not gonna be able
to get that out.
Andrea (39:39):
No, I was gonna mute myself, but I'm sorry.
Carmen Lezeth (39:41):
No, no, it's all good.
It's all good.
So, anyways, um, Andrea, thankyou as always.
And um, everyone, uh, we haveour Friday night shows at 6 p.m.
Pacific, 9 p.m.
Eastern, where everyone cancome and hang out.
So I hope you'll come and joinus.
And uh remember, at the end ofthe day, it really is all about
the joy.
It really is.
Andrea (39:58):
So you gotta find it somewhere, girl.
Carmen Lezeth (40:01):
Bye, everyone.
Andrea (40:03):
Bye.
Carmen Lezeth (40:05):
Thanks for stopping by, all about the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
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