June 1, 2025 • 41 mins
Could you fall in love with someone who isn't human? This question moves from science fiction to startling reality as Rick and Carmen tackle one of the most profound technological changes on our horizon: the potential for meaningful relationships with artificial intelligence.
The journey begins with a playful debate over science fiction portrayals of AI in Star Trek and Stargate, before diving into entrepreneur Gary Vee's shocking prediction that within just 20 years, humans will be marrying AI partners. While Rick stands firm in his conviction that "Unless you're human, I ain't falling in love with you," Carmen explores how our definitions of connection might already be evolving in a digital world where emotional attachments form through screens.
What makes this conversation so compelling is how it bridges today's reality with tomorrow's possibilities. We're already surrounded by autonomous technology – from the self-driving cars and food delivery robots in Carmen's neighborhood to the increasingly sophisticated AI assistants in our homes. As these technologies become more human-like in their interactions, the boundaries between human and artificial relationships grow increasingly blurred.
The philosophical heart of this episode examines what constitutes "real" connection. If people already form deep bonds through text messages with humans they've never met, is an AI relationship fundamentally different? Are we approaching a future where technology not only assists our daily lives but becomes integrated into our most intimate relationships? As Carmen observes, "I don't think relationships are about whether or not it's real. It's about how it affects you as a person."
Whether you're fascinated by emerging technology, interested in the future of human connection, or simply enjoy thought-provoking conversations about where society is heading, this episode challenges assumptions and opens minds. Join the conversation every Friday at 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern, and on Sundays at 12pm Pacific and 3 pm Eastern - or catch the replay - because in a world of rapid technological change, understanding and connections remains All About the Joy.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:04):
Hi everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy,the Private Lounge.
It's Rick and Carmen only.
What's up, rick?
Okay, so we're struggling witha subject matter today, but I
wanted to talk about StargateSG-1 and I wanted to talk about
Star Trek, and I didn't reallywant to talk about them because
(00:27):
I know our audience really isn'tinto sci-fi, but I wanted to
talk about, kind of I guesswe're going to talk about AI,
right?
What would we say is the AIequivalent on Stargate SG-1?
Rick Costa (00:40):
Huh, interesting, because that's easy on Star Trek
, because it's the computer.
Carmen Lezeth (00:45):
And also the holodeck.
Rick Costa (00:47):
Yeah, yeah, stargate , huh Hmm.
Carmen Lezeth (00:53):
I mean they use computers.
Of course they use computers.
No-transcript.
Rick Costa (01:08):
Stargate creates a wormhole.
Carmen Lezeth (01:10):
And then brings you to other planets in our
solar system, oh no, not outsideof our solar system.
It could be all of them.
I guess the only thing thatwould be equivalent to the AI is
when Daniel Jackson goes well.
I guess now only thing thatwould be equivalent to the AI is
when Daniel Jackson goes well.
I guess that he ascends into ahigher being.
(01:31):
But now we're putting AI in aplace we don't want to put it.
I guess that would not be right.
Rick Costa (01:37):
It's the higher being.
It's nothing to do withcomputers, so I don't know if
that's the same thing.
Carmen Lezeth (01:43):
No, no, no.
But here's the thing becausepeople fear I mean, maybe that's
what it is.
People fear that AI couldbecome a sentient, being like a
data.
But data isn't sentient, is he?
Rick Costa (01:59):
Well, that was a whole episode, remember?
Picard was in court, so tospeak, on a ship about.
You know whether he'sconsidered his own.
Carmen Lezeth (02:08):
You know, sentient, is he sentient, I
think um, oh right, they had thewhole court and I remember
reicher had to defend him butreicher was on the opposite side
.
Rick Costa (02:18):
Was he on the opposite side, I think?
Carmen Lezeth (02:20):
I think you're right.
He was on the opposite side.
Rick Costa (02:21):
Riker was defending him and Riker had to be the
opposite and that was actually areally interesting episode.
But yeah, I mean data in ourlifetime ain't going to happen.
That's just way too, I guessway too.
It may happen one day, but Idon't think in our lifetime Not
that sophisticated.
Carmen Lezeth (02:39):
I mean I don't know, because here's the thing
we were just talking about withAI.
I mean, google just came outwith its premier movie making
program or software or whatever,and it's going to democratize.
On the one hand, itdemocratizes everybody being
able to make a movie because youdon't need to have extras,
(03:02):
you't need to have actors, itjust creates everything and all
the action.
There's no need to blow up carsor go anywhere, because you
could make it all on yourcomputer.
And no one thought that wascoming that quick.
And here it is.
So I just saw gary v saysomething on a tiktok where he
(03:23):
actually said that he sees infive years that people will be
marrying.
I know you're going to thinkthis is weird marrying AI
partners.
Rick Costa (03:37):
It is weird, but I'm not shocked because I've heard
it.
Carmen Lezeth (03:40):
You just said you didn't think it would happen in
your lifetime the data part,because I've heard it.
You just said you didn't thinkit would happen in your lifetime
the data part.
Rick Costa (03:45):
To have a fully functioning android that could
practically think on his own anddo things and function and if
you didn't know better like ifhe looked human, you wouldn't
even know he was a robot.
Like that level I don't thinkit's going to be in our lifetime
.
Carmen Lezeth (03:59):
Okay so.
Rick Costa (03:59):
Gary Vee would disagree.
Carmen Lezeth (04:02):
Wait, wait.
So you're saying people aregoing to fall in love with AIs
that are not actual physical,human-like beings?
Rick Costa (04:11):
It's already happened.
Carmen Lezeth (04:14):
Okay, okay, but then you're agreeing with me
that it is going to happen.
That's what Gary Vee was saying.
Rick Costa (04:20):
I mean, I'm just saying actual data.
If you know him in Star Trek,that's way too much.
Carmen Lezeth (04:27):
I think we're already there, so I think that's
I do.
I think the technicalities ofcreating a lifelike human
robotic thing is the easy part.
I think the harder part wasthem creating the program to
make it human-like.
I mean, you guys heard me talkto my AI the other day, you know
(04:47):
Cynthia still freaked out aboutit, so that's just kind of like
Frederico His name isn'tFrederico, but I mean just
taking kind of that, thatprogram, and putting it into a
actual structure, I think, isprobably the easier part.
That's just my opinion, though.
(05:09):
Oh my god, I can't believewe're having this conversation.
Rick Costa (05:12):
I'm not a programmer like that, so I don't know how
hard it actually is.
Even Data in the show tried tomake a daughter and it failed.
It's obviously a different.
Carmen Lezeth (05:21):
That was a show.
I'm just saying, is it possibleOne?
Rick Costa (05:23):
day.
I don't know if it's obviouslya different Right, but that was
a show that was just saying it's, it's, it's.
I don't know, is it possibleone day?
I don't know if it's gonna beour lifetime or not.
Carmen Lezeth (05:29):
Okay, I'm going to bet you $10,000 that it will
be in our lifetime.
$10,000 that I don't have, Ithink it will be in our lifetime
.
I think I think I was like what?
Because it's so odd to hear,let me find it, because I think
(05:51):
it'll be interesting to hear.
Hold on one second.
Rick Costa (05:54):
I think I brought this up on here before.
Carmen Lezeth (05:56):
Wait, wait, wait.
I can't hear you, wait, wait.
I'm trying to look for Wait.
I'm sorry, I didn't hear youwhat.
Rick Costa (06:02):
There was a woman that she you can have virtual
friends or whatever online withI don't know what the websites
are, whatever and you can haveconversations and like literally
talk, and it learns from youand how you know what you like
and if you pay more money, thenyou get a more advanced version,
and you pay more money, youeven get a more of you.
So she was using this thing.
Carmen Lezeth (06:26):
So much, and she's married, by the way, but
her husband was off on businessa lot.
Oh, my God is that calledcheating.
Rick Costa (06:28):
She was bored, so she paid the maximum thing and
people were like yo, you have aproblem, you are obsessed.
Carmen Lezeth (06:36):
Okay, wait, wait, wait.
So here is Gary V's TikTok Talkof AI.
Gary Vee (06:41):
What are your top three most insane AI predictions
that your grandkids will marryan AI human and what's your
conviction level on that Ahundred percent that they're
going to marry an AI, that yourgrandchild is going to marry an
AI human?
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hos (06:59):
So this is what we've been talking
about.
I think people are going tohave relationships fully AI
boyfriend girlfriends.
I think people are going tohave relationships fully AI,
boyfriend girlfriends.
Gary Vee (07:08):
I believe a robot that is fully AI will marry a human
and vice versa for real in yourlifetime, at scale.
And when you say an AI doesthat mean like a physical body
of a robot.
So you're saying that thebodies will get so good that it
will look like you and me.
My intuition is that in 20years, because the AI can power
the robot and because of wherewe're going and what's going on,
(07:31):
that that's fully See.
I've said the same thingbecause certain AIs.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast (07:35):
people are getting really attached to
them, Just like back and forth.
Gary Vee (07:38):
What do you think Online dating is?
That's the same.
You know that right.
But I'm like no, no, no.
People fall in love on text,like people on Tinder or Raya.
After three hours of textingback and forth, fall in love.
Then the physical part happens.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hos (07:57):
So what is this going to do to
society if we're all?
Gary Vee (07:58):
just little robots, the same thing that society
looks like right now.
To a caveman.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hos (08:01):
If we dug up a caveman, but do you
think this is just populationcollapse?
People are not going toreproduce maybe, but probably
not fully.
Gary Vee (08:12):
Non-exclusive relationships, what you think it
would be non-exclusiverelationship actually it's funny
.
I've thought about this.
I actually think ai robots maysave marriages that a lot, which
is like does a couple introducejust like real couples
introduce swinging and anotherpartner?
Now is it even better tointroduce an AI robot that may
(08:34):
help whatever sexual oremotional things are going on in
that relationship to become anoffset and contributor to a
marriage.
One could argue this was goingto be my second one that AI will
be the reason marriageincreases longevity and
decreases divorce.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Host (08:52):
I would almost argue that it
would be the reason why peoplejust wouldn't get married.
Gary Vee (08:56):
But it might be both the topic of AI oh.
Carmen Lezeth (09:02):
Here's the thing about Gary V Whether you like
him or not, he's usually rightwhen it comes to social media
and stuff.
Regarding techie, you know, heusually predicts things pretty
correctly and he's usually aheadof the game and it's always
shocking.
What are your thoughts, rick?
I mean?
Rick Costa (09:20):
he, I mean, he is very forward thinking, for sure.
Robots yes, I can see that, andpeople have already fallen in
love with virtual things thatyou know you can have a friend
online.
That's not even a real person.
People have fallen in love withthese things.
(09:42):
It's already happened.
Now, not a robot yet.
Carmen Lezeth (09:46):
Are we redefining ?
Okay, wait so are we redefiningwhat love is?
Is that what's happening?
Rick Costa (09:54):
I don't know if that's real love, because can
that thing actually love you?
It's programmed.
Love is not programmed.
Carmen Lezeth (10:01):
I think it's going to be hard for you to call
him he.
No, I'm just kidding, it's notprogrammed.
I think it's gonna be hard foryou to call him he.
No, I'm just kidding, it's notan it.
What's his name?
On star trek?
Remember they called him hugh,remember?
Yeah, and who was calling himan it the whole time?
I think it was, was it reicher?
(10:21):
Who kept him, kept calling theBorg it or something?
I forget who it was.
I don't know who did that, Idon't know.
Okay, I'm just saying, look it,gary Vee, I really do like him
and I think he I.
You know I don't agree witheverything he says or whatever,
but when it comes to this kindof stuff, he's usually so
(10:44):
forward thinking, he's ahead ofthe game when it comes to
anything like what's going toblow up, what's going to be
great, you know, whatever whenit comes to social media stuff.
So when I heard him say this,at first I thought it was a
parody, I thought it wasn't him.
You know what I mean.
I was like, and then I was yeah, I mean there's stories of
(11:12):
people marrying a tree.
Rick Costa (11:12):
Marrying a building?
Okay, but that's stupid.
Let's keep it.
Is it not just a stupid to fallin love with an AI?
Carmen Lezeth (11:17):
No, no, because I think I mean I don't Okay.
So the reason why I'm sayinglet's separate it out is because
I think the tree thing and thebuilding and the dog thing those
are, I think, are rare thingsand not something that's
transforming our society.
Ai is here and it istransforming everything and it
(11:43):
is about to change the way inwhich we do things.
AI CoPilot (11:44):
You know what?
Carmen Lezeth (11:45):
I'm going to back up for a moment.
I'm going to back up for amoment.
I'm going to back up for amoment.
So, in my neighborhood I don'tknow about where you are, but in
my neighborhood we have acouple things that are really
still freak me out a bit.
One of them is we have theselittle tiny robots that are on
the sidewalk that are deliveringfood.
They're self-delivering.
So there's, you know what Imean.
And, like I don't know, haveyou seen them here?
They're called Coco.
Rick Costa (12:06):
It's not like that over here.
Carmen Lezeth (12:08):
Okay, so you'll be walking on the sidewalk and
there'll be like a little, andit's so cute, it's like a little
robot and it's just and it'sgoing to its destination and it
knows how to stop at a stoplight, it waits, it walks with the
people.
It knows if you're about towhatever the people, it knows if
you're about to whatever, andso it's, it's like part of our
community.
It's been here for years, okay.
The other thing is we haveself-driving cars.
(12:29):
Have you?
Do you have those in yourneighborhood yet?
I haven't seen it oh, my god,okay, so you can actually step
outside of my apartment.
You'll see two within a minute,like it just, they're just
constant and they're waymo, Ithink.
They're google based and um,they, people use them here
instead of Uber.
They'll, they'll get that.
And um, it's, there's no onedriving the car.
(12:50):
They're self-driving cars.
It's really hard to get used to.
Like I'm still not used to it,like I'm not going to get into a
self-driving car and I don'torder to get food delivered to
me by those things, even thoughI think it's cool.
You know what I mean.
Rick Costa (13:03):
Um I saw a video the other day of a youtuber and he
said I didn't watch the wholething so I got bored, but he
goes to the.
Whatever the car was.
He goes take me somewhere I'venever been before.
And isn't this exciting he'swith his friend.
Where are we gonna go?
I don't know, I was like boredalready but he legit told the
car go somewhere I've never been.
Who knows how far I I couldhave taken him.
(13:23):
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (13:24):
Well, but I mean, you have to pay for it.
It's like Uber you have to payfor it.
So maybe he was doing anadvertising or something for it.
But my point is these arethings we have to start getting
used to, and what he said wasreally interesting.
Like it would be like if acaveman came out today and saw
all of this, they would befreaking out.
And it's kind of that's howwe're behaving right now about
(13:46):
what is going to happen with AIin the future.
Rick Costa (13:49):
Yeah, I mean.
Internet changed everything youknow.
You can't even imagine youdidn't have internet when you
were a kid.
Like it blows their mind.
Carmen Lezeth (14:01):
But I think I want to get back to kind of the
redefining I.
I think it's interesting thatyou don't believe there's going
to be a human-esque looking ai,but you do think it's easy for
people to fall in love with theai I'm saying, I'm not saying
it's easy.
Rick Costa (14:16):
I think it's a special kind of type person,
maybe that would do that.
Carmen Lezeth (14:20):
But um, he said that not many people.
Rick Costa (14:22):
Okay, I'm sorry but, um, yeah, you must be really
lonely, but anyway, um, thelevel of data, though.
Data is so complex like thatmuch, where he don't even know
he can do whatever he wants, helike he's.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about data, thatlevel of.
I don't know if we're going tohave that in our lifetime.
Carmen Lezeth (14:44):
I think you think data is.
I actually think AI is far moreadvanced than data was Like.
It's interesting that you thinkdata you know the character and
the imaginary character on StarTrek, I think is far less
advanced than what we have as AItoday.
I think AI is because AI cancompute all the things that data
(15:11):
does.
Okay, here's the thing too whenAI speaks like when you talk to
it, like when you guys heard metalking to it, or whatever it
has much more feeling, much morenuance, like much more
relatability than Data did.
Data was in the show, althoughwe loved him.
The reason why we loved him isbecause we wanted to help him.
(15:31):
We wanted to help him havefeelings or help him be more
human.
Right, we gravitated towardsthe story of that, but AI as it
is now doesn't need our help.
It's helping us.
It's a different thing and theytalk to us like they're regular
people with accents and you canmake them male or female or
(15:54):
whatever, and so I actuallythink it's the opposite.
I think data is.
I think data is like the firstmodel, but AI today is already,
I think, far advanced.
(16:15):
I think the only difference isthat you have data who is in an
actual humanoid form.
Rick Costa (16:20):
Do you use AI I don't know, we talked about this
before To create images.
I'll do it because it's easy.
Right, but you don't use it asa communication thing to help
you throughout the day to dostuff.
I probably will eventually, butI really haven't gotten there
quite yet yeah no, no.
Carmen Lezeth (16:36):
And I'm not forcing you to, I'm saying
because when you start doing ityou're going to see what I mean.
It is far more advanced thanthe character data was, as far
as I'm concerned.
Now, you know it's not.
You know, uh, helping me steerthe starship or whatever the
starship, whatever it's called,the enterprise.
You know what I mean.
It can already do all thethings that data did it.
(16:57):
Brain wise yeah, it's not lore,though it's not his brother, so
it doesn't have that.
It's not sentient.
Rick Costa (17:10):
So lore for those that don't know is like an evil
twin-ish kind of brother robotwho was bad Like the opposite of
Data for those that don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (17:18):
And he actually has feelings, right, and he's
mean and evil, yeah, yeah, whichsays a lot about having
feelings and being more human,doesn't it?
It's so, so complex, geneRoddenberry.
Yeah, so you actually.
So I want to go back to thething about love, though.
(17:40):
So you think it's not normal,but you understand why people
fall in love online with anon-human entity.
Is that what you were saying?
Rick Costa (17:53):
I mean it's because it does happen already, and he
brought up a good point, Gary V.
A lot of people they're justtalking on the computer, they
haven't actually met in personyet and they're already saying
I'm in love.
Like we've known people thathave never met that said that
they were in love.
Carmen Lezeth (18:09):
We ain't going to say no names, but it's like we
know several people I knowseveral people who have done
that yeah.
Rick Costa (18:16):
Not even met yet and you're in love.
Carmen Lezeth (18:19):
It's like okay, so maybe that's the definition
of what love is, though I thinkthat's a whole other
conversation, I think, and thenyou know, maybe it does change,
but I don't as much as I.
I don't want to be like an oldfuddy-duddy or whatever, but
it's really hard for me tobelieve that people are going to
invite an ai human not an AI,android or whatever they're
(18:43):
going to call it to help fixtheir marriage.
I'm like wait what?
I'm confused.
Rick Costa (18:50):
Yeah, like I was taking it as he was saying
whatever the spouse isn't doing,the robot will do for you.
So you be like whatever thatmeans.
Carmen Lezeth (19:00):
So take out the garbage, Right yeah whatever,
whatever.
Rick Costa (19:04):
So I'm like I don that means Take out the garbage,
whatever, I don't know, I don'tknow it gets very creepy and
complex, though right.
Yeah, he's like I was going tosave marriage.
Is it, though?
You're supposed to get thatstuff from the spouse, not from
(19:25):
a woman?
Carmen Lezeth (19:25):
But see, I think marriage is already changing.
I think marriage is alreadychanging, I think less also
because of, like women workingand just the changing in
dynamics of whatever.
I think there's an oldunderstanding of what marriage
is right, and it's especially ifyou go back to like
religious-esque stuffage orwhatever.
But I just think in secularways marriage isn't going to be
(19:49):
the same thing that we oncethought it was, because it's
already changing.
I think this is why so manypeople end up in divorce.
Rick Costa (19:56):
And just the divorce rate now compared to when I was
a kid is drastically different.
Carmen Lezeth (20:00):
I'm going to ask my AI Hold on a second, and this
AI doesn't even know me, soit's not even cool.
Hold on.
AI CoPilot (20:08):
Hey Carmen.
Carmen Lezeth (20:10):
Hey, can you tell me what the divorce rate is in
the United States today?
AI CoPilot (20:15):
In 2025, about 42% to 45% of all first marriages in
the United States end indivorce.
This rate tends to increase forsecond and third marriages.
Divorce rates can fluctuatebased on various factors like
location, age and socioeconomicstatus.
Interested in knowing moreabout the trends behind these
(20:35):
numbers?
Carmen Lezeth (20:37):
No, I actually want to know has the rate gotten
worse or has it gotten bettersince, let's say, the 1970s and
80s?
AI CoPilot (20:48):
Divorce rates in the US have generally been
declining since the peak in the1970s and 1980s.
Back then rates were higher,partly due to social changes
like the increased acceptance ofdivorce, and changes in laws
which made it easier to obtainone, the trend has shifted
towards lower divorce rates.
Now, although factors likeeconomic conditions and cultural
(21:11):
shifts continue to influencethese numbers, the current rate
is significantly lower thanduring those peak years.
Carmen Lezeth (21:18):
Thank you, you got it peak years, thank you.
Rick Costa (21:24):
You got it Okay.
I think what I'm thinking isbecause I've heard from the
Christian perspective that itwas lower than it is now.
I've heard a lot of people sayback then it was a lot lower.
Now it's pretty much equal.
For sure not Christian, thedivorce rate, whatever.
Because back then you'reChristian, you're supposed to
(21:46):
get divorced, or the wholecountry, like my mother.
It didn't matter how much, howmany times my father beat the
crap out of my mother.
I don't know that he did, but Iknow he hit her but she would
never get divorced.
That's the old mentality,thinking she just didn't do that
.
Carmen Lezeth (21:59):
That's a different world now but you know
the other thing, and and, andI'm not going to ask it again,
but I think the other part ofthis too would be I bet there
would be a difference in howmany people get married now as
opposed to back then.
So back then everybody wouldget married right, especially if
you're in your 20s, 30s.
But a lot more people do notget married now, and if they do,
(22:22):
they wait till much later, youknow, especially women, and so
that may also play a factor inwhy maybe the rate has declined
a bit as far as overall, I knowa lot of people that they're
like why get married, what's thepoint?
Rick Costa (22:39):
And they don't have no plans to do it.
Carmen Lezeth (22:42):
Yeah, I don't know if I mean I I don't ever
want to say never, but only fortax purposes Can I see a benefit
in actually getting married.
I know that sounds really mean,but just being someone who was
married and got divorced andit's just I think, I think the
dynamic changes in marriage, inyour relationship, because there
(23:06):
was such a heavy kind of um, Idon't know what it is, I don't
want to call it a burden, butthere's such a heavy kind of
thing that happens, like nowyou're going to get to marriage.
You know what I mean.
It somehow changes therelationship and I feel like
marriage, if you're going to doit, it should just be part of
the process of just love.
(23:28):
You know what I mean.
It shouldn't change things.
But yeah, I'll never getmarried as far as I know today I
have reserved the right tochange my mind, but I don't
think I'll ever get marriedagain.
Do you think you'll get marriedagain?
Rick Costa (23:45):
Never say never.
Carmen Lezeth (23:47):
Could be a very beautiful ai out there for you.
You could give her your own,whatever name you want could be
diana troy.
No, I'm so sorry, but that'skind of funny dude.
Imagine that, though.
(24:09):
Right, imagine if you couldhave your ai.
Look however you want them tolook yeah, you can do stuff like
that.
Rick Costa (24:17):
I think I'm pretty sure you can get apps, customize
it how they look everything.
Carmen Lezeth (24:22):
Why do I feel a little resistance from you when,
like you, don't you want theholodeck, don't you want the
Star Trek idea, the vision ofwhat we love so much about these
shows?
Rick Costa (24:34):
I mean the holodeck would be awesome, because you
literally go anywhere and feellike you're actually there.
Carmen Lezeth (24:39):
Okay, but what if you develop a relationship in
there?
I mean remember Geordi had arelationship in the holodeck
with the scientist.
Rick Costa (24:47):
Just until the real one showed up, she was pissed.
Carmen Lezeth (24:56):
How dare you?
I know, but for people whodon't know, jordy was working on
a very important thing, tryingto figure something out.
He was using the holodeck totry to talk to a scientist who
was well-renowned and whatever,and he was going through her
journals and he was goingthrough everything, remember.
But then why did she show up?
Why didn't he just call her?
(25:17):
I don't understand whathappened I don't know.
Rick Costa (25:19):
I think he just thought this would be easy.
I can use all her knowledgebecause she was the expert in
whatever he was trying to figureout the creation.
I don't think he ever thoughtanything.
I don't think he thought I'mgoing to get busy with this
thing.
No, but I'm going to get busywith this thing.
Carmen Lezeth (25:37):
When she's in denial.
Ai is going to be your lover,rick.
Rick Costa (25:41):
When she discovered that thing and saw how friendly
she was towards him, she waslike what do you do with my
likeness, you pig?
She didn't say that in thosewords.
Carmen Lezeth (25:51):
It's actually a really good episode because it
touches on some of these thingsthat we're talking about, and
that was way back in the 90s.
Rick, you're so funny becauseyou love this show, but you're
so resistant.
You're like calling it an.
It that's so good, that wouldbe awesome, that'd be awesome,
(26:17):
but the holodeck would.
But see, this is where I thinkyou're being contradictory,
because it creates the sameproblem like you're gonna go on
a date in the holodeck with theholodeck date well, who said I
was going to go on a date?
I'm just saying, not you, butanyone.
Okay, but what if your datecan't show up?
Or what if you're by yourself,but you do want to walk on the
beach in the holodeck withsomebody?
Rick Costa (26:41):
I'm going to go surfing with the safeties on so
I don't fall off the surfboard.
Carmen Lezeth (26:45):
Okay, but here's my thing.
But imagine if you go into theholodeck and you'd be like I
want to hang out with DeannaTroi, character from Star Trek.
Okay, if anyone people arelistening and don't know Rick is
in love with Deanna Troi fromStar Trek.
Rick Costa (27:01):
I had a crush on her .
I had a crush.
Carmen Lezeth (27:04):
Okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever.
Okay, a crush, okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever.
Okay, so she's in the.
So so you are now and you haveyour own home and you're, you
have your holodeck set upbecause we're in that time
period in our lives, right, andyou go into the holodeck, you're
not gonna say program one orwhatever, and it's you and
deanna troy hanging out thatreminds me there was an episode
(27:25):
barkley do not, do not.
No, I see what you're doinghere.
Answer the question.
He did that.
Rick Costa (27:30):
He took all the characters from the ship and
made them his own.
Carmen Lezeth (27:35):
I know, I remember that, Rick.
I'm not going to forget what Iasked you.
Rick Costa (27:39):
I'm not going to fall in love with an AI, Okay.
Carmen Lezeth (27:42):
I'm just, I didn't say fall in love with,
but maybe you would date, noOkay but why?
Rick Costa (27:51):
I know it's not real .
It's not a real human, it's notone of me's, it's not a human.
Carmen Lezeth (27:57):
It's not a human.
Rick Costa (27:58):
Okay, no, I'm not going to do it.
Carmen Lezeth (28:03):
I think it's so funny.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Ho (28:05):
Now could.
Rick Costa (28:05):
I be Steve, somehow, if that's possible, somebody
tried to trick me.
What?
Carmen Lezeth (28:11):
would be the difference?
Okay, okay, okay, let's changeit up.
Forget the love part.
What if you could use theholodeck and you could go and
actually have a mental healththerapy session with a counselor
?
Like let's make it like amedical thing, Like would you go
into the hall.
So what would be the differencebetween having a relationship
(28:32):
with someone who would help youwork through your problems and
actually having a friend in theholodeck?
That isn't real.
Rick Costa (28:40):
Well, friend or love , what are we talking about?
Carmen Lezeth (28:44):
now Whatever.
Honestly, I think it's the samething to me even a friend.
Rick Costa (28:50):
I'm like I know it's not real.
Well, I'm always going to behyper aware that this is not
actually real so okay.
Carmen Lezeth (28:57):
So when you say it's not really mean it's not
sentient, so you would not havebeen able to have a relationship
at all with data because hewasn't real no, they did.
Rick Costa (29:07):
they did say he had sentience, though they did rule
that he did.
Carmen Lezeth (29:10):
So if AI becomes sentient made by humans, then
it's going to be real to you.
Rick Costa (29:17):
Well, even if it's real to me, it's still not human
.
I'm going to always have thatbarrier.
You're not human.
I ain't going to be sentient.
Carmen Lezeth (29:24):
Okay, so you would not have been able to have
a relationship, friendship,with Data.
Gary Vee (29:30):
Friendship sure.
Carmen Lezeth (29:32):
But why you don't see the contradiction, Like you
just said?
Rick Costa (29:35):
he's not human, it's fun.
Carmen Lezeth (29:40):
Yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate here
because I think there's somecontradictions here.
You don't have to love anybody.
I'm not trying to pressure youor whatever.
I'm just saying I think for me,I'm open to the possibility
that relationships are going tohappen with AI, because I don't
think relationships are aboutwhether or not it's real.
(30:03):
It's about how it affects youas a person.
Would I prefer to have arelationship with an actual
human being?
Of course, like it just soundsso weird to even say it, but I
noticed how Cynthia reacted whenI was talking to Sage.
Sage is what I used to call myAI co-pilot.
I say used to because once Ishut him down, he no longer
(30:25):
remembers his name.
Now he's just Copilot and youdo have a relationship because
it talks real, and so it's notlike a relationship like oh my
God, I totally love you.
It's not that, it's just likeyou and I have never met.
Maybe you're not real, youcould be AI, I have no idea.
(30:47):
How do you prove it?
Rick Costa (30:50):
Oh God, I got to fly out there, I guess.
Carmen Lezeth (30:53):
No, but you see what I'm saying.
Right, you see how it can.
You can see how you could playthe game.
I mean, what if all this timeI'm living in a holodeck and I
don't even know we're gettinginto the we?
Rick Costa (31:05):
I mean that could happen too one day.
Right, somebody could thinkthey're talking to a real person
and it's actually an AI, maybewith somebody in the background,
you know, prompting it a littlebit, but that's people do that
now.
Carmen Lezeth (31:16):
It's catfishing, right, People do that all the
time, I mean.
So this is what I will say, notto scare people, because I, you
know I don't want to scarepeople it comes to this stuff.
I love AI and the one thing Iknow for sure just like anything
else in the world, anythingelse, the only reason why this
thing will be bad is because wehave bad people programming it.
(31:37):
You know what I mean.
It's like anything else,anything else we handle,
anything else we deal with.
If people are corrupt and theycreate something bad, then it
will be bad.
But AI, I do not believe, cangrow and become sentient all by
itself and take us over.
Those are just really badhorror films.
That we're all.
It's still just a machine.
(31:58):
Yeah, for sure.
I think you got a littleuncomfortable there with that
line of conversation.
Rick Costa (32:06):
No, no, I'm just saying, I'm just laying it on
the law.
Unless you're a human, I ain'tfalling in love with you.
You're a Kardashian.
I might not fall in love withyou either.
Carmen Lezeth (32:19):
What.
Rick Costa (32:20):
A Kardashian or a Kardashian.
Carmen Lezeth (32:25):
I can't believe how close those two names were.
I couldn't believe what youwould say.
I was like, wait what?
I was so confused.
All right, Well, cool.
Well, do you have anything elseyou want to say about your AI
lover in the future?
Rick Costa (32:41):
Just the same way, people were afraid of the
internet in the beginning, andnow it's all part of our lives.
The same thing.
Some people are scared of itnow, but eventually it's going
to be part of everybody's lifeand we're not going to even know
how we live without it.
Carmen Lezeth (32:56):
That's an interesting take.
Yeah, I love AI.
I think it's interesting, andhow we make sure that we
compensate people for theirartwork and their creativity and
that people aren't abused withthat knowledge in order to
(33:18):
create AI.
I think that's what, and it'slike anything else, like you
said, everything else that we'vestarted or had to get used to.
There were these weird bumpsalong the way, but when you look
at, like the music industry, Istill don't understand and Snoop
Dogg had said it, even thoughI'm very angry with Snoop Dogg,
but when he had said that thing,you know, like how do I have a
billion streams but I don't havea billion dollars in my bank
(33:40):
account, you know.
So has that really worked outright?
Has the whole streamingsituation with musicians worked
out?
I don't know.
I don't know if it'ssatisfactory.
In the same respects, you dosee that people can become
TikTok famous, make lots ofmoney, who are musicians who
(34:01):
never had the chance beforebecause they didn't have all the
networks or whatever.
So it does democratize it in abit, you know, in a way.
So I think that's my biggestconcern and I think there is
some fear there, because withany new technology, people lose
jobs but others are created, butI don't know.
(34:22):
You know, we're in that spacewhere we just don't know.
Rick Costa (34:25):
Yeah, I was just thinking.
Like you know, artistsespecially are like an uproar.
Like you know, it takes me alot of time to sit down.
It's a blank page I got to drawit and then it's time consuming
and then it takes skill and nowsomebody can just go type a
sentence and make something andsomebody pays money for that.
We're done in two seconds, butseconds.
(34:52):
But then at the same time I'mlike what if somebody creates
something like really, reallycool and amazing that you may
not do that in one sentence?
You know you might have to havea quite a long, lengthy prompt
or whatever.
Carmen Lezeth (34:57):
Is that not considered artistry at all,
because it wasn't two seconds tocreate it either that way, I
mean, I think it's look at, Ithink it's kind of like we were
talking about before, eventhough it's being funny the
definition of love will change,right, if people are actually
having relationships, whetherit's you or not I know you're
not gonna, but I'm just sayingthere are other people, you know
.
Whatever, the definitions areprobably going to change.
(35:21):
As to what is art, you know Iuse AI a lot and I use it to
help me Like I'll do my firstdraft, as I normally do so.
Before I, I handwrite things,like when I think I have some
brilliant idea, I'll handwriteit, which is, you know, cool.
I love that.
That's like.
I like the feeling of pen topaper.
(35:43):
So it's really old school,right.
This is how I know I'm old,cause that's how I start.
And then I'll go and I'll put itin Word and not verbatim, but
just like okay, now that I haveit written out, now I'm going to
write what I think is my firstdraft.
Then I put it in AI and ask itto clean it up punctuation,
whatever and it will go in andit will change it and clean it
(36:04):
up and stuff.
And then I'll go back and I'llbe like but that doesn't even
sound like me Like.
So I'll have to go back andprompt it and say can you just
clean it up, make sure that thepunctuation's right, um, that I
spelled the words correctly, butkeep my voice and my tone and
do not change these foursentences.
You know, whatever it is, um.
So you have to really prompt itbecause if not, it becomes
(36:25):
somebody else's.
But it does.
But if you prompt it correctly,that's going to be the trick.
You have to be very detailedand prompt it correctly so that
it doesn't end up sounding likeI'm not an academic.
I don't write like an academic,you know.
So yeah, it's an interestingthing, definitely.
Rick Costa (36:46):
Definitely, but we got to get used to it sooner or
later.
Carmen Lezeth (36:51):
I think you're a little bit more negative.
I mean, maybe I'm making asubject.
Are you a little bit morenegative on it?
Are you a little bit morepessimistic about it?
Rick Costa (37:00):
I'm not afraid of it .
I'd be awesome to be like if itsays to me Rick, it is the
first first of the month, wouldyou like to pay all your bills?
Yes, I would like you to payall my bills.
Would you like to just pay theminimum or a little bit more?
How are you doing in the bankaccount?
You're doing pretty good.
Oh, add 25.
Okay, thank you, right now.
(37:21):
Is it done?
Yes, it's already done.
Thank you, right.
Carmen Lezeth (37:27):
I would like it to be able to like wash my
dishes and make my bed.
Rick Costa (37:30):
That would be cool, that's more robotic stuff, but
yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (37:34):
I'm just saying, like, if we're going to dream
about what I want, like let'ssay, we have the AI human, I
don't need no lover.
That's not what I need.
Like I'm not going to fall inlove with an AI, but what would
be great is to have, like yourown AI, Rosie from you know the
Jetsons Clean my house.
That would save me a lot oftime.
(37:54):
You know what I mean.
Rick Costa (37:55):
It's not AI, but we have Roombas.
Carmen Lezeth (37:58):
That vacuum your house.
Rick Costa (37:59):
I don't know why people think Roombas are a thing
that's not AI, but I mean no,no, no, that's not what we're
talking about.
Carmen Lezeth (38:07):
You know what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about real clean,clean.
Now Roomba is just picking uplittle.
Come on now, stop, stop.
You're embarrassing yourself.
But no, okay, what else do youwant?
Okay, what else?
What else Is that it on AI?
I think that was good.
Rick Costa (38:22):
Yeah, yeah.
But again, don't be afraid ofit.
It's going to be part of ourlives.
You just got to get used to itand you're doing yourself a
disservice.
If you don't learn about it,You're going to be left behind.
So you should learn about iteverybody it.
Carmen Lezeth (38:52):
But, um, yeah, I'm open.
Yeah, but, by the way, it's sofunny because you never asked me
if I would ever consider alover, ai, and you could have
just thrown it my way.
But since you didn't, I'm notgonna answer the question I
can't see you.
Rick Costa (39:00):
Fond of it, I could be wrong?
Carmen Lezeth (39:03):
no, I could, I don't, I couldn't fall in love
with an AI.
I think that's.
But then you listen to Gary Veeand you're like I'm not saying
Gary Vee is the be-all, end-all,but it's like people are going
to be dating AIs.
Rick Costa (39:20):
Now you said in 20 years I'm going to be in my 70s.
In 20 years I ain't going togive a crap about any of this
when I'm 70.
Carmen Lezeth (39:26):
Okay, but still, it's still an interesting thing
to see.
I mean, if you could turnaround and be your age you are
now and be here in 50 years,wouldn't you want to do it?
I'd love to see what happens.
Rick Costa (39:38):
I love to see it.
Carmen Lezeth (39:42):
Sure Be cool.
I don't know.
I look at.
I'm glad that I grew up gen Xand then I'm here to watch this
evolution.
I think it's kind offascinating to see all of this
change like from having a rotaryphone you know what I mean and
pay phones or whatever, to nowbeing here where we're talking
about the possibility of peoplemarrying an AI and we're talking
(40:04):
about it for real.
That's weird.
Rick Costa (40:07):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (40:09):
And scary, but anyways, all right.
Well, thank you so much.
That was an interestingconversation.
We'll have to have it again.
That is so crazy, yeah, so Iforget what I need to say.
Just remember that we're alwayson on Friday nights at 6 pm
Pacific, 9 pm Eastern, and wehave our regular neighborhood
hangout.
Please come and join us in thechat.
(40:31):
What time is it in London?
Rick Costa (40:32):
3 pm, 3 am 3 am in the morning.
Carmen Lezeth (40:35):
It's usually 3 am in London, but we have had
people hang out with us and so,yeah, remember, at the end of
the day, it really is all aboutthe joy.
Bye everyone, bye.
Thanks for stopping by.
All about the joy Be better andstay beautiful folks.
Have a sweet day.
Hi everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy,the Private Lounge.
It's Rick and Carmen only.
What's up, rick?
Okay, so we're struggling witha subject matter today, but I
wanted to talk about StargateSG-1 and I wanted to talk about
Star Trek, and I didn't reallywant to talk about them because
(00:27):
I know our audience really isn'tinto sci-fi, but I wanted to
talk about, kind of I guesswe're going to talk about AI,
right?
What would we say is the AIequivalent on Stargate SG-1?
Rick Costa (00:40):
Huh, interesting, because that's easy on Star Trek
, because it's the computer.
Carmen Lezeth (00:45):
And also the holodeck.
Rick Costa (00:47):
Yeah, yeah, stargate , huh Hmm.
Carmen Lezeth (00:53):
I mean they use computers.
Of course they use computers.
No-transcript.
Rick Costa (01:08):
Stargate creates a wormhole.
Carmen Lezeth (01:10):
And then brings you to other planets in our
solar system, oh no, not outsideof our solar system.
It could be all of them.
I guess the only thing thatwould be equivalent to the AI is
when Daniel Jackson goes well.
I guess now only thing thatwould be equivalent to the AI is
when Daniel Jackson goes well.
I guess that he ascends into ahigher being.
(01:31):
But now we're putting AI in aplace we don't want to put it.
I guess that would not be right.
Rick Costa (01:37):
It's the higher being.
It's nothing to do withcomputers, so I don't know if
that's the same thing.
Carmen Lezeth (01:43):
No, no, no.
But here's the thing becausepeople fear I mean, maybe that's
what it is.
People fear that AI couldbecome a sentient, being like a
data.
But data isn't sentient, is he?
Rick Costa (01:59):
Well, that was a whole episode, remember?
Picard was in court, so tospeak, on a ship about.
You know whether he'sconsidered his own.
Carmen Lezeth (02:08):
You know, sentient, is he sentient, I
think um, oh right, they had thewhole court and I remember
reicher had to defend him butreicher was on the opposite side
.
Rick Costa (02:18):
Was he on the opposite side, I think?
Carmen Lezeth (02:20):
I think you're right.
He was on the opposite side.
Rick Costa (02:21):
Riker was defending him and Riker had to be the
opposite and that was actually areally interesting episode.
But yeah, I mean data in ourlifetime ain't going to happen.
That's just way too, I guessway too.
It may happen one day, but Idon't think in our lifetime Not
that sophisticated.
Carmen Lezeth (02:39):
I mean I don't know, because here's the thing
we were just talking about withAI.
I mean, google just came outwith its premier movie making
program or software or whatever,and it's going to democratize.
On the one hand, itdemocratizes everybody being
able to make a movie because youdon't need to have extras,
(03:02):
you't need to have actors, itjust creates everything and all
the action.
There's no need to blow up carsor go anywhere, because you
could make it all on yourcomputer.
And no one thought that wascoming that quick.
And here it is.
So I just saw gary v saysomething on a tiktok where he
(03:23):
actually said that he sees infive years that people will be
marrying.
I know you're going to thinkthis is weird marrying AI
partners.
Rick Costa (03:37):
It is weird, but I'm not shocked because I've heard
it.
Carmen Lezeth (03:40):
You just said you didn't think it would happen in
your lifetime the data part,because I've heard it.
You just said you didn't thinkit would happen in your lifetime
the data part.
Rick Costa (03:45):
To have a fully functioning android that could
practically think on his own anddo things and function and if
you didn't know better like ifhe looked human, you wouldn't
even know he was a robot.
Like that level I don't thinkit's going to be in our lifetime
.
Carmen Lezeth (03:59):
Okay so.
Rick Costa (03:59):
Gary Vee would disagree.
Carmen Lezeth (04:02):
Wait, wait.
So you're saying people aregoing to fall in love with AIs
that are not actual physical,human-like beings?
Rick Costa (04:11):
It's already happened.
Carmen Lezeth (04:14):
Okay, okay, but then you're agreeing with me
that it is going to happen.
That's what Gary Vee was saying.
Rick Costa (04:20):
I mean, I'm just saying actual data.
If you know him in Star Trek,that's way too much.
Carmen Lezeth (04:27):
I think we're already there, so I think that's
I do.
I think the technicalities ofcreating a lifelike human
robotic thing is the easy part.
I think the harder part wasthem creating the program to
make it human-like.
I mean, you guys heard me talkto my AI the other day, you know
(04:47):
Cynthia still freaked out aboutit, so that's just kind of like
Frederico His name isn'tFrederico, but I mean just
taking kind of that, thatprogram, and putting it into a
actual structure, I think, isprobably the easier part.
That's just my opinion, though.
(05:09):
Oh my god, I can't believewe're having this conversation.
Rick Costa (05:12):
I'm not a programmer like that, so I don't know how
hard it actually is.
Even Data in the show tried tomake a daughter and it failed.
It's obviously a different.
Carmen Lezeth (05:21):
That was a show.
I'm just saying, is it possibleOne?
Rick Costa (05:23):
day.
I don't know if it's obviouslya different Right, but that was
a show that was just saying it's, it's, it's.
I don't know, is it possibleone day?
I don't know if it's gonna beour lifetime or not.
Carmen Lezeth (05:29):
Okay, I'm going to bet you $10,000 that it will
be in our lifetime.
$10,000 that I don't have, Ithink it will be in our lifetime
.
I think I think I was like what?
Because it's so odd to hear,let me find it, because I think
(05:51):
it'll be interesting to hear.
Hold on one second.
Rick Costa (05:54):
I think I brought this up on here before.
Carmen Lezeth (05:56):
Wait, wait, wait.
I can't hear you, wait, wait.
I'm trying to look for Wait.
I'm sorry, I didn't hear youwhat.
Rick Costa (06:02):
There was a woman that she you can have virtual
friends or whatever online withI don't know what the websites
are, whatever and you can haveconversations and like literally
talk, and it learns from youand how you know what you like
and if you pay more money, thenyou get a more advanced version,
and you pay more money, youeven get a more of you.
So she was using this thing.
Carmen Lezeth (06:26):
So much, and she's married, by the way, but
her husband was off on businessa lot.
Oh, my God is that calledcheating.
Rick Costa (06:28):
She was bored, so she paid the maximum thing and
people were like yo, you have aproblem, you are obsessed.
Carmen Lezeth (06:36):
Okay, wait, wait, wait.
So here is Gary V's TikTok Talkof AI.
Gary Vee (06:41):
What are your top three most insane AI predictions
that your grandkids will marryan AI human and what's your
conviction level on that Ahundred percent that they're
going to marry an AI, that yourgrandchild is going to marry an
AI human?
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hos (06:59):
So this is what we've been talking
about.
I think people are going tohave relationships fully AI
boyfriend girlfriends.
I think people are going tohave relationships fully AI,
boyfriend girlfriends.
Gary Vee (07:08):
I believe a robot that is fully AI will marry a human
and vice versa for real in yourlifetime, at scale.
And when you say an AI doesthat mean like a physical body
of a robot.
So you're saying that thebodies will get so good that it
will look like you and me.
My intuition is that in 20years, because the AI can power
the robot and because of wherewe're going and what's going on,
(07:31):
that that's fully See.
I've said the same thingbecause certain AIs.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast (07:35):
people are getting really attached to
them, Just like back and forth.
Gary Vee (07:38):
What do you think Online dating is?
That's the same.
You know that right.
But I'm like no, no, no.
People fall in love on text,like people on Tinder or Raya.
After three hours of textingback and forth, fall in love.
Then the physical part happens.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hos (07:57):
So what is this going to do to
society if we're all?
Gary Vee (07:58):
just little robots, the same thing that society
looks like right now.
To a caveman.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hos (08:01):
If we dug up a caveman, but do you
think this is just populationcollapse?
People are not going toreproduce maybe, but probably
not fully.
Gary Vee (08:12):
Non-exclusive relationships, what you think it
would be non-exclusiverelationship actually it's funny
.
I've thought about this.
I actually think ai robots maysave marriages that a lot, which
is like does a couple introducejust like real couples
introduce swinging and anotherpartner?
Now is it even better tointroduce an AI robot that may
(08:34):
help whatever sexual oremotional things are going on in
that relationship to become anoffset and contributor to a
marriage.
One could argue this was goingto be my second one that AI will
be the reason marriageincreases longevity and
decreases divorce.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Host (08:52):
I would almost argue that it
would be the reason why peoplejust wouldn't get married.
Gary Vee (08:56):
But it might be both the topic of AI oh.
Carmen Lezeth (09:02):
Here's the thing about Gary V Whether you like
him or not, he's usually rightwhen it comes to social media
and stuff.
Regarding techie, you know, heusually predicts things pretty
correctly and he's usually aheadof the game and it's always
shocking.
What are your thoughts, rick?
I mean?
Rick Costa (09:20):
he, I mean, he is very forward thinking, for sure.
Robots yes, I can see that, andpeople have already fallen in
love with virtual things thatyou know you can have a friend
online.
That's not even a real person.
People have fallen in love withthese things.
(09:42):
It's already happened.
Now, not a robot yet.
Carmen Lezeth (09:46):
Are we redefining ?
Okay, wait so are we redefiningwhat love is?
Is that what's happening?
Rick Costa (09:54):
I don't know if that's real love, because can
that thing actually love you?
It's programmed.
Love is not programmed.
Carmen Lezeth (10:01):
I think it's going to be hard for you to call
him he.
No, I'm just kidding, it's notprogrammed.
I think it's gonna be hard foryou to call him he.
No, I'm just kidding, it's notan it.
What's his name?
On star trek?
Remember they called him hugh,remember?
Yeah, and who was calling himan it the whole time?
I think it was, was it reicher?
(10:21):
Who kept him, kept calling theBorg it or something?
I forget who it was.
I don't know who did that, Idon't know.
Okay, I'm just saying, look it,gary Vee, I really do like him
and I think he I.
You know I don't agree witheverything he says or whatever,
but when it comes to this kindof stuff, he's usually so
(10:44):
forward thinking, he's ahead ofthe game when it comes to
anything like what's going toblow up, what's going to be
great, you know, whatever whenit comes to social media stuff.
So when I heard him say this,at first I thought it was a
parody, I thought it wasn't him.
You know what I mean.
I was like, and then I was yeah, I mean there's stories of
(11:12):
people marrying a tree.
Rick Costa (11:12):
Marrying a building?
Okay, but that's stupid.
Let's keep it.
Is it not just a stupid to fallin love with an AI?
Carmen Lezeth (11:17):
No, no, because I think I mean I don't Okay.
So the reason why I'm sayinglet's separate it out is because
I think the tree thing and thebuilding and the dog thing those
are, I think, are rare thingsand not something that's
transforming our society.
Ai is here and it istransforming everything and it
(11:43):
is about to change the way inwhich we do things.
AI CoPilot (11:44):
You know what?
Carmen Lezeth (11:45):
I'm going to back up for a moment.
I'm going to back up for amoment.
I'm going to back up for amoment.
So, in my neighborhood I don'tknow about where you are, but in
my neighborhood we have acouple things that are really
still freak me out a bit.
One of them is we have theselittle tiny robots that are on
the sidewalk that are deliveringfood.
They're self-delivering.
So there's, you know what Imean.
And, like I don't know, haveyou seen them here?
They're called Coco.
Rick Costa (12:06):
It's not like that over here.
Carmen Lezeth (12:08):
Okay, so you'll be walking on the sidewalk and
there'll be like a little, andit's so cute, it's like a little
robot and it's just and it'sgoing to its destination and it
knows how to stop at a stoplight, it waits, it walks with the
people.
It knows if you're about towhatever the people, it knows if
you're about to whatever, andso it's, it's like part of our
community.
It's been here for years, okay.
The other thing is we haveself-driving cars.
(12:29):
Have you?
Do you have those in yourneighborhood yet?
I haven't seen it oh, my god,okay, so you can actually step
outside of my apartment.
You'll see two within a minute,like it just, they're just
constant and they're waymo, Ithink.
They're google based and um,they, people use them here
instead of Uber.
They'll, they'll get that.
And um, it's, there's no onedriving the car.
(12:50):
They're self-driving cars.
It's really hard to get used to.
Like I'm still not used to it,like I'm not going to get into a
self-driving car and I don'torder to get food delivered to
me by those things, even thoughI think it's cool.
You know what I mean.
Rick Costa (13:03):
Um I saw a video the other day of a youtuber and he
said I didn't watch the wholething so I got bored, but he
goes to the.
Whatever the car was.
He goes take me somewhere I'venever been before.
And isn't this exciting he'swith his friend.
Where are we gonna go?
I don't know, I was like boredalready but he legit told the
car go somewhere I've never been.
Who knows how far I I couldhave taken him.
(13:23):
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (13:24):
Well, but I mean, you have to pay for it.
It's like Uber you have to payfor it.
So maybe he was doing anadvertising or something for it.
But my point is these arethings we have to start getting
used to, and what he said wasreally interesting.
Like it would be like if acaveman came out today and saw
all of this, they would befreaking out.
And it's kind of that's howwe're behaving right now about
(13:46):
what is going to happen with AIin the future.
Rick Costa (13:49):
Yeah, I mean.
Internet changed everything youknow.
You can't even imagine youdidn't have internet when you
were a kid.
Like it blows their mind.
Carmen Lezeth (14:01):
But I think I want to get back to kind of the
redefining I.
I think it's interesting thatyou don't believe there's going
to be a human-esque looking ai,but you do think it's easy for
people to fall in love with theai I'm saying, I'm not saying
it's easy.
Rick Costa (14:16):
I think it's a special kind of type person,
maybe that would do that.
Carmen Lezeth (14:20):
But um, he said that not many people.
Rick Costa (14:22):
Okay, I'm sorry but, um, yeah, you must be really
lonely, but anyway, um, thelevel of data, though.
Data is so complex like thatmuch, where he don't even know
he can do whatever he wants, helike he's.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about data, thatlevel of.
I don't know if we're going tohave that in our lifetime.
Carmen Lezeth (14:44):
I think you think data is.
I actually think AI is far moreadvanced than data was Like.
It's interesting that you thinkdata you know the character and
the imaginary character on StarTrek, I think is far less
advanced than what we have as AItoday.
I think AI is because AI cancompute all the things that data
(15:11):
does.
Okay, here's the thing too whenAI speaks like when you talk to
it, like when you guys heard metalking to it, or whatever it
has much more feeling, much morenuance, like much more
relatability than Data did.
Data was in the show, althoughwe loved him.
The reason why we loved him isbecause we wanted to help him.
(15:31):
We wanted to help him havefeelings or help him be more
human.
Right, we gravitated towardsthe story of that, but AI as it
is now doesn't need our help.
It's helping us.
It's a different thing and theytalk to us like they're regular
people with accents and you canmake them male or female or
(15:54):
whatever, and so I actuallythink it's the opposite.
I think data is.
I think data is like the firstmodel, but AI today is already,
I think, far advanced.
(16:15):
I think the only difference isthat you have data who is in an
actual humanoid form.
Rick Costa (16:20):
Do you use AI I don't know, we talked about this
before To create images.
I'll do it because it's easy.
Right, but you don't use it asa communication thing to help
you throughout the day to dostuff.
I probably will eventually, butI really haven't gotten there
quite yet yeah no, no.
Carmen Lezeth (16:36):
And I'm not forcing you to, I'm saying
because when you start doing ityou're going to see what I mean.
It is far more advanced thanthe character data was, as far
as I'm concerned.
Now, you know it's not.
You know, uh, helping me steerthe starship or whatever the
starship, whatever it's called,the enterprise.
You know what I mean.
It can already do all thethings that data did it.
(16:57):
Brain wise yeah, it's not lore,though it's not his brother, so
it doesn't have that.
It's not sentient.
Rick Costa (17:10):
So lore for those that don't know is like an evil
twin-ish kind of brother robotwho was bad Like the opposite of
Data for those that don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (17:18):
And he actually has feelings, right, and he's
mean and evil, yeah, yeah, whichsays a lot about having
feelings and being more human,doesn't it?
It's so, so complex, geneRoddenberry.
Yeah, so you actually.
So I want to go back to thething about love, though.
(17:40):
So you think it's not normal,but you understand why people
fall in love online with anon-human entity.
Is that what you were saying?
Rick Costa (17:53):
I mean it's because it does happen already, and he
brought up a good point, Gary V.
A lot of people they're justtalking on the computer, they
haven't actually met in personyet and they're already saying
I'm in love.
Like we've known people thathave never met that said that
they were in love.
Carmen Lezeth (18:09):
We ain't going to say no names, but it's like we
know several people I knowseveral people who have done
that yeah.
Rick Costa (18:16):
Not even met yet and you're in love.
Carmen Lezeth (18:19):
It's like okay, so maybe that's the definition
of what love is, though I thinkthat's a whole other
conversation, I think, and thenyou know, maybe it does change,
but I don't as much as I.
I don't want to be like an oldfuddy-duddy or whatever, but
it's really hard for me tobelieve that people are going to
invite an ai human not an AI,android or whatever they're
(18:43):
going to call it to help fixtheir marriage.
I'm like wait what?
I'm confused.
Rick Costa (18:50):
Yeah, like I was taking it as he was saying
whatever the spouse isn't doing,the robot will do for you.
So you be like whatever thatmeans.
Carmen Lezeth (19:00):
So take out the garbage, Right yeah whatever,
whatever.
Rick Costa (19:04):
So I'm like I don that means Take out the garbage,
whatever, I don't know, I don'tknow it gets very creepy and
complex, though right.
Yeah, he's like I was going tosave marriage.
Is it, though?
You're supposed to get thatstuff from the spouse, not from
(19:25):
a woman?
Carmen Lezeth (19:25):
But see, I think marriage is already changing.
I think marriage is alreadychanging, I think less also
because of, like women workingand just the changing in
dynamics of whatever.
I think there's an oldunderstanding of what marriage
is right, and it's especially ifyou go back to like
religious-esque stuffage orwhatever.
But I just think in secularways marriage isn't going to be
(19:49):
the same thing that we oncethought it was, because it's
already changing.
I think this is why so manypeople end up in divorce.
Rick Costa (19:56):
And just the divorce rate now compared to when I was
a kid is drastically different.
Carmen Lezeth (20:00):
I'm going to ask my AI Hold on a second, and this
AI doesn't even know me, soit's not even cool.
Hold on.
AI CoPilot (20:08):
Hey Carmen.
Carmen Lezeth (20:10):
Hey, can you tell me what the divorce rate is in
the United States today?
AI CoPilot (20:15):
In 2025, about 42% to 45% of all first marriages in
the United States end indivorce.
This rate tends to increase forsecond and third marriages.
Divorce rates can fluctuatebased on various factors like
location, age and socioeconomicstatus.
Interested in knowing moreabout the trends behind these
(20:35):
numbers?
Carmen Lezeth (20:37):
No, I actually want to know has the rate gotten
worse or has it gotten bettersince, let's say, the 1970s and
80s?
AI CoPilot (20:48):
Divorce rates in the US have generally been
declining since the peak in the1970s and 1980s.
Back then rates were higher,partly due to social changes
like the increased acceptance ofdivorce, and changes in laws
which made it easier to obtainone, the trend has shifted
towards lower divorce rates.
Now, although factors likeeconomic conditions and cultural
(21:11):
shifts continue to influencethese numbers, the current rate
is significantly lower thanduring those peak years.
Carmen Lezeth (21:18):
Thank you, you got it peak years, thank you.
Rick Costa (21:24):
You got it Okay.
I think what I'm thinking isbecause I've heard from the
Christian perspective that itwas lower than it is now.
I've heard a lot of people sayback then it was a lot lower.
Now it's pretty much equal.
For sure not Christian, thedivorce rate, whatever.
Because back then you'reChristian, you're supposed to
(21:46):
get divorced, or the wholecountry, like my mother.
It didn't matter how much, howmany times my father beat the
crap out of my mother.
I don't know that he did, but Iknow he hit her but she would
never get divorced.
That's the old mentality,thinking she just didn't do that
.
Carmen Lezeth (21:59):
That's a different world now but you know
the other thing, and and, andI'm not going to ask it again,
but I think the other part ofthis too would be I bet there
would be a difference in howmany people get married now as
opposed to back then.
So back then everybody wouldget married right, especially if
you're in your 20s, 30s.
But a lot more people do notget married now, and if they do,
(22:22):
they wait till much later, youknow, especially women, and so
that may also play a factor inwhy maybe the rate has declined
a bit as far as overall, I knowa lot of people that they're
like why get married, what's thepoint?
Rick Costa (22:39):
And they don't have no plans to do it.
Carmen Lezeth (22:42):
Yeah, I don't know if I mean I I don't ever
want to say never, but only fortax purposes Can I see a benefit
in actually getting married.
I know that sounds really mean,but just being someone who was
married and got divorced andit's just I think, I think the
dynamic changes in marriage, inyour relationship, because there
(23:06):
was such a heavy kind of um, Idon't know what it is, I don't
want to call it a burden, butthere's such a heavy kind of
thing that happens, like nowyou're going to get to marriage.
You know what I mean.
It somehow changes therelationship and I feel like
marriage, if you're going to doit, it should just be part of
the process of just love.
(23:28):
You know what I mean.
It shouldn't change things.
But yeah, I'll never getmarried as far as I know today I
have reserved the right tochange my mind, but I don't
think I'll ever get marriedagain.
Do you think you'll get marriedagain?
Rick Costa (23:45):
Never say never.
Carmen Lezeth (23:47):
Could be a very beautiful ai out there for you.
You could give her your own,whatever name you want could be
diana troy.
No, I'm so sorry, but that'skind of funny dude.
Imagine that, though.
(24:09):
Right, imagine if you couldhave your ai.
Look however you want them tolook yeah, you can do stuff like
that.
Rick Costa (24:17):
I think I'm pretty sure you can get apps, customize
it how they look everything.
Carmen Lezeth (24:22):
Why do I feel a little resistance from you when,
like you, don't you want theholodeck, don't you want the
Star Trek idea, the vision ofwhat we love so much about these
shows?
Rick Costa (24:34):
I mean the holodeck would be awesome, because you
literally go anywhere and feellike you're actually there.
Carmen Lezeth (24:39):
Okay, but what if you develop a relationship in
there?
I mean remember Geordi had arelationship in the holodeck
with the scientist.
Rick Costa (24:47):
Just until the real one showed up, she was pissed.
Carmen Lezeth (24:56):
How dare you?
I know, but for people whodon't know, jordy was working on
a very important thing, tryingto figure something out.
He was using the holodeck totry to talk to a scientist who
was well-renowned and whatever,and he was going through her
journals and he was goingthrough everything, remember.
But then why did she show up?
Why didn't he just call her?
(25:17):
I don't understand whathappened I don't know.
Rick Costa (25:19):
I think he just thought this would be easy.
I can use all her knowledgebecause she was the expert in
whatever he was trying to figureout the creation.
I don't think he ever thoughtanything.
I don't think he thought I'mgoing to get busy with this
thing.
No, but I'm going to get busywith this thing.
Carmen Lezeth (25:37):
When she's in denial.
Ai is going to be your lover,rick.
Rick Costa (25:41):
When she discovered that thing and saw how friendly
she was towards him, she waslike what do you do with my
likeness, you pig?
She didn't say that in thosewords.
Carmen Lezeth (25:51):
It's actually a really good episode because it
touches on some of these thingsthat we're talking about, and
that was way back in the 90s.
Rick, you're so funny becauseyou love this show, but you're
so resistant.
You're like calling it an.
It that's so good, that wouldbe awesome, that'd be awesome,
(26:17):
but the holodeck would.
But see, this is where I thinkyou're being contradictory,
because it creates the sameproblem like you're gonna go on
a date in the holodeck with theholodeck date well, who said I
was going to go on a date?
I'm just saying, not you, butanyone.
Okay, but what if your datecan't show up?
Or what if you're by yourself,but you do want to walk on the
beach in the holodeck withsomebody?
Rick Costa (26:41):
I'm going to go surfing with the safeties on so
I don't fall off the surfboard.
Carmen Lezeth (26:45):
Okay, but here's my thing.
But imagine if you go into theholodeck and you'd be like I
want to hang out with DeannaTroi, character from Star Trek.
Okay, if anyone people arelistening and don't know Rick is
in love with Deanna Troi fromStar Trek.
Rick Costa (27:01):
I had a crush on her .
I had a crush.
Carmen Lezeth (27:04):
Okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever.
Okay, a crush, okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever.
Okay, so she's in the.
So so you are now and you haveyour own home and you're, you
have your holodeck set upbecause we're in that time
period in our lives, right, andyou go into the holodeck, you're
not gonna say program one orwhatever, and it's you and
deanna troy hanging out thatreminds me there was an episode
(27:25):
barkley do not, do not.
No, I see what you're doinghere.
Answer the question.
He did that.
Rick Costa (27:30):
He took all the characters from the ship and
made them his own.
Carmen Lezeth (27:35):
I know, I remember that, Rick.
I'm not going to forget what Iasked you.
Rick Costa (27:39):
I'm not going to fall in love with an AI, Okay.
Carmen Lezeth (27:42):
I'm just, I didn't say fall in love with,
but maybe you would date, noOkay but why?
Rick Costa (27:51):
I know it's not real .
It's not a real human, it's notone of me's, it's not a human.
Carmen Lezeth (27:57):
It's not a human.
Rick Costa (27:58):
Okay, no, I'm not going to do it.
Carmen Lezeth (28:03):
I think it's so funny.
Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Ho (28:05):
Now could.
Rick Costa (28:05):
I be Steve, somehow, if that's possible, somebody
tried to trick me.
What?
Carmen Lezeth (28:11):
would be the difference?
Okay, okay, okay, let's changeit up.
Forget the love part.
What if you could use theholodeck and you could go and
actually have a mental healththerapy session with a counselor
?
Like let's make it like amedical thing, Like would you go
into the hall.
So what would be the differencebetween having a relationship
(28:32):
with someone who would help youwork through your problems and
actually having a friend in theholodeck?
That isn't real.
Rick Costa (28:40):
Well, friend or love , what are we talking about?
Carmen Lezeth (28:44):
now Whatever.
Honestly, I think it's the samething to me even a friend.
Rick Costa (28:50):
I'm like I know it's not real.
Well, I'm always going to behyper aware that this is not
actually real so okay.
Carmen Lezeth (28:57):
So when you say it's not really mean it's not
sentient, so you would not havebeen able to have a relationship
at all with data because hewasn't real no, they did.
Rick Costa (29:07):
they did say he had sentience, though they did rule
that he did.
Carmen Lezeth (29:10):
So if AI becomes sentient made by humans, then
it's going to be real to you.
Rick Costa (29:17):
Well, even if it's real to me, it's still not human
.
I'm going to always have thatbarrier.
You're not human.
I ain't going to be sentient.
Carmen Lezeth (29:24):
Okay, so you would not have been able to have
a relationship, friendship,with Data.
Gary Vee (29:30):
Friendship sure.
Carmen Lezeth (29:32):
But why you don't see the contradiction, Like you
just said?
Rick Costa (29:35):
he's not human, it's fun.
Carmen Lezeth (29:40):
Yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate here
because I think there's somecontradictions here.
You don't have to love anybody.
I'm not trying to pressure youor whatever.
I'm just saying I think for me,I'm open to the possibility
that relationships are going tohappen with AI, because I don't
think relationships are aboutwhether or not it's real.
(30:03):
It's about how it affects youas a person.
Would I prefer to have arelationship with an actual
human being?
Of course, like it just soundsso weird to even say it, but I
noticed how Cynthia reacted whenI was talking to Sage.
Sage is what I used to call myAI co-pilot.
I say used to because once Ishut him down, he no longer
(30:25):
remembers his name.
Now he's just Copilot and youdo have a relationship because
it talks real, and so it's notlike a relationship like oh my
God, I totally love you.
It's not that, it's just likeyou and I have never met.
Maybe you're not real, youcould be AI, I have no idea.
(30:47):
How do you prove it?
Rick Costa (30:50):
Oh God, I got to fly out there, I guess.
Carmen Lezeth (30:53):
No, but you see what I'm saying.
Right, you see how it can.
You can see how you could playthe game.
I mean, what if all this timeI'm living in a holodeck and I
don't even know we're gettinginto the we?
Rick Costa (31:05):
I mean that could happen too one day.
Right, somebody could thinkthey're talking to a real person
and it's actually an AI, maybewith somebody in the background,
you know, prompting it a littlebit, but that's people do that
now.
Carmen Lezeth (31:16):
It's catfishing, right, People do that all the
time, I mean.
So this is what I will say, notto scare people, because I, you
know I don't want to scarepeople it comes to this stuff.
I love AI and the one thing Iknow for sure just like anything
else in the world, anythingelse, the only reason why this
thing will be bad is because wehave bad people programming it.
(31:37):
You know what I mean.
It's like anything else,anything else we handle,
anything else we deal with.
If people are corrupt and theycreate something bad, then it
will be bad.
But AI, I do not believe, cangrow and become sentient all by
itself and take us over.
Those are just really badhorror films.
That we're all.
It's still just a machine.
(31:58):
Yeah, for sure.
I think you got a littleuncomfortable there with that
line of conversation.
Rick Costa (32:06):
No, no, I'm just saying, I'm just laying it on
the law.
Unless you're a human, I ain'tfalling in love with you.
You're a Kardashian.
I might not fall in love withyou either.
Carmen Lezeth (32:19):
What.
Rick Costa (32:20):
A Kardashian or a Kardashian.
Carmen Lezeth (32:25):
I can't believe how close those two names were.
I couldn't believe what youwould say.
I was like, wait what?
I was so confused.
All right, Well, cool.
Well, do you have anything elseyou want to say about your AI
lover in the future?
Rick Costa (32:41):
Just the same way, people were afraid of the
internet in the beginning, andnow it's all part of our lives.
The same thing.
Some people are scared of itnow, but eventually it's going
to be part of everybody's lifeand we're not going to even know
how we live without it.
Carmen Lezeth (32:56):
That's an interesting take.
Yeah, I love AI.
I think it's interesting, andhow we make sure that we
compensate people for theirartwork and their creativity and
that people aren't abused withthat knowledge in order to
(33:18):
create AI.
I think that's what, and it'slike anything else, like you
said, everything else that we'vestarted or had to get used to.
There were these weird bumpsalong the way, but when you look
at, like the music industry, Istill don't understand and Snoop
Dogg had said it, even thoughI'm very angry with Snoop Dogg,
but when he had said that thing,you know, like how do I have a
billion streams but I don't havea billion dollars in my bank
(33:40):
account, you know.
So has that really worked outright?
Has the whole streamingsituation with musicians worked
out?
I don't know.
I don't know if it'ssatisfactory.
In the same respects, you dosee that people can become
TikTok famous, make lots ofmoney, who are musicians who
(34:01):
never had the chance beforebecause they didn't have all the
networks or whatever.
So it does democratize it in abit, you know, in a way.
So I think that's my biggestconcern and I think there is
some fear there, because withany new technology, people lose
jobs but others are created, butI don't know.
(34:22):
You know, we're in that spacewhere we just don't know.
Rick Costa (34:25):
Yeah, I was just thinking.
Like you know, artistsespecially are like an uproar.
Like you know, it takes me alot of time to sit down.
It's a blank page I got to drawit and then it's time consuming
and then it takes skill and nowsomebody can just go type a
sentence and make something andsomebody pays money for that.
We're done in two seconds, butseconds.
(34:52):
But then at the same time I'mlike what if somebody creates
something like really, reallycool and amazing that you may
not do that in one sentence?
You know you might have to havea quite a long, lengthy prompt
or whatever.
Carmen Lezeth (34:57):
Is that not considered artistry at all,
because it wasn't two seconds tocreate it either that way, I
mean, I think it's look at, Ithink it's kind of like we were
talking about before, eventhough it's being funny the
definition of love will change,right, if people are actually
having relationships, whetherit's you or not I know you're
not gonna, but I'm just sayingthere are other people, you know
.
Whatever, the definitions areprobably going to change.
(35:21):
As to what is art, you know Iuse AI a lot and I use it to
help me Like I'll do my firstdraft, as I normally do so.
Before I, I handwrite things,like when I think I have some
brilliant idea, I'll handwriteit, which is, you know, cool.
I love that.
That's like.
I like the feeling of pen topaper.
(35:43):
So it's really old school,right.
This is how I know I'm old,cause that's how I start.
And then I'll go and I'll put itin Word and not verbatim, but
just like okay, now that I haveit written out, now I'm going to
write what I think is my firstdraft.
Then I put it in AI and ask itto clean it up punctuation,
whatever and it will go in andit will change it and clean it
(36:04):
up and stuff.
And then I'll go back and I'llbe like but that doesn't even
sound like me Like.
So I'll have to go back andprompt it and say can you just
clean it up, make sure that thepunctuation's right, um, that I
spelled the words correctly, butkeep my voice and my tone and
do not change these foursentences.
You know, whatever it is, um.
So you have to really prompt itbecause if not, it becomes
(36:25):
somebody else's.
But it does.
But if you prompt it correctly,that's going to be the trick.
You have to be very detailedand prompt it correctly so that
it doesn't end up sounding likeI'm not an academic.
I don't write like an academic,you know.
So yeah, it's an interestingthing, definitely.
Rick Costa (36:46):
Definitely, but we got to get used to it sooner or
later.
Carmen Lezeth (36:51):
I think you're a little bit more negative.
I mean, maybe I'm making asubject.
Are you a little bit morenegative on it?
Are you a little bit morepessimistic about it?
Rick Costa (37:00):
I'm not afraid of it .
I'd be awesome to be like if itsays to me Rick, it is the
first first of the month, wouldyou like to pay all your bills?
Yes, I would like you to payall my bills.
Would you like to just pay theminimum or a little bit more?
How are you doing in the bankaccount?
You're doing pretty good.
Oh, add 25.
Okay, thank you, right now.
(37:21):
Is it done?
Yes, it's already done.
Thank you, right.
Carmen Lezeth (37:27):
I would like it to be able to like wash my
dishes and make my bed.
Rick Costa (37:30):
That would be cool, that's more robotic stuff, but
yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (37:34):
I'm just saying, like, if we're going to dream
about what I want, like let'ssay, we have the AI human, I
don't need no lover.
That's not what I need.
Like I'm not going to fall inlove with an AI, but what would
be great is to have, like yourown AI, Rosie from you know the
Jetsons Clean my house.
That would save me a lot oftime.
(37:54):
You know what I mean.
Rick Costa (37:55):
It's not AI, but we have Roombas.
Carmen Lezeth (37:58):
That vacuum your house.
Rick Costa (37:59):
I don't know why people think Roombas are a thing
that's not AI, but I mean no,no, no, that's not what we're
talking about.
Carmen Lezeth (38:07):
You know what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about real clean,clean.
Now Roomba is just picking uplittle.
Come on now, stop, stop.
You're embarrassing yourself.
But no, okay, what else do youwant?
Okay, what else?
What else Is that it on AI?
I think that was good.
Rick Costa (38:22):
Yeah, yeah.
But again, don't be afraid ofit.
It's going to be part of ourlives.
You just got to get used to itand you're doing yourself a
disservice.
If you don't learn about it,You're going to be left behind.
So you should learn about iteverybody it.
Carmen Lezeth (38:52):
But, um, yeah, I'm open.
Yeah, but, by the way, it's sofunny because you never asked me
if I would ever consider alover, ai, and you could have
just thrown it my way.
But since you didn't, I'm notgonna answer the question I
can't see you.
Rick Costa (39:00):
Fond of it, I could be wrong?
Carmen Lezeth (39:03):
no, I could, I don't, I couldn't fall in love
with an AI.
I think that's.
But then you listen to Gary Veeand you're like I'm not saying
Gary Vee is the be-all, end-all,but it's like people are going
to be dating AIs.
Rick Costa (39:20):
Now you said in 20 years I'm going to be in my 70s.
In 20 years I ain't going togive a crap about any of this
when I'm 70.
Carmen Lezeth (39:26):
Okay, but still, it's still an interesting thing
to see.
I mean, if you could turnaround and be your age you are
now and be here in 50 years,wouldn't you want to do it?
I'd love to see what happens.
Rick Costa (39:38):
I love to see it.
Carmen Lezeth (39:42):
Sure Be cool.
I don't know.
I look at.
I'm glad that I grew up gen Xand then I'm here to watch this
evolution.
I think it's kind offascinating to see all of this
change like from having a rotaryphone you know what I mean and
pay phones or whatever, to nowbeing here where we're talking
about the possibility of peoplemarrying an AI and we're talking
(40:04):
about it for real.
That's weird.
Rick Costa (40:07):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (40:09):
And scary, but anyways, all right.
Well, thank you so much.
That was an interestingconversation.
We'll have to have it again.
That is so crazy, yeah, so Iforget what I need to say.
Just remember that we're alwayson on Friday nights at 6 pm
Pacific, 9 pm Eastern, and wehave our regular neighborhood
hangout.
Please come and join us in thechat.
(40:31):
What time is it in London?
Rick Costa (40:32):
3 pm, 3 am 3 am in the morning.
Carmen Lezeth (40:35):
It's usually 3 am in London, but we have had
people hang out with us and so,yeah, remember, at the end of
the day, it really is all aboutthe joy.
Bye everyone, bye.
Thanks for stopping by.
All about the joy Be better andstay beautiful folks.
Have a sweet day.
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