Naming the Petty, Protecting the Vulnerable

What if the loudest stories in politics are really about insecurity, not strength? We start with the whiplash of overnight headlines and a White House obsessed with optics, then trace how petty theater bleeds into policy with life-or-death stakes. The thread is simple and sobering: when leaders reward cruelty, the most vulnerable pay for it. We dig into the targeting of gender-affirming care, the threats to hospital funding, and why deference to doctors and real expertise is a civic duty, not a partisan stance.

From there, we get personal. Faith without empathy rings hollow, so we revisit the early AIDS era, Magic Johnson’s watershed moment, and the way testimony can change hearts. We talk about projection—how unhappy people outsource their pain—and the antidote that actually works: service. Helping others reliably produces joy and meaning, which is exactly why it’s absent from the politics of resentment. The money conversation follows naturally: nonprofits and tax write-offs, the discipline of “enough,” and the hard truth about billionaire wealth, loopholes, and the public goods that should never be optional: health care, education, housing, clean water.

Culture gives us oxygen. We celebrate Rob Reiner’s legacy—from When Harry Met Sally and The Princess Bride to Spinal Tap and Misery—and how great directors pull out performances that remind us what empathy looks like. Even our Hallmark detour has a purpose: why familiar tropes soothe when the world spins off its axis, and where brands lose the plot when they chase reality-show gimmicks. It all circles back to a promise: name the petty, protect the vulnerable, and choose compassion as a daily practice.

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Episode Transcript

Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.

Andrea (00:07):
So, you know.
Right though.

Carmen Lezeth (00:12):
It's all okay if you look good.
Right?
It's all bad up.
Oh my god.
Okay, we're recording, blah,blah, blah.
All right.
So I I don't know how to start,but I I am in a really bad
space.
So I want to explain to peoplesomething.
When you produce a show, even alittle YouTube podcasting,

(00:35):
up-and-coming show, um, youactually have to schedule.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah.
I am.
Yes.
Okay.
Um, you actually do have toschedule things to talk about.
You know, like even like evenif you think reality shows that
you watch on TV are reality,they're not.
They're unscripted, but there'san idea of what people want,

(00:58):
the way you're gonna do a shot,whatever.
And it's the same thing withall of our shows that we have
here at All About the Joy.
And what I do is I sent you, Idon't know, it was what,
mid-afternoon.
Here's what I think we shouldtalk about.
And see you tomorrow, blah,blah, blah.
You know, here's the itinerary,whatever.
And you usually respond andyou'll be like, yes or no, or I
want to add this, or whatever.

(01:19):
Like, but there's we have anidea, and you know, we we we
have it written out.
I make my notes, you know,whatever.
Okay, here's the problem.
I think it was two hours laterthat I'm like, we can't talk
about any of that becausethere's now 10 other things we
need to discuss.

Andrea (01:40):
Okay, yes, but I just I'm gonna throw this out there.
I have been super, superslammed with work.
So I don't, I haven't evenlooked at the news this morning.
I know there was a thing lastnight.
Uh I don't know anything aboutit.
Okay.
So I I'm I am fresh.
I am ready to go.

(02:00):
Throw it at me.
It's all gonna be like candidand on the spot.

Carmen Lezeth (02:05):
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
We're gonna take a break for amoment because I need you to
figure out are you actually, isyour mic actually on?
It's the correct one.
Because you actually soundedbetter in your hotel room.
Uh well, it was a smaller room.

Speaker (02:20):
There you go.
There you go.
I can be closer.

Andrea (02:22):
I can't be back here, is what you're saying.

Carmen Lezeth (02:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You probably have to be alittle bit closer, or you could
move your mic closer to you.
Oh my god, or you can move themic close the toilet.

Andrea (02:33):
I have the mic condom.

Carmen Lezeth (02:35):
Yeah, okay, you did get it.
Good, good, good.
I'm glad.
So that should help.
We'll see when the gardenercomes.
Whatever.
I might leave this in becauseyou know, people like the funny
stuff, anyways.
So, all right, so forgeteverything we were gonna talk
about because it's irrelevant.
And I'll just tell you thething that yes, Donald Trump.
I I don't even want to call himpresident.

(02:57):
That's how upset I am.
I am angry, but he did a20-minute spiel last night that
was uh it just off the rails.
First of all, he lied in everysingle like it.
I don't even you don't have towatch it.
You already know what happened.
I have no plan to, yeah.
Yeah, I know I'm shook it thatthis is where we're at.

(03:18):
So he did that last night.
Um, this morning, what's thatwoman's name?
Giselle Maxwell fucking sextrafficking bullshit with
Jeffrey, whatever.
What's her name?
Delaine is how you say it.
Yeah, sex trafficker.
Yes.
She's actually asking for herconviction to be thrown out.
Yeah.

(03:39):
Okay, cool.
Uh-huh.
All right, cool.
Somebody described Trump'sdelivery of his thing last night
of Trump gives crazed adderallinduced 20-minute speech, and
that's exactly what it was.

Andrea (03:53):
I'm sure they had to, you know, coke him up for lack
of a better phrase, just to gethim to stand there and not fall
asleep for 20 minutes, you know.

Carmen Lezeth (04:01):
It was just ridiculous.
Gavin Newsom wrote this couldhave been an email, which I
thought was hilarious.
I was like, short up.
Um, and I look at I'm I'm in abad mood today for so many
reasons.
Robert F.
Kennedy Jr., that fucking otherpiece of shit, is pulling out

(04:24):
gender-affirming care.
And if they do that, or theyare doing that, if any hospital
in the country tries to give anyof that, they're taking away
funding from all hospitals.
Hospitals get about 40% oftheir funding from the federal
government.
And I am like, I don't knownothing about gender affirming,

(04:47):
I don't know nothing about it,but I sure as hell no, Robert F.
Kennedy Jr.
and Donald Trump don't knowjack shit about it.
Do you know what I mean?
Absolutely not.

Andrea (04:57):
Yeah.
It's just, it's it's a genocideof transgender people, is what
it is.

Carmen Lezeth (05:04):
Absolutely.
Look at here's my thing.
I the lack of compassion is soprofound.
Okay, the thing that got me offthe rails this morning, because
that wasn't enough.
Okay, that wasn't enough.

Andrea (05:20):
Relentless hourly onslaught of bullshit is not
enough.

Carmen Lezeth (05:24):
I know, but you know what?
I'm just so upset this morning.
I okay, I don't know why thisis the one that's like really
made me almost tear up the room.
And I know what I said itdoesn't even matter, it could be
anything because I know, but Iknow that you're gonna be kind
of annoyed with me for sayingthis, but I this is the one that
threw me over the ledge thismorning.
And that's why when you loggedon, I was listening to fucking

(05:46):
Marvin Gay or Diana Ross.
Yeah.
I'm trying to like feel better,like so I can have joy.
Um, this motherfucker, I that'swhat I'm calling him.
Because I know, I know I am notgoing to be able to leave.
I throw that around pretty,pretty freely.
You really don't.
So I do.

(06:07):
I know serious.
I'm pissed.
I am so pissed.
I'm so pissed at thisgovernment, at this man, and at
all of the people that arefucking enabling this
bullsitery.
And I don't give a fuck.
If you are still supportinghim, I don't care.
Do all your thumbs down.
You're the one listening to myfucking show.

(06:28):
I'm so sick of it.
You know what I mean?
I got a couple of emails, andsome people were like, um, we
disagree.
I don't care.
Don't watch a show.
There's so many other fuckingokay.
I shouldn't probably say that.
You can watch, you can hate,watch if you want.
Hate, watch it all you want.
Hate, watch all you want.
Okay.
That's why hate, watch it allyou want.
Okay.
All right.
This is what threw me.

(06:50):
So Donald Trump has beenspending his time at the White
House putting those gold leafseverywhere.
You know, he's really wantthat.
There is all the portraits ofthe presidents of the United
States, all the formerpresidents in the White House,
in the hallway or whatever.
He has written on plaques ourtax dollars.

(07:13):
Donald Trump has written onplaques under each ev under
every president what hebelieves, because that's what it
is, what he believes is theircontribution to the United
States and what they did aspresident.
Biden doesn't even get apicture at all.
Like and it's like Sleepy Joeor something.

(07:35):
It's oh my god.
It's so fucking first of all,petty.
Yeah.
It's not his fucking house.
Like that along with the EastWing.
What the fuck?
And secondly, why is thepresident?
I want people to understand,the president of the United
States wasting his motherfuckingtime on decorating with that

(08:00):
god-awful bullshittery andwriting fucking bullshit lies
about every president beforehim.
What is there nothing going onin the world?
Nothing else that you could bedealing with.

Andrea (08:14):
It's just like a blaring red siren that says, I am
insecure.
I mean, that's really what itis.
Yeah, exactly.
Like he has no faith andshouldn't in his own ability to
stand out.
So he constantly has to tearpeople down.
And this is, you know, he hasto walk by it every day.

(08:35):
It makes him feel small becausehe is small.
And so he's gotta change it tomake himself try to feel better.
It's uh, you know, if he wasn'tsuch a raging psychopathic
asshole, it would be sad, butit's really just something that
you know, we yet another thingfor us to be profoundly

(08:56):
embarrassed and enraged about.

Carmen Lezeth (08:58):
I think it's the you know, it's it's so petty,
it's so beneath the office ofthe presidency.
Like, and I know a girl, I knowyou have hated, I say this with
love, hated Republicanpresidents, right?
I know.
I may have disagreed withRepublican presidents, but I've

(09:19):
been like, you know, this is mycountry, it's my president.
You know, I have always beenultra patriotic, and I am like,
you motherfucker, I hate you.
It's so petty, Andrea.
It's so, so beneath the officeon so many levels.

Andrea (09:34):
Well, I got I mean, yes, it is.
I agree with you, and um, youknow, that's how I thought I
texted you, or yeah, I textedyou when I was coming home, and
we flew right over the WhiteHouse, not directly over, but
close enough that I could see itreally, really well.
And to see it, I mean, it lookslike it has a limb cut off,

(09:55):
right?
And I was just so sad andangry.
Like, how did we let this pettysack of fucking human shit into
our home?
Yeah, the people's house.
That's literally what is goneis where we would enter the

(10:18):
people's house when we wentthrough.
So we are no longer allowed inthere, and if we were, we would
get to see the lovely Hall ofPresidents with all of his petty
stuff.
But it was just like I cannotbelieve and got, you know, as
you said, like I've never beenlike, oh my country.
Never.

Carmen Lezeth (10:36):
The fact that you texted me that day was crazy,
right?

Andrea (10:39):
It was just I flew over and was like, I had a pit in my
stomach.
It's awful, it's awful.
And I will say, just as yousaid, I don't care if you
believe in all the same policiesor any, you know, all of the
stuff, whatever I have myfeelings about it.
At the very foundational level,I know, I know people know what

(11:05):
he's doing is wrong.

Carmen Lezeth (11:07):
Yes, I you know what?
I'm yes, I agree 100%.
There's no choosing, you arechoosing.

Andrea (11:13):
I have lopped off a you know a side of the White House.
I am you know desecrating theachievements of the other
presidents.
I mean, there's all numerous wecould sit here and only talk
about this, all kinds of thingsthat well, the straight up
lying.

Carmen Lezeth (11:29):
Straight up lying, yeah.
The gas, like he said gas was adollar ninety-nine somewhere,
and I'm like, why is he likejust and nobody stops him?
Yeah, and that Caroline, what'sher name?
That Carolyn Douchebag, what'sher name?
Yeah, I'm I'm on fire today interms of the gas prices where I

(11:51):
was last week and was like, why?
But wait, that Caroline, what'sher name?
I think douchebag is right.

Speaker (12:00):
The the press secretary, the 28-year-old who
looks like she's did you see thepictures?
I can't think of anything else.
Okay, yes, let's talk about herand her filler.

Carmen Lezeth (12:14):
Okay, this comes from the Vanity Fair article,
right?
The Vanity Fair article.
That's what you're talkingabout, right?
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Um, that they have beeninterviewing.
What's her name?
I don't even know her name.
Susie Wiles.
Susie Wiles.
Chief of staff, is thatcorrect?
Yeah, which I would have neverknown.
But I guess the the Nazi guy,yeah.

(12:35):
Seriously, don't watch it.
Which one, girl?
Which one?
You need to be Stephen Miller.
Well, the the straight up Naziguy.
Steven Miller is the deputychief of staff acting as
president.
Okay.
I guess he's the deputy.
I don't know.
What else?
I don't.
He they're just all cruelpeople that are all incompetent.
That's what I'm gonna say.
But she's been around foreversince the Reagan years.

Andrea (12:57):
So um Oh, the the what's her name?
Susie Wiles.
Yeah, yeah.
She's uh she's old school.
Yeah.

Carmen Lezeth (13:04):
So she did an interview for Vanity Fair, and
they've I guess showed part one,uh, whatever.
Here's the thing though, Ithink I I I don't I am not a
conspiracy theorist at all.
But the fact that the WhiteHouse is standing behind some of
the shit that she said, andafter talking to Billy, my you
know, my my brother from anotherbrother, I realize now, like, I

(13:27):
think this is kind of allplanned out.
Like, I don't think it's asmuch of a like they're saying
it's a hit piece and what shesaid, but none of them are upset
with what she said about them.
They're not upset about it.
So, anyways, but the picturesshe probably honestly has more
power than a lot of them.

Andrea (13:46):
I bet she's a huge power broker.
Um, but the shit that she saidabout them was, you know what
I'm saying?

Carmen Lezeth (13:53):
Like it was pretty impressive.
But, anyways, I'll send you whyI've changed my mind about why
I don't think I I don't know.
You know what?
I'm not a big conspiracy theorything, but I don't trust
nothing with this this WhiteHouse.
I cannot, I cannot give themthe benefit of the doubt, but
let's get to the pictures.

Andrea (14:08):
Yeah.
So all of the photos, all ofthe photos, I thought, because I
kind of looked through them umyesterday.
Beautiful.
Well, I okay, I I saw hersfirst, Carolyn's, and I was, I
mean, it was literally like aspit take.
I was like, Carolyn Levitt.

Carmen Lezeth (14:26):
Right.

Andrea (14:27):
And then I'm just gonna say it.
I did zoom in to look at somethings because you know I how I
am about makeup, right?
Like, I'm always gonna be like,what's going on with the
makeup?
This woman is like 28 orsomething.
Yeah, she looks 30.
First of all, first of all, I'mnot even I'm not even down here

(14:48):
yet, okay?
Like, she's having professionalphotos done.
And there was some kind oflike, I don't even know what was
happening over here underneathher eye.
There was like caked in makeup,like they didn't like clean up
her eye.
I was like, okay, somebody,probably a lot of people, do not
like this woman, right?
And just like she just lookedlike she never had a glass of

(15:13):
water, and like the it was solike caked on and everything,
and then and then you move downto the lips, and it was it was
disturbing.
It was like I was actuallyfeeling like I this hurts just
looking at it.
Like, I don't I've never hadany lip stuff done, I don't know
what it, but like I'm prettysure it's not supposed to look

(15:36):
that way.
I mean, it looked like she justhad it done 10 minutes ago,
like it was all like swollen,you had all the dots and
everything, and so again,multiple people don't like this
woman to let her go out and dothat, but the photographer was
like Christopher Anderson, letme capture the reality of who

(15:57):
you are, which is totally fake,totally addled with your hate
and your evilness, and it justemanates off of you, just like
the rest of those pictures.
You look at those people'sfaces, it's like a it's like a
you know a lineup of villains,just look in their eyes, they

(16:20):
look like dead inside, theirfaces just look twisted and
fucked up, like and I I lovedit.
I was like, okay, this manknows what he is doing, he knows
what he does.
I mean I read the article, Ididn't read that.

Carmen Lezeth (16:35):
That's his style of photography.
I mean, that's kind of what hedoes.
He does these close-uppictures.
Um, he's done them of GeorgeClooney, of Mikhail Barishnikov,
he's done them of so manypeople, and they capture the
essence of who you are, and theyare always really close up.
So if you ugly on the inside,that's what's gonna come wow.

(16:56):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, he he,you know, he doesn't just take
one picture, so I just want tobe uh clear as well.
That was a choice.
That was the one that waschosen.

Speaker (17:08):
That was the one that was chosen, and I'm like for
reasons, yeah.

Carmen Lezeth (17:11):
Here's the thing I I I've never had lip filler.
I was just cracking up becauseuh I don't need lip filler.
Most people do not, but peoplelike to have fat lips or
whatever.
I find it interesting that itdidn't dawn on her, like you
said, the makeup.
Like in my head, first of all,I didn't know that's how they
did it for some reason, likebecause now I know they do it
like this, right?
Because now I just thought theyinjected it like into your I

(17:33):
thought they did it.
That's what I thought they didtoo.
So I learned something, but youthink she would have done like
don't they have pencil liner orsomething to hide that?

Andrea (17:41):
I'm like I said, like it looked like she literally like
walked from the chair where shehad it done into like they were
like the glove spots.

Speaker (17:50):
It was so gross, it was so gross.

Carmen Lezeth (17:54):
Yeah, and her makeup and her makeup and her
face, and I just I just saw likeit's so sad because I would
have said she's like 40something, late 40.
She looks horrible, and butthat is what emanates when she's
at the podium.
Just a lot of negative, nastyanger.
Like you can look at otherpress secretaries, whether you

(18:17):
like them or not, but there isan essence of I'm here, I'm I'm
honored to be here, and I'mgiving information, even if I
have to be me.
She just seems angry, and sheseems like always trying to
defend the indefensible, likeit's just it rots at you.
Nasty.

Andrea (18:34):
She's a nasty nasty and like a profound liar.

Carmen Lezeth (18:40):
I mean, exquisite, profound liar.
Um, but they all have been whowork for him.
Yeah, yeah.
Um remember that first oneabout the crowds, that guy, I
don't even remember his dumbassthing.
Remember, he was like, DonaldTrump has the largest
inauguration crowd, and we wereall like, it's like a clown car,

(19:01):
they just pile out, like, ohyeah, crazy mofo.
Remember, he was the first one,and I'll never forget I was
like, What is the right?

Andrea (19:09):
Wasn't that yes, Sean and then Huckabee?
Oh my god.
Oh my god.

Carmen Lezeth (19:14):
Yeah, but she's like a yeah, I don't want to
talk about that douchebageither.
Yeah, I'm I'm hating thesepeople today.
Um, yeah, what about the otherpictures?
Did you see some of the otherones?

Andrea (19:26):
I did see the other pictures.
There was a handful of groupphotos, and then there was like
they knew they were going to bedoing it that day.

Carmen Lezeth (19:34):
That's the weird thing.
Yeah, it was weird.

Andrea (19:36):
There's the one of JD Vance that like I was looking at
them online, and some of thecomments were like, I like how
the photographer has the just ajust a hint of the chair.
You know, and he's got hishands like right here, and his
eyeshadow looks all weird andcreepy.

Carmen Lezeth (19:56):
I don't know.
These are not beloved people.

Andrea (20:00):
Are not beloved people, these are not serious people,
these are not smart people.
Again, like you said, I have uhhit have and continue to hate
um several Republicanpresidents, but it like it's so
debased.
Like they're just not peoplewho should be running like a
Waffle House, much less of ourcountry.

Carmen Lezeth (20:22):
I mean, I think that's a thing about you and me
that is very different now, andI can sense it from you on a I I
know you're gonna hate what I'mgonna say, but even if you
hated Republican, like I mean, Ithink for me and you it's more
about George W.
Bush.
That was the Republican uhpresident that we both were
fighting.
But I didn't know you duringReagan.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(20:43):
Yeah, I didn't know you.
Um Reagan was that old who Ihated.
What Reagan was my first who Ihated.
Yeah, no, no, but I'm justsaying, like, I just remember
George W.
Bush and our conversationsduring that time period and
stuff.
And even though you hated andit was anger and whatever, I
don't think you ever.
I don't know.

(21:04):
You're gonna I don't know.
We would have to cut this partout.
I don't think you ever like hewas the president of the United
States, and even if you didn'trespect him, I think you thought
that he was at least beingpresident of the United States,
even if you didn't think he wascompetent.
Like you were like, okay, he'spresident, but I disagree with
him on every fucking thing, andI'm gonna challenge him on

(21:25):
everything, but you weren't likehe's defacing the office of the
presidency.
Do you know what I mean?
And I think you gave him hisflowers once in a while, you
know.

Andrea (21:34):
Well, I won't say that, but I know, but I here's what I
will say like, and it it's trulydifficult for me to say.
Um, I believe that these peoplein the past had a respect for
the country and for the office.
Dick Cheney is who I mean,yeah, like I almost feel like

(21:58):
throwing up saying it, but like,yes, he respected the office,
he respected the institution ofthe executive and and the
others, and the Congress, andthe Supreme Court, like they
respected it and their methodsand what they did, whatever, but

(22:18):
there was a level of respectfor sort of who wecks and
balances be.

Carmen Lezeth (22:25):
Checks and balances, like they actually
respected what the Supreme Courtwould say, or they would
respect what Congress would say,and they would, you know, like
a loss of a loss, right?

Andrea (22:36):
Like, okay, we didn't win this one, right?
We'll we'll live to findanother day, you know.
Um, it wasn't this isdifferent.

Carmen Lezeth (22:45):
This is very different.

Andrea (22:46):
The incompetence is profound.
It's just like a group of likecompletely spoiled entitled kids
who've never been told no, andlike they're running rampant,
rampant, you know, through thedestruction of our country.

Carmen Lezeth (23:06):
Yeah, I really want to say something else
though, too, about um Robert F.
Kennedy Jr.
I I don't know anything aboutgender-affirming care.
I do want to go back to this.
I don't have children.
I can only imagine what it'slike for a parent and a child to

(23:27):
have to come to certaindecisions as things are moving
through in whatever thatconversation is, whatever that
pain, sorrow, joy, whatever itis.
But the idea that this idiot,Robert F.
Kennedy Jr., is making thesedecisions that are going to
affect so many people.

Andrea (23:48):
I negatively affect.
I mean, that's it's like it'snegative, actively doing harm to
people.
Almost every single policy thatthat man has is like, I am
actively trying to harm people.

Carmen Lezeth (24:03):
Why are people so obsessed with transgender
people?
I guess that's my question.
What is the obsession withLGBTQ?
Like, why does that scare theChristian right so much?
Andrea, as I ask you, being thescholar of all Christianity.

Andrea (24:22):
Um I mean, I don't know what it is.
I think it's, you know, there,I'm sure there's a lot of
things, but it's partially thatthey're an easy target.
Like they're vulnerable, veryvulnerable.
Um, and and they do needsupport in order to get the care

(24:42):
that they need and to beprotected, like, you know, to
not put trans women in like maleprisons populated.
You mean like it's that thosekinds of things.
Like they need protection andthey need support.
And it's very easy, I think,for some people to be like,
yeah, no, we're not gonna dothat.
We don't believe in that, soyou have to believe what we

(25:03):
believe, right?

Carmen Lezeth (25:04):
I guess my thing is is I like I always try to
understand the other people'spoint of view.
And in this case, I think mostpeople are in in this
administration are justincompetent.
I just don't have another wayto say it, so I don't trust you.
Yeah, they're what cruel.
Yeah, well, the cruelty is thepoint, but I'm just saying,
like, even if I would try tounderstand, because I know there

(25:26):
are a lot of people who haveissues regarding anything that
isn't like them, but the easiestway to say it.
Yeah, but I'm just trying tounderstand, like, it's this
weird thing that I have, whichis called, I don't have to
understand it, but I can havecompassion for the possibility
that I don't understand itenough and I'm not in it and

(25:47):
it's none of my business, butthat other people who are smart,
like Dr.
Vin Gupta, who is anincredible, incredible doctor
who is speaking this morning onthe subject.
And I was like, why would Iquestion him?
Why would I question somebodywho has school and years and
years of education on thesubject?
And by the way, do peopleactually believe that

(26:09):
transgender and LGBTQ?
I'm putting these two together,not because they're similar,
but do you think this is a newthing?
They've been around since thebeginning of time.
Yeah, that's what people don'tunderstand.

Andrea (26:25):
They're never going to eradicate it, they're just gonna
make it really, reallydangerous for people.
But why would you want toeradicate it to begin with?
Like, yeah, well, that'squestion number one.
I mean, like you said, likesame with like there's a lot of
things that honestly aren't mybusiness.
It's not my business.

(26:46):
I don't even know about it.
I don't even really have tohave much of an opinion about
it.
If it helps somebody and itmakes helps them to live a
better, happier, more fruitful,more productive, more joyful
life, okay, fine.

Carmen Lezeth (27:01):
Right.
Yeah, and please show me in theBible where it says transgender
folk do not deserve love,kindness.
You know what I mean?
Like that's the other part ofit too.
Like, show me, because youbelieve in the Bible so much.
I don't, but you show me whereit says that exactly.
It does not.
And it's that weird thing whereit's like, I don't have to

(27:22):
understand everything on theplanet.
I can actually trust that myfellow human beings are doing
their best, their due diligenceto be kind and helpful to other
people.
And that's the part I don'tunderstand.
If you believe in the Bible andyou believe in Jesus and you
believe in his teachings, whyare you so crass and angry and
pissed off at things you don'tfucking understand?

(27:44):
And by the way, the populationof transgender people that we
are talking about is minuscule.
Yeah, most of you will nevermeet someone, huh?

Andrea (27:53):
All of the, you know, hand-wringing and all of that
about like transgender athletes.
I mean, it's literally, itdoesn't even you will never be.

Speaker (28:03):
I think it's like four people, right?

Andrea (28:04):
Isn't it four in the Olympic or something?

Carmen Lezeth (28:07):
It's a small amount, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I I I did not mean for this tobe a transgender conversation,
but I'm glad we're having it.

Andrea (28:16):
Like it's about pe people who are vulnerable, and
it's them today, and it will beyou know, and and others, right?
It will be other peopletomorrow.
The whole point is that what iswho is harmed by these policies
and and well, Andrea, it's themoney.

Carmen Lezeth (28:35):
It's the money.
That money is going to thewrong people, and they're taking
away my tax dollars and givingit to people who are choosing.
Can you imagine choosing?
Okay, can we just all right?
We're gonna have thisconversation.
I'm sorry.
Can you imagine choosing to notwant to be a woman?
Like I want people to justthink about that.

(28:58):
Could you actually choose notto be the person you were born
to be?

Andrea (29:05):
Right, like they just, you know, read a book or saw a
movie and were like, oh, I wantto try that.
Oh my god, I want to be that.

Carmen Lezeth (29:12):
Or I I I was I was thinking about this the
other day.
I was actually talking toBilly, we were having this
conversation, and I startedthinking about I grew up, well,
actually the 70s and the 80s.
So I grew up around gay peoplemy entire life.
I had no idea that there wasanything wrong or bad.
I wasn't thinking about sex.

(29:34):
Like I wasn't, I like I wasn'teven thinking about it.
So it wasn't even an issue.
And then the AIDS crisishappened.
And I didn't understand whyeverybody was hating on people
who loved each other.
Like I was so confused.
I'm not trying to be like I wasso with it or whatever.
I really had no idea what thebig drama was.

(29:56):
And then people were dying, andI remember being so heartbroken
because um people died, peopleI knew died, okay?
Yeah.
And they had the AIDS quilt orwhatever.
And the hatred, the amount ofhatred towards people who loved
each other was so foreign to me.
And I'm kind of glad.
I'm kind of glad I grew up thatway.
I'm glad because I didn't seeit as an issue because I was

(30:19):
taught to love my neighbor asmyself, to treat people as I
wanted to be treated, right?
I grew up Catholic or whatever,but it's also just fucking good
moral compass.
Right.
And I just I'm floored by theamount of people that have so
much hate in their heart, andit's really none of their
business.

(30:40):
And I remember the turningpoint where people started
understanding that AIDS wasn'tabout being uh gay.
It was uh when Magic Johnson,God bless him, I don't care what
anyone thinks about MagicJohnson.
That motherfucker did somethingback then that he didn't have
to do and he changed thetrajectory of how people thought
about AIDS.

(31:00):
Do you remember that?
Like it was amazing.
And I think for me, I feel badfor people who have so much hate
in their heart for shit theyknow nothing about.

Andrea (31:10):
I believe that it's but they're they're just unhappy
with their own lives, right?
These are just sad, miserable,unhappy people who don't have
the tools or the resources orthe whatever to deal with what's
happening internally, so theyjust spew it all out at other

(31:30):
people.

Carmen Lezeth (31:32):
So you blame people, I mean, that that kind
of explains a lot of Trumpsupporters, too.
Like it's so much easier toblame black and brown people or
whoever, Asian people, whatever,than it is to take
responsibility, you know, pullyourself up by your bootstraps,
take responsibility for your ownplot in life instead of blaming
every other person for quoteunquote stealing your job.

(31:54):
I mean, that's it's the samekind of thing.

Andrea (31:56):
Yeah.
I mean, there's just a real,real inability to look within
and ask, what's my role here?
What's my responsibility here?
What do I have to learn?
How can I personally be better?
Um, you know, just as a person,not necessarily.
How can I help my neighbor?

Carmen Lezeth (32:14):
How can I help my neighbor?

Andrea (32:16):
How can I help somebody else?
You know, can I see thatsomeone is struggling,
suffering, whatever?
And and that's truly, I mean,that's what actually makes
people happy, right?
That's what brings people joy.
Think about it, right?
All of the times when you'veactually helped someone, it
almost feels like it's selfishsometimes.
Helping other people, being ofservice to other people, it's I

(32:39):
think studies have actuallyshown that's how you get true
happiness and true joy.
So the more that people arehating and pushing their hate on
other people and making theirlives worse, it builds within
them, right?
It's like a thisself-fulfilling cycle of like,
I'm just gonna hate and I'm notgonna help.
And so you just get worse andworse and worse, I think.

Carmen Lezeth (33:01):
No, no, I I I think you're actually right.
I think that's the the thething that people don't
understand is that when yougive, you get so much more.
It's this this is why I hatenonprofits.
I really do.
I know all over the place.
Oh, let's say let me just tailyou off.
This is where the real dirt is.
Wait, so this is where the realdirt is.

(33:24):
I know because I've worked fora lot of nonprofits, one in
particular, which you worked attoo, basically, but it it was a
family foundation.
Lots of money, lots of money.
And but they would only givemoney to other nonprofits
because when you give money toother nonprofits, you get a tax
write-off.
And it's my biggest pet peevewith fucking wealthy people.

(33:46):
You know what?
Don't give money just to get atax write-off.
Give money because you have itand you get the actual feeling
of helping somebody who actuallyneeds the help.
Nothing against nonprofits thatare set up to help others.
I get it.
That's not my point.
My point is when you have anabundance of whatever it is,

(34:06):
love, kindness, money, when youhave an abundance of that, you
can choose to give that freelywithout any fucking conditions
and without the expectation ofgetting anything in return.
And what you don't understandand what Andrea is talking about
is you get so much more whenyou give that way.

Andrea (34:29):
It's true, it's life-altering, and it's you
know, it it it's there's allthere's almost no other feeling
in the world like it.

Carmen Lezeth (34:39):
There isn't, and that's why, like when especially
when I was working at my otherjob and I was making so much
money.
I to this day, one of theregrets I have is that I, you
know, bought a condo becausecertain people, not not Andrea,
but you remember, I do, Arlene.
Back then, I didn't say nonames, but back then, people,

(35:00):
you know, back then before thethe housing crisis um and the
economy crash, everybody waslike, if you had any amount of
money at all, everybody wastelling you to buy a house.
Nobody says that shit today.
No, they told you that today.

Andrea (35:12):
It was, it was like if if you got 25 cents in the bank,
you need to go get yourselfout.
Oh, yeah.

Carmen Lezeth (35:18):
I mean, and so I remember because Arlene would be
like Carmen, stop giving awayyour money.
You you're not getting a taxwrite-up.
And then I had a businessmanager at the time, and he was
like, Yeah, you you have to beable to put this in this or do
this or buy condo.

Andrea (35:30):
I remember it was very much like you have to.
And yeah, I remember you eventelling me, I have to buy this
condo.

Carmen Lezeth (35:36):
I have to buy this condo.
Yeah, and I it was it's one ofthe biggest regrets of my life
because the thing I enjoyeddoing, and Andrea, I think you
were there for some of it.
I enjoyed giving money away.
Yeah, and I just would give itaway.
And I mean, I wish I had themoney now to give away, really,
to a lot of people.
I wish I did, I mean formyself.
I would just give it to me.

Andrea (35:59):
But I just the amount of you had enough, right?
I mean, this is uh one of ourrunning themes, right?
Like, no, do you understandwhat's enough for you?
You understood what was enoughfor you, and it yeah honestly,
it wasn't that much.
No, it wasn't above that.
No, no, no.

Carmen Lezeth (36:18):
I was making, I don't mind, I share this all the
time.
I don't mind, I was making witheverything, I was making like
$250,000 a year.
That and and back then, thatwasn't that much at all.
I mean, it's really not thatmuch at all now.
That's nothing.
I mean, it is something, butI'm just saying because the
economy's changed, but I don'tmind sharing that.
I mean, I was like, for me,that was being a millionaire

(36:38):
back then, you know, because youhad everything you needed.

Andrea (36:41):
If you wanted to go out to dinner, if you wanted to buy
some nice shoes, if you wantedto take a trip, you could do all
of those things.
Yeah, what more do you need?

Carmen Lezeth (36:49):
I didn't need anything else, and then I
fucking put like 400 grand intoa fucking condo, and then I
fucking no, I'm just kidding,don't get me started again.
We just got me into a place ofjoy.
Yeah.
No, but it was it was.
You brought it up.
What?
I said you brought it up, notme.
No, no, I'm just saying, like,I feel no, I'm actually laughing

(37:10):
now because I think that'sprobably what people are
missing.
And I think you made a reallygreat point.
If you are continuously in thatspace of negativity and just
constantly trying to blame otherpeople for the thing that
you're in, maybe what you needto do is stop, stop thinking
about yourself and go helpsomebody else.
I wasn't gonna bring this up,but so yesterday I was walking

(37:32):
down to pick up a prescriptionor whatever I was doing.
And um, this older man, like Imean older, like late 70s, 80s.
I've got to stop saying thatbecause I'm gonna get yourself.
Oh my god, I'm getting I'mgetting closer.
I don't know, I don't know.
But he was walking my way, andand I had my headset on, and I

(37:55):
thought he had to ask me aquestion.
And I was like, Oh, what do youneed?
And he pulled out, I shit younot, this really happened
yesterday.
He pulled out this rose, it waslike in his pocket, this
little, okay, and I've put it inthis water and now it's like
it's blooming, it's so pretty,right?
Okay, and he didn't speakEnglish, like I don't know what

(38:18):
his language was or whatever,but um, and I was like, Oh,
thank you so much.
And then he went to give me ahug and he kissed me on the
cheek, which I have to sayfreaked me out a little bit, a
little bit.
But I didn't retract.
I I let him, you know, and thenI and and that was it.
And it was so freaking.
And I I carried this thing withme to get the prescription, and

(38:38):
I started thinking about likefirst of all, I'm sure he's very
lonely or whatever.
I'm sure it was a kindness, butI'm sure nobody's talking to
him.
I don't know, like there's anursing home around you.
I don't know what the answeris, but how weird is it that we
don't say good morning topeople.
We don't, and now this rose hasmade me so happy.

(39:00):
I thought it was dead because Iand then I put it in this
little water.
But it's that act of kindnessthat I know you think I'm full
of shit.
I swear not at all.
It's lovely, it's totallyhappened, and I'm like, but you
know what?
We don't we don't know ourneighbors, we don't give a
smile, we don't give withoutgetting some tax write-off shit.
I wish look at I love thatAmazon woman that she divorced

(39:24):
that motherfucker.
What's his name?
Oh, uh Kim, but her McKenzieMcKenzie.
I love it.
Every five minutes, she gavefive billion dollars to this
place, six million dollars tothis place.
I'm like, I need her to justgive money to people and stop
giving it to so manyorganizations that are
nonprofits, and I don't want tohear about it.
Yeah, but if you want myaddress, it's AL box.

Andrea (39:46):
Student loans and some healthcare debt.

Carmen Lezeth (39:50):
If you could just send it our way, you could
contact me all about the joint,right?
Like, no, no, she's doing greatstuff, but it's kind of that
thing too.
Like, I just and maybe she isgiving, I don't know.
But just she's never not gonnabe a billionaire because of all
her investments.

Andrea (40:05):
Well, like, and maybe she's trying, right?
Like, I I don't know if she'sreally trying to not have any
money, but like she's certainlygiving it away as best she can
in a way that none of thoseother boroughs are.

Carmen Lezeth (40:18):
Yeah, she does it to I I was reading an article
about her because she keepsgiving a lot of money away, but
because of her other ex uhinvestments, she's making that
money back, right?
So there's a certain pointwhere you have so much you
literally almost can't give itaway.
And I don't think people knowwhat a billion dollars is.
No, I don't think peopleunderstand the gravity of a

(40:39):
billion dollars.
If you take a handful of sugar,if you get a handful of sugar
like this and drop it on aplate, and that's a billion
dollars, one granular of that isone million dollars.
That's but it's true, yeah,yeah, one little granular of

(41:00):
that pile is a million dollars.

Andrea (41:03):
Yeah, there's a I mean, you can look it up.
There's all kinds of thingswhere it's like, you know, a
million dollars is you know, 33years or whatever, you know,
whatever it might be.
I I'm probably wrong, but youknow, a billion dollars is like,
you know, a hundred and fiftyyears, or you know what I mean?
It's like it it's it's a numberthat you can't wrap your head

(41:23):
around.
And you certainly don't evertruly need to have in your life.
You couldn't spend it all ifyou drove.

Carmen Lezeth (41:32):
Well, because at that point it becomes that's no
longer about money, that's aboutpower.
And so I always like to useMichael Jackson as an example,
and I I I do love MichaelJackson's music.
I don't that's not the argumentwe're gonna have or whatever,
but there is this idea that atsome point he had so much money,
and I don't think he was abillionaire.

(41:53):
He might be now after he'sdead, you know, because he keeps
making money, but he had somuch money he didn't know what
to do with it.

Andrea (41:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
You there's no way that you caneven know how to spend it.
I mean, that's why these guysare buying rockets, and you
know, what I don't need, well,yes, that's you.
Uh, you know, doing what didMark Zuckerberg spend all the
money on, like the virtualreality glasses that nobody
wants, and now it's wastedmoney.
You know what I mean?
It's they literally don't know.

(42:20):
They're like little kids whoare like, hey, let me know the
rocket, let me go to Mars, youknow.

Carmen Lezeth (42:25):
They're in look at this goes for all of them.
Mark Cuban, all thebillionaires I do love.
Mark Cuban, Oprah Winfrey, youknow what I mean, Warren
Buffett.
There's a lot of billionairesnow.
And it's really before therewas like one or two, and now
there's like 47 or something.
It's a ridiculous thing.
And what's happening is here'smy theory.
I don't care what you you canmake as much motherfucking money

(42:48):
as you want, but we cannot havehomelessness.
We cannot be people havingpeople who are hungry, children
who don't get lunch.
Like, I don't want to have thatkind of money and know that
people are still on the street.
Like, to me, it makes no sense.

Andrea (43:02):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say there's so many billionaires
now because they have taken allof our money.
Yes.
Like, that is money that shouldrightfully be going back into
the country, society.
We should have fully fundedhealth care, we should have
fully funded education.
Nobody should be homeless, youknow.

(43:23):
Everyone should have cleandrinking water.

Carmen Lezeth (43:24):
I mean, Andrea, that's socialism.
It's not, it's not no, you knowwhat, that's actually not
socialism.
That's being a good, decenthuman being.
That's having that's having afunctioning society, is what it
is.
Yes, yes.
And here's the thing if theywere like, and we can get into
this whole tax thing, but ifpeople were being taxed the same

(43:46):
and corporations weren't ableto uh find a loophole so that
they don't have to pay taxes andthey don't have to pay people
decent wages, that's where theinequality comes.
Because if they were paying alltheir correct taxes, then we
would have all of this money.
Taxes go to the government sothat the government can then,

(44:08):
you know, pave your roads, payfor your police officers.
And we're just saying pay forhealth care, educations,
hospitals, like that, findingcures for shit like cancer and
whatever and warm braindiseases, whatever the fuck this
man has.
I don't even know what the fuckthat story's about.

(44:30):
But I was like, whatever.
Yeah, it's it's distressing,it's distressing.
It's distressing.
All right, let's get back to areally good topic though.
Okay.
Well, first let's talk aboutRob Reiner.
I didn't know if you had.
Look, it I ain't gonna bring upthat motherfucker what he said
because I'm just gonna getupset.
So let's just leave that alone.
But Rob Reiner and his wifeMichelle were brutally murdered

(44:54):
this past weekend.
It was heartbreaking.
I know everyone has heard aboutit, but he was so beloved.
But I really do think he is oneof these people that we did not
realize.
We did know he was a greatdirector, but it's almost like
now that you see his catalog,you're like, oh, oh, oh.
So I didn't know if you had afavorite um Rob Reiner movie.

Andrea (45:15):
I do.
Um, I've seen a lot from that,you know, I've seen that whole
sort of like 80s, early 90scatalog, um, surprisingly for
you, I bet.
Um I just asked the questionand I wrote some of the movies
down just to see.
So and I think they're allgreat, right?
I mean, um misery is one thatreally stands out to me.

(45:37):
I remember seeing that in thetheater and was like, oh, like
it's intense.
But Kathy Bates' amazing,right?
And one of the things about RobReiner that I was, as I was
kind of thinking through thecatalog, was that he got great
performances out of people.
Like if you look at thesefilms, it's like great
performance after greatperformance after great

(45:59):
performance, which it's not myworld, you know more about that.
I would imagine that says a lotabout who he is as a person and
a director, right?

Carmen Lezeth (46:07):
Um, also just before you go on to the next
part of this, it's because he'salso, I think, uh, he's an
actor, so he knows how to talkto an actor, and that's what I
also think is the part of it.
Because remember, he was an allin the family show.
Yeah, that's why I think he wasgreat at getting great uh
performances, but guys, I'msorry.

Andrea (46:27):
Um a couple of the standouts for me, um Spinal Tap,
just because a couple ofreasons.
Number one, I grew up aroundmusicians for a big part of my
life.
I've seen that movie, I trulydon't even know how many times.
Yeah, I still quote from it ona regular basis.
I love the whole mockumentarylike style of things.

(46:50):
I love a lot of those moviesthat came after from some of
those guys who were in SpinalTap.
Like it's just a personal likecomfort movie.
But I got like, if I reallythink about my favorite, it's
gotta be when Harry Met Sally.
It's just like such a classic.
Another one that I quoteregularly.
I think you know, Carrie Fisherwas amazing in that movie.
Um, it's one of those likeit'll come on maybe if you're

(47:13):
like flipping through channels.
I do I go through the channelsa lot when I'm traveling and I'm
like, oh, when Harry Met Sally,you know, like I just love it.
It's just again, it's a lot ofthere were some of them like
misery and maybe stand by methat aren't really comforting
necessarily, but right those area couple that just make me feel
like, oh, it's nice.
I want to watch this again.

Carmen Lezeth (47:31):
I I have to give a shout out to The Princess
Bride, right?
I don't, I mean, you have to.
It's kind of for me, the thatone and Spinal Tap are kind of
like it's just classics.
And if you've never seen them,you do not, you cannot be in my
world.
Like you cannot talk to meabout anything regarding
Hollywood films, whatever.
Like it's just there were somebasic things that you need to
have watched, you know.

(47:51):
Um, you get a pass because youhaven't seen E.T.
or Field of Dreams, but that'sokay.
I love you anyways, so we'lljust move on.
Okay, we're gonna get back toHallmark just for a moment, just
to see how you're doing.

Andrea (48:02):
Any any new films you I just saw the Henry Fonda one
like two days ago.
I was gonna text you, but I waslike, okay, she put she doesn't
need me to text her every time.
Oh, I'm so happy.

Carmen Lezeth (48:12):
Oh, that's so great.

Andrea (48:13):
Um, there's one that I've been watching regularly,
it's one of the Netflix ones,and it's set in Chicago, which
is my really they're mostly allset in Chicago.
Well, tending to be New York.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, but it's not like smalltown, right?
Right, right, right.
And I just love Chicago and Ilove the clothes that she's

(48:34):
wearing throughout the movie,and so I just, you know, I tend
to wear it.
What's it about?
Huh?
What's it about?
It's it's called No Sleep TillChristmas.
It's goofy, and it's she she'sengaged to this guy and she's
having trouble sleeping as itgets closer to her wedding, and
she things happen.
She ends up falling asleep inher car with this other random

(48:58):
guy, and it turns out they bothand he also has trouble
sleeping, they can only sleepwhen they're together, but they
don't like each other, they'reclashing, you know, very
different world.

Carmen Lezeth (49:07):
Oh, and they see each other in the at the
fountain or something.

Andrea (49:11):
No, in their dreams, do they see each other?

Carmen Lezeth (49:13):
No, no, no, no.

Andrea (49:14):
Sorry, wrong one, wrong one.
They have set up, like, okay,we're just gonna meet and sleep
together, sleep, truly sleep,like fall asleep together, you
know.
So they do this over a periodof time, and you know, you can
imagine where that all goes.

Carmen Lezeth (49:26):
So okay, I don't know this one.
There is one that's similarbecause they're all kind of the
same, like they steal from eachother.
Where two people are sleeping,they don't know each other, they
don't sleep in the cartogether.
I don't remember that part, butthen they meet in each other's
dreams.
Oh no, I don't know.
Yeah, it's very interesting.
And then, and I forget how theyand then they end up meeting in
person, so they keep trying tofall asleep because they know

(49:49):
that's the one.
I forget what that one is, too.
So they're like trying to goget back to their dreams, trying
to get back to their dreams,but then they do eventually like
the ending is that they meet inperson at a fountain, which for
some reason in the dream, thefountain is the thing.
Maybe they flip the coin in andmade a wish.
You know, that's one of thetropes, too.
Like they they flip the coin inat the same time at opposite

(50:12):
ends or whatever, and thensomehow like met in the middle.
Look at the thing is those areall different tropes.
That could be 17 differentmovies, but it's like all the
same.

Andrea (50:23):
So so here's a thing that happened to me regarding
Hallmark.
So I put on Hallmark, but thisis a couple of nights ago, and I
had a lot of work to do.
So I'm like, I'm just gonna puton the background, you'll
probably be something I'vealready seen, you know,
whatever.
And I'm kind of like halfpaying attention, but not
really.
And I see one of the Hallmarkladies that I've seen in another
show, and it's like a periodpiece, right?
She's dressed up, she's like bya train, and there's this guy,

(50:44):
and I'm like, wow, they werereally digging through the
bottom of the barrel for thisguy.
Like he just like so wooden andlike terrible, and the way, you
know, his his whatever.
And and I, you know, so I'mlike dipping in, dipping out,
and then I realize, like, oh,like they're making a movie,
right?

(51:05):
They're shooting it.
I'm like, so it's like aChristmas movie within a
Christmas movie, right?
Like they're shooting thisbecause there's the director,
and he's like, okay, now we wantyou to do blah blah blah.
And and the guy's like, oh,it's just really hard.
I'm like staring into her blueeyes, and da-da-da.
And I'm like, oh, okay, youknow, I know where this is
going, right?
And I dip back out and do mywork, and then I dip back in.

(51:26):
It's a reality show.
They're trying to find like thenext Hallmark hunt.
Mr.
Hallmark, Mr.
Hall, Mr.
Christmas or something.
Like, no, no, no, no.
And they're calling him Mr.
Christmas.
I don't want to see how theHallmark sausage is made.
You know, I don't want to seeanything.
Oh, that is so funny.
Well, why were you watching?
Oh, you thought it was a movie.
I thought it was a moviebecause I wasn't really paying

(51:48):
attention.
And I saw my girl who I likeknew, and I was like, Oh, her
okay, yeah.
She did that one.

Carmen Lezeth (51:53):
Oh, because they're having that.
You know what's so funny?
I haven't seen it, but I've sawfor I don't do I don't do
unscripted shows.
I don't see real shows.

Andrea (52:02):
I didn't know.
This is new.

Carmen Lezeth (52:03):
This is a new thing they've they're trying
this year.
Yeah, I think it's cheesy.

Andrea (52:09):
Don't do first of all, don't do this to us, the
viewers, but also don't do thisto these guys who were just
terrible.
Like, don't put them on thescreen like that.

Carmen Lezeth (52:16):
That's not they're trying new things.
They I I think I've told you amillion times, they lost a lot
of their Hallmark stars, andlike they had two shows, like
they had a daytime show, andthey lost, I think, two of the
actors from that show to theGreat American Channel.
So so that's like like it waskind of like a daytime talk
show, so they don't have thatanymore.

(52:37):
And then they, you know, andthen they had another show that
was like I think a cooking showor something.
Okay, so they're trying allthese new things.
They also have new series out.
I've never seen like it wasusually just movies, but now
they have like like shows, showsthat actually have like six
episodes or something.
I don't remember that kind ofthing.
So they're doing that.

Andrea (52:58):
I don't like it.
I just I just want the movie, Ijust want the Christmas movies.

Carmen Lezeth (53:03):
That's all I want from you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I I didn't even think thatyou would fall for that, but
yeah, that that's I mean, Idon't mean it fall for that that
way.
I you weren't paying attention,so it was in the background.

Andrea (53:14):
That's why I'm like, God, this is so bad.
And then when they would cutand it would be, and I was like,
maybe it's supposed to be bad,right?
And the but then I was like,well, god, this guy who's
playing the director is alsoreally bad.

Speaker (53:26):
Oh my god, you're so mean.
That's horrible of you, butokay, well.
Sorry, not sorry.
Don't you know, like as I said,don't do this to us.

Andrea (53:35):
We don't want this.
Did they already pick the Mr.
Christmas?
I have no idea because he'llturn it off immediately and
probably put on no sleep tillChristmas.
Got it.

Carmen Lezeth (53:44):
Okay.
Well, on that note, you knowwhat we didn't do, I forgot.
We have to always, hello, thisis always the joy.
Gotta always throw that in.
I was looking forward to thisas I was watching the movie
earlier this week.
I know you still haven't seenany with him in it, though.
Uh well, just the one, just theone.
I don't know that they don't.

(54:05):
I think we missed him, but Idon't know.
Well, I'll I'll double checkthe listings and uh let you know
if we should record something.
But yeah, he is my fave.
And um, wait, you did seewhat's his name, Kevin McGarry
in one of them, didn't you?

Andrea (54:17):
He was on there.
In one of them, I just know whohe is from other things.
Oh, yeah.
He's yeah, he's he was in thatlike hor Canadian horse show.

Speaker (54:27):
Um Canadian horse show.
Uh, When Calls the Heart.
Is that what you're talkingabout?

Carmen Lezeth (54:30):
Heartland.

Andrea (54:31):
No, is it oh yeah, yeah, he was on Heartland too.
Heartland.
My daughter was into that.

Carmen Lezeth (54:35):
Um, so but he's on their long time series that's
been on for a long time calledWhen Calls the Heart.
He's the lead actor in that.
Okay, well, I won't be watchingthat because it's not and then
the guy with no chin that youwere talking about used to be
the by the way, I never noticedthat.
Now that's all I can see.
That's Daniel Lessing.
Isn't the movie that was onlast night when I put it on and

(54:57):
I was like, Nope.
You don't understand.
Okay, so here's the thing.
Um, people who watch one callsthe heart are called hardies.
Okay.
So they will be very angry withyou if you don't like Daniel
Lessing.

Andrea (55:12):
Oh, we weren't gonna name him.

Carmen Lezeth (55:15):
Why not?
We gotta want to name andshame.
Listen, listen, I just sat sathere and screamed and yelled
about Donald Trump.
We can name Daniel Lessing assomeone you're not that a fan
of.
Are you planning on meeting?

Andrea (55:27):
It's fine.

Carmen Lezeth (55:29):
Okay, you don't want me?
I can tell it's fine.
It's okay.
It's funny.
Listen, I talk about the men Ilove.
I'm not cruel like you.
I don't, I don't, I don't judgepeople the way you do.

Speaker (55:40):
It's true.

Carmen Lezeth (55:41):
I got nothing.
You're right.
Listen, I do I see the no-chinthing.

Andrea (55:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sure he's a lovely person.
And I am sorry that I'm ahateful judgmental.

Carmen Lezeth (55:56):
No, no, send all of your hate to Andrea at
allaboutthejoy.com.
Do you have that email?
We don't have an email.
All of your hate mail.
Um, all right, everyone.
Thank you so much, Andrea, asalways.
Remember at the end of the day,it really is all about the joy,
and we'll see you next time.
Bye, everyone.

(56:18):
This is so wrong.
Thanks for stopping by, AllAbout the Joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.