June 8, 2025 • 52 mins
Carmen, Cynthia, and Rick dive into the fascinating world of unexplainable phenomena, superstitions, and spiritual beliefs in this thought-provoking conversation. From Carmen's late-night TikTok rabbit hole filled with seemingly personalized tarot readings to Rick's childhood experiments with Ouija boards before finding faith, the hosts share their personal journeys with the supernatural.
The conversation weaves through personal experiences with psychics (some surprisingly accurate, others comically generic), spiritual encounters that defy explanation, and the strange predictive power of pop culture like The Simpsons' uncanny foretelling of future events. While Carmen approaches these mysteries with scientific curiosity—suggesting patterns exist within chaos even when we don't understand them—Rick offers insights from his religious perspective, and Cynthia shares how carrying her first communion rosary provides comfort during travels.
What makes this episode particularly compelling is how it examines our human need for meaning and connection beyond the physical world. Whether it's interpreting signs from deceased loved ones, carrying protective tokens, or questioning coincidences, the conversation reveals how we all seek to make sense of life's unpredictability in our own ways.
Does believing in something give it power? Are our lives predetermined or random? Join the neighborhood discussion and explore these questions yourself.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:06):
Hi everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
The private lounge In the houseis Cynthia Lopez and Rick Costa
.
I'm sorry, cynthia Lopez Ruiz.
It's okay, it's okay, I know,and Rick Costa's in the house,
how are you guys doing Doinggood?
I know, and Rick Costa's in thehouse, how are you guys doing
Doing good, doing good.
(00:27):
So we just want to give a shoutout to Mario and Alma.
We miss them.
We look forward to having themback when they're able to return
, but they are still part of theneighborhood, so I know people
have missed them, so I just wantto throw that out there.
Yeah, so I wanted to talk alittle bit today just about a
glitch in the matrix, and I knowthis is kind of weird, but I
(00:49):
know you guys are on TikTok andfor those of you who are not on
TikTok, it doesn't matter, I'msure you've seen this.
The other night I haven't beenfeeling well, so I've been kind
of up at different hours orwhatever, and I did the doom
scroll, right, the TikTok doomscroll and I came across this
TikToker and he was like stop,stop, stop, don't, don't, don't,
(01:10):
keep scrolling.
If this video found you, thenit was meant to be, and he goes
down this whole thing.
He's like this is what's goingto happen, and I can feel it
because of the runes and thethis and the tarot and the
whatever I was in it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (01:24):
Let me tell you I was like yes, oh my God,
yes, I was like she wasdefinitely tired.
Carmen Lezeth (01:33):
But he went on for like the whole 10 minutes
reading cards and I don't evenknow what runes are, but I
learned those stones or whatever.
And he's going on and on and Iwas like you know what?
This is why I was sick.
I needed to see.
This is the message theuniverse sends me, a message, so
I go to scroll to the next one,and it's yet another person.
Rick Costa (01:58):
The algorithm she likes to Right.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:01):
We're going to throw a wall at her.
Carmen Lezeth (02:04):
But she was talking about astrology.
She's like are you a Capricorn?
I'm like I'm a Capricorn.
Let me tell you, it took meabout another 60 seconds to
realize like the algorithm is somessing with me how much of
that night curl did you take?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:26):
The algorithm is so messing with me.
How much?
Carmen Lezeth (02:28):
of that night, curl did you take.
But it got me thinking aboutall of these different things,
superstitions and astrology andI just wanted to know how you
guys felt about it.
Do you guys believe in certainthings?
Do you have any feelings aboutit?
Do you guys believe in certainthings?
Do you have any feelings aboutit?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:48):
and, rick, especially with you regarding
religion, how it mightintertwine or not or whatever so
with me, like I think we hadthis conversation before carmen
with um astrology, like yourcapricorn on pisces and like all
the characteristics and thingslike that, and I I'm so for
(03:08):
astrology, like I, I used toread it almost every day.
I don't anymore, but, um, everynow and then I'll read it and
I'm like, oh yeah, I'm likethat's happened already this
week.
Oh, this is what I have, so doyou mean a horoscope, you mean?
theoscope.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah andstuff like that and comparing
(03:30):
people's characteristics withhow they really are, and things
like that.
Sometimes I do believe in it.
I've kind of been iffy with itlately, really, yeah, but before
I was so into it every dayreading my horse.
Carmen Lezeth (03:49):
Well, when I was like 13 I used to be like, oh
my god, I know he loves me.
Then I'd be like we totallymatch.
It wouldn't even matter likewhich one I look at I don't even
know astrology, right but Iwould be like, oh my god, he
totally loves me.
It was so weird.
Rick Costa (04:09):
But go ahead yeah, as far as astrology, that was,
uh, pre-christianity jesus stufffor me.
I was so into that stuffanything oh my gosh, because of
the abuse and everything I wasgoing through with mostly dad, I
just felt like I needed someanswers, some power, some way
(04:32):
for some kind of control in mylife, like something, because
I'm going nuts and I was allinto that.
And oh my gosh, esp, psychicastrology, all that occult stuff
, peace, psychic astrology, allthat occult stuff.
I was like and in my mind I'mlike god's cool with this god's,
because my mother did raise me,like you know, to believe in
god, very catholic ouija board.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (04:52):
I had a ouija board, believe it or not
that's one thing I will nevermess with the we messing with
the spirits I was crazy when Iwas.
Rick Costa (05:02):
I was a kid.
I was so crazy.
I brought it to school, tryingto get people to do it with me,
and they were like I ain'tmessing with that.
Carmen Lezeth (05:10):
I don't believe in it, but I ain't messing with
it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (05:13):
I ain't crazy.
Carmen Lezeth (05:15):
You don't want to tempt it?
I ain't tempted that shit.
Rick Costa (05:19):
I was into all that stuff, but now it's like there's
a traumatic story.
But anyway, I look athoroscopes today and I'm like
y'all, I was into all that stuff, but now it's like I mean,
there's a traumatic story.
But anyway, I look athoroscopes today and I'm like
y'all, this is so generic, youcan literally take any of them
and apply them to you, but someof them get all excited.
My horoscope said be carefularound water and I almost
(05:41):
slipped in the bathtub today.
Oh my God, that was so accurate.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (05:44):
Come on, come on, come on Stop, you might
slip because you don't have amat in your bathtub.
Rick Costa (05:51):
Or you don't clean that nasty thing.
Carmen Lezeth (05:53):
I just want everyone who's listening to the
podcast who are into astrology.
You can send all of your emailsand complaints to Rick Costa
and Cynthia Ruiz Lopez.
Do not send it to me.
You know who else is a bigastrology person.
You guys would be so surprised.
Rick Costa (06:15):
Andrea, andrea Really.
Carmen Lezeth (06:16):
Yeah, Because she's like teetering on atheism.
I think she's more agnostic,and not to keep talking about
her, but her birthday is comingup, so we'll give a shout out to
her on her birthday.
But yeah, I always found itfascinating, but it's what
you're talking about.
Rick is like we always want tobe able to try to explain things
.
I will say I've never believed,even when I was a teenager and
(06:39):
doing the whole Louvre thing andcraziness thing and craziness.
The problem with astrology forme is more of a weird scientific
thing in that in order toreally understand the stars and
what they may mean, you have tounderstand where all the stars
in the universe are.
And we don't right, we onlyknow the ones that are in our
(07:02):
orbit, in our whatever.
So I always thought that waslogically.
It didn't make any sense thatthat's what it could mean.
But you know that's probablygetting too into the weeds.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (07:13):
So I was.
I've always been a skeptic whenit comes to psychics and I went
to a psychic once and it waswith my friend at the time and
me and Juan had just starteddating.
I didn't say anything to thiswoman about Juan, about anything
, and she automatically knew Iwas going to be dating this guy.
(07:35):
I'm dating this guy.
He does have children, but he'sgoing to be the one that I'm
going to be with for the rest ofmy life.
And yeah which I thought wasvery weird, but that was the
only time I ever saw a psychic.
Carmen Lezeth (07:51):
I've gone in and seen psychics too, and when I
left I was like, oh my God, howdid they know?
And I'll say this because youknow I write in journals all the
time, right?
So the reason why I get rid ofmy journals is so many reasons.
So every year on my birthday Iget rid of all the journals I've
written all year and peoplealways like why you have such
material.
I'm like because I know what'sin there.
(08:12):
And one of the things I rememberspecifically is I went to the
psychic and you pay your $50 orwhatever it is, and you sit down
, they do the whole reading withyour hand and whatever, and
they do the tarot cards and thewhole thing and they have the
whole look, the whole look withthe beads and the whatever.
And she was so on point.
(08:33):
And then she was like andyou're going to have three kids
and he loves you and you'regoing to be very wealthy.
And she just went and I waslike I believe all of this, she
had all this stuff beforehand,right?
You know what I mean.
And of course, none of thathappened.
By the way, I don't havechildren and I'm not extremely
wealthy, nor did I marry someonewealthy Complete opposite,
(08:56):
actually.
But I think they get us and I'mnot saying all of them are
scams, but I'm going to say thatthey do get us because some of
this stuff is still generalized.
Yeah, most women your age whenyou went in that day are
probably dating somebody or wantto talk and then, like you, do
a face like this, like you know,you know you make a thing or
(09:21):
whatever.
And I'm not saying all of them.
I do believe there are peopleout there who have that sixth
sense, though I'm not going tomess with that.
I do think there are people outthere.
But what I believe, too, isthat they're not making money
off of it, probably.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (09:33):
Yeah, I used to actually work with
someone who was kind of like amedium and I never asked her to
do any type of reading oranything.
Carmen Lezeth (09:43):
I don't know what a medium is, as opposed to
a psychic.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (09:46):
They can speak to the other side.
Oh, my God, they see deadpeople.
Okay, they see them or theyhear messages from them.
Carmen Lezeth (09:58):
This is like.
Rick Costa (09:58):
Whoopi Goldberg in the movie Ghost.
Carmen Lezeth (10:03):
Understood.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (10:11):
So I never asked her to do any type of
reading.
She said to me she's like I cando a reading for you and I said
no, no, and she's like, but youdon't want to know about your
mom.
And she came out and said thatand I said no, I said I don't.
I said thank you, but I don'twant to know anything like.
I don't leave it as is, youknow so yeah, that's freaky.
Carmen Lezeth (10:30):
Go ahead, rick no, I.
Rick Costa (10:33):
What was funny about the Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost
was originally she was fake,like she did that for a living
and she was totally fake.
But then, you know, a real oneshowed up and she kicked in.
Carmen Lezeth (10:48):
I guess we miss him oh he's a great dancer, not
to go off on a tangent, butevery time I think of ghost or
any, I just I loved patrickswayze.
He was amazing.
Did I say patrick stewart?
No, I said patrick, you wereabout to, I was about to, right.
I want to hear what Rick had tosay about suspicion and
religion.
If you don't mind touching onit Like kind of, you know the
(11:11):
things we do, knock on wood andyou know, throw salt on your
whatever, whatever, that thingis Over the left shoulder.
Look at him like and crack yourmother's back.
Rick Costa (11:32):
It's all superstition.
I think I don't put any stockin any of that stuff.
To be honest with you, andwhere my parents come from, boy
they yeah, they had a lot ofthat stuff like.
One thing was, if you'repregnant, if the woman's face
this, this sounds so stupidbecomes ugly, it's a girl,
because the girl is taking thebeauty from the mother.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (11:50):
I've heard that so many times.
What Wow.
Carmen Lezeth (11:54):
Wow, that's so wrong.
And then what would happen whenthe kid came out ugly anyways?
Rick Costa (12:01):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (12:04):
She wasn't that pretty.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (12:06):
You blame it on the dad.
Carmen Lezeth (12:09):
I wonder how some of these things begin,
right, they're so weird.
So I will share with yousomething that I thought was
fascinating regarding the ideaof deja vu or things that are
predictive, right?
So deja vu in the sciencecommunity and I didn't read up
on all of this because there wasso much they, of course, don't
(12:31):
believe in it.
They think some of it is justsometimes the electrical parts
of our brain are misfiring, orit could have something to do
with dream sleeping Like wedream about things we don't know
where they come from, but thenwe experience something similar
in life.
I thought that was fascinating,but one of the real-life kind
of eerie coincidences, becausethat's another one, right, do we
(12:55):
believe in coincidences?
And I wanted to come up withsomething contemporary.
So, do you guys know the showthe Simpsons?
It was the animated series.
Oh, it's still on.
Rick Costa (13:05):
I'm not trying to pretend everybody is it like the
longest running show ever?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (13:11):
30 something years now, but what
again?
Carmen Lezeth (13:13):
it was a pleasure to have your dumb asses
on the show.
Why are you messing with me?
I don't know if everyone youknow what's so funny.
I don't watch.
Watch the Simpsons.
Rick Costa (13:23):
I don't either, but we know about it.
We have a lovely conversation.
All these predictions of who'sgoing to be the president, and
this, that and the other Well,let me tell you.
Carmen Lezeth (13:35):
So this is the thing about the Simpsons.
That's kind of weird.
Is it coincidence or is itsomething else?
They predicted well, theydidn't predict.
But in a 2000 episode theypredicted.
Well, they didn't predict.
But in a 2000 episode, uh, thesimpsons joked about trump
becoming president, and 16 yearslater it happened.
So ricky knew that one.
Smart watches in 1995, the showfeatured a wristwatch that
(13:57):
could make phone calls, yearsbefore smart watches became a
reality.
I didn't know that.
Disney buying fox in.
In 1998, the Simpsons showed asign that said 20th Century Fox,
a division of Walt Disney Co.
Which actually happened in 2017.
And another one the Higgs bosonequation.
(14:17):
In 1998, Homer wrote anequation on a chalkboard that
turned out to be shockinglyclose to the actual Higgs-Boson
particle discovery in 2012.
I probably should have lookedup what that Higgs-Boson thingy
is, because it sounds important,but I don't know what it is.
Well, and then I was looking atReddit.
(14:39):
In 2013, a Reddit user posted ajoke prediction that the
Chicago Cubs would win the WorldSeries in 2016, even though
they hadn't won in 108 years.
And three years later the Cubsactually did win.
So you know, are those thingscoincidences?
Do you believe in coincidencesor is there something else going
(15:00):
on there?
It could be coincidences.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:03):
It could be coincidence.
Rick Costa (15:05):
It could be, educated guesses.
I remember reading a comic thischaracter came from the future
and then they were showing hermemories.
In her memories she sees andnow this is way before 9-11,
they show her seeing her pastand they're showing the Twin
Towers on fire Yo, that's great,but is that coincidence or is
(15:30):
there something to it?
Carmen Lezeth (15:31):
I mean, who knows I mean.
Well, do you personally believein coincidences, Cynthia?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:42):
I think everything happens for a reason.
Yeah, I don't think somethingjust happened, just because I
think there is a reason.
Something happened Now.
It's like they always say thatbutterfly effect you know, if
you go in the past and youchange one little thing, the
whole future has now altered.
So I think it's kind ofsomething like that.
(16:03):
You know where, if it's meantto happen, it's going to happen
regardless.
I don't think it's just acoincidence.
It's meant to be, it's meant tohappen.
Carmen Lezeth (16:13):
Oh, but wait.
But now we're touching on fate,I mean so wait a minute.
So I just got totally confused.
I was totally with you untilyou said if it's meant to happen
, it's meant to happen.
So are you saying that it'spredestined, or yeah I think so
so okay, this is interesting.
(16:34):
Rick, do you believe the samething, that things are like
things happen for a reason, soit's kind of predestined, like
there's no such thing ascoincidences?
Rick Costa (16:46):
I think life is very random, very, very random.
I don't think there's.
So, speaking from the christianside of things, a lot of them
believe god's in control ofeverything and I'm like
absolutely, not, absolutely, Ido not believe that.
100 do not believe that.
So like god's responsible forplanes falling out of the sky,
god's responsible for peoplegetting killed in cars Like
(17:06):
that's stupid.
Carmen Lezeth (17:06):
Yeah, no.
Rick Costa (17:09):
And there's a verse that says it rains on the just
and the unjust.
It's just random.
It doesn't matter how good youare, how bad you are.
I just did a broadcast.
Why do bad things happen togood people, bad things happen
to bad people, good thingshappen to bad people?
Like it's just all random.
Now, I do believe that god canuse a circumstance, try to like
(17:29):
push you towards a certain way,but I don't think he's like
controlling everything.
I don't believe that at all.
But coincidences can happenlike oh, that's the way.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (17:38):
The way I see it is like I think that
obviously god knows what ourlives are going to be, but it's
our decisions on how we're goingto get there.
You know what I mean?
Like I don't think it's acoincidence because we are.
He already knows what's goingto happen to us, but we have
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different directions on whichway to go, so we're the ones
making those decisions.
So, like I said, I don't thinkit's a coincidence.
I just think if it's meant tohappen, it's going to happen.
It's just the way that wechoose it to happen.
That make sense.
Carmen Lezeth (18:17):
Yeah, I just completely disagree.
Obviously, when I'm being quiet, it's because I'm trying to let
you speak.
When I'm being quiet, it'sbecause I'm trying to let you
speak.
Rick Costa (18:28):
The only thing I do believe 100% is that we all have
free will.
100% you can do whatever youwant.
You know it doesn't matter.
If God wants you to do whatever, you can still say no.
Carmen Lezeth (18:38):
But then that kind of goes against the idea of
it being predestined.
That, like Cynthia, the way inwhich I was interpreting that
you were saying is, like, nomatter what, god already has a
plan for you and so you're goingto get to that goal.
But then Rick just said but youcan choose to do whatever you
want, so maybe you don't get tothat goal, right, like you can't
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have it both ways.
You can't have free will andyet also have a predestined
determination, right.
So I don't believe incoincidences at all either, but
not because of the reasons thatyou guys are talking about, I
believe, because I'm not tryingto make this a battle of
religions, all right, because weall know that I'm kind of more
atheist or agnostic nowadays,but I've always been not very
(19:22):
religious anyways.
The reason why I don't believein coincidences is because I
actually believe that there arepatterns in all of the chaos,
even if we don't understand thepatterns.
The chaos, like it's kind oflike what you were talking about
, the butterfly effect, and I'mnot sure that's the correct
interpretation, because I don'tknow how to explain it either as
a scientist, but that's mysimple way of understanding it
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as well too.
If a butterfly flaps his wings.
You know, in Hawaii it rains orwhatever.
There's a windstorm in Floridaor something you know, kind of
logical thing.
And for me that's what Ibelieve.
I believe there are so manydifferent equations and choices
(20:05):
we can make every single day andall of those choices have
consequences and thoseconsequences affect other people
and other people make choicesand then, you know, it goes down
and down and down.
But I think about somethingreally simple, the simplest of
things, and not to get all youknow personal or whatever.
(20:26):
Yeah right, but you know like Ithink about, had my mother
lived, even if she had livedanother year, how dramatically
that might have changed my life.
Or if she had died the firsttime that they thought she was
(20:47):
going to pass away, and I wasmuch younger, those small, tiny
details just change your entirelife.
What if I decided after collegenot to come to California,
instead went back to Boston?
All of those are choices thatchange the trajectory of who I
(21:07):
became and who I am today, butthose were all within my ability
.
I mean not my mom dying orwhatever, but I'm just saying,
like you know what I mean whenhe sees those twists and turns.
So I don't think we werecreated in a way to have a
predestined outcome and I'vetalked to Rick about this and we
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agree to disagree but I thinkof God, or whatever entity you
believe in, as more of anarchitect.
Like when you see a house or abuilding, you know that an
architect built it, but thearchitect isn't there.
The architect isn't sittingthere waiting for you to call on
him to come fix this faucet orwhatever.
You know what I mean.
Or redesign something, but youknow that something built to
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this building, but he's nolonger there, he's gone, and so
the building exists, doing whatthe building is going to do, and
that's kind of I know it's kindof really simple, weird way to
think about it, but that's how Ithink of God.
And so whatever happens to thatbuilding, to the people in that
building, anybody living inthat building, whatever, has
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nothing to do with the architectanymore.
The artist created the art andwalked away, and now it's upon
us to deal with it and handle itand enjoy it, and you know what
I mean.
So, but I think the magnificenceof it is when you look at and
for me it's about the science,and I don't even understand it
that well, but I love learningabout it.
Kind of the idea of chaostheory, which is that idea that
there were all these patterns,even if we don't understand it.
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Does that make sense?
Yeah, I always think about it.
Like when I walk intosomebody's room and it's
completely messy and dirty andthey have stuff thrown all over
the place and it just looks sochaotic, right, we all freak out
.
The truth is, once you startcleaning up that room, you can
see oh, she went to a party thatday.
Oh, this is when she wasplaying with.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (23:00):
Whatever you know what I mean.
There's a story behind eachthing.
Carmen Lezeth (23:02):
There's a story and you can start to see the
patterns in the room of thechaos, and that's kind of how I
see what our lives are like.
Rick Costa (23:11):
The whole messy room thing.
Let's say you have twodifferent people and one is
everything's clean, organizedand in its place, but you've got
the other one.
Everything seems to be all overthe place.
But it's so interesting thatthe person that has everything
all over the place, they knowexactly where everything is.
They never lose it.
They know exactly whereeverything is.
Carmen Lezeth (23:27):
I think that's a facade, but okay, go ahead.
That's like a grandmama's talethat everyone believes.
But go ahead, I'll let youfinish?
Rick Costa (23:34):
no, because I'm like that.
I mean, I'm not super messy,but I, it might seem, to
somebody else.
Oh lord, have mercy, how do youfind anything?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (23:41):
I know exactly where everything is wait
, are you more of it's messy oris it just because you have a
lot of stuff and you know whereeverything is?
Because there's two differentthings.
I mean, being messy is justlike everything thrown
everywhere, you really don'tknow where everything is, and
another one is just having a lotof stuff.
It may look messy, but it'sreally not.
(24:02):
It's just a little clutteredand you know where everything is
.
Carmen Lezeth (24:06):
Since you're talking, about the difference
between a hoarder.
I got you, I got you, I got you.
Rick Costa (24:15):
Yeah, borderline hoarder.
I almost said border Hoarder.
You're not a hoarder, no but Ihave a lot of stuff.
I have a lot of stuff and Iknow where it all is.
Carmen Lezeth (24:25):
Yeah, and I'm the complete opposite.
I am extremely yeah, I shouldhave let you finish.
Minimalist I am extremely yeah,I should have let you finish.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (24:30):
Minimalist.
Carmen Lezeth (24:30):
I was trying to see what you were going to say
about organized people.
What were you going to say,rick, let's rewind, go ahead.
What were you saying?
Maybe I should kick you off.
You're about to disorganizepeople.
Rick Costa (24:41):
No, it's just funny that people that I've been to
their house and they're you knoweverything's so pristine and
immaculate but all the time,like Lord, I don't know where I
put my keys.
Lord, I don't know where I putthis.
Lord, I don't know where I putthat.
I'm like how You're soorganized in my mind.
Carmen Lezeth (25:02):
Right, yeah, I'm extremely to a T, very
organized.
I can't I think we've talkedabout this before I can't
function in chaos.
I don't like chaos.
I don't mind chaos if Iunderstand it, If I understand
what's happening or whatever,I'm okay with it.
But yeah, I don't like anythingthat's out of order and I don't
think I make my guests feeluncomfortable.
But I've been told that I don'tknow.
I'm not saying Cynthia, but youknow people feel like they have
to be neat around me because myhouse is.
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So I don't know, did you feeluncomfortable when you came to
my house?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (25:27):
No, no, because I'm kind of the same way
.
I like things in a certain area, like Juan, and the kids always
make fun of me.
Because when the kids look atus they would always try to move
some of my stuff to see if Iwould notice.
And I would walk into the houseand I'm like, why is that there
?
Why is that there?
And they make fun of me all thetime, so I get it.
Carmen Lezeth (25:48):
Yeah, I think those are all just stylistic
things too.
I mean, rick, in a lot of waysI agree with you.
I think some people areextremely messy and know where
everything is Like, especiallywhen I'm working in offices.
Oh my God, like in one of theoffices I used to work in, I was
like okay, I'm no longer cominginto this office, I'm working
in the conference room because Ican't.
But if I tried to move anythingon her desk she would freak out
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because she couldn't findanything.
But it was like just everythingwas thrown.
That's how it looked.
Thrown, you know, you couldn'tfind a stapler, you couldn't
find the, you couldn't findanything.
But she would move like threepiles and be like here it is.
You know what I mean Like, butI, but I can't function that way
at all.
Rick Costa (26:29):
I'm one that I like everything in its place.
This is where this goes, andthis is where it goes forever.
Carmen Lezeth (26:36):
So you just have a lot of stuff, yeah you're
organized.
Rick Costa (26:40):
But now the crazy part is, I live with somebody
who, unfortunately, has dementia, so it's complete opposite.
Carmen Lezeth (26:47):
I know, but that's different, I know.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (26:51):
And.
Rick Costa (26:51):
I have to be calm and just roll with it.
But the inside of me goes.
Carmen Lezeth (26:56):
Okay, so you're worse than I am because I don't
get all that befuddled oversomebody.
Rick Costa (27:00):
I just squash it down.
Carmen Lezeth (27:03):
Like when I used to have my goddaughter over
because she was little.
You know, and kids are going tobe kids, they're going to do
what they're going to do, andI'd be like, oh my god, stop.
You know, like I'd be likeshe's four carmen, let her be,
she's just playing.
I have to bite my tongue,though, because I'm like, okay,
it's not a big deal, she's justplaying and the paints are
(27:23):
everywhere, yeah, and I I knowit's different for you, you, but
I'm saying it's not likepurposely at all.
Rick Costa (27:32):
No, no, no, Not even stylistically that is just-.
It's not about on purpose orblame, it's just that I still
have to constantly deal with it,every single day.
Carmen Lezeth (27:42):
So you have to clean up after her.
Is that what it is?
Oh my God.
Okay, yeah, I'm going to godown a different oh wait, let's
change the subject Sorry.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (27:53):
You see the smoke coming out of his ears.
Carmen Lezeth (27:57):
I'm not like, oh no.
Rick Costa (27:59):
You've been on Deja Vu before.
We didn't really talk aboutthat.
I definitely had that where I'mlike I'll be sitting on my desk
doing something and all of asudden, wait a minute.
I feel like I've had this exactmoment before.
And then I try to think and I'moh yeah, I think hard.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, this,this is exactly the same thing
that happened then.
But it's like, but it just theway.
(28:20):
It just hits you in a wave likewhoa, what the hell?
Carmen Lezeth (28:23):
a little bit I disagree with the scientist a
bit on this.
You you know, and since I amCarmen Suarez, you know what I
mean.
Like Dr Lisette Suarez, now, Ithink there were real things
that are unexplained at thismoment in time.
Maybe in the future somebodywill explain them to me so that
they actually feel true.
(28:45):
And I think deja vu is a thingthat we don't understand.
I don't think it's just mybrain firing.
There are some times when I'mlike no, I'm doing this again.
I've been here before and I knowI've never, especially when I
drove one time to Orange County,which is a part of LA, of
California, and I drove down tosomebody I'd never known and it
(29:07):
was the first time I was meetingher and we had met online on a
meetup board or whatever, and wewere gonna meet for dinner.
And when I pulled into theparking lot to a restaurant I'd
never been to before, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my
god.
And I, when I saw her, I knewexactly who she was.
This is before.
We had webcams and whatever andall this stuff and I was like.
I was like I think we've metbefore she.
(29:28):
She was like what she's like?
You're a weirdo.
We became friends, but it'sjust one of those things like I
will never forget that and I waslike uh-uh, that happened
somehow in some other way andI'm remembering it, but it
didn't actually happen to me.
Now I don't believe in pastlives, so I don't want no one
coming at me, I don't.
But something in my past Aboutparallel universes, I don't.
(29:54):
Okay, can I tell you guys astory about Richard?
And then I don't know I causewe were talking you were talking
about a little bit before aboutspirits.
We're being funny, okay.
When my friend Richard passedaway in 2012, in April, we had
two memorial funeral servicesfor him, or whatever.
(30:15):
One was in Oregon and one wasin Vermont.
When I had to fly to the one inOregon, I was supposed to have
a big medical thing happen and Iwas not feeling well and also I
was depressed because my bestfriend died.
You know what I mean.
Like it was just a miserabletime.
I just had a bad time at thatfirst memorial.
I hated everybody who was there.
I hope none of them arelistening, but they probably are
(30:36):
.
It was just.
It was just one of those likethings where I was like, oh my
God, you're all lying.
You know what I mean.
Like people were getting up andsaying stuff.
I was like, cause I knew whathe would tell me.
You know what I mean.
And then these people, you knowlike people get up and start
crying, whatever.
And they cheated you like shitwhen you were alive I'm going
off on a tangent here, sorry.
So I remember on the way backon the plane I was like please,
(30:57):
god, please, please, please, letme have like just some peace
and quiet.
I wish I could have nobodysitting next to me, and you know
that does not happen.
You do not have people sittingnext to you, you always do.
I was like, please, just let mehave leg room some.
You know, I just want to bewhatever.
When I got on the plane, theseat next to me was broken.
(31:18):
Nobody could sit next to me.
And I swear to you, I was likeRichard, you did, I know you.
I mean, the whole time I waslike this, I was feeling better.
I knew that he did that.
Okay, the second memorial waslike two weeks later or
something, and so I had to go toVermont.
(31:39):
And when I went to Vermont, youknow, same thing you had to
meet with all these people,whatever and it was.
You know how it is at funeral.
That's why I'm not going tohave no funeral, because it's
all fake and blah, blah, blah,whatever.
I'm not going to have nofuneral because I'll fake and
blah, blah, blah, whatever.
I come back, I hated beingthere.
I come back and I get off theplane.
I come home and I was like Ineed to get some food.
So I was walking and I said youknow, I'm gonna get some coffee
(32:00):
.
I was walking to Pete's coffeeand I was walking across the
street.
I think I told you guys thisstory before.
I don't know, but I was walkingacross the street and all of a
sudden, as I'm walking, thelight changes and as I'm walking
with a bunch of other people, abird, a huge ass crow or
something, hit me on the headand knocked me to the ground.
(32:21):
Did I tell you guys that story?
I think I said no, knocked meon the ground.
People were like I mean, likesomebody got out of their car.
They were like are you okay?
I didn't know a bird that hitme, I didn't know.
But I fell to the ground andall these people got me up and I
was like no, I'm fine, I'm fine, what was it?
They were like it was a crow hityou in the head and I was like
(32:41):
fucking Richard, I hate herMotherfucker.
Have you ever heard of that?
No, never.
And I'm telling you and notthat I'm, I'm not going to sit
here and be like we had aconversation about a crow, but
I'm telling you I knew, I knewand I got up and I was okay and
(33:04):
I was laughing like I can'tbelieve you did that.
Okay, all right, I know you'refine.
I just knew in that moment hewas fine.
Okay, that's my story, I'msticking to it.
Rick Costa (33:14):
So I believe in him.
When my grandma died, so all mylife she lived with us.
So I always knew my grandma.
She had very long hair, whitekind of yellow, tinted a little
bit hair, very long.
I usually kept it in a bun,whatever, whatever, until she
went to bed.
So I've always known herlooking like that, slightly
(33:36):
overweight, a little bit plainershe's.
Oh.
So then I had a dream after shedied and I saw her like in
heaven, with jet, black,straight hair and very thin.
I said, mom, can you tell mewhat Vavó Vavó means?
Grandma in Portuguese lookedlike when she was young.
She's like what I said.
Carmen Lezeth (33:57):
Oh, my God Wow.
Rick Costa (34:00):
Is that like God saying like I got you, she's
here, don't worry about it.
She's in a dream, who knows?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (34:08):
Hmm, hmm, hmm, first thing I hate crows.
Rick Costa (34:18):
You know, they're really smart, they are really
intelligent I heard they're sosmart that it's illegal to have
one of the pet in a lot ofstates because people use train
them to do like steal no, no, wehave crows here and they like
wait on the ledge, like I'm like, hey, good morning.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (34:35):
I say hi to one of them because he's always
like hi, oh yeah if you're everlike mean to one of them like
they remember, and they willlike stalk you.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm nice tothem because I'm like, since I
was little, like you know, thegrandparents always tell you
don't look at a crow directly inthe eye, because they take your
(34:56):
soul or take your soulsomething like that, you know,
like something that has to dowith the dead, or something you
know what I mean.
Like so I just I don't likecrows or anything like that.
Carmen Lezeth (35:09):
Oh, I thought you were going to tell us a
story about you and crows.
No, oh, no, no.
Rick Costa (35:16):
I remember hearing stories of people going to
Africa and they were behindtechnologically put it that way
and people were taking picturesOf course they're going to take
pictures this tribe or whateverand when they realized what they
were doing, they were like no,no, no, no, no.
They were freaking out like no,when you do that, you're
stealing our soul, like theythought that you were stealing
their soul that day, that'sright that might just be because
(35:38):
I'm not understandingtechnology, though, too.
Carmen Lezeth (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah , I think like not to make this
about birds now, but I thinkit's so funny.
I think crows are so cool.
I love them.
That's so funny.
I think crows are so cool, Ilove them.
That's so interesting.
Yeah, maybe you've seen toomany horror films with bad crows
.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (35:55):
That's the Hitchcock when you think of the
birds?
Yeah, that's what the birdsyeah, yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (36:00):
But do you guys believe in spirits and ghosts
and you know?
Like that's kind of why I wastalking about the Richard thing.
Like you do absolutelyabsolutely like um, when,
actually, when juan's aunt hadpassed away, he had went to dr
(36:21):
for the service and she don'tknow what dr is.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (36:23):
It's dominican dominican republic,
sorry, um, and I guess she waslike kind of a prankster and
stuff like that.
So him and his cousin were uplate one night watching tv.
They're about to go to bed,they turn off the tv, they walk
out of the prankster and stufflike that.
So him and his cousin were uplate one night watching TV.
They're about to go to bed,they turn off the TV, they walk
out of the living room and allof a sudden the TV turns back on
and they're both like lookingat each other Like we did turn
(36:44):
off the TV, right, and they'relike, oh, we know that's you,
you know just messing with usand stuff like that, to kind of
give them, you know, some peaceor whatever yeah, I've never
been visited though by, like mymom or anything.
You know, I've never had and Idon't want that to happen, but I
think it would freak me out,but that's never happened to me,
(37:04):
I've never dreamt with my mom,but after she passed I only had
one situation happen like so inmy bedroom I had bunk beds, so I
would sleep on the bottom bunkand after she had passed it was
like a couple of days later Iwas sleeping.
But you know how like sometimesyou're in that middle awake
sleep state and I felt myself,my body, kind of come up off the
(37:29):
bed, felt a hug and then goback down and at the same time
as I'm going down, my eyes arestarting to open and I see
myself going back down.
So is my mom giving me a hug.
Okay, that's the only the onlything that's ever happened to me
(37:51):
.
Carmen Lezeth (37:51):
I didn't get that at all Watch tonight, and
I'm going to freak the fuck out.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (37:58):
I think it's going to be swinging.
Carmen Lezeth (38:03):
With my taser that Cynthia gave me.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (38:09):
Oh, my God.
Rick Costa (38:11):
There is a phenomenon too, where people,
maybe you guys, have experiencesI have not too many times, but
it's happened where it's it'sreally freaky, where you're
asleep and I think it's like youwere saying, like you're kind
of sort of in between.
Then all of a sudden you feellike you're falling and I'm like
falling, like you just fell outof an airplane and I, more than
once, have pulled a sheet offof my bed because that's how
(38:33):
real it felt.
Literally, she pulled outbecause I thought I was really
falling and then I woke up andwas like oh, what the heck, like
it was crazy.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (38:41):
That happened to me once, and I was
on the top bunk and I actuallyfell off the bed.
Carmen Lezeth (38:45):
No, Okay, that's just why I didn't get hurt, but
I just don't sleep that deeplyand I know like it bums me out,
like I think you have to besomeone who can actually sleep
deeply to have some of theseexperiences.
I just don't.
I'm so sad.
Don't you feel sorry for me?
(39:05):
No, I'm just kidding.
Rick Costa (39:07):
You've been not feeling so great lately.
Maybe you have been sleepingdeeper now, mm-hmm.
Carmen Lezeth (39:13):
No, you know, I… you might get a visit tonight.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (39:17):
Who knows?
No, I you know I might get avisit tonight, who knows no, I
don't want no ghosts coming tome.
Carmen Lezeth (39:25):
I want them to work on some stuff.
Put some money in my bankaccount, don't waste your time
coming to talk to me.
Rick Costa (39:31):
Find a way I remember as a kid and this was
before I got religious I saidlisten, God, I don't see no
angels, I don't see no demons.
I said if I see you, just don'tscare the crap out of me,
You're okay.
But I don't see nothing else.
Right, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (39:47):
I think, at heart I'm always a skeptic and
not, I mean, I do believe in thethings that have happened to me
.
But if I had to have aconversation with, like, a
scientist, I would absolutely belike, oh yeah, the crow was
whatever, their wing was hurt,and they just happened to fall
on me and you know what I mean,and it was just perfect timing
and it would have happenedanyway or something you know.
(40:09):
But I'd be like, yeah, no,there are patterns, I believe,
and there's a reason why ithappened the way it happened,
because I needed to know or feel, even if it's not true, that's
what I so that's the flip partof it.
I needed to understand thatRichard was okay.
So it doesn't matter why ithappened.
The effect it had on me waswhat needed to happen.
(40:31):
So I think that's also sometimeswhat we do too.
Is that like if we need to hearsomething from a psychic, we
hear it.
You know, know, like I remembergoing with a friend of mine to
a psychic and she, at this point, I'm like I ain't paying no
psychic, nothing, no more,unless it's like it's on venice
beach and it's like five dollars.
You know, just like whentourists come or whatever.
Yeah, right, you know.
But I went with her and Iremember and she was like I just
(40:54):
want to want to see what theythink about him.
She was having issues in hermarriage and I sat there and I
was like, oh my God, likeeverything she was saying.
I was like, oh my God, rollingmy eyes, whatever, because my
friend Tanya was like, uh-huh,I'm like, oh my God, I couldn't
fool you with that $200.
(41:14):
You know what I mean, yeah, soyeah.
Rick Costa (41:18):
I got an interesting story.
So there was this guy and itwas at a church and he was a guy
from Africa and he was aprophet.
Carmen Lezeth (41:27):
Notice the air quotes for the people that are
listening.
What makes somebody a prophet?
Rick Costa (41:32):
Well, there's some churches that believe that God
will speak directly and give youinformation.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So I went because a lot ofpeople from my church were gone
and now again.
Mind you, before I becamereligious quote, I was into all
that stuff, but then, after Isaid I really said this like
seriously, like God, please,from now on, if anybody tries to
(41:52):
read me, just don't let ithappen.
Just let them just not get itright at all.
So this guy's in church andhe's literally going to people
saying how many kids there have,and they have how, what their
ages are, their names?
He could tell you socialsecurity number.
He's like I'm gonna say thewhole thing.
But I was like wait a minute,this is my problem.
(42:16):
Problem.
Why would God do this?
Like you're just making it.
You're making it look like lookhow powerful I am and look how
in tune I am.
Like this is not glorifying God, this is glorifying you.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (42:30):
And a lot of that information you can find
on Google nowadays.
Carmen Lezeth (42:34):
Well, it was before Google, but remember
there was that guy.
Oh, I'm sorry, rick, will you?
Rick Costa (42:38):
finish.
Yeah, yeah, he's going aroundand everybody's like wow, wow,
wow.
And I'm like I don't know, thisis too much, this is too much.
And then he came to me.
I was like oh, here we go,brother, stand up.
Okay, sure, do you have a wife?
No, do you have a wife?
No, do you have a girlfriend?
No, do you live with a woman?
(42:59):
No, I wasn't.
That time I was living upstairs.
Carmen Lezeth (43:02):
Living with a woman?
Rick Costa (43:02):
No, and he kept asking me all these things and
everything was wrong.
I was like thank you God.
I told you to God, bless youbrother.
I walked away, I moved on.
Wait a minute.
He was 100% with everybody, butthen with this guy, what
happened?
I don't know what happened.
Y'all stupid.
Carmen Lezeth (43:20):
No, that's mean.
I mean I know what you'resaying, but again, I'm not for
the scammers.
Remember, there was a guy onOprah I forget what his name was
.
It was a famous guy who was themedium guy.
He would walk in the audience,you know who I'm talking about.
He would walk in the audienceand he'd be like walk in the
audience, you know who I'mtalking about.
He would walk in the audienceand he'd be like oh, somebody's
sister wants me to talk to them.
(43:40):
Did someone recently lose asister?
Like you're in a room Right,like I could do it, like I can
figure it out.
Rick Costa (43:51):
Somebody's mother started with the letter M I know
Right.
Carmen Lezeth (43:57):
Like, if I can remember his name.
I know you guys remember him orwhatever, but it doesn't matter
, he, you know, they ended upfinding out he was a fraud or
whatever big surprise, you know.
But I think part of what peopledon't understand is a lot of
the stuff that people weregetting from these people were
things they were finding outabout them not just on the
internet, but in your trash also, or or in your mail or whatever
(44:17):
.
Like he would have all theseexamples of people who are like,
oh my God, he knew all this,this and this, and you could
tell that there was somebody whodid a lot of research on him,
you know.
And then in the next breath, um, it's also the way in which and
I'm a good reader of people'sfacial expressions and the way
in which you know everybody hasa tick, just naturally, because
of the way I was raised, I don'tlike, but you know what I'm
(44:40):
saying Like and, and I think, alot of people.
It's the same reason why peoplecan do lie detector tests, like
police can figure out certainpeople, whether you're wearing
that thing or not, if you'relying or not, just based on the
way they can read your faces.
I'm not saying all policebefore, but you know what I'm
saying those people that do allthat forensic crazy stuff.
That's part of it, you know.
(45:01):
But I also think sometimes wewant to believe, and we need to
believe because it fuels us tofeel better about whatever it is
, and so that's why part of medoesn't want to admonish, like
some of the people you had inthe audience.
You know what I mean, didn'twant that, and so you rejected
it, you know, and that's awesome.
(45:21):
But maybe other people wantedto believe that their cousin who
died in a car accident wastalking to the medium right.
I don't know.
I don't know if there's anyharm in it.
Maybe there is.
I don't know what you guysthink it's like with you and the
crow.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (45:33):
The crow could have, just you know,
fallen, but it made you feelbetter, it made you feel like I
totally believe it.
Carmen Lezeth (45:41):
And I also believe the thing in the
airplane, like see, I don'tbelieve in coincidences, that
one is really hard because I'mlike, come on, come on, I was
hoping.
I was hoping for a quiet, likenext door person or whatever you
know, like to have my own seator be in first class.
You know, I didn't get in firstclass though, so I don't know.
(46:01):
But yeah, I think.
I think that's probably part ofit too.
If we need it, we believe in it, and then it becomes real and
it does help us.
I think it's when peoplemanipulate that right.
That it becomes a problem.
And when people are just takinguh that it becomes a problem.
And when people are just takingmoney from you and telling you
you have to buy a crystalbecause then the evil spirit
(46:22):
will keep, you will stay awayfrom you yeah I don't get all
the.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (46:27):
I don't get those crystal things, I just
don't I don't know.
Rick Costa (46:32):
To me it's also kind of dumb.
It it's like okay, let's sayit's for real, it's a spirit.
Can you take a knife and cutthe spirit?
You can't do nothing to it.
What does it care aboutphysical things?
What's a physical thing goingto do against the spirit?
I?
Carmen Lezeth (46:49):
don't know what you mean, though.
Are you talking about?
Like somebody trying to sellyou crystal?
Rick Costa (46:53):
For example, we watch movies about vampires and,
like you, put up the cross thevampire.
For example, we watch moviesabout vampires and, like you,
put up the cross the vampire.
Right, so we have that in ourhead.
So some people because theythink, oh, I think a spirit came
to me or whatever evil spirit,so put crosses everywhere or
wear a necklace.
I'm like I ain't doing nothing.
What is a physical, what is aspirit that you can't touch and
do nothing to it?
What does it care aboutanything in the physical realm?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (47:16):
But is it possible to make that person
feel better?
Carmen Lezeth (47:19):
Yeah, can it be symbolic, Can it be something
that people are doing Cause itbe like it just feels right?
Yeah.
Rick Costa (47:27):
It might make you feel better, but I don't think
that thing is like oh no, youput them across, it doesn't care
, it's a physical thing, it hasno effect on that.
Carmen Lezeth (47:34):
But what if you believe that?
Okay, so, and I'm going to saysomething because I keep
thinking about because you areChristian and you practice it, I
mean you do on your show,drinking of the wine and eating
of the I was going to say butter, oh, my God.
Rick Costa (47:54):
I'm so tired I'm on popcorn now.
Carmen Lezeth (47:58):
No, I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just I'm so
hot, popular now.
I don't mean any disrespect,I'm just I'm so hot right now,
like you know what I'm saying,like it doesn't really do
anything, but it does dosomething for you and people
believe what they believe, right, I mean, it means something.
So I hear you, I'm not, I'mjust being.
I'll give you an example.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (48:19):
Go ahead.
So you know, we were bothbrought up Catholic, even though
we're not practicing now.
So at my front door I have arosary hanging by the door.
I have one in my bedroom doorand I take one every time I
travel.
It's actually my rosary from myfirst communion that I take
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with me.
So to me, it makes me feelbetter, it makes me have my
faith.
You feel safe, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (48:46):
The rosary though.
Huh, that's interesting.
Yeah, I carry a quarter with me.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (48:56):
Just a random one, or does it have a
special?
Carmen Lezeth (49:00):
year, but it just cracks me up like I'm like
the whole rabbit's foot thing.
Remember people used to haverabbits I don't believe in luck,
but that's a whole otherconversation.
Do you guys believe in luck?
The rabbit wasn't that lucky.
No, he wasn't Exactly Right.
But do you guys believe in luck?
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See, I don't believe in luck.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (49:23):
Nah not really.
Carmen Lezeth (49:25):
Yeah, I don't believe in luck, because if I
have to believe in luck, I haveto believe in bad luck.
I just don't think it worksthat way.
I don't think some people getthe cloud over them all the time
and some people get thesunshine.
You know, I just don't believein that kind of like.
Why?
Why, especially if you're agood and decent human being who
tries hard every day, no matterwhat mistakes are that you made,
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why would the universe functionthat way?
Whatever you believe, you knowwhat I mean.
Like I actually think mostpeople are good and most people
have the same shot as anyoneelse to have joy and happiness.
You know, I have to believethat because if not, I'd be very
miserable.
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You know what I mean.
Good point, wow.
So that was kind of a fun,interesting conversation.
Thank you so much.
You guys are awesome.
You guys always go with it Likewe do.
What Are you making fun of me?
No, you are too.
Oh my God, you know what it is.
I can throw out any subject andyou guys are always willing to
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talk about it, and that's what Ilove about our little
neighborhood show.
It's like I always want to makesure we have something eclectic
and different and fun andinformative and maybe we learn
something you know and now I'velearned that.
Cynthia walks around with rosarybeads.
I had no idea.
When I travel, I do, I lovethat, and you guys know that I
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travel with a specific quarterin my pocket.
Yeah, I also have a dreamweaver.
I have a dream weaver that Ihave in my car and uh, yeah,
which is interesting, becausesomeone gave it to me.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (51:02):
Uh, barry mansfield, you mean a dream
catcher.
Carmen Lezeth (51:04):
Oh yeah, what did I call it dream weaver?
Isn't that a dream weaver, isit?
What's it called a dream catch?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (51:14):
Yeah, it's supposed to catch bad dreams.
Carmen Lezeth (51:18):
I have my doings in my car and it's a circle
with netting in it and feathersDream catcher.
Rick Costa (51:24):
It's American, you know what.
Carmen Lezeth (51:26):
For 30 years I've been calling it a dream
weaver, and that's how it'sgoing to stay.
Anyway, everyone, thank you somuch for hanging out with us
today.
It's always so much fun whenyou guys come and visit.
Please make sure that you comeand visit us again on Friday
nights at 6 pm Pacific, 9 pmEastern.
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We're always here on Sundays aswell, and remember, at the end
of the day, it really is allabout the joy.
Thanks everyone.
Bye, dream weaver.
Oh my God, about the joy.
Everyone.
Bye, dream weaver.
Oh my god.
Thanks for stopping by.
All about the joy.
Be better and stay beautifulfolks.
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Have a sweet day.
Hi everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
The private lounge In the houseis Cynthia Lopez and Rick Costa
.
I'm sorry, cynthia Lopez Ruiz.
It's okay, it's okay, I know,and Rick Costa's in the house,
how are you guys doing Doinggood?
I know, and Rick Costa's in thehouse, how are you guys doing
Doing good, doing good.
(00:27):
So we just want to give a shoutout to Mario and Alma.
We miss them.
We look forward to having themback when they're able to return
, but they are still part of theneighborhood, so I know people
have missed them, so I just wantto throw that out there.
Yeah, so I wanted to talk alittle bit today just about a
glitch in the matrix, and I knowthis is kind of weird, but I
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know you guys are on TikTok andfor those of you who are not on
TikTok, it doesn't matter, I'msure you've seen this.
The other night I haven't beenfeeling well, so I've been kind
of up at different hours orwhatever, and I did the doom
scroll, right, the TikTok doomscroll and I came across this
TikToker and he was like stop,stop, stop, don't, don't, don't,
(01:10):
keep scrolling.
If this video found you, thenit was meant to be, and he goes
down this whole thing.
He's like this is what's goingto happen, and I can feel it
because of the runes and thethis and the tarot and the
whatever I was in it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (01:24):
Let me tell you I was like yes, oh my God,
yes, I was like she wasdefinitely tired.
Carmen Lezeth (01:33):
But he went on for like the whole 10 minutes
reading cards and I don't evenknow what runes are, but I
learned those stones or whatever.
And he's going on and on and Iwas like you know what?
This is why I was sick.
I needed to see.
This is the message theuniverse sends me, a message, so
I go to scroll to the next one,and it's yet another person.
Rick Costa (01:58):
The algorithm she likes to Right.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:01):
We're going to throw a wall at her.
Carmen Lezeth (02:04):
But she was talking about astrology.
She's like are you a Capricorn?
I'm like I'm a Capricorn.
Let me tell you, it took meabout another 60 seconds to
realize like the algorithm is somessing with me how much of
that night curl did you take?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:26):
The algorithm is so messing with me.
How much?
Carmen Lezeth (02:28):
of that night, curl did you take.
But it got me thinking aboutall of these different things,
superstitions and astrology andI just wanted to know how you
guys felt about it.
Do you guys believe in certainthings?
Do you have any feelings aboutit?
Do you guys believe in certainthings?
Do you have any feelings aboutit?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (02:48):
and, rick, especially with you regarding
religion, how it mightintertwine or not or whatever so
with me, like I think we hadthis conversation before carmen
with um astrology, like yourcapricorn on pisces and like all
the characteristics and thingslike that, and I I'm so for
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astrology, like I, I used toread it almost every day.
I don't anymore, but, um, everynow and then I'll read it and
I'm like, oh yeah, I'm likethat's happened already this
week.
Oh, this is what I have, so doyou mean a horoscope, you mean?
theoscope.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah andstuff like that and comparing
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people's characteristics withhow they really are, and things
like that.
Sometimes I do believe in it.
I've kind of been iffy with itlately, really, yeah, but before
I was so into it every dayreading my horse.
Carmen Lezeth (03:49):
Well, when I was like 13 I used to be like, oh
my god, I know he loves me.
Then I'd be like we totallymatch.
It wouldn't even matter likewhich one I look at I don't even
know astrology, right but Iwould be like, oh my god, he
totally loves me.
It was so weird.
Rick Costa (04:09):
But go ahead yeah, as far as astrology, that was,
uh, pre-christianity jesus stufffor me.
I was so into that stuffanything oh my gosh, because of
the abuse and everything I wasgoing through with mostly dad, I
just felt like I needed someanswers, some power, some way
(04:32):
for some kind of control in mylife, like something, because
I'm going nuts and I was allinto that.
And oh my gosh, esp, psychicastrology, all that occult stuff
, peace, psychic astrology, allthat occult stuff.
I was like and in my mind I'mlike god's cool with this god's,
because my mother did raise me,like you know, to believe in
god, very catholic ouija board.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (04:52):
I had a ouija board, believe it or not
that's one thing I will nevermess with the we messing with
the spirits I was crazy when Iwas.
Rick Costa (05:02):
I was a kid.
I was so crazy.
I brought it to school, tryingto get people to do it with me,
and they were like I ain'tmessing with that.
Carmen Lezeth (05:10):
I don't believe in it, but I ain't messing with
it.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (05:13):
I ain't crazy.
Carmen Lezeth (05:15):
You don't want to tempt it?
I ain't tempted that shit.
Rick Costa (05:19):
I was into all that stuff, but now it's like there's
a traumatic story.
But anyway, I look athoroscopes today and I'm like
y'all, I was into all that stuff, but now it's like I mean,
there's a traumatic story.
But anyway, I look athoroscopes today and I'm like
y'all, this is so generic, youcan literally take any of them
and apply them to you, but someof them get all excited.
My horoscope said be carefularound water and I almost
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slipped in the bathtub today.
Oh my God, that was so accurate.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (05:44):
Come on, come on, come on Stop, you might
slip because you don't have amat in your bathtub.
Rick Costa (05:51):
Or you don't clean that nasty thing.
Carmen Lezeth (05:53):
I just want everyone who's listening to the
podcast who are into astrology.
You can send all of your emailsand complaints to Rick Costa
and Cynthia Ruiz Lopez.
Do not send it to me.
You know who else is a bigastrology person.
You guys would be so surprised.
Rick Costa (06:15):
Andrea, andrea Really.
Carmen Lezeth (06:16):
Yeah, Because she's like teetering on atheism.
I think she's more agnostic,and not to keep talking about
her, but her birthday is comingup, so we'll give a shout out to
her on her birthday.
But yeah, I always found itfascinating, but it's what
you're talking about.
Rick is like we always want tobe able to try to explain things
.
I will say I've never believed,even when I was a teenager and
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doing the whole Louvre thing andcraziness thing and craziness.
The problem with astrology forme is more of a weird scientific
thing in that in order toreally understand the stars and
what they may mean, you have tounderstand where all the stars
in the universe are.
And we don't right, we onlyknow the ones that are in our
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orbit, in our whatever.
So I always thought that waslogically.
It didn't make any sense thatthat's what it could mean.
But you know that's probablygetting too into the weeds.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (07:13):
So I was.
I've always been a skeptic whenit comes to psychics and I went
to a psychic once and it waswith my friend at the time and
me and Juan had just starteddating.
I didn't say anything to thiswoman about Juan, about anything
, and she automatically knew Iwas going to be dating this guy.
(07:35):
I'm dating this guy.
He does have children, but he'sgoing to be the one that I'm
going to be with for the rest ofmy life.
And yeah which I thought wasvery weird, but that was the
only time I ever saw a psychic.
Carmen Lezeth (07:51):
I've gone in and seen psychics too, and when I
left I was like, oh my God, howdid they know?
And I'll say this because youknow I write in journals all the
time, right?
So the reason why I get rid ofmy journals is so many reasons.
So every year on my birthday Iget rid of all the journals I've
written all year and peoplealways like why you have such
material.
I'm like because I know what'sin there.
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And one of the things I rememberspecifically is I went to the
psychic and you pay your $50 orwhatever it is, and you sit down
, they do the whole reading withyour hand and whatever, and
they do the tarot cards and thewhole thing and they have the
whole look, the whole look withthe beads and the whatever.
And she was so on point.
(08:33):
And then she was like andyou're going to have three kids
and he loves you and you'regoing to be very wealthy.
And she just went and I waslike I believe all of this, she
had all this stuff beforehand,right?
You know what I mean.
And of course, none of thathappened.
By the way, I don't havechildren and I'm not extremely
wealthy, nor did I marry someonewealthy Complete opposite,
(08:56):
actually.
But I think they get us and I'mnot saying all of them are
scams, but I'm going to say thatthey do get us because some of
this stuff is still generalized.
Yeah, most women your age whenyou went in that day are
probably dating somebody or wantto talk and then, like you, do
a face like this, like you know,you know you make a thing or
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whatever.
And I'm not saying all of them.
I do believe there are peopleout there who have that sixth
sense, though I'm not going tomess with that.
I do think there are people outthere.
But what I believe, too, isthat they're not making money
off of it, probably.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (09:33):
Yeah, I used to actually work with
someone who was kind of like amedium and I never asked her to
do any type of reading oranything.
Carmen Lezeth (09:43):
I don't know what a medium is, as opposed to
a psychic.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (09:46):
They can speak to the other side.
Oh, my God, they see deadpeople.
Okay, they see them or theyhear messages from them.
Carmen Lezeth (09:58):
This is like.
Rick Costa (09:58):
Whoopi Goldberg in the movie Ghost.
Carmen Lezeth (10:03):
Understood.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (10:11):
So I never asked her to do any type of
reading.
She said to me she's like I cando a reading for you and I said
no, no, and she's like, but youdon't want to know about your
mom.
And she came out and said thatand I said no, I said I don't.
I said thank you, but I don'twant to know anything like.
I don't leave it as is, youknow so yeah, that's freaky.
Carmen Lezeth (10:30):
Go ahead, rick no, I.
Rick Costa (10:33):
What was funny about the Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost
was originally she was fake,like she did that for a living
and she was totally fake.
But then, you know, a real oneshowed up and she kicked in.
Carmen Lezeth (10:48):
I guess we miss him oh he's a great dancer, not
to go off on a tangent, butevery time I think of ghost or
any, I just I loved patrickswayze.
He was amazing.
Did I say patrick stewart?
No, I said patrick, you wereabout to, I was about to, right.
I want to hear what Rick had tosay about suspicion and
religion.
If you don't mind touching onit Like kind of, you know the
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things we do, knock on wood andyou know, throw salt on your
whatever, whatever, that thingis Over the left shoulder.
Look at him like and crack yourmother's back.
Rick Costa (11:32):
It's all superstition.
I think I don't put any stockin any of that stuff.
To be honest with you, andwhere my parents come from, boy
they yeah, they had a lot ofthat stuff like.
One thing was, if you'repregnant, if the woman's face
this, this sounds so stupidbecomes ugly, it's a girl,
because the girl is taking thebeauty from the mother.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (11:50):
I've heard that so many times.
What Wow.
Carmen Lezeth (11:54):
Wow, that's so wrong.
And then what would happen whenthe kid came out ugly anyways?
Rick Costa (12:01):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (12:04):
She wasn't that pretty.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (12:06):
You blame it on the dad.
Carmen Lezeth (12:09):
I wonder how some of these things begin,
right, they're so weird.
So I will share with yousomething that I thought was
fascinating regarding the ideaof deja vu or things that are
predictive, right?
So deja vu in the sciencecommunity and I didn't read up
on all of this because there wasso much they, of course, don't
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believe in it.
They think some of it is justsometimes the electrical parts
of our brain are misfiring, orit could have something to do
with dream sleeping Like wedream about things we don't know
where they come from, but thenwe experience something similar
in life.
I thought that was fascinating,but one of the real-life kind
of eerie coincidences, becausethat's another one, right, do we
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believe in coincidences?
And I wanted to come up withsomething contemporary.
So, do you guys know the showthe Simpsons?
It was the animated series.
Oh, it's still on.
Rick Costa (13:05):
I'm not trying to pretend everybody is it like the
longest running show ever?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (13:11):
30 something years now, but what
again?
Carmen Lezeth (13:13):
it was a pleasure to have your dumb asses
on the show.
Why are you messing with me?
I don't know if everyone youknow what's so funny.
I don't watch.
Watch the Simpsons.
Rick Costa (13:23):
I don't either, but we know about it.
We have a lovely conversation.
All these predictions of who'sgoing to be the president, and
this, that and the other Well,let me tell you.
Carmen Lezeth (13:35):
So this is the thing about the Simpsons.
That's kind of weird.
Is it coincidence or is itsomething else?
They predicted well, theydidn't predict.
But in a 2000 episode theypredicted.
Well, they didn't predict.
But in a 2000 episode, uh, thesimpsons joked about trump
becoming president, and 16 yearslater it happened.
So ricky knew that one.
Smart watches in 1995, the showfeatured a wristwatch that
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could make phone calls, yearsbefore smart watches became a
reality.
I didn't know that.
Disney buying fox in.
In 1998, the Simpsons showed asign that said 20th Century Fox,
a division of Walt Disney Co.
Which actually happened in 2017.
And another one the Higgs bosonequation.
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In 1998, Homer wrote anequation on a chalkboard that
turned out to be shockinglyclose to the actual Higgs-Boson
particle discovery in 2012.
I probably should have lookedup what that Higgs-Boson thingy
is, because it sounds important,but I don't know what it is.
Well, and then I was looking atReddit.
(14:39):
In 2013, a Reddit user posted ajoke prediction that the
Chicago Cubs would win the WorldSeries in 2016, even though
they hadn't won in 108 years.
And three years later the Cubsactually did win.
So you know, are those thingscoincidences?
Do you believe in coincidencesor is there something else going
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on there?
It could be coincidences.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:03):
It could be coincidence.
Rick Costa (15:05):
It could be, educated guesses.
I remember reading a comic thischaracter came from the future
and then they were showing hermemories.
In her memories she sees andnow this is way before 9-11,
they show her seeing her pastand they're showing the Twin
Towers on fire Yo, that's great,but is that coincidence or is
(15:30):
there something to it?
Carmen Lezeth (15:31):
I mean, who knows I mean.
Well, do you personally believein coincidences, Cynthia?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (15:42):
I think everything happens for a reason.
Yeah, I don't think somethingjust happened, just because I
think there is a reason.
Something happened Now.
It's like they always say thatbutterfly effect you know, if
you go in the past and youchange one little thing, the
whole future has now altered.
So I think it's kind ofsomething like that.
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You know where, if it's meantto happen, it's going to happen
regardless.
I don't think it's just acoincidence.
It's meant to be, it's meant tohappen.
Carmen Lezeth (16:13):
Oh, but wait.
But now we're touching on fate,I mean so wait a minute.
So I just got totally confused.
I was totally with you untilyou said if it's meant to happen
, it's meant to happen.
So are you saying that it'spredestined, or yeah I think so
so okay, this is interesting.
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Rick, do you believe the samething, that things are like
things happen for a reason, soit's kind of predestined, like
there's no such thing ascoincidences?
Rick Costa (16:46):
I think life is very random, very, very random.
I don't think there's.
So, speaking from the christianside of things, a lot of them
believe god's in control ofeverything and I'm like
absolutely, not, absolutely, Ido not believe that.
100 do not believe that.
So like god's responsible forplanes falling out of the sky,
god's responsible for peoplegetting killed in cars Like
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that's stupid.
Carmen Lezeth (17:06):
Yeah, no.
Rick Costa (17:09):
And there's a verse that says it rains on the just
and the unjust.
It's just random.
It doesn't matter how good youare, how bad you are.
I just did a broadcast.
Why do bad things happen togood people, bad things happen
to bad people, good thingshappen to bad people?
Like it's just all random.
Now, I do believe that god canuse a circumstance, try to like
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push you towards a certain way,but I don't think he's like
controlling everything.
I don't believe that at all.
But coincidences can happenlike oh, that's the way.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (17:38):
The way I see it is like I think that
obviously god knows what ourlives are going to be, but it's
our decisions on how we're goingto get there.
You know what I mean?
Like I don't think it's acoincidence because we are.
He already knows what's goingto happen to us, but we have
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different directions on whichway to go, so we're the ones
making those decisions.
So, like I said, I don't thinkit's a coincidence.
I just think if it's meant tohappen, it's going to happen.
It's just the way that wechoose it to happen.
That make sense.
Carmen Lezeth (18:17):
Yeah, I just completely disagree.
Obviously, when I'm being quiet, it's because I'm trying to let
you speak.
When I'm being quiet, it'sbecause I'm trying to let you
speak.
Rick Costa (18:28):
The only thing I do believe 100% is that we all have
free will.
100% you can do whatever youwant.
You know it doesn't matter.
If God wants you to do whatever, you can still say no.
Carmen Lezeth (18:38):
But then that kind of goes against the idea of
it being predestined.
That, like Cynthia, the way inwhich I was interpreting that
you were saying is, like, nomatter what, god already has a
plan for you and so you're goingto get to that goal.
But then Rick just said but youcan choose to do whatever you
want, so maybe you don't get tothat goal, right, like you can't
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have it both ways.
You can't have free will andyet also have a predestined
determination, right.
So I don't believe incoincidences at all either, but
not because of the reasons thatyou guys are talking about, I
believe, because I'm not tryingto make this a battle of
religions, all right, because weall know that I'm kind of more
atheist or agnostic nowadays,but I've always been not very
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religious anyways.
The reason why I don't believein coincidences is because I
actually believe that there arepatterns in all of the chaos,
even if we don't understand thepatterns.
The chaos, like it's kind oflike what you were talking about
, the butterfly effect, and I'mnot sure that's the correct
interpretation, because I don'tknow how to explain it either as
a scientist, but that's mysimple way of understanding it
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as well too.
If a butterfly flaps his wings.
You know, in Hawaii it rains orwhatever.
There's a windstorm in Floridaor something you know, kind of
logical thing.
And for me that's what Ibelieve.
I believe there are so manydifferent equations and choices
(20:05):
we can make every single day andall of those choices have
consequences and thoseconsequences affect other people
and other people make choicesand then, you know, it goes down
and down and down.
But I think about somethingreally simple, the simplest of
things, and not to get all youknow personal or whatever.
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Yeah right, but you know like Ithink about, had my mother
lived, even if she had livedanother year, how dramatically
that might have changed my life.
Or if she had died the firsttime that they thought she was
(20:47):
going to pass away, and I wasmuch younger, those small, tiny
details just change your entirelife.
What if I decided after collegenot to come to California,
instead went back to Boston?
All of those are choices thatchange the trajectory of who I
(21:07):
became and who I am today, butthose were all within my ability
.
I mean not my mom dying orwhatever, but I'm just saying,
like you know what I mean whenhe sees those twists and turns.
So I don't think we werecreated in a way to have a
predestined outcome and I'vetalked to Rick about this and we
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agree to disagree but I thinkof God, or whatever entity you
believe in, as more of anarchitect.
Like when you see a house or abuilding, you know that an
architect built it, but thearchitect isn't there.
The architect isn't sittingthere waiting for you to call on
him to come fix this faucet orwhatever.
You know what I mean.
Or redesign something, but youknow that something built to
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this building, but he's nolonger there, he's gone, and so
the building exists, doing whatthe building is going to do, and
that's kind of I know it's kindof really simple, weird way to
think about it, but that's how Ithink of God.
And so whatever happens to thatbuilding, to the people in that
building, anybody living inthat building, whatever, has
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nothing to do with the architectanymore.
The artist created the art andwalked away, and now it's upon
us to deal with it and handle itand enjoy it, and you know what
I mean.
So, but I think the magnificenceof it is when you look at and
for me it's about the science,and I don't even understand it
that well, but I love learningabout it.
Kind of the idea of chaostheory, which is that idea that
there were all these patterns,even if we don't understand it.
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Does that make sense?
Yeah, I always think about it.
Like when I walk intosomebody's room and it's
completely messy and dirty andthey have stuff thrown all over
the place and it just looks sochaotic, right, we all freak out
.
The truth is, once you startcleaning up that room, you can
see oh, she went to a party thatday.
Oh, this is when she wasplaying with.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (23:00):
Whatever you know what I mean.
There's a story behind eachthing.
Carmen Lezeth (23:02):
There's a story and you can start to see the
patterns in the room of thechaos, and that's kind of how I
see what our lives are like.
Rick Costa (23:11):
The whole messy room thing.
Let's say you have twodifferent people and one is
everything's clean, organizedand in its place, but you've got
the other one.
Everything seems to be all overthe place.
But it's so interesting thatthe person that has everything
all over the place, they knowexactly where everything is.
They never lose it.
They know exactly whereeverything is.
Carmen Lezeth (23:27):
I think that's a facade, but okay, go ahead.
That's like a grandmama's talethat everyone believes.
But go ahead, I'll let youfinish?
Rick Costa (23:34):
no, because I'm like that.
I mean, I'm not super messy,but I, it might seem, to
somebody else.
Oh lord, have mercy, how do youfind anything?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (23:41):
I know exactly where everything is wait
, are you more of it's messy oris it just because you have a
lot of stuff and you know whereeverything is?
Because there's two differentthings.
I mean, being messy is justlike everything thrown
everywhere, you really don'tknow where everything is, and
another one is just having a lotof stuff.
It may look messy, but it'sreally not.
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It's just a little clutteredand you know where everything is
.
Carmen Lezeth (24:06):
Since you're talking, about the difference
between a hoarder.
I got you, I got you, I got you.
Rick Costa (24:15):
Yeah, borderline hoarder.
I almost said border Hoarder.
You're not a hoarder, no but Ihave a lot of stuff.
I have a lot of stuff and Iknow where it all is.
Carmen Lezeth (24:25):
Yeah, and I'm the complete opposite.
I am extremely yeah, I shouldhave let you finish.
Minimalist I am extremely yeah,I should have let you finish.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (24:30):
Minimalist.
Carmen Lezeth (24:30):
I was trying to see what you were going to say
about organized people.
What were you going to say,rick, let's rewind, go ahead.
What were you saying?
Maybe I should kick you off.
You're about to disorganizepeople.
Rick Costa (24:41):
No, it's just funny that people that I've been to
their house and they're you knoweverything's so pristine and
immaculate but all the time,like Lord, I don't know where I
put my keys.
Lord, I don't know where I putthis.
Lord, I don't know where I putthat.
I'm like how You're soorganized in my mind.
Carmen Lezeth (25:02):
Right, yeah, I'm extremely to a T, very
organized.
I can't I think we've talkedabout this before I can't
function in chaos.
I don't like chaos.
I don't mind chaos if Iunderstand it, If I understand
what's happening or whatever,I'm okay with it.
But yeah, I don't like anythingthat's out of order and I don't
think I make my guests feeluncomfortable.
But I've been told that I don'tknow.
I'm not saying Cynthia, but youknow people feel like they have
to be neat around me because myhouse is.
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So I don't know, did you feeluncomfortable when you came to
my house?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (25:27):
No, no, because I'm kind of the same way
.
I like things in a certain area, like Juan, and the kids always
make fun of me.
Because when the kids look atus they would always try to move
some of my stuff to see if Iwould notice.
And I would walk into the houseand I'm like, why is that there
?
Why is that there?
And they make fun of me all thetime, so I get it.
Carmen Lezeth (25:48):
Yeah, I think those are all just stylistic
things too.
I mean, rick, in a lot of waysI agree with you.
I think some people areextremely messy and know where
everything is Like, especiallywhen I'm working in offices.
Oh my God, like in one of theoffices I used to work in, I was
like okay, I'm no longer cominginto this office, I'm working
in the conference room because Ican't.
But if I tried to move anythingon her desk she would freak out
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because she couldn't findanything.
But it was like just everythingwas thrown.
That's how it looked.
Thrown, you know, you couldn'tfind a stapler, you couldn't
find the, you couldn't findanything.
But she would move like threepiles and be like here it is.
You know what I mean Like, butI, but I can't function that way
at all.
Rick Costa (26:29):
I'm one that I like everything in its place.
This is where this goes, andthis is where it goes forever.
Carmen Lezeth (26:36):
So you just have a lot of stuff, yeah you're
organized.
Rick Costa (26:40):
But now the crazy part is, I live with somebody
who, unfortunately, has dementia, so it's complete opposite.
Carmen Lezeth (26:47):
I know, but that's different, I know.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (26:51):
And.
Rick Costa (26:51):
I have to be calm and just roll with it.
But the inside of me goes.
Carmen Lezeth (26:56):
Okay, so you're worse than I am because I don't
get all that befuddled oversomebody.
Rick Costa (27:00):
I just squash it down.
Carmen Lezeth (27:03):
Like when I used to have my goddaughter over
because she was little.
You know, and kids are going tobe kids, they're going to do
what they're going to do, andI'd be like, oh my god, stop.
You know, like I'd be likeshe's four carmen, let her be,
she's just playing.
I have to bite my tongue,though, because I'm like, okay,
it's not a big deal, she's justplaying and the paints are
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everywhere, yeah, and I I knowit's different for you, you, but
I'm saying it's not likepurposely at all.
Rick Costa (27:32):
No, no, no, Not even stylistically that is just-.
It's not about on purpose orblame, it's just that I still
have to constantly deal with it,every single day.
Carmen Lezeth (27:42):
So you have to clean up after her.
Is that what it is?
Oh my God.
Okay, yeah, I'm going to godown a different oh wait, let's
change the subject Sorry.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (27:53):
You see the smoke coming out of his ears.
Carmen Lezeth (27:57):
I'm not like, oh no.
Rick Costa (27:59):
You've been on Deja Vu before.
We didn't really talk aboutthat.
I definitely had that where I'mlike I'll be sitting on my desk
doing something and all of asudden, wait a minute.
I feel like I've had this exactmoment before.
And then I try to think and I'moh yeah, I think hard.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, this,this is exactly the same thing
that happened then.
But it's like, but it just theway.
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It just hits you in a wave likewhoa, what the hell?
Carmen Lezeth (28:23):
a little bit I disagree with the scientist a
bit on this.
You you know, and since I amCarmen Suarez, you know what I
mean.
Like Dr Lisette Suarez, now, Ithink there were real things
that are unexplained at thismoment in time.
Maybe in the future somebodywill explain them to me so that
they actually feel true.
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And I think deja vu is a thingthat we don't understand.
I don't think it's just mybrain firing.
There are some times when I'mlike no, I'm doing this again.
I've been here before and I knowI've never, especially when I
drove one time to Orange County,which is a part of LA, of
California, and I drove down tosomebody I'd never known and it
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was the first time I was meetingher and we had met online on a
meetup board or whatever, and wewere gonna meet for dinner.
And when I pulled into theparking lot to a restaurant I'd
never been to before, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my
god.
And I, when I saw her, I knewexactly who she was.
This is before.
We had webcams and whatever andall this stuff and I was like.
I was like I think we've metbefore she.
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She was like what she's like?
You're a weirdo.
We became friends, but it'sjust one of those things like I
will never forget that and I waslike uh-uh, that happened
somehow in some other way andI'm remembering it, but it
didn't actually happen to me.
Now I don't believe in pastlives, so I don't want no one
coming at me, I don't.
But something in my past Aboutparallel universes, I don't.
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Okay, can I tell you guys astory about Richard?
And then I don't know I causewe were talking you were talking
about a little bit before aboutspirits.
We're being funny, okay.
When my friend Richard passedaway in 2012, in April, we had
two memorial funeral servicesfor him, or whatever.
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One was in Oregon and one wasin Vermont.
When I had to fly to the one inOregon, I was supposed to have
a big medical thing happen and Iwas not feeling well and also I
was depressed because my bestfriend died.
You know what I mean.
Like it was just a miserabletime.
I just had a bad time at thatfirst memorial.
I hated everybody who was there.
I hope none of them arelistening, but they probably are
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.
It was just.
It was just one of those likethings where I was like, oh my
God, you're all lying.
You know what I mean.
Like people were getting up andsaying stuff.
I was like, cause I knew whathe would tell me.
You know what I mean.
And then these people, you knowlike people get up and start
crying, whatever.
And they cheated you like shitwhen you were alive I'm going
off on a tangent here, sorry.
So I remember on the way backon the plane I was like please,
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god, please, please, please, letme have like just some peace
and quiet.
I wish I could have nobodysitting next to me, and you know
that does not happen.
You do not have people sittingnext to you, you always do.
I was like, please, just let mehave leg room some.
You know, I just want to bewhatever.
When I got on the plane, theseat next to me was broken.
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Nobody could sit next to me.
And I swear to you, I was likeRichard, you did, I know you.
I mean, the whole time I waslike this, I was feeling better.
I knew that he did that.
Okay, the second memorial waslike two weeks later or
something, and so I had to go toVermont.
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And when I went to Vermont, youknow, same thing you had to
meet with all these people,whatever and it was.
You know how it is at funeral.
That's why I'm not going tohave no funeral, because it's
all fake and blah, blah, blah,whatever.
I'm not going to have nofuneral because I'll fake and
blah, blah, blah, whatever.
I come back, I hated beingthere.
I come back and I get off theplane.
I come home and I was like Ineed to get some food.
So I was walking and I said youknow, I'm gonna get some coffee
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.
I was walking to Pete's coffeeand I was walking across the
street.
I think I told you guys thisstory before.
I don't know, but I was walkingacross the street and all of a
sudden, as I'm walking, thelight changes and as I'm walking
with a bunch of other people, abird, a huge ass crow or
something, hit me on the headand knocked me to the ground.
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Did I tell you guys that story?
I think I said no, knocked meon the ground.
People were like I mean, likesomebody got out of their car.
They were like are you okay?
I didn't know a bird that hitme, I didn't know.
But I fell to the ground andall these people got me up and I
was like no, I'm fine, I'm fine, what was it?
They were like it was a crow hityou in the head and I was like
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fucking Richard, I hate herMotherfucker.
Have you ever heard of that?
No, never.
And I'm telling you and notthat I'm, I'm not going to sit
here and be like we had aconversation about a crow, but
I'm telling you I knew, I knewand I got up and I was okay and
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I was laughing like I can'tbelieve you did that.
Okay, all right, I know you'refine.
I just knew in that moment hewas fine.
Okay, that's my story, I'msticking to it.
Rick Costa (33:14):
So I believe in him.
When my grandma died, so all mylife she lived with us.
So I always knew my grandma.
She had very long hair, whitekind of yellow, tinted a little
bit hair, very long.
I usually kept it in a bun,whatever, whatever, until she
went to bed.
So I've always known herlooking like that, slightly
(33:36):
overweight, a little bit plainershe's.
Oh.
So then I had a dream after shedied and I saw her like in
heaven, with jet, black,straight hair and very thin.
I said, mom, can you tell mewhat Vavó Vavó means?
Grandma in Portuguese lookedlike when she was young.
She's like what I said.
Carmen Lezeth (33:57):
Oh, my God Wow.
Rick Costa (34:00):
Is that like God saying like I got you, she's
here, don't worry about it.
She's in a dream, who knows?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (34:08):
Hmm, hmm, hmm, first thing I hate crows.
Rick Costa (34:18):
You know, they're really smart, they are really
intelligent I heard they're sosmart that it's illegal to have
one of the pet in a lot ofstates because people use train
them to do like steal no, no, wehave crows here and they like
wait on the ledge, like I'm like, hey, good morning.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (34:35):
I say hi to one of them because he's always
like hi, oh yeah if you're everlike mean to one of them like
they remember, and they willlike stalk you.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm nice tothem because I'm like, since I
was little, like you know, thegrandparents always tell you
don't look at a crow directly inthe eye, because they take your
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soul or take your soulsomething like that, you know,
like something that has to dowith the dead, or something you
know what I mean.
Like so I just I don't likecrows or anything like that.
Carmen Lezeth (35:09):
Oh, I thought you were going to tell us a
story about you and crows.
No, oh, no, no.
Rick Costa (35:16):
I remember hearing stories of people going to
Africa and they were behindtechnologically put it that way
and people were taking picturesOf course they're going to take
pictures this tribe or whateverand when they realized what they
were doing, they were like no,no, no, no, no.
They were freaking out like no,when you do that, you're
stealing our soul, like theythought that you were stealing
their soul that day, that'sright that might just be because
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I'm not understandingtechnology, though, too.
Carmen Lezeth (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah , I think like not to make this
about birds now, but I thinkit's so funny.
I think crows are so cool.
I love them.
That's so funny.
I think crows are so cool, Ilove them.
That's so interesting.
Yeah, maybe you've seen toomany horror films with bad crows
.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (35:55):
That's the Hitchcock when you think of the
birds?
Yeah, that's what the birdsyeah, yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (36:00):
But do you guys believe in spirits and ghosts
and you know?
Like that's kind of why I wastalking about the Richard thing.
Like you do absolutelyabsolutely like um, when,
actually, when juan's aunt hadpassed away, he had went to dr
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for the service and she don'tknow what dr is.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (36:23):
It's dominican dominican republic,
sorry, um, and I guess she waslike kind of a prankster and
stuff like that.
So him and his cousin were uplate one night watching tv.
They're about to go to bed,they turn off the tv, they walk
out of the prankster and stufflike that.
So him and his cousin were uplate one night watching TV.
They're about to go to bed,they turn off the TV, they walk
out of the living room and allof a sudden the TV turns back on
and they're both like lookingat each other Like we did turn
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off the TV, right, and they'relike, oh, we know that's you,
you know just messing with usand stuff like that, to kind of
give them, you know, some peaceor whatever yeah, I've never
been visited though by, like mymom or anything.
You know, I've never had and Idon't want that to happen, but I
think it would freak me out,but that's never happened to me,
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I've never dreamt with my mom,but after she passed I only had
one situation happen like so inmy bedroom I had bunk beds, so I
would sleep on the bottom bunkand after she had passed it was
like a couple of days later Iwas sleeping.
But you know how like sometimesyou're in that middle awake
sleep state and I felt myself,my body, kind of come up off the
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bed, felt a hug and then goback down and at the same time
as I'm going down, my eyes arestarting to open and I see
myself going back down.
So is my mom giving me a hug.
Okay, that's the only the onlything that's ever happened to me
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.
Carmen Lezeth (37:51):
I didn't get that at all Watch tonight, and
I'm going to freak the fuck out.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (37:58):
I think it's going to be swinging.
Carmen Lezeth (38:03):
With my taser that Cynthia gave me.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (38:09):
Oh, my God.
Rick Costa (38:11):
There is a phenomenon too, where people,
maybe you guys, have experiencesI have not too many times, but
it's happened where it's it'sreally freaky, where you're
asleep and I think it's like youwere saying, like you're kind
of sort of in between.
Then all of a sudden you feellike you're falling and I'm like
falling, like you just fell outof an airplane and I, more than
once, have pulled a sheet offof my bed because that's how
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real it felt.
Literally, she pulled outbecause I thought I was really
falling and then I woke up andwas like oh, what the heck, like
it was crazy.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (38:41):
That happened to me once, and I was
on the top bunk and I actuallyfell off the bed.
Carmen Lezeth (38:45):
No, Okay, that's just why I didn't get hurt, but
I just don't sleep that deeplyand I know like it bums me out,
like I think you have to besomeone who can actually sleep
deeply to have some of theseexperiences.
I just don't.
I'm so sad.
Don't you feel sorry for me?
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No, I'm just kidding.
Rick Costa (39:07):
You've been not feeling so great lately.
Maybe you have been sleepingdeeper now, mm-hmm.
Carmen Lezeth (39:13):
No, you know, I… you might get a visit tonight.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (39:17):
Who knows?
No, I you know I might get avisit tonight, who knows no, I
don't want no ghosts coming tome.
Carmen Lezeth (39:25):
I want them to work on some stuff.
Put some money in my bankaccount, don't waste your time
coming to talk to me.
Rick Costa (39:31):
Find a way I remember as a kid and this was
before I got religious I saidlisten, God, I don't see no
angels, I don't see no demons.
I said if I see you, just don'tscare the crap out of me,
You're okay.
But I don't see nothing else.
Right, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (39:47):
I think, at heart I'm always a skeptic and
not, I mean, I do believe in thethings that have happened to me
.
But if I had to have aconversation with, like, a
scientist, I would absolutely belike, oh yeah, the crow was
whatever, their wing was hurt,and they just happened to fall
on me and you know what I mean,and it was just perfect timing
and it would have happenedanyway or something you know.
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But I'd be like, yeah, no,there are patterns, I believe,
and there's a reason why ithappened the way it happened,
because I needed to know or feel, even if it's not true, that's
what I so that's the flip partof it.
I needed to understand thatRichard was okay.
So it doesn't matter why ithappened.
The effect it had on me waswhat needed to happen.
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So I think that's also sometimeswhat we do too.
Is that like if we need to hearsomething from a psychic, we
hear it.
You know, know, like I remembergoing with a friend of mine to
a psychic and she, at this point, I'm like I ain't paying no
psychic, nothing, no more,unless it's like it's on venice
beach and it's like five dollars.
You know, just like whentourists come or whatever.
Yeah, right, you know.
But I went with her and Iremember and she was like I just
(40:54):
want to want to see what theythink about him.
She was having issues in hermarriage and I sat there and I
was like, oh my God, likeeverything she was saying.
I was like, oh my God, rollingmy eyes, whatever, because my
friend Tanya was like, uh-huh,I'm like, oh my God, I couldn't
fool you with that $200.
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You know what I mean, yeah, soyeah.
Rick Costa (41:18):
I got an interesting story.
So there was this guy and itwas at a church and he was a guy
from Africa and he was aprophet.
Carmen Lezeth (41:27):
Notice the air quotes for the people that are
listening.
What makes somebody a prophet?
Rick Costa (41:32):
Well, there's some churches that believe that God
will speak directly and give youinformation.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So I went because a lot ofpeople from my church were gone
and now again.
Mind you, before I becamereligious quote, I was into all
that stuff, but then, after Isaid I really said this like
seriously, like God, please,from now on, if anybody tries to
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read me, just don't let ithappen.
Just let them just not get itright at all.
So this guy's in church andhe's literally going to people
saying how many kids there have,and they have how, what their
ages are, their names?
He could tell you socialsecurity number.
He's like I'm gonna say thewhole thing.
But I was like wait a minute,this is my problem.
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Problem.
Why would God do this?
Like you're just making it.
You're making it look like lookhow powerful I am and look how
in tune I am.
Like this is not glorifying God, this is glorifying you.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (42:30):
And a lot of that information you can find
on Google nowadays.
Carmen Lezeth (42:34):
Well, it was before Google, but remember
there was that guy.
Oh, I'm sorry, rick, will you?
Rick Costa (42:38):
finish.
Yeah, yeah, he's going aroundand everybody's like wow, wow,
wow.
And I'm like I don't know, thisis too much, this is too much.
And then he came to me.
I was like oh, here we go,brother, stand up.
Okay, sure, do you have a wife?
No, do you have a wife?
No, do you have a girlfriend?
No, do you live with a woman?
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No, I wasn't.
That time I was living upstairs.
Carmen Lezeth (43:02):
Living with a woman?
Rick Costa (43:02):
No, and he kept asking me all these things and
everything was wrong.
I was like thank you God.
I told you to God, bless youbrother.
I walked away, I moved on.
Wait a minute.
He was 100% with everybody, butthen with this guy, what
happened?
I don't know what happened.
Y'all stupid.
Carmen Lezeth (43:20):
No, that's mean.
I mean I know what you'resaying, but again, I'm not for
the scammers.
Remember, there was a guy onOprah I forget what his name was
.
It was a famous guy who was themedium guy.
He would walk in the audience,you know who I'm talking about.
He would walk in the audienceand he'd be like walk in the
audience, you know who I'mtalking about.
He would walk in the audienceand he'd be like oh, somebody's
sister wants me to talk to them.
(43:40):
Did someone recently lose asister?
Like you're in a room Right,like I could do it, like I can
figure it out.
Rick Costa (43:51):
Somebody's mother started with the letter M I know
Right.
Carmen Lezeth (43:57):
Like, if I can remember his name.
I know you guys remember him orwhatever, but it doesn't matter
, he, you know, they ended upfinding out he was a fraud or
whatever big surprise, you know.
But I think part of what peopledon't understand is a lot of
the stuff that people weregetting from these people were
things they were finding outabout them not just on the
internet, but in your trash also, or or in your mail or whatever
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.
Like he would have all theseexamples of people who are like,
oh my God, he knew all this,this and this, and you could
tell that there was somebody whodid a lot of research on him,
you know.
And then in the next breath, um, it's also the way in which and
I'm a good reader of people'sfacial expressions and the way
in which you know everybody hasa tick, just naturally, because
of the way I was raised, I don'tlike, but you know what I'm
(44:40):
saying Like and, and I think, alot of people.
It's the same reason why peoplecan do lie detector tests, like
police can figure out certainpeople, whether you're wearing
that thing or not, if you'relying or not, just based on the
way they can read your faces.
I'm not saying all policebefore, but you know what I'm
saying those people that do allthat forensic crazy stuff.
That's part of it, you know.
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But I also think sometimes wewant to believe, and we need to
believe because it fuels us tofeel better about whatever it is
, and so that's why part of medoesn't want to admonish, like
some of the people you had inthe audience.
You know what I mean, didn'twant that, and so you rejected
it, you know, and that's awesome.
(45:21):
But maybe other people wantedto believe that their cousin who
died in a car accident wastalking to the medium right.
I don't know.
I don't know if there's anyharm in it.
Maybe there is.
I don't know what you guysthink it's like with you and the
crow.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (45:33):
The crow could have, just you know,
fallen, but it made you feelbetter, it made you feel like I
totally believe it.
Carmen Lezeth (45:41):
And I also believe the thing in the
airplane, like see, I don'tbelieve in coincidences, that
one is really hard because I'mlike, come on, come on, I was
hoping.
I was hoping for a quiet, likenext door person or whatever you
know, like to have my own seator be in first class.
You know, I didn't get in firstclass though, so I don't know.
(46:01):
But yeah, I think.
I think that's probably part ofit too.
If we need it, we believe in it, and then it becomes real and
it does help us.
I think it's when peoplemanipulate that right.
That it becomes a problem.
And when people are just takinguh that it becomes a problem.
And when people are just takingmoney from you and telling you
you have to buy a crystalbecause then the evil spirit
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will keep, you will stay awayfrom you yeah I don't get all
the.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (46:27):
I don't get those crystal things, I just
don't I don't know.
Rick Costa (46:32):
To me it's also kind of dumb.
It it's like okay, let's sayit's for real, it's a spirit.
Can you take a knife and cutthe spirit?
You can't do nothing to it.
What does it care aboutphysical things?
What's a physical thing goingto do against the spirit?
I?
Carmen Lezeth (46:49):
don't know what you mean, though.
Are you talking about?
Like somebody trying to sellyou crystal?
Rick Costa (46:53):
For example, we watch movies about vampires and,
like you, put up the cross thevampire.
For example, we watch moviesabout vampires and, like you,
put up the cross the vampire.
Right, so we have that in ourhead.
So some people because theythink, oh, I think a spirit came
to me or whatever evil spirit,so put crosses everywhere or
wear a necklace.
I'm like I ain't doing nothing.
What is a physical, what is aspirit that you can't touch and
do nothing to it?
What does it care aboutanything in the physical realm?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (47:16):
But is it possible to make that person
feel better?
Carmen Lezeth (47:19):
Yeah, can it be symbolic, Can it be something
that people are doing Cause itbe like it just feels right?
Yeah.
Rick Costa (47:27):
It might make you feel better, but I don't think
that thing is like oh no, youput them across, it doesn't care
, it's a physical thing, it hasno effect on that.
Carmen Lezeth (47:34):
But what if you believe that?
Okay, so, and I'm going to saysomething because I keep
thinking about because you areChristian and you practice it, I
mean you do on your show,drinking of the wine and eating
of the I was going to say butter, oh, my God.
Rick Costa (47:54):
I'm so tired I'm on popcorn now.
Carmen Lezeth (47:58):
No, I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just I'm so
hot, popular now.
I don't mean any disrespect,I'm just I'm so hot right now,
like you know what I'm saying,like it doesn't really do
anything, but it does dosomething for you and people
believe what they believe, right, I mean, it means something.
So I hear you, I'm not, I'mjust being.
I'll give you an example.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (48:19):
Go ahead.
So you know, we were bothbrought up Catholic, even though
we're not practicing now.
So at my front door I have arosary hanging by the door.
I have one in my bedroom doorand I take one every time I
travel.
It's actually my rosary from myfirst communion that I take
(48:40):
with me.
So to me, it makes me feelbetter, it makes me have my
faith.
You feel safe, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (48:46):
The rosary though.
Huh, that's interesting.
Yeah, I carry a quarter with me.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (48:56):
Just a random one, or does it have a
special?
Carmen Lezeth (49:00):
year, but it just cracks me up like I'm like
the whole rabbit's foot thing.
Remember people used to haverabbits I don't believe in luck,
but that's a whole otherconversation.
Do you guys believe in luck?
The rabbit wasn't that lucky.
No, he wasn't Exactly Right.
But do you guys believe in luck?
(49:21):
See, I don't believe in luck.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (49:23):
Nah not really.
Carmen Lezeth (49:25):
Yeah, I don't believe in luck, because if I
have to believe in luck, I haveto believe in bad luck.
I just don't think it worksthat way.
I don't think some people getthe cloud over them all the time
and some people get thesunshine.
You know, I just don't believein that kind of like.
Why?
Why, especially if you're agood and decent human being who
tries hard every day, no matterwhat mistakes are that you made,
(49:48):
why would the universe functionthat way?
Whatever you believe, you knowwhat I mean.
Like I actually think mostpeople are good and most people
have the same shot as anyoneelse to have joy and happiness.
You know, I have to believethat because if not, I'd be very
miserable.
(50:08):
You know what I mean.
Good point, wow.
So that was kind of a fun,interesting conversation.
Thank you so much.
You guys are awesome.
You guys always go with it Likewe do.
What Are you making fun of me?
No, you are too.
Oh my God, you know what it is.
I can throw out any subject andyou guys are always willing to
(50:30):
talk about it, and that's what Ilove about our little
neighborhood show.
It's like I always want to makesure we have something eclectic
and different and fun andinformative and maybe we learn
something you know and now I'velearned that.
Cynthia walks around with rosarybeads.
I had no idea.
When I travel, I do, I lovethat, and you guys know that I
(50:53):
travel with a specific quarterin my pocket.
Yeah, I also have a dreamweaver.
I have a dream weaver that Ihave in my car and uh, yeah,
which is interesting, becausesomeone gave it to me.
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (51:02):
Uh, barry mansfield, you mean a dream
catcher.
Carmen Lezeth (51:04):
Oh yeah, what did I call it dream weaver?
Isn't that a dream weaver, isit?
What's it called a dream catch?
Cynthia Ruiz Lopez (51:14):
Yeah, it's supposed to catch bad dreams.
Carmen Lezeth (51:18):
I have my doings in my car and it's a circle
with netting in it and feathersDream catcher.
Rick Costa (51:24):
It's American, you know what.
Carmen Lezeth (51:26):
For 30 years I've been calling it a dream
weaver, and that's how it'sgoing to stay.
Anyway, everyone, thank you somuch for hanging out with us
today.
It's always so much fun whenyou guys come and visit.
Please make sure that you comeand visit us again on Friday
nights at 6 pm Pacific, 9 pmEastern.
(51:47):
We're always here on Sundays aswell, and remember, at the end
of the day, it really is allabout the joy.
Thanks everyone.
Bye, dream weaver.
Oh my God, about the joy.
Everyone.
Bye, dream weaver.
Oh my god.
Thanks for stopping by.
All about the joy.
Be better and stay beautifulfolks.
(52:09):
Have a sweet day.
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