December 4, 2025 • 54 mins
Part 1 - Politics US
A cabinet official leaks sensitive strike details on a personal Signal account, a suspected war crime at sea ignites bipartisan scrutiny, and Trump drops 158 posts to flood the news cycle. We connect the dots between bad judgment, broken incentives, and a culture that rewards noise over integrity—then pivot to how ordinary people can still choose clarity, community, and joy.
We unpack what the Pentagon’s inspector general actually found, why firing on survivors violates both law and conscience, and how institutional timidity lets reckless decisions stand. From Congress to corporate suites, too many stakeholders run a personal cost-benefit analysis and call it leadership. We talk candidly about due process, soft power, and the growing distance between American ideals and American behavior that allies can’t ignore.
Part 2 - Social Media Australia Doings
The conversation shifts to Australia’s under-16 social media ban: bold signal or blunt tool? We weigh the mental health upside against enforcement pitfalls like age verification, privacy risks, and teen workarounds. What works better is intentional digital life - parent-guided norms, critical thinking, and open talk about algorithms, creator incentives, and AI fakery. For today’s kids, the phone is the new street corner because the real one is empty; rebuilding offline freedom matters as much as any app rule.
Part 3 - Hallmark Update with Andrea
To close, we check in on small comforts with Hallmark and holiday movies - why cozy tropes help our nervous systems, what makes a good one (chemistry, clean writing, a near-kiss well-earned), and where the genre needs to grow. Authentic diversity isn’t a checkbox; it’s the texture that keeps stories honest!
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Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Okay.
All right, go ahead.
Proceed with your bitching.
That's how we're startingtoday.
I wasn't even bitching.
I was being bitchy.
Okay, you were being bitchy.
(00:20):
I just want to make sure we gotit full on in the recording.
You know what I mean?
Hey, your hair looks goodtoday.
Andrea (00:27):
I cut and colored it myself over the weekend.
Carmen Lezeth (00:30):
What do you mean you cut and colored it yourself?
Andrea (00:32):
I mean you locked yourself to the hairdresser, or
no, I did it myself.
Really?
Yeah.
But honestly, I I love the ladywho does my hair.
Um she's an artist.
She's really expensive, and Ijust could not swing it.
And it was time, I hadn't Ihadn't got my hair cut since
April.
Carmen Lezeth (00:50):
It's so much money.
It's you know what to me, Imean, it's not even the money
part.
Yes, it's the money part, butit's the time.
Yeah, it is I don't want to bethere for four hours, dude.
I'm there for six, seven hours.
Yeah, no, that's crazy.
So for me, it's yes, it's themoney, and that's why I've
(01:10):
stopped doing it too.
I I told you, well, I I don'tknow.
I I guess it was the other uhit was uh Rick and Cynthia we
were talking about, you know,because I've gotten all the
blonde in my hair or whatever,but my hairdresser also gave me
coloring and the solution to domyself the roots so that I don't
have to come in all the time.
Because I think he was annoyedthat I was like, oh, why do I
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have to be here all the time?
I totally admit it.
I really think he was like, lookit, we don't want you here
either, bitch.
Like, I make enough money onthe bring your colour, get the
fuck out.
I totally admit that.
But um well, cool.
Well, yeah, so we're gonna talkabout some boring stuff first.
It's not even boring stuff, butlet me just give some updates
(01:57):
on what's going on today.
The big story today is aboutPete Hegzith, right?
Right now, Pete Hegzith.
I'm gonna do quotes, uh,Secretary of Defense, which they
have fucking tried to renameSecretary of War, right?
The War Department.
I mean, this tells youeverything you need to know
(02:18):
about where our country isgoing, where we go from being a
defense department to being onethat's kind of pushing war.
I, anyways, okay, I'm sorry.
I'm getting off topic.
So the first thing is SignalGate.
I'm just gonna read thesummary.
Um, the Pentagon's inspectorgeneral found that Defense
Secretary Pete Heggseth, everytime I I can only see him on Fox
(02:43):
News.
I'm sorry.
I can just, you know what Imean?
Like the incompetence of thistalk show host is anyway.
Okay, again, sorry.
Violated policy by using theencrypted messaging app signal
on his personal phone to sharesensitive details about a
planned U.S.
strike in Yemen.
While the report concluded, hetechnically had authority to
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declassify the information.
It warned that his actionsrisked exposing operational
plans and endangering troops ifintercepted.
The Pentagon insists noclassified material was leaked,
but the episode has raisedserious questions about judgment
and security.
Okay, that's just number one.
We don't have to talk abouteach individual thing.
I'm just gonna give you thesecond one.
(03:24):
Right, but they just found theyAndrea, you know our government
has to spend lots of money andtax dollars to do a whole
conversation, get a committeetogether so the Pentagon's
Inspector General found, right?
I mean, there was a wholeinvestigation, so that's what
the big topic is.
I mean, how dare you?
Andrea (03:46):
If you were a regular guy in any of the militaries,
you would have been fired andprobably in jail within a week.
Carmen Lezeth (03:54):
Or if you're working at any company, if you
were part of any industrywhatsoever, you would have been
out.
It wouldn't have even beenquestioned.
But this is what thisgovernment, our government, is
now.
This is what we do.
Uh boat killings, because weare the murder of war.
Hegzeth is also under fire forallegedly ordering a second
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strike on a suspected drugtrafficking boat in the
Caribbean after the initialattack left survivors.
Reports claim he directedforces to kill everybody, which
resulted in all 11 people aboardbeing killed.
Critics say this couldconstitute a war crime under
critics say it is.
Okay, wait a minute.
You know, let me let me justback it.
(04:41):
Let me just read the news,okay?
Critics say this couldconstitute a war crime under
international law while Heggsethdenies giving such an order and
calls the reporting inaccurate.
The incident has triggeredbipartisan scrutiny and
comparisons to past militaryabuses.
Um, that's gonna be our firsttopic.
(05:02):
And for me, I just want to saythis part.
I am shooketh at the lack ofour own common sense stuffage,
right?
Like all these committees, allthese allegedly, no, it's so
obvious to me what he did, butI'll let you speak.
Andrea (05:18):
There is I don't know what it's called, but there is a
in the you know military codeof conduct, there is a specific
rule for this actual veryparticular incident that you
cannot, you know, on boats,people who are survivors, you
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cannot fire on them, kill them,and so this very particular
thing that they have done isactually outlined as a thing you
cannot do by our own military.
Carmen Lezeth (05:49):
Okay, I also want to stress you are absolutely
right.
That is absolutely true.
Basically, if somebody survivesthe initial bombing and they're
clinging to the edge of theboat, you are supposed to try to
save them.
Okay, or let them be orsomething.
But if we just back up andfirst say, um, we're also not at
war.
Right.
I mean, the fact that we'rejust sending you know what, this
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is what we've become.
And what scares me is thatTrump supporters are like, they
know that there are drugs on theboat.
The majority of drugs do notcome from Venezuela, like that's
the other part of this.
It's all bullshit.
Andrea (06:30):
Even if there were drugs or people or arms on the boat,
you are not supposed to blow itup.
Carmen Lezeth (06:41):
But you can take them in, right?
You bring them in and you givethem due process, right?
And and and but what's happenednow is that especially like
Trump supporters or people onthe right or whatever, extreme
people have just decided thatkilling people is the way we do
things.
Like we don't want to give dueprocess to anyone except
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Americans, and even then you'rekind of subjective because if
they're not white Americans, wewe find other reasons to not
want to give those people dueprocess.
In the constitution, dueprocess is for everyone.
It's not about being a citizenor of a color or of a gender, or
it's and that's what used tomake our country great was that
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we had actual morals.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
So the last thing I'm gonna sayabout Pete Hegset, and we can
move on to our next incompetenthuman being, um, is that I
really can't get over howincompetent he is.
(07:47):
I mean, I know the entire allof them are, but he's
extraordinarily incompetent.
And the fact that he is in thatposition, it makes me think of
you remember Dan Quayle and howmuch fun we used to make of Dan
Quayle.
Andrea (08:02):
Yeah, good old Danny.
And now I feel bad becauseGlory Days, potato.
I know.
Um But I mean, you know, again,we'd go back to Dan Quayle
today if we could, right?
100% bring him on.
Carmen Lezeth (08:16):
Just so weird.
Andrea (08:17):
Yeah, I mean, uh it like it has to be demoralizing for a
lot of people to have thisperson leading the defense
department.
Um, on the other hand, um, andI've talked about this before, I
find it really well, ofdemoralizing for me and and
shocking that you know, ourbrave military, our thank you
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for your service, our bestmilitary in the world.
Not one of these motherfuckerscan stand up to him.
The one guy, the one guy whodid he resign.
He resigned, right?
And I understand he's not gonnago out and do like the press
tour and say, like, they askedme to do this, and you know, all
of those kinds of things, butlike where is the courage?
(09:03):
Uh it ain't nowhere in thisfucking room.
I can tell you not this room,but like collective United
States military.
Uh like I just don't knowwhat's going on there.
I don't get it.
Carmen Lezeth (09:14):
But I think that's a lot of Congress, this
administration.
There's just a weird thinghappening where people are just
corporations.
I mean, I don't know why anyonestill has an iPhone or anything
to do with Apple.
Like, and I know, I know it'snot like easy to throw away a
$2,000 phone or whatever, butit's like I I don't even own an
(09:34):
iPhone.
And I was like, what is TimCook doing?
Why is he capitulating andgiving him whatever the fuck
that thing was he gave him?
Like, why?
And giving them all he gave himlike a glass Apple thing.
I don't know what it was.
I was just like, Steve Jobs isrolling in his grave.
And then I'm like, but this isthe country we are now, which is
(09:55):
so small.
We're such a small, patheticcountry now.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not saying we're wewe're still huge.
Andrea (10:04):
I'm saying our morals, our core, like who we used to
believe we were is there are alot of everyday people who are
standing up in many ways allover the country.
I think our leadership justabsolutely sucks.
Carmen Lezeth (10:21):
I know, but without power, it's really hard.
I I agree with you.
There are a lot of peoplestanding up and doing the right
things.
And but you know, like I keepholding on to people like Gavin
Newsom or the guy from Chicago.
What's his name?
I always want to say spritzer,but that's not right.
What is it?
Spritzker.
Spritzer.
You know, like I mean, we needwe need leadership, we need
(10:43):
people out there, but I I don'tknow that we have it in our
current crop right now.
Andrea (10:49):
And I, you know, like that's been my thing for many
years.
You cannot be hero worshipingany politician, right?
Because it's it's I don't know,not to sound like so, so, so
left wing, but like it's someonelike you.
Go ahead.
It's money versus not moneyed.
Yeah, that's really what itcomes down to.
(11:10):
Like, yeah, you're right.
Let me just try to protect thestatus quo as much as possible.
Let me give the gold bars tothe president so that I can
still have my you know,acquisition that I want to have,
or you know, whatever it is.
Meanwhile, everybody else islike, don't fucking kidnap my
neighbors, and also I can'tafford a steak.
Carmen Lezeth (11:32):
You know what I mean?
Like or done you're you'reabsolutely right.
And I wish a lot more people,especially people who continue
at this point, people whocontinue to support Trump.
I'm just we I've been here fora long time, but I'm just like,
I still don't get it.
But people who are still inthat camp, it is not about you.
(11:53):
He does not care.
That entire administration,rich people do not care about
poor people.
And when we're talking aboutrich people, like just because
you think you're making $400,000a year, that's not rich, bitch.
Yeah, people are so confused.
This is about really the topone or two percent of people,
(12:14):
and uh it's just extraordinaryto sit back and watch.
Andrea (12:18):
I still think, going back to your point, like there's
a lot of people who considerthemselves rich and they're a
part of it and they don't wanttheir taxes raised, and
da-da-da-da-da.
And it's like, like you said,it's it's not you.
You will be thrown under thebus at any moment, easily, you
know, and and you're not as richas you think you are, I guess.
Carmen Lezeth (12:41):
No, if you're not in that one or two percent, and
you know, and then I thinkabout all the people that we
quote unquote admire or thinkhighly of, and they're also not
saying anything because whywould they, right?
Like we're talking about theOprah's or the Warren Buffett's
or the Mark uh Cubans, althoughhe does say some stuff, or
Barack Obama, or whatever it is,all the you can we can name so
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many people that actually havepower who dabble, dabble a
little bit, say a little bit,and then they just move on and
live their lives because theydon't have to deal with this
drama every day.
The the drama of Pete Hegzethis a great example.
Like, is that affecting mepersonally today?
No, but it is affecting mepersonally when I call and talk
(13:26):
to my friend Scott in Spain, orI'm talking to someone in
Australia.
You know what I mean?
Like when I, or if we travel,which you know I ain't traveling
till this administration's donebecause I don't want to get
deported, even though you knowwhat I'm saying, because I'm
brown.
Um, it is affecting us globallybecause people have lost all
respect for the United States.
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In the midst of trying to haveall of this respect forced upon
people by power and strength andby bravado, we've lost all
credibility.
Andrea (13:58):
I can't imagine why any country would ever trust us
again.
Like really can't.
Yeah.
You know, we had Trump won, andthen Biden came in, and you
could tell there was like alifting, and people, you know,
and he was, you know, foreignrelations guy for a long time,
so there was definitely animprovement.
And then to go and re-electTrump, it's like okay, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (14:24):
Okay, so let's talk about Donald Donald Trump.
Um, just for a second, and thenwe'll get to Joy.
Yay! Um, on December 2nd, DonaldTrump flooded Truth Social with
158 posts in a single day.
And it was like at two in themorning or something, like one
in the morning.
And then usually high volume,even for him.
(14:46):
The content was a mix ofreposts, personal commentary,
and attacks on politicalopponents, with recurring themes
around defending hisadministration, criticizing
ongoing investigations, andamplifying uh supportive voices.
While much of it lookedscattered, ranging from memes to
policy claims, the overallthrust was deliberate to
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dominate the news cycle,overwhelm critics, and energize
his base by sheer volume.
Analysts noted the timing wastied to mounting scrutiny over
Pete Hegzett's controversies,uh, suggesting Trump was using
the barrage both as adistraction and as a show of
force.
In short, it wasn't random, itwas a calculated flood meant to
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control the narrative.
I personally think he justlosing his mind too.
You know what I mean?
But well, there's that forsure.
Losing it.
No.
So you didn't know about that,right?
Because you were traveling orsomething.
Andrea (15:43):
I didn't know about that.
I just haven't been checked in.
I wasn't traveling, but uhlike, yeah, I didn't know
anything about it.
Carmen Lezeth (15:49):
Yeah.
No, so it was just weird.
I I found it, you know, likeagain, I'm going back to this
thing where I think um it's noteven that the bar is low.
The bar does not exist.
It does not exist with theTrump administration.
Uh, he's been falling asleeplike on camera, like, not even
like just a little knot, likeliterally falling asleep.
(16:10):
And again, you know, we we wegot rid of Biden for this,
right?
Biden was deranged and losingit in an old man and blah blah
blah.
And Trump is doing the exactsame thing, and even worse, in
my opinion, and consistentlydoing it and acting like a crazy
man and you know, nothing.
It's just it's fine.
(16:32):
It's always a pass.
Andrea (16:34):
I don't, I uh I don't get it.
I don't get it, I don't get it.
I it's very do you remember thestory?
I had these books when I waslittle, they were like Disney
books, and they had all ofthese, like you know, Princess
and the P and you know, and theone that I think of, I'm sure,
is the Emperor Has No Clothes,right?
And so, and it was like a tigeror something, was the Emperor,
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and he would walk down and hedidn't have his robe and
everything.
And I just remember beingreally little and being like,
Why is nobody saying anything?
And there's like one little kidwho points at him, like the
Emperor has no clothes, and it'sjust like we all know, we all
see what's happening with ourown eyes, and there's this very,
(17:17):
I think, deliberate,intentional attempt to try to
force us to believe we are notseeing what we are seeing, it's
very like 1984, you know.
Um, and I don't reallyunderstand talking about the
book, yes, yeah.
The book, Orwell.
Carmen Lezeth (17:37):
Not not the time, not the year, actually, the
book.
Andrea (17:40):
Well, I could talk about that too, but I just want to be
clear because people will notknow that it's 1984, the book,
but um yeah, I just it it I Idon't understand what the
reasoning is behind it, youknow, like the media likes to
have Trump around, like that's agreat story.
(18:00):
We could talk about thatforever.
Like we they lived off of thatwith Biden for the whole fucking
summer.
We we could live off of thatfor a little while, just like
tell the truth.
I don't like it's so much.
Carmen Lezeth (18:10):
I think it's also because people are benefiting
from his bullshittery, which isweird, right?
Because I I know my I am noteven lying.
If Barack Obama or Bill Clintonhad done anything I didn't
agree with, we would vocalizeit, we would talk about it, we
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would be angry about it.
Like, I am just not that tiedto a personality.
We can even talk about likecelebrities.
There are very few celebritiesthat I would have been like, oh
yeah, whatever you believe orsay, I'm all for.
Andrea (18:47):
Like, why?
There's not a single person onearth that I would say that
about, right?
Carmen Lezeth (18:53):
Like, I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe Prince and
George.
Andrea (18:58):
No, Prince had some issues, I will say.
Carmen Lezeth (19:00):
Like, I'm kidding, but I'm trying to think
of the because the weird way inwhich we've become, not we, not
you and I, but we as a societyhave become okay with what Trump
is doing and all of his minionsand all the bullshittery is so
weird to me.
And I'm trying to figure outwhere along the way did we
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become this, where everything hedoes is okay.
Everything he does is okay.
It's not just his sycophantfollowers, the media, the
corporations, everybody.
And now even the Pentagon, themilitary people are like, Yeah,
I don't really know.
Andrea (19:40):
I mean, I know obviously the way like with the major
sort of cultists, like it becametheir whole personality, you
know, like really, there arepeople like that's all they're
about.
Yeah, right.
I don't think that's the casefor a lot of the media and you
know, military and things likethat, but they've they've made
the calculation.
Like you said, like do Ibenefit more with him or without
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him?
Oh my god.
And it I believe that it's avery like personal calculation,
right?
Which is sick.
It's just sick.
It's really like you can lookat it, I believe, pretty
objectively, and say, the world,definitely the country, the
world, etc., is really notbetter off with him.
(20:26):
Look at all of these things.
Carmen Lezeth (20:28):
No, it's not.
Even in your personal life, Idon't care.
You know, listen, groceryprices, it's so petty.
Like, I don't even care aboutgrocery prices.
Grocery prices are up,everything is more expensive.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're not feelingthat in your own life, then you
are on purpose being oblivious.
I'm sorry.
They just reduced fuelstandards yesterday.
Andrea (20:49):
So, like, they want our cars to be less efficient, so we
have to buy more gas.
Can you imagine?
Like, can you imagine that?
It doesn't, so which of coursethen's like more pollution, you
know, you know what I mean?
Client, like, there's all ofthese and it's like it doesn't,
it just does not make any sensein terms of wanting to do well
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and improve the lives of people.
So if you are a supporter ofhis, or even maybe not a
supporter, but you're totallyfine with it, you're essentially
supporting all of those thingsthat make people's lives
objectively worse.
Carmen Lezeth (21:27):
I don't think people like regular human beings
understand the trajectory ofthe logic of like when this
happens, then this happens, thenthis, there's a domino effect.
And I know, look at I'm I'm I'mjust saying in in a really
Americans are really dumb.
(21:48):
I'm sorry.
We are really there's aneducation problem, there's also
a very selfish problem.
You know, it's all about me.
What's happening to me in mylife right now?
So if for some reason in yourlife your groceries haven't
changed, you think, no,everything's fine, everything's
fine because you're not eventhinking about the bigger
picture.
Because everywhere else on theplanet, grocery prices have
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changed, you know, like it'sit's that kind of simple thing.
It's like not having this evenability to be compassionate
about other people enough to notmake it all about yourself.
I don't know.
It's so depressing.
All right, let's talk aboutsomething else.
Let's talk about a differentcountry.
Let's talk about a differentcountry.
Um, so I know you may not knowabout this, but I'll just we
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it's just an overall topic.
So Australia, by the way, ifyou've not been to Australia,
you should all go and visit.
Um, starting December 10th, soin a few days, Australia will
enforce a world first lawbanning social media accounts
for anyone under the age of 16.
Platforms like Instagram,TikTok, Snapchat, YouTube,
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Facebook, Threads, Reddit,Twitch, and X must block
underage users or face fines upto this is Australian money,
$49.5 million.
And I didn't do thetransformation, but that sounds
like a lot of money, okay?
The government argues thisprotects teens from harmful
content, addictive designfeatures, and mental health
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risks.
Critics say it's a bluntmeasure that could isolate young
people or push them towardsriskier online behavior, but
supporters see it as a necessarystep to rein in big tech.
It's a historic move.
What do you think, Andrea, withchildren?
Andrea (23:36):
Okay.
Um, I only read the articlethat you sent me, so that's all
I know about this.
That's which is just an overallconversation.
Yeah.
Um well, okay.
I'm gonna start with this.
I think social media should bebanned for everybody.
I hate social media.
I think it's a net negative.
I really truly do.
I know that there are somepositives.
(23:56):
I have experienced thosepositives.
I know that it helps a lot ofpeople.
I think if you weigh it allout, it is significantly more
harmful than it is good.
So I'll just lay that outthere.
That's my two cents.
Um reading this article, I thisisn't an actual ban.
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Um and it's meant to beenforced, like there's no
enforcement mechanism except forthe companies.
Um and they don't really have areal incentive to keep young
people off except for thesefines, but they have these few
different ways that they can getaround it, which if you look at
(24:37):
what they are, like send inyour ID or allow us to do AI
facial recognition, whichthey're probably already doing,
allow us to infer it from youractivity, which of course
they're already doing, right?
To me, those are reasons whyyou shouldn't be on already.
But whatever.
So they can just say, Oh, yeah,we did this thing, we tried, we
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made our best effort to try tokeep these young people off.
Um, and so they can get itaround the fines in that way.
So I think it it sounded to melike uh, you know, hey, look,
we're doing something, but it'snot really anything.
Um, but I do agree with thecritics, which is if you don't
allow kids to use this, theywill go to other places.
(25:20):
I don't know if any of youlistening, watching have ever
been a teenager before, but um,they will do stuff, particularly
if you tell them not to do thatthing, right?
They will figure out a wayaround it, whether it's getting
themselves back on theseplatforms or finding something
else that's sort of outside thenorm where there could be um a
(25:41):
lot of other much more nefariousthings happening.
So that's where I'm at.
Interesting.
Carmen Lezeth (25:47):
Okay, so I know I have a different viewpoint.
Um look it, I've always saidthis.
I do not understand why kidscannot go outside and play.
I I just and I'm not I'm not aparent, so it's all you people,
all you parents who got intothis weird place, and I'm just
(26:08):
gonna say it straight up.
I don't care if I get backlash,I might get it from her, but um
this weird place where yourchildren are so precious, they
can't go outside and playbecause some harm will come to
them no matter what.
I don't know if it wastelevision, your own personal
experiences, the books you'rereading to become parents.
(26:30):
I I don't know where along theway, but parents have gone out
of their way to seclude theirkids and make them stay inside
all the time.
Or if they're gonna do a playdate, it's by a parent who's
hovering over them with otherparents while they're being
watched.
(26:51):
But it's just a weird way togrow up.
And if there's one thing I haveheard from all the children
I've been blessed to have in mylife, it has always been, boy,
when you were growing up, yougot to do basically freedom.
Like freedom to become a kid,you know, and questions like, is
it true that you would, youknow, be told, make sure you
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come home before the lights wentdown and nobody cared where you
were?
And I think that's part of theproblem.
I'm gonna say some more aboutthis.
I think the other part of thisis, and I've seen this with my
own eyes.
And again, I am making, well, Iam making a judgment, but I'm
not a parent.
But when you put your kid, ithappened to me too.
(27:37):
I was put in front of the TV.
I was a latchkey kid, so Iwould come home and I was told I
could watch certain TV andcertain, you know, certain shows
or whatever.
But there was also a fiercediscipline.
I knew if I tried to watchSpeed Racer instead of some
other show, you know, that I wassupposed to watch Sesame Street
or whatever, I'd be in trouble.
So I had the fear of God in me.
(27:57):
And we didn't have, you know,cameras in the house or
anything.
I just knew, you know.
But I was left alone a lot.
And that was kind of the badpart.
But then I was also let to gooutside and play and do stuff.
So it was a lot of negativestuff going up, but a lot of
positives to it too.
But I think what happens withkids today, they're put in front
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of screens, they're givenphones at the age of I don't
even fucking know, but likenine, eight, nine, ten years
old.
And then parents complain aboutthem being addicted to social
media.
So again, I I Andrea is justwaiting patiently.
So I disagree that social mediais bad.
(28:40):
I I have a different viewpointthat like any other tech,
whether it's a fucking microwaveversus an oven, whether it's,
you know, whatever tech it iswe're using, at some point, or
color TV or versus radio orwhatever it is, every generation
has their time period wherethey learn how to use new tech
and then it becomes part of thebackground.
(29:01):
That's what you hope it does.
Um, I don't think social mediais entirely bad.
I think people don't know howto use social media.
I think most people don't knowhow to use social media.
So um I think, and then I'lljust agree with you on this
part.
I think the more you bansomething, the more likely they
will find a way.
(29:21):
Because I don't think that'sthe right way to go about it
either.
That it just isn't.
And just like alcoholic sites,like if you go to any alcohol
site, you have to put in youryour birth date.
You could, I could put in anybirth date.
You know what I mean?
It doesn't matter.
But again, like what you said,there they they can say, look at
we're not we're not advertisingto, you know, advertising, they
(29:43):
advertise plenty, but you kidscan't come on our website and
order alcohol.
Yeah, you can.
You just lie about your age,you know what I mean?
Like and grab somebody's creditcard or whatever.
So yeah, go ahead.
Andrea (29:56):
I agree with you about sort of the state of being a
young person today and how theydon't get to play outside.
I think I've said this to youmany, many times.
It's one of like the saddestparts about being a parent now
is that the kids just don't havethat level of freedom to go
outside and they they don't goout because there's nobody else
out there.
You know what I mean?
(30:17):
And I don't know, you weresaying like when did it start?
Why did it why did it happen?
I don't know, but like you sendyour kids outside, they're
like, all right, you know, I'mgonna like dig in the dirt or
whatever, but there's no no oneelse is coming out to play
kickball or whatever, you know,they're the only ones out there.
Um, so it is just a reallyweird thing, this lack of
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freedom that they have.
Um, and I think it has reallywide-ranging effects, just from
you know, being able to stand upfor yourself, being able to
make decisions about, you know,like one of the things you
talked about was play dates.
And I always say, like, yeah,it all has to be arranged by the
parents, right?
Whereas when we were kids, yougo over to someone's house and
you're bored, tired, you don'tlike what's happening, you don't
(31:01):
like the kid who just showedup, you leave.
You leave.
You get to, you know what Imean?
And that's all of that socialstuff that happens, and some of
it's not good for sure, but youfigure it out, and that's part
of like, at least it was part ofour growing up process that we
don't have.
And I think that there is, youknow, it teaches them a level of
discernment that you know thatthey don't really have.
Um, and that plays into sort ofhow things are with social
(31:25):
media, but um, yeah, I mean, Ilook, uh, all of my feelings
about it are still there, but I100% agree.
Banning it is not gonna doanything, right?
And I realize my position on itis like old woman with a horse
and buggy going like, I don'twant these new fangled
automobiles, you know.
But um, but that's the way Ifeel about it.
(31:47):
And you know, um, but I knowit's not going anywhere.
I just think that you know,these companies and the people
who own them and run them arefucking terrible for society and
for individuals.
Carmen Lezeth (31:58):
So and I and look at it, I agree with you there.
I I think also adults um haveproblems with social media, it's
not just kids, right?
I mean, people don't know howto use so I can't tell you how
many times I'll go look atInstagram and I'll have like 17
emails and uh DMs, right?
Direct messages from people whoare just reposting things that
they think I'm interested in.
(32:19):
Like it's become a joke.
I tell people to stop sendingme all of these videos.
So what happens is like let'ssay somebody sees a clip of you
and me, right?
Because I send out uh clips ofus on social media, and let's
say they think your mom mightlike it or whatever, so they're
resending uh a clip, you know.
The the problem with that is Idon't have time, first of all, I
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don't have it on my phone.
Like, that's the first thingpeople should know about social
media.
If you take it off of yourphone, you're not going to be on
it all day.
Because it is addictive.
It is addictive.
It's fun to keep seeing whatpeople are doing or whatever.
And I'm like, I first of all, Idon't have the time.
And secondly, I don't want tobe addictive.
I want to see people I want totalk to, I want to set up time
(33:03):
to have.
If I'm gonna be using socialmedia like we are now, I want it
to be intentional with thepeople I know or want to get to
know.
Or I think we have to look atit with the benefits, understand
how it is manipulative.
Look, it I know I keep usingthe microwave as an example, and
it's because I don't use amicrowave.
(33:24):
And the and it's not for anyother reason except that I
don't, I'm not a big cook, butif I'm gonna cook, I'm gonna use
my oven and I'm gonna use thestovetop, right?
But if I was continually usingthe microwave to make eggs, to
toast my bread, to right.
If I was continuously alwaysjust using the microwave, that
is bad food.
(33:44):
It's yucky food.
You can't use the microwavethat way.
Okay, and I I don't use themicrowave, so every time I once
in a while, I'd be like, okay,that's that don't put bread in
the microwave.
You know, I'd be like, okay,got it, understood.
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm talking about.
I hate to be so like small andpetty about it, but the
(34:06):
microwave is the best example Ican use.
Like, it's not as you know,harmful to me or whatever as
maybe social media is to ouryoung kids and to adults, but
it's kind of the same idea.
You know, I had to learn how touse it, especially if I choose
not to use it.
That's okay.
I don't have to use it.
But when I do use it, I knowwhat it's for now.
(34:26):
I get it.
And if I don't know, I Iresearch it, you know, or I call
someone who knows how to cookand I say, should I do A, B, C,
and D?
And I think that's what we'velost.
We've lost the ability to kindof conceptualize that this is a
piece of tech and how do we useit in our home?
Because it's not doing the samething that television did or
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microwaves did or whatever.
It it hasn't plateaued.
We haven't figured out how touse it correctly yet.
And I think it's going to takea much longer time for people to
figure that out.
But in the meantime, the thingI do like about what Australia
is doing is it's making us havethe conversation.
I do.
I know what you're saying, butthey only have so much power and
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ability to do this withoutanybody else doing it.
And that's why I appreciatedwhat they're trying to do.
It's to make us have theseconversations.
Andrea (35:18):
Yeah.
And I, well, look, I I do thinkit goes back to the parents,
right?
I mean, what you're talkingabout in terms of usage, right?
My kids are on social media,right?
I don't like it.
I'm on social media, right?
Like I don't want my kids to beon it.
Even if you don't want to be,you are because I tag you all
the time.
Right.
But I do have myself veryspecific ways that I use it and
(35:41):
don't use it.
And I, you know, and I'm notmother of the year, I don't have
any of this figured out, but Ialso talk to my kids about it ad
nauseum to the point where theydon't want to hear it anymore,
about being critical about it.
This is what these companiesare trying to do, this is how
they're trying to do it, this iswhy, this is what the creators
are trying to do and how andwhy.
(36:02):
And so when you are using it,you need to be aware of that,
right?
And we have those kinds ofconversations about it.
They will always come and showme, hey, look at this, you know,
and then there's a couple oftimes where they will show me
something, I'm like, that's AI.
And sometimes I show themthings and they're like, that's
AI.
Carmen Lezeth (36:20):
That's a whole other conversation that maybe we
can have another time about AIand how that's really making it
harder.
Andrea (36:26):
You have to be in conversation, and this goes back
to one of our many runningthemes, which is you have to be
thinking critically and beintentional about things.
Carmen Lezeth (36:35):
If you're a parent and your kids on social
media, I just want you tounderstand that for kids, that's
their going outside.
That's why they would rather beon their phones than sitting
with you at dinner and orwatching TV with you or a movie.
Because we used to be outsideall day.
We would like I, as much as Iloved the adults in my life, I
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didn't want to sit with them andwatch a movie.
I would rather be outsidehanging on the street corner,
doing my thing, talking to myfriends about nothing.
That's how they socialize.
That's how they're socialize.
Yeah, yeah.
Andrea (37:09):
And that's uh it's not to make excuses, it's just
factual.
Yeah, it is that's the way thatit is right now.
Yeah.
So like it or not.
Carmen Lezeth (37:17):
All right, let's get back to the good stuff
because Andrea, let's talk aboutyour Hallmark issues.
Okay, so how was your weekwatching Holly?
Um, what is it?
Uh, Hallmark Christmas movies,right?
I sent you some.
You sent me some.
Well, I saw, did we talk aboutthe Henry Winkler one on the
(37:37):
show?
Henry Winkler.
Well, you and I no, no, I don'tthink we talked about it last
week, did we?
No, no, I think we didn't talkabout it last week because last
week was Thanksgiving, right?
I think you saw it in between,didn't you?
Yeah, yeah.
So what was your feeling aboutit?
I think we emailed each otherbecause you told me I watched
it.
But why don't you give ouraudience your flavor on the and
I forget the name of it?
Andrea (37:56):
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (37:57):
It doesn't it doesn't matter what the names
are.
It's like it's like oh wait,no, no, there's a song.
It's the Henry Winkler one withuh Warren Christie, and we'll
just put his picture up just soeveryone can get a look again.
There he is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And um, okay, what was yourfeeling?
It's something to do withChristmas, and it's the Henry
Winkler one from 2008.
Andrea (38:18):
Yeah, yeah.
So the yeah, it it was good.
I liked Henry Winkler'scharacter, and I like I think
I'd said to you, I wanted moreinteraction with the two of
them.
I thought their interaction wasreally cool and funny.
Um, and it was, you know, itwas pretty good, I thought.
As far as the genre goes, um,there weren't any parts that
were completely and totallycringe, but um right, but it's
(38:41):
kind of like the standardHallmark movie, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (38:45):
Okay, what else have you seen, or what else have
you been feeling aboutHallmark?
I've watched one for people whodon't realize you're new to
Hallmark, that's why we're we'rekind of talking about it.
You're I'm new to the family,yeah.
Andrea (38:58):
I mean, I was I'm pretty deeply in the Netflix Christmas
movie world, so I've gotseveral of those that I've seen,
and a new one yesterday thatwas really terrible.
But um what was it?
I don't know.
Um but it was one of theseones.
Okay, this actually this is aquestion that I have.
All right, it was one of theseones where like the girl is
(39:21):
engaged and her fiance dumpsher, so she hires an actor to go
home with her for the holidaysand pretend to be her fiance
because she doesn't want herfamily to and I'm like, and this
is kind of a theme in a lot ofthese movies, right?
(39:41):
There was one I watched whereum it was kind of like oh, it
was like uh the Christmascontract or something where the
girl was going home and for somereason her best friend's
brother went with her and actedlike and it's like what is going
on with people's families thatThey mean to have a fake fiance.
(40:03):
Like, I don't understand that,but that's definitely an ongoing
theme in these movies.
So that was the one I watchedlast night.
Was you know, and so she hiresthe actor, the fiance comes
back, right?
Lo and behold, she's fallen inlove with the actor, and he's
fallen in love with her and herfamily, of course.
Um, Shelly Long was the mother,and she was a fucking bitch, I
(40:26):
have to say.
Like, some of this is why I'mlike, is this what's happening
at the holidays for people?
Carmen Lezeth (40:30):
Aren't some of the ones with with like the like
where you I mean, those arekind of the ones I always send
you where there's somebody who'san old school actor, you know
what I mean, in it because Ilove those.
Whether Tenry Winkler or thewoman from I forget what that
show is.
I sent you another one, and youprobably haven't seen it yet
because I don't think it's comeup.
Andrea (40:47):
Oh, there's one.
Carmen Lezeth (40:48):
Oh, I think I knew Sean Cassidy's mother,
whatever her name was.
Andrea (40:52):
That's the one you told me to record, and I forgot to
record it.
Carmen Lezeth (40:54):
But that's okay.
But what's her name though?
Shirley Jones.
Right.
So there's one that she's inthat I sent you.
I love those are the ones Ilove when you see those.
So Shelley Long.
Yeah, I know which one you'retalking about.
Andrea (41:05):
And she was so mean to the daughter.
And I'm like, okay, well, thisis why they're hiring actors to
pretend to be their fiancé.
She's like, Don't blow this.
You know, 30, 30 is long, youknow, you're whatever, you're
well past 30.
Like, you need to, and I waslike, Well, some of those are
also old, I think.
Yeah, that one was a littleolder.
Um, because I watched one lastnight on Hallmark with the
(41:27):
commercials and everything thatwas pretty stupid, but um, it
was about a lady that was like aglassblower.
Have you seen oh, that one wasso bad.
I was so bad.
Carmen Lezeth (41:37):
Okay, wait, isn't that really bad?
So bad.
It's so bad, and like, and thenand then she's like, she's going
to um, she's hiding who shereally is as a designer, so she
creates a different name.
Right.
I think what drives me like atleast they're trying a different
storyline.
Andrea (41:56):
I think that's something that's true.
Well, and I get like, you know,I don't know what year that was
made, but as I was like recent,like 2023.
Carmen Lezeth (42:05):
That's recent.
Andrea (42:06):
Was it?
Okay.
I try to like figure it outsometimes by like the makeup and
the hairstyles.
And I look at it and I'm like,and I just, you know, it's like
a little game that I'm playingwith myself as I'm like, okay,
that's pre-COVID.
Like, look at those eyebrows.
Carmen Lezeth (42:20):
Uh I mean, maybe, but I you know what?
Because I you know what?
I don't know.
I I should be careful.
People don't think I'm like aHallmark expert.
But I think it's recent, andthe reason why is because the
guy in that, the way he looks,the guy, the guy.
Yeah, I'm like, I can't evenremember the guy, but yeah, but
he's a he's a regular.
So here's here here's what Iwant to explain to you, which
(42:42):
you're already trying to figure,you're already figuring out.
Hallmark, I'm not saying thisis what they do, but this is
what it feels like.
I'm not sure.
But Hallmark seems to makecontracts with their actors, so
they are the same actors and allof the movies.
You're gonna see the same guys,and I was just on somebody's
Instagram, one of the one of theguys on the show who I don't
(43:05):
follow on Instagram.
Uh totally follow on Instagram,but it's so cool because all of
they're all friends, yeah,they're not even on the same
movies, but they're just and youcan, and I was going through it
for you know, because I was uhresearching for this topic of
conversation.
But it's so cool because likethey're all really, really good
(43:25):
friends, and it's kind of goesback to that whole Hollywood
system when the studio I wasjust thinking that.
Andrea (43:30):
It's like studios.
Oh my gosh, that's so it's kindof cool.
Carmen Lezeth (43:33):
I mean, in that sense, it seems kind of cool.
But what ends up happening isevery time you see an actor on a
on a movie, I'm like, oh wow,okay.
So this is a recent one becauseI can see how much he's aged,
right?
That's why I know that this isa more recent one.
I don't know if it's before.
When I say more recent, I meanlike five years, you know, three
to five years.
Because that's some of them youcan see them when they're
(43:54):
really young.
You know what I mean?
Andrea (43:55):
Yeah, I think that one with the actor fiance was from
like 2011 or something.
It was pretty old.
Carmen Lezeth (44:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of themes, like I the okay,
the ones I can't stand.
I just have to say this, andI've watched them, but I can't
stand them.
The whole princess thing, youknow, like somebody is royalty
and then they find a commonerwho's a seamstress or a I don't
know what like what is ourobsession with royalty?
(44:23):
It's a weird one, and falling inlove.
Andrea (44:25):
There's a Brooke Shields one where she's like goes to a
castle in Scotland, and like Ithink the guy who has the castle
is like a Duke or something.
I mean, it's just still likebut it's fun to.
Carmen Lezeth (44:39):
I mean, I think what's really great about it,
again, it goes back to thisthing for me, like food.
I know that macaroni and cheeseis probably not the best thing
for me to be eating, but boy,when I eat it, it feels really
comfortable, you know what Imean?
And I smile and I laugh.
And what I like about it is Idon't have to put too much brain
information into it.
Like I went and saw um Wickedfor Good the other day, which
(45:02):
well, I saw it when it firstcame out, and I loved it, but I
was totally into it.
And I was like, you know, andit I loved it, but it took a
lot.
Andrea (45:10):
But Hallmark movies are just it's like you can have it
on in the background and youknow, be doing something else.
And I, you know, at this pointnow it's like a little bit of a
game, like, okay, do we have adead parent?
Or if they're not dead, arethey on a cruise this year?
Carmen Lezeth (45:28):
Oh, the cruise is a new thing, by the way.
This is this is like a new thecruise thing is driving me up a
wall.
That's happened too many timesnow.
Andrea (45:34):
Yeah, you know, but there's all those sort of tropes
where I'm like, okay, check.
Carmen Lezeth (45:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Um I've noticed like the bakerystuff has kind of like you're
like if you're watching bakerythings, those are older
Hallmarks.
Like now, now it's like arestaurant or a you know, we we
own a restaurant, our familyowns a restaurant, or they own a
store, a country mart, orsomething.
You know what I mean?
Like they're trying to change itup a bit.
Andrea (46:00):
There was one I watched, I think this was a Netflix one
also, um, where she had a candystore slash bakery, I guess.
And it was the the loveinterest was an actor who was in
town shooting a movie orsomething like that.
Carmen Lezeth (46:15):
Because he's trying to be learn to be a ranch
hand or something.
Well, no, I saw that one.
I saw that one too.
Okay.
I think I watched that one overthe weekend.
I'm confusing them now.
That's so funny.
Andrea (46:32):
No, but this one was actually really funny because
the the the story was that hegot really bad service and he
gave her a bad review.
So then they were like goingback and forth on the review,
like it was like a Yelp type ofthing or whatever.
So it was like modern becausethey were oh they were like the
Yelp thing or whatever, like ohthat's funny.
Carmen Lezeth (46:51):
Yeah, oh god.
They are fun though, and Ithink um I I I think I told you
there's also there's a lot offree ones on YouTube, so you
don't have to have Netflix orwhatever.
For some reason, Hallmark, allof these kind of there's also
like the Great American Channelor Great American Family,
whatever.
There's a lot of them that theyput some of the older movies
(47:12):
out there for free, which Ididn't notice until I was like,
let me try to find some for youthat you might want to enjoy.
Um, and let me ask you this: what do you think makes a good (47:17):
undefined
Hallmark movie at this stagewhile you're kind of dipping
your toe into it?
Andrea (47:26):
Well, I'm you know, I'm beginning to be a connoisseur.
So what makes a good one?
Um definitely good actors andgood writing, right?
Like just some not super canneddialogue, I think, is helpful.
Um but I think I think you haveto have some of the tropes,
(47:49):
right?
Like you can't just dosomething completely new because
that's not what we want.
We know we definitely need thealmost kiss and you know, all of
those kinds of things.
So I think I don't know.
That's a really good question.
What to think about that?
But I am a little over theprincess y stuff.
Yeah, that's it.
Um I don't mind a bakery, I'mfine with a bakery.
(48:09):
Um you know what I well, I oneof my favorite ones that I just
saw this year was um single allthe way, so it's like a gay um
story.
Oh, yeah, I did see that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that that because it'ssomething different, you know.
I'd like to maybe see somethingwhere it's flipped and like
it's more about the guy and hiswhole thing, you know.
(48:30):
Um yeah, I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (48:33):
They're fun.
Yeah, um, I, you know, look atI I know what I don't like in
some of the Hallmark movies.
Um, and that's basically whenwhen it's done badly, when you
can just, I mean, how do I saythis?
Because I don't want to dissall the actors and writers and
all the people on these crews,because they just churn these
movies out, right?
(48:54):
This isn't like, you know,they're not trying to do
Shakespeare.
But I know for myself, I haveno like I don't have a
preference as to what thestoryline is because I'm
watching it not just asbackground, but as not heavy
information.
So yeah, the bakery or even theprincess thing.
I mean, I've watched them, butit kills me because I'm like,
(49:15):
why?
Like I would never want to goto a castle and you know what I
mean, whatever.
Um, I think the thing thatbothers me probably the most is
the lack of diversity all thetime.
Yeah.
So now that they aren't like,and I don't just mean we need
more black people or we needmore, like, I don't want black
people who are acting white.
I'll give you an example.
(49:35):
I'll give an example.
I'll give you an example.
So they do have what you mean,but go ahead.
But I'm gonna explain it.
Okay, so like I don't want justlike a black person who's okay,
she's gonna get ready and andshe's gonna go to bed, and
though she's gonna go to bed andshe's gonna lay down and like
this.
Because the truth is a blackwoman gonna put on a silk wrap
(49:56):
on her head.
Like, that's a simple thing.
That's like a simple thing.
That's and it's not that it hasto be cultural, but it has to
be real to all of us.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like you see theyou you see the two couples who
are like the the the the the twomen who are uh a gay couple,
you know, like and I love thatthey let them kiss or whatever,
but that would be weird if theywere just like like you're you
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don't want to hide what thetruth is.
So I always think about that.
Like, can we let people ofcolor can and like Asian people
are not represented in Hallmarkmovies?
I would love to see some name,you know.
Then this isn't about DEI andall your fucking woke
bullshittery.
This is about reflecting all ofus in these really fun, simple
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ways, you know.
And like, I'm not saying all,by the way, I'm not saying all
black people wear silk wrap.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying there are simplethings that I notice when they
do kind of install a person ofcolor.
And I'm like, okay, she wouldnever do that, she would never
wear that.
That is not even true.
And what it does is it takes meout of the movie, it takes me
out of it, you know what I mean?
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Um, and I also think it's nottrue.
I mean, a lot of it is not truebecause not everyone works at a
bakery, but you know what I'msaying.
Yeah, you know, um so thatwould be kind of something I
love that they Hallmark did whatthey did, and I hope they get
all their viewers back, youknow, not the viewers that don't
want to be there.
And that's kind of the politicsbehind stuff that you don't
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know.
Yeah.
Um, that uh we'll talk aboutsome other time.
But you mentioned that lasttime.
No, but I mean, like I'm I'mgonna tell you like some ghetto
version.
I'm I'm uh, you know, down abit for you know, you but in my
ghetto version, you know.
But yeah, no, I'm glad you'reenjoying it, and we'll touch
base with you, you know.
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We don't always have to talkabout a homework, but I'm always
curious what you're watching.
Andrea (51:49):
So I haven't even watched, you know, we all have
our like sort of traditionalChristmas movies that we watch,
right?
Like, I haven't watched any ofthose at all.
I watched the sound of musicthe other day, I was in tears
because I haven't seen it in solong.
Carmen Lezeth (52:02):
Oh my god, it was so beautiful.
But you're saying you haven'teven watched some of those yet.
Andrea (52:06):
I haven't watched any of those.
We always watch WhiteChristmas, which is like a
little bit of a hate watch forme sometimes.
But I know, I know.
But um, and I do like it's awonderful life.
The kids don't like it, but Istill watch it.
And then also kind of dated,but it's still good.
I still will watch some of theum like the Rudolph ones, those
like Claymation.
I don't think it's calledwhatever they are, the puppets
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or I just love those.
Carmen Lezeth (52:28):
So you know what though?
Can I say there's somethingalso weird about this?
Might just be a me thing.
I want to turn on my TV and itbe on and be like, oh my god.
As opposed to having itrecorded and then watching it.
Like, is that weird?
Like, I like some things thatare just live happening.
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Does that make sense?
Andrea (52:51):
Yeah, well, I remember like with all you know, like the
peanuts Christmas show orwhatever.
Like, there were like it waslike it was on it's gonna be on
uh on you know Wednesday the18th at 8 o'clock, and you
either sat down and watched itor you miss it until you missed
it.
Yeah, like that was it, youwere not gonna see it.
And there was like one of theRudolphs was my favorite, the
one with like the heat miser orwhatever.
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Oh that was my favorite one.
Carmen Lezeth (53:15):
And if I missed it, heat miser and Mr.
Hot.
Right, uh Mr.
Sun.
Andrea (53:20):
I love that one.
Yeah, yeah.
If you missed it, it's like Iyou don't get to see it for a
whole year.
Like it was such a big deal.
Like you had to be prepared.
Carmen Lezeth (53:29):
Um, Mr.
Hundred One.
They call me Heat Miser.
Whatever I touched didn'tmelted in my clutch or some.
I'm too much.
Okay, we're gonna end on thatbecause that's gonna be in my
head the whole time.
Thank you.
That was so much fun.
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Now that you know, now I haveto go find that movie.
That was fun.
Yeah, um, all right.
Well, everyone, thank you forhanging out.
And um, remember, at the end ofthe day, it really is all about
the joy.
We'll see you next time.
Bye, everyone.
Thanks for stopping by, AllAbout the Joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
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Have a sweet day.
Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Okay.
All right, go ahead.
Proceed with your bitching.
That's how we're startingtoday.
I wasn't even bitching.
I was being bitchy.
Okay, you were being bitchy.
(00:20):
I just want to make sure we gotit full on in the recording.
You know what I mean?
Hey, your hair looks goodtoday.
Andrea (00:27):
I cut and colored it myself over the weekend.
Carmen Lezeth (00:30):
What do you mean you cut and colored it yourself?
Andrea (00:32):
I mean you locked yourself to the hairdresser, or
no, I did it myself.
Really?
Yeah.
But honestly, I I love the ladywho does my hair.
Um she's an artist.
She's really expensive, and Ijust could not swing it.
And it was time, I hadn't Ihadn't got my hair cut since
April.
Carmen Lezeth (00:50):
It's so much money.
It's you know what to me, Imean, it's not even the money
part.
Yes, it's the money part, butit's the time.
Yeah, it is I don't want to bethere for four hours, dude.
I'm there for six, seven hours.
Yeah, no, that's crazy.
So for me, it's yes, it's themoney, and that's why I've
(01:10):
stopped doing it too.
I I told you, well, I I don'tknow.
I I guess it was the other uhit was uh Rick and Cynthia we
were talking about, you know,because I've gotten all the
blonde in my hair or whatever,but my hairdresser also gave me
coloring and the solution to domyself the roots so that I don't
have to come in all the time.
Because I think he was annoyedthat I was like, oh, why do I
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have to be here all the time?
I totally admit it.
I really think he was like, lookit, we don't want you here
either, bitch.
Like, I make enough money onthe bring your colour, get the
fuck out.
I totally admit that.
But um well, cool.
Well, yeah, so we're gonna talkabout some boring stuff first.
It's not even boring stuff, butlet me just give some updates
(01:57):
on what's going on today.
The big story today is aboutPete Hegzith, right?
Right now, Pete Hegzith.
I'm gonna do quotes, uh,Secretary of Defense, which they
have fucking tried to renameSecretary of War, right?
The War Department.
I mean, this tells youeverything you need to know
(02:18):
about where our country isgoing, where we go from being a
defense department to being onethat's kind of pushing war.
I, anyways, okay, I'm sorry.
I'm getting off topic.
So the first thing is SignalGate.
I'm just gonna read thesummary.
Um, the Pentagon's inspectorgeneral found that Defense
Secretary Pete Heggseth, everytime I I can only see him on Fox
(02:43):
News.
I'm sorry.
I can just, you know what Imean?
Like the incompetence of thistalk show host is anyway.
Okay, again, sorry.
Violated policy by using theencrypted messaging app signal
on his personal phone to sharesensitive details about a
planned U.S.
strike in Yemen.
While the report concluded, hetechnically had authority to
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declassify the information.
It warned that his actionsrisked exposing operational
plans and endangering troops ifintercepted.
The Pentagon insists noclassified material was leaked,
but the episode has raisedserious questions about judgment
and security.
Okay, that's just number one.
We don't have to talk abouteach individual thing.
I'm just gonna give you thesecond one.
(03:24):
Right, but they just found theyAndrea, you know our government
has to spend lots of money andtax dollars to do a whole
conversation, get a committeetogether so the Pentagon's
Inspector General found, right?
I mean, there was a wholeinvestigation, so that's what
the big topic is.
I mean, how dare you?
Andrea (03:46):
If you were a regular guy in any of the militaries,
you would have been fired andprobably in jail within a week.
Carmen Lezeth (03:54):
Or if you're working at any company, if you
were part of any industrywhatsoever, you would have been
out.
It wouldn't have even beenquestioned.
But this is what thisgovernment, our government, is
now.
This is what we do.
Uh boat killings, because weare the murder of war.
Hegzeth is also under fire forallegedly ordering a second
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strike on a suspected drugtrafficking boat in the
Caribbean after the initialattack left survivors.
Reports claim he directedforces to kill everybody, which
resulted in all 11 people aboardbeing killed.
Critics say this couldconstitute a war crime under
critics say it is.
Okay, wait a minute.
You know, let me let me justback it.
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Let me just read the news,okay?
Critics say this couldconstitute a war crime under
international law while Heggsethdenies giving such an order and
calls the reporting inaccurate.
The incident has triggeredbipartisan scrutiny and
comparisons to past militaryabuses.
Um, that's gonna be our firsttopic.
(05:02):
And for me, I just want to saythis part.
I am shooketh at the lack ofour own common sense stuffage,
right?
Like all these committees, allthese allegedly, no, it's so
obvious to me what he did, butI'll let you speak.
Andrea (05:18):
There is I don't know what it's called, but there is a
in the you know military codeof conduct, there is a specific
rule for this actual veryparticular incident that you
cannot, you know, on boats,people who are survivors, you
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cannot fire on them, kill them,and so this very particular
thing that they have done isactually outlined as a thing you
cannot do by our own military.
Carmen Lezeth (05:49):
Okay, I also want to stress you are absolutely
right.
That is absolutely true.
Basically, if somebody survivesthe initial bombing and they're
clinging to the edge of theboat, you are supposed to try to
save them.
Okay, or let them be orsomething.
But if we just back up andfirst say, um, we're also not at
war.
Right.
I mean, the fact that we'rejust sending you know what, this
(06:15):
is what we've become.
And what scares me is thatTrump supporters are like, they
know that there are drugs on theboat.
The majority of drugs do notcome from Venezuela, like that's
the other part of this.
It's all bullshit.
Andrea (06:30):
Even if there were drugs or people or arms on the boat,
you are not supposed to blow itup.
Carmen Lezeth (06:41):
But you can take them in, right?
You bring them in and you givethem due process, right?
And and and but what's happenednow is that especially like
Trump supporters or people onthe right or whatever, extreme
people have just decided thatkilling people is the way we do
things.
Like we don't want to give dueprocess to anyone except
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Americans, and even then you'rekind of subjective because if
they're not white Americans, wewe find other reasons to not
want to give those people dueprocess.
In the constitution, dueprocess is for everyone.
It's not about being a citizenor of a color or of a gender, or
it's and that's what used tomake our country great was that
(07:27):
we had actual morals.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
So the last thing I'm gonna sayabout Pete Hegset, and we can
move on to our next incompetenthuman being, um, is that I
really can't get over howincompetent he is.
(07:47):
I mean, I know the entire allof them are, but he's
extraordinarily incompetent.
And the fact that he is in thatposition, it makes me think of
you remember Dan Quayle and howmuch fun we used to make of Dan
Quayle.
Andrea (08:02):
Yeah, good old Danny.
And now I feel bad becauseGlory Days, potato.
I know.
Um But I mean, you know, again,we'd go back to Dan Quayle
today if we could, right?
100% bring him on.
Carmen Lezeth (08:16):
Just so weird.
Andrea (08:17):
Yeah, I mean, uh it like it has to be demoralizing for a
lot of people to have thisperson leading the defense
department.
Um, on the other hand, um, andI've talked about this before, I
find it really well, ofdemoralizing for me and and
shocking that you know, ourbrave military, our thank you
(08:41):
for your service, our bestmilitary in the world.
Not one of these motherfuckerscan stand up to him.
The one guy, the one guy whodid he resign.
He resigned, right?
And I understand he's not gonnago out and do like the press
tour and say, like, they askedme to do this, and you know, all
of those kinds of things, butlike where is the courage?
(09:03):
Uh it ain't nowhere in thisfucking room.
I can tell you not this room,but like collective United
States military.
Uh like I just don't knowwhat's going on there.
I don't get it.
Carmen Lezeth (09:14):
But I think that's a lot of Congress, this
administration.
There's just a weird thinghappening where people are just
corporations.
I mean, I don't know why anyonestill has an iPhone or anything
to do with Apple.
Like, and I know, I know it'snot like easy to throw away a
$2,000 phone or whatever, butit's like I I don't even own an
(09:34):
iPhone.
And I was like, what is TimCook doing?
Why is he capitulating andgiving him whatever the fuck
that thing was he gave him?
Like, why?
And giving them all he gave himlike a glass Apple thing.
I don't know what it was.
I was just like, Steve Jobs isrolling in his grave.
And then I'm like, but this isthe country we are now, which is
(09:55):
so small.
We're such a small, patheticcountry now.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm not saying we're wewe're still huge.
Andrea (10:04):
I'm saying our morals, our core, like who we used to
believe we were is there are alot of everyday people who are
standing up in many ways allover the country.
I think our leadership justabsolutely sucks.
Carmen Lezeth (10:21):
I know, but without power, it's really hard.
I I agree with you.
There are a lot of peoplestanding up and doing the right
things.
And but you know, like I keepholding on to people like Gavin
Newsom or the guy from Chicago.
What's his name?
I always want to say spritzer,but that's not right.
What is it?
Spritzker.
Spritzer.
You know, like I mean, we needwe need leadership, we need
(10:43):
people out there, but I I don'tknow that we have it in our
current crop right now.
Andrea (10:49):
And I, you know, like that's been my thing for many
years.
You cannot be hero worshipingany politician, right?
Because it's it's I don't know,not to sound like so, so, so
left wing, but like it's someonelike you.
Go ahead.
It's money versus not moneyed.
Yeah, that's really what itcomes down to.
(11:10):
Like, yeah, you're right.
Let me just try to protect thestatus quo as much as possible.
Let me give the gold bars tothe president so that I can
still have my you know,acquisition that I want to have,
or you know, whatever it is.
Meanwhile, everybody else islike, don't fucking kidnap my
neighbors, and also I can'tafford a steak.
Carmen Lezeth (11:32):
You know what I mean?
Like or done you're you'reabsolutely right.
And I wish a lot more people,especially people who continue
at this point, people whocontinue to support Trump.
I'm just we I've been here fora long time, but I'm just like,
I still don't get it.
But people who are still inthat camp, it is not about you.
(11:53):
He does not care.
That entire administration,rich people do not care about
poor people.
And when we're talking aboutrich people, like just because
you think you're making $400,000a year, that's not rich, bitch.
Yeah, people are so confused.
This is about really the topone or two percent of people,
(12:14):
and uh it's just extraordinaryto sit back and watch.
Andrea (12:18):
I still think, going back to your point, like there's
a lot of people who considerthemselves rich and they're a
part of it and they don't wanttheir taxes raised, and
da-da-da-da-da.
And it's like, like you said,it's it's not you.
You will be thrown under thebus at any moment, easily, you
know, and and you're not as richas you think you are, I guess.
Carmen Lezeth (12:41):
No, if you're not in that one or two percent, and
you know, and then I thinkabout all the people that we
quote unquote admire or thinkhighly of, and they're also not
saying anything because whywould they, right?
Like we're talking about theOprah's or the Warren Buffett's
or the Mark uh Cubans, althoughhe does say some stuff, or
Barack Obama, or whatever it is,all the you can we can name so
(13:03):
many people that actually havepower who dabble, dabble a
little bit, say a little bit,and then they just move on and
live their lives because theydon't have to deal with this
drama every day.
The the drama of Pete Hegzethis a great example.
Like, is that affecting mepersonally today?
No, but it is affecting mepersonally when I call and talk
(13:26):
to my friend Scott in Spain, orI'm talking to someone in
Australia.
You know what I mean?
Like when I, or if we travel,which you know I ain't traveling
till this administration's donebecause I don't want to get
deported, even though you knowwhat I'm saying, because I'm
brown.
Um, it is affecting us globallybecause people have lost all
respect for the United States.
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In the midst of trying to haveall of this respect forced upon
people by power and strength andby bravado, we've lost all
credibility.
Andrea (13:58):
I can't imagine why any country would ever trust us
again.
Like really can't.
Yeah.
You know, we had Trump won, andthen Biden came in, and you
could tell there was like alifting, and people, you know,
and he was, you know, foreignrelations guy for a long time,
so there was definitely animprovement.
And then to go and re-electTrump, it's like okay, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (14:24):
Okay, so let's talk about Donald Donald Trump.
Um, just for a second, and thenwe'll get to Joy.
Yay! Um, on December 2nd, DonaldTrump flooded Truth Social with
158 posts in a single day.
And it was like at two in themorning or something, like one
in the morning.
And then usually high volume,even for him.
(14:46):
The content was a mix ofreposts, personal commentary,
and attacks on politicalopponents, with recurring themes
around defending hisadministration, criticizing
ongoing investigations, andamplifying uh supportive voices.
While much of it lookedscattered, ranging from memes to
policy claims, the overallthrust was deliberate to
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dominate the news cycle,overwhelm critics, and energize
his base by sheer volume.
Analysts noted the timing wastied to mounting scrutiny over
Pete Hegzett's controversies,uh, suggesting Trump was using
the barrage both as adistraction and as a show of
force.
In short, it wasn't random, itwas a calculated flood meant to
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control the narrative.
I personally think he justlosing his mind too.
You know what I mean?
But well, there's that forsure.
Losing it.
No.
So you didn't know about that,right?
Because you were traveling orsomething.
Andrea (15:43):
I didn't know about that.
I just haven't been checked in.
I wasn't traveling, but uhlike, yeah, I didn't know
anything about it.
Carmen Lezeth (15:49):
Yeah.
No, so it was just weird.
I I found it, you know, likeagain, I'm going back to this
thing where I think um it's noteven that the bar is low.
The bar does not exist.
It does not exist with theTrump administration.
Uh, he's been falling asleeplike on camera, like, not even
like just a little knot, likeliterally falling asleep.
(16:10):
And again, you know, we we wegot rid of Biden for this,
right?
Biden was deranged and losingit in an old man and blah blah
blah.
And Trump is doing the exactsame thing, and even worse, in
my opinion, and consistentlydoing it and acting like a crazy
man and you know, nothing.
It's just it's fine.
(16:32):
It's always a pass.
Andrea (16:34):
I don't, I uh I don't get it.
I don't get it, I don't get it.
I it's very do you remember thestory?
I had these books when I waslittle, they were like Disney
books, and they had all ofthese, like you know, Princess
and the P and you know, and theone that I think of, I'm sure,
is the Emperor Has No Clothes,right?
And so, and it was like a tigeror something, was the Emperor,
(16:54):
and he would walk down and hedidn't have his robe and
everything.
And I just remember beingreally little and being like,
Why is nobody saying anything?
And there's like one little kidwho points at him, like the
Emperor has no clothes, and it'sjust like we all know, we all
see what's happening with ourown eyes, and there's this very,
(17:17):
I think, deliberate,intentional attempt to try to
force us to believe we are notseeing what we are seeing, it's
very like 1984, you know.
Um, and I don't reallyunderstand talking about the
book, yes, yeah.
The book, Orwell.
Carmen Lezeth (17:37):
Not not the time, not the year, actually, the
book.
Andrea (17:40):
Well, I could talk about that too, but I just want to be
clear because people will notknow that it's 1984, the book,
but um yeah, I just it it I Idon't understand what the
reasoning is behind it, youknow, like the media likes to
have Trump around, like that's agreat story.
(18:00):
We could talk about thatforever.
Like we they lived off of thatwith Biden for the whole fucking
summer.
We we could live off of thatfor a little while, just like
tell the truth.
I don't like it's so much.
Carmen Lezeth (18:10):
I think it's also because people are benefiting
from his bullshittery, which isweird, right?
Because I I know my I am noteven lying.
If Barack Obama or Bill Clintonhad done anything I didn't
agree with, we would vocalizeit, we would talk about it, we
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would be angry about it.
Like, I am just not that tiedto a personality.
We can even talk about likecelebrities.
There are very few celebritiesthat I would have been like, oh
yeah, whatever you believe orsay, I'm all for.
Andrea (18:47):
Like, why?
There's not a single person onearth that I would say that
about, right?
Carmen Lezeth (18:53):
Like, I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe Prince and
George.
Andrea (18:58):
No, Prince had some issues, I will say.
Carmen Lezeth (19:00):
Like, I'm kidding, but I'm trying to think
of the because the weird way inwhich we've become, not we, not
you and I, but we as a societyhave become okay with what Trump
is doing and all of his minionsand all the bullshittery is so
weird to me.
And I'm trying to figure outwhere along the way did we
(19:20):
become this, where everything hedoes is okay.
Everything he does is okay.
It's not just his sycophantfollowers, the media, the
corporations, everybody.
And now even the Pentagon, themilitary people are like, Yeah,
I don't really know.
Andrea (19:40):
I mean, I know obviously the way like with the major
sort of cultists, like it becametheir whole personality, you
know, like really, there arepeople like that's all they're
about.
Yeah, right.
I don't think that's the casefor a lot of the media and you
know, military and things likethat, but they've they've made
the calculation.
Like you said, like do Ibenefit more with him or without
(20:04):
him?
Oh my god.
And it I believe that it's avery like personal calculation,
right?
Which is sick.
It's just sick.
It's really like you can lookat it, I believe, pretty
objectively, and say, the world,definitely the country, the
world, etc., is really notbetter off with him.
(20:26):
Look at all of these things.
Carmen Lezeth (20:28):
No, it's not.
Even in your personal life, Idon't care.
You know, listen, groceryprices, it's so petty.
Like, I don't even care aboutgrocery prices.
Grocery prices are up,everything is more expensive.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're not feelingthat in your own life, then you
are on purpose being oblivious.
I'm sorry.
They just reduced fuelstandards yesterday.
Andrea (20:49):
So, like, they want our cars to be less efficient, so we
have to buy more gas.
Can you imagine?
Like, can you imagine that?
It doesn't, so which of coursethen's like more pollution, you
know, you know what I mean?
Client, like, there's all ofthese and it's like it doesn't,
it just does not make any sensein terms of wanting to do well
(21:10):
and improve the lives of people.
So if you are a supporter ofhis, or even maybe not a
supporter, but you're totallyfine with it, you're essentially
supporting all of those thingsthat make people's lives
objectively worse.
Carmen Lezeth (21:27):
I don't think people like regular human beings
understand the trajectory ofthe logic of like when this
happens, then this happens, thenthis, there's a domino effect.
And I know, look at I'm I'm I'mjust saying in in a really
Americans are really dumb.
(21:48):
I'm sorry.
We are really there's aneducation problem, there's also
a very selfish problem.
You know, it's all about me.
What's happening to me in mylife right now?
So if for some reason in yourlife your groceries haven't
changed, you think, no,everything's fine, everything's
fine because you're not eventhinking about the bigger
picture.
Because everywhere else on theplanet, grocery prices have
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changed, you know, like it'sit's that kind of simple thing.
It's like not having this evenability to be compassionate
about other people enough to notmake it all about yourself.
I don't know.
It's so depressing.
All right, let's talk aboutsomething else.
Let's talk about a differentcountry.
Let's talk about a differentcountry.
Um, so I know you may not knowabout this, but I'll just we
(22:35):
it's just an overall topic.
So Australia, by the way, ifyou've not been to Australia,
you should all go and visit.
Um, starting December 10th, soin a few days, Australia will
enforce a world first lawbanning social media accounts
for anyone under the age of 16.
Platforms like Instagram,TikTok, Snapchat, YouTube,
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Facebook, Threads, Reddit,Twitch, and X must block
underage users or face fines upto this is Australian money,
$49.5 million.
And I didn't do thetransformation, but that sounds
like a lot of money, okay?
The government argues thisprotects teens from harmful
content, addictive designfeatures, and mental health
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risks.
Critics say it's a bluntmeasure that could isolate young
people or push them towardsriskier online behavior, but
supporters see it as a necessarystep to rein in big tech.
It's a historic move.
What do you think, Andrea, withchildren?
Andrea (23:36):
Okay.
Um, I only read the articlethat you sent me, so that's all
I know about this.
That's which is just an overallconversation.
Yeah.
Um well, okay.
I'm gonna start with this.
I think social media should bebanned for everybody.
I hate social media.
I think it's a net negative.
I really truly do.
I know that there are somepositives.
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I have experienced thosepositives.
I know that it helps a lot ofpeople.
I think if you weigh it allout, it is significantly more
harmful than it is good.
So I'll just lay that outthere.
That's my two cents.
Um reading this article, I thisisn't an actual ban.
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Um and it's meant to beenforced, like there's no
enforcement mechanism except forthe companies.
Um and they don't really have areal incentive to keep young
people off except for thesefines, but they have these few
different ways that they can getaround it, which if you look at
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what they are, like send inyour ID or allow us to do AI
facial recognition, whichthey're probably already doing,
allow us to infer it from youractivity, which of course
they're already doing, right?
To me, those are reasons whyyou shouldn't be on already.
But whatever.
So they can just say, Oh, yeah,we did this thing, we tried, we
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made our best effort to try tokeep these young people off.
Um, and so they can get itaround the fines in that way.
So I think it it sounded to melike uh, you know, hey, look,
we're doing something, but it'snot really anything.
Um, but I do agree with thecritics, which is if you don't
allow kids to use this, theywill go to other places.
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I don't know if any of youlistening, watching have ever
been a teenager before, but um,they will do stuff, particularly
if you tell them not to do thatthing, right?
They will figure out a wayaround it, whether it's getting
themselves back on theseplatforms or finding something
else that's sort of outside thenorm where there could be um a
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lot of other much more nefariousthings happening.
So that's where I'm at.
Interesting.
Carmen Lezeth (25:47):
Okay, so I know I have a different viewpoint.
Um look it, I've always saidthis.
I do not understand why kidscannot go outside and play.
I I just and I'm not I'm not aparent, so it's all you people,
all you parents who got intothis weird place, and I'm just
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gonna say it straight up.
I don't care if I get backlash,I might get it from her, but um
this weird place where yourchildren are so precious, they
can't go outside and playbecause some harm will come to
them no matter what.
I don't know if it wastelevision, your own personal
experiences, the books you'rereading to become parents.
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I I don't know where along theway, but parents have gone out
of their way to seclude theirkids and make them stay inside
all the time.
Or if they're gonna do a playdate, it's by a parent who's
hovering over them with otherparents while they're being
watched.
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But it's just a weird way togrow up.
And if there's one thing I haveheard from all the children
I've been blessed to have in mylife, it has always been, boy,
when you were growing up, yougot to do basically freedom.
Like freedom to become a kid,you know, and questions like, is
it true that you would, youknow, be told, make sure you
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come home before the lights wentdown and nobody cared where you
were?
And I think that's part of theproblem.
I'm gonna say some more aboutthis.
I think the other part of thisis, and I've seen this with my
own eyes.
And again, I am making, well, Iam making a judgment, but I'm
not a parent.
But when you put your kid, ithappened to me too.
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I was put in front of the TV.
I was a latchkey kid, so Iwould come home and I was told I
could watch certain TV andcertain, you know, certain shows
or whatever.
But there was also a fiercediscipline.
I knew if I tried to watchSpeed Racer instead of some
other show, you know, that I wassupposed to watch Sesame Street
or whatever, I'd be in trouble.
So I had the fear of God in me.
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And we didn't have, you know,cameras in the house or
anything.
I just knew, you know.
But I was left alone a lot.
And that was kind of the badpart.
But then I was also let to gooutside and play and do stuff.
So it was a lot of negativestuff going up, but a lot of
positives to it too.
But I think what happens withkids today, they're put in front
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of screens, they're givenphones at the age of I don't
even fucking know, but likenine, eight, nine, ten years
old.
And then parents complain aboutthem being addicted to social
media.
So again, I I Andrea is justwaiting patiently.
So I disagree that social mediais bad.
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I I have a different viewpointthat like any other tech,
whether it's a fucking microwaveversus an oven, whether it's,
you know, whatever tech it iswe're using, at some point, or
color TV or versus radio orwhatever it is, every generation
has their time period wherethey learn how to use new tech
and then it becomes part of thebackground.
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That's what you hope it does.
Um, I don't think social mediais entirely bad.
I think people don't know howto use social media.
I think most people don't knowhow to use social media.
So um I think, and then I'lljust agree with you on this
part.
I think the more you bansomething, the more likely they
will find a way.
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Because I don't think that'sthe right way to go about it
either.
That it just isn't.
And just like alcoholic sites,like if you go to any alcohol
site, you have to put in youryour birth date.
You could, I could put in anybirth date.
You know what I mean?
It doesn't matter.
But again, like what you said,there they they can say, look at
we're not we're not advertisingto, you know, advertising, they
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advertise plenty, but you kidscan't come on our website and
order alcohol.
Yeah, you can.
You just lie about your age,you know what I mean?
Like and grab somebody's creditcard or whatever.
So yeah, go ahead.
Andrea (29:56):
I agree with you about sort of the state of being a
young person today and how theydon't get to play outside.
I think I've said this to youmany, many times.
It's one of like the saddestparts about being a parent now
is that the kids just don't havethat level of freedom to go
outside and they they don't goout because there's nobody else
out there.
You know what I mean?
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And I don't know, you weresaying like when did it start?
Why did it why did it happen?
I don't know, but like you sendyour kids outside, they're
like, all right, you know, I'mgonna like dig in the dirt or
whatever, but there's no no oneelse is coming out to play
kickball or whatever, you know,they're the only ones out there.
Um, so it is just a reallyweird thing, this lack of
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freedom that they have.
Um, and I think it has reallywide-ranging effects, just from
you know, being able to stand upfor yourself, being able to
make decisions about, you know,like one of the things you
talked about was play dates.
And I always say, like, yeah,it all has to be arranged by the
parents, right?
Whereas when we were kids, yougo over to someone's house and
you're bored, tired, you don'tlike what's happening, you don't
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like the kid who just showedup, you leave.
You leave.
You get to, you know what Imean?
And that's all of that socialstuff that happens, and some of
it's not good for sure, but youfigure it out, and that's part
of like, at least it was part ofour growing up process that we
don't have.
And I think that there is, youknow, it teaches them a level of
discernment that you know thatthey don't really have.
Um, and that plays into sort ofhow things are with social
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media, but um, yeah, I mean, Ilook, uh, all of my feelings
about it are still there, but I100% agree.
Banning it is not gonna doanything, right?
And I realize my position on itis like old woman with a horse
and buggy going like, I don'twant these new fangled
automobiles, you know.
But um, but that's the way Ifeel about it.
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And you know, um, but I knowit's not going anywhere.
I just think that you know,these companies and the people
who own them and run them arefucking terrible for society and
for individuals.
Carmen Lezeth (31:58):
So and I and look at it, I agree with you there.
I I think also adults um haveproblems with social media, it's
not just kids, right?
I mean, people don't know howto use so I can't tell you how
many times I'll go look atInstagram and I'll have like 17
emails and uh DMs, right?
Direct messages from people whoare just reposting things that
they think I'm interested in.
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Like it's become a joke.
I tell people to stop sendingme all of these videos.
So what happens is like let'ssay somebody sees a clip of you
and me, right?
Because I send out uh clips ofus on social media, and let's
say they think your mom mightlike it or whatever, so they're
resending uh a clip, you know.
The the problem with that is Idon't have time, first of all, I
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don't have it on my phone.
Like, that's the first thingpeople should know about social
media.
If you take it off of yourphone, you're not going to be on
it all day.
Because it is addictive.
It is addictive.
It's fun to keep seeing whatpeople are doing or whatever.
And I'm like, I first of all, Idon't have the time.
And secondly, I don't want tobe addictive.
I want to see people I want totalk to, I want to set up time
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to have.
If I'm gonna be using socialmedia like we are now, I want it
to be intentional with thepeople I know or want to get to
know.
Or I think we have to look atit with the benefits, understand
how it is manipulative.
Look, it I know I keep usingthe microwave as an example, and
it's because I don't use amicrowave.
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And the and it's not for anyother reason except that I
don't, I'm not a big cook, butif I'm gonna cook, I'm gonna use
my oven and I'm gonna use thestovetop, right?
But if I was continually usingthe microwave to make eggs, to
toast my bread, to right.
If I was continuously alwaysjust using the microwave, that
is bad food.
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It's yucky food.
You can't use the microwavethat way.
Okay, and I I don't use themicrowave, so every time I once
in a while, I'd be like, okay,that's that don't put bread in
the microwave.
You know, I'd be like, okay,got it, understood.
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm talking about.
I hate to be so like small andpetty about it, but the
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microwave is the best example Ican use.
Like, it's not as you know,harmful to me or whatever as
maybe social media is to ouryoung kids and to adults, but
it's kind of the same idea.
You know, I had to learn how touse it, especially if I choose
not to use it.
That's okay.
I don't have to use it.
But when I do use it, I knowwhat it's for now.
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I get it.
And if I don't know, I Iresearch it, you know, or I call
someone who knows how to cookand I say, should I do A, B, C,
and D?
And I think that's what we'velost.
We've lost the ability to kindof conceptualize that this is a
piece of tech and how do we useit in our home?
Because it's not doing the samething that television did or
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microwaves did or whatever.
It it hasn't plateaued.
We haven't figured out how touse it correctly yet.
And I think it's going to takea much longer time for people to
figure that out.
But in the meantime, the thingI do like about what Australia
is doing is it's making us havethe conversation.
I do.
I know what you're saying, butthey only have so much power and
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ability to do this withoutanybody else doing it.
And that's why I appreciatedwhat they're trying to do.
It's to make us have theseconversations.
Andrea (35:18):
Yeah.
And I, well, look, I I do thinkit goes back to the parents,
right?
I mean, what you're talkingabout in terms of usage, right?
My kids are on social media,right?
I don't like it.
I'm on social media, right?
Like I don't want my kids to beon it.
Even if you don't want to be,you are because I tag you all
the time.
Right.
But I do have myself veryspecific ways that I use it and
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don't use it.
And I, you know, and I'm notmother of the year, I don't have
any of this figured out, but Ialso talk to my kids about it ad
nauseum to the point where theydon't want to hear it anymore,
about being critical about it.
This is what these companiesare trying to do, this is how
they're trying to do it, this iswhy, this is what the creators
are trying to do and how andwhy.
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And so when you are using it,you need to be aware of that,
right?
And we have those kinds ofconversations about it.
They will always come and showme, hey, look at this, you know,
and then there's a couple oftimes where they will show me
something, I'm like, that's AI.
And sometimes I show themthings and they're like, that's
AI.
Carmen Lezeth (36:20):
That's a whole other conversation that maybe we
can have another time about AIand how that's really making it
harder.
Andrea (36:26):
You have to be in conversation, and this goes back
to one of our many runningthemes, which is you have to be
thinking critically and beintentional about things.
Carmen Lezeth (36:35):
If you're a parent and your kids on social
media, I just want you tounderstand that for kids, that's
their going outside.
That's why they would rather beon their phones than sitting
with you at dinner and orwatching TV with you or a movie.
Because we used to be outsideall day.
We would like I, as much as Iloved the adults in my life, I
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didn't want to sit with them andwatch a movie.
I would rather be outsidehanging on the street corner,
doing my thing, talking to myfriends about nothing.
That's how they socialize.
That's how they're socialize.
Yeah, yeah.
Andrea (37:09):
And that's uh it's not to make excuses, it's just
factual.
Yeah, it is that's the way thatit is right now.
Yeah.
So like it or not.
Carmen Lezeth (37:17):
All right, let's get back to the good stuff
because Andrea, let's talk aboutyour Hallmark issues.
Okay, so how was your weekwatching Holly?
Um, what is it?
Uh, Hallmark Christmas movies,right?
I sent you some.
You sent me some.
Well, I saw, did we talk aboutthe Henry Winkler one on the
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show?
Henry Winkler.
Well, you and I no, no, I don'tthink we talked about it last
week, did we?
No, no, I think we didn't talkabout it last week because last
week was Thanksgiving, right?
I think you saw it in between,didn't you?
Yeah, yeah.
So what was your feeling aboutit?
I think we emailed each otherbecause you told me I watched
it.
But why don't you give ouraudience your flavor on the and
I forget the name of it?
Andrea (37:56):
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (37:57):
It doesn't it doesn't matter what the names
are.
It's like it's like oh wait,no, no, there's a song.
It's the Henry Winkler one withuh Warren Christie, and we'll
just put his picture up just soeveryone can get a look again.
There he is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And um, okay, what was yourfeeling?
It's something to do withChristmas, and it's the Henry
Winkler one from 2008.
Andrea (38:18):
Yeah, yeah.
So the yeah, it it was good.
I liked Henry Winkler'scharacter, and I like I think
I'd said to you, I wanted moreinteraction with the two of
them.
I thought their interaction wasreally cool and funny.
Um, and it was, you know, itwas pretty good, I thought.
As far as the genre goes, um,there weren't any parts that
were completely and totallycringe, but um right, but it's
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kind of like the standardHallmark movie, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (38:45):
Okay, what else have you seen, or what else have
you been feeling aboutHallmark?
I've watched one for people whodon't realize you're new to
Hallmark, that's why we're we'rekind of talking about it.
You're I'm new to the family,yeah.
Andrea (38:58):
I mean, I was I'm pretty deeply in the Netflix Christmas
movie world, so I've gotseveral of those that I've seen,
and a new one yesterday thatwas really terrible.
But um what was it?
I don't know.
Um but it was one of theseones.
Okay, this actually this is aquestion that I have.
All right, it was one of theseones where like the girl is
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engaged and her fiance dumpsher, so she hires an actor to go
home with her for the holidaysand pretend to be her fiance
because she doesn't want herfamily to and I'm like, and this
is kind of a theme in a lot ofthese movies, right?
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There was one I watched whereum it was kind of like oh, it
was like uh the Christmascontract or something where the
girl was going home and for somereason her best friend's
brother went with her and actedlike and it's like what is going
on with people's families thatThey mean to have a fake fiance.
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Like, I don't understand that,but that's definitely an ongoing
theme in these movies.
So that was the one I watchedlast night.
Was you know, and so she hiresthe actor, the fiance comes
back, right?
Lo and behold, she's fallen inlove with the actor, and he's
fallen in love with her and herfamily, of course.
Um, Shelly Long was the mother,and she was a fucking bitch, I
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have to say.
Like, some of this is why I'mlike, is this what's happening
at the holidays for people?
Carmen Lezeth (40:30):
Aren't some of the ones with with like the like
where you I mean, those arekind of the ones I always send
you where there's somebody who'san old school actor, you know
what I mean, in it because Ilove those.
Whether Tenry Winkler or thewoman from I forget what that
show is.
I sent you another one, and youprobably haven't seen it yet
because I don't think it's comeup.
Andrea (40:47):
Oh, there's one.
Carmen Lezeth (40:48):
Oh, I think I knew Sean Cassidy's mother,
whatever her name was.
Andrea (40:52):
That's the one you told me to record, and I forgot to
record it.
Carmen Lezeth (40:54):
But that's okay.
But what's her name though?
Shirley Jones.
Right.
So there's one that she's inthat I sent you.
I love those are the ones Ilove when you see those.
So Shelley Long.
Yeah, I know which one you'retalking about.
Andrea (41:05):
And she was so mean to the daughter.
And I'm like, okay, well, thisis why they're hiring actors to
pretend to be their fiancé.
She's like, Don't blow this.
You know, 30, 30 is long, youknow, you're whatever, you're
well past 30.
Like, you need to, and I waslike, Well, some of those are
also old, I think.
Yeah, that one was a littleolder.
Um, because I watched one lastnight on Hallmark with the
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commercials and everything thatwas pretty stupid, but um, it
was about a lady that was like aglassblower.
Have you seen oh, that one wasso bad.
I was so bad.
Carmen Lezeth (41:37):
Okay, wait, isn't that really bad?
So bad.
It's so bad, and like, and thenand then she's like, she's going
to um, she's hiding who shereally is as a designer, so she
creates a different name.
Right.
I think what drives me like atleast they're trying a different
storyline.
Andrea (41:56):
I think that's something that's true.
Well, and I get like, you know,I don't know what year that was
made, but as I was like recent,like 2023.
Carmen Lezeth (42:05):
That's recent.
Andrea (42:06):
Was it?
Okay.
I try to like figure it outsometimes by like the makeup and
the hairstyles.
And I look at it and I'm like,and I just, you know, it's like
a little game that I'm playingwith myself as I'm like, okay,
that's pre-COVID.
Like, look at those eyebrows.
Carmen Lezeth (42:20):
Uh I mean, maybe, but I you know what?
Because I you know what?
I don't know.
I I should be careful.
People don't think I'm like aHallmark expert.
But I think it's recent, andthe reason why is because the
guy in that, the way he looks,the guy, the guy.
Yeah, I'm like, I can't evenremember the guy, but yeah, but
he's a he's a regular.
So here's here here's what Iwant to explain to you, which
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you're already trying to figure,you're already figuring out.
Hallmark, I'm not saying thisis what they do, but this is
what it feels like.
I'm not sure.
But Hallmark seems to makecontracts with their actors, so
they are the same actors and allof the movies.
You're gonna see the same guys,and I was just on somebody's
Instagram, one of the one of theguys on the show who I don't
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follow on Instagram.
Uh totally follow on Instagram,but it's so cool because all of
they're all friends, yeah,they're not even on the same
movies, but they're just and youcan, and I was going through it
for you know, because I was uhresearching for this topic of
conversation.
But it's so cool because likethey're all really, really good
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friends, and it's kind of goesback to that whole Hollywood
system when the studio I wasjust thinking that.
Andrea (43:30):
It's like studios.
Oh my gosh, that's so it's kindof cool.
Carmen Lezeth (43:33):
I mean, in that sense, it seems kind of cool.
But what ends up happening isevery time you see an actor on a
on a movie, I'm like, oh wow,okay.
So this is a recent one becauseI can see how much he's aged,
right?
That's why I know that this isa more recent one.
I don't know if it's before.
When I say more recent, I meanlike five years, you know, three
to five years.
Because that's some of them youcan see them when they're
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really young.
You know what I mean?
Andrea (43:55):
Yeah, I think that one with the actor fiance was from
like 2011 or something.
It was pretty old.
Carmen Lezeth (44:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of themes, like I the okay,
the ones I can't stand.
I just have to say this, andI've watched them, but I can't
stand them.
The whole princess thing, youknow, like somebody is royalty
and then they find a commonerwho's a seamstress or a I don't
know what like what is ourobsession with royalty?
(44:23):
It's a weird one, and falling inlove.
Andrea (44:25):
There's a Brooke Shields one where she's like goes to a
castle in Scotland, and like Ithink the guy who has the castle
is like a Duke or something.
I mean, it's just still likebut it's fun to.
Carmen Lezeth (44:39):
I mean, I think what's really great about it,
again, it goes back to thisthing for me, like food.
I know that macaroni and cheeseis probably not the best thing
for me to be eating, but boy,when I eat it, it feels really
comfortable, you know what Imean?
And I smile and I laugh.
And what I like about it is Idon't have to put too much brain
information into it.
Like I went and saw um Wickedfor Good the other day, which
(45:02):
well, I saw it when it firstcame out, and I loved it, but I
was totally into it.
And I was like, you know, andit I loved it, but it took a
lot.
Andrea (45:10):
But Hallmark movies are just it's like you can have it
on in the background and youknow, be doing something else.
And I, you know, at this pointnow it's like a little bit of a
game, like, okay, do we have adead parent?
Or if they're not dead, arethey on a cruise this year?
Carmen Lezeth (45:28):
Oh, the cruise is a new thing, by the way.
This is this is like a new thecruise thing is driving me up a
wall.
That's happened too many timesnow.
Andrea (45:34):
Yeah, you know, but there's all those sort of tropes
where I'm like, okay, check.
Carmen Lezeth (45:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Um I've noticed like the bakerystuff has kind of like you're
like if you're watching bakerythings, those are older
Hallmarks.
Like now, now it's like arestaurant or a you know, we we
own a restaurant, our familyowns a restaurant, or they own a
store, a country mart, orsomething.
You know what I mean?
Like they're trying to change itup a bit.
Andrea (46:00):
There was one I watched, I think this was a Netflix one
also, um, where she had a candystore slash bakery, I guess.
And it was the the loveinterest was an actor who was in
town shooting a movie orsomething like that.
Carmen Lezeth (46:15):
Because he's trying to be learn to be a ranch
hand or something.
Well, no, I saw that one.
I saw that one too.
Okay.
I think I watched that one overthe weekend.
I'm confusing them now.
That's so funny.
Andrea (46:32):
No, but this one was actually really funny because
the the the story was that hegot really bad service and he
gave her a bad review.
So then they were like goingback and forth on the review,
like it was like a Yelp type ofthing or whatever.
So it was like modern becausethey were oh they were like the
Yelp thing or whatever, like ohthat's funny.
Carmen Lezeth (46:51):
Yeah, oh god.
They are fun though, and Ithink um I I I think I told you
there's also there's a lot offree ones on YouTube, so you
don't have to have Netflix orwhatever.
For some reason, Hallmark, allof these kind of there's also
like the Great American Channelor Great American Family,
whatever.
There's a lot of them that theyput some of the older movies
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out there for free, which Ididn't notice until I was like,
let me try to find some for youthat you might want to enjoy.
Um, and let me ask you this: what do you think makes a good (47:17):
undefined
Hallmark movie at this stagewhile you're kind of dipping
your toe into it?
Andrea (47:26):
Well, I'm you know, I'm beginning to be a connoisseur.
So what makes a good one?
Um definitely good actors andgood writing, right?
Like just some not super canneddialogue, I think, is helpful.
Um but I think I think you haveto have some of the tropes,
(47:49):
right?
Like you can't just dosomething completely new because
that's not what we want.
We know we definitely need thealmost kiss and you know, all of
those kinds of things.
So I think I don't know.
That's a really good question.
What to think about that?
But I am a little over theprincess y stuff.
Yeah, that's it.
Um I don't mind a bakery, I'mfine with a bakery.
(48:09):
Um you know what I well, I oneof my favorite ones that I just
saw this year was um single allthe way, so it's like a gay um
story.
Oh, yeah, I did see that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that that because it'ssomething different, you know.
I'd like to maybe see somethingwhere it's flipped and like
it's more about the guy and hiswhole thing, you know.
(48:30):
Um yeah, I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (48:33):
They're fun.
Yeah, um, I, you know, look atI I know what I don't like in
some of the Hallmark movies.
Um, and that's basically whenwhen it's done badly, when you
can just, I mean, how do I saythis?
Because I don't want to dissall the actors and writers and
all the people on these crews,because they just churn these
movies out, right?
(48:54):
This isn't like, you know,they're not trying to do
Shakespeare.
But I know for myself, I haveno like I don't have a
preference as to what thestoryline is because I'm
watching it not just asbackground, but as not heavy
information.
So yeah, the bakery or even theprincess thing.
I mean, I've watched them, butit kills me because I'm like,
(49:15):
why?
Like I would never want to goto a castle and you know what I
mean, whatever.
Um, I think the thing thatbothers me probably the most is
the lack of diversity all thetime.
Yeah.
So now that they aren't like,and I don't just mean we need
more black people or we needmore, like, I don't want black
people who are acting white.
I'll give you an example.
(49:35):
I'll give an example.
I'll give you an example.
So they do have what you mean,but go ahead.
But I'm gonna explain it.
Okay, so like I don't want justlike a black person who's okay,
she's gonna get ready and andshe's gonna go to bed, and
though she's gonna go to bed andshe's gonna lay down and like
this.
Because the truth is a blackwoman gonna put on a silk wrap
(49:56):
on her head.
Like, that's a simple thing.
That's like a simple thing.
That's and it's not that it hasto be cultural, but it has to
be real to all of us.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like you see theyou you see the two couples who
are like the the the the the twomen who are uh a gay couple,
you know, like and I love thatthey let them kiss or whatever,
but that would be weird if theywere just like like you're you
(50:20):
don't want to hide what thetruth is.
So I always think about that.
Like, can we let people ofcolor can and like Asian people
are not represented in Hallmarkmovies?
I would love to see some name,you know.
Then this isn't about DEI andall your fucking woke
bullshittery.
This is about reflecting all ofus in these really fun, simple
(50:42):
ways, you know.
And like, I'm not saying all,by the way, I'm not saying all
black people wear silk wrap.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying there are simplethings that I notice when they
do kind of install a person ofcolor.
And I'm like, okay, she wouldnever do that, she would never
wear that.
That is not even true.
And what it does is it takes meout of the movie, it takes me
out of it, you know what I mean?
(51:03):
Um, and I also think it's nottrue.
I mean, a lot of it is not truebecause not everyone works at a
bakery, but you know what I'msaying.
Yeah, you know, um so thatwould be kind of something I
love that they Hallmark did whatthey did, and I hope they get
all their viewers back, youknow, not the viewers that don't
want to be there.
And that's kind of the politicsbehind stuff that you don't
(51:26):
know.
Yeah.
Um, that uh we'll talk aboutsome other time.
But you mentioned that lasttime.
No, but I mean, like I'm I'mgonna tell you like some ghetto
version.
I'm I'm uh, you know, down abit for you know, you but in my
ghetto version, you know.
But yeah, no, I'm glad you'reenjoying it, and we'll touch
base with you, you know.
(51:46):
We don't always have to talkabout a homework, but I'm always
curious what you're watching.
Andrea (51:49):
So I haven't even watched, you know, we all have
our like sort of traditionalChristmas movies that we watch,
right?
Like, I haven't watched any ofthose at all.
I watched the sound of musicthe other day, I was in tears
because I haven't seen it in solong.
Carmen Lezeth (52:02):
Oh my god, it was so beautiful.
But you're saying you haven'teven watched some of those yet.
Andrea (52:06):
I haven't watched any of those.
We always watch WhiteChristmas, which is like a
little bit of a hate watch forme sometimes.
But I know, I know.
But um, and I do like it's awonderful life.
The kids don't like it, but Istill watch it.
And then also kind of dated,but it's still good.
I still will watch some of theum like the Rudolph ones, those
like Claymation.
I don't think it's calledwhatever they are, the puppets
(52:26):
or I just love those.
Carmen Lezeth (52:28):
So you know what though?
Can I say there's somethingalso weird about this?
Might just be a me thing.
I want to turn on my TV and itbe on and be like, oh my god.
As opposed to having itrecorded and then watching it.
Like, is that weird?
Like, I like some things thatare just live happening.
(52:50):
Does that make sense?
Andrea (52:51):
Yeah, well, I remember like with all you know, like the
peanuts Christmas show orwhatever.
Like, there were like it waslike it was on it's gonna be on
uh on you know Wednesday the18th at 8 o'clock, and you
either sat down and watched itor you miss it until you missed
it.
Yeah, like that was it, youwere not gonna see it.
And there was like one of theRudolphs was my favorite, the
one with like the heat miser orwhatever.
(53:12):
Oh that was my favorite one.
Carmen Lezeth (53:15):
And if I missed it, heat miser and Mr.
Hot.
Right, uh Mr.
Sun.
Andrea (53:20):
I love that one.
Yeah, yeah.
If you missed it, it's like Iyou don't get to see it for a
whole year.
Like it was such a big deal.
Like you had to be prepared.
Carmen Lezeth (53:29):
Um, Mr.
Hundred One.
They call me Heat Miser.
Whatever I touched didn'tmelted in my clutch or some.
I'm too much.
Okay, we're gonna end on thatbecause that's gonna be in my
head the whole time.
Thank you.
That was so much fun.
(53:50):
Now that you know, now I haveto go find that movie.
That was fun.
Yeah, um, all right.
Well, everyone, thank you forhanging out.
And um, remember, at the end ofthe day, it really is all about
the joy.
We'll see you next time.
Bye, everyone.
Thanks for stopping by, AllAbout the Joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
(54:10):
Have a sweet day.
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