All That To Say

All That To Say

In each episode, All That to Say engages fresh minds on the front lines of what matters. From cable news to incarceration, global warming to gospel music, economics to income inequality, this podcast fearlessly confronts the paradoxes of truth, the paradigms of culture, and the presence of the Divine.


December 6, 2022 70 min

In this long-form conversation Shirley Hoogstra, president of the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities, takes a deep dive into the generational and contemporary benefits of faith-based higher education. She reflects on her own unlikely full-circle journey from Calvin College through law school and private law practice, and finally back to Christian university leadership. 

She discusses her advocacy work in Washington D...

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In this long-form conversation Geremy Dixon, lead pastor of Center of Hope LA, reflects on the unique opportunities of ministering in the diverse microcosm of Los Angeles. He talks frankly about deep racial and political divides, why the church at large has lost the trust of the community, and how it might gain it back through reconciliation. “We have to be so comfortable with the presence of the Holy Spirit,” he says, “that we are...

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In this frank, in-depth conversation, criminal justice advocate John Koufos recounts his personal relationship with the criminal justice system – first as the son of an incarcerated father, then as a high-powered lawyer in New Jersey, and later through his own experience with alcoholism and incarceration. 

Hear him discuss his ongoing justice reform work, beginning with the New Jersey Reentry Corporation, into the Texas-based Safe ...

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In this in-depth conversation, Bob Dalton, founder and CEO of Sackcloth & Ashes, tells the origin story of the organization he founded after his own mother experienced homelessness. And he talks about “Blanket the United States,” a campaign to donate 1 million blankets to homeless shelters and programs by 2024, which to date has garnered national partnerships from like-minded companies like Subaru, Churchill Mortgage, and KB Ho...

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October 11, 2022 65 min

In this episode, Rev. Dr. Que English, Director of the Center for Faith-Based & Neighborhood Partnerships at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, joins us for a fearless, in-depth conversation about her work tackling some of the most pressing social issues of our time. 

 Listen in as she reflects on her upbringing in Spanish Harlem, and how her personal exposure to things like addiction, HIV AIDS, and mental health...

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From skateboarding to spelunking to Bible college: In this long-form conversation, BibleProject co-founders Tim Mackie and Jon Collins tell the origin story of their nonprofit, crowdfunded organization that produces 100% free Bible videos, podcasts, blogs, and more.  


They reveal the behind-the-scenes exegetical, creative, and technical processes it takes to serve up their one-of-a-kind world-class animations and other content. A...

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In this long-form conversation Kevin Palau, president and CEO of the Luis Palau Association, reflects on the historic ministry of his Argentinian-born father, who trained and participated in Billy Graham crusades, and led similar crusades throughout Latin America. 

He talks about new ways of telling the story of Jesus in a modern society, and how today that mission is just as much about transforming the individual as it is about “t...

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In this long-form conversation Steve Arterburn, founder and chairman of New Life Ministries, dives deep into his life’s journey through loss, grief, mental health issues, and shame and into freedom and redemption. 

He speaks frankly about his own experiences confronting abortion, human sexuality, homosexuality, and toxic leadership and abuse in the church. And he discusses some of his most-loved books including Healing is a Choice,...

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In this intimate, long-form conversation, Bill and Gloria Gaither reflect on their 55-year, international Christan music ministry, from writing gospel songs in their Indiana living room to singing for millions across the globe. Hear how they fell in love over poetry, and how “the stewardship of fusing words” is still core to their ministry.  

They also tell the origin stories of beloved Gaither songs like “Because He Lives” and “Th...

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In this long-form conversation, USAID’s faith-based office director Adam Phillips talks about his journey in faith-rooted advocacy that ultimately led him to a position in the Biden-Harris Administration.  

From Guatemala to Ethiopia, from clean water to COVID, Phillips discusses his work identifying and coordinating with embedded faith communities around the world that are the “last mile,” as he says, “loving their neighbor as the...

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In this inspiring, long-form conversation, Sseko Designs founder and social entrepreneur Liz Forkin Bohannon tells the story of how her fair-trade, by-women-for-women lifestyle brand literally began on the back of a motorcycle in Uganda.

 She also discusses her book Beginner’s Pluck: Build Your Life of Purpose and Impact Now, why she believes leaders need to “channel their inner beginner,” and how gender inequality is just as damag...

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December 14, 2021 62 min

In this in-depth conversation, CityServe’s vice president of children & youth initiatives Lynn Johnson recounts her journey from a pardon and parole officer to being tapped for a position in the Department of Health and Human Services under the Trump administration. 

Hear her describe in detail the state of the foster care system in America, and her firmly-held belief that real change can happen when government, churches, non-p...

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The guest for this episode is a Jordanian refugee we call “Samir.” After converting to Christianity as a teenager, he was questioned by the secret police and forced to flee the 97% Sunni Muslim country because of threats to his life and his family. In this in-depth conversation, Samir discussed his experience of how 14 centuries of culture, poverty, and ignorance have fed a distorted view of God that has led to suffering, hate, and...

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In this intimate conversation, Immigrant Connection executive director Zach Szamara tells the story of how a two-week assignment in Logansport, Indiana evolved into a life passion that has affected thousands of U.S. immigrant families, refugees, asylum seekers, and dreamers. From offering start-up immigration legal services in his local church to 18 locations coast-to-coast, the non-partisan Immigrant Connection has become a trail ...

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In this episode, we sit down for an intimate conversation with Steve Brallier, lead author of Mitka’s Secret: A True Story of Child Slavery and Surviving the Holocaust. Listen in as he traces his unlikely career path from director of information for Anderson University; to concert promoter with the William Morris Agency representing gospel megastars like Bill Gaither and Amy Grant; to storyteller and author. 

Hear him relay the hea...

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In this long-form conversation, General Superintendent Emerita and Ambassador of The Wesleyan Church Jo Anne Lyon talks about the life and work of John Wesley who, much like Jesus, ministered at the intersection of spiritual, cultural, and political change. It’s in that light she reflects on the question of the church’s role in policy, as well as her participation as a member of the Council on Faith in the World Economic Forum, exa...

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In this intimate conversation, author, Bible teacher, and spoken-word artist Hosanna Wong offers reflections on the global pandemic as it relates to faith, loss, leadership, and where we go from here.  

 The daughter of a heroin addict and Chinese gang member in San Francisco, she recounts her father’s transformation through faith, the impact of his loss, and how she met that loss with “the only thing I knew how to do,” which was p...

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In this in-depth interview author, leadership coach, and CEO of Building Champions, Daniel Harkavy sits down to talk surfing, growing up Jewish, and the responsibilities of influence in the modern world. 

Learn how a serious accident fueled this self-described Hebrew school dropout’s search for meaning, his conversion to Christianity, and the path to love and partnership with his wife of 33 years. And how the consciousness of his o...

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Director of Strategic Partnerships for the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) David Austin sits down for a fearless conversation about the real consequences of hunger, and the potential of power to solve world hunger and create positive change on a global scale.

In this interview David identifies hunger as a major driver of social and political upheaval, the immigration crisis, and more. He connects the dots between food and...

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In this interview, Noel Castellanos, founder and president of Camino Alliance, recounts his upbringing as the son of migrant workers, his experience of disenfranchisement as a young Latinx in Texas, and his first introduction to Jesus at a Young Life camp.

Learn how his personal life experience – and his experience working with poor and marginalized populations in the inner city of Chicago – has caused him to examine the immigratio...

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