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April 26, 2022 52 mins

We're excited to bring you Esmé Weijun Wang, New York Times bestselling author of The Collected Schizophrenias and the novel The Border of Paradise, which was called a Best Book of 2016, by NPR. Esme is in conversation with Brandon Taylor, author of the national bestseller Filthy Animals, which won the 2022 Story Prize and was a finalist for the Dylan Thomas Prize, and his first novel, Real Life, which was a finalist for the 2020 Booker Prize and was named a New York Times Notable Book.

Don't miss out, Esmé's new nonfiction writing school, The Unexpected Shape Writing Academy, is open for registration through May 8. You can learn more about it at

In a heart-warming reunion, these two friends detail how their shared passion for film photography helps their writing, why they miss the early days of Twitter and what surprises are in store for their editor as they work on their latest novels. Prepare to be surprised, as well.

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