January 19, 2025 • 40 mins
We delve into the intersection of discipline and freedom, illustrating how adhering to routines in both sports and life can lead to liberation.
From the unexpected effectiveness of small exercises to the relentless drive required to seize every opportunity, the episode covers the mindset of success across various domains, including real estate.
Personal stories and experiences underscore the importance of focusing on the minutiae and attacking every challenge head-on.
Whether it's traveling on a whim for a new venture or shadowing professionals to gain insights, the tenacity to "attack everything" is the underlying theme driving this conversation.
Lets discuss the necessity of embracing challenges as agents of growth, drawing inspiration from athletes like Shaquiri Richardson who have faced and triumphed over setbacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know.
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So when I see an athlete like an Olympian or
somebody and I say the worldgives hope, like Shaquille
Richardson, oh yeah, it becamelike people are making it black
and white thing, a racist thing,and that could have been what
it is, right.
I wasn't getting into that.
My viewpoint on it.
My viewpoint on it was I saidif she's able to live in the
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pain the right way, because it'sgoing to be real uncomfortable,
like the world just kind ofturned on you, that hurts, so
like, if she's able to likeovercome this, I think she's
going to be a beast Because nowshe's going to realize what it
is like, how people really arewith the games and she's not
going to go too high.
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No more, she's not going to gotoo low, she's going to be right
here where everybody sayingthey love her.
It's not going to faze her, nomore.
Because she knows that's nottrue.
Anyway she knows becauseeveryone goes through it, that
goes through some type ofsuccess in that regard.
But you can't.
It's like they say I think etmay have said it or ink may have
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said it, but the um, no, it'sink.
He said you can't, you don'tturn 21 until you're 21.
Like that's just, that's thereality of it.
Like you can't, certain thingsare going to come when they come
.
So like, even for little james,you can say stuff to him, I can
say stuff to him.
I can say stuff to him, butthere's a season when it's going
to take its own path and it'sgoing to manifest for him.
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So with Shaquiri, I'm like,look, she needs this cut, she
needs that.
Like she's going to need that.
So now, when those other momentscome about and let's say she
wins a race by 0.001 andsomebody tried to say oh,
because this or that happened,I'm like no, she won that race
five years ago when y'all hurther feelings and the world
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turned against her and she hadto go through that and she had
to rebuild herself.
That's when she won that race.
So you know, that's why Iusually like if an athlete going
through something or evenpeople in life for that matter
you just got to like I guess youneed to be there for them a
little bit, but you just got tolet them know like you can swim,
you're going to swim and if youswim, if you're able to save
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yourself, you're going to be awhole different person on the
other side of it.
They're not going to be able tostop you.
And she clearly went on the runlast year.
I think it was last year, right.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, because we were remember we were driving down
to DC that night when all thatstuff was going on, with her
getting removed from the Olympicsquad, yeah, and we talked
about.
We were talking about the folksaround her and the opportunity
that not that she lost, but Iguess when you put in
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perspective that was just asetup.
You know, god has this amazingway of setting you up for
something bigger.
Because isn't it wild that thisolympic she became the poster
child of track and field, likeshe went from the us committees
removing her from the race tothis olympics.
She was on every commercial,every interview, because she
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turned her whole life, she did acomplete 180 and that's a.
God has an amazing way ofsetting up for something bigger
you gotta go through the fight.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I don't care what it is, you got it.
Ah, I don't know.
He just got personal.
You got to get the fire man.
No, because that's something Irealized in the last year.
Oh yeah, I know.
You look at what you pray forand the things you want, and
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then you see all the thingsthat's going around and it makes
no sense.
But then you kind of sit downand you reflect and you're like
it actually does make sense.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It makes sense.
You just can't connect the dotsreal time.
You got to connect the dotswhen you look back, but when
you're in it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, oh, when you're in it, yeah, I feel like Mike
Tyson throwing haymakers.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
A few Mike Tysons.
You look to your left, there'slike Mike Tyson throwing
haymakers.
A few Mike Tysons.
You look to your left, there'sa Mike Tyson.
You look to your right, there'sa Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And that's the Mike Tyson that was fighting Jake
Paul.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is Tyson 89.
This is 90 Tyson.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
The one that ain't had no shoes on, no socks.
Fight people ears.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, that's the Mike Tyson.
You were going to punch them,not the one that was biting
their phone.
But you remember all that.
You know you have your winningseason and then you remember you
had your winning season right.
So you have your winning seasonand then you have your
complicated season.
We just call it complicated,but you learn about yourself and
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the complications, because whenyou're winning and you make
money and you do all that otherstuff, you make your money and
you feel good and you deposit inthe bank and you feel good like
I did that.
I made that happen.
But you really learn aboutyourself when you're facing your
Tysons.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Bernard.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Hockett.
You wouldn't know about BernardHockett.
He's a trainer.
His son's name is JaleelHackett.
His son's a boxer from DC,actually I think he's 91 just
lost his fight.
But he can go though.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But Bernard was like was it the executioner Bernard
or somebody else?
No, his name is Bernard Hackettoh, hackett, I thought you said
Hopkins.
Alright, go ahead he had said.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It was like a person.
He was talking about the goodand bad days.
He was like the good days keepyou coming back.
The bad days are when you learnyour lessons.
Paraphrasing that's essentiallywhat he said, because you know
they talk about boxing, saying,yeah, you're going to have your
good days and those days are theones that's going to keep you
motivated.
But the bad days is when youreally grow, like those are the
days you really grow.
Good days is just, those aredays you really grow.
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Good days is just, you know,those are days that inspire you.
Oh, I can do this, but inbetween those it's those days
where all the lessons come andthen you got processed those,
you got figured those out andstuff like that, and then you'll
have a good day, and thenyou're like, oh okay, yeah
everybody.
I can't think of an athlete, aperson in general, who hasn't
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Like just you can look at Kobe.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
He lost in 08, I think it was to the Celtics,
yeah blew out his Achilles, likeI mean, yeah, they all got,
it's the toll you pay.
Like it's the toll you pay,everybody's got to pay the toll.
Everybody's got to pay the toll, everybody's got to pay the
toll.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You just don't know the price you're gonna pay you
just gotta know how much thetoll is.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know, matt, like if you drive up to a toll, you
know it's like four dollars,five dollars, yeah, life's toll.
You drive up it's a questionmark and you show up there like
like two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know it's like and look, if you want to keep
that comparative, you want tokeep that analogy going on and
put in your GPS where you wantto go.
It don't tell you the time itdon't tell you how many detours.
It don't tell you if it'ssomewhere on a roadblock ahead.
It don't tell you that thatbridge collapsed.
You got to go there.
It, don't tell you?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, you're right.
It don't tell you your E-ZPassdon't work so you're going to
get a letter in the mail we knowabout those letters, what?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Here's the thing.
Yeah, I tell somebody to justgo, though, because I think you
get to the point where I thinkthe best thing you can do is
just be so blind and ignorantand going into something
sometimes that you get so farthat you can't turn back, like I
think that's the best, likethat's probably the best spot to
be in, because, like all of thestuff you see doesn't look like
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you about to hit that goal, butyou didn't came too far anyway
you're in it now be like if i'malose right now, I'd rather lose
in the end and then be like man.
I tried.
Then to be like I went this farand then I turned back around.
So sometimes you just got tojump in and be like just keep
swinging, swinging, swinging.
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It's in a moment.
You're like man, I don't knowif I want to do this.
But then you look back at howfar you came.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You're like that's too far, though know how bad is
all this?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
keep going at this point, so yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I was, um, I was working with somebody in the
business, right, and they didsomething.
They did something bad.
And I remember getting a callthat like, like, basically like
15 or something like that, ofthe business that I built over
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that year was going to go awaybecause of what they did.
And I remember, sitting thereI'm doing the math on the money,
I'm like all this stuff, right,and I'm on this phone and I'm
having this out of bodyexperience, like I'm listening
to this conversation and I feellike I'm watching myself listen
to this conversation.
And it's one thing when you dosomething, it's another thing
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when somebody else doessomething that affects you.
But you have to live with theoutcome of it, right, and I get
off that phone call and I justsit, like sometimes you ever had
that moment, we just got it.
Like you just got to just sit,like you just can't even move.
And I'm sitting there and I'mlike what am I gonna do?
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And I'm like there's nothing todo, like when you realize that
I just got to do it, like I justI just got to go, like I
literally I remember sitting inthat chair thinking I don't even
have time to think about thisright now because I've got to go
replace and build upon what wasjust lost.
Like I got to go.
Firstly I got to go get thatback and then I got to go build
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upon it, and me sitting in thischair right now is not going to
accomplish anything.
Yeah, and it was like TysonTyson, tyson Tyson.
But you know what's crazy?
I got back what I needed to getback in a way shorter period of
time than I thought I would.
Why, how?
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Because there was no otherchoice.
Because there was no otherchoice, like, like, financially
it was going to be okay, but Ijust couldn't.
I just couldn't, just I justcouldn't take an L like that.
You know, like I just couldn't,I couldn't watch part of what
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I'd worked so hard for to see itbe gone and then not know when
it's coming back, because that'slike, in other words, something
that took years to do.
I'm like I gotta get this backin like six months, but it took
like three years to do it.
I did it in like eight months,but I learned that I could do it
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in eight months.
You know, like how you needsomething to show you that you
can.
Like you think you're workingbut you're not really working.
You think you're at a level,but you're really not.
You think you're at a six, butyou're really at a one until
life puts you in a positionwhere you're at a negative four
and then you got to get to athree and then you're like I got
to.
I don't have time to be workingthe way I used to work.
(11:06):
I mean I was doing 8 to faint.
I mean you were.
This probably happened when youwere like 17 or something like
that.
You were probably like 17.
And I mean I was just gone.
I mean I don't know if youremember those times when I was
just hitting the road I was,just as a matter of fact, you'd
say where are you going to next?
Where are you going to next,where are you going to next?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Because I was just I mean, I don't know the back
story, but I do remember like Ijust thought you were just like
some hardworking person.
I was like what are you guysdoing?
I was like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like it's a little psycho a little bit about it.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
He got a little mom mentality going on over there.
I didn't put a context to it, Ijust thought that's how you
just operate.
Some people like that.
They lock in on something.
I didn't know it was like this.
I just thought you just lockedin.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
We were locked in Jamal.
We were locked in.
We had certain things to do.
We weren't trying to have thathappen, yeah, but every time do,
and we weren't trying to take,we weren't trying to have that
happen.
So, so, yeah, but you know,every time I left the house,
every time I I got on a plane,every time I got in a car,
hitting the road, going up,coming back, all this other
stuff, um, I'm just like youwant to have something.
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You don't want to havesomething that's like right
there, you want to havesomething.
You don't want to havesomething that's like right
there, you want to havesomething that's so big that if
it gets attacked or if part ofit gets affected, it doesn't
affect everything.
You know, like, if you, whateverthe business is, it's got to be
so, like, if you need, let'ssay you need to make, let's say
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you need to make a milliondollars to pay your employees
for your business, right, so yougot to pay your employees a
million dollars, okay, so ifyou're going to, if your
employee payroll is a milliondollars, you got to have.
You know, let's say, mostpeople be like you got to have
like a million, two million ormaybe three million.
But to me that's still like onthe edge, because you never know
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.
Like you never know what couldhappen.
Like party city just got.
You know, you heard about partycity.
They just closed party everystore.
All those people walked in.
They didn't even know they'rebeing let go.
They had no idea they're beinglet go.
They had no warning, nothing.
Party seat is a was a billiondollar company.
So you say to yourself, okay, ifa billion dollar company can
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just go out like that, what isthe?
The average person has to bemore than prepared.
Like it can't be.
Like I, I need a million to paythese people.
So I'm going to make two.
It's like I need a million.
Pays people.
I need to have 30.
Yeah, I need, I'm going to maketwo.
It's like I need a million topay these people.
I need to have 30.
Yeah, I need to have 50,because I don't know what's
coming.
And that's what I learned fromthat experience.
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Like things were good, but theyweren't.
They weren't rock solid good.
Like they weren't layers.
You need layers.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You think that never happened.
You think you would havelearned that lesson, though, or
you think you needed that tohappen.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh, I needed that to happen.
I just believe that God isalways, you know, there's like
things that are happening, andGod is just always working, you
know, you know.
Though, I think I think thewhole purpose of god in when it
comes to things like that is oneyou learn that you can do a lot
, but you have to lean on god inorder to make it happen,
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because some of the things I wasable to do in that window, I
couldn't understand how I did it.
Like it clearly wasn't just medoing it, like I was
accomplishing things that I'dnever, ever, thought I could
ever accomplish, but I was sozoned in on I had to do it.
It had to be god, I think.
I think the problem, I think theproblem comes, I think the big
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of the problem.
It has to be a problem that'sso big there's no way you can
figure it out, and that's whereGod steps in and says, yeah,
you're not supposed to figure itout, I already have the answer,
but until you lean on me,you're going to be just stuck in
the problem, like you know,spinning your tires in mud, but
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when you realize that God'salready figured out the problem
long before you ever had theproblem, so I'm about to say,
were you saying something Likein terms of leaning?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
you said about leaning on God, though what was
your?
Was that more like you sayinglike I surrender and you just
start working hard?
Like what was that, though?
Like how?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
did you?
Man?
Let me tell you something.
I literally walked out thehouse, hand to God.
I walked out the house andlooked up at this guy.
I said I need you.
I don't I have no idea how I'mgoing to figure this out, but I
need you.
All I know is I need you.
And so I said all I know is Ineed you and I need you to
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figure this out, and and I'mwilling to do the work.
And that was it.
But it's so crazy because it'slike when I stood up there and I
looked up at the sky and I justlooked at everything, I had
this sense of calm and it waslike, I don't know, like a power
up.
You know, like when you, youknow like when you download new
software on your phone, it justit just looks better of.
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Like, when you download newsoftware on your phone, it just
it just looks better.
It just it seems like.
It seems like they, they knewall your problems, that you were
irritated about something, soit just it just works better.
I just became so efficient, man,and I just sat there.
I was like man, I was soinefficient for so long, but I
didn't know it because I did.
I thought I was working at acertain speed, but now that I
had to get something done, andbecause it was like I put a time
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limit on it, that was seriousand all this I realized how much
more I could do.
But let's be clear, I was doingthe possible, but God did the
impossible.
I'm clear about that.
No, that's real.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think the thing well, I'm not going to say well
the thing that I've beenrealizing lately is I feel like
God has slowed me down right,and slowed me down, though, in
terms of highlighting areas thatI never paid attention to that
needed my support.
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So like, for instance, one ofthe things so I was talking to I
was talking to Daryl, myaccountant, and stuff Me, and
him was talking and it had justhit me the other day where, just
in, like business, I was likeyou know, like I go for it.
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I'm like I go for it, but whatI never thought about was, yeah,
you're like boom, you're goingto punch your fist through the
wall, you keep your head downand you're going to go for it.
However, there's times when youcould have got there much
faster or quicker or just in abetter overall, if this person
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did that part, that person didthis part, this person did that
part, that person did this part,that person did this part, or
you brought this person to thispart, and what I realized for me
was I didn't actually do that.
So it caused a lot of gaps.
Well, I don't want to sayunnecessary, because I think
everything happens for a reason,because, of course, if these
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are the things that let's sayyou ask for, say, hey guy, I
want me to, I want to make 100million dollars in real estate,
or something like that.
He knows what you need to do tomake 100 million dollars real
estate.
Yeah, you don't necessarilyknow what you need to do.
So what I mean is it felt likeyou put a mirror in front of me
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and then I started to see likeall of the flaws of like just
certain things that I was likeyou have to work on that, where
it wasn't necessarily a lot ofit, you know, for some people
you have to work on like somepeople don't work hard enough
like they.
Just they just don't work hardenough where me that wasn't.
The problem wasn't like.
It was like my.
It ain't that you don't workhard enough.
It's that, this little thingover here that you're not paying
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attention to, that little thingthat you don't care about,
that's a big thing.
Here's why it's a big thingBecause it's little right there.
But when I really paid attentionto it I was like, yeah, that
thing right there showed up inyour life, right here.
It showed up in your life,right there.
It showed up in your life,right there.
So it was a little over hereand you weren't paying attention
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.
But when I looked at somethingelse I was like, oh, that's that
same trait.
Oh, that's the same trait.
Oh man, oh, that's the sametrait.
And then you started to payattention.
Now, like I'm starting, Istarted to pay attention, I said
okay, and then you look at thenext thing that you need to work
on, and then some of it is.
So it's not necessarilydifficult, but it's like you're
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so shackled up, almost becauseyou've done certain things a
certain way for so long.
So it could be even somethingas simple as, let's say, someone
who's always like they doeverything by themselves.
Right, they do everything, theydon't tag nobody in.
For somebody it's like simple,like hey, just ask James to do
this.
But for that person that mayfeel like a mountain.
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Like a mountain, it's like youknow how they talk about the
elephant that they train withthe rope.
It's like that.
It's just the rope, we got towork on it.
We, that's not.
I realized that about me with abunch of things where I
realized there were certainthings with the rope.
I'm like, okay, we got to workon it.
This is how you get to that$100 million over there.
It ain't good the work ethic yougot to have that, but that's
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not what you need to focus on.
You got this string right here,there's a string right here,
there's the string right hereand there's compound interest of
years that have built thatstring or that.
That string is there.
You need to.
Now we gotta work on the smallthings.
It's the small things that'sgonna get you there.
So that's what I mean when Isay god put the mirror in front
of me, like you put the mirroron all the small things.
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So I had to go work on that andwe're still working on that and
a lot of you.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You remember when you started working out with
Brendan and he had you do thelittlest exercises, that just
you couldn't believe how hard itwas, and you know, but like you
throw some dumbbells in yourarm and but he'd give you like
this little rubber band.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
You'd be sore as all get out.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It'd be sores all get out.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, it's true, no way, I used to say, because,
troy, I used to say we used towork out in a box.
What I mean by a box like,especially when I was working
out with him in Florida.
Let's say we did like twoworkouts.
First part would be like speedor something like that.
That's 45 minutes.
I didn't leave a three-by-threearea and I'm drenched.
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The littlest muscles hurt.
You don't even know what thismuscle is.
Why does it hurt?
Why am I doing this?
What's going on?
I didn't leave a box, matter offact, we were working on speed
and I didn't even run.
I didn't run and I got faster.
I didn't run, I didn't run.
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We worked on speed for a wholeweek.
I didn't run.
I got faster on Friday.
So kind of way, I didn't run.
I stayed in a box, always doingall types of holds.
All these little muscles arehurting.
What the crazy part is, all thelittle muscles he was working
on was all the muscles forrunning.
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It's like Mr Miyagi, it wasliterally like that.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That works a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was literally like that.
You was working on muscles thatyou never even knew about.
I didn't run for five daysstraight.
We did no running, didn't run alick.
Wow Came Friday.
I don't know if this everhappened to you before, but if
you get faster, you feel itbecause it's like your body
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isn't used to it yet.
It's like you're moving fasterthan you normally.
You could feel that you'removing.
You're like oh, I'm moving,moving.
I didn't even I didn't run, butyou was like and I was joking
with Coach Troy about that I waslike man, I didn't even box
this whole week.
How'd I get faster?
And he started laughing becausethat's really how it was.
Like you was in this little box, didn't move.
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The entire week.
You got fast by the end of thatweek.
Man, shout out to Jason Demers,he's a hockey player, smoker.
We raised a smoker.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So imagine if Coach Troy's doing that.
Imagine what God's doing insidethat box.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
There we go.
God got your box.
He ain't doing nothing.
You in that box with God.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You just sweating it out, but that's the life box.
You're sitting in there and youmay not even feel like you're
even moving forward, but you'rebeing worked on.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't know who you're about to share this
with Somebody.
Need that you know who.
Oh, to share this with somebody.
Need that you know who.
I'll bless them like they'regoing.
That's a good one life box.
I didn't even think of it allthe way like that because you
brought it back around, but yeah, it's the god working on you in
a box.
You don't even, you're notsprinting you're not, you're
getting nowhere you're notrunning.
I didn't run, james.
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I didn't jog.
I didn't run, james.
I didn't run, I didn't jog, Ididn't do anything like that.
I didn't run or jog.
We were working on, like, yourtoe muscles, like all your toes.
Do you know you got?
Have you ever worked on yourtoe muscles?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
No, I never worked on my toe muscles.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Next time you go to the gym with Danny or one of
them, have them All right, danny, or one of them All right, so
you can do this in the house.
Put your foot on the groundthis is how you go.
This is how crazy your toemuscles are and try to, one toe
at a time.
Lift that one up individually.
You'll see how hard it is.
You'll see exactly how hard itis.
You can start with your big toe.
Your big toe is going to be theeasiest one, but look at how
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hard it is to lift a toe up byitself.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I'm trying to right now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's hard.
It's not because you'reisolating a specific muscle that
you.
It's not as strong as youprobably think it is.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's not strong at all, Jamel, because I never
thought about it before.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Exactly that's how we started the workouts.
Stuff like that with your toes,lifting your big toe up like up
and down, 10 times and you liftthe other four.
So now you're trying to liftthe four without the big toe.
The big toe got to stay.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I've just been trying it.
It's not working.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So you have to build the muscles.
So that's going to build themuscles in your arch and your
foot too.
And then you do the ones whereyou squeeze the ground with all
your, with your toes and all theuh, the other I don't even know
what's called the other toes,the you squeeze the ground, that
and it builds like your arch.
So when I say he's working onall the littlest muscles that
you wouldn't even think about,all of those little muscles were
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like vital because power andstrength comes from the ground
first.
so you have to have thatstrength in your feet to
generate the power, but thenwhen it comes up, you gotta be
able to have the strength inyour glute medius to be able to
bend in certain positions,because then if you can't get
all, the way down, you don'tgenerate all the power, so it
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was like that type of serieslike Coach Troy is a mad
scientist.
It's that type of series.
And not to mention, you didn'tleave a box.
You stayed in the box the wholetime and then by Friday you was
, I'm telling you by.
Friday you felt strong, Likeyou felt super strong.
It was crazy and it was likethat.
It was like you said, like youso sore, but it wasn't the sore
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like you injured yourself sore,it was like the sore of.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Man I remember you telling stories Like you were
just self-sore.
It was like the sore of man.
I remember you telling storieslike you were just I was asleep.
Then you just sleep.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I was asleep.
We worked out at 9 and he usedto get me in the morning.
Do you know how it is to get upto go to a workout and you're
already hurting before you getlike, you're already sore.
I did not want to get up but Iknew he was coming.
I was like, bro, just don'tcome and get me today.
Come and get me.
We go.
First of all, you go into thegym with the person that's about
to kill you in the gym.
You're like I can't evenprepare for this.
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We go to the gym.
We're doing all this workoutfor 45 minutes and then I think
the workout may be like an hour30 minutes.
Do that?
I take a break.
I have to come back and do astrength condition out, a
weight-building workout.
I'm already spent from thefirst one, but now I have to end
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up in the.
It wasn't like theweight-building workout was like
oh, you did that earlier, sothis is no, it was a full
workout.
I did that by the time thatcame and I had to train the
little kids and everything.
I would go to sleep on the turf.
Do you know how tired you gotto sleep in the middle of a gym?
You don't even care.
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I didn't go in no room and goto sleep.
I would sleep on the turf.
That's how tired I was inFlorida.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Felt.
Great, though right.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh, no, definitely you push yourself to the limit,
like you know.
It's one of them battles you dowith yourself mentally where
every day you know it's about tobe painful, every day you know
you got to almost, even ifyou're not a quitter.
It puts you to the point where,like I think last time I was
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out there I was out there fortwo weeks I want to say you
can't wait for the two weeks tobe up, almost because you're
just like this is.
You're like man, this is, thisis, this is killing me, man,
you're like this is.
But when I would get back toschool and it was time to do a
preseason workout, yeah, oh, myGod.
Well, we used to run 17-17s.
As you go sideline to sideline,you got to do 17 times in like
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a minute.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm not even tired.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I'm talking about.
I'm making it with like eightseconds and I'm not even full up
.
My body was just so used tooperating at that pace and I had
so much endurance, I had somuch muscle strength.
I was good Like I never was,and even if I did, it may have
been one second, I was likealright, I'm good.
I was like I'm not tired.
This is nothing compared towhat I do in the summer.
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In the summer Coach Troy wasdown.
This way I used to wake upearly in the morning.
I used to go to hot yoga.
Every morning I used to go tohot yoga and then after that I
would go to Coach Troy for likean hour or two.
No, not an hour or two, twohours.
We'd get in the weight room, weused to work out in the sand
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pits and then after that I wouldcome home, chill, shower, eat
and I would go to the gym withCoach V and then I'd do that
workout.
And then I would do the samething every single day.
But it was simple.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It goes back to your point about keeping it simple,
keeping it simple, keep itsimple.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I would do the same thing every single day.
That was my schedule.
And then I got to the pointwhere and it's like you almost
got to kind of go there a littlebit.
So I know what Colby talkedabout with the mom mentality.
Then, on the weekends I don'tknow if you remember this is
when I was in college I startedto go to Dale State on the
weekends because that was theonly gym I could get into that
was open.
So you know my apartment's oncampus.
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I would drive up on weekends atDale State, so Saturday and
Sunday I was working out andbasketball.
Then I would come back down andstart my week again Because I
didn't want to not work out onthe weekends Like one.
I didn't think I had thatluxury with my coach, but I was
like nah, I'm going to go upthere and get some work in, work
out with my teammates or myroommate who my teammate will
work out, we will work out thatway.
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I knew I wasn't putting on, youknow, no unnecessary weight on
the weekends, I wasn't eatingbad or anything like that.
I was.
I would go up there work out inthe gym for like two hours
Saturday two hours Sunday I'mback home, do it all again.
That was my schedule.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Now there's this book back there Under the line by
Jocko Wilmick.
It says discipline equalsfreedom.
And it's so true Disciplineequals freedom.
Like that was probably the mostfree you've ever been.
You know, when people are liketrying to be free, like they
don't want any responsibilities,they just want to do whatever
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they want to do, they don'trealize that they're actually
trapped.
But when you are totallydisciplined, it may not be easy,
but when you know that you, youcontrol your mind and you're
willing to put yourself throughthe hard thing, like there's a
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difference between going throughsomething hard and putting
yourself through the hard thing,like choosing, like I'm gonna
choose, like that's why I haveso much respect for people in
the military, like they'rechoosing to do something that's
just not easy to do, orprofessional athletes, or high
level athletes or whatever.
Like you know, that's why youknow I said man, you know the
money that people talk about,the, the money that this person
makes, that person makes.
They just have a level ofdiscipline that, like they just
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have.
It's a totally different.
Like how many people be willingto put themselves to what you
put yourself to?
Like and you weren't.
You weren't being paid, youweren't.
There's no NIL deal there was.
You know what I mean.
Like you're just doing it justbecause you love playing
basketball.
The more disciplined you are,the more free you are.
It's not how people think aboutit, because everything just
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kind of flows.
When you're disciplined, lifejust has a flow.
It's a beautiful flow.
If I don't work out, if I don'tdo something physical, you just
start to look at yourself weird, you know what I mean.
Like you just don't feel goodabout yourself, you don't.
You know you should be doingsomething but you're not doing
it and there's all that stuffand you're like trapped in your
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thoughts.
But when you do what you knowyou have to do, even though you
don't want to do it, you feelfree.
That's what you're talkingabout.
And I remember, I remembertalking to you and you were, you
know, suffering, but happy.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
That was happy I mean , you know, I mean I remember
when you came, when you cameback.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I remember when you came back.
I remember when you came back,though.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
It made sense.
I remember senior night hit me,I think my mom came up with the
kids yeah, you know what I'msaying.
And it hit me all in thatmoment what it was for, because
I still couldn't wrap my headaround it.
It was almost like you.
It felt like I was going back.
It felt like I took notes for atest or something.
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It felt like you didn't passthe test but you're going back
and you're like but I did.
It said do A, b, c, d, e, f, g,entire decade, l, m and P.
It said do all these steps.
It was like I did all thesesteps.
I didn't get, like it didn't dowhat I was told it was supposed
to do.
And I think I remember seniornight it hit me where I was just
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like that was the test, likethat's, that's, that's.
I was just like that was thetest, like it was four years man
.
But I just knew.
I was like yeah, that was the.
It hit me.
It was like yo, that was thetest.
It wasn't meant for it to gothe way that you wanted it to go
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, even though, like, the moreI'm not gonna say, the more it
wasn't.
I just kept doubling back down.
I'm like I'm gonna work harder,work harder, and so, of course,
part of when it didn't go theway I wanted to, that's that's.
That's a tough pill, likethat's a super tough pill, right
where I mean sometimes youmight see some people who put a
tenth of the effort in andthey're getting all types of
stuff.
So it definitely was a toughpill to swallow.
(34:51):
But I remember that day inparticular.
It hit me that was the test,because you got that.
Now you got that lesson.
That's a part of your DNA to beable to go to that mode or
whatever.
So it's there and the DNA to beable to go to that mode or
whatever, whatever.
So it's there.
And the test was for you to getto the end of it like this,
like just when you get to theend of it, that it felt like a
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monkey off my shoulders.
Getting to the end of it andthat's how I know like it didn't
feel, like, you know, nothingwas lost, even though sometimes
you had a certain but it feltlike a monkey was off your chest
and you was like, oh, I feelfree, Like I passed something,
like I did something.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I was supposed to, yeah, but you just said it.
You just said basically, youjust said if I ever need to go
there, like you now know whereyou can go.
Yeah, it's a part I mean right,like whether it's real estate,
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whether it's just life.
Like you know, just whatever.
Like you know, you know whereyou can go, you know how far you
can go.
Yeah, you push yourself to, andthat's why it's interesting
that so many really successfulCEOs are like great athletes,
and because they know how farthey know they're going to push
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themselves beyond the nextperson, they already know that,
like they know, there's no wayyou can hang with me long.
You may be running with meright now for like the first two
miles, but I'm not going to seeyou at mile 30.
Yeah, I'm not seeing you, I,but I'm not gonna see you at
mile 30.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I'm not seeing you, I'm not probably gonna see
a mile 10.
Are you sure they even thinkabout the other person?
that's true, that's true I don't, what do you know?
That's one of my mentors say sofor door, I mean.
One time he asked me.
I don't, I can't remember howhe asked me, so I'll just say,
paraphrasing, it was pretty muchasked, asked me about kind of
my mentality, and I neverthought about it.
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But it went back to all thosemoments where I'm like, bro, I
only know one way.
I'm like I only know one way,and the way I know is to just go
crazy about the thing, just toupset.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
You remember that?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh, yeah, I used to sit in the bed yeah, oh, I
remember you were.
Uh, I don't know what you wereno, my mind is why I like that
100 percent.
No one knows.
My mom is so like I only knowone way to go.
Even when I attack real estateat your point, I literally just
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think, all right, I'm willing togo further than anybody.
That's just how I am like whenI take it to basketball.
I remember this happened, this,this is before, so this is
after.
Like the coach had cut me orwhatever.
My freshman year at Del State.
So I used to always work out.
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Well, this might have beenbefore that.
I used to always work out.
I'd go to track, work out, I'dhave my bungee cords work out,
do my thing, like I'm getting inshape for whatever opportunity
coming my way.
And I remember one day shoutout Big Scott.
That was one of my teammates,scott Seale.
He came out there.
He was getting extra work init's nighttime.
It's the fall, so the weather'snice.
I remember I finished myworkout, he started his, he ran
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a lot.
He didn't even know I had seenhim Once he ran the bleachers.
I started running the bleachers.
He didn't even know A lot ofbleachers.
I started running the bleachers.
He didn't even know it becausea lot of people said it.
I didn't stop until he finishedhis workout.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I was already done with my workout.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
But when I seen him come out there and work out, my
mind just went to that modewhere I have to get an advantage
.
To me it was wired.
I was like I got to get myadvantage, so he's running.
I don't feel like running thesesteps no more.
I was tired of running thesteps, but my mind I was like no
, because I knew if the momentcame and it was time for me to
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get my opportunity.
As you know, things happen.
I needed something to lean backon and those would be the
things you talk to yourselfabout in your head, like
remember this, remember you putthat extra work in.
You got it.
You'll be able to referencethose things.
So when I hopped into realestate, it was the same thing
and it just happened out ofhabit, where it was nothing for
me to go to Chicago one day andcome back in the same day.
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It was nothing for me to get onthe phone with P and say I just
want to, yo let me you therealtor of the year and the
whole of Chicago hey.
I'm about to shadow you thewhole day.
I just want to sit through thewhole day.
I just want to go, probablywith you.
Nobody never asks for nothinglike that, but for me that's how
my mind went, because it's likeI have to navigate this
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different.
I'm not used to nobody givingme anything.
I'm not used to somebody sayinghere's a red carpet.
I'm not used to any of that.
So I'm like I got to figure outmy way and that's.
I got to go further thananybody else.
If they say this is what we'redoing, we're going to show y'all
10 properties, I might be deadtired.
(39:55):
You know, let me see five more.
Let me see five more Everybodycoming in on Friday.
I'm coming on Wednesday becauseI need that extra work.
That's just what I'm used to.
Now I can go there because I'mused to going there.
I'm used to that.
That's all I know.
All I know is that kind ofthing.
That's how I just attackeverything.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Here's the word Attack everything.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's the word.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's the word right there Attack everything, attack
everything.
I like that one.
I don't know.
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So when I see an athlete like an Olympian or
somebody and I say the worldgives hope, like Shaquille
Richardson, oh yeah, it becamelike people are making it black
and white thing, a racist thing,and that could have been what
it is, right.
I wasn't getting into that.
My viewpoint on it.
My viewpoint on it was I saidif she's able to live in the
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pain the right way, because it'sgoing to be real uncomfortable,
like the world just kind ofturned on you, that hurts, so
like, if she's able to likeovercome this, I think she's
going to be a beast Because nowshe's going to realize what it
is like, how people really arewith the games and she's not
going to go too high.
(00:47):
No more, she's not going to gotoo low, she's going to be right
here where everybody sayingthey love her.
It's not going to faze her, nomore.
Because she knows that's nottrue.
Anyway she knows becauseeveryone goes through it, that
goes through some type ofsuccess in that regard.
But you can't.
It's like they say I think etmay have said it or ink may have
(01:08):
said it, but the um, no, it'sink.
He said you can't, you don'tturn 21 until you're 21.
Like that's just, that's thereality of it.
Like you can't, certain thingsare going to come when they come
.
So like, even for little james,you can say stuff to him, I can
say stuff to him.
I can say stuff to him, butthere's a season when it's going
to take its own path and it'sgoing to manifest for him.
(01:30):
So with Shaquiri, I'm like,look, she needs this cut, she
needs that.
Like she's going to need that.
So now, when those other momentscome about and let's say she
wins a race by 0.001 andsomebody tried to say oh,
because this or that happened,I'm like no, she won that race
five years ago when y'all hurther feelings and the world
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turned against her and she hadto go through that and she had
to rebuild herself.
That's when she won that race.
So you know, that's why Iusually like if an athlete going
through something or evenpeople in life for that matter
you just got to like I guess youneed to be there for them a
little bit, but you just got tolet them know like you can swim,
you're going to swim and if youswim, if you're able to save
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yourself, you're going to be awhole different person on the
other side of it.
They're not going to be able tostop you.
And she clearly went on the runlast year.
I think it was last year, right.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, because we were remember we were driving down
to DC that night when all thatstuff was going on, with her
getting removed from the Olympicsquad, yeah, and we talked
about.
We were talking about the folksaround her and the opportunity
that not that she lost, but Iguess when you put in
(02:45):
perspective that was just asetup.
You know, god has this amazingway of setting you up for
something bigger.
Because isn't it wild that thisolympic she became the poster
child of track and field, likeshe went from the us committees
removing her from the race tothis olympics.
She was on every commercial,every interview, because she
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turned her whole life, she did acomplete 180 and that's a.
God has an amazing way ofsetting up for something bigger
you gotta go through the fight.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I don't care what it is, you got it.
Ah, I don't know.
He just got personal.
You got to get the fire man.
No, because that's something Irealized in the last year.
Oh yeah, I know.
You look at what you pray forand the things you want, and
(03:37):
then you see all the thingsthat's going around and it makes
no sense.
But then you kind of sit downand you reflect and you're like
it actually does make sense.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It makes sense.
You just can't connect the dotsreal time.
You got to connect the dotswhen you look back, but when
you're in it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, oh, when you're in it, yeah, I feel like Mike
Tyson throwing haymakers.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
A few Mike Tysons.
You look to your left, there'slike Mike Tyson throwing
haymakers.
A few Mike Tysons.
You look to your left, there'sa Mike Tyson.
You look to your right, there'sa Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And that's the Mike Tyson that was fighting Jake
Paul.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
This is Tyson 89.
This is 90 Tyson.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
The one that ain't had no shoes on, no socks.
Fight people ears.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, that's the Mike Tyson.
You were going to punch them,not the one that was biting
their phone.
But you remember all that.
You know you have your winningseason and then you remember you
had your winning season right.
So you have your winning seasonand then you have your
complicated season.
We just call it complicated,but you learn about yourself and
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the complications, because whenyou're winning and you make
money and you do all that otherstuff, you make your money and
you feel good and you deposit inthe bank and you feel good like
I did that.
I made that happen.
But you really learn aboutyourself when you're facing your
Tysons.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Bernard.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Hockett.
You wouldn't know about BernardHockett.
He's a trainer.
His son's name is JaleelHackett.
His son's a boxer from DC,actually I think he's 91 just
lost his fight.
But he can go though.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But Bernard was like was it the executioner Bernard
or somebody else?
No, his name is Bernard Hackettoh, hackett, I thought you said
Hopkins.
Alright, go ahead he had said.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It was like a person.
He was talking about the goodand bad days.
He was like the good days keepyou coming back.
The bad days are when you learnyour lessons.
Paraphrasing that's essentiallywhat he said, because you know
they talk about boxing, saying,yeah, you're going to have your
good days and those days are theones that's going to keep you
motivated.
But the bad days is when youreally grow, like those are the
days you really grow.
Good days is just, those aredays you really grow.
(05:45):
Good days is just, you know,those are days that inspire you.
Oh, I can do this, but inbetween those it's those days
where all the lessons come andthen you got processed those,
you got figured those out andstuff like that, and then you'll
have a good day, and thenyou're like, oh okay, yeah
everybody.
I can't think of an athlete, aperson in general, who hasn't
(06:06):
Like just you can look at Kobe.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
He lost in 08, I think it was to the Celtics,
yeah blew out his Achilles, likeI mean, yeah, they all got,
it's the toll you pay.
Like it's the toll you pay,everybody's got to pay the toll.
Everybody's got to pay the toll, everybody's got to pay the
toll.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You just don't know the price you're gonna pay you
just gotta know how much thetoll is.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know, matt, like if you drive up to a toll, you
know it's like four dollars,five dollars, yeah, life's toll.
You drive up it's a questionmark and you show up there like
like two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know it's like and look, if you want to keep
that comparative, you want tokeep that analogy going on and
put in your GPS where you wantto go.
It don't tell you the time itdon't tell you how many detours.
It don't tell you if it'ssomewhere on a roadblock ahead.
It don't tell you that thatbridge collapsed.
You got to go there.
It, don't tell you?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, you're right.
It don't tell you your E-ZPassdon't work so you're going to
get a letter in the mail we knowabout those letters, what?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Here's the thing.
Yeah, I tell somebody to justgo, though, because I think you
get to the point where I thinkthe best thing you can do is
just be so blind and ignorantand going into something
sometimes that you get so farthat you can't turn back, like I
think that's the best, likethat's probably the best spot to
be in, because, like all of thestuff you see doesn't look like
(07:33):
you about to hit that goal, butyou didn't came too far anyway
you're in it now be like if i'malose right now, I'd rather lose
in the end and then be like man.
I tried.
Then to be like I went this farand then I turned back around.
So sometimes you just got tojump in and be like just keep
swinging, swinging, swinging.
(07:53):
It's in a moment.
You're like man, I don't knowif I want to do this.
But then you look back at howfar you came.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You're like that's too far, though know how bad is
all this?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
keep going at this point, so yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I was, um, I was working with somebody in the
business, right, and they didsomething.
They did something bad.
And I remember getting a callthat like, like, basically like
15 or something like that, ofthe business that I built over
(08:27):
that year was going to go awaybecause of what they did.
And I remember, sitting thereI'm doing the math on the money,
I'm like all this stuff, right,and I'm on this phone and I'm
having this out of bodyexperience, like I'm listening
to this conversation and I feellike I'm watching myself listen
to this conversation.
And it's one thing when you dosomething, it's another thing
(08:54):
when somebody else doessomething that affects you.
But you have to live with theoutcome of it, right, and I get
off that phone call and I justsit, like sometimes you ever had
that moment, we just got it.
Like you just got to just sit,like you just can't even move.
And I'm sitting there and I'mlike what am I gonna do?
(09:15):
And I'm like there's nothing todo, like when you realize that
I just got to do it, like I justI just got to go, like I
literally I remember sitting inthat chair thinking I don't even
have time to think about thisright now because I've got to go
replace and build upon what wasjust lost.
Like I got to go.
Firstly I got to go get thatback and then I got to go build
(09:39):
upon it, and me sitting in thischair right now is not going to
accomplish anything.
Yeah, and it was like TysonTyson, tyson Tyson.
But you know what's crazy?
I got back what I needed to getback in a way shorter period of
time than I thought I would.
Why, how?
(09:59):
Because there was no otherchoice.
Because there was no otherchoice, like, like, financially
it was going to be okay, but Ijust couldn't.
I just couldn't, just I justcouldn't take an L like that.
You know, like I just couldn't,I couldn't watch part of what
(10:19):
I'd worked so hard for to see itbe gone and then not know when
it's coming back, because that'slike, in other words, something
that took years to do.
I'm like I gotta get this backin like six months, but it took
like three years to do it.
I did it in like eight months,but I learned that I could do it
(10:42):
in eight months.
You know, like how you needsomething to show you that you
can.
Like you think you're workingbut you're not really working.
You think you're at a level,but you're really not.
You think you're at a six, butyou're really at a one until
life puts you in a positionwhere you're at a negative four
and then you got to get to athree and then you're like I got
to.
I don't have time to be workingthe way I used to work.
(11:06):
I mean I was doing 8 to faint.
I mean you were.
This probably happened when youwere like 17 or something like
that.
You were probably like 17.
And I mean I was just gone.
I mean I don't know if youremember those times when I was
just hitting the road I was,just as a matter of fact, you'd
say where are you going to next?
Where are you going to next,where are you going to next?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Because I was just I mean, I don't know the back
story, but I do remember like Ijust thought you were just like
some hardworking person.
I was like what are you guysdoing?
I was like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like it's a little psycho a little bit about it.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
He got a little mom mentality going on over there.
I didn't put a context to it, Ijust thought that's how you
just operate.
Some people like that.
They lock in on something.
I didn't know it was like this.
I just thought you just lockedin.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
We were locked in Jamal.
We were locked in.
We had certain things to do.
We weren't trying to have thathappen, yeah, but every time do,
and we weren't trying to take,we weren't trying to have that
happen.
So, so, yeah, but you know,every time I left the house,
every time I I got on a plane,every time I got in a car,
hitting the road, going up,coming back, all this other
stuff, um, I'm just like youwant to have something.
(12:21):
You don't want to havesomething that's like right
there, you want to havesomething.
You don't want to havesomething that's like right
there, you want to havesomething that's so big that if
it gets attacked or if part ofit gets affected, it doesn't
affect everything.
You know, like, if you, whateverthe business is, it's got to be
so, like, if you need, let'ssay you need to make, let's say
(12:42):
you need to make a milliondollars to pay your employees
for your business, right, so yougot to pay your employees a
million dollars, okay, so ifyou're going to, if your
employee payroll is a milliondollars, you got to have.
You know, let's say, mostpeople be like you got to have
like a million, two million ormaybe three million.
But to me that's still like onthe edge, because you never know
(13:09):
.
Like you never know what couldhappen.
Like party city just got.
You know, you heard about partycity.
They just closed party everystore.
All those people walked in.
They didn't even know they'rebeing let go.
They had no idea they're beinglet go.
They had no warning, nothing.
Party seat is a was a billiondollar company.
So you say to yourself, okay, ifa billion dollar company can
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just go out like that, what isthe?
The average person has to bemore than prepared.
Like it can't be.
Like I, I need a million to paythese people.
So I'm going to make two.
It's like I need a million.
Pays people.
I need to have 30.
Yeah, I need, I'm going to maketwo.
It's like I need a million topay these people.
I need to have 30.
Yeah, I need to have 50,because I don't know what's
coming.
And that's what I learned fromthat experience.
(13:51):
Like things were good, but theyweren't.
They weren't rock solid good.
Like they weren't layers.
You need layers.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You think that never happened.
You think you would havelearned that lesson, though, or
you think you needed that tohappen.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh, I needed that to happen.
I just believe that God isalways, you know, there's like
things that are happening, andGod is just always working, you
know, you know.
Though, I think I think thewhole purpose of god in when it
comes to things like that is oneyou learn that you can do a lot
, but you have to lean on god inorder to make it happen,
(14:34):
because some of the things I wasable to do in that window, I
couldn't understand how I did it.
Like it clearly wasn't just medoing it, like I was
accomplishing things that I'dnever, ever, thought I could
ever accomplish, but I was sozoned in on I had to do it.
It had to be god, I think.
I think the problem, I think theproblem comes, I think the big
(14:55):
of the problem.
It has to be a problem that'sso big there's no way you can
figure it out, and that's whereGod steps in and says, yeah,
you're not supposed to figure itout, I already have the answer,
but until you lean on me,you're going to be just stuck in
the problem, like you know,spinning your tires in mud, but
(15:16):
when you realize that God'salready figured out the problem
long before you ever had theproblem, so I'm about to say,
were you saying something Likein terms of leaning?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
you said about leaning on God, though what was
your?
Was that more like you sayinglike I surrender and you just
start working hard?
Like what was that, though?
Like how?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
did you?
Man?
Let me tell you something.
I literally walked out thehouse, hand to God.
I walked out the house andlooked up at this guy.
I said I need you.
I don't I have no idea how I'mgoing to figure this out, but I
need you.
All I know is I need you.
And so I said all I know is Ineed you and I need you to
(16:03):
figure this out, and and I'mwilling to do the work.
And that was it.
But it's so crazy because it'slike when I stood up there and I
looked up at the sky and I justlooked at everything, I had
this sense of calm and it waslike, I don't know, like a power
up.
You know, like when you, youknow like when you download new
software on your phone, it justit just looks better of.
(16:25):
Like, when you download newsoftware on your phone, it just
it just looks better.
It just it seems like.
It seems like they, they knewall your problems, that you were
irritated about something, soit just it just works better.
I just became so efficient, man,and I just sat there.
I was like man, I was soinefficient for so long, but I
didn't know it because I did.
I thought I was working at acertain speed, but now that I
had to get something done, andbecause it was like I put a time
(16:46):
limit on it, that was seriousand all this I realized how much
more I could do.
But let's be clear, I was doingthe possible, but God did the
impossible.
I'm clear about that.
No, that's real.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I think the thing well, I'm not going to say well
the thing that I've beenrealizing lately is I feel like
God has slowed me down right,and slowed me down, though, in
terms of highlighting areas thatI never paid attention to that
needed my support.
(17:31):
So like, for instance, one ofthe things so I was talking to I
was talking to Daryl, myaccountant, and stuff Me, and
him was talking and it had justhit me the other day where, just
in, like business, I was likeyou know, like I go for it.
(17:53):
I'm like I go for it, but whatI never thought about was, yeah,
you're like boom, you're goingto punch your fist through the
wall, you keep your head downand you're going to go for it.
However, there's times when youcould have got there much
faster or quicker or just in abetter overall, if this person
(18:15):
did that part, that person didthis part, this person did that
part, that person did this part,that person did this part, or
you brought this person to thispart, and what I realized for me
was I didn't actually do that.
So it caused a lot of gaps.
Well, I don't want to sayunnecessary, because I think
everything happens for a reason,because, of course, if these
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are the things that let's sayyou ask for, say, hey guy, I
want me to, I want to make 100million dollars in real estate,
or something like that.
He knows what you need to do tomake 100 million dollars real
estate.
Yeah, you don't necessarilyknow what you need to do.
So what I mean is it felt likeyou put a mirror in front of me
(18:58):
and then I started to see likeall of the flaws of like just
certain things that I was likeyou have to work on that, where
it wasn't necessarily a lot ofit, you know, for some people
you have to work on like somepeople don't work hard enough
like they.
Just they just don't work hardenough where me that wasn't.
The problem wasn't like.
It was like my.
It ain't that you don't workhard enough.
It's that, this little thingover here that you're not paying
(19:21):
attention to, that little thingthat you don't care about,
that's a big thing.
Here's why it's a big thingBecause it's little right there.
But when I really paid attentionto it I was like, yeah, that
thing right there showed up inyour life, right here.
It showed up in your life,right there.
It showed up in your life,right there.
So it was a little over hereand you weren't paying attention
(19:45):
.
But when I looked at somethingelse I was like, oh, that's that
same trait.
Oh, that's the same trait.
Oh man, oh, that's the sametrait.
And then you started to payattention.
Now, like I'm starting, Istarted to pay attention, I said
okay, and then you look at thenext thing that you need to work
on, and then some of it is.
So it's not necessarilydifficult, but it's like you're
(20:06):
so shackled up, almost becauseyou've done certain things a
certain way for so long.
So it could be even somethingas simple as, let's say, someone
who's always like they doeverything by themselves.
Right, they do everything, theydon't tag nobody in.
For somebody it's like simple,like hey, just ask James to do
this.
But for that person that mayfeel like a mountain.
(20:29):
Like a mountain, it's like youknow how they talk about the
elephant that they train withthe rope.
It's like that.
It's just the rope, we got towork on it.
We, that's not.
I realized that about me with abunch of things where I
realized there were certainthings with the rope.
I'm like, okay, we got to workon it.
This is how you get to that$100 million over there.
It ain't good the work ethic yougot to have that, but that's
(20:52):
not what you need to focus on.
You got this string right here,there's a string right here,
there's the string right hereand there's compound interest of
years that have built thatstring or that.
That string is there.
You need to.
Now we gotta work on the smallthings.
It's the small things that'sgonna get you there.
So that's what I mean when Isay god put the mirror in front
of me, like you put the mirroron all the small things.
(21:12):
So I had to go work on that andwe're still working on that and
a lot of you.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You remember when you started working out with
Brendan and he had you do thelittlest exercises, that just
you couldn't believe how hard itwas, and you know, but like you
throw some dumbbells in yourarm and but he'd give you like
this little rubber band.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
You'd be sore as all get out.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It'd be sores all get out.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, it's true, no way, I used to say, because,
troy, I used to say we used towork out in a box.
What I mean by a box like,especially when I was working
out with him in Florida.
Let's say we did like twoworkouts.
First part would be like speedor something like that.
That's 45 minutes.
I didn't leave a three-by-threearea and I'm drenched.
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The littlest muscles hurt.
You don't even know what thismuscle is.
Why does it hurt?
Why am I doing this?
What's going on?
I didn't leave a box, matter offact, we were working on speed
and I didn't even run.
I didn't run and I got faster.
I didn't run, I didn't run.
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We worked on speed for a wholeweek.
I didn't run.
I got faster on Friday.
So kind of way, I didn't run.
I stayed in a box, always doingall types of holds.
All these little muscles arehurting.
What the crazy part is, all thelittle muscles he was working
on was all the muscles forrunning.
(22:47):
It's like Mr Miyagi, it wasliterally like that.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That works a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was literally like that.
You was working on muscles thatyou never even knew about.
I didn't run for five daysstraight.
We did no running, didn't run alick.
Wow Came Friday.
I don't know if this everhappened to you before, but if
you get faster, you feel itbecause it's like your body
(23:14):
isn't used to it yet.
It's like you're moving fasterthan you normally.
You could feel that you'removing.
You're like oh, I'm moving,moving.
I didn't even I didn't run, butyou was like and I was joking
with Coach Troy about that I waslike man, I didn't even box
this whole week.
How'd I get faster?
And he started laughing becausethat's really how it was.
Like you was in this little box, didn't move.
(23:36):
The entire week.
You got fast by the end of thatweek.
Man, shout out to Jason Demers,he's a hockey player, smoker.
We raised a smoker.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So imagine if Coach Troy's doing that.
Imagine what God's doing insidethat box.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
There we go.
God got your box.
He ain't doing nothing.
You in that box with God.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You just sweating it out, but that's the life box.
You're sitting in there and youmay not even feel like you're
even moving forward, but you'rebeing worked on.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't know who you're about to share this
with Somebody.
Need that you know who.
Oh, to share this with somebody.
Need that you know who.
I'll bless them like they'regoing.
That's a good one life box.
I didn't even think of it allthe way like that because you
brought it back around, but yeah, it's the god working on you in
a box.
You don't even, you're notsprinting you're not, you're
getting nowhere you're notrunning.
I didn't run, james.
(24:38):
I didn't jog.
I didn't run, james.
I didn't run, I didn't jog, Ididn't do anything like that.
I didn't run or jog.
We were working on, like, yourtoe muscles, like all your toes.
Do you know you got?
Have you ever worked on yourtoe muscles?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
No, I never worked on my toe muscles.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Next time you go to the gym with Danny or one of
them, have them All right, danny, or one of them All right, so
you can do this in the house.
Put your foot on the groundthis is how you go.
This is how crazy your toemuscles are and try to, one toe
at a time.
Lift that one up individually.
You'll see how hard it is.
You'll see exactly how hard itis.
You can start with your big toe.
Your big toe is going to be theeasiest one, but look at how
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hard it is to lift a toe up byitself.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I'm trying to right now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's hard.
It's not because you'reisolating a specific muscle that
you.
It's not as strong as youprobably think it is.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's not strong at all, Jamel, because I never
thought about it before.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Exactly that's how we started the workouts.
Stuff like that with your toes,lifting your big toe up like up
and down, 10 times and you liftthe other four.
So now you're trying to liftthe four without the big toe.
The big toe got to stay.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I've just been trying it.
It's not working.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So you have to build the muscles.
So that's going to build themuscles in your arch and your
foot too.
And then you do the ones whereyou squeeze the ground with all
your, with your toes and all theuh, the other I don't even know
what's called the other toes,the you squeeze the ground, that
and it builds like your arch.
So when I say he's working onall the littlest muscles that
you wouldn't even think about,all of those little muscles were
(26:13):
like vital because power andstrength comes from the ground
first.
so you have to have thatstrength in your feet to
generate the power, but thenwhen it comes up, you gotta be
able to have the strength inyour glute medius to be able to
bend in certain positions,because then if you can't get
all, the way down, you don'tgenerate all the power, so it
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was like that type of serieslike Coach Troy is a mad
scientist.
It's that type of series.
And not to mention, you didn'tleave a box.
You stayed in the box the wholetime and then by Friday you was
, I'm telling you by.
Friday you felt strong, Likeyou felt super strong.
It was crazy and it was likethat.
It was like you said, like youso sore, but it wasn't the sore
(26:58):
like you injured yourself sore,it was like the sore of.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Man I remember you telling stories Like you were
just self-sore.
It was like the sore of man.
I remember you telling storieslike you were just I was asleep.
Then you just sleep.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I was asleep.
We worked out at 9 and he usedto get me in the morning.
Do you know how it is to get upto go to a workout and you're
already hurting before you getlike, you're already sore.
I did not want to get up but Iknew he was coming.
I was like, bro, just don'tcome and get me today.
Come and get me.
We go.
First of all, you go into thegym with the person that's about
to kill you in the gym.
You're like I can't evenprepare for this.
(27:29):
We go to the gym.
We're doing all this workoutfor 45 minutes and then I think
the workout may be like an hour30 minutes.
Do that?
I take a break.
I have to come back and do astrength condition out, a
weight-building workout.
I'm already spent from thefirst one, but now I have to end
(27:49):
up in the.
It wasn't like theweight-building workout was like
oh, you did that earlier, sothis is no, it was a full
workout.
I did that by the time thatcame and I had to train the
little kids and everything.
I would go to sleep on the turf.
Do you know how tired you gotto sleep in the middle of a gym?
You don't even care.
(28:10):
I didn't go in no room and goto sleep.
I would sleep on the turf.
That's how tired I was inFlorida.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Felt.
Great, though right.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh, no, definitely you push yourself to the limit,
like you know.
It's one of them battles you dowith yourself mentally where
every day you know it's about tobe painful, every day you know
you got to almost, even ifyou're not a quitter.
It puts you to the point where,like I think last time I was
(28:40):
out there I was out there fortwo weeks I want to say you
can't wait for the two weeks tobe up, almost because you're
just like this is.
You're like man, this is, thisis, this is killing me, man,
you're like this is.
But when I would get back toschool and it was time to do a
preseason workout, yeah, oh, myGod.
Well, we used to run 17-17s.
As you go sideline to sideline,you got to do 17 times in like
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a minute.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm not even tired.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I'm talking about.
I'm making it with like eightseconds and I'm not even full up
.
My body was just so used tooperating at that pace and I had
so much endurance, I had somuch muscle strength.
I was good Like I never was,and even if I did, it may have
been one second, I was likealright, I'm good.
I was like I'm not tired.
This is nothing compared towhat I do in the summer.
(29:25):
In the summer Coach Troy wasdown.
This way I used to wake upearly in the morning.
I used to go to hot yoga.
Every morning I used to go tohot yoga and then after that I
would go to Coach Troy for likean hour or two.
No, not an hour or two, twohours.
We'd get in the weight room, weused to work out in the sand
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pits and then after that I wouldcome home, chill, shower, eat
and I would go to the gym withCoach V and then I'd do that
workout.
And then I would do the samething every single day.
But it was simple.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It goes back to your point about keeping it simple,
keeping it simple, keep itsimple.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I would do the same thing every single day.
That was my schedule.
And then I got to the pointwhere and it's like you almost
got to kind of go there a littlebit.
So I know what Colby talkedabout with the mom mentality.
Then, on the weekends I don'tknow if you remember this is
when I was in college I startedto go to Dale State on the
weekends because that was theonly gym I could get into that
was open.
So you know my apartment's oncampus.
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I would drive up on weekends atDale State, so Saturday and
Sunday I was working out andbasketball.
Then I would come back down andstart my week again Because I
didn't want to not work out onthe weekends Like one.
I didn't think I had thatluxury with my coach, but I was
like nah, I'm going to go upthere and get some work in, work
out with my teammates or myroommate who my teammate will
work out, we will work out thatway.
(30:46):
I knew I wasn't putting on, youknow, no unnecessary weight on
the weekends, I wasn't eatingbad or anything like that.
I was.
I would go up there work out inthe gym for like two hours
Saturday two hours Sunday I'mback home, do it all again.
That was my schedule.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Now there's this book back there Under the line by
Jocko Wilmick.
It says discipline equalsfreedom.
And it's so true Disciplineequals freedom.
Like that was probably the mostfree you've ever been.
You know, when people are liketrying to be free, like they
don't want any responsibilities,they just want to do whatever
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they want to do, they don'trealize that they're actually
trapped.
But when you are totallydisciplined, it may not be easy,
but when you know that you, youcontrol your mind and you're
willing to put yourself throughthe hard thing, like there's a
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difference between going throughsomething hard and putting
yourself through the hard thing,like choosing, like I'm gonna
choose, like that's why I haveso much respect for people in
the military, like they'rechoosing to do something that's
just not easy to do, orprofessional athletes, or high
level athletes or whatever.
Like you know, that's why youknow I said man, you know the
money that people talk about,the, the money that this person
makes, that person makes.
They just have a level ofdiscipline that, like they just
(32:09):
have.
It's a totally different.
Like how many people be willingto put themselves to what you
put yourself to?
Like and you weren't.
You weren't being paid, youweren't.
There's no NIL deal there was.
You know what I mean.
Like you're just doing it justbecause you love playing
basketball.
The more disciplined you are,the more free you are.
It's not how people think aboutit, because everything just
(32:34):
kind of flows.
When you're disciplined, lifejust has a flow.
It's a beautiful flow.
If I don't work out, if I don'tdo something physical, you just
start to look at yourself weird, you know what I mean.
Like you just don't feel goodabout yourself, you don't.
You know you should be doingsomething but you're not doing
it and there's all that stuffand you're like trapped in your
(32:57):
thoughts.
But when you do what you knowyou have to do, even though you
don't want to do it, you feelfree.
That's what you're talkingabout.
And I remember, I remembertalking to you and you were, you
know, suffering, but happy.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
That was happy I mean , you know, I mean I remember
when you came, when you cameback.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I remember when you came back.
I remember when you came back,though.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
It made sense.
I remember senior night hit me,I think my mom came up with the
kids yeah, you know what I'msaying.
And it hit me all in thatmoment what it was for, because
I still couldn't wrap my headaround it.
It was almost like you.
It felt like I was going back.
It felt like I took notes for atest or something.
(33:45):
It felt like you didn't passthe test but you're going back
and you're like but I did.
It said do A, b, c, d, e, f, g,entire decade, l, m and P.
It said do all these steps.
It was like I did all thesesteps.
I didn't get, like it didn't dowhat I was told it was supposed
to do.
And I think I remember seniornight it hit me where I was just
(34:08):
like that was the test, likethat's, that's, that's.
I was just like that was thetest, like it was four years man
.
But I just knew.
I was like yeah, that was the.
It hit me.
It was like yo, that was thetest.
It wasn't meant for it to gothe way that you wanted it to go
(34:29):
, even though, like, the moreI'm not gonna say, the more it
wasn't.
I just kept doubling back down.
I'm like I'm gonna work harder,work harder, and so, of course,
part of when it didn't go theway I wanted to, that's that's.
That's a tough pill, likethat's a super tough pill, right
where I mean sometimes youmight see some people who put a
tenth of the effort in andthey're getting all types of
stuff.
So it definitely was a toughpill to swallow.
(34:51):
But I remember that day inparticular.
It hit me that was the test,because you got that.
Now you got that lesson.
That's a part of your DNA to beable to go to that mode or
whatever.
So it's there and the DNA to beable to go to that mode or
whatever, whatever.
So it's there.
And the test was for you to getto the end of it like this,
like just when you get to theend of it, that it felt like a
(35:13):
monkey off my shoulders.
Getting to the end of it andthat's how I know like it didn't
feel, like, you know, nothingwas lost, even though sometimes
you had a certain but it feltlike a monkey was off your chest
and you was like, oh, I feelfree, Like I passed something,
like I did something.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I was supposed to, yeah, but you just said it.
You just said basically, youjust said if I ever need to go
there, like you now know whereyou can go.
Yeah, it's a part I mean right,like whether it's real estate,
(35:48):
whether it's just life.
Like you know, just whatever.
Like you know, you know whereyou can go, you know how far you
can go.
Yeah, you push yourself to, andthat's why it's interesting
that so many really successfulCEOs are like great athletes,
and because they know how farthey know they're going to push
(36:10):
themselves beyond the nextperson, they already know that,
like they know, there's no wayyou can hang with me long.
You may be running with meright now for like the first two
miles, but I'm not going to seeyou at mile 30.
Yeah, I'm not seeing you, I,but I'm not gonna see you at
mile 30.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I'm not seeing you, I'm not probably gonna see
a mile 10.
Are you sure they even thinkabout the other person?
that's true, that's true I don't, what do you know?
That's one of my mentors say sofor door, I mean.
One time he asked me.
I don't, I can't remember howhe asked me, so I'll just say,
paraphrasing, it was pretty muchasked, asked me about kind of
my mentality, and I neverthought about it.
(36:47):
But it went back to all thosemoments where I'm like, bro, I
only know one way.
I'm like I only know one way,and the way I know is to just go
crazy about the thing, just toupset.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
You remember that?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Oh, yeah, I used to sit in the bed yeah, oh, I
remember you were.
Uh, I don't know what you wereno, my mind is why I like that
100 percent.
No one knows.
My mom is so like I only knowone way to go.
Even when I attack real estateat your point, I literally just
(37:29):
think, all right, I'm willing togo further than anybody.
That's just how I am like whenI take it to basketball.
I remember this happened, this,this is before, so this is
after.
Like the coach had cut me orwhatever.
My freshman year at Del State.
So I used to always work out.
(37:49):
Well, this might have beenbefore that.
I used to always work out.
I'd go to track, work out, I'dhave my bungee cords work out,
do my thing, like I'm getting inshape for whatever opportunity
coming my way.
And I remember one day shoutout Big Scott.
That was one of my teammates,scott Seale.
He came out there.
He was getting extra work init's nighttime.
It's the fall, so the weather'snice.
I remember I finished myworkout, he started his, he ran
(38:14):
a lot.
He didn't even know I had seenhim Once he ran the bleachers.
I started running the bleachers.
He didn't even know A lot ofbleachers.
I started running the bleachers.
He didn't even know it becausea lot of people said it.
I didn't stop until he finishedhis workout.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I was already done with my workout.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
But when I seen him come out there and work out, my
mind just went to that modewhere I have to get an advantage
.
To me it was wired.
I was like I got to get myadvantage, so he's running.
I don't feel like running thesesteps no more.
I was tired of running thesteps, but my mind I was like no
, because I knew if the momentcame and it was time for me to
(38:53):
get my opportunity.
As you know, things happen.
I needed something to lean backon and those would be the
things you talk to yourselfabout in your head, like
remember this, remember you putthat extra work in.
You got it.
You'll be able to referencethose things.
So when I hopped into realestate, it was the same thing
and it just happened out ofhabit, where it was nothing for
me to go to Chicago one day andcome back in the same day.
(39:14):
It was nothing for me to get onthe phone with P and say I just
want to, yo let me you therealtor of the year and the
whole of Chicago hey.
I'm about to shadow you thewhole day.
I just want to sit through thewhole day.
I just want to go, probablywith you.
Nobody never asks for nothinglike that, but for me that's how
my mind went, because it's likeI have to navigate this
(39:35):
different.
I'm not used to nobody givingme anything.
I'm not used to somebody sayinghere's a red carpet.
I'm not used to any of that.
So I'm like I got to figure outmy way and that's.
I got to go further thananybody else.
If they say this is what we'redoing, we're going to show y'all
10 properties, I might be deadtired.
(39:55):
You know, let me see five more.
Let me see five more Everybodycoming in on Friday.
I'm coming on Wednesday becauseI need that extra work.
That's just what I'm used to.
Now I can go there because I'mused to going there.
I'm used to that.
That's all I know.
All I know is that kind ofthing.
That's how I just attackeverything.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Here's the word Attack everything.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's the word.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's the word right there Attack everything, attack
everything.
I like that one.
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