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June 15, 2025 12 mins
Subscribe now for the full episode. "Top Secret" subscribers get a free one-year digital subscription to The Nation! Danny speaks with Matt Karp, associate professor of history at Princeton, about party formation in the 1850s as well as his take on the Trump phenomenon. They explore the downfall of the Whigs and rise of the Republicans, the structure of the political parties at the beginning of the republic, the relationship of ideology and party, why we have a giant two-party system despite regional differences, mass democracy in the 19th century and today, Trump minimalists vs. maximalists, and more.    Check out Matt’s book This Vast Southern Empire: Slaveholders at the Helm of American Foreign Policy and his article on Trump for New Left Review, “Maxed Out.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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