August 6, 2025 • 44 mins
Episode 158: NYT best-selling author Jake Cohen visits the pod (for the third time!) to discuss our mutual love of salads, Gen Z jeans, and of course his most recent cookbook: Dinner Party Animal.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to, and here's Modi.
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If you're with your kidsdriving them back from school,
if you're shopping and have usin your ears, we are so happy to
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be a part of your life.
And today in the studio we haveJake Cohen, the New York times
bestselling cookbook author,cookbook author and chef, jake
Cohen, with a new book comingout called dinner party animal
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hi Jake, hi Jake, oh, my God Number three.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think this is number three Love this is it.
Oh my God, I can't believe thisis number three.
I think this is number three.
Love this is it.
And chazaka, and you justcalled the chazaka.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'll probably be back again too.
Of course it's an open invite.
I was thinking about the lasttime I was here and I was just
like, oh the stories I have, Ijust need it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You've been.
You want me to start.
I want you to start those ofyou who don't know jay cohen was
in israel when the events withiran happened, yeah, where the
airspace was closed and youcouldn't leave and, um, and it
was the height of of gay pridein israel and you were there,
tell us, yeah, um.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So I went for a federation mission, which was
was incredible.
It was an LGBT mission to kindof really like.
We went to the South, we got tobear witness.
I got to really kind of likeexplore Tel Aviv and a lot of
like the LGBT center and thenonprofits and NGOs that like
federation helped support, whichwas amazing.
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And then kind of like the bonusof like doing all of the the
mitzvah work was.
Then it ended and Pride wasspeaking and I had a weekend
planned.
I had tickets to everything.
We were ready and it was nicewhen you say tickets to
everything, let them knowthey're not the raves,
everything.
And again it's like wild.
It's just like tens ofthousands of gay men in the park
(02:05):
while Celebrating While Ofraplays this non-binary DJ Not
really, but like sort of it's avibe, but it's playing like
crazy music.
And it's just wild because thisone especially was such an
interesting one because it wasonly like Israelis from America
and Jews from around the worldin the diaspora who were there.
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It wasn't really like a touristpride like a lot of cities have
.
So that was really special.
And it was night one.
I was at this party calledForever and it's like three in
the morning and I'll neverforget, because I think you guys
know this by now.
I'm a little psychic, I'm alittle witchy, oh, yeah, for
(02:48):
sure, you definitely feel awitch, a little witchy, and so I
turned to my friend it's like2.55 and go, I think it's time
we go.
And the second I say that thesirens start going.
And then so literally we alllike, like, hundreds of
shirtless men are piling intothis bunker and we didn't know
what was going on.
(03:08):
And then we went home and itwas a whole thing Like it was
just crazy.
But then the party still keptgoing, Like I heard there were
DJs in, everything got canceledand everything went underground
and metaphorically and literally.
I will not confirm or deny myparticipation in as much
listings, but everything was wasdone.
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Really it's, I think, thecraziest part of that.
And I was there with none otherthan judy gold and she, who did
not have the weekend in telaviv that I did.
I at one point I like I calledher and I said get out, I'm
taking you to my favorite bakerybecause she wasn't leaving the
hotel.
I'm like stop it, this is crazy.
(03:49):
It's fine, we're going forcroissants and then you're on
the beach all day.
The resilience is insane, themindset of having to be so
locked in, of safety, like allright, where's the shelter, how
do we get in?
Stop everything.
To then all of a suddencompartmentalizing that and be
like all right, we gotta getback to normal life, back to
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work, back to back tovacationing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Back to vacationing on vacation reaffirms my belief
that nothing good happens at anyparty past 3 30 am.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
No, no no, that's a I will say yes, because I there
was one.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Oh, my God, you know what I'll say it.
And worst comes to worst.
I'll ask you to take it out.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, that's a good.
Yeah, there's a safe space.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So that happened because there's this couple.
This is really a couple.
They have like little kids.
They lived in Williamsburg fora little bit and they threw this
house party and everyone likeso many people you know were
there.
Everyone I knew I was invitingeveryone, we knew it was so much
fun.
And at 2 am they're like sorry,we have to shut this down.
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The neighbors were complainingBecause again, no one's gotten a
full night's sleep in months,and they were like we're not
going to let a bunch of gayskeep us up at night when there
aren't any missiles, as if thewar wasn't bad enough.
Exactly.
So they shut down the party andI went back to someone's
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apartment with a couple offriends and then so we're
hanging out and all of a suddenthe sirens go off or we get the,
the there's the appnotification that like
something's coming.
And so I just turn to one ofthe guys.
(05:37):
I'm like all right, where'syour shelter?
They didn't have one like oh,but there's like a basement
shelter, right, like no, I'mlike what are we doing?
And they're like don't worry,it's fine.
The stairwell's concrete, likewe'll go down in the stairwell,
(05:59):
it's all going to be good.
They were so chill.
They were so chill, so I was sochill and so like they were so
chill, so I was so chill, and umand so like we continued your
monopoly game.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Exactly exactly it was it was a really good card
game monopoly.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
it was yeah, yeah, it was uno and uh, yeah, and then
the sirens went off and we headdown to the stairwell and still
so chill.
And how it works is like thefront door had to be open
because it's glass and theshockwaves will blow out the
glass.
So there's always like a brickwall a few feet in front of the
front door and you like enter itthrough the side.
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So the doors open, we're downbecause they just wanted to sit
on the stairs and there are allthese windows.
I'm like no, we're going down,I need to be protected.
I'm not like staying, I'm likenot playing.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I have a book coming out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Exactly, I got press.
I can't have shrapnel in thisface.
That's what you think, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
like when I was like, hey, let's go skiing.
No, I have a show at the RadioStreet Musical, I'm not skiing,
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's how you have a book coming out hearing the
missiles, oh my god.
And again you're just hearingthe, the what's being taken out
by the dome and it's so violent,it is so violent.
And then there was.
This was the night, this waslike at 4 am, uh, and there's,
there's a direct hit on allenby,which was just a few blocks
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away, and the whole building isshaking and it is so loud and it
sounds like it happened rightoutside.
Obviously it didn't, um, andand luckily I could I couldn't
even imagine or fathom what itmust have been like if it was
even closer.
But, um, they start freakingout.
And once they start freaking out, you're full blown, you begin
(07:44):
losing and at one point what oneof the guys turns, he goes
because there was like a stop.
And then he's like, okay, run.
And we literally run, sprintdown the street.
We got into his friend'sbuilding.
Then we got right into theirfriend's apartments, mamad,
which was packed with gay menincluding all.
Like we're just like, and then,like they close the door,
(08:05):
there's another round.
I'm like like finally likecoming to of, like looking
around, like what's happening.
I see this couple that I met ingreenpoint a few weeks ago.
I'll be like what are you doinghere?
um jake would find someone heknows and yeah, and that was the
first and last time I wentanywhere without having a true,
(08:25):
clear plan Where's the nearestshelter?
Where's this, where's that?
I wouldn't.
There was someone wanted me tocome and take a car to.
They were like come for dinnerin the north of Tel Aviv and it
just would have been like a 17minute Uber and I was like, no,
I won't go.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I just can't.
I was just can't.
I was just like how long totalwere you there?
I was there, for it was likeyou were there for a month, but
you know, for like a week, right, it was like 10 days, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And when?
How did you get out judy and Iwent through, uh, jordan?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
so tell us about that , like tell us about that.
What did that day look like youanother great israel with judy
gold.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
We were stuck at the border for like seven hours.
I actually got how did that daylook?
Like you flee Israel with JudyGold, we're stuck at the border
for like seven hours.
I actually got detained becausethey found some gay sexual
paraphernalia in my luggage andthey were like this is illegal.
And I was like throw it out.
What did you have?
Poppers or something?
No, no, no, we don't need it,it's a family podcast.
You have a poppers or something?
(09:26):
No, no, no, we don't need it,no, no, it's a family podcast.
Um, yeah, and I was like throwit out.
And luckily they were.
They were very chill about it,but for a hot second I was like.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I was like I just oh my god, jay cohen detained in a
jordanian prison that'll be yournext cookbook Like what's a
cook and, like Martha Stewartdid, taste of the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh, my God, yeah.
And then I came home.
What was Judy like that day?
Yeah, I can't imagine, judy, welove you, but what was she was
miserable.
I have such a great picture ofher at the border control.
Wow, I've never seen her lookbecause, again, she typically
that's part of her, her part ofher, her bit is like, she's
always a little just.
(10:10):
She's always a little likeangry, right, like and uh, and
this was like a bad day a badday a bad day.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It was a bad day.
Yeah, it's not a great day whenyou know when you're going
through order.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I can even imagine.
So how'd you get to the border?
How like a bus, a bus, a bus,bus.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Bus is to bus.
And then you just physicallydrive over a border and then you
like have to Go to like anin-between area, that you yeah,
like a no man's land, and yeahit was-.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And then you go to the, to the jordan did anyone
brief you on like what to say ornot to say, or like did they
you?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
honestly, it was so chaotic because, you have to
remember, it's like everyone wastrying to get out.
It was yeah, yeah, no, no, itwas wild.
And so I got home I literallywalked into the apartment and I
started crying.
I was like so chill the wholetime because the adrenaline is
right, so going, and I got homeand I like kind of all settled
in of what had just happened thelast week and so I took a very
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chill, stoned weekend by myself.
Like everyone was like, oh,come to this party or come out
to the.
I know so many gays that wentstraight from JFK getting home
to the Pines.
I'm like are you crazy?
A lot of them regretted it butlike yeah, that's a lot, but you
can go to the Pines and justchill, I don't want to be around
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that many people.
Oh, you just did Especially thatmany.
You just dealt with gay peopleand pride in this lens.
It's like, oh, I just wanted tobe alone.
But yeah, and then where elsewere you?
You were in Berlin.
I went to Berlin.
Navot had a big art opening,which was insane.
He's like so huge in Europe.
It was so packed Like one ofthere was a painting of me that
was in the collection.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Wow, People don't know.
Navot is this artist Navot isthis Israeli artist.
You met him in Berghain.
I did.
Yeah, he's this Israeli artistthat Jake met in Berghain and
he's not Hasidic, but he has.
He has a pay, is coming out ofhis head, and when you dance
with him at a club, it's likethe light, the backlight of him
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is insane.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And they bounce, and it bounces.
It's amazing.
That was honestly, literally,that was so literally his.
He had just moved to New Yorkand I brought him to base yeah,
you, first time with you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You're like I was like get in the car.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I went with you.
Leo didn't go, I know, but itwas like you're dancing in
basement with him and the lightscoming from behind and it's all
, and you see some guy with aPalestinian shmata the.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And then you the keffiyeh, and then you and then
you and with his little payasjust jumping up and down and
it's, it's like whoa, yeah, andit's amazing.
His art is beautiful yeah, fromwhat I've seen and so I haven't
seen any live but beautiful,he's so talented.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It was really really special for his opening, yeah.
And then we uh, how long wereyou in?
Uh, just like four days.
Okay, four days we went toberghain, but only for like a
cute 13 hours yeah I don't thinkthis leads listeners know what
Berghain is.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's the capital of techno music in the world.
Very nice, perfect.
And then I went straight toParis with Lou and a friend of
mine, another artist, and wewere there.
Our other friend was doing this, our friend, jordan Roth, was
doing this performance.
Oh, I saw that, yeah, which wasreally special.
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And then I found out that myroommate Benj and a bunch of our
friends were in London.
So I was like okay, let me.
I hopped on the Eurostar thetrain.
It was a two-hour train ridefrom Paris.
I was like amazing.
And then I just went to Londonfor a week.
Jake is down.
I was like amazing, and then Ijust went to London for a week,
jake is down.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I am down, jake is.
He is down.
You're in London, I'm in Paris,he's on that train.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Did a great oh my God , we had the sweetest Shabbat
with Jesse Ware and her mom andlike and all of our friends.
So what was your favorite thingyou ate in?
Uh, everyone always asks us, sodon't roll your eyes.
No, no, no, no, no, I don't.
I don't eat a ton in berlin,but my favorite thing is.
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My favorite thing is you makeit from the club and go straight
to sophie the bakery, which isone of my favorite bakeries in
the world and they do the mostincredible sourdough, so you
could get a sandwich and somepastries and a coffee.
Yeah, you love it, and they doa.
They do a great ginger lemontea which is like after you've
been partying.
It's just like it's.
(14:35):
It feels like you're doing likea full spa day and carbo
loading this is also helpfulbecause people come up to you.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You've told me this that people come up to you and
and they go.
How are you so?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
skinny, you must not eat what you cook.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But people don't understand that you are jumping
up and down doing cardio forlike 12 hours straight.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I'll bike anywhere, I'll do whatever it takes so I
can have that croissant.
And if I didn't, I'd have yourbody.
I'd be like, hmm, the second Icut those things out.
That's when we're like no, Ilove a pastry.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
We eat a pastry, we eat two.
I know, oh, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So let's.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, should we talk about Dinner Party Animal?
Yeah, so this is book numberThree.
Three, and walk us through thefirst two again Jew-ish, jew-ish
, which we have, and I couldnosh I and I know what's coming
up.
Yes, I know what's coming up.
We actually wait.
So dinner party animal is theone that is not the one that we
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were testing.
A lot of recipes in Fire Island, some of them yeah, the
combination.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You had a bunch of ones because we were in Fire
Island right before I Canoshcame out.
So I was doing a lot of likepress stuff for I Canosh.
I was bringing a lot of stuff Iwas cooking from I Canosh to
stuff I could not.
She was bringing a lot of stuffI was cooking from I could nosh
to fire Island.
But I also started to test abunch of recipes.
So that's where, like, a lot ofthe stuff I talk about I talk
about like fire Island in thethe curry recipes.
It was that one.
There was that one week whereeveryone had such a different
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dietary restriction and it wasso difficult.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, and I, yeah, and I was like, well, one of my
favorite fire island memoriesbecause we had a few weeks with
you out there is like you and aspeedo in the kitchen on friday
making challahs and it was likethe smell and seeing jake cohen
in action and fire.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I can say that I was there when that whole, when you
crossed the line across the line, I was sitting at the table
having a little salad and jakeis making his challah and he's
got the phone all set up andhe's wearing, he's greased up
from like, uh, sunscreen, suntanoil and whatever it was, and
you're wearing a, a bikini,bathing suit with your entire,
(16:40):
like anybody people I'm, I knowthe, I know the oil.
And then and you that was thebeginning of you cooking
shirtless-y and very sexy, and Iwas sitting right there in
front of the phone.
I can literally that's when itbegan and I remember you posting
it and just it blowing up Love.
It was just amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It was so good.
Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
But this one again the wholepoint of this is like people are
so intimidated from hostingabout hosting.
It is point of this is likepeople are so intimidated from
hosting, about hosting, and thiswas I wanted to create and it
was even something I got for myfirst two books where people be
like, oh my God, I love thisrecipe of yours, what do I serve
with it?
And so this book is actuallyjust 16 menus.
That's all broken down.
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It's got all the recipes, yourgrocery list, your timeline,
like everything you know, sothat you can like throw dinner
party and it's mainly like foreveryday occasions, but there's
also like a full Thanksgivingmenu and a full Passover menu,
Wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
How exciting.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Is there anything that exists in your head that's
like a connective thread?
But books like for that, superfans would know like you're like
.
Oh, I would take this from thefirst book and do it with this
of this book, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I actually talk about it in this book, where I call
out specific recipes from myother books and being like, ooh,
this would be a good addition,this would be a good swap, like,
yeah, I love, I love thatbecause there's always a.
There's always a super.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It is intimidating hosting.
We're hosting now inConnecticut and we've become a
host, Even though it's just likeclose friends and family you
gotta like, I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I barbecue.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I did not do these recipes, folks.
I barbecued some stuff.
Good, we love that we love,amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I will look at this book.
When we host, we're hostingreally close friends and they're
cooking themselves too, andthey're all, of course.
Of course, they're all.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, no one's competitive for the viewers at
home.
I am not one of these reallyclose friends yet.
Yeah you have an open, you justlive busy all those places you
have been, I would be there in asecond.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
In a second you invite, I'm there yeah, yeah,
and it's no, no, but and andthen that fire island house
everybody was so competitivethey were trying to outdo each
other with cooking them and leoand I like we're okay with, like
, a chicken salad 100 low-fatpantry chicken salad and I'm set
and a thing of mary's gone.
Crackers done, mary's gone whileyou were doing everything you
were cooking was so it was so anincredible thing to see, just
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like how you were likesuntanning, and then coming back
and doing a little somethingand coming in and making it so
easy.
It's like unbelievable.
You just have it.
You have it and you're anamazing host and you make all of
your your guests feel so lovedand it comes out in the book and
this book comes out september30th.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And what do you have planned?
What's up?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
talk about?
What can you?
Yeah, the best thing is, like Iwanted to kind of really blow
out the two things whichobviously it's like a play on,
uh, the fact that I love adinner party and I'm also a
party animal, hence the story.
But the venn diagram, the venndiagram, yeah, so I always
typically launch at the strikercenter, which we were just at
for your podcast taping, withincredible, and I, um, yeah, and
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then I also, when I was inIsrael, I got to go to the
hostage forum, which wasincredibly powerful.
What I wanted to do is do a booktalk, which I always do, but
have it be more so like a dinnerparty.
So it's going to be all of myfavorite people on stage with me
in conversation, acting likepretty much.
We'll set up a dinner table onthe stage, and so it's going to
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be everyone from modi to, uh,benj pasic, alex edelman uh,
potentially there are a coupleof others, but, um, it's looking
like judy gold will join aswell, which will be amazing, and
then we'll see what other, whatother surprise guests will pop
in.
Isaac Mizrahi, I think so too.
I think he's going to round itout.
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Yeah, and then afterwards I'mthrowing a rave in the basement.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh, wow Of that Stryker Center, Of the Stryker
Center, but you have tocoordinate because they did
their own thing once and itwasn't rave-y.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, it wasn't, which is why I'm literally taking over
.
Emile cohen's gonna dj, so it'sgonna be like, obviously, of
mother disco, which has explodedin new york and everywhere, and
so it's gonna be fun, it'sgonna be amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I read the um, the menu list that's on listed on
the pages where we're featuredon yeah, Picture of me and you.
So this menu is oh do we nothave pages Like it's a Gamora,
like it's the armored, yeah,okay, so we have a squash
cucumber salad, a harissacucumber salad, carrot, harissa
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carrot salad, kale andpomegranate salad, lemony
turmeric rice, rice, tofu currywith roasted cauliflower, sweet
potatoes and chickpeas.
That's the one we ate on fireisland and chocolate covered
halva stuff dates.
Yeah, that's a really any callouts there, any main like the.
That's a lot of salads, no, butyeah that's the whole idea of
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this.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, again, that's also very middle eastern.
It's to have a bunch ofprepared salads and again, a lot
of these are are other than thekale salad.
These aren't like, uh, lettucesalads, they're just like
vegetables.
It's more so just like coldcarrot preparations and you
could do in advance that you doin advance.
That's kind of the whole pointwith a lot of these menus.
These are all recipes that workreally well of like two days in
advance You're going to prepall this day before you're going
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to prep all this.
So it makes it easy.
So no one's like.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I love when you, when you hit those restaurants in
Israel and they have like, assoon as you sit down, they just
bring like 10 different saladson the table Exactly.
It's a carrot and and Kuvit andall of that and yeah, it's so
good.
It's so good.
I love that stuff when you justboom and you already have with
tannash on Exactly A little pitaand then you just order a
little piece of fish or chickenand then just, but the salads
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are all.
Salads are just and there's noguilt in eating salads.
It's a salad, it's healthy,it's a salad of course, Exactly
Um.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm looking at Kielbasa in a blanket.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What's your next thing?
Like travel-wise.
What's your like?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I am on the local circuit of the Hamptons, fire
Island and ProvincetownProvincetown's not so local See.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
And you wonder why you haven't made it to
Connecticut yet.
You are busy, just like we arebusy.
We're gonna.
To get our schedules tocoordinate is not easy To get
our schedules to coordinate.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
All we got to do is text and coordinate them, girl.
Okay, I love that.
I'm only doing one week on FireIsland this year.
I think it's been Well, we'retaking a break, we're taking a
break.
I very much have this on-offmentality which this year.
I was craving a European summer, and now I think I'm going to
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have.
We have Europe at home, and nowI think I've got to have Europe
at home, and now it's like Ihave Europe.
Next year I think I'll just behere and then I will start my
tour in the fall and so I'll bebouncing all around.
I'll be in on the West coast.
I'll be kind of just a littlebit of everywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You go hard when you promote these books.
You go hard.
They're buying you the.
You go hard when you promotethese books.
You go hard, they're buying you.
The book is just like a vehicleto you, completely.
Now, if you've ever been in aroom with Jake Cohen, you feel
it.
It's like a.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's the it factor, it's the it factor, it's all
energy, it's all energy.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
He's so sweet.
It's like in the summer and youget to and then you get a book
to go home with it.
It's like you take that energywith you.
It's so great.
It's so great and the book isuseful.
There we go and everybody talksabout how they changed
something.
I didn't put that, but I putsomething else and it was
delicious.
It's such a vibe.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It's a Jake Cohen vibe, something that doesn't
have to do with food.
What do you want to talk about?
Let's see clothing I love.
What are you watching?
What are you reading?
No, you, what are you buyingclothes?
I love everything you wear.
Okay, pause.
Yes, I want to hear this, buthe's used to call me out for
being toddler wear and he's notnot in toddler wear today oh, no
, no well, yeah this is my ratemy susan alexandra rave necklace
(24:38):
that I made um again.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
We love a jewish business.
Uh, jewess, these pants are ata.
It's incredible we know atayeah, um, and I am like very
into gen z jeans right now thebig okay, but you're tall and
you can like this like you'redoing baggy, huge baggy pants
and a tank top.
I look like a rug rat.
Oh, I love it.
I look like a rug rat.
(25:01):
I can't.
I just got these, these, theseorange corduroy pants Literally.
When I tell you they are, it'salmost comical how big they are.
My sister thinks that I lookridiculous and I feel so I love
it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And I live on the Lower East Side and I see all
these Gen Z kids and they arewearing the biggest pants you've
ever seen in your life.
But they're all tall and thinand they just have these big
baggy denim or big baggy cargoshorts and they look cool
because they just do it withlike a rib tank and like that's
a camo trucker hat and I'm likeyou look amazing right now.
If I wore that, I would lookcrazy, like a crazy person also.
(25:35):
I'm just I don't have theheight for the gen z cut.
No, you wear his he's got twolooks.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
he's either looks like a toddler or like an over
over oversized shirt and pantsand he's just walking like a
little toddler, or he looks likethe captain of the
Czechoslovakian gymnastics team.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Oh yes, last time I saw him hewas that.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Captain of the Czechoslovakian gymnastics team.
Yeah, obsessed.
That's what I struggle with, butthe main thing I will say it's
like in terms of reading, Ihaven't been watching a ton of
stuff like I have gotten into.
I'm in just like my self-helpera of I only read self-help
books.
I love self-help.
It's the only thing I can read.
I've gotten so witchy and woowoo talk about it.
(26:19):
Well, it's like we talk becauseyou called me right after I did
the Hoffman process.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that it waslike this woo-woo retreat in the
woods.
They take your phone for a week.
You like unpack all the patternsyou inherited from childhood
and and create it's likeritualized ways to create new
neural pathways to kind of fightwhat's so ingrained in you, um,
which I really loved and itworked.
(26:41):
Oh, it's amazing, like you,just when you, the more you work
on yourself and I'm very biginto like manifestation through,
like meditation and positiveintentional thinking and mantra,
that's very motive, very muchLike, actually I will say the
create our I.
It's gotten me much closer toour friend Kelsey because, like
I think I was able to connect tohim on a much more of a
spiritual level.
Yeah, and he's very when you,when you tap into that world,
(27:06):
you all of a sudden realize like, oh, I need a community of
people that are also like hungryfor bettering themselves and
like deepening their connectionto the universe.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yes, that's why, whenever you're in a room with
people who are trying to betterthemselves, you feel it that
Tony Robbins those events thathe has.
You're in a room of people whowant to make themselves.
You feel it that Tony Robbinsthose events that he has.
You're in a room of people whowant to make themselves better.
You know, I went to theKabbalah Center.
You're in that room of peoplewho are like there just to
better themselves.
Like how can I be a moresharing and better person?
(27:40):
It's a different energy whenyou go to a regular synagogue
where everybody's just there toshow an outfit off or to go kick
.
Some people are there toconnect spiritually, but it's
not the main focus.
When you are at a retreat ofpeople trying to become better
people, you feel it likeeverybody in this room wants to
be a better version ofthemselves.
You feel it and that's where Iguess that hopping process is
yes, and again it all ties intoeverything.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's like I I love a little tarot in my life, but not
from like a.
It's reading the future, butit's the sense of.
There is a lot of conversationaround the neuroscience, around
the randomness of a deck ofcards allows you to get these
very generalized readings.
But if you're doing a lot ofintrospective work, when you see
what you have, these visceralreactions to like what aspects
(28:22):
of these very generalized thingsthat can really apply to most
people, you start to see likewhat your subconscious is
telling you to really attach to.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's well, it's.
So you have like astrology,yeah, same deal.
Where it gives you like, here'sthe good and bad of every sign.
So it just tells you, forexample, we're hosting, okay,
and there's nothing I hate morethan eating outdoors.
I just hate eating outdoors.
I don't know why.
I just don't like it.
But Leo Cook made this wholemeal.
It was so beautiful and it wasa nice day.
(28:52):
The salmon no, no, no, wow.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Actually no, wow, I love that, I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Kosher chicken Period and he did vegetables and
everything, and we have thiswhole area for outdoor dining.
Yeah, of course I'm like,please, god, let's not use this,
let's just go inside with theair conditioning and then they
say hey, hey, we'll, we'll,we'll, let's eat outside.
And I said, okay, I'm a Taurus,I have that Taurus energy who
loves to be comfortable.
I said, okay, no problem, I'mgoing to go against what I want
(29:23):
to do.
You have to know to go againstwhat you want to do.
That's what your sign tells you.
So a Taurus is stubborn andloves comfort, right.
So I said, okay, I'm easy,let's sit outside, let's set it
up.
And it worked out beautiful.
And I got this big fan that wasleft there from the
construction to get the bugs out.
And it was amazing.
It wasn't hot, the sun was atthe right thing and it was nice.
(29:44):
It worked out.
But that's what it is.
Your astrology sign is to showyou the good and bad, yeah.
And then connect to the Taurusenergy of being dependable.
You're steady, you know it'sgood, you can do a routine over
and over the gym, filling anddavening and all of that.
(30:04):
That's that energy too, thatyou connect to both of them.
And so there's good and bad inevery sign.
You know it's like don't yourwhole life around it, but like
know what to watch out for.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, if you're an Aquarius,you should be very like.
It's an addictive sign.
So be careful, be careful.
(30:25):
But it's also an unbelievableway to get somewhere without
going from point A to B in astraight line.
They know how to figure it outin another way.
So it's all.
These signs have amazing things, but you've just known Bodhi's
randomly good at astrology.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I love that, but this is what I'm saying.
I think that and one of my.
I have many controversialopinions, but one of them is
that this is where you say them.
I know I know when else I thinkpeople.
I think we live in a societythat has too many therapists and
not enough spiritual leaders,like I think people need more
rabbi presence in their lifethan therapy presence in their
life, because I think that youneed these types of connections
(31:01):
and conversations, a tap to likeancient wisdom and also with
this idea of like, I think a lotof people are doing it because
they think it's what they'resupposed to do to make them
better, but they're not Doingtherapy, therapy, but they're
not taking an active role in theritual, which is so important.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I also think that people and I'm not putting down-
therapy, wow.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, it's incredible.
You find the power you havewith a great therapist that's
right for you is magical.
My conversation is I think alot of people don't do the work
to find a therapist.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I will tell you, the moment I really knew that I
didn't need therapy was I havean uncle figure in my life, very
successful Israeli businessman,and we hadn't seen him.
I hadn't seen him in a longtime and for family drama and
dynamics.
And then we had lunch and thenhe turns to me after lunch.
(31:54):
It was a lovely lunch, wecaught up on each other's lives
and so happy.
And you know, he says to meModi, I want to tell you
something.
You've turned out much betterthan anybody's expectations.
I took it, I left it there onthe table for the waitress to
unpack with the tip.
Of course Somebody who's intherapy would have run to
(32:15):
therapy.
Of course I was like good, andhe meant it from an amazing
place.
You could also start like whatwas everybody's expectation of
me?
Why was I such a mess?
You know, that's when I waslike I'm good, thank you thank
you, we'll just move on.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Like too many people are like using therapy, speak to
, like justify things that areactually toxic behaviors.
Well, that in itself is likeyou're being toxic.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You're being this and it's like triggering sliding,
triggering you're being.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Everyone I feel like is just using.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I think everyone needs to take a ritualized
psychedelic experience andreally unpack.
What are the things that theyhave to be like, focusing on,
like.
I think the majority ofpeople's issues can a be
addressed in terms of likefiguring out what you need to do
with, like guided psychedelicwork, and then from there you
(33:11):
can figure out okay, what is theway that I then address this?
How which is saying that again,I think combinations of therapy
and potentially medication orpotentially, like I don't know a
million one ways that you canfix it.
But I think finding the rootcause of why people are unhappy
or anxious or any of thesethings are just like that should
(33:36):
be the first thing, instead ofjust putting a bandaid on the
issue.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, I want to say it's very obvious that whatever
work you are doing, it isworking because you're glowing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I come off happy.
People always say that I seemvery happy because I am.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
No, you are, and I'm sure you struggle with stuff,
just like everyone else.
But whenever you're around,jake Cohen, you don't feel it
and that is impressive.
And I see it when we're inthese big events that we go to
and there's lots of people andstrangers coming up to you and
you are like the people'sprincess, you are like Princess
Diana, and it is impressive,it's aspirational.
Yeah, I will say.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I will say those places.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do you know how hard it is for Leo to be in a rave?
And all those people.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm not talking about a rave honey.
I'm talking about the StrykerCenter.
Okay, the Stryker Center.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, rave honey.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I'm talking about the striker center, okay, the
striker center, yeah, yeah, butin a rave too I do.
Well, it doesn't matter, Idon't have a panic attack in a
walmart.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's like all those, all the things that were
stimulating it's overstimulating.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I love that stuff.
I uh, it's funny.
I went on a date recently andthe guy, the guy goes.
Yeah, I wouldn't reallyconsider myself a very, uh,
positive person.
You're like immediately and Iliterally was just like well, I
am and I don't know where we gofrom there for you like.
You said manifestation, one ofmy mantras.
One of my mantras, everythingworks out for me, and all my
(34:55):
friends now know like whensomething, something just
amazing, will happen.
It's like it happened withnevote, where he didn't he ended
up coming to paris with us justbecause and we didn't have a
ticket for him to I was tryingto get him to the into Jordan's
thing at the Louvre and theyended up just like whisking him
in and like putting a VIP thing.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I've seen that happen .
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And I just go.
I go to vote.
Everything works out for us.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, I've seen that happen.
It is true.
We were going into a party onetime and this was back when you
had to have an ID, you had tohave the COVID card and we all
had.
Remember it was at Cherry Grove, whatever the Ice Palace, and
we're all there and one of ourfriends had nothing, had nothing
(35:36):
.
We were like here's my ID,here's my COVID card, and he
goes here's my vape, that's all.
He had a vape, he goes, I justhave a vape.
And for somehow, somehow,everybody, two seconds, somebody
had a picture of his id,someone had a picture of his
thing, and it just boom, boom,boom and he, they walked in.
There's like there's never alittle different it's but it's
pretty good it's
Speaker 2 (35:55):
pretty say, I think if you go into these energies.
That's.
It's funny because I think,very similarly to the
conversation around like clubswith bouncers, or even like
talking about Berghain, aboutgetting into Berghain versus not
getting into Berghain I saythis all the time it's like
energy is everything.
If you're going up worried andfearful that you're not going to
(36:16):
get in or get rejected and thisis again you could say this
about getting into the club.
You could say this abouttalking to a cute person.
You could say this about goinginto a job interview anything.
If you could say this aboutgoing into a job interview
anything.
If you're going in with theheadspace of I'm going to get
rejected, it reads in your bodylanguage, reads on your energy,
it reads in your actions andmost likely, that's what's going
to happen, versus if you livewith a little more delusion of,
(36:39):
like, everything works out forme, oh, it just things.
Life is so much better.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What are some of your mantras?
You have your many, manymantras.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
First of all, everything I say, I say with the
beginning I am, and then endwith I am.
That's from Moses when he spokewith God.
I love that.
Who are you?
He said I am, that I am.
So you just whatever you wantyou put in there.
So you say I am success.
I am Not.
I want success because God willgive you more of what you want,
(37:10):
not the success.
So I am put everything.
I am in a healthy relationshipwith my husband.
I am.
I am enjoying every moment oflife I am.
I am blessed with family andparents that are doing well,
baruch Hashem, I am.
And then you know when Imanifest things and at the end I
have it all written down and Igo to the Rebbe's oil and I put
(37:31):
it in there.
You know wherever grave I go to.
And then when things work outat the end of the thing I type
in thank you Hashem, thank youGod, because it manifested.
It's like you know, Like youknow the beacon shows.
I'm selling out beacon shows.
We saw three and I put at theend I put thank you Hashem.
And then it just you gotta bepositive, you gotta be like it's
(37:52):
already happened, like it'salready happened.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Wild.
Yeah, oh my God, it reminds me.
Did you end up talking on thepodcast about that dinner?
I literally can't stop talkingabout the last time I saw you at
the Tablet Magazine SinaiAwards.
Oh my God, you never talkedabout that on the pod, did you?
No, no, wait, you saw thepictures.
I saw the pictures.
So literally I go in, I'msitting, it's literally what a
(38:16):
table.
It's me, modi, debra Messing,barry Weiss, and we're all
talking all this stuff.
I'm like so not in it.
And then we go.
We have this little break andall this.
They're honoring all thesepeople, like 10 people that make
the world a freer place.
Yeah, and all of a sudden theystart talking about azalea banks
(38:36):
and I turn and she's seatedthere and I, literally in a
sheer, like moaning, I, I, justI go, oh my, and of course, like
nobody knows who she is, I am,I was dying.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I had no idea.
So I our tape, so we weresitting like this and the chair
my chair was here.
So at one point, when there waslike a lull or they were
serving something, I turned toher and she was the only person
there of color.
She was the only person thereof color and I was just.
I spoke to her.
I go to her.
Do you think we're gonna havesoup?
I said to her.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I had no idea who she's a zillion.
It's just really crazy that,like the landscape we're living
is is like because azalea banksis known for her, just like
unhinged, unhinged, crazy thingsthat she says.
But she's been so on the noseabout israel and like vocal
about it in a online uh bubblethat usually isn't.
(39:32):
Do you remember fire island?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
what about it?
my obsession and I was playingnew bottega on repeat and then
we went to the party and therewas that and it came on to that
remix and I lose, lose again.
I think she is.
So I literally go up to her.
I go, modi, I have to go say hi.
So the thing ends.
I run up to her, she's sittingdown, I get on my knees and I
(39:55):
grab her hand and I go.
I do not go a day withoutlistening to your music.
And then we end up sitting thewhole night together.
I get her number.
She's been sending me thewildest voice notes.
No way, obsessed, obsessed icon.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
The one night.
I don't go to one of theseevents by the way, I was getting
dressed and I was like I have aheadache, I don't want to eat a
salmon piece on a thing like,and I didn't go and I.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I had no idea what I was coming into and I texted a
lot of new house, theeditor-in-chief, who, again, I
think tablet is so brilliant,such a wonderful place.
I'm also like doing a greatfeature for the new book, which
I love.
Okay, then I will say what else?
No, again, they are polar, andthat's the thing that I love.
That you called out is likethey're so polarizing, and one
of the things that they pridethemselves on is like a lot of
(40:49):
the people in the room were onboth sides of the political
spectrum, religious spectrum.
They really try to makeeveryone angry, which they do.
They try to make everyone angry, which they do they try to?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
make everyone, which they do, stir the pot, but what
they really did is they createda space of Mashiach energy where
everything was oneness All thepeople that are on the different
sides of whatever spectrum.
It was all connected with thefact that it's okay that
everybody's on the differentsides.
They disagree, and all of that.
Enjoy your disagreement, enjoyit, enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
As agreement.
Enjoy it.
Enjoy it as long as you'representing it well.
As long as you're presenting itwell.
100 I love, I love, love that.
And I texted her after I waslike this was incredible, I'll
come to any, any tablet eventthey do.
I'm there because I was justyou had.
There was farmers and actorsand newscasters and people were
from all walks of life.
And then, obviously, debraMessing came out and did the
most gorgeous speech and like Ifeel, such like it's like I feel
(41:53):
like she's my mother.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I sat next to her.
Is it her assistant?
Her producer?
I don't know what.
You call her her right hand?
It's her right hand and I felt,Leo, energy A hundred percent
Like she, this woman, this isLeo.
Energy, this is like she's ontop of everything.
It was so funny.
Like you know, this is whathappened.
(42:15):
So we're sitting there and andshe's making sure we get
pictures.
You know she's making sure weget pictures.
You know she's doing thepictures, just like Leo does.
I don't know how to take apicture.
And then Debra asked for herphone.
And then she's holding herphone and she goes Debra's going
to take a picture.
And then I said to her, so Isaid to her assistant, I said to
her do you let her post on herInstagram?
(42:37):
And she goes it's a situation.
It's a situation, it's asituation and I'm like, no, I'm
allowed to post, but I wouldnever just hit the button until
I showed Leo I mean the spellingand the spelling involved in
posting all kinds of things thathave to be tagged in this.
Put a ticket in there.
And so yeah, but but I was likehysterical.
(43:00):
It just shows you the dynamicright away.
She goes it's a situation.
Well, she could do whatever shewants.
She could do whatever she wants.
She is grace from that show,and I mean she's grace from that
show.
I know that one show, yeah, ohmy God, icon.
No, no, she's an icon and she'sgetting and there's checks
(43:26):
coming in non-stop so it doesn'thave to worry about anything
and she can say what she wantsand she does and bless her heart
.
Huge fan of that, huge fan,huge.
I'm a big fan of you, jake, ohfan.
And there's books coming out.
How can people reach you andknow about you and and connect
to that jake cohen energy?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
tell them we go at jake cohen on instagram on
tiktok you could watch I gotta Ion cable so you could watch.
Jake Makes it Easy on A&ESecond season is premiering
right now.
Yeah, new book out September30th Dinner Party Animal.
Get it, wherever Modi will bethere at the Striker Center
October 4th.
It's going to be Wow In that900 seat room In the big one.
(44:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,wow amazing we were.
Originally we were gonna do inthe main sanctuary, but they had
to build the sukkah that night.
Oh so pissed, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
It's fine, it'll be great, it'll be great and that's
it, and I'm on morilifecomShows everywhere we're in Paris,
berlin, vienna, amsterdam,amsterdam, israel.
Possibly when are you doingBerlin November?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
20th, 20th, yeah, oh, we're going to be in touch.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, yeah, and we've left some space there between
the other shows, and Paris andVienna is going to be amazing
too, and amazing shows.
Everything is on tour.
Find a show near you or nearone of your friends and get some
tickets.
Be the friend that brings thefriends to the comedy show.
Oh, just to laugh with yourfriends.
That's Mashiach Energy.
Thank you all very, very muchfor listening in and tuning in
(44:54):
and just being a part of.
And here's Modi.
Thank you, love you.
Welcome to, and here's Modi.
Welcome back to, and here'sModi.
Whatever you are doing,whatever exercise you are doing,
whatever it is, increase it alittle more.
If you're with your kidsdriving them back from school,
if you're shopping and have usin your ears, we are so happy to
(00:23):
be a part of your life.
And today in the studio we haveJake Cohen, the New York times
bestselling cookbook author,cookbook author and chef, jake
Cohen, with a new book comingout called dinner party animal
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hi Jake, hi Jake, oh, my God Number three.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think this is number three Love this is it.
Oh my God, I can't believe thisis number three.
I think this is number three.
Love this is it.
And chazaka, and you justcalled the chazaka.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'll probably be back again too.
Of course it's an open invite.
I was thinking about the lasttime I was here and I was just
like, oh the stories I have, Ijust need it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You've been.
You want me to start.
I want you to start those ofyou who don't know jay cohen was
in israel when the events withiran happened, yeah, where the
airspace was closed and youcouldn't leave and, um, and it
was the height of of gay pridein israel and you were there,
tell us, yeah, um.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So I went for a federation mission, which was
was incredible.
It was an LGBT mission to kindof really like.
We went to the South, we got tobear witness.
I got to really kind of likeexplore Tel Aviv and a lot of
like the LGBT center and thenonprofits and NGOs that like
federation helped support, whichwas amazing.
(01:42):
And then kind of like the bonusof like doing all of the the
mitzvah work was.
Then it ended and Pride wasspeaking and I had a weekend
planned.
I had tickets to everything.
We were ready and it was nicewhen you say tickets to
everything, let them knowthey're not the raves,
everything.
And again it's like wild.
It's just like tens ofthousands of gay men in the park
(02:05):
while Celebrating While Ofraplays this non-binary DJ Not
really, but like sort of it's avibe, but it's playing like
crazy music.
And it's just wild because thisone especially was such an
interesting one because it wasonly like Israelis from America
and Jews from around the worldin the diaspora who were there.
(02:27):
It wasn't really like a touristpride like a lot of cities have
.
So that was really special.
And it was night one.
I was at this party calledForever and it's like three in
the morning and I'll neverforget, because I think you guys
know this by now.
I'm a little psychic, I'm alittle witchy, oh, yeah, for
(02:48):
sure, you definitely feel awitch, a little witchy, and so I
turned to my friend it's like2.55 and go, I think it's time
we go.
And the second I say that thesirens start going.
And then so literally we alllike, like, hundreds of
shirtless men are piling intothis bunker and we didn't know
what was going on.
(03:08):
And then we went home and itwas a whole thing Like it was
just crazy.
But then the party still keptgoing, Like I heard there were
DJs in, everything got canceledand everything went underground
and metaphorically and literally.
I will not confirm or deny myparticipation in as much
listings, but everything was wasdone.
(03:28):
Really it's, I think, thecraziest part of that.
And I was there with none otherthan judy gold and she, who did
not have the weekend in telaviv that I did.
I at one point I like I calledher and I said get out, I'm
taking you to my favorite bakerybecause she wasn't leaving the
hotel.
I'm like stop it, this is crazy.
(03:49):
It's fine, we're going forcroissants and then you're on
the beach all day.
The resilience is insane, themindset of having to be so
locked in, of safety, like allright, where's the shelter, how
do we get in?
Stop everything.
To then all of a suddencompartmentalizing that and be
like all right, we gotta getback to normal life, back to
(04:10):
work, back to back tovacationing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Back to vacationing on vacation reaffirms my belief
that nothing good happens at anyparty past 3 30 am.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
No, no no, that's a I will say yes, because I there
was one.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Oh, my God, you know what I'll say it.
And worst comes to worst.
I'll ask you to take it out.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, that's a good.
Yeah, there's a safe space.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So that happened because there's this couple.
This is really a couple.
They have like little kids.
They lived in Williamsburg fora little bit and they threw this
house party and everyone likeso many people you know were
there.
Everyone I knew I was invitingeveryone, we knew it was so much
fun.
And at 2 am they're like sorry,we have to shut this down.
(04:52):
The neighbors were complainingBecause again, no one's gotten a
full night's sleep in months,and they were like we're not
going to let a bunch of gayskeep us up at night when there
aren't any missiles, as if thewar wasn't bad enough.
Exactly.
So they shut down the party andI went back to someone's
(05:15):
apartment with a couple offriends and then so we're
hanging out and all of a suddenthe sirens go off or we get the,
the there's the appnotification that like
something's coming.
And so I just turn to one ofthe guys.
(05:37):
I'm like all right, where'syour shelter?
They didn't have one like oh,but there's like a basement
shelter, right, like no, I'mlike what are we doing?
And they're like don't worry,it's fine.
The stairwell's concrete, likewe'll go down in the stairwell,
(05:59):
it's all going to be good.
They were so chill.
They were so chill, so I was sochill and so like they were so
chill, so I was so chill, and umand so like we continued your
monopoly game.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Exactly exactly it was it was a really good card
game monopoly.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
it was yeah, yeah, it was uno and uh, yeah, and then
the sirens went off and we headdown to the stairwell and still
so chill.
And how it works is like thefront door had to be open
because it's glass and theshockwaves will blow out the
glass.
So there's always like a brickwall a few feet in front of the
front door and you like enter itthrough the side.
(06:33):
So the doors open, we're downbecause they just wanted to sit
on the stairs and there are allthese windows.
I'm like no, we're going down,I need to be protected.
I'm not like staying, I'm likenot playing.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I have a book coming out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Exactly, I got press.
I can't have shrapnel in thisface.
That's what you think, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
like when I was like, hey, let's go skiing.
No, I have a show at the RadioStreet Musical, I'm not skiing,
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's how you have a book coming out hearing the
missiles, oh my god.
And again you're just hearingthe, the what's being taken out
by the dome and it's so violent,it is so violent.
And then there was.
This was the night, this waslike at 4 am, uh, and there's,
there's a direct hit on allenby,which was just a few blocks
(07:20):
away, and the whole building isshaking and it is so loud and it
sounds like it happened rightoutside.
Obviously it didn't, um, andand luckily I could I couldn't
even imagine or fathom what itmust have been like if it was
even closer.
But, um, they start freakingout.
And once they start freaking out, you're full blown, you begin
(07:44):
losing and at one point what oneof the guys turns, he goes
because there was like a stop.
And then he's like, okay, run.
And we literally run, sprintdown the street.
We got into his friend'sbuilding.
Then we got right into theirfriend's apartments, mamad,
which was packed with gay menincluding all.
Like we're just like, and then,like they close the door,
(08:05):
there's another round.
I'm like like finally likecoming to of, like looking
around, like what's happening.
I see this couple that I met ingreenpoint a few weeks ago.
I'll be like what are you doinghere?
um jake would find someone heknows and yeah, and that was the
first and last time I wentanywhere without having a true,
(08:25):
clear plan Where's the nearestshelter?
Where's this, where's that?
I wouldn't.
There was someone wanted me tocome and take a car to.
They were like come for dinnerin the north of Tel Aviv and it
just would have been like a 17minute Uber and I was like, no,
I won't go.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I just can't.
I was just can't.
I was just like how long totalwere you there?
I was there, for it was likeyou were there for a month, but
you know, for like a week, right, it was like 10 days, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And when?
How did you get out judy and Iwent through, uh, jordan?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
so tell us about that , like tell us about that.
What did that day look like youanother great israel with judy
gold.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
We were stuck at the border for like seven hours.
I actually got how did that daylook?
Like you flee Israel with JudyGold, we're stuck at the border
for like seven hours.
I actually got detained becausethey found some gay sexual
paraphernalia in my luggage andthey were like this is illegal.
And I was like throw it out.
What did you have?
Poppers or something?
No, no, no, we don't need it,it's a family podcast.
You have a poppers or something?
(09:26):
No, no, no, we don't need it,no, no, it's a family podcast.
Um, yeah, and I was like throwit out.
And luckily they were.
They were very chill about it,but for a hot second I was like.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I was like I just oh my god, jay cohen detained in a
jordanian prison that'll be yournext cookbook Like what's a
cook and, like Martha Stewartdid, taste of the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh, my God, yeah.
And then I came home.
What was Judy like that day?
Yeah, I can't imagine, judy, welove you, but what was she was
miserable.
I have such a great picture ofher at the border control.
Wow, I've never seen her lookbecause, again, she typically
that's part of her, her part ofher, her bit is like, she's
always a little just.
(10:10):
She's always a little likeangry, right, like and uh, and
this was like a bad day a badday a bad day.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It was a bad day.
Yeah, it's not a great day whenyou know when you're going
through order.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I can even imagine.
So how'd you get to the border?
How like a bus, a bus, a bus,bus.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Bus is to bus.
And then you just physicallydrive over a border and then you
like have to Go to like anin-between area, that you yeah,
like a no man's land, and yeahit was-.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And then you go to the, to the jordan did anyone
brief you on like what to say ornot to say, or like did they
you?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
honestly, it was so chaotic because, you have to
remember, it's like everyone wastrying to get out.
It was yeah, yeah, no, no, itwas wild.
And so I got home I literallywalked into the apartment and I
started crying.
I was like so chill the wholetime because the adrenaline is
right, so going, and I got homeand I like kind of all settled
in of what had just happened thelast week and so I took a very
(11:07):
chill, stoned weekend by myself.
Like everyone was like, oh,come to this party or come out
to the.
I know so many gays that wentstraight from JFK getting home
to the Pines.
I'm like are you crazy?
A lot of them regretted it butlike yeah, that's a lot, but you
can go to the Pines and justchill, I don't want to be around
(11:31):
that many people.
Oh, you just did Especially thatmany.
You just dealt with gay peopleand pride in this lens.
It's like, oh, I just wanted tobe alone.
But yeah, and then where elsewere you?
You were in Berlin.
I went to Berlin.
Navot had a big art opening,which was insane.
He's like so huge in Europe.
It was so packed Like one ofthere was a painting of me that
was in the collection.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Wow, People don't know.
Navot is this artist Navot isthis Israeli artist.
You met him in Berghain.
I did.
Yeah, he's this Israeli artistthat Jake met in Berghain and
he's not Hasidic, but he has.
He has a pay, is coming out ofhis head, and when you dance
with him at a club, it's likethe light, the backlight of him
(12:12):
is insane.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And they bounce, and it bounces.
It's amazing.
That was honestly, literally,that was so literally his.
He had just moved to New Yorkand I brought him to base yeah,
you, first time with you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You're like I was like get in the car.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I went with you.
Leo didn't go, I know, but itwas like you're dancing in
basement with him and the lightscoming from behind and it's all
, and you see some guy with aPalestinian shmata the.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And then you the keffiyeh, and then you and then
you and with his little payasjust jumping up and down and
it's, it's like whoa, yeah, andit's amazing.
His art is beautiful yeah, fromwhat I've seen and so I haven't
seen any live but beautiful,he's so talented.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It was really really special for his opening, yeah.
And then we uh, how long wereyou in?
Uh, just like four days.
Okay, four days we went toberghain, but only for like a
cute 13 hours yeah I don't thinkthis leads listeners know what
Berghain is.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's the capital of techno music in the world.
Very nice, perfect.
And then I went straight toParis with Lou and a friend of
mine, another artist, and wewere there.
Our other friend was doing this, our friend, jordan Roth, was
doing this performance.
Oh, I saw that, yeah, which wasreally special.
(13:32):
And then I found out that myroommate Benj and a bunch of our
friends were in London.
So I was like okay, let me.
I hopped on the Eurostar thetrain.
It was a two-hour train ridefrom Paris.
I was like amazing.
And then I just went to Londonfor a week.
Jake is down.
I was like amazing, and then Ijust went to London for a week,
jake is down.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I am down, jake is.
He is down.
You're in London, I'm in Paris,he's on that train.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Did a great oh my God , we had the sweetest Shabbat
with Jesse Ware and her mom andlike and all of our friends.
So what was your favorite thingyou ate in?
Uh, everyone always asks us, sodon't roll your eyes.
No, no, no, no, no, I don't.
I don't eat a ton in berlin,but my favorite thing is.
(14:15):
My favorite thing is you makeit from the club and go straight
to sophie the bakery, which isone of my favorite bakeries in
the world and they do the mostincredible sourdough, so you
could get a sandwich and somepastries and a coffee.
Yeah, you love it, and they doa.
They do a great ginger lemontea which is like after you've
been partying.
It's just like it's.
(14:35):
It feels like you're doing likea full spa day and carbo
loading this is also helpfulbecause people come up to you.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You've told me this that people come up to you and
and they go.
How are you so?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
skinny, you must not eat what you cook.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But people don't understand that you are jumping
up and down doing cardio forlike 12 hours straight.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I'll bike anywhere, I'll do whatever it takes so I
can have that croissant.
And if I didn't, I'd have yourbody.
I'd be like, hmm, the second Icut those things out.
That's when we're like no, Ilove a pastry.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
We eat a pastry, we eat two.
I know, oh, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So let's.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, should we talk about Dinner Party Animal?
Yeah, so this is book numberThree.
Three, and walk us through thefirst two again Jew-ish, jew-ish
, which we have, and I couldnosh I and I know what's coming
up.
Yes, I know what's coming up.
We actually wait.
So dinner party animal is theone that is not the one that we
(15:33):
were testing.
A lot of recipes in Fire Island, some of them yeah, the
combination.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
You had a bunch of ones because we were in Fire
Island right before I Canoshcame out.
So I was doing a lot of likepress stuff for I Canosh.
I was bringing a lot of stuff Iwas cooking from I Canosh to
stuff I could not.
She was bringing a lot of stuffI was cooking from I could nosh
to fire Island.
But I also started to test abunch of recipes.
So that's where, like, a lot ofthe stuff I talk about I talk
about like fire Island in thethe curry recipes.
It was that one.
There was that one week whereeveryone had such a different
(16:00):
dietary restriction and it wasso difficult.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, and I, yeah, and I was like, well, one of my
favorite fire island memoriesbecause we had a few weeks with
you out there is like you and aspeedo in the kitchen on friday
making challahs and it was likethe smell and seeing jake cohen
in action and fire.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I can say that I was there when that whole, when you
crossed the line across the line, I was sitting at the table
having a little salad and jakeis making his challah and he's
got the phone all set up andhe's wearing, he's greased up
from like, uh, sunscreen, suntanoil and whatever it was, and
you're wearing a, a bikini,bathing suit with your entire,
(16:40):
like anybody people I'm, I knowthe, I know the oil.
And then and you that was thebeginning of you cooking
shirtless-y and very sexy, and Iwas sitting right there in
front of the phone.
I can literally that's when itbegan and I remember you posting
it and just it blowing up Love.
It was just amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It was so good.
Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
But this one again the wholepoint of this is like people are
so intimidated from hostingabout hosting.
It is point of this is likepeople are so intimidated from
hosting, about hosting, and thiswas I wanted to create and it
was even something I got for myfirst two books where people be
like, oh my God, I love thisrecipe of yours, what do I serve
with it?
And so this book is actuallyjust 16 menus.
That's all broken down.
(17:21):
It's got all the recipes, yourgrocery list, your timeline,
like everything you know, sothat you can like throw dinner
party and it's mainly like foreveryday occasions, but there's
also like a full Thanksgivingmenu and a full Passover menu,
Wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
How exciting.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Is there anything that exists in your head that's
like a connective thread?
But books like for that, superfans would know like you're like
.
Oh, I would take this from thefirst book and do it with this
of this book, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I actually talk about it in this book, where I call
out specific recipes from myother books and being like, ooh,
this would be a good addition,this would be a good swap, like,
yeah, I love, I love thatbecause there's always a.
There's always a super.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It is intimidating hosting.
We're hosting now inConnecticut and we've become a
host, Even though it's just likeclose friends and family you
gotta like, I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I barbecue.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I did not do these recipes, folks.
I barbecued some stuff.
Good, we love that we love,amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I will look at this book.
When we host, we're hostingreally close friends and they're
cooking themselves too, andthey're all, of course.
Of course, they're all.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, no one's competitive for the viewers at
home.
I am not one of these reallyclose friends yet.
Yeah you have an open, you justlive busy all those places you
have been, I would be there in asecond.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
In a second you invite, I'm there yeah, yeah,
and it's no, no, but and andthen that fire island house
everybody was so competitivethey were trying to outdo each
other with cooking them and leoand I like we're okay with, like
, a chicken salad 100 low-fatpantry chicken salad and I'm set
and a thing of mary's gone.
Crackers done, mary's gone whileyou were doing everything you
were cooking was so it was so anincredible thing to see, just
(18:58):
like how you were likesuntanning, and then coming back
and doing a little somethingand coming in and making it so
easy.
It's like unbelievable.
You just have it.
You have it and you're anamazing host and you make all of
your your guests feel so lovedand it comes out in the book and
this book comes out september30th.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And what do you have planned?
What's up?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
talk about?
What can you?
Yeah, the best thing is, like Iwanted to kind of really blow
out the two things whichobviously it's like a play on,
uh, the fact that I love adinner party and I'm also a
party animal, hence the story.
But the venn diagram, the venndiagram, yeah, so I always
typically launch at the strikercenter, which we were just at
for your podcast taping, withincredible, and I, um, yeah, and
(19:46):
then I also, when I was inIsrael, I got to go to the
hostage forum, which wasincredibly powerful.
What I wanted to do is do a booktalk, which I always do, but
have it be more so like a dinnerparty.
So it's going to be all of myfavorite people on stage with me
in conversation, acting likepretty much.
We'll set up a dinner table onthe stage, and so it's going to
(20:09):
be everyone from modi to, uh,benj pasic, alex edelman uh,
potentially there are a coupleof others, but, um, it's looking
like judy gold will join aswell, which will be amazing, and
then we'll see what other, whatother surprise guests will pop
in.
Isaac Mizrahi, I think so too.
I think he's going to round itout.
(20:30):
Yeah, and then afterwards I'mthrowing a rave in the basement.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh, wow Of that Stryker Center, Of the Stryker
Center, but you have tocoordinate because they did
their own thing once and itwasn't rave-y.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, it wasn't, which is why I'm literally taking over
.
Emile cohen's gonna dj, so it'sgonna be like, obviously, of
mother disco, which has explodedin new york and everywhere, and
so it's gonna be fun, it'sgonna be amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I read the um, the menu list that's on listed on
the pages where we're featuredon yeah, Picture of me and you.
So this menu is oh do we nothave pages Like it's a Gamora,
like it's the armored, yeah,okay, so we have a squash
cucumber salad, a harissacucumber salad, carrot, harissa
(21:24):
carrot salad, kale andpomegranate salad, lemony
turmeric rice, rice, tofu currywith roasted cauliflower, sweet
potatoes and chickpeas.
That's the one we ate on fireisland and chocolate covered
halva stuff dates.
Yeah, that's a really any callouts there, any main like the.
That's a lot of salads, no, butyeah that's the whole idea of
(21:45):
this.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, again, that's also very middle eastern.
It's to have a bunch ofprepared salads and again, a lot
of these are are other than thekale salad.
These aren't like, uh, lettucesalads, they're just like
vegetables.
It's more so just like coldcarrot preparations and you
could do in advance that you doin advance.
That's kind of the whole pointwith a lot of these menus.
These are all recipes that workreally well of like two days in
advance You're going to prepall this day before you're going
(22:08):
to prep all this.
So it makes it easy.
So no one's like.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I love when you, when you hit those restaurants in
Israel and they have like, assoon as you sit down, they just
bring like 10 different saladson the table Exactly.
It's a carrot and and Kuvit andall of that and yeah, it's so
good.
It's so good.
I love that stuff when you justboom and you already have with
tannash on Exactly A little pitaand then you just order a
little piece of fish or chickenand then just, but the salads
(22:32):
are all.
Salads are just and there's noguilt in eating salads.
It's a salad, it's healthy,it's a salad of course, Exactly
Um.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm looking at Kielbasa in a blanket.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What's your next thing?
Like travel-wise.
What's your like?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I am on the local circuit of the Hamptons, fire
Island and ProvincetownProvincetown's not so local See.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
And you wonder why you haven't made it to
Connecticut yet.
You are busy, just like we arebusy.
We're gonna.
To get our schedules tocoordinate is not easy To get
our schedules to coordinate.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
All we got to do is text and coordinate them, girl.
Okay, I love that.
I'm only doing one week on FireIsland this year.
I think it's been Well, we'retaking a break, we're taking a
break.
I very much have this on-offmentality which this year.
I was craving a European summer, and now I think I'm going to
(23:27):
have.
We have Europe at home, and nowI think I've got to have Europe
at home, and now it's like Ihave Europe.
Next year I think I'll just behere and then I will start my
tour in the fall and so I'll bebouncing all around.
I'll be in on the West coast.
I'll be kind of just a littlebit of everywhere.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You go hard when you promote these books.
You go hard.
They're buying you the.
You go hard when you promotethese books.
You go hard, they're buying you.
The book is just like a vehicleto you, completely.
Now, if you've ever been in aroom with Jake Cohen, you feel
it.
It's like a.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's the it factor, it's the it factor, it's all
energy, it's all energy.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
He's so sweet.
It's like in the summer and youget to and then you get a book
to go home with it.
It's like you take that energywith you.
It's so great.
It's so great and the book isuseful.
There we go and everybody talksabout how they changed
something.
I didn't put that, but I putsomething else and it was
delicious.
It's such a vibe.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It's a Jake Cohen vibe, something that doesn't
have to do with food.
What do you want to talk about?
Let's see clothing I love.
What are you watching?
What are you reading?
No, you, what are you buyingclothes?
I love everything you wear.
Okay, pause.
Yes, I want to hear this, buthe's used to call me out for
being toddler wear and he's notnot in toddler wear today oh, no
, no well, yeah this is my ratemy susan alexandra rave necklace
(24:38):
that I made um again.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
We love a jewish business.
Uh, jewess, these pants are ata.
It's incredible we know atayeah, um, and I am like very
into gen z jeans right now thebig okay, but you're tall and
you can like this like you'redoing baggy, huge baggy pants
and a tank top.
I look like a rug rat.
Oh, I love it.
I look like a rug rat.
(25:01):
I can't.
I just got these, these, theseorange corduroy pants Literally.
When I tell you they are, it'salmost comical how big they are.
My sister thinks that I lookridiculous and I feel so I love
it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And I live on the Lower East Side and I see all
these Gen Z kids and they arewearing the biggest pants you've
ever seen in your life.
But they're all tall and thinand they just have these big
baggy denim or big baggy cargoshorts and they look cool
because they just do it withlike a rib tank and like that's
a camo trucker hat and I'm likeyou look amazing right now.
If I wore that, I would lookcrazy, like a crazy person also.
(25:35):
I'm just I don't have theheight for the gen z cut.
No, you wear his he's got twolooks.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
he's either looks like a toddler or like an over
over oversized shirt and pantsand he's just walking like a
little toddler, or he looks likethe captain of the
Czechoslovakian gymnastics team.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Oh yes, last time I saw him hewas that.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Captain of the Czechoslovakian gymnastics team.
Yeah, obsessed.
That's what I struggle with, butthe main thing I will say it's
like in terms of reading, Ihaven't been watching a ton of
stuff like I have gotten into.
I'm in just like my self-helpera of I only read self-help
books.
I love self-help.
It's the only thing I can read.
I've gotten so witchy and woowoo talk about it.
(26:19):
Well, it's like we talk becauseyou called me right after I did
the Hoffman process.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that it waslike this woo-woo retreat in the
woods.
They take your phone for a week.
You like unpack all the patternsyou inherited from childhood
and and create it's likeritualized ways to create new
neural pathways to kind of fightwhat's so ingrained in you, um,
which I really loved and itworked.
(26:41):
Oh, it's amazing, like you,just when you, the more you work
on yourself and I'm very biginto like manifestation through,
like meditation and positiveintentional thinking and mantra,
that's very motive, very muchLike, actually I will say the
create our I.
It's gotten me much closer toour friend Kelsey because, like
I think I was able to connect tohim on a much more of a
spiritual level.
Yeah, and he's very when you,when you tap into that world,
(27:06):
you all of a sudden realize like, oh, I need a community of
people that are also like hungryfor bettering themselves and
like deepening their connectionto the universe.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yes, that's why, whenever you're in a room with
people who are trying to betterthemselves, you feel it that
Tony Robbins those events thathe has.
You're in a room of people whowant to make themselves.
You feel it that Tony Robbinsthose events that he has.
You're in a room of people whowant to make themselves better.
You know, I went to theKabbalah Center.
You're in that room of peoplewho are like there just to
better themselves.
Like how can I be a moresharing and better person?
(27:40):
It's a different energy whenyou go to a regular synagogue
where everybody's just there toshow an outfit off or to go kick
.
Some people are there toconnect spiritually, but it's
not the main focus.
When you are at a retreat ofpeople trying to become better
people, you feel it likeeverybody in this room wants to
be a better version ofthemselves.
You feel it and that's where Iguess that hopping process is
yes, and again it all ties intoeverything.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's like I I love a little tarot in my life, but not
from like a.
It's reading the future, butit's the sense of.
There is a lot of conversationaround the neuroscience, around
the randomness of a deck ofcards allows you to get these
very generalized readings.
But if you're doing a lot ofintrospective work, when you see
what you have, these visceralreactions to like what aspects
(28:22):
of these very generalized thingsthat can really apply to most
people, you start to see likewhat your subconscious is
telling you to really attach to.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's well, it's.
So you have like astrology,yeah, same deal.
Where it gives you like, here'sthe good and bad of every sign.
So it just tells you, forexample, we're hosting, okay,
and there's nothing I hate morethan eating outdoors.
I just hate eating outdoors.
I don't know why.
I just don't like it.
But Leo Cook made this wholemeal.
It was so beautiful and it wasa nice day.
(28:52):
The salmon no, no, no, wow.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Actually no, wow, I love that, I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Kosher chicken Period and he did vegetables and
everything, and we have thiswhole area for outdoor dining.
Yeah, of course I'm like,please, god, let's not use this,
let's just go inside with theair conditioning and then they
say hey, hey, we'll, we'll,we'll, let's eat outside.
And I said, okay, I'm a Taurus,I have that Taurus energy who
loves to be comfortable.
I said, okay, no problem, I'mgoing to go against what I want
(29:23):
to do.
You have to know to go againstwhat you want to do.
That's what your sign tells you.
So a Taurus is stubborn andloves comfort, right.
So I said, okay, I'm easy,let's sit outside, let's set it
up.
And it worked out beautiful.
And I got this big fan that wasleft there from the
construction to get the bugs out.
And it was amazing.
It wasn't hot, the sun was atthe right thing and it was nice.
(29:44):
It worked out.
But that's what it is.
Your astrology sign is to showyou the good and bad, yeah.
And then connect to the Taurusenergy of being dependable.
You're steady, you know it'sgood, you can do a routine over
and over the gym, filling anddavening and all of that.
(30:04):
That's that energy too, thatyou connect to both of them.
And so there's good and bad inevery sign.
You know it's like don't yourwhole life around it, but like
know what to watch out for.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, if you're an Aquarius,you should be very like.
It's an addictive sign.
So be careful, be careful.
(30:25):
But it's also an unbelievableway to get somewhere without
going from point A to B in astraight line.
They know how to figure it outin another way.
So it's all.
These signs have amazing things, but you've just known Bodhi's
randomly good at astrology.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I love that, but this is what I'm saying.
I think that and one of my.
I have many controversialopinions, but one of them is
that this is where you say them.
I know I know when else I thinkpeople.
I think we live in a societythat has too many therapists and
not enough spiritual leaders,like I think people need more
rabbi presence in their lifethan therapy presence in their
life, because I think that youneed these types of connections
(31:01):
and conversations, a tap to likeancient wisdom and also with
this idea of like, I think a lotof people are doing it because
they think it's what they'resupposed to do to make them
better, but they're not Doingtherapy, therapy, but they're
not taking an active role in theritual, which is so important.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I also think that people and I'm not putting down-
therapy, wow.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, it's incredible.
You find the power you havewith a great therapist that's
right for you is magical.
My conversation is I think alot of people don't do the work
to find a therapist.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I will tell you, the moment I really knew that I
didn't need therapy was I havean uncle figure in my life, very
successful Israeli businessman,and we hadn't seen him.
I hadn't seen him in a longtime and for family drama and
dynamics.
And then we had lunch and thenhe turns to me after lunch.
(31:54):
It was a lovely lunch, wecaught up on each other's lives
and so happy.
And you know, he says to meModi, I want to tell you
something.
You've turned out much betterthan anybody's expectations.
I took it, I left it there onthe table for the waitress to
unpack with the tip.
Of course Somebody who's intherapy would have run to
(32:15):
therapy.
Of course I was like good, andhe meant it from an amazing
place.
You could also start like whatwas everybody's expectation of
me?
Why was I such a mess?
You know, that's when I waslike I'm good, thank you thank
you, we'll just move on.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Like too many people are like using therapy, speak to
, like justify things that areactually toxic behaviors.
Well, that in itself is likeyou're being toxic.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You're being this and it's like triggering sliding,
triggering you're being.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Everyone I feel like is just using.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I think everyone needs to take a ritualized
psychedelic experience andreally unpack.
What are the things that theyhave to be like, focusing on,
like.
I think the majority ofpeople's issues can a be
addressed in terms of likefiguring out what you need to do
with, like guided psychedelicwork, and then from there you
(33:11):
can figure out okay, what is theway that I then address this?
How which is saying that again,I think combinations of therapy
and potentially medication orpotentially, like I don't know a
million one ways that you canfix it.
But I think finding the rootcause of why people are unhappy
or anxious or any of thesethings are just like that should
(33:36):
be the first thing, instead ofjust putting a bandaid on the
issue.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, I want to say it's very obvious that whatever
work you are doing, it isworking because you're glowing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I come off happy.
People always say that I seemvery happy because I am.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
No, you are, and I'm sure you struggle with stuff,
just like everyone else.
But whenever you're around,jake Cohen, you don't feel it
and that is impressive.
And I see it when we're inthese big events that we go to
and there's lots of people andstrangers coming up to you and
you are like the people'sprincess, you are like Princess
Diana, and it is impressive,it's aspirational.
Yeah, I will say.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I will say those places.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do you know how hard it is for Leo to be in a rave?
And all those people.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm not talking about a rave honey.
I'm talking about the StrykerCenter.
Okay, the Stryker Center.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, rave honey.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I'm talking about the striker center, okay, the
striker center, yeah, yeah, butin a rave too I do.
Well, it doesn't matter, Idon't have a panic attack in a
walmart.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
It's like all those, all the things that were
stimulating it's overstimulating.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, I love that stuff.
I uh, it's funny.
I went on a date recently andthe guy, the guy goes.
Yeah, I wouldn't reallyconsider myself a very, uh,
positive person.
You're like immediately and Iliterally was just like well, I
am and I don't know where we gofrom there for you like.
You said manifestation, one ofmy mantras.
One of my mantras, everythingworks out for me, and all my
(34:55):
friends now know like whensomething, something just
amazing, will happen.
It's like it happened withnevote, where he didn't he ended
up coming to paris with us justbecause and we didn't have a
ticket for him to I was tryingto get him to the into Jordan's
thing at the Louvre and theyended up just like whisking him
in and like putting a VIP thing.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I've seen that happen .
Speaker 2 (35:13):
And I just go.
I go to vote.
Everything works out for us.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, I've seen that happen.
It is true.
We were going into a party onetime and this was back when you
had to have an ID, you had tohave the COVID card and we all
had.
Remember it was at Cherry Grove, whatever the Ice Palace, and
we're all there and one of ourfriends had nothing, had nothing
(35:36):
.
We were like here's my ID,here's my COVID card, and he
goes here's my vape, that's all.
He had a vape, he goes, I justhave a vape.
And for somehow, somehow,everybody, two seconds, somebody
had a picture of his id,someone had a picture of his
thing, and it just boom, boom,boom and he, they walked in.
There's like there's never alittle different it's but it's
pretty good it's
Speaker 2 (35:55):
pretty say, I think if you go into these energies.
That's.
It's funny because I think,very similarly to the
conversation around like clubswith bouncers, or even like
talking about Berghain, aboutgetting into Berghain versus not
getting into Berghain I saythis all the time it's like
energy is everything.
If you're going up worried andfearful that you're not going to
(36:16):
get in or get rejected and thisis again you could say this
about getting into the club.
You could say this abouttalking to a cute person.
You could say this about goinginto a job interview anything.
If you could say this aboutgoing into a job interview
anything.
If you're going in with theheadspace of I'm going to get
rejected, it reads in your bodylanguage, reads on your energy,
it reads in your actions andmost likely, that's what's going
to happen, versus if you livewith a little more delusion of,
(36:39):
like, everything works out forme, oh, it just things.
Life is so much better.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What are some of your mantras?
You have your many, manymantras.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
First of all, everything I say, I say with the
beginning I am, and then endwith I am.
That's from Moses when he spokewith God.
I love that.
Who are you?
He said I am, that I am.
So you just whatever you wantyou put in there.
So you say I am success.
I am Not.
I want success because God willgive you more of what you want,
(37:10):
not the success.
So I am put everything.
I am in a healthy relationshipwith my husband.
I am.
I am enjoying every moment oflife I am.
I am blessed with family andparents that are doing well,
baruch Hashem, I am.
And then you know when Imanifest things and at the end I
have it all written down and Igo to the Rebbe's oil and I put
(37:31):
it in there.
You know wherever grave I go to.
And then when things work outat the end of the thing I type
in thank you Hashem, thank youGod, because it manifested.
It's like you know, Like youknow the beacon shows.
I'm selling out beacon shows.
We saw three and I put at theend I put thank you Hashem.
And then it just you gotta bepositive, you gotta be like it's
(37:52):
already happened, like it'salready happened.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Wild.
Yeah, oh my God, it reminds me.
Did you end up talking on thepodcast about that dinner?
I literally can't stop talkingabout the last time I saw you at
the Tablet Magazine SinaiAwards.
Oh my God, you never talkedabout that on the pod, did you?
No, no, wait, you saw thepictures.
I saw the pictures.
So literally I go in, I'msitting, it's literally what a
(38:16):
table.
It's me, modi, debra Messing,barry Weiss, and we're all
talking all this stuff.
I'm like so not in it.
And then we go.
We have this little break andall this.
They're honoring all thesepeople, like 10 people that make
the world a freer place.
Yeah, and all of a sudden theystart talking about azalea banks
(38:36):
and I turn and she's seatedthere and I, literally in a
sheer, like moaning, I, I, justI go, oh my, and of course, like
nobody knows who she is, I am,I was dying.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I had no idea.
So I our tape, so we weresitting like this and the chair
my chair was here.
So at one point, when there waslike a lull or they were
serving something, I turned toher and she was the only person
there of color.
She was the only person thereof color and I was just.
I spoke to her.
I go to her.
Do you think we're gonna havesoup?
I said to her.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I had no idea who she's a zillion.
It's just really crazy that,like the landscape we're living
is is like because azalea banksis known for her, just like
unhinged, unhinged, crazy thingsthat she says.
But she's been so on the noseabout israel and like vocal
about it in a online uh bubblethat usually isn't.
(39:32):
Do you remember fire island?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
what about it?
my obsession and I was playingnew bottega on repeat and then
we went to the party and therewas that and it came on to that
remix and I lose, lose again.
I think she is.
So I literally go up to her.
I go, modi, I have to go say hi.
So the thing ends.
I run up to her, she's sittingdown, I get on my knees and I
(39:55):
grab her hand and I go.
I do not go a day withoutlistening to your music.
And then we end up sitting thewhole night together.
I get her number.
She's been sending me thewildest voice notes.
No way, obsessed, obsessed icon.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
The one night.
I don't go to one of theseevents by the way, I was getting
dressed and I was like I have aheadache, I don't want to eat a
salmon piece on a thing like,and I didn't go and I.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I had no idea what I was coming into and I texted a
lot of new house, theeditor-in-chief, who, again, I
think tablet is so brilliant,such a wonderful place.
I'm also like doing a greatfeature for the new book, which
I love.
Okay, then I will say what else?
No, again, they are polar, andthat's the thing that I love.
That you called out is likethey're so polarizing, and one
of the things that they pridethemselves on is like a lot of
(40:49):
the people in the room were onboth sides of the political
spectrum, religious spectrum.
They really try to makeeveryone angry, which they do.
They try to make everyone angry, which they do they try to?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
make everyone, which they do, stir the pot, but what
they really did is they createda space of Mashiach energy where
everything was oneness All thepeople that are on the different
sides of whatever spectrum.
It was all connected with thefact that it's okay that
everybody's on the differentsides.
They disagree, and all of that.
Enjoy your disagreement, enjoyit, enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
As agreement.
Enjoy it.
Enjoy it as long as you'representing it well.
As long as you're presenting itwell.
100 I love, I love, love that.
And I texted her after I waslike this was incredible, I'll
come to any, any tablet eventthey do.
I'm there because I was justyou had.
There was farmers and actorsand newscasters and people were
from all walks of life.
And then, obviously, debraMessing came out and did the
most gorgeous speech and like Ifeel, such like it's like I feel
(41:53):
like she's my mother.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I sat next to her.
Is it her assistant?
Her producer?
I don't know what.
You call her her right hand?
It's her right hand and I felt,Leo, energy A hundred percent
Like she, this woman, this isLeo.
Energy, this is like she's ontop of everything.
It was so funny.
Like you know, this is whathappened.
(42:15):
So we're sitting there and andshe's making sure we get
pictures.
You know she's making sure weget pictures.
You know she's doing thepictures, just like Leo does.
I don't know how to take apicture.
And then Debra asked for herphone.
And then she's holding herphone and she goes Debra's going
to take a picture.
And then I said to her, so Isaid to her assistant, I said to
her do you let her post on herInstagram?
(42:37):
And she goes it's a situation.
It's a situation, it's asituation and I'm like, no, I'm
allowed to post, but I wouldnever just hit the button until
I showed Leo I mean the spellingand the spelling involved in
posting all kinds of things thathave to be tagged in this.
Put a ticket in there.
And so yeah, but but I was likehysterical.
(43:00):
It just shows you the dynamicright away.
She goes it's a situation.
Well, she could do whatever shewants.
She could do whatever she wants.
She is grace from that show,and I mean she's grace from that
show.
I know that one show, yeah, ohmy God, icon.
No, no, she's an icon and she'sgetting and there's checks
(43:26):
coming in non-stop so it doesn'thave to worry about anything
and she can say what she wantsand she does and bless her heart
.
Huge fan of that, huge fan,huge.
I'm a big fan of you, jake, ohfan.
And there's books coming out.
How can people reach you andknow about you and and connect
to that jake cohen energy?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
tell them we go at jake cohen on instagram on
tiktok you could watch I gotta Ion cable so you could watch.
Jake Makes it Easy on A&ESecond season is premiering
right now.
Yeah, new book out September30th Dinner Party Animal.
Get it, wherever Modi will bethere at the Striker Center
October 4th.
It's going to be Wow In that900 seat room In the big one.
(44:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,wow amazing we were.
Originally we were gonna do inthe main sanctuary, but they had
to build the sukkah that night.
Oh so pissed, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
It's fine, it'll be great, it'll be great and that's
it, and I'm on morilifecomShows everywhere we're in Paris,
berlin, vienna, amsterdam,amsterdam, israel.
Possibly when are you doingBerlin November?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
20th, 20th, yeah, oh, we're going to be in touch.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, yeah, and we've left some space there between
the other shows, and Paris andVienna is going to be amazing
too, and amazing shows.
Everything is on tour.
Find a show near you or nearone of your friends and get some
tickets.
Be the friend that brings thefriends to the comedy show.
Oh, just to laugh with yourfriends.
That's Mashiach Energy.
Thank you all very, very muchfor listening in and tuning in
(44:54):
and just being a part of.
And here's Modi.
Thank you, love you.
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