Steve Eisman & Valerie Feigen

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SPEAKER_07 (00:00):
Alright, welcome to Ann Here's Modi.
We ha we, first of all, let'sjust understand what time it is
in the world.
We are we are less than sixhours away from Kol Nidre
services.
Yom Kippur is coming in.
We're gonna be atoning.
Kol Nidre is gonna be coming.

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You know Kol Nidre.

SPEAKER_04 (00:22):
By heart.

SPEAKER_03 (00:22):
Of course.
Kol Nidre Villa.
Vehir.

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Leo Solo.

SPEAKER_07 (00:47):
So we are we are here sitting together hours
before the Day of Atonement.
And um and I anybody listeningto this, if I've offended you,
good.
No, if I've offended you, I'msorry.
We've always meant to just bringMashiach energy to you.
So if we've ever said anythingthat upset you or angered you or
or um or uh you were you founddistasteful, please still buy

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tickets to the show.
Anybody you want?
Emma.
Well any anybody you want to uhwell hold on.
Let me just tell you who youare.
Introduce who we're talkingabout.
I'm the worst at this.
Okay, so I'm gonna tell you whatChad GPT said his introduction
is.
For me, it's just one SteveEisman, the guy that nailed the
uh the housing uh uh crash of2008, which I'm sure you just

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hear nonstop.
That's all you hear.
That's all I hear.
And by by the way, whenever I douh uh a podcast, I I tell them
this is what I don't want tohear.
Don't ask me about me being ininvestment banking and me being
in cantorial school.
But there's nothing you havethat's you.
Yeah.
It's like me not saying I'm acouple of years.

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That's a good one.
No, I'm tubes, no.
Okay.
You you obviously you you youknew b you were the only one
that knew that in 2008 there wasgonna be a housing.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
I wasn't the only person.
Could you make it the onlyperson that's better for the
podcast?
I was without question the onlyperson on planet Earth who knew
this was coming.

SPEAKER_07 (02:17):
Amen.
And then there's an amazingmovie that I've watched like a
thousand times about it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:22):
Um not as many, not as much as I've watched you
being Yoli.

SPEAKER_07 (02:26):
Oh, thank you.
Well, we're gonna get to how weknow each other.
And um, so that's who we we haveon, and we have a I know for a
fact we have a lot of daytraders on this podcast that
love to listen to this, right?
Um, so we do have Steve Eismanhere and his beautiful,
beautiful wife.
Fagan, not the same last name.

SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
No.

SPEAKER_07 (02:46):
It is such a it's such a Valerie Fagan.
What?
Valerie Fagan.
Valerie Fagan.
It's such a high, no, but butonce she says Fagin, I can only
call her Fagan now.
Valerie's such a pretty nice.
I know um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Really?
Yeah, Fagan is like the most uhuh Lababacha Shiva.
Fagin is like such a greatJewish-y name.

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Um so I'm so happy you're heretoo.

SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
I'm so happy to be here.
Do you think I'm Lebavca?

SPEAKER_07 (03:14):
What?

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Maybe I'm Lebavica.

SPEAKER_07 (03:16):
Maybe.
I'm Lobavacha.
Everybody everybody's a littleLebavci.
It's a Sheikh energy.
Um and we are we're obviouslyI'm a fan of you because
somebody can figure out that thewhole world's uh got it wrong
and you went against it.
So I'm a fan of that.
And um, and a movie was madeabout you with the amazing.
And her too.

SPEAKER_05 (03:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (03:37):
And you nailed the wife thing, like I did, but
husband.
And um and we share RyanHandelsman, uh, the guy that
does our social mediamanagement.
Management, he said you're afan, and we I said, uh yes,
that's a podcast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So and you saw me at the at thebeacon, and you saw me at the um
We saw you at the Beacon inDecember.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:00):
Then we saw you in Fort Lauderdale a couple months
later.
And then you were downtown atthe Comedy Cellar.
And we went to that as well.

SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:11):
We're like New Material Night.
That was amazing.
Why didn't you come to thenight?
We're like groupies.
Why didn't you come say hi?
No, you okay.
So we saw you at the ComedyCellar.
And there's a story.
Baller, tell the story.

SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
So the story was that we really wanted to see you
and went on Stub Hub and boughttwo seats.
Got down there, we get in get inline, wait in line, we we come
in and they say, uh, you missedit.
It was the seats you bought werefor two hours earlier.
And and it was Stubhub'smistake.
They actually we were we hadbought for you, and they said,

Here's what we're gonna do (04:43):
stay on the side.
Stay, and they tucked us on theside, and they said, if there's
any room, you're gonna beallowed in.

SPEAKER_04 (04:51):
And then the Mashiach got us in.

SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
And the Mashiach energy show.

SPEAKER_05 (04:54):
I that I'm glad it worked out for you, but I just
want to make one more PSA toanyone listening.
Stubhub is not a guaranteedthing.
We've gotten so many sad DMswhere people have been like, I
drove three hours to see you.
I bought this on StubHub orTicket X or whatever other
resellers there are.
And unless it's from the linkthat's on Modi's website, I

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cannot guarantee the veracity,uh, authenticity of those
tickets.

SPEAKER_07 (05:19):
But now you have our number.
You call it.
Yeah, now you have our number.

SPEAKER_02 (05:22):
Leo will take care of you.

SPEAKER_07 (05:24):
Yeah.
And it's so funny because that'sstuff on my mom.
When my mom's friends call herand tell her like how much the
tickets are, she calls me.
Do you know how much yourtickets are?
Like she's in shock that I'mselling for that amount of of uh
of money.
So, first of all, you're Hamish.
I didn't know you went toyeshiva.
I went to Ramaz from nurserythrough high school.

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So your parents had money.
Yes.
So you didn't you you didn'tcome from dirt and then made
money.
I didn't come from dirt, I didnot come from dirt.
Ramaz is one of the moreexpensive but very, very good
yeshivas.
And then after college, I wentto Rabbi Berkowitz.

SPEAKER_04 (06:02):
Oh, Rabbi Berkowitz.
Asha Berkowitz?

SPEAKER_07 (06:04):
Uh no.
Um Rabbi Berkowitz.
He's great.
He was like a history teacher.

SPEAKER_04 (06:12):
He was after my time.
Okay, okay.
And then after uh college, Iwent to Israel for a year and
studied yeshiva for a wholeyear, studied Talmud for a whole
year.
Hardcore.
Which yeshiva?
Bravender's doesn't existanymore.
Doesn't exist anymore.
But it was pretty hardcore.

SPEAKER_07 (06:25):
That was a wow, so you really have a yeshiva head.

SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
Yeah.
A Gamoraka.
I I I I would rather say aheretical yeshiva head.
Okay.
I was always the apicoris in theclass.

SPEAKER_05 (06:37):
Translate.

SPEAKER_04 (06:38):
Apicoris is the is the is the guy who's in the who
goes to the yeshiva, but it'slike not a believer.

SPEAKER_07 (06:44):
I'm gonna fight you on this.
Okay.
I'm gonna fight you on this.
Go ahead.
So Apicoris.
Okay, so Apicoris is like this.
Apikoris is one of the worstthings you could be.
It's he just said he was, buttry to be here for a little bit.
I embrace it, but he doesn'tknow.
He doesn't know.
I do! That's why God put him onthis podcast.
That's why God put Apikoris issomebody who learns Talmud and

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Torah for the sake of, I hate tosay this word, intellectual
masturbation.
Yes.
That's me?
It's not you.
It is not you.
It's not you.

SPEAKER_04 (07:17):
Let me tell you something.
Every year at Ramaz in highschool, they would we would put
on a Hebrew play.
Okay.
Okay.
And every year, it was adifferent play, but it was
always the basic same story.
There'd be the rabbi, there'd bethe apicorus, and there'd be a
couple of other people.
And of course, the the Hebrewdrama club was led by Rabbi

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Moskowitz, okay, who I had athousand times.
And he every year this happened.
It was always the same thing.
He'd look at the script and he'dsay, We need an apicoris.
And then he'd say, Get Eisman.
He doesn't need to act.
That's awful.
That's awful.
That's a horrible thing.
What's true?
It's not.

SPEAKER_07 (07:56):
Okay, so I want to tell you the best definition of
Apicoris I've ever in my lifeheard was from Rabbi Berg of the
Kabbalah Center.
He said Apicoris is not someonewho learns just for the sake of
learning.
Apicoris is somebody thatbelieves in mikre, which means
coincidence.
If you think things happen bycoincidence, then you're an

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apicoris.
Right.
If you so you're not.
Look at this.
We're sitting here together.
You're right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (08:23):
I'm not, I'm an apicoris light.

SPEAKER_07 (08:28):
That's the title of this episode, but okay.
If you want, okay.
I'll settle.
Settle.
I'll settle.
That's all right.
Okay, this is like a look.
We're on a trading desk.
Yeah.
We're on a trading desk now.
We narrowed the bid button.
You're not an apicoris.
You believe in uh you're sittinghere, you have a beautiful wife,
you you're you you do wow,there's nothing, there's not
it's mikre is the worst thing.

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When you believe things happenby chance, that's when you're in
upicurus.
Everything happens not bycoincidence, they coincide.
That's what that's what that is.

SPEAKER_05 (09:00):
Thank you, Rabbi Modi.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (09:02):
Thank you, Remy.

SPEAKER_05 (09:03):
Yeah.
So you guys have a podcasttogether?
Yes.
Well, I listened to some of it,but I didn't hear you on it.
Are you on it?
She's the CEO.
She's the CEO.

SPEAKER_01 (09:14):
And I'm I he does a lot of the writing, I do the
editing.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (09:17):
So that's what happened to me.
I was originally not on it inthe early episodes, and then he
was talking off camera to me,and I was not on the mic, and
then slowly it just, you know,and now you're here.
So it's the same trajectory.

SPEAKER_06 (09:29):
It's an easier thing to look at.
No, look at that.
Now you go to a shot of you two.
It's a nicer thing to look at.

SPEAKER_05 (09:37):
We could be of service.

SPEAKER_07 (09:38):
Yeah, two old Jews sitting on a corner here.
Now we have this.
Right.
Fagan and Leo.
I'm gonna call you Fagan fromnow.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I can't I can't.
If someone in your Shiva is aname like Steve Fagan or Bob
Steve Fagan, that was my friend.
You know, you just call himFagan.

SPEAKER_04 (09:54):
I I didn't know that I had a first name until I went
to college.
They call you Eisman.
It's a good kind of a goodthing.
It's a thing.
I didn't know I went to collegeand people started calling me
Steve, and I didn't read it.
Who's that?

SPEAKER_07 (10:09):
They called me Jew Bastard.

SPEAKER_02 (10:11):
I knew right away.

SPEAKER_07 (10:12):
I knew right away this was they're calling me.
So you guys have a podcast and Ilistened to a few episodes, so I
caught up on like where youryour your your head is.
And I'm gonna go into like oneof my questions.
I wrote a good question.
Little plug called the RealEisman Playbook.
Playbook.
The Real Eisman?
The Real Eisman playbook.
Okay, the Real Eisman playbook.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
I just want to add one thing to follow up and what
you were saying, sorry tointerrupt, which is that when he
would do it in the room byhimself and I'd be listening
outside through headset,whatever, and I'm like, you need
energy, you need energy.
And so finally, I sit in theroom.
Nobody knows I'm sitting in theroom.
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (10:48):
But at least she judges me.

SPEAKER_01 (10:50):
And I can like feel like there's somebody there.
We're on the same page.

SPEAKER_04 (10:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (10:54):
No, we're on the same page.
I get you.

SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
I like being bad.

SPEAKER_07 (10:59):
100%.
I so I've listened to a fewepisodes and I caught a few
interviews with you people.
I I this is it's it's it'salmost horrible.
People just ask him, what's thenext crisis?
What's the next failure?
What's the next disaster?
What's the next crash?
I'm like, wow.
Every time.
I am going the other way.

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What positive thing do you seein the future?
I had to ask that.
There's got to be somethingpositive that you see happening
in the future.

SPEAKER_04 (11:30):
Well, I see something positive happening
right now.
I think uh the Jewish peoplehaven't been more united in some
ways for 70 years.
And so I mean, there are peoplewho are outliers, but I think
the vast majority of us are havehave found each other again for
the first time in a very, very,very long time.

SPEAKER_06 (11:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (11:50):
I get very emotional about that.

SPEAKER_07 (11:51):
That's good.
No, I see it.
We really see it.
Um we do events, we've doneevents with hostages, we've done
events within people are comingtogether of all religions and
races.
But the problem is when you havesomething happening so big like
that, there's also thenegativity in Israel.
The religious and thenon-religious are at bat with

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each other, and that isliterally preventing Mashiach
energy.
It's it's the number one thing.
It's uh sinathinam, um anger forthe uh uh hatred for the sake of
just hatred, and it's sohorrible.
And I I've said it a milliontimes if the Jews got got along,
the whole world would just getalong.

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I really believe that I believethat too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um I keep saying Mashiachenergy, and now that I got to
know that you have a little bitof yeshiva background and who
you are, and we all know who youare, what does Mashiach energy
mean to you?

SPEAKER_04 (12:55):
When I play golf with one of my best friends,
okay, who uh also went to Ramadwith me.

SPEAKER_03 (13:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (13:02):
What Mashiach Energy means to us is we'll be on a par
three.
And I'll hit and I'll hit theball and it'll go on the green,
and I'll turn to my friend goodfriend Jack and I go, that is
mashiach energy.
Really?
Yes.
Every time.
Good.

SPEAKER_01 (13:21):
Jack Brand.

SPEAKER_04 (13:22):
Jack Brand.
Yeah.
That is Mashiach Energy.
It's when everything just comestogether.
It harmonizes.
Totally harmonizes.

SPEAKER_07 (13:28):
When things are in harmony, yeah.
To me, it's the obvious Mashiachenergy is you're doing a show in
front of a thousand people,they're all laughing together in
unison.
That's Mashiach Energy.
Well, we've been to those shows.
Yeah.
You feel it.
Thank you.
Thank you very, very, very,very, very much.

SPEAKER_01 (13:43):
Um, so sometimes I'm crying so much during a joke, I
need you to just slow down so Ican finish crying of laughter.
Just so I can catch it.

SPEAKER_07 (13:51):
You can't get the next joke.
So, do you know that that's arush I have?
When I see someone that can'tcatch their breath and they're
losing it, and I'm on the nextjoke and they catch on.
When you see that, it is such ahigh for me.
I've said it a million times.
There's when that room islaughing, there's nobody having
a better time than me.

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I'm having the best time in theworld on stage.
When I see someone lose it, likesome joke clicks and they can't
catch their breath, and then youhit them with another one, and
they're like, it is my favoritething.
I and then sometimes I stop andgo, go ahead, catch up.
Catch it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We just had an amazing show inthe Hamptons.
Uh-huh.

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Uh Hampton Bays.
Are you in that scene?
North Fork.
North Fork.
North Fork.

SPEAKER_04 (14:36):
We're in the North Fork.

SPEAKER_07 (14:37):
Yeah.
Which is the anti-Hamptons.
Is it the Anti Hamptons?
I had no idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we did a show.
And I had a whole bunch of newmaterial about guests and hosts.
People who host in their homesand people who are guests of
those people and what goes onand different things and the
towels and the curtains and theall do you guys host?

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Do you guys have have guests?

SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
I I I mostly host as opposed to be a guest.
And so I wish.

SPEAKER_07 (15:03):
She's a sick house.

SPEAKER_05 (15:04):
You've a sick house.

SPEAKER_01 (15:05):
No, not anymore.
No.
We're we are over-owning.

SPEAKER_05 (15:09):
But overnight guests.

SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
Yeah, we're overwhelming guests.

SPEAKER_05 (15:11):
Not just like dinner guests.
Yeah, no, no, no.
No, we don't overnight guests.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
No, we do, and we do a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 (15:16):
We're dabbling in that now on a small scale.
But uh we've had amazingpractice.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
You know what?
I I would go all the way down tolike the water jug next to the
bed and like those and theperfect scent for the it's
enough.

SPEAKER_05 (15:31):
Are you over that?
Running a bed and breakfast.
Right, right, right, right,right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:37):
As opposed to me who would say, here's your muffin.

unknown (15:39):
Here's your muffin.

SPEAKER_05 (15:40):
No, if it was up to him, he'd be like, uh, there's
like a granola bar in the pantryif you want.
No, I don't know.
I'm like, you have to put it outfor the people.

SPEAKER_07 (15:46):
Well, what we do for the guests, we put we put
blackout curtains for ourguests.
So our the room, any guest roomwe have, you can develop film in
it.

unknown (15:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (15:56):
And and and guests who aren't used to that, in
their home, they wake up withthe sun, all of a sudden
stumbling out at 11:30.
11:30 in the afternoon.
Oh my god, what the hell did youguys do?
You guys drunk me last time?
You roofied them.
Oh, remember Roofies?
Um, that's coming right out.
No, it's not Roofies were anamazing thing that we used to

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take for flights to Israel.
Uh yeah.
Okay, all right.
If that's your story, then wait,I call it Ambient.

SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
What are you doing?
Ambient.

SPEAKER_07 (16:27):
Ambient's a Tic Tac compared to my Ambient just to
get their TSA.
My aunt Oprah, Zukunala Vrchav,uh, used to score roofies for
us, and we would fly to Israel.
Middle seat, God forbid.
But this is in in coach, incoach.
In coach.
And you just all you did wasmake sure you didn't eat or

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drink, and you took the theroofie, and you obviously wheels
up and you took this pill andyou just went like this, leaned
against the window, and you wokeup in Israel, and everybody
around you was like, How thehell did you just sleep for 13
hours?

SPEAKER_05 (17:04):
You never take pills until your wheels up.
That's okay.
Well, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
Absolutely for sure.
Wait, do you think commercial?
Do you have any other relativesthat I could call?
Yeah, we flag commercial likeMatthew.

SPEAKER_05 (17:15):
Modi.

SPEAKER_01 (17:16):
No.

SPEAKER_05 (17:16):
Okay, can we just in case there are people who are
listening who are not familiarwith the movie and everything,
because we're just hopping in,assuming all of that.
Can we just give broad strokeslike elevator pitch, tell us
about the big short?
Sure.
And like some of yourexperiences synopsis.
How would you from you?
I think that would beinteresting to hear.

SPEAKER_04 (17:35):
You know, Valor and I were both on Wall Street, and
then when we had kids, Valorretired and and to raise our
kids.
Three beautiful children.
And um I would I was running ahedge fund and realized that the
world was gonna die.
That was basically myconclusion.
And and I would tell people Iwould be I would be at a at a at

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an event and someone would ask,I couldn't help myself where
this is gonna happen.
And I'd say, oh, the world'sgonna end.
Let me tell you how.
And people thought I was insane.
And then basically the worldended, and um I got a phone call
from Michael Lewis to because hesaid he heard it about me, and
he came and he interviewed me.
And I was literally a borderlineinsane back then because I was

(18:17):
so angry.

SPEAKER_05 (18:18):
Yeah, we we heard on the podcast I listened to, uh
you were kind of illustratingthat though.
You were just like raving andraving, raving.

SPEAKER_04 (18:24):
And and so Michael Lewis comes on, comes to
interview me, yeah, and I wouldI would literally say in a in a
two-hour interview, every thirdword was F this, F that.
And I could see on his face,this guy is interesting and
crazy.
And so he wrote an article aboutit, and then he he wrote the
book, and that became a movie,and Steve Carell played me, and

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Marissa Tomei played Valerie.
They actually look alike.
And uh and that's our story.

SPEAKER_05 (18:50):
How do you feel about that?
Uh comparison when people arelike, You know who you look
like?
That's a dangerous game to play.

SPEAKER_01 (18:56):
I actually had somebody weird things happen to
me.
Somebody drove up next to me ina car and said, You look like
Marissa Tomei.

SPEAKER_05 (19:03):
And you're like, Well, actually.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
Okay.
Okay, so then it works.
And that's the story.

SPEAKER_05 (19:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
But so from my point of view, because this was going
on for years, that he said theworld was gonna come to an end,
and I and he ruined every singlesocial engagement.
And I said, Oh, wow, you werenot allowed to say the world is
going to come to an end.
You are you were gonna be like anormal human being and you're
just gonna have a normalconversation.

SPEAKER_07 (19:27):
That wasn't in the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
No, so then so eventually he was right, but by
then everybody was sick ofhearing from him about it, but
they knew he they knew becausehe'd been telling everybody, you
drove the you rode the elevatorand he told you.
And then he said, out of theblue one day, he's like, So
Michael Lewis is gonna write abook about me.
And I'm like, What?
And I said, Wait a second.
Uh-uh, uh I get it, I get achoice here.

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I get a permission.
I always my permission slip.
So he said, Michael will comemeet us.
So Michael and I were walkingdown the block.
I'm walking with Michael Lewis.
It's like the most out-of-bodyexperience, and I'm shaking.
And I turned to him and I saidhe said, What do you want to ask
me?
And I said, I'm afraid you'regoing to make my husband look
terrible.
And he said, I promise you Iwon't do that.

SPEAKER_07 (20:13):
He looked great.
And you said it in the world.
And he did.

SPEAKER_01 (20:15):
He made him look like that was a big deal for me.

SPEAKER_04 (20:19):
Yeah.
I like to say that the roadbetween making me look great and
being a complete asshole is avery short road.
Right.
And thank God he made me look sosmart.

SPEAKER_07 (20:29):
Smart people are smart smart people when they're
so confident.
So smart people when they're soconfident, they can say the
crazy things because they knowthat they're right.
So I, my first job out ofcollege um was working in
investment banking.
Where?
Okay.
Are you ready for that?
I'm ready.
No, so we're gonna discuss thisand talk about me in investment

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banking, which I never everdiscuss.
I've only discussed it as whenpeople when people ask me how
did you start comedy, I used towork in international banking
and I used to imitate thesecretaries or the language of
the bank.
Which bank?

SPEAKER_06 (21:03):
I'm getting excited.

SPEAKER_07 (21:06):
Moving along.
I got him excited.
I got him excited.
Okay.
So we're talking about 1993.
Okay.
ING.
ING.
Dutch Bank.
Yep.
I was on the derivatives desk.
Okay.
If you asked me right now, ifyou put a gun to my head right
now and say, Modi, what is thederivative?
You can't answer.
I'm dead.
You're dead.

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I'm dead.
And then I did so well that theymoved me on to the FX derivative
desk.
I I had no idea what it was.

SPEAKER_01 (21:32):
So no, so you were in a Dutch bank doing foreign
exchange?

SPEAKER_07 (21:35):
I swear to God, I'm killing it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:37):
Everyone loved me.

SPEAKER_07 (21:38):
Everyone loved me.
Because you were a what?
I was a personality hire.
Leo explained.
Once I began to.

SPEAKER_05 (21:44):
He just started telling me all these stories
about him at work.
I'm like, so tell me more aboutwhen you were in finance and
working at this bank and whatbecause I don't know anything
about any of that stuff.
And he's going on and on and on.
He goes, Yeah, well, I did this,but I didn't know how to do
that.
But I would be, I would do wellhere, and I'd go, Modi, Modi,
Modi, I'm gonna hold your handwhen I say this.
You were a personality hire.
And he goes, What's that?
And I go, a personality hire issomeone who is hired not

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necessarily because they'requalified for the job, but they
make the job less uh boring.
Makes everyone not want to killthemselves while they're at the
office.

SPEAKER_07 (22:14):
We were on this, on the wait, wait, and I got
promotions.
I got promotion.
I didn't know what they weredoing, but I knew how to act
stressed.
I would have made you look likecalm.
I was like, what did you guysget the do but before all the
CCs and all the things?
Slap.
All that slack.

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You would be screwed with slack.
So I would um okay, so thederivatives desk and the effects
of derivatives desk, and thenthey loved me so much, they
moved me to the LDC desk.
Less developed countries.
Oh boy.
We were trading um RG bonds.
Whatever, I had no idea that RGmeant Argentina.

(22:55):
Who cares?
It's on a screen.
I was moving things, I movedthings along.
You almost destroyed thecountry.
You didn't even know.
No.

SPEAKER_05 (23:02):
I didn't have a movie too, by it.

SPEAKER_07 (23:05):
Personality higher, like moving money around like
that.
That's what it was.
So, so so I I um I back then,and today I doubt that there is,
there was a back office.
So trades went through the backoffice.
Today's probably just you go.
So we we we we we entered intothe Bloombergs, right?
The the trades and all of that.
And then um, and then but therewere back offices that things

(23:28):
that have to happen.
And I had that back officegreased.
I had it greased, there werethese women, all them back
there, all lived in StatenIsland, fingernails this long,
you know, typing with the ballsof their fingers.
I brought them the inquirer, Ibrought them the post, I brought
lunch.
So your trade's clear.
Bagel, everything we did.

(23:50):
We began to, when we worked withtrusts, with uh individuals that
had insane money that wastreated like uh a corporation,
we would open the trusts, andthat was a whole proceed, and I
was the You could read thepeople hang.
I could sit with a couple.
So then I moved to MerrillLynch.

(24:10):
I worked in the it was the Irishfirm.
I Irish firm.
No, Kaminsky was that was incharge of it at that back.

SPEAKER_04 (24:17):
But traditionally it's a very Irish firm.
I don't know that.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (24:21):
It was, and when Kaminsky was the head of it,
people like, why is there a Jewin charge of this company?
Okay, it was the thing.

SPEAKER_04 (24:28):
And by the way, the the I had one great line about
that company.
So the the CEO after Kaminskywas Stan O'Neill, who's black.
And um I knew him a little bitat a cocktail party, and so he
he um I was talking to him.

SPEAKER_05 (24:42):
You said the world was gonna end.

SPEAKER_04 (24:43):
No, it was way before that.
And um he was competing withanother guy to be CEO of Merrill
Lynch, and I said to him, Stan,I guarantee that you will become
the next CEO of Merrill Lynch.
And he says, How could you sayit?
It's very simple.
You're Irish.

SPEAKER_05 (25:00):
That's a good call.
Yeah.
You're good at calling things.
What can we say?

SPEAKER_07 (25:05):
So you were on Merrill Lynch.

SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Wait, was your mother proud of you?

SPEAKER_07 (25:08):
Okay, I'll thought so I was your mother.
Wait, proud.

SPEAKER_01 (25:11):
That is a great question.

SPEAKER_07 (25:14):
What was about the proud of you?
It's more than that.
Let me tell you about my my oneof my mom's most proudest
moments in the world.
So I'm dyslexic, ADHD, Istutter, I'm a hot mess.
And here I am in banking.
I used to have all these tricksum to like if we were entering
5,000 shares or$5,000 worth orsomething, or you know, I I

(25:37):
would have tricks to make surethat I would put it in I would
put it in right.
About putting$500,000 instead ofright.
That's not good.
Yeah.
That's not good when it's five,yeah, yeah.
So I had to take um I had totake the Series 7 63, all of
that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (25:53):
That's really impressive, Moni, that you did
that.

SPEAKER_07 (25:55):
Very I did.
But um at the same time that Iwas taking that test, um, I was
I studied for it.
And if you know all the options,you get 40%.
40% of the test is options.
So I knew if I had 40%, all Ineeded was another to get to 65,
is another 25%, right?

(26:16):
Even that I can't I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (26:19):
But then I figured math person.

SPEAKER_07 (26:21):
Right, yeah, not me.
So then I got and in fact, I andI went in and I took, I I
studied double what anybody elsestudied for this.
And I took the the weekendclasses and the option classes,
and I and I went and I took thetest and I passed.
My mom was in shock because allof my mom's friends, their sons
were taking the test too,because they all everybody

(26:43):
starts on Wall Street and theyall failed it.
My mom, my when I told my momthat I passed that test, I she
was like better than the beacon.
It was better than the beacon.

SPEAKER_04 (26:53):
It was better than the beacon.
She was in shock that I passed.
So you had different parents.
When I told my parents that Ipassed the series 63, my father
said, Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_07 (27:00):
No, because you probably killed it in school.
You probably had good grades.
Yeah, no, I didn't.
I didn't have any of that.
I was not, but I was in I was infinance.
It was the craziest thing.

SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
So how did you get out?

SPEAKER_07 (27:11):
Oh did you get out of jail?
Um I didn't know it was in jail.

SPEAKER_01 (27:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (27:18):
We didn't know it.

SPEAKER_01 (27:20):
Yeah, but it was the 90s, the bar, the party was
raging.

SPEAKER_04 (27:24):
The party really was rage.

SPEAKER_07 (27:26):
Tell us more about that.
What would you like to say aboutthe rage?
We're gonna go back to the 90sand snip it in.
Very nice.
Good for your first time webrought Cherum into the um into
the I'm not even gonna discuss,but go ahead.
It was so this is 93 to 99.

(27:47):
Not 93 to 99.

SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
That was a good year.

SPEAKER_07 (27:50):
And I was doing, and I was doing comedy at the same
time.
Full time.
Okay.
Full.
I would every night in a suit,hot suit, Armani, everything.
Nice.
I would go right to so when wehad the suspenders.

SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (28:04):
I had the hottest looks.
I had the hottest looks on that.

SPEAKER_01 (28:07):
Yeah, you took the banking look and you just took
it on stage.

SPEAKER_07 (28:10):
That little knot that we all did, and that those
things.
I was so good.
And the blue shirt.
No one was a blue shirt.

SPEAKER_05 (28:14):
You were just in it for the drag.
I was drag.

SPEAKER_01 (28:18):
What were the shoes?

SPEAKER_07 (28:19):
Okay.
So I had good for her.
I had these pair of Gucci's thatwere like a borderline,
tuxedo-y, but not tuxedo-y.
But where it's it caused adouble take, but not enough to
be like, what's he doing?

SPEAKER_02 (28:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (28:34):
Right?
I had those, and I had a pair ofum, oh god, I forgot the name,
but it's like the super stuperstandard y one.
Um whatever, something brown.
Anyway, um the shoes were I hada good game.
I would go right from there tothe comedies, to the comedy
clubs.
I'd go from the bank to thecomedy clubs, do my sets on the
weekends, I'd travel to whateverthere was, cat skills and all

(28:56):
that.
And in 99 I left.
Um How'd your mother feel aboutthat?
She didn't care because by thenI was already doing I was I was
doing well, and she knew I was,you know.

SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
And you played the cat skills.
My parents weren't, yeah.
That's tough.

SPEAKER_07 (29:10):
It was tough.

unknown (29:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (29:11):
It's a tough audience.
I talk about it now.
It's I I've I've now in my nexthour.
Did you guys see that?

SPEAKER_04 (29:17):
Yeah, we saw it.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (29:18):
So catch skills is tough.
I've I've I've developed it.

SPEAKER_04 (29:20):
Because you told me.
That's how I know.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (29:22):
No, but it was uh it was a hard game.
But that was my financing uhwork.

SPEAKER_05 (29:26):
So going back to the party in the nineties.
Dish.
What was going on?
People eating goldfish?

SPEAKER_04 (29:34):
Well, we were married already.
So we did not participate in theparty.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
We did not.

SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
There were trading desks and then there were equity
desks, and there were Which oneswere the party or trading desk?

SPEAKER_04 (29:45):
The trading desk was the trading desk where the party
was raised.
Which I was on, which I was on.

SPEAKER_01 (29:49):
We were in research.
Research was the party.

SPEAKER_05 (29:52):
But sometimes it's flip-flops, sometimes that's the
opposite of who you think wouldbe the party.

SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Well, if you were friends with the traders, then
your party was.

SPEAKER_07 (30:00):
So there was research, which they got fired
first when the market went down.
Every time.
If the market went down a littlebit, okay, goodbye, all the
analysts and goodbye all theresearchers.
Don't need them.
And all the guys that made themoney stayed on.
Yes.
So that's why I stayed on.
I was at ING, there was a guynamed Hal, and he used to smoke.
This is 93 in the desk, in theoffice.

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Of course he smoked cigarettes.
Right.
Because he made more thananybody else on the desk.
And I was his assistant.
And I had no problem doing itbecause when I grew up, my mom
smoked three packs a day untilmy barn mitzvah.
Right?
So he was he sat there with thecigarettes, and I was doing all
this work, and I was hisassistant.
So I had big so I had clout inthe office because he's the

(30:45):
number one producer.
So I had clout in the office.
I'm Hal's assistant.
And um, and then and he's theone that said, do not take those
tests unless you're gonna pass.
Those serious do not, you don'tleave me here a day without an
assistant if you're gonna gofail.

SPEAKER_02 (31:03):
He was a hardcore guy.

SPEAKER_07 (31:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he used to used to smoke, sohe smoked mar marble reds and
holes.
He had holes, the mental liptusthing.
Oh my god.
We never even had a moment tolike connect and like talk and
like what's up, and how's yourwife?
What'd you do this week?
And never.
And then after I got the test,there was like a moment, like a
little window of I can talk tohim.

(31:26):
And I go to him, how why theholes?
He says, in like the most like Ican't believe we're gonna have a
personal moment now.
He says to me, because it opensthe lungs up a little bit more
and you get more smoke in.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
If you think you were crazy,it's crazy.
It's crazy.
And I was able to handle him, soI was able to, no one had he
never had an insistent that thatlong.

(31:47):
So that was Oh, he was one ofthose.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (31:52):
So did you get to meet Margot Robbie?

SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
I did not.
We did not.
We did not.

SPEAKER_05 (31:57):
She is my one of my women crushes.

SPEAKER_01 (32:01):
She's a goddess.

SPEAKER_05 (32:02):
I mean, yeah, we didn't get to meet her.

SPEAKER_07 (32:05):
Nope.

SPEAKER_05 (32:05):
So I have something.
At the end of the movie.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (32:08):
Yeah, it's the water.

SPEAKER_05 (32:09):
Yeah.
At the end of the movie, theysay that your next big
prediction is uh upcoming waterwars.

SPEAKER_04 (32:16):
No, that wasn't me.
That was Michael Burry.

SPEAKER_05 (32:18):
Oh, sorry.
That was not me.
Because I just re-watched thatpart of the thing.

SPEAKER_04 (32:21):
That was his thing.

SPEAKER_05 (32:22):
And guess what?
I agree with him.

SPEAKER_04 (32:25):
You're a smart guy, Burry.
Very smart.

SPEAKER_05 (32:27):
All this push that Dove and all these aerosolized
full-body deodorants.

SPEAKER_07 (32:32):
Have you noticed this?
It's a Miss Shagassi hat.

SPEAKER_05 (32:35):
No, you're at the gym, they have like CNN Fox, and
then they all go to commercialand they're all pushing the same
thing.
And it's this aerosolizedfull-body deodorant, which the
aerosolized deodorant technologyhas existed forever.
Why are they pushing it now?
And they're showing peoplespraying it everywhere.
They're like, you can spray iteverywhere.
And it's like under their towelin the gym room.
And I'm like, they're coming forthe water.

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Like they're preparing us now.
For when we won't shower.
For when we don't have water toshower.

SPEAKER_07 (33:00):
And when he says this, I say to him, Vus
hochsternik.
Okay, you're you laugh now.
What do you bang it button whenthey make the movie about me for
sounding the same thing?
He's making a prediction for theend of the wall.

SPEAKER_01 (33:13):
He would say don't pray for bad times, they'll come
anyway.

SPEAKER_07 (33:16):
Don't pray for bad times that come.
No, they come anyway.
Or if you prepare for a bad day,you'll have a bad day.
Yes, that's true.
I agree with more.

SPEAKER_01 (33:23):
But I might go buy some it.

SPEAKER_07 (33:26):
We have water.
All right.
Something else that we shoulddiscuss and bring awareness to
is male breast cancer.
Yes.
Which I have.
Which you have.
Yes.
Which can I tell you the firsttime I ever heard about that?
There used to be a show on HBOcalled Oz.
I was Oz.
And there was uh it was That wasa tough show.

(33:48):
It's a tough show.

SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
But very homoerotic.
Very homoerotic, but but thebrutality of it was so hard.

SPEAKER_07 (33:57):
And then out of nowhere in season four, uh one
of the characters, um Bob RidRibbedau, was all of a sudden
was diagnosed with male breastcancer.
And I was like, what?
And they did it to bringawareness to and and it did.
It was the first time I everheard of it.

(34:18):
It's kind of rare.
It's very rare.
So how do you find out?
Is there tests?

SPEAKER_04 (34:22):
Is there a lot of No, so what happened was um
Well, go back to the beginning.

SPEAKER_07 (34:26):
Let's go back to the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 (34:27):
So I developed a irritation on my left nipple.
Okay.
And so Valerie starts botheringme.
Like this is what this is thethe moral of the story is listen
to your wife.
Okay?
I've been saying that.
Your husband.

SPEAKER_07 (34:42):
I've been saying have I not said that?

SPEAKER_04 (34:44):
So I so she says to me, What's that?
And I go, it's an irritation.
I get skin irritations all thetime.
I put like hydrocortisone on it,it'd get a little bit better,
and then it would get worseagain.
And I didn't pay any attentionto it, which again the lesson is
pay attention to your wife.

SPEAKER_01 (34:58):
I said, go to a dermatologist.

SPEAKER_04 (34:59):
Go to a dermatologist.
And unfortunately, what happenedwas my dermatologist died.

SPEAKER_01 (35:03):
Passed away.
Of old age.

SPEAKER_04 (35:05):
Literally died of cancer in old age.
So I didn't have adermatologist.
So I sort of forgot about it.
So then what happens a couplemore months go by, and uh I play
squash every Wednesday with likemy best friend for 30 years.
Okay.
He's an oncologist.
And so we're we play, we take,we we take a schwitz, we shower,
and we're standing naked.

(35:26):
I'm gonna give you a visual.
Standing naked in the in thelocker room, and he looks at me
and he goes, What's that?
And I go, What's what?
At which point he walks up tome, he starts to fill me up.
And he says, I don't like this.
I'm sending you for a sonogram.
And that's how I got diagnosed.

SPEAKER_07 (35:39):
Wow.
Wow.
So you understand that you'renot an apicotist.
Yeah.
You understand that that's thesame thing.

SPEAKER_04 (35:44):
That was that was God kind of reaching down and
helping.

SPEAKER_07 (35:51):
How is it handled?

SPEAKER_04 (35:53):
So I turn very quick.
Um I would say I had this firstof all, talk about men getting
um Oh.
So you go for the sonogram.
Right.
So they put the my the uh themammogram.
The the the the lesson here isif men got breast cancer, the

(36:14):
world would be very different.
Because they put you in thismachine, they they take your
breast cancer.

SPEAKER_05 (36:19):
Is it the same machine as a mammogram?

SPEAKER_04 (36:21):
And they and they they pull you out, and then they
they smush you together in thething, and then you're like
you're standing there, and youand you I'm saying to myself,
she better take the to thetechnician, you better take this
quick because I feel like I'mslipping out, at which point
there's a crank, and she cranksdown, and you're like, ah and
then they take up they takepictures.

(36:42):
And then I so I was diagnosedwith breast cancer only on my
left, my left side and in somelymph nodes.
Oh wow.
And um but the right side, itturned out was clean.
Okay, and then uh the so we goto see a surgeon, and the
surgeon says, um, you know, wecould just do over here, but
you'll have to get checked forthe rest of your life every six

(37:04):
months.
I said, screw that, do a double.
So I had a double mastectomy.

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
We are the only one of the only couples, I think,
who we both had a doublemastectomy.

SPEAKER_02 (37:13):
Oh, you've had that, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
And this is breast cancer awareness month, it's
October.
Oh, it's October 1st.

SPEAKER_05 (37:20):
I just got goosebumps.
Yeah.
Wait, so that's crazy.
I've never heard of a couplegoing through that same journey
to the same.

SPEAKER_04 (37:26):
We may be the only couple on planet Earth.

SPEAKER_07 (37:28):
No, because I'm sure I'm sure there's many lesbian
couples that have had both sexand heterosexual sexual couples.

SPEAKER_01 (37:34):
So you're a good point.
Very good point.
So when did you have your Somine was very early stage, and
it's interesting because aswomen were the gene?

SPEAKER_06 (37:42):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (37:43):
Neither one of us has the gene.
But as a woman, you're taught toget checked, get checked, get
checked.
So in a normal, regular annualcheckup, they saw something
called DCIS, which is ductalcarcinoma and citto, which means
it's very, very early.
And the advice after seeing allthe doctors was just double
mastectomy and no treatmentafter that, because mine was so
early.
And that's the difference.
Had I seen something red on myleft side, I would have gone to

(38:08):
the doctor five minutes later.

SPEAKER_07 (38:09):
Right, right.
Right away.

SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Right away.

SPEAKER_07 (38:12):
Right away.
Wow.
So what what so is it somethingeverybody should be checking or
something?
Is it you have to wait for asign or is like help me?
I feel like women it's for womenthat trained and goes non-stop.

SPEAKER_05 (38:24):
Look, and by the way, yeah, if men had to do that
mammogram thing, we would havefound the cure by now.
Without question, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
I just think, you know, if you see something say
something like if something likethat, an irritation isn't going
away, it could have been skincancer.
It did turn into skin cancer.
So the breast cancer in a man isso uh uh close to the tissue
that it then turns into skincancer.
So but it could have just beenskin cancer, so you just can't
ignore things.

SPEAKER_05 (38:52):
So when you had your double mastectomy for a male,
how's that different from dothey do like reconstruction too
for that?

SPEAKER_04 (39:00):
No, I mean they basically got sliced right
across.
Both nipples were removed.

SPEAKER_05 (39:07):
Um and then they took the nodes out.

SPEAKER_04 (39:09):
And they just on the left side they took out a bunch
of about 30 nodes.
And um and um I'm in chemo rightnow.
Really?
You still do you still do chemo?
Oh, it's uh it's a long process.
You you there are two types ofjust everybody should know this.
So there are two different typesof chemo drugs.
There's something called taxol,and then there's something

(39:29):
called AC, DC, something likethat.
So the the taxol is uh uh six is12 treatments once a week.
Yeah, and then the eight theother one is four treatments
every other week, and then youdo radiation, the whole process
takes like four or five months.

SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
Wow.

unknown (39:48):
Wow.

SPEAKER_05 (39:48):
And you had to do something similar after your No,
I didn't because mine was caughtso early.
Oh right.
Wow.
Wow, that's so important toknow.

SPEAKER_07 (39:57):
So important to know.
And thank God.
Is there some is there a a placewhere people can reach out to?
Did they think they havesomething?

SPEAKER_01 (40:03):
Is there like a foundation a foundation or some
kind of a BCRF Breast CancerResearch Foundation is
fantastic.
And uh Cliff Hudders, who'sahead of breast cancer as long
catering, he's just amazing.
And and I think that you have tocall these.
If you live somewhere thatdoesn't have a major hospital
and that they might miss it, Iwould just call these places and

(40:26):
say, Can I send you a picture?
Just because now with Zoom andwith telehealth, yeah.
There are places that do atelehealth, but don't actually
really good advice.

SPEAKER_05 (40:36):
Yeah.
Not everyone lives in Manhattanwith all these naturally crazy
beautiful hospitals.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (40:42):
Okay, so I've always believed, let's go back to the
money thing, because you are youguys you guys are a money
couple.
And it's not not that I'm notsaying you have m crazy money,
which I'm sure you do, but moneyis an energy.
Isn't money an energy?
Absolutely.
It's an energy, it's not just aphysical, it's an energy.

(41:04):
Yeah.
And some people just havecontrol of it and know it and
make it and get it.
And they might not have controlin family and love and this and
that, and they're billions andbillions, and all they want is
more billions and more billions.
And it money is an energy.
You you you believe that, right?
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
I think financial literacy is so important.
And that's an energy.
Understanding money.

SPEAKER_07 (41:29):
Understanding money.

SPEAKER_01 (41:30):
Being literate in it.
Really understanding.
Pittsar podcast.

SPEAKER_07 (41:35):
Go back and plug the podcast again.

SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
Real Eisman playbook.

SPEAKER_07 (41:38):
There you go.
The real Eisman playbook.
Okay.
That's it.
No, that's so that's get that'swhat I try to do.
I try to educate people.

SPEAKER_01 (41:46):
And women, I really want women to be educated with
literacy.
Financial literacy, it's soimportant.
Men should know about breastcancer, women should know about
financial literacy.

SPEAKER_05 (41:53):
I love that.
I love the description of thisepisode now.
We have the title and thedescription by the time we
finish it.

SPEAKER_07 (42:01):
And he can't spell opicirus.
So you might as well.
Um money is is a crazy, crazyenergy.
I I I I've seen it in like somany ways.
Well, you saw the bit I do aboutbillionaires.

SPEAKER_01 (42:17):
Have I seen the billionaire?
No, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_07 (42:25):
How to talk to a billionaire.
Yeah.
It's in my new hour.
Okay, we haven't seen it.
I can't wait.
It's one of my favorite bits,even though it doesn't get the
rip-roaringness of it all.

SPEAKER_02 (42:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (42:36):
But it's like one of my favorite bits of how to talk
to a billionaire.
Um, because billionaires, uh youguys aren't those of you who
aren't watching, I mean, this iswhat a billionaire looks like.
I'm not saying you are abillionaire because I'm not.
But but this is what abillionaire looks like.
They they don't look like DonaldTrump.

SPEAKER_01 (42:53):
No, they look homeless.
They look that's what I said.
The more money he gets, the morehomeless it looks.

SPEAKER_07 (42:59):
I cultivated a homeless look for years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, he's wearing a what's this,uh, you're wearing a submariner,
not a gold, not a gold, I wear agold Daytona.
I have no business.
I have no gold.
I don't even know what that is.
Yeah.
Because it's not your thing.
Because the the the money isthat is there, is there is
there's a concept.

(43:20):
And there's so much, and and itbut it's it's dangerous because
it can that that m that energycan warp you.
It can warp you.
It could also be used to startwars.
It could be used, it could beused to create machiach energy.
Like, you know, a few times likesomeone said that their
synagogue just needs to have alaugh.
How much would it cost to bringModi in?

(43:40):
I got it.
And they pay it.
And they create Mashiach energy.
That really showed me like that,like i it's a a partner in
comedy.
And um and it's just I don'tknow, I just see money as um
it's it's this it's this energythat like some people just have
a control over, and some peoplejust have no c no idea how to

(44:03):
they just have a badrelationship with it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:06):
Yeah, and well maybe because they haven't been
trained.
I I don't know if it'sappropriate, but I just have to
put in a plug that money can dois right after 10 7.
I decided that we needed tobring Israeli survivors into uh
Christian churches and created acharity, brought survivors over,
and we went all over theSoutheast to evangelical
churches and schools and and hadlovers of Israel, Christian

(44:31):
lovers of Israel, meet Israelisurvivors who had survived 10-7
and lived through the horror andhugging and kissing and and just
and that to me is Mashiachenergy.
A hundred percent and the mostamazing use of what money can
do.

SPEAKER_04 (44:47):
And by the way, as part of that process, I want to
thank you.
I st as part of Valerie'sincredible charity, which I
participated in in a small wayby schlepping people around, I
stole one of your jokesshamelessly and used it a
thousand times.
Every pastor that I met, I toldhim that joke.

SPEAKER_05 (45:05):
Yes.
You never believe what happenedto me.

SPEAKER_04 (45:07):
Never believe what happened to me.

SPEAKER_02 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah.
It was such a hit.

SPEAKER_04 (45:10):
I mean it was it was gold.

SPEAKER_05 (45:13):
Yeah, gold.
Good, good gold.
None of them had heard, none ofthem have like, oh, I've heard.

SPEAKER_04 (45:17):
No, no, not one of them had ever heard it, and they
lost their they lost it everytime.

SPEAKER_07 (45:22):
Watch this.
Did you do Bishame Omer?

SPEAKER_04 (45:26):
No.

SPEAKER_07 (45:26):
No.
It's okay.
It's probably not my joke.
It's probably Bishame Omerim iswhen you when you say something,
but you say in the name of whoyou heard it.
Beshem in the name of Om.
No, I did not.

SPEAKER_04 (45:37):
I just I plagiarized.

SPEAKER_05 (45:41):
So I grew up in Florida, but then I went to high
school and college in Georgia.

SPEAKER_02 (45:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (45:45):
So I've done TAM in the South.
Yeah.
And um, what was that likeinteracting with it?
Because the evangelicals to meare kind of a scary community.

SPEAKER_01 (45:54):
A lot of people think that way.

SPEAKER_05 (45:56):
I love them.

SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
And I I think they were the nicest, warmest people
I've ever met in my entire life.
The food was particularlyhorrendous.
I mean, oh my god, they wouldserve me lunch and I had to
still I I can't.
With the white bread still, witha slice of white bread and some
glop on a plate, and they wereso kind and so generous, and I
feel I felt really bad aboutthat.

SPEAKER_04 (46:18):
However, such kind people, it's mind-boggling.

SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
Line up to hug Israelis and to she's like, So
where did you where did you go?
Like where we were all overNorth Carolina.

SPEAKER_04 (46:31):
Fort Myers, Florida.
I wanted to say one thing aboutFort Myers.
So something happened.
So she so Valerie sent me withone of the speakers to this um
church in Fort Myers, Florida.
And so we walk, I'll neverforget this, I swear as long as
I live.
Um we walk into the the thechurch, and you know, there's a
beam up.
And and on the right and left istwo enormous crosses.

(46:55):
And they have draped each crossan enormous tallita.
And I have to tell you, Istarted to weep.
I got so overwhelmed that thatthey would do that.
I couldn't believe it.

SPEAKER_07 (47:09):
That's so great.

SPEAKER_01 (47:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (47:11):
That's so amazing.

SPEAKER_01 (47:13):
So there are friends out there.
Not everybody is.

SPEAKER_05 (47:16):
Is the organization still doing stuff?

SPEAKER_01 (47:18):
Um there was different groups that are still
doing stuff.
Growing Wings is an amazingorganization.
It's a lone soldier.
Um, Max Long, he's and lonesoldiers are the ones who go
fight over there and come backhere, and he trains speakers and
he goes into all the churches.
And we've made unbelievablefriends.

SPEAKER_07 (47:35):
Can I tell you it's the most important thing?
I I'll tell you on our ownlittle level, for his 30th
birthday party, Leo lovesIsrael.
And he wanted for his 30th to goto Israel, and we took three
friends who were not Jewish andto show them Israel.
And we went um this is beforeOctober 7th, and we went to um
uh this winery uh sagot in um inthe West Bank.

(48:00):
Yeah, in the West Bank, likedeep in, where like signs and
and they got to see that, andthey got to see Jews and Arabs
living together, and they didn'tunderstand, and it was so
important, and now that when thewar broke out, they have more of
an understanding of what whatit's like in Israel.
I birthright is so important,and every Jewish kid should go
see Israel, but I think itshould be every Christian kid

(48:23):
too, also.

SPEAKER_05 (48:23):
Everybody, everybody.
If anyone from Birthright islistening to this, I'm still
waiting on my trip.
I mean, I've done Israel six orseven times now, but I'd love a
birthright.
We'll do it again.
I'd love a birthright moment.

SPEAKER_07 (48:35):
I've given you like four or five birthright moments.

SPEAKER_05 (48:37):
No, I want to go by myself.
Yeah, I want to go on theTiulim, like you said.

SPEAKER_07 (48:42):
Tiole.
Let's go on a Tiul.
Oh my god.
Um The Rock of the Rock.
The Rock of the Rock.

SPEAKER_01 (48:50):
Okay, that's one of the jokes that I can do.

SPEAKER_07 (48:52):
The rock of the rock couldn't stop.

SPEAKER_01 (48:55):
Could not stop.

SPEAKER_07 (48:56):
I can't I don't know if we're going to T.

SPEAKER_04 (48:57):
Can we talk Yoli?
Go, go, go, go, Yoli, go, Yoli.
I was we were introduced to youthrough Yoli during COVID.
Okay.
And I don't I don't know whotold us about it, but I I just
we just went online and wepulled it up and I said,
somebody told me to watch this.
Let's watch this.
And we were blown away.
I mean, I it was like thefunniest thing I had ever seen

(49:19):
in my life.
And then, of course, highinsurrection.

unknown (49:23):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (49:24):
The what?
Ha insurrection.
January 6th.
You said, What I I need to know,I knew learned and avoid
insurrection.

SPEAKER_05 (49:33):
So this is what happened.

SPEAKER_04 (49:36):
I thought you were Yoli.

SPEAKER_05 (49:37):
I didn't know it was okay.
So listen to me.
I need to hear that.
There was COVID.
We were trapped in the housestaring at each other, and we
were like, I don't know, weshould do something funny.
So he always has that Yolicharacter has had a previous
life in that Clador video fromyears ago.

SPEAKER_07 (49:56):
Okay, so quick, 2000 in 2011, my friend, my friend
was a designer.
Chris Benz invited me to go seehis show at Fashion World.
I said there's nothing moreboring in the world than go
seeing a fashion show.
So me and my friend Brian Grossgot dressed up as chassidum.

SPEAKER_00 (50:12):
You did full blown.

SPEAKER_07 (50:13):
You did that.
We hired a beat.
And we went and they let you in?
And we we hired a camera guy,and we said that we were
designers for a company, for acompany named Clador.
It's amazing.
Footage is amazing.
It was claded.
Clothing.
Right.
Clador.
And we got pressed.

(50:33):
That character was always in me.

SPEAKER_05 (50:35):
Okay.
So that character was not bornthen.
It was like it was in an oldvideo somewhere that I had seen,
and he had the clothes hangingin the closet.
And so we're stuck in the housein COVID, and all of a sudden he
like starts making thischaracter.
And I started filming it on myiPhone, and I've looked back at
those videos recently, andthey're not particularly like
well edited or anything.

(50:57):
I just was like putting picturesof thing, and then the Tiger
King one.
The Tiger King.
I was just like playing on myphone on the couch doing these
videos.

SPEAKER_07 (51:06):
But I have to tell you something.
So, okay, so I'm I'm on thisside of the desk, he's on the
other, and I'm dressed in thefull yoli, and um with the pace
and the hat, and I would belike, okay, so this is the topic
I'm gonna talk about today, andI would go, and then he he would
direct me, go, no.
He'd tell me like he would dothe thumb.

SPEAKER_05 (51:26):
He would be the most called Uber now, we'll make it
the GSA faster.

SPEAKER_07 (51:35):
And then you would tell me and give a fucklaze at
the end.

SPEAKER_04 (51:40):
Oh, by the way, I do steal another line from from
that from the Y only reviews thecrown.
Yeah.
There's one line I use all thetime.
So the the at the near the end,you're talking about how they
they're hunting and they throwit up in the air and they go,
this and that.
And then and then you pause andyou go, Got him.
I use that all the time.

SPEAKER_05 (51:59):
So what happened was people like you and and
thousands of other people,because you also saw near, I'm
assuming, the other character,maybe?
No?
Israeli guy.
So one was Yoily, one was nearthe Novidal Israeli.
And uh they took on this life oftheir own, and you were doing
cameos as them, and people werestopping on the street, and I

(52:20):
was realizing oh, people thinkthat these are real people, that
you are this person, right?
And it's a branding issuebecause like we're just stuck in
the house because of COVID now,but when when this is over,
you're going on tour and youlike have stand-up just stick as
the cell.
Right.
And so I killed it a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 (52:38):
Also, what happened to your what when I got dressed
up as early and I'd be in theapartment, I'd stay in your and
be like, I would just stay inthe Agatha M Listen.
I was like, you have got tostop.
And like this is not what Isigned up for.
Hasidic man.
Get out! He said, get out ofdrag.

unknown (52:58):
Get out of drag.

SPEAKER_05 (53:00):
No, imagine I'm sitting in the house and I turn
around and there's like a fullHasidic man standing in the
kitchen, and I'm like, this iscute when we're filming, but
like when we're not filming,it's a little unsettling.

SPEAKER_07 (53:08):
So I need you to like well, we should bring back
Yoily and near, yeah, near thethe character.
Yeah.
That's so funny.
People have really bonded toYoily.
I think we should bring it back.
I'm gonna start to bring it backa little bit.

SPEAKER_05 (53:21):
No, because I I'm okay to bring them back now just
because when I was watching it,like I said, it's not it was not
high quality.
It was like on my phone.
It was like really cobbledtogether.
I was sitting on my couch makingthem, and then they like went
viral.
And now I feel like if I have todo if we're gonna do them again,
I have to do like I have to geta little bit better.

SPEAKER_07 (53:39):
But we had the flags.
Production we ordered the flags,you know.
Secretary of Simpson ProductiveSimpson, and then also YNN, ULE
News Network.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (53:48):
And then But the fact that they were kind of
lo-fi kind of made them feelreal.
Like it was someone in Brooklynin their basement.
Why?

SPEAKER_01 (53:55):
Because he would show it to everybody he knew.
The same way he was tellingeveryone the world's falling
down.
For yeah, he's like, You gottasee Yoli.

SPEAKER_04 (54:02):
Everybody I know, you gotta see Yoli.

SPEAKER_07 (54:05):
Oh my god.
Okay, we need to start wrappingthis up.
But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (54:11):
We actually have this, yeah, we have time.

SPEAKER_07 (54:14):
You took a next one.
Oh.
We didn't know if you were gonnabe one of those guys who shows
up late and just says like No,not like that.

SPEAKER_05 (54:21):
You're like We're the same way, we're early for
everything.

SPEAKER_04 (54:23):
Every for everything.
Look, it's probably just apodcast.
You gotta be on time.
Yeah.
It's polite.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:29):
I always say you can be early or late, you can't be
on time.
So you gotta pick.

SPEAKER_05 (54:33):
Oh, early or early.

SPEAKER_01 (54:34):
Yeah, nobody's at high on time.

SPEAKER_05 (54:37):
No, to me, on time is late.

SPEAKER_01 (54:39):
I mean on time is very important.
On time is late.

SPEAKER_05 (54:43):
And then if you're five minutes early, you're on
time.

SPEAKER_01 (54:45):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (54:46):
Right.
Yeah.
So but that's how we function.
That was mostly because I haveanxiety.

SPEAKER_07 (54:49):
But yeah, we doesn't get to the airport.
What's your sign?
Cancer.
Cancer.

SPEAKER_01 (54:56):
I'm sorry.
Funny.
Cancer.
Cancer.
And yours?
Scorpio.

SPEAKER_07 (55:02):
Scorpio.

SPEAKER_01 (55:03):
Yeah, I know.
Wow.

SPEAKER_07 (55:04):
Scary.
Wow.
Yeah.
You better listen to her.
Oh, believe me.
You better listen to her.
I totally.
Wait, what's your sign?
I'm a Taurus in the I'm a Taurusin the Gregarian calendar, but
an Aries in the Jewish calendar.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Libra.
He just had a birthday.
September 24th.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:25):
It was fun.

SPEAKER_07 (55:28):
Did you always come?
No, you already did that coming.
What what's your what what whatwhat what's your good time?
What's your favorite thing todo?

SPEAKER_01 (55:37):
Personally or together a couple?
Watch a good TV show.

SPEAKER_07 (55:41):
You do.
Yeah.
If you can find one.

SPEAKER_01 (55:44):
No, he's it actually.
I can find a dissertation.

SPEAKER_05 (55:47):
Oh, oh, so t dish.
What are you watching right now?

SPEAKER_04 (55:51):
Oh well, you know what I'm going to do?
I'll send you the Steve Eismanlist.
There's a list.
You have a list?
50 names of streaming series.

SPEAKER_05 (55:58):
Do you have like rating systems?

SPEAKER_04 (56:00):
I I only divide it into like two categories for
those who like violence and forthose who don't like violence.

SPEAKER_05 (56:04):
No, but we do not like violence.

SPEAKER_00 (56:05):
So that's my side of the list.

SPEAKER_04 (56:06):
So I got 70 shows.
That's so efficient.
70 shows.

SPEAKER_05 (56:11):
Wait, we just finished House of Guinness.
We loved it.

SPEAKER_04 (56:13):
Oh yeah, I was about to start.
I heard it would go watch that.

SPEAKER_05 (56:17):
It's just enough violence.
It's not really violent.

SPEAKER_04 (56:18):
Did you ever watch uh Drops of God?

unknown (56:21):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (56:22):
Oh and the Vineyard.
You guys were talking about theVineyard.
You would love Drops of God.

SPEAKER_04 (56:27):
It's a drama about wine.
That's all I'll say.
That's all you need.

SPEAKER_07 (56:31):
All you need really to 100% truth.
All you need is a littlefashion, a little Holocaust, a
little World War II.
That's all you really need tomake anything good.
A few Nazis.
A few.

SPEAKER_05 (56:45):
That was literally that show about Dior.

SPEAKER_04 (56:48):
Yeah, this is the show.
Have you ever watched any showon High Flicks?
Nobody's heard of the stream.
It's a streaming service.
It's a streaming service fromIsrael.
You should subscribe to it forjust like a short period of time
for one show.
It's called The New Black.

(57:10):
It's about the yeshiva world.
Okay.
And you love it.
You loved it.
It was great.
And the third season juststarted.

SPEAKER_05 (57:18):
So you love being at home in your nest with the
watching a movie.
That does.
That does sometimes when we'rehome.

SPEAKER_07 (57:26):
So we're either full either.

SPEAKER_05 (57:29):
We're either in a delta lounge.
In a delta lounge.
Backstage in a green room.

SPEAKER_07 (57:33):
Which is my favorite place in the world.

SPEAKER_05 (57:35):
My least favorite place in the world.
You love a delta.

SPEAKER_07 (57:36):
I love a little bit of a room.
The Delta Lounge or the GreenRoom?
We travel.
We travel.
Of course you do.
And I and there's nothing,nothing I could be happier more
than traveling to shows, doingshows, green room hotels.
And it's because there's zerostress on my life.

SPEAKER_01 (57:49):
I get it.

SPEAKER_07 (57:50):
He's got everything organized.
We show up, there's some guystanding there with a sign
saying Modi, and then everyIndian standing next to him.
I was about to say every on oneside is like, where's the prime
minister?
There's Indians looking to seewhat Modi's coming.
And on the other side, you seeOrthodox Jews going, Modi's
gonna be coming?
So there's that's organized.

(58:11):
Well, I've been putting my nameon the side lately, but then the
hotels are set up, and then whenwe get to the green room, these
massive theaters, andeverybody's looking for him
because of the advance, and Ijust walk in, huh?
They have my Celsius in thegreen room.
I couldn't be happier.
Um so for me, it's just uh it'sheaven.

(58:31):
And I walk on stage, but he'sgot all the strands.
He's got all the stress.

SPEAKER_01 (58:35):
You're carrying the bags, quite literally.

SPEAKER_07 (58:37):
Um, yeah.
You gotta make the sure thetrain runs.
Yeah.
Yes.
I just I just he just kicks meon go be funny.
And um, but but so he he's so wehe loves to also like we also
just just just like in the housewatching House of Guinness or
whatever we're about to watchfrom your list.

SPEAKER_05 (58:53):
We just bought a house in Connecticut, and all we
do, well all we do really whenwe're up there is like sleep
really late because it's soquiet and watch movies and like
cozy up.

SPEAKER_07 (59:03):
But then the other side of us is like we can just
we're gonna go hard.
We can go like for 72 hours.
Let's just send it down to arave.

SPEAKER_05 (59:10):
To like a basement somewhere in a warehouse at
Brooklyn.
Oh my god.
Okay, that sounds like fun.

SPEAKER_01 (59:16):
Can I come?

SPEAKER_02 (59:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (59:17):
One of my Israeli speakers, one of the survivors
of Nova, he like he was at hewas at Nova, right?
Yeah.
And and he said, I'll make adeal with you.
He said, I'll do this with you.
I'll go to all these churches inthe southeast, you're coming to
a rave.
And I said, I'm you gone yet?
No, not yet.
I have to go to a rave, but hewants to go to a rave.
We'll take you.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (59:33):
There's some good music and you don't have to
schluck to Israel to go to thewave.

SPEAKER_01 (59:37):
No, no, we were going to Europe somewhere, he
and I.
But I I'll go.

SPEAKER_07 (59:40):
Right over the bridge, there's a warehouse, a
good DJ.
And you'll see Yeah, and he'slike, do not like nothing.
He's like, don't invite me tosprint the TV.

SPEAKER_02 (59:52):
I'm in.

SPEAKER_07 (59:53):
No, but we don't watch violent shows because we
take our sleeping pill rightbefore we watch the TV.
And and I don't like gore, Idon't like blood.
Yeah, and loud and loud becauseyou can't sleep at the time.
It's also not good for yourpsyche.
Yeah.
It's not good for your psyche.
I can't watch Fouda.
I can't watch these shows.
Fouda's fantastic andpetrifying.
It's petrifying.
I can't.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:12):
So this guy, the one who wants me to go to a rave, he
actually would go on he was aFouda.
That's what he was.
That was just that was just thewall.
And I'm like, tell him, like, isFouda real?
And he said, it's worse.
It's worse.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:26):
Oh gosh.
Yeah, which I don't need to see.
House of Guinness.
Irish people making beer.
Thank you, God.
That's all we need.
That's all we need.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:38):
Yeah.
We watched Tex in the Cityagain.
And if there's nothing to watch.
Yeah.
The Chatchilla from thebeginning, you watch the crown.

unknown (01:00:48):
From the beginning.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:49):
Episode one, season one.
The crown.
Oh, and then I walk around thehouse.
I feel that way about the WestWing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:55):
Yeah, he goes back to the show.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:56):
We should try that again.
I did that in I watched that alot in college.
It was really good.
They invented the walk andtalking Sorkin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorkin?
Sorkin.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:05):
The other one that I watched many times was uh Friday
Night Lights.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:08):
The football?
Football.
Yeah, Murray's not a big sportsyguy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:13):
Moving on.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:15):
By the way, I've asked everything.
Well, the only question I hadleft was, and this is a question
is like so in the Talmud ittalks about comedians.
And um and people who arecomedians have a chalik and ulam
habah.
They have a section in the worldto come.
That means if you're a comedian,you do it right, but you don't

(01:01:35):
have to come back to this world.
You don't have to come back anddeal with traffic and take SATs
again and and hire lawyers andpay taxes, and you're done.
You're done with this world andyou move on to the world to
come.
So what what I'm sure thisphilanthropic things like this
church being to be able to judgewhat else are you doing for your

(01:01:56):
olamhaba, for your world tocome?
That's a good that's my newquestion to be asking.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:01):
Raising awareness for breast cancer, obviously.
Yeah, doing that.
I could save someone's lifelistening to this today.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a big thing that we'redoing.
Good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:12):
What else do you got?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:13):
No, that's a good idea.
We got things that are somethingelse.
We have um Canary Mission, butyou can't talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:21):
Yeah, there's that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:22):
Um, so stuff we stuff in in the pipeline we
can't talk about.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:25):
I think your podcast is raising awareness and
financial literacy.
I really believe in financialliteracy for women because I
think that women just are afraidto say they actually don't know.
And I worked on Wall Street forsix years.
I was at Lehman and JP Morgan.
So what happened was Stevensaid, We're both lawyers.
And he said, you know what?

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:43):
We could make it both also lawyers who were both
lawyers.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:45):
And he says, we can make real money.
And I'm like, okay, how do we dothat?
He says, we go to Wall Streetand we become stock analysts.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:52):
And I'm like, Wait, and how old were you both when
this conversation was in my 20s?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:55):
No, no, no.
We were like 27.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:58):
Okay, okay.
So I'm like, okay, let's go toWall Street.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:01):
Yeah.
And I was a lawyer.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:02):
And then we were both old.
I'm a tax lawyer.
So I was a tax lawyer at a bigWall Street firm at a big firm.
And he's at a big firm.
He's like, I hate the law.
I didn't mind the law, but he'slike real money.
And I said, okay, let's makereal money.
Speaking of making money.
So then he said, We're gonnabecome stock analysts.
So I said What's that?
So I said, okay, what's that?
So then it turned out my brotherwas dating this woman who was a
stock analyst.

(01:03:22):
She said, I'm gonna help you geta job.
It turned out that it was in1989, um, it was right around
then, 1990, and there's arecession.
So they were firing everyone,and they needed one person to
come in to be an assistant.
And I read all the research, Imemorized it, I went into this
job, I knew nothing aboutanything, and I got the job.

(01:03:43):
So now I had to show up at Liamand Brothers stock research
department as an assistant tothree analysts and actually
support them.
I didn't sleep a wink for threemonths.
I was stressed off of my I can'teven imagine.
And he's doing the same thing.
He was a stock analyst, and thatwas the beginning of my

(01:04:04):
financial literacy.
Studied CFA, so I had a lawdegree now.
I'm studying, and then and Ijust start layer layering on all
this information.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:12):
No, I'm not that dumb.
I'm not I'm how do we luckily Ilearned enough to like to handle
our you know, yeah, but that's alot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:21):
That's a lot.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:22):
So much more than anybody else.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:23):
That's really impressive.
So if you had to pick, I don'tknow, I don't want to put you on
the spot, like one or two orthree books, like a woman
listening to this being like, ohmy God, I actually I'm not
financially literate, wherewould you be a starting point
besides listening to thepodcast?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:38):
So I don't right, besides the podcast, of course.
I think I don't know aboutparticular books, but I would
say understand how to get intothe stock market, because if
you've earned even$10,000 extraand you want to put it somewhere
and you're young, you should beinvesting it.
Should not be afraid to invest alittle bit of money at a time,
and and don't be afraid.
And then that's number one.

(01:04:59):
Number two, I always say don'tmarry somebody you can't
divorce.
And what I mean by that isgetting married.
I was also a divorce attorney.
Don't ask.
Getting married.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:09):
She's done it all.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:10):
She really has.
I knew Fagan was the same.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:14):
And I ran a clothing store, so I happen to like
fashion too.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:17):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:18):
And I do find fashion too is really boring.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:21):
I know.
So we we will maybe at thebrave.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:24):
That's water.
We drink water.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:27):
Okay, you have to.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:28):
You have to.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:29):
So I think that it's uh be able to invest.
I think you're if you're gonnaget married, and you really have
to understand marriage, and youhave to understand that that
there's there's all kinds oflegal and there's all kinds of
financial things that go withthat.
And you should have financialliteracy.
You should be able to earn anincome.
I don't care if you're thenon-earning spouse, make sure

(01:05:50):
you can always earn an income.
You stop existing as a person ifyou don't earn an income.
So those just find books aboutthat financial literacy, and
maybe we'll talk about it on ourpodcast.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:00):
That's such an important thing.
It's so great.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:03):
It's just Wow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:04):
That way, yeah, you should definitely talk about on
the podcast.
Definitely.
We have to do that.
We're trying to figure out.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:09):
What are you gonna talk about on the podcast if not
that?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:11):
I this is I mean.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:14):
How many episodes in are you now?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:15):
We just started this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:16):
We started in the first week of April.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:18):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So I caught, I caught, I caughttwo or three.
They were great.
Oh, thank you.
They were great.
Um, the the one where youdiscussed your entire thing with
the movie.
So I like it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:29):
That was that's no, that's done really well.
It was so good.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:32):
It was so good.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:33):
It's cool how you had the um the reporter come in
to interview you for that.
Yeah, Melissa Lynn.
Yeah, the format.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:40):
She interviewed you for the first time.
Oh, is that the one that you'retalking about?
Also, the there was one recentlythat we did which has gone crazy
where um I actually go throughthe movies almost scene by scene
and tell you what's what'swhat's true, what's not true.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:54):
That's fun.
That was a lot of fun.
We should we watch the movie andthen listen to the director's
commentary, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:00):
It's kind of like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:01):
And there's so much stuff that still can be talked
about.
Adam McKay was in our livingroom talking about who's gonna
play us.
And and just to throw Stephen.
It's so crazy.
But to throw Stephen completelyunder the bus.
And it's like, well, I reallywell, who did you want to play?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:16):
No, no.
What happened was Adam McKaycalls me, you know, he was he he
wrote the script and directedthe movie.
And he calls me up.
He's telling me he was gonnamake the movie.
And I was like, yeah, yeah,sure.
You know.
And then he says, No, no, we'rereally gonna make it.
And there's he said there's astrong possibility that Brad
Pitt's gonna play you.
Stop.
I swear.
And I said, Yeah.
I said, listen.

(01:07:38):
The only thing Brad Pitt and Ihave in common is we both have
really good hair.
That's it.
And then it turned out that BradPitt could not blame me for
scheduling conflict.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:48):
Do you want to know something though?
I've I'm gonna say this.
This is a safe space.
I've always found something veryattractive about Steve Carell.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:56):
Oh my god.
So Steve Carell was in our link.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:58):
I think he's handsome.
I think he's a good looking.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:02):
You have no idea.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:02):
Yeah, maybe okay, Brad Pitt is Brad Pitt, but like
No, Steve Carell.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:06):
He's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:07):
They could have done you work.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:08):
Oh, he would do an amazing job.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:12):
No, not I'm not talking about acting-wise.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:13):
I'm just talking about because he plays these
sort of nerdy guys, but in realin real life, he he's not my
dog.
Literally made a beeline for hislaugh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:23):
That's a good sign.
That's a good sign.
That's a good sign.
What kind of dogs do you have?
That was a shit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:27):
He is a shih tzu bee, Sean.
It's corduroy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:30):
Cute.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:32):
Shine.
So plug plug away websites,Instagram.
Which is his camera, which ishis camera.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:39):
So the name of the podcast is The Real Eisman
Playbook, and the website isRealizmanPlaybook.com.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:46):
And where can they find you?
Are you on Instagram or anythinglike that?
Everything.
Or on everything.
TikTok Instagram.
I'll link it all in thedescription of the bio.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Of the episode.
Thank you.
Do you want to do some showsreal quick?
Just some plugs and shows?
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:00):
Can I tell a joke?
Please.
Please do.
Thank you.
So I just want to tell you whenI would tell your joke to the
pastors, I would follow up witha joke of mine.
It was like it was like a doublewhammy.
Okay.
So the joke I I would alwaystell is uh Orthodox Jewish man
has a son, sends him to Orthodoxyeshiva.
The kid's a terrible disciplineproblem, the kid gets expelled.

(01:09:23):
Sends him to conservative Jewishday school, he gets expelled.
Sends him to Reformed Jewish dayschool, he gets expelled.
So finally, they have a choice.
He sends him to the New Yorkpublic school.
And even if the kids are so bad,he gets expelled.
So finally, as a joke, fathersends his son wearing his
yarmulk to the neighborhoodCatholic school.
Kid's an immediate modelstudent.
Immediate.
Jesuit teachers love him,they're popular with the

(01:09:44):
students, he starts to getstraight A's.
Father keeps his mouth shut forsix months.
So finally, after six months,the father can't stand anymore.
He takes his son aside.
He says, Son, you have toexplain this to me.
I send you to every Jewish dayschool in New York metropolitan
area.
You get expelled.
I send you to New York publicschool, you get expelled.
But I send you to Catholicschool.
For God's sake, Catholic school.

(01:10:04):
And you're a model student.
What happened?
So the son says, Well dad, totell you the truth, the first
day I go to Catholic school, Iwalk in the building, I look up,
I see this Jewish guy nailed toa cross.
I figure that's what they dohere to all the Jews who are
disciplined problems.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:18):
I was good.
You kind of have somethingsimilar in your hour now about
that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:22):
But I have uh but I I was thinking he was running a
Yamak, and they thought he wasthe one.
I was thinking of Yamaka.
That's where I was.
Oh my god, it's so funny, sofun.
It's funny.
I have a funny, I have a veryfunny bit about Jesus in the
cross.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:34):
And where can they come here the funny bit?

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:39):
Folks.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:39):
Yes.
Bli Ainara, we are going on theroad.
We are we we just okay, sothere's two shows.
But let me do the ones I knowfor sure.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:47):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:48):
Miami.
Miami, Miami.
Every time we post that we aresomewhere, you always say, When
are you coming to Miami?
We're coming to do the improv inuh November 5th and 6th.
And then right to Syracuse for7th and 8th.
Yep.
Um working out the hour that andand change that we have for the

(01:11:10):
taping, which is in Atlanta,December 10th and 11th.
We're taping the special.
If you need a trip to Atlanta,this is an amazing region.
There's a few tickets left.
We also have shows in Seattlewhere we're adding a show.
We're in San Francisco.
We're gonna be Vancouver.
Vancouver.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:24):
That's the West Coast.
Vienna, Amsterdam, Berlin,Paris, uh, Chicago and LA for
the Big Deal Comedy Show withElon Gold and Michael Rappaport.
Ah, Elon Gold.
Also, fans of the podcast, onOctober 22nd, we're doing a live
podcast taping with DeborahMessing at the 92nd Street Y.
Those tickets sold outimmediately, but you can

(01:11:46):
register by making a donation tothe 92nd Street Y, you'll have
access to the live stream, andit will also give you like 48
after hours after the live uhstream to watch it on your own
time as well.
All that money goes to the 92ndStreet Y.
Um, that's gonna be a really funevent.
And um, we have a sign-up uhlink on your website for New

(01:12:06):
York City on April 23rd for acertain big show coming up.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:10):
April 30th.
We're not we're not we're notgonna talk about it, but we are
gonna be at Radio City MusicHall.
No! Yeah, no, yeah, solo show,Modi's biggest solo show to date
anywhere.
And it's gonna be insane.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:24):
It's huge! April 23rd.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:25):
Full machine of tickets.
The beacon was big.
Yeah, and this is this isbigger.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:30):
So we did three beacons, yeah.
So that equals one radio city.
Really?

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:34):
And the tickets go on sale on uh October 28th.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:37):
So then there's a pre-sale October 28th going into
a general on sale.
So if you want to know whenthose tickets go on sale,
because you people alwaysmessage me and DM me, I miss the
tickets, they're sold out.
Sign up for the the link that'son the website now, and as soon
as those go on sale, you'll getan email directly to you, and
you can get your tickets.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:54):
This is and this is you're gonna be hearing this
episode after Kul Nidre uhservices, which is tonight.
And I wish everybody for real anamazing happy new year full of
Mashiach energy.
We're living in a messianictime, so create mashiach energy.

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