November 21, 2025 • 30 mins
In this energizing conversation, Cynthia meets siblings Denver and Dylan Humphrey, co-founders of the youth nonprofit Fourddo, whose mission is to amplify young voices and build real community. They share how a homeschooled, low-social-media childhood evolved into a joint platform—and then into a hub that connects teens across states with resources, mentors, and each other. The duo explains why they refuse to “be niche”: mental health, civic education, arts, equity, and storytelling all belong in the same room when you’re serving whole human beings. We hear about their Days of Mindfulness campaign, pop-up gatherings that give students a reset through movement, play, and presence—and why simply staying in touch is transformative. Denver and Dylan talk about bridge-building (introductions, DMs, late-night check-ins), making local retreats community-run, and the power of intergenerational listening. Most of all, they model sibling teamwork as a practice of empathy, fluidity, and love. The result is a blueprint for youth leadership that is inclusive, practical, and deeply human.
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Hi, I'm
Cynthia Marks and I head up the HolisticPsychoanalysis Foundation,
established by my latehusband, Doctor Bernard Bail.
Welcome to and now love,
brother and sister Denver and Dylan
Humphrey have been kind enoughto break from their busy schedules
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as co-foundersof their nonprofit organization
named Fourddoin order to spend some time with us today.
Denver is in Orlandoand Dylan is in Boston.
Their mission is to amplifythe voices of today's youth
and address pressing issuesthat affect them.
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It's an awesome goal, and they are comingat it from all kinds of directions.
So let's hear what they have to say.
Welcome. Hi, Cynthia.
Hi, everybody.
Thank you so much. Yeah, it's.
So happy you're here.
And I know that what you're doingis fabulous.
And I really want our audienceto hear more about it.
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And I think it's so important.
And it's not unusual for me to think this.
That people your age have a voicethat's heard,
and what is being saidor thought about is super important.
After all, we were all once your age.
If we're not your age now.
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So it's important for peoplemy age to think back on on how strongly
we felt about things and what disturbed usand what we were afraid of,
and think about whether or notwe felt like we had a voice.
And it's importantfor us to respect that in everyone.
And we're here to helpyou talk about your audience.
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So what is 4D? Do?
Well, what we do is our nonprofit platformthat Denver and I started six years ago.
This is your number six.
And it started off as like,
just us kind of workwith different initiatives
and things that we were passionate about.
And now a certainkind of like a nonprofit hub
for young people to help amplifyand accelerate them even further.
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What do you do? It's,
greatorganization that was started in 2019.
We were like we little babies,and now we're a bit older little babies,
but we're kind of going to collegeand and high school and little things now.
So it's exciting.
But 42 is grown with us.
It's pretty amazingthat somewhere in there you you
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found this motivation
or you understood that there was thisgreat need.
How did you come to that motivationor what did you see happening
where you thought,wait a minute, wait a minute,
this community isn't being heard,or we feel like
our peers are stifled
or are afraid to speakor don't have the opportunity.
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I mean, I know you've been in situationsas intimate as family dinners
and and you've taken care to, to show us,you know,
how important it is to communicate,even in that sort of close knit situation.
What motivated you to get here?
I'd say that,
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that motivation or I don't know, thatfeeling kind of finds you, if anything.
And I and I think it's beingin these spaces and being different people
and you're like,there's like a little gap that you can
like film, like the work that you dothat just comes so innate to you.
You just realize if you keep doing itand you work with people that you trust
and talk to young
people and be in their spacesand really meet them where they're at,
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you find outthat that's a big part of the work itself.
You start doing it inherently.
And I also think it's like wewe started it.
I mean, we had the opportunity to performon this really large stage together.
And from therewe kind of grew like a social platform
and all of that and startedadvocating for causes and all of that.
But and I also know the importance of,you know, where is it?
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Awareness week thought what?
How are we use that on our own platformand use that for good?
So we had a small little platformand thought, well how about we use it.
So yeah.
And I think that kind of cameabout to be 42.
And from there we were like, yeah,I think it's a nonprofit,
but also it's a club for young peoplewhere they can share their stories,
we can share ours.
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And it's just an overall socialgood platform.
So. So you say you started this,you were on a stage and you were you two
speaking to an audienceabout something specific
or or were you part of a larger groupand you were just noticing
that the audience had
questions or a
curiosity that made you think, there'ssomething here.
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Well, we grew up homeschooled,and a big part of that is that, like,
we didn't have social media,
and then we kind of created a jointsocial media account like we would post.
We played tennis,we sang, we swam, we did.
We did all the things that were like,this is gonna be our little camera.
We can, like, show off the thingsthat we're doing each day.
And if we can just talk about, hopefullyinspire a young person who's watching.
That was really our only goal.
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And then as we grewand our platform expanded,
we started getting interestin different brands, organizations.
We started doing different performances.
We're just like, how can we make thisconnected with something that's important?
I mean, from there, put it,it was born realizing that this platform
could turn into an actuallike agent for change endeavor.
And I could just,you know, help facilitate that
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and also amplify it further.
So your first recognitionthen came from your social media presence,
and you guys didn't really know that muchabout social media
firsthand because you you weren'tpaying attention to it at home.
Right?
And then you just started posting aboutyourselves and it just kind of took off,
like, here are two regular peopledoing regular things.
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Kind of.
We were just always young kidsdoing different things.
And then we were like, let's just
this is a way that we can meet peoplealso show our story a bit more
and almost like crack open the windowa little bit, right?
Yeah, I think from a young age on thatboth been like big storytellers
and it's kind of been kind of how 42is kind of a broad looking use to kind of
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be like Dylan and I, but it has likeevolved over time to be like this
social platform for other young peopleto share their stories and to connect.
Crazy at that ageand that you that it caught on
and that brands started to come to youlike you guys have something to say.
We made like Lego movies
and we just we were very communicative,knew the importance of communicating.
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And then as we go on to the artsand try out different spaces,
we were like, oh, we can kind of movevery freely through that.
And, and we hope young people knowthat they can also do that.
But we also know that it's important thatwe want to share a story because quite.
Why not?
And I think that's justthe important thing that we've realized.
So yeah, we're figuring out.
Yeah.
Well, I think one of the cool thingsabout what you're doing is that I think
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you guys are coming to social mediafrom a place of authenticity and honesty
and joy and concern and helpfulness,
and that needs a bigger, bigger,bigger presence on social media.
So that you're doing thatand you have an audience is fantastic.
Absolutely.
And when you when you do different thingsand you're in different spaces,
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you're constantly performingor doing something right.
And so social media becomes a toolyou can utilize to further your work.
And when your audienceor the people that you choose
to serve are engaging with Fourddo,what are they doing?
What is the process?
How are they benefitingfrom their engagement with you?
Yeah, honestly, a big part that I've seenis just staying in touch like Denver.
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And I, I know this summer.
And there was like,
you were just having a zoom callsevery day with kids from Montana,
kids from Florida Kitchen Alabama,or those from Florida, like, you name it.
We were just talking about the workthey were doing and how important it is
for it to just be interconnectand to just stay connected.
So, so an individual in Wisconsin
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makes an appointment to talk with you,and you set up a time.
And why is he wanting to talk to you?
Is he looking for help?
In terms of
I'm really interested in painting,but I don't know where to go with that.
Or is it more a conversationabout I'm scared or I'm
unhappyor I, I don't know how to help myself.
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I've noticed that it's oftena mix of those conversations.
Right.
And then our goal is not to specify.Right.
I think that's the whole point.
Like we can pivot between different spaces
and different conversationsbecause all these issues impact on people.
And so I also want to add, I thinkit's like we'll just love to check in
and like we love talking scheduling a callor like DMing us like we don't.
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I think it's it's so needed to loveon each other and check in on each other.
Like the whole point is that I see you,I see you, and I think it's so important,
I think done.
I really prioritize that with Fourddolike just because, you know,
you're a part of this eventthat we had in New York doesn't mean
that you can never, like, reach out to uslike we want to stay connected with you,
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your partner Fourddo,you know, for forever.
So so then you might have the abilityto help somebody in Boise
find an outlet in Boisethat they can become part of.
Is that right? Absolutely.
And then always keeping that lineopen. Right.
I've had the the 9 p.m.
text be like, hate doing,can I hop on a call?
I'm like, yeah, let's chat.
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I'm just leaving the dining hall.So we walk in, I'm walking.
We can just have a conversationabout it's life stuff and you just stuff
and also just it's an additional,oh, are you okay?
Right.
Also, I think a lot of it's like resourceallocation and kind of figuring out,
you know, if you want to be involved with
this organization,we've probably worked with them.
So, you know, we'll put you in touch.
I mean, I've done easily dozens,a lot of times of just like young people
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reaching out, I have this project,I have this initiative
period will highlight you for our socials,but we'll also give you,
you know, some tools and resourcesthat may also benefit you.
So a lot of individuals have discoveredthat they that you're a great resource.
I'm struggling with something.I don't know
where to get this information.I don't know how to get involved.
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I shouldn't get involved. I'm too shy.
I think young people right now,we hear a lot like they got it.
Like I have it, figure it out.
But you're giving us access to roomsthat we didn't build, so we're not
sure, like, okay, this table, thank youfor the access, but what do I do next.
Right.
And so helping them understand
how to move forward and not feel alonein that process, that's a big part of it.
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I love all I doing just said yeah.
Not alone in that process,because we've had a lot of times
of what to do or just doing.
I have had to kind of figure outhow to move forward, but like alone
or by ourselves and, you know, maybe,you know, having this thing
to do or having this initiativeand you don't know how to like progress.
So I feel like A42 or a lot of timespeople bounce off ideas or just come to us
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with something and like,I feel like it's always difficult
because you have to almost.
I think as people, we feel likewe have to lead in
silence or kind of lead alone,and you don't have to.
I think it's important to knowyou have community in that.
You can do it together.
I don't know how you're goingto keep up with this, though.
How do you manage your own liveswhen you're
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you must be getting contacted constantly.
Well, one thing I've noticed is thatthere's never too much connection, right?
And you can also bounce that.
Right?
Like you be very real and upfront,like what your plate can handle.
I mean, oftentimes
I've had a connection be like, hey,you know, there's this other connection
that actually lived in the same stateas you like a few blocks away from you.
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Like, I kind of built that bridge. Right.
And then after that, it was like,okay, my back up
now there, now as I'm talkingwith each of them separately, I'm like,
okay, y'all are buildingsomething really exciting
and you kind of see that from afar.
And I love,I love the joy that come from this moment.
You're building bridges,you're setting up means of communication
with other individuals, connecting them
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and giving them a placeto express themselves.
That's one of the big goals.
And another one is,how can we use our platform
to hidethese important initiatives? Right.
So we designed these campaigns
that are talking about,you know, shouted hunger, racial inequity
and art like an expressionlike we're using our platform as like,
here's what's going on right now
and here's how you can engageand feel involved in the movement.
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So that was one of the major thingsthat we worked on this year, specifically
was, a campaign calledDays of Mindfulness, which took us around
several statesnationwide to spread mindfulness
and spread joy and talk about mentalhealth and well-being for youth.
And that's so great.
So, for example,
this event that took place in New York,a mindfulness event, what was that?
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What was that like?
So a big part of that event was like,let's just stop versus
right, let's stop all the the noise,all the chaos of life and stress.
And let's just gather,you know, like physically in a space
and let's just see what, like,what we can get up to.
And so we had some young peoplewe had like expressive dance.
We had stumbles
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like we just had a lot of movementand a lot of play, a lot of physical.
We had young people who were just onwith their exams, thinking about college.
We had they were very stressed out
and they're like, oh,I like needed this moment to just reset it
and not only reset, but see that otherpeople needed to reset as well.
Like it was just ajust a communal need for peace,
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fostering spaces that are made just forthat is a big part of our work.
Do you feel like a lot of individualsfeel just like that?
Individuals, in a way,nobody but me is going through this.
Whatever this is.
I feel like we're all feel likewe're on like this journey by ourselves.
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And I think it feels like
you're the only person in the boat andlike nobody else is in the boat with you.
And we kind ofjust want to open up that space
because, like,I know I saw some kids walk in
and it was just presentand they became present.
And I think that's so wonderfulto see that, you know, we all we're
connecting with each otherand just dancing and having a good time.
And it just makes me emotionalthinking about it at Fourddo
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we want to make sure you, youth knowthat you're not alone?
We have kind of asked ourselves, like,where are the safe spaces, right?
Like where are our spacesthat are not challenging them?
You know, like not just allowing youto come in, be you and just exist, right?
Like every
space that we have in the societyis set to challenge how we function
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and make it difficult and stressthe little things.
Right.
And so how can us, you know, Denverand I Fourddo in our work
like facilitate spacesto like prevent isolation?
I feel likeand you know more about this than I do
because you're your ageand I my age that it's hard for a lot of
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younger people to have a voicethat's heard that home life,
whatever that is, puts them in a placewhere they do
have to operate from a place of isolationfor whatever reason.
And we come to think that that is how
everyone is,and that is how we're supposed to be,
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and that it's probablynot okay to step outside and ask for help.
And maybe it's not okay to have a voice
because everybody's so busythey don't have time to hear you.
There's just a lot ofhow can we give young people
what they needwithout asking what they need?
And about listeningto what they might want.
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I also think we live in a world wherewhere a lot of people lead by assumption
and kind of don't really. Yeah.
As Tom was saying, ask for youngpeople need or kind of assume
what young people need.
And I think that as youngpeople were trying to are aware
of what other young people want,but we also know it's important to ask,
what do other young people,
maybe in rural or suburbanor just different communities, need?
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We want to make sure that we'rewe're listening to all the all voices,
especially the underrepresented voicesas well.
Our whole mission statement iswe don't subscribe to being niche.
And but we also want to make surethat we're aware of what's going on.
Because if you don't have awarenessand none of this really matters.
And when you say you don't subscribeto being niche again
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because I'm not your age,what does that mean?
In this social media world.
You can move freely.
You can move freely,like you mentioned a little earlier,
like whether it's in civic educationor mental health or racial inequity,
or whether you're in Boston or Florida
or California, like,you have a state, right?
You can be in any of these spaces.
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If you're a young kid in middle school,you can talk about
how you're not feeling tooand how you wish you could,
you know, speak to a therapistor find a mental health provider. Right?
That's mental health.
If you feel uncomfortablewith what's going on
in your in your environment,that's civic education, right?
You can talk and move freelythrough each of these spaces
and not feel from the get to choose oneto kind of hunker down in.
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And also like you can do a national tour,then also make a documentary.
So it's like you don't kind ofhave to stay in your one lane
of doing things, and that you can kindof make impact in various ways.
Yeah, that makes sense in my world,it's like being a general contractor,
you know, lots of different areasand you have some expertise in each.
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And they're all important to theto the whole.
It's nice for all of usto have a respect for civic education
and mental health and wellness.
So it's I think that you're
allowing or helping individuals understand
that all of that is importantand worthy is awesome.
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And to do somethingwhich I think is unusual in that
I don't think a lot of ushave time for it anymore to truly listen.
So the person on the other sidefeels truly heard.
That is hard to come by.
So what do you do with your futurein this organization of yours that's
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growing and taking up more of your timeand doing more and more fabulous things?
What's what's coming next?
Yeah, I mean, there's so many amazingthings on the horizon Fourddo.
We have like a lot of core programingthat's coming up and just innovative ideas
and coming in 2026, we have like excitingcouple projects called Four Stories,
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which is socially conscious essaysand a couple of other,
you know, great works like the theme for2026 is like Days of Discovery,
which is kind of restorative retreatsfor young people.
We have a lot of things,
a lot of cool partnerships in the works,and just excited for young people
to just be engaged and involvedand really reach a lot more communities.
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So I love that you've come up with this,this restorative retreat.
It sounds really greatand I'm curious to know how that works.
You can't be at all of these eventsyou're creating.
Do you set something up ingiven communities and figure out
how people can access that?
Yeah, that's the answer.
A big part of wellnessand finding yourself and expression
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and thought discovery.
Honestly,is expanding your worldview, right?
I think we all have that momentin like the 16 to like 20
age group where you just have a weekor like a few days or just like,
I just want to change how you see things,you know,
and kind of change your outlook.
And so how can Fourddo provide thatand support young people and potentially
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like providing a connective opportunitythat enlightens
and also likecan just widen your eyes a bit more.
And I also think like especially for thosein those rural communities, those who,
like you mentioned Idaho,like Montana and North Dakota, like spaces
that might not, might not feel likethey have access to things like this.
How can we, like, go directly to themand be like, we want you in this space,
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other young peopleconnecting and creating things.
Yeah, but you can't be presentat all of these retreats.
You're you're developingdeveloping them in communities.
Yeah.
I think forDylan and I were very busy people.
I think we're we're going to make the timeif we can, but I think we also know
that, putting it in the hands of localcommunities and developing the framework
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and also making sure we'rewe don't want to be that's a big thing.
Yeah. Like, you want to able to contributeto the spaces that are entering.
So like okay,you bringing people together.
What project will they make togetherin that space, that comment
on what's going on right now.
And so, I think a big part of this is we
may not be there physically,but we will be there in spirit.
I think a big part of, you know, the vibe,as young people say, is just the vibe.
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And we want to make sure that what we do
has that vibe that I thinkcomes from our selling relationship
growing up,being conscious of one another.
And so how can we improve thatinto a physical space for young people?
That's I think, so. Well said.
I feel like a lot of what happensthat's great in life.
The experiences where we're learningor growing
trulycome from having a feeling where you say,
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that's it.
I need to work from this feeling to create
what it is that feels good.
What about this feeling?
Do I want to really take out with me,you know, to
bring into the worldthis this is a a good thing.
This is something I want to work with.
And and that youI have this unique relationship,
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the two of you where you as a team,you can work really well.
So much better than a lot of us can.
So thank you for that.That's unbelievable.
And I do think that you,because of that connection,
because of that feeling you have,you can see it when others come to it
and not invade their space
but help them go with it like, yeah,you got this.
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You're on to something.
Absolutely.
And this like to touch on thatwhen you grow up
so close with a sisterand you know, there's a four year age gap.
We just did everything together really.
Like I will always approach thingswith my own approach
and then be conscious of hurts. Right.
And so I think we just needmore of that more,
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convergent thinking,like thinking about her off
this perspective,about about something else,
or just being mindful of the otherperspectives in the room and how,
we should seek those out.
Because at the end of the day,it just makes it so much more fruitful.
Yeah.
I also think you really realize
how much sibling this isrooted in the foundation of what you do.
Like, it's just always thinkingabout the other person and kind of having
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that like two person or just more peoplemindset, not just yourself.
And I think it's just veryI think it's really rooted in what you do,
and I really love that.
So I'm just excited for us to take thatinto 2026 and other community, you know,
rooted aspects so that we can really touchon, you know, a lot of different things.
Well, I think what you're doingis really, really fresh and new
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and such a positive wayto use social media
and that you can use social media to kindof get to the grass roots of things
that people can't get to on their own,sort of without social media.
But you're opening a window for them
and saying, no, youyou don't have to look at this from afar.
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You can take part.
These things that you're seeing are thingsthat you can actually have, I promise.
I think that's a beautiful thing,because I think a lot of us
just sit back in our chair and hold spacebetween you and me, let's say.
Yeah, if we're not giving peoplethe reins.
Right,like you're not giving up the reins.
There's just a feeling of helplessnesswill come.
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They're watching life in society.
And our timesmove and circulate around you.
If you're not giving them a sayor at least,
a space for them to say what they feel.
There's just so much untappedpotential there.
Oh, I know, and now, more than ever,of course, we're going to say that
35 years from now and now more than ever.
But as the world changes and grows
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and all of that is happening more rapidly,we have little space for,
you know, our youngstersand little space for our new ideas.
And the youth is
going to carry us on in the future.
And man, we've got to listento those those ideas, those thoughts,
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those questions.
There are so many important things.
All of us can learn from each other,no matter our age.
And and there's no dismissing it,no dismissing it.
And I feel like there'sa lot of that going on and it's not okay.
Yeah.
No, I want to addbecause I think it's so important
because I think, yes, what I dois kind of founded and led by youth.
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But I think there's also it's amazingintergenerational aspect
to us thatI don't think that should ever be lost.
Like, I think listeningto older perspectives and different,
like older generationsin even younger generations, I think
having the intergenerational perspectiveand yes, we're you led by youth, but
we also have, you know, advisorswho advise and mentor to mentor
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and ask to say,I just love your what you said,
because I think it's importantto know that
just because we're Gen Z doesn't meanlike we know everything about Gen Z.
Like it's okay to listento other perspectives and, you know, be
be aware of those perspectives as well.
That goes for the world at large.
It's youth listening to the their eldersand the other way around, and Republicans
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listening to Democratsand the other way around and,
you know, really hearing each otherand finding a place
to respect oneanother and, and grow as communities.
You guys are just so cool together.
What was happening at home?
Were you wereyou were able to develop this relationship
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where you really respect each otherand listen to each other.
Were you always like this?
I think,
I was four years older and I remember,you know, Denver's arrival
and I was just like,I don't like your four, right?
I don't know what I'm going to do next,but boy, isn't it
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so much more funwhen you're going with somebody else.
And so any way that I could includeor just be there or
but also realize that like,there are times where
I can't just leave,like I never have let me before.
Two there are going to be timeswhere you're you're confused,
you're struggling, and so just beingvery wary of one another.
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Right.
And also how we have fluid,you know, we are as people
like we're made out of water,like we're supposed to be fluid
and are supposed to moveand change and adapt.
And so being mindfulthat, you know, in our relationship
and just allowing usit has just kind of be circular with one
another,not define or or identify or term,
you know, what it has to beor who you know who we are becoming.
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I think we just gave each other
that much grace growing upand continued to do so even more nowadays.
Well, I think we love to hold spacefor each other,
even through,you know, thick and thin and just like.
And that's not to say that we don't have,
you know, our battles,but I definitely think that like it.
It's importantto listen to each other well.
And and you mentioned that fluidity,which is so true.
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And I mean, relationships are dynamic.
They're always becoming thisor that and going back to the other.
And so to, as you say, hold space ortake a deep breath and continue to love,
which that's
how we all came together in the firstplace, was we were talking about love.
And we all need to startfrom a place of love and really understand
what that is.
And I think a lot of us have an ideaof what we think love should be, and we,
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some of us, pretend to love and
and it's a treasure to really feel love
or feel like you can love,be love or love.
You two, I think, are giving peoplea place to really know that feeling
and spark it enough where it'sone of those things where you think,
(27:49):
wait a minute,wait a minute, that felt so good.
I want more of that.
How can I get there?
So that's that's so great.
I mean, you're just openingthe little doors and big doors
for a lot of people who don't havea lot of good sources and to be able
to show them that there are good sourcesthat they can get to.
(28:10):
So thank you very much.
That was work fabulously.
It was almost like gossip was swinging.
Okay. No, I was just so,
Well, thanks.
It's a box.
Like, you know,all these relationships are like,
they're boxes,but you also have a choice in, like,
how big they are or how close or how smallthey are.
Like, what it can feel look like.
(28:30):
And so I, I couldn't askfor a better teammate in the office.
We're cool now. Yeah.
I just love the whole theme of loveand how just like
it's a foundation for a lot of thingslike empathy and love.
That's a big thing about I just love love.
So I think it's just a really in forand I love this podcast.
So yeah.
Thank you.
So we're we're we'reon the same wavelength that's for sure.
(28:55):
So where do people find youif somebody is now
so curious and I'm sure plenty of us are.
Yeah.
You can check us out on Instagram at 42.
Oh you are.
You could also, you know,
that me in Denver on LinkedIn or in thein the DMs or, you know, find us.
You can never have too much connection.
And so feel freethe doors open, the windows open.
(29:17):
Also if your brand or organization
wants to work with Fourddowe love to collaborate.
That's kind of what we didn't mention
in this interview about collaborationis at the root of our organization.
So yeah, just hit us upand go to our website.
Awesome. Okay.
Well, thank you both so much.
Continue on with the fabulous stuffyou're doing.
Thank you.Thank you so much. To, you know.
(29:39):
Thank you for listening.
Come back and pay attention to these guys.
Watch them.
They're doing great thingsand it's always evolving.
Bye for now.
Hi, I'm
Cynthia Marks and I head up the HolisticPsychoanalysis Foundation,
established by my latehusband, Doctor Bernard Bail.
Welcome to and now love,
brother and sister Denver and Dylan
Humphrey have been kind enoughto break from their busy schedules
(00:27):
as co-foundersof their nonprofit organization
named Fourddoin order to spend some time with us today.
Denver is in Orlandoand Dylan is in Boston.
Their mission is to amplifythe voices of today's youth
and address pressing issuesthat affect them.
(00:50):
It's an awesome goal, and they are comingat it from all kinds of directions.
So let's hear what they have to say.
Welcome. Hi, Cynthia.
Hi, everybody.
Thank you so much. Yeah, it's.
So happy you're here.
And I know that what you're doingis fabulous.
And I really want our audienceto hear more about it.
(01:11):
And I think it's so important.
And it's not unusual for me to think this.
That people your age have a voicethat's heard,
and what is being saidor thought about is super important.
After all, we were all once your age.
If we're not your age now.
(01:31):
So it's important for peoplemy age to think back on on how strongly
we felt about things and what disturbed usand what we were afraid of,
and think about whether or notwe felt like we had a voice.
And it's importantfor us to respect that in everyone.
And we're here to helpyou talk about your audience.
(01:56):
So what is 4D? Do?
Well, what we do is our nonprofit platformthat Denver and I started six years ago.
This is your number six.
And it started off as like,
just us kind of workwith different initiatives
and things that we were passionate about.
And now a certainkind of like a nonprofit hub
for young people to help amplifyand accelerate them even further.
(02:18):
What do you do? It's,
greatorganization that was started in 2019.
We were like we little babies,and now we're a bit older little babies,
but we're kind of going to collegeand and high school and little things now.
So it's exciting.
But 42 is grown with us.
It's pretty amazingthat somewhere in there you you
(02:40):
found this motivation
or you understood that there was thisgreat need.
How did you come to that motivationor what did you see happening
where you thought,wait a minute, wait a minute,
this community isn't being heard,or we feel like
our peers are stifled
or are afraid to speakor don't have the opportunity.
(03:03):
I mean, I know you've been in situationsas intimate as family dinners
and and you've taken care to, to show us,you know,
how important it is to communicate,even in that sort of close knit situation.
What motivated you to get here?
I'd say that,
(03:23):
that motivation or I don't know, thatfeeling kind of finds you, if anything.
And I and I think it's beingin these spaces and being different people
and you're like,there's like a little gap that you can
like film, like the work that you dothat just comes so innate to you.
You just realize if you keep doing itand you work with people that you trust
and talk to young
people and be in their spacesand really meet them where they're at,
(03:44):
you find outthat that's a big part of the work itself.
You start doing it inherently.
And I also think it's like wewe started it.
I mean, we had the opportunity to performon this really large stage together.
And from therewe kind of grew like a social platform
and all of that and startedadvocating for causes and all of that.
But and I also know the importance of,you know, where is it?
(04:05):
Awareness week thought what?
How are we use that on our own platformand use that for good?
So we had a small little platformand thought, well how about we use it.
So yeah.
And I think that kind of cameabout to be 42.
And from there we were like, yeah,I think it's a nonprofit,
but also it's a club for young peoplewhere they can share their stories,
we can share ours.
(04:25):
And it's just an overall socialgood platform.
So. So you say you started this,you were on a stage and you were you two
speaking to an audienceabout something specific
or or were you part of a larger groupand you were just noticing
that the audience had
questions or a
curiosity that made you think, there'ssomething here.
(04:48):
Well, we grew up homeschooled,and a big part of that is that, like,
we didn't have social media,
and then we kind of created a jointsocial media account like we would post.
We played tennis,we sang, we swam, we did.
We did all the things that were like,this is gonna be our little camera.
We can, like, show off the thingsthat we're doing each day.
And if we can just talk about, hopefullyinspire a young person who's watching.
That was really our only goal.
(05:09):
And then as we grewand our platform expanded,
we started getting interestin different brands, organizations.
We started doing different performances.
We're just like, how can we make thisconnected with something that's important?
I mean, from there, put it,it was born realizing that this platform
could turn into an actuallike agent for change endeavor.
And I could just,you know, help facilitate that
(05:30):
and also amplify it further.
So your first recognitionthen came from your social media presence,
and you guys didn't really know that muchabout social media
firsthand because you you weren'tpaying attention to it at home.
Right?
And then you just started posting aboutyourselves and it just kind of took off,
like, here are two regular peopledoing regular things.
(05:52):
Kind of.
We were just always young kidsdoing different things.
And then we were like, let's just
this is a way that we can meet peoplealso show our story a bit more
and almost like crack open the windowa little bit, right?
Yeah, I think from a young age on thatboth been like big storytellers
and it's kind of been kind of how 42is kind of a broad looking use to kind of
(06:12):
be like Dylan and I, but it has likeevolved over time to be like this
social platform for other young peopleto share their stories and to connect.
Crazy at that ageand that you that it caught on
and that brands started to come to youlike you guys have something to say.
We made like Lego movies
and we just we were very communicative,knew the importance of communicating.
(06:33):
And then as we go on to the artsand try out different spaces,
we were like, oh, we can kind of movevery freely through that.
And, and we hope young people knowthat they can also do that.
But we also know that it's important thatwe want to share a story because quite.
Why not?
And I think that's justthe important thing that we've realized.
So yeah, we're figuring out.
Yeah.
Well, I think one of the cool thingsabout what you're doing is that I think
(06:55):
you guys are coming to social mediafrom a place of authenticity and honesty
and joy and concern and helpfulness,
and that needs a bigger, bigger,bigger presence on social media.
So that you're doing thatand you have an audience is fantastic.
Absolutely.
And when you when you do different thingsand you're in different spaces,
(07:18):
you're constantly performingor doing something right.
And so social media becomes a toolyou can utilize to further your work.
And when your audienceor the people that you choose
to serve are engaging with Fourddo,what are they doing?
What is the process?
How are they benefitingfrom their engagement with you?
Yeah, honestly, a big part that I've seenis just staying in touch like Denver.
(07:41):
And I, I know this summer.
And there was like,
you were just having a zoom callsevery day with kids from Montana,
kids from Florida Kitchen Alabama,or those from Florida, like, you name it.
We were just talking about the workthey were doing and how important it is
for it to just be interconnectand to just stay connected.
So, so an individual in Wisconsin
(08:01):
makes an appointment to talk with you,and you set up a time.
And why is he wanting to talk to you?
Is he looking for help?
In terms of
I'm really interested in painting,but I don't know where to go with that.
Or is it more a conversationabout I'm scared or I'm
unhappyor I, I don't know how to help myself.
(08:25):
I've noticed that it's oftena mix of those conversations.
Right.
And then our goal is not to specify.Right.
I think that's the whole point.
Like we can pivot between different spaces
and different conversationsbecause all these issues impact on people.
And so I also want to add, I thinkit's like we'll just love to check in
and like we love talking scheduling a callor like DMing us like we don't.
(08:47):
I think it's it's so needed to loveon each other and check in on each other.
Like the whole point is that I see you,I see you, and I think it's so important,
I think done.
I really prioritize that with Fourddolike just because, you know,
you're a part of this eventthat we had in New York doesn't mean
that you can never, like, reach out to uslike we want to stay connected with you,
(09:08):
your partner Fourddo,you know, for forever.
So so then you might have the abilityto help somebody in Boise
find an outlet in Boisethat they can become part of.
Is that right? Absolutely.
And then always keeping that lineopen. Right.
I've had the the 9 p.m.
text be like, hate doing,can I hop on a call?
I'm like, yeah, let's chat.
(09:29):
I'm just leaving the dining hall.So we walk in, I'm walking.
We can just have a conversationabout it's life stuff and you just stuff
and also just it's an additional,oh, are you okay?
Right.
Also, I think a lot of it's like resourceallocation and kind of figuring out,
you know, if you want to be involved with
this organization,we've probably worked with them.
So, you know, we'll put you in touch.
I mean, I've done easily dozens,a lot of times of just like young people
(09:52):
reaching out, I have this project,I have this initiative
period will highlight you for our socials,but we'll also give you,
you know, some tools and resourcesthat may also benefit you.
So a lot of individuals have discoveredthat they that you're a great resource.
I'm struggling with something.I don't know
where to get this information.I don't know how to get involved.
(10:13):
I shouldn't get involved. I'm too shy.
I think young people right now,we hear a lot like they got it.
Like I have it, figure it out.
But you're giving us access to roomsthat we didn't build, so we're not
sure, like, okay, this table, thank youfor the access, but what do I do next.
Right.
And so helping them understand
how to move forward and not feel alonein that process, that's a big part of it.
(10:35):
I love all I doing just said yeah.
Not alone in that process,because we've had a lot of times
of what to do or just doing.
I have had to kind of figure outhow to move forward, but like alone
or by ourselves and, you know, maybe,you know, having this thing
to do or having this initiativeand you don't know how to like progress.
So I feel like A42 or a lot of timespeople bounce off ideas or just come to us
(10:56):
with something and like,I feel like it's always difficult
because you have to almost.
I think as people, we feel likewe have to lead in
silence or kind of lead alone,and you don't have to.
I think it's important to knowyou have community in that.
You can do it together.
I don't know how you're goingto keep up with this, though.
How do you manage your own liveswhen you're
(11:17):
you must be getting contacted constantly.
Well, one thing I've noticed is thatthere's never too much connection, right?
And you can also bounce that.
Right?
Like you be very real and upfront,like what your plate can handle.
I mean, oftentimes
I've had a connection be like, hey,you know, there's this other connection
that actually lived in the same stateas you like a few blocks away from you.
(11:38):
Like, I kind of built that bridge. Right.
And then after that, it was like,okay, my back up
now there, now as I'm talkingwith each of them separately, I'm like,
okay, y'all are buildingsomething really exciting
and you kind of see that from afar.
And I love,I love the joy that come from this moment.
You're building bridges,you're setting up means of communication
with other individuals, connecting them
(12:02):
and giving them a placeto express themselves.
That's one of the big goals.
And another one is,how can we use our platform
to hidethese important initiatives? Right.
So we designed these campaigns
that are talking about,you know, shouted hunger, racial inequity
and art like an expressionlike we're using our platform as like,
here's what's going on right now
and here's how you can engageand feel involved in the movement.
(12:24):
So that was one of the major thingsthat we worked on this year, specifically
was, a campaign calledDays of Mindfulness, which took us around
several statesnationwide to spread mindfulness
and spread joy and talk about mentalhealth and well-being for youth.
And that's so great.
So, for example,
this event that took place in New York,a mindfulness event, what was that?
(12:48):
What was that like?
So a big part of that event was like,let's just stop versus
right, let's stop all the the noise,all the chaos of life and stress.
And let's just gather,you know, like physically in a space
and let's just see what, like,what we can get up to.
And so we had some young peoplewe had like expressive dance.
We had stumbles
(13:09):
like we just had a lot of movementand a lot of play, a lot of physical.
We had young people who were just onwith their exams, thinking about college.
We had they were very stressed out
and they're like, oh,I like needed this moment to just reset it
and not only reset, but see that otherpeople needed to reset as well.
Like it was just ajust a communal need for peace,
(13:30):
fostering spaces that are made just forthat is a big part of our work.
Do you feel like a lot of individualsfeel just like that?
Individuals, in a way,nobody but me is going through this.
Whatever this is.
I feel like we're all feel likewe're on like this journey by ourselves.
(13:50):
And I think it feels like
you're the only person in the boat andlike nobody else is in the boat with you.
And we kind ofjust want to open up that space
because, like,I know I saw some kids walk in
and it was just presentand they became present.
And I think that's so wonderfulto see that, you know, we all we're
connecting with each otherand just dancing and having a good time.
And it just makes me emotionalthinking about it at Fourddo
(14:12):
we want to make sure you, youth knowthat you're not alone?
We have kind of asked ourselves, like,where are the safe spaces, right?
Like where are our spacesthat are not challenging them?
You know, like not just allowing youto come in, be you and just exist, right?
Like every
space that we have in the societyis set to challenge how we function
(14:34):
and make it difficult and stressthe little things.
Right.
And so how can us, you know, Denverand I Fourddo in our work
like facilitate spacesto like prevent isolation?
I feel likeand you know more about this than I do
because you're your ageand I my age that it's hard for a lot of
(14:54):
younger people to have a voicethat's heard that home life,
whatever that is, puts them in a placewhere they do
have to operate from a place of isolationfor whatever reason.
And we come to think that that is how
everyone is,and that is how we're supposed to be,
(15:17):
and that it's probablynot okay to step outside and ask for help.
And maybe it's not okay to have a voice
because everybody's so busythey don't have time to hear you.
There's just a lot ofhow can we give young people
what they needwithout asking what they need?
And about listeningto what they might want.
(15:37):
I also think we live in a world wherewhere a lot of people lead by assumption
and kind of don't really. Yeah.
As Tom was saying, ask for youngpeople need or kind of assume
what young people need.
And I think that as youngpeople were trying to are aware
of what other young people want,but we also know it's important to ask,
what do other young people,
maybe in rural or suburbanor just different communities, need?
(15:59):
We want to make sure that we'rewe're listening to all the all voices,
especially the underrepresented voicesas well.
Our whole mission statement iswe don't subscribe to being niche.
And but we also want to make surethat we're aware of what's going on.
Because if you don't have awarenessand none of this really matters.
And when you say you don't subscribeto being niche again
(16:19):
because I'm not your age,what does that mean?
In this social media world.
You can move freely.
You can move freely,like you mentioned a little earlier,
like whether it's in civic educationor mental health or racial inequity,
or whether you're in Boston or Florida
or California, like,you have a state, right?
You can be in any of these spaces.
(16:42):
If you're a young kid in middle school,you can talk about
how you're not feeling tooand how you wish you could,
you know, speak to a therapistor find a mental health provider. Right?
That's mental health.
If you feel uncomfortablewith what's going on
in your in your environment,that's civic education, right?
You can talk and move freelythrough each of these spaces
and not feel from the get to choose oneto kind of hunker down in.
(17:02):
And also like you can do a national tour,then also make a documentary.
So it's like you don't kind ofhave to stay in your one lane
of doing things, and that you can kindof make impact in various ways.
Yeah, that makes sense in my world,it's like being a general contractor,
you know, lots of different areasand you have some expertise in each.
(17:23):
And they're all important to theto the whole.
It's nice for all of usto have a respect for civic education
and mental health and wellness.
So it's I think that you're
allowing or helping individuals understand
that all of that is importantand worthy is awesome.
(17:45):
And to do somethingwhich I think is unusual in that
I don't think a lot of ushave time for it anymore to truly listen.
So the person on the other sidefeels truly heard.
That is hard to come by.
So what do you do with your futurein this organization of yours that's
(18:06):
growing and taking up more of your timeand doing more and more fabulous things?
What's what's coming next?
Yeah, I mean, there's so many amazingthings on the horizon Fourddo.
We have like a lot of core programingthat's coming up and just innovative ideas
and coming in 2026, we have like excitingcouple projects called Four Stories,
(18:28):
which is socially conscious essaysand a couple of other,
you know, great works like the theme for2026 is like Days of Discovery,
which is kind of restorative retreatsfor young people.
We have a lot of things,
a lot of cool partnerships in the works,and just excited for young people
to just be engaged and involvedand really reach a lot more communities.
(18:49):
So I love that you've come up with this,this restorative retreat.
It sounds really greatand I'm curious to know how that works.
You can't be at all of these eventsyou're creating.
Do you set something up ingiven communities and figure out
how people can access that?
Yeah, that's the answer.
A big part of wellnessand finding yourself and expression
(19:11):
and thought discovery.
Honestly,is expanding your worldview, right?
I think we all have that momentin like the 16 to like 20
age group where you just have a weekor like a few days or just like,
I just want to change how you see things,you know,
and kind of change your outlook.
And so how can Fourddo provide thatand support young people and potentially
(19:32):
like providing a connective opportunitythat enlightens
and also likecan just widen your eyes a bit more.
And I also think like especially for thosein those rural communities, those who,
like you mentioned Idaho,like Montana and North Dakota, like spaces
that might not, might not feel likethey have access to things like this.
How can we, like, go directly to themand be like, we want you in this space,
(19:52):
other young peopleconnecting and creating things.
Yeah, but you can't be presentat all of these retreats.
You're you're developingdeveloping them in communities.
Yeah.
I think forDylan and I were very busy people.
I think we're we're going to make the timeif we can, but I think we also know
that, putting it in the hands of localcommunities and developing the framework
(20:16):
and also making sure we'rewe don't want to be that's a big thing.
Yeah. Like, you want to able to contributeto the spaces that are entering.
So like okay,you bringing people together.
What project will they make togetherin that space, that comment
on what's going on right now.
And so, I think a big part of this is we
may not be there physically,but we will be there in spirit.
I think a big part of, you know, the vibe,as young people say, is just the vibe.
(20:38):
And we want to make sure that what we do
has that vibe that I thinkcomes from our selling relationship
growing up,being conscious of one another.
And so how can we improve thatinto a physical space for young people?
That's I think, so. Well said.
I feel like a lot of what happensthat's great in life.
The experiences where we're learningor growing
trulycome from having a feeling where you say,
(21:02):
that's it.
I need to work from this feeling to create
what it is that feels good.
What about this feeling?
Do I want to really take out with me,you know, to
bring into the worldthis this is a a good thing.
This is something I want to work with.
And and that youI have this unique relationship,
(21:22):
the two of you where you as a team,you can work really well.
So much better than a lot of us can.
So thank you for that.That's unbelievable.
And I do think that you,because of that connection,
because of that feeling you have,you can see it when others come to it
and not invade their space
but help them go with it like, yeah,you got this.
(21:45):
You're on to something.
Absolutely.
And this like to touch on thatwhen you grow up
so close with a sisterand you know, there's a four year age gap.
We just did everything together really.
Like I will always approach thingswith my own approach
and then be conscious of hurts. Right.
And so I think we just needmore of that more,
(22:05):
convergent thinking,like thinking about her off
this perspective,about about something else,
or just being mindful of the otherperspectives in the room and how,
we should seek those out.
Because at the end of the day,it just makes it so much more fruitful.
Yeah.
I also think you really realize
how much sibling this isrooted in the foundation of what you do.
Like, it's just always thinkingabout the other person and kind of having
(22:27):
that like two person or just more peoplemindset, not just yourself.
And I think it's just veryI think it's really rooted in what you do,
and I really love that.
So I'm just excited for us to take thatinto 2026 and other community, you know,
rooted aspects so that we can really touchon, you know, a lot of different things.
Well, I think what you're doingis really, really fresh and new
(22:49):
and such a positive wayto use social media
and that you can use social media to kindof get to the grass roots of things
that people can't get to on their own,sort of without social media.
But you're opening a window for them
and saying, no, youyou don't have to look at this from afar.
(23:09):
You can take part.
These things that you're seeing are thingsthat you can actually have, I promise.
I think that's a beautiful thing,because I think a lot of us
just sit back in our chair and hold spacebetween you and me, let's say.
Yeah, if we're not giving peoplethe reins.
Right,like you're not giving up the reins.
There's just a feeling of helplessnesswill come.
(23:30):
They're watching life in society.
And our timesmove and circulate around you.
If you're not giving them a sayor at least,
a space for them to say what they feel.
There's just so much untappedpotential there.
Oh, I know, and now, more than ever,of course, we're going to say that
35 years from now and now more than ever.
But as the world changes and grows
(23:53):
and all of that is happening more rapidly,we have little space for,
you know, our youngstersand little space for our new ideas.
And the youth is
going to carry us on in the future.
And man, we've got to listento those those ideas, those thoughts,
(24:13):
those questions.
There are so many important things.
All of us can learn from each other,no matter our age.
And and there's no dismissing it,no dismissing it.
And I feel like there'sa lot of that going on and it's not okay.
Yeah.
No, I want to addbecause I think it's so important
because I think, yes, what I dois kind of founded and led by youth.
(24:33):
But I think there's also it's amazingintergenerational aspect
to us thatI don't think that should ever be lost.
Like, I think listeningto older perspectives and different,
like older generationsin even younger generations, I think
having the intergenerational perspectiveand yes, we're you led by youth, but
we also have, you know, advisorswho advise and mentor to mentor
(24:55):
and ask to say,I just love your what you said,
because I think it's importantto know that
just because we're Gen Z doesn't meanlike we know everything about Gen Z.
Like it's okay to listento other perspectives and, you know, be
be aware of those perspectives as well.
That goes for the world at large.
It's youth listening to the their eldersand the other way around, and Republicans
(25:16):
listening to Democratsand the other way around and,
you know, really hearing each otherand finding a place
to respect oneanother and, and grow as communities.
You guys are just so cool together.
What was happening at home?
Were you wereyou were able to develop this relationship
(25:36):
where you really respect each otherand listen to each other.
Were you always like this?
I think,
I was four years older and I remember,you know, Denver's arrival
and I was just like,I don't like your four, right?
I don't know what I'm going to do next,but boy, isn't it
(25:58):
so much more funwhen you're going with somebody else.
And so any way that I could includeor just be there or
but also realize that like,there are times where
I can't just leave,like I never have let me before.
Two there are going to be timeswhere you're you're confused,
you're struggling, and so just beingvery wary of one another.
(26:18):
Right.
And also how we have fluid,you know, we are as people
like we're made out of water,like we're supposed to be fluid
and are supposed to moveand change and adapt.
And so being mindfulthat, you know, in our relationship
and just allowing usit has just kind of be circular with one
another,not define or or identify or term,
you know, what it has to beor who you know who we are becoming.
(26:41):
I think we just gave each other
that much grace growing upand continued to do so even more nowadays.
Well, I think we love to hold spacefor each other,
even through,you know, thick and thin and just like.
And that's not to say that we don't have,
you know, our battles,but I definitely think that like it.
It's importantto listen to each other well.
And and you mentioned that fluidity,which is so true.
(27:03):
And I mean, relationships are dynamic.
They're always becoming thisor that and going back to the other.
And so to, as you say, hold space ortake a deep breath and continue to love,
which that's
how we all came together in the firstplace, was we were talking about love.
And we all need to startfrom a place of love and really understand
what that is.
And I think a lot of us have an ideaof what we think love should be, and we,
(27:28):
some of us, pretend to love and
and it's a treasure to really feel love
or feel like you can love,be love or love.
You two, I think, are giving peoplea place to really know that feeling
and spark it enough where it'sone of those things where you think,
(27:49):
wait a minute,wait a minute, that felt so good.
I want more of that.
How can I get there?
So that's that's so great.
I mean, you're just openingthe little doors and big doors
for a lot of people who don't havea lot of good sources and to be able
to show them that there are good sourcesthat they can get to.
(28:10):
So thank you very much.
That was work fabulously.
It was almost like gossip was swinging.
Okay. No, I was just so,
Well, thanks.
It's a box.
Like, you know,all these relationships are like,
they're boxes,but you also have a choice in, like,
how big they are or how close or how smallthey are.
Like, what it can feel look like.
(28:30):
And so I, I couldn't askfor a better teammate in the office.
We're cool now. Yeah.
I just love the whole theme of loveand how just like
it's a foundation for a lot of thingslike empathy and love.
That's a big thing about I just love love.
So I think it's just a really in forand I love this podcast.
So yeah.
Thank you.
So we're we're we'reon the same wavelength that's for sure.
(28:55):
So where do people find youif somebody is now
so curious and I'm sure plenty of us are.
Yeah.
You can check us out on Instagram at 42.
Oh you are.
You could also, you know,
that me in Denver on LinkedIn or in thein the DMs or, you know, find us.
You can never have too much connection.
And so feel freethe doors open, the windows open.
(29:17):
Also if your brand or organization
wants to work with Fourddowe love to collaborate.
That's kind of what we didn't mention
in this interview about collaborationis at the root of our organization.
So yeah, just hit us upand go to our website.
Awesome. Okay.
Well, thank you both so much.
Continue on with the fabulous stuffyou're doing.
Thank you.Thank you so much. To, you know.
(29:39):
Thank you for listening.
Come back and pay attention to these guys.
Watch them.
They're doing great thingsand it's always evolving.
Bye for now.
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