Episode 90 - Bill Welychka - Part 2

This week on And The Year Was 1985, we sit down with Bill Welychka—Canadian broadcast icon, music journalist, and one of the most recognizable faces from the golden era of MuchMusic.From interviewing global superstars to shaping Canadian music culture, Bill shares incredible behind-the-scenes stories from his time at Much, CHUM, and beyond. If you grew up in Canada in the 90s, this is one you don’t want to miss.🎧 Listen on Spotify, Apple & more📺 Watch right here on YouTube👍 Like, comment, and subscribe for more retro pop culture goodnessFollow us:📸 IG: @andtheyearwas1985🌐 Website: https://linktr.ee/theyearwas1985

Episode Transcript

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321. Welcome back to the show, Part
2. So what's good?
Welcome, my friend, Welcome. Back update it so much.
And Ryan and Sam, I gotta say, congratulations on the success
of your podcast. You are striking A chord, man.
You really are. Appreciated building preciate

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it. Thank you so much.
We do appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, podcasting's hard
work. I mean you, but you're part of
that too, right? You are a part of the reason why
I think people took to it as well.
I mean, you were gracious enoughto come talk to us.
You didn't have a clue who we were or what we were doing.
And you kind of you kind of liked it and, and people loved

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it. People, there was a guy here on
the radio, he really enjoyed it.He put clips of it on Rock 97.
You're here in Grand Prairie andpeople really loved it and got
people, everyone talking about it.
So thank you so much for coming on last time.
Well, what you guys are doing and what I realized with the
books released a couple of yearsago and the ensuing book tours,

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everyone that I talked to and everyone that I've met and
watching what was going on in Canada at that time with this
much music documentary with the much music stamp is people
really missed it. Missed that time missed that
period. I missed what was going on with
Canadian pop culture and talkingto a lot of people on the book
tours enough that there's a second edition now of the Happy

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has been book a Happy has been is that and you never really
know it at the time. But man, those memories are
priceless to people being exposed to new music, watching
music videos and you know, hearing that I was like a

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babysitter in some cases to somepeople.
It was just, it was. It was mind blowing and
beautiful and surprising and humbling all at the same time.
Yeah, and you, you, you, you exactly.
Yeah, you kind of help raise us right.
I mean, I've always said this before, I don't even have a
Newfoundland accent too much because I was kind of raised
them on much music and you guys.And just like it is special to

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us. So it is kind of it and it's
also special to us that we can kind of try to encapsulate that
in some sort of fashion and put it out there an hour a week.
People can kind of look back andenjoy it.
And this is what's fun, right? So all those book tours, that
nostalgic feeling, like that's kind of feeling we're trying to

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put forth through here. Well, one of the weird things,
and I sort of touched on it in the book, is the idea of a lack
of music television. I mean, people go to YouTube,
they watch concerts, you know, there's, there's stuff out
there, sure. But I was getting the past
couple of years getting emails from people or Facebook messages
saying, Oh, I saw you on a Woodstock documentary on

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Netflix. So I saw you in that Marilyn
Manson documentary or that Bon Jovi documentary or that Stone
rolls Stone Roses documentary streaming on Paramount or some,
some something. And so there is a resurgence of
music, especially documentaries,well done independent
documentaries on these streamingservices that are accessing the

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Much library, which is pretty cool because what the
documentary, Much Music documentary did a few years ago
was in the production of that. They were started, started to
digitize these old videotapes and they kept doing that.
And now these production companies are all over the
place, all over the world, accessing this library with some
priceless interviews. There's going to be 1 coming

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out. I have to go to Toronto next
weekend to do an interview on the Toronto music scene.
It's a lofty documentary that takes place from the 60s all the
way through the early 2000s. And we, of course, have all
these old videos in our library of performances with Nirvana,

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the small club, and Oasis at thesmall, the small club.
And, and it ends with Toronto Rocks, The Rolling Stones
concert in 2003 with ACDC. And so yeah, they're pillaging
the library, getting all this enough, and it's nice to see
that there's still a need in a craving for it.
Oh, I think so. I mean, we were talking last

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time like they were starting to digitize and it's awesome that
it's getting used. And I mean, it's a shame that we
still haven't seen the doc. It's much music doc and stuff.
But it's awesome because those interviews are awesome.
I don't think everybody's been exposed to them either like, say
Americans or whatever, you know what I mean?
Like, so the fact that it gets out there kind of worldwide, I
think is awesome. And then you guys are kind of on
display as well because from ourangle, we looked up to you guys

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the same way as a Casey Kasem orwhatever, you know, like that
kind of way in that in the American way, I guess, or
whatever, right? So yeah, it's awesome that
they're doing stuff with it, andit's cool to see these
documentaries coming. I agree and I'm notices this is
going to be a Motörhead documentary on Netflix and Oasis

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one, the Red Hot Chili Peppers one.
I'm really looking forward to the Motörhead and Oasis one.
Hopefully they'll again use thatpriceless library and that
building has been sold. I think they're going to make it
into a condos or something. But somewhere on some hard
drive, huge hard drive in Toronto is all these old

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interviews and it's being accessed and then that makes me
happy. But yeah, I hope my Motörhead
interviews make that special. Would make me happy.
OHT yeah, yeah. And they would be awesome to put
in there, yeah. And that that Toronto
documentary, Toronto musical documentary that you were
talking about there, like what, what, what is your biggest

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Toronto moment, musical history,historical moment that you can
think of like that? They may have, I don't wanna get
you to spoil anything for the documentary, but I mean, if you
can share your light on your, your favorite Toronto, you know,
historical musical moment. Ohhhhh my God.
Probably the first time I saw Steve Earle at the Diamond Club

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in Toronto, which became the Phoenix.
Yeah, Toronto Rocks ranks up there, you know, Tragically Hip
early performances up and down Queen St. and the Horseshoe
Tavern. I've seen a lot of gigs at the
Horseshoe Tavern, that is, it's still around, Old Blue Rodeo
performances around town when they first started out.

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You know, seeing the Cure at about 6 different venues around
Toronto over the years, that's always been cool.
Yeah, there's just so many. But probably the biggest one
that people will always rememberis the Toronto Rocks 1,
otherwise known as SARS stock. Stock.
Place right around the SARS outbreak as a way to let the

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world know Toronto's open come on down.
And it featured Rush and the Stones and ACDC and The Guess
Who and yeah, tons of bands. That was a that was a one day
all that took place. That is incredible.
Yeah, I. Forgot it was all in one day.
I think it was like a weekend thing but it was a whole day.
Crazy event because where was itheld?

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A place called Downsview Park, and they're now built, used to
be like an old decommissioned airport.
So it was huge. And now they've actually built a
new venue there I think a coupleof years ago.
And I think that's where Oasis might play this summer, maybe.
I think, I'm not sure. But yeah, Rush performed at that

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show. It was just the I think it
remains the largest single day ticketed event in music history.
Wow. You so did they ever make it
cool dock on that. That's cool.
That's gonna be amazing because I don't even remember seeing
like a DVD of that whole thing. Like I haven't seen much footage
from that. No.
There is a DVD that was releasedabout a year later.

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I don't know how long it was outfor, and we were on site the
entire two days before. We had like a little RV set up
and just set up backstage and did interviews with everyone
leading up to the big show. And then I did the great big
long interview with ACDC following.
But yeah, some of those interviews are on that DVD is

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extras, which is really cool. Oh man, I have to.
I'm gonna find that one. I.
Gotta eBay that thing. Yeah.
And you know people over the years or do you get paid for
that? Did you get paid for?
Do you get paid for residuals for those DVD sales?
Or. This Marilyn Manson dope or
whatever, it's like, no, I don'tsee a penny and that's OK.
I guess because CHUM would have owned all the rights to all

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those, all that footage, right? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. And then when CTV Bell Media
bought CHUM and those interests,of course, that library came
with that deal, right? So pretty, pretty good deal, I
think Pretty. Good deal.
Yeah, pretty good deal. I mean, just the stories alone.
I mean, who could ever say that you've been in so many of these

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documentaries and interviewing all these amazing artists,
right? It's just.
At these moments too, right? That's the other hand, that's
not just the interview. Like you guys got to partake in
some big moments like Woodstock stars, you know what I mean?
Like you guys kind of got to seeall that stuff up front and we
got to see it kind of from your eyes, right?
Yeah, Edgefest tours across Canada.

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By the way, I actually enjoying a a beer.
That's only because I see because you have one.
OHP. Yeah.
Hey, there we go. Cheers, Bill.
Cheers, cheers. Cheers, Yeah.
Cheers. Yes.
I'm only on my first how many ofyou guys?
Just first one. First one took us a while to get
set. Up one or two here.
We had to set up here before. Yeah, dude, I forgot the head of

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studio fully torn down because Ihad to set it back up before we
started, but looks good. Well, thank you.
Have you probably not too many cheers on podcasts before, no.
This would be the first one I think.
Here we. Go.
We're we're we're in original. You gotta give.
Us that I've said here before, but probably, yeah, I wasn't
drinking anything, yeah. Isn't it, isn't it funny,

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though? Last time we were talking to, we
were kind of talking about an Oasis reunion and then all of a
sudden not, it was like months later, it all kind of came to
fruition. There's.
Still a lot of people saying I'll believe it when I see it.
There's the true separate trailers, boys.
So far so good, yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, you're up first and then and then North North

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America. Yeah, we'll see.
What? That does file accounts.
They've buried the hatchet and I'm so glad.
I hope so, man. I don't know.
There's a part of me that's like, I'm probably just gonna
bite the bullet and put that thing on my credit card and just
go see it and just take it in because I don't know, I just
feel like Juncture is not going to be too many big, not even
like bands. But the concert was the show was

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the spectacle, the commotion, you know what I mean?
Like, I wanna, I wanna just be in that energy and see what it
is like. I don't know, something about
that concert has really intrigued me almost every week.
I keep looking at tickets and flights and I'm kind of like I
should probably just pull the trigger.
Hey, I think I have 3 Oasis DVD's, one live in Manchester,

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one at Wembley Arena. I forget where the other one is,
but yeah, when you see especially the Wembley Arena
footage, I don't know what the number is, like 50,000, maybe
45,000 of people jumping up and down.
And all you see are just heads in the crowd, the first, you

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know, for the entire stadium. And that's the power of music,
you know, it's the power of amazing songs.
It's the power of a great front man, and people are just
ballistic when they hear some ofthose songs.
I've been on the receiving end of that in a crowd.
Yeah, and that's the beautiful thing about music.
I don't think we have any new bands other than maybe Taylor

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Swift that are doing that to fans.
And at this point too, like I would personally consider Oasis
like a generational band, right?So someone that we grew up with
and someone that young or old can still listen to today,
right. I mean, I agree.
Yeah. It's one of those kinda last big
shows. Like you said, it's either

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you're let me have the lightningstrike right now and see them or
you might not ever do it again. Like it's one of those.
Yeah, I don't foresee them doingthat much more than what they're
doing. You know what I mean?
Like, I just don't. I just don't really.
And. It's sad.
There's a lot of I understand there's a lot of Oasis to
tractors out there. Other Beatles RIP off, other

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Rolling Stones RIP off. There are T Rex RIP off, but
they do it so well. They do it we're sort of becomes
recognizable. And then they, they take it
somewhere else and they make it their own and they do it so
well, you know, and I've been caught listening to a song.
I'm going, oh, this is a street fight, man by Rolling Stones.
No, it's not. It's it's Oasis.

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Yeah, but but to be fair though,like you can, I can almost like
hear some similarities in a lot of different music and songs and
stuff. So it's not exclusive to.
Oasis and Rolling Stone. It just happens sometimes it
does happen. And being influenced by certain
bands I think is a good thing insome ways, right?

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Like, I wouldn't wanna say just say they're a copy, but hey,
games inspired by some things and I wanna play this a certain.
Way there's only so many core, you know, I mean so many things
to do. As Robert Plant always says,
everybody Nicks it, right? And I mean Zeppelin are the
most, you know what I mean? Like they did exactly that,
which is fine. They just covered blue standards

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and that's cool. I give her.
I think Oasis is just to me, they're hilarious.
Yeah, that too. No, there is.
They don't hold back. You know, whatever is on Liam's
mind, whatever is on Noah's mind.
And they've gotten in trouble for just saying what's on their
mind. But there's, I think that's kind
of endearing. Yeah, in a weird way.

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There was a meme I just saw today.
There was a meme going around a while, something along the lines
of I forget the name of the band, but isn't it great that,
you know, in the history of the world and this small, tiny
sliver of sand in time that we are around to witness whatever

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band it was? And it's like putting that idea
into perspective. It's like, yeah, that's really
cool that we're alive to be witness to, I don't know, like a
great band. Yeah.
And then Nolan come along and said, isn't it amazing in this,
in the history of the world? We are here for the sliver of
time to see how shitty of a band.
System of a Down is. Yeah, shittiest band.

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And we are here to witness it. Ohk he's so cold blooded at
times. Yeah.
It's normal though. Yeah, I don't expect any less
like I just don't. Like there's another video I saw
the other day too of Tom Delong Blink 182 and like how he when
he ran into Noel that it was he's like, hey.
I see that. You're the best thing I've heard

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in America. He's like, oh wow, so you like
us? He's like, I never said that,
but you're the best that I've heard in America.
Right. So funny.
Right. And like he's like, wow, I'm an
Oasis fan now, right? Like he was so like so.
Funny, yeah, but that's what youexpect, right?
Here's a compliment, but it's not really.
Yeah. I remember when Oasis, maybe

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there was a second record, thirdrecord, Lars all was a huge fan
and in interviews was saying, and he had a good point.
He goes where is that swagger inrock'n'roll?
Liam Swagger might turn people off, but where is that that
cockiness? Yeah, You know, we haven't had
it in a long time. And Liam brought it back.
And he did. It so well oht yeah, because I

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think the only like other comparable would be like a Josh
Homme kind of a person, you knowwhat I mean?
And not Even so much now, but earlier.
He's kind of kind of a nice guy now or whatever, but like
before, he was kind of that guy too.
Like too cool. I'm thinking maybe Johnny Lydon
from the Sex Pistols. Yeah.
John Doyle. Maybe that's just that, that
brash arrogance. Yeah.
That's true, yeah. But I think Liam can back it up.

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He's almost like he's almost like the bad guy in wrestling
that you want to cheer for. He is, yeah.
Right. Yeah, he's like my honky tonk.
Man, my favorite wrestler. He's that awesome heel.
He's that awesome, Heels. Yeah, here.
We go, we gotta, we gotta, we had to let the dog in.
I gotta gotta crack this open here.
Sorry, Bill. Alright, making some.

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Noise making some noise I'm we didn't say we were professionals
either, Bill so. Got a pod dog happening.
God, he wants to come in. One of the ones in ones out
here. Yeah, come on.
Come on, what's? His name?
We got Nova over here. And then you'll like this one.
Mariner under the table. I'm a Chicago.

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I know, I know because you wouldprobably razzed me for being a
Toronto Toronto fan. But I think the fans deserve it.
Please get past the first round.Yes.
You guys, you guys are are. Could say please but there's no
guarantees in hockey. It's A hard Rd.
I don't know man, you guys. It's gonna be a good series.

(17:27):
I think it's gonna go seven games.
I'm not gonna say who, but I think it's gonna.
You're gonna see a lot of fighting, too.
Yeah, it's gonna be. I think the more aggressive team
is gonna win. I think if Ottawa wants to come
in and try and bully, bully him around, and if they do, then
they're gonna probably take a stranglehold on.
Partners first fight. Oh.
Wow, I'd like I'd like to see that.

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I'd. Like to see like, I don't think
he's ever had a fight. No, no, absolutely not.
No, he would never. PP Myron.
Be all over. Paul Mariner, Yeah, he's.
Going to be all over. Not going to like that too much.
Alright, there we go. We're gonna roll.
Cut this out of here. We got the distraction here.
There we go. Sorry, Bill.

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Alright. It's alright.
It's all good. It's the beauty of.
DIY beauty of Yeah DIY middle ofthe day podcasts.
Pretty much, and beauty of editing too.
That's the best part. You can just go not there.
Clip, Clip. But that's awesome.
Make yourself look sound amazing, yeah.
There's always that. Oh yeah.
That's what I did my whole career.

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As long as you're editing yourself, life is good.
Yeah, so, Bill, I can't not Obviously we have to get into
Still Alive in Kingston. Like I wanna know.
I wanna know when was the idea first born?
Like when when Jay came to you with this idea?
Like, what was his pitch for that and how did he get you?

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Were you all bored like from thestart or?
It didn't take much coaxing. There's this just to give it a
bit of contacts the this local filmmaker here in Kingston, ON,
Jay Madah read an early copy of my book and then I think he'd
like the story of just some guy who was on this national level.

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Um, doing music journalism. Found his way down to a smaller
city years later and he took some things from the book and
wrote a script and let me read it.
And it's a, it's a funny script where I, he asked me if I wanted
to play myself and I said I'm not an actor.
And he goes, well, you know what?

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We'll, we'll just get through it.
If I don't like it, we can do itover again.
And I said OK in terms of delivering a line or a
performance. And the script to me was
interesting in that it's a storyof redemption.
It's a story of reinvention. It's there's a love story in
there. And I love the fact that
there's, it was big. Like there's a big wrestling,

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couple of big wrestling scenes. There's a big scene out on a
yacht in Lake Ontario. There's a big rally at at our
City Hall with thousands of people and stuff and took about
10 months to film and. We did it and it premiered at
the Kingston Canadian Film Festival to a sold out Grand

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Theatre. And what I love best about the
film is that there's this weird parallel universe thing
happening about me. But the thread that the film it,
it showcases Kingston bands and lots of real interviews with
real performances that sort of make up the thread through the

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film. And it's all wrapped in this
fictitious parallel universe to my life where I played myself.
Really convoluted and hard to explain, but yeah, it was a
blast to do. And I got Rob Baker from the hip
involved and he said the same thing I did.
And he goes, well, I'm not an actor and I go, it's OK, you

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know, it'll be fine. He had like 4 pages of dialogue
in this one pivotal scene where he sort of offering me life
advice about how you can't look back.
And I said to the director the day before we filmed, I said
just have some cue cards held upjust in case you can have
someone hold them up behind me. Baker, man.

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He came in and he nailed like 4 1/2 pages of dialogue no
problem. The guys are professional.
Absolutely good for him. Oh.
It's just an amazing performanceand I don't know what's going to
happen. I know the director is looking
at other film festivals across Canada, but the weird thing was
I lost my job during the filmingaround the scenes where I lose

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my job in the movie. So it was like art imitating
life imitating art in the weird way.
So I think there was some scenesit was difficult to show up for
and perform because I was just, I had a lot of shit going on in
my life. Yeah.
And then yeah, we got through itand I'm very happy with it,
happy with the crew, happy with all the people in the film.

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I think something should be done.
I think he's looking into doing something with all the band
stuff because there's a lot of, it's a great showcase of a lot
of Kingston bands as well. That's cool, yeah.
I mean like you had the wilderness were in there, Yep.
And did you not have luscious inthere as well?
I know you mentioned. Them all last night.
Thanks for asking. Yeah, I love luscious.

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Yeah, they're in there. Yeah, at the screening, at the
premiere, Rob Baker was there and Paul Language showed up with
his wife, Joanne and his sister Sue.
And I, you know, I I love the guys.
I'm a big fan, but I also love the guys and they're amazing
human beings. But I was talking with Joe the

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next day, Paul's wife and I go. Did you catch Paul Lang was
cameo? She goes, he's not in the movie,
and I go, Well, not really. But when I was interviewing
Luscious at the Bathhouse, the hip studio in Bath, ON, I was
wearing a Paul Langwald band hoodie.
And you could. See it?
Nice. Little little nod to Paul being

(23:19):
in the film. Too.
Absolutely. That's cool.
That's. That's a lot, a lot of history
in Kingston and it's great that you and showcase the city and
the city's musical talent like that it that it produces.
I mean, so many bands seem to becoming from that area.
Yeah, and it's it's been like that since the 60s.
Maybe not huge bands, but it's always been a thriving music

(23:42):
scene here. I think it's because you have a
university. I think it's because you have a
couple of colleges as well. And it just it in a lot of
places to play. Lots of that's.
Key part, that is definitely a big part of it.
You know you need to get that chance to get out there and play
for people, right? Yeah, and we have venues of all

(24:03):
sizes and out here in Kingston. And there's always been a music
scene. There's always new bands to
check out as well. Like I, I didn't know this, but
until I moved to Kingston, but Brian Adams was born here.
Wow. He was born.
He was here for like here for like a week.
Born in Kingston. Ohl crazy I didn't know here.
I didn't know that. You did not know.

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Yeah, that's a cool effect. So I think he was, he was an
army brat. So was dad moved around a lot.
And his dad was positioned at a Canadian Forces base here.
And he was born here, Yeah. Right, Little, a little like
Michael J Fox. He was a little army baby and he
was born in Burnaby, BC. So not for another, you know, I
mean, it's a people don't even remember that he's a Canadian

(24:46):
sometimes. Yeah.
I knew that he was Canadian. I didn't know where he was from.
Yeah, yeah, they moved. Was born in Edmonton actually,
which is even a stranger fact. And then he moved to BC because
his dad was involved with the armed forces, so.
Yeah, we're just interesting. Yeah, Weird, weird Canadian.

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Canadian Canadian trivia just popped out of my head, but hey,
that's a. Couple of the guys from Moist
from Kingston as well, um, Hugh Dillon from the headstones.
Yeah, there's a, there's a few of them.
Yeah, well, we just interviewed a band just recently from
Kingston, Tom Crush. Yeah.

(25:27):
Well, you're around from there, yeah.
They have that area anyway and they played.
That's when they played. They played a show in Kingston
not too long ago called Yeah. So the band is called Dumb
Crush. I don't know if you've ever
heard of them there, but they'renever heard of them.
They're local Toronto ish area, greater Toronto area band and
they're doing a little tour right now.
So they they were on the podcast.

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So I figured I'd give them a shadow to you to you cuz you new
bands Canadian stuff too. So guys still shared to my
voice. Yeah, yeah, boys.
Casador is another band from Kingston that have starting to
make a lot of noise in their owntour out.
Oh, Western Canada right now. Cassandra with a K Yeah, another

(26:09):
Great Bend should check. Out on the look for that then.
Love it. Yeah.
I love trying to find new bands.Like, that's part of the fun of
music too, I think, especially in Canada.
I mean, we grew up trying to find new bands and you guys
expose it to a lot of different stuff.
And whatever about that. I like when someone says, hey,
have you heard of such and such?I like that.
I like a recommendation that's the best.
Well, that's one, You know, a lot of people say, well, the

(26:30):
Internet, YouTube killed music, killed music videos.
Well, not music videos because it's a great place to see new
music videos and also old ones. But yeah, a lot of the Internet
also exposes a lot of music to people.
Have never heard some of these bands or some of these artists
before. So yeah, Are we going to see

(26:51):
another 1000 Taylor Swifts? No, she sort of is the exception
to the rule. But bands, you know, it's not
like it used to be. Where the record company would
sign a ban, they foster them, put money into their career,
they'd go tour, hopefully sell afew more records.
But now you, you bands have to tour and have to sell merch to

(27:13):
make any money. You're not going to get it from
streams unless, again, you're Teller Swift.
Yeah. No, the streaming definitely.
Internet definitely killed the musical, the music industry in
general I think. But it's so hard.
Streaming is just not a viable thing for any is very unfair I

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think with their platform and how they pay their artists I
think. It's all they all are.
Really don't mean like to see itCEO taking a billion dollars and
then the people that he made it off of make pennies or fractions
of pennies on the dollar. I mean, yeah, it's nuts.
The amount of plays is insane. And yeah.
Well, do you remember when the eclipse came through last spring

(27:56):
in eastern Canada? Do you remember hearing about
this? There was this path that went
through North America where the eclipse had this optimal viewing
and you wouldn't be able to see it from like another 300 years
or something in these areas. And, um, I think for about a
month prior to the eclipse, Bonnie rates total eclipse of
the heart, that 80s song was being played on, you know, all

(28:19):
these radio stations and it was being streamed.
And I think it was a hit in 1983, maybe originally.
And it started getting all this airplay last year.
And about a month after the eclipse, there was a tweet from
Bonnie Tyler, the artist, and she went, thanks, Spotify, for
my check for $25 or something. It's like, yeah, how many plays

(28:44):
did that get? And it still didn't really
amount to a whole bunch. Yeah, it's like the bench.
It's sad, tall, like it's not even sensible.
And the other it works as a double edged sword I think
because you know, I mean like guy like us or whatever can just
pop out an album and it goes on Spotify and everybody can access
it and whatever. But that's cool.
But the other side of the coin is that you are technically

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competing with Taylor Swift, youknow what I mean?
That's directly now you know what I mean?
Like you're not in your genre, you're not getting played on a
specific radio stations type of thing or genre based radio
station, you know what I mean? Like it breaks up all of the
niche to a certain degree. As much as it's cool to see all
this cool art and music coming from all angles and it's all
meshing together, it did take away a little bit of the

(29:27):
opportunity and I feel like in certain ways.
Good point. Yeah.
Well, record companies when I, you know, was around in the 90s
doing music journalism, you know, Warner Music, EMI,
Universal Music, BMG, these big record companies had had offices

(29:49):
in Toronto and they employed dozens and dozens of people.
I think the big record labels now that have Toronto offices
might be in someone's basement with one or two people working
in them. That's the extent of the
business, the music business now.
Is crazy hey? Like such.
A. Steep, steep learning curve for
everybody. But I don't know.
And I mean, it goes like it goesback to Napster, you know what I

(30:11):
mean? Like, it is that Lars was right,
right? Lars was right.
Yeah. And as much as it was cool to be
a 14 year old and have access toall that music, now that I was
involved in the music industry and still try to promote
everybody that I like and whatever, it's kind of like
probably should have downloaded somebody MP threes or whatever,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel bad.
I don't feel bad. Like it exposed me to all this

(30:32):
stuff. But in the same light, now that
I'm older, like maybe I was partof the problem.
Well, I justified it myself personally by never downloading
anything that I didn't already have.
Yeah, I had some things on vinylfrom years before that I had
found. Yeah, with MP threes that, you

(30:55):
know, they weren't on CD's, but somehow someone uploaded their
vinyl to a digital format. And so yeah, I used to download
stuff that I already had, but I would also buy, I think I went
through 3 copies of Bob Seger's live album 9 Tonight.
I think I had it on vinyl, tape and then CD so it'll it'll.

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Bounce. Yeah, that is the other side.
Like technically, I mean, I didn't buy it when I was 14, but
I like a couple of years later when I got a job, then I bought
all those albums. I mean, I still have them.
I got hundreds of albums. Like they're still there, still
the same ones, you know what I mean?
Or whatever. So don't feel too bad, but it
took me a long time to get there.
That's what I love about the experience of music.

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And I think there's a whole generation or maybe even
approaching 2 generations now that don't have that experience
of, you know, cracking open a vinyl or a CD, go pouring over
the liner notes, listening to itfrom beginning to end, looking
at the photos, you know, it's not the same anymore.
No, yeah. Who is, you know, who took the

(31:57):
photos, who did the earth, who was the producer, who, you know,
I know all those things cause because you sit in your room and
turn it on and then you look in,that would be it like that, you
know, I mean, that was your experience.
It wasn't on a computer. It was in your hand on a phone.
It was way more tactile or you're getting a couple of
different pieces. I think it was a big thing.
It's a tangible thing you can actually hold in your hand that

(32:17):
you can share to somebody and give to your friend.
And do you know this information?
You know what I mean? Like it becomes way more than
just a click of your finger kindof thing, right?
Well, I don't. I just may sound like the
ramblings of an old, old man, but but I remember when music
videos first came out, that was a reaction to music videos.
There was a little bit of a, youknow, some people a dislike to

(32:39):
them because it took away from that headphone experience with
their eyes closed or staring at an album cover and creating
something in your own head. And all of a sudden, you know,
this concept music video comes out.
It's like, well, that's nothing to do with what I imagined in my
head. But yeah, it's, it's cyclical

(33:01):
and it changes and it evolves. Well, that's a kind of a feeling
that I don't think I've even gotto experience with the just
having an album or CD, vinyl, whatever, and just being in the
bedroom with the headphones. Because I did grow up with the
video. I was the video star we had.
We had the much music. We, you know what I mean?

(33:22):
That's how. We.
Got everything and yeah, we had like a little CD Walkmans and
stuff, but yeah, everything was the, everything was visual at
the time. It was the 90s.
It was in your face kind of thing, and it was.
Everything was bright and big and powerful and loud.
Caught our attention. And I mean, I agree.

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Like I would get up in the morning and I would channel 33
and then that would be where I would be the whole day.
Like that was just the station you came on locally kind of
thing. So it would be whatever time,
10:00 on a Saturday morning or whatever and wake up 33 and that
will be it wouldn't turn off anymore until I went to sleep
kind of thing or whatever, like or left the house.
But that's what it was because there were and it would be fair.

(34:04):
I didn't have access because I didn't own a CD player, only had
vinyls till I was like. Wow. 15, every 10 or something
like that. Well, there were dads and now
dad had an extensive, it wasn't like 10 records and that's all.
They had a big record collection.
So I almost didn't matter. And then you heard those on the
radio because it was classic rock that was super, super
current at the time. You know what I mean?
Of early 90s classic rock. So that was like super current.

(34:27):
So that was what I was raised on.
Like, I really didn't know much about current music until it was
like a teenager and then all of a sudden I ordered the Columbia
House special. Of course.
Can you send 10 CDs for a penny that I've never paid for?
Sorry, Columbia House. And I got those 1011 because you
get one for free. And I had to get a land of my
uncle CD player to play him the first day I got him.

(34:48):
And that was how I listened to him for the first week until we
got a communal CD player at the house.
And that was how it worked. Yeah.
But that was the and those records were records I listened
to because you guys showed it tome.
Got a thing right? Think of much wall space people
had lost because of their collections.
Yeah. Vinyl and CD's, yeah.
Yeah, we had a basement full at one point, like piles and piles

(35:09):
of records. Piles of them.
Yeah, that's where my collectionis.
Yeah, I don't know. I can't get away from.
I still, I don't buy them as crazy as I once did, but I still
buy them if I see. And it doesn't have to be
anything that great, really. Something I haven't seen before.
I'll buy that. I'll listen to whatever it is
I'll. Just November I think it was I

(35:30):
last time I went to a record store.
Yeah, I bought 3 different CD's.Yeah, yeah.
And then was that a show to see JJ Wild?
When was that? The new year might have been
late last year here in Kingston and I bought her CD from the
merch booth as well. Oh, nice, Yeah, direct payment

(35:50):
like that, Yeah, she's. Great.
She's great though, isn't she? Like JJ is.
Doing real good. Yeah, I've seen her.
Twice. Probably my new favorite artist.
I think, yeah, it's really good.Yeah, I think it's been twice
now because I seen her at the atFred's and then I seen her at
the Bonnets. That's the way to do it though,
like the Super Saiyan to buy a CD from the merch stand from the

(36:12):
artist that you're. Straight from their hand.
Isn't that the most? That's the best I think.
Yeah, I think so. It's the most.
It's very direct, right? I guess they get those.
I don't know where from the label or what, I'm not sure.
But yeah, that's the best way toget to talk to the artists,
support them by their merch, watch their show.
So yeah. Do you have any concerts?

(36:34):
You have a coming up? Anyone coming around Kingston
soon? Or ohhhhh, God, there's
something coming up. Couple things.
Nothing that. Yeah, there's something coming
up. I forget what.
My daytimer is not here. Yeah.
Daytimer. Old school.

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Oh yeah, yeah. Everything goes in my phone.
It's the same thing. If I don't write it down, I
don't remember it. I saw Tragically Hip cover band
last last weekend at the mansion.
Here. In Kingston, they're called.
There's a lot of them across Canada.
This one's called from the Hip. They're from Toronto and they
don't like the guy doesn't dressup like Gore Downey.

(37:17):
It's just a Tragically Hip, two sets of music that is faithful
to the recordings. And yeah, yeah, he does sound
like Gordon. The band is is cracked.
They're amazing. But what was cool is like the
amount of 19 year olds wearing Tragically Hip shirts in the
crowd. But we don't have The Tragically
Hip anymore. We can go see Paul Lang Wall

(37:39):
live somewhere with the Paul Langwa band.
But that was really cool to see.All these young people were
Tragically Hip shirts for a Hip cover band here in Kingston.
And you think, well, we'd be bored of the Hip.
No, no, no. People still love them all over
the place. So funny, I just saw those guys
from the hip on TikTok. They have a TikTok and they show
a bunch of their stuff and like it totally struck me.

(38:01):
Like I was glued to it. Like, he does sound exactly like
Gorge. Crazy, yeah.
It's great, though, that that even in that sense, it can kind
of expose a younger generation to this great music, right?
TikTok, of all things. Yeah, so during the day I gave
them a little tour of Kingston sites because they're also like,
huge fan. So, yeah, I took them around

(38:22):
Kingston a little bit and they had a great time.
And that's their love for Kingston.
And their love for the hip is it's evident when they take the
stage and they do the songs faithfully and they do them very
well. And yeah, I'm just glad to see
there was like, you know, some 1920 year olds there.
There were some people in their 20s and 30s, people older than

(38:45):
me, and so yeah, it was a good night and I'm glad they had a
good time. That's cool.
They must. They must probably grill you
about all your interviews and all your time like no one, Rob
and Paul. I mean, it must.
Did they meet? Them through you or or or no?
I'm, I'm, I'm OK with that. Yeah, they didn't, not too much.

(39:07):
Everything was very respectful though as well.
I think to the guys and you know, am I in a weird position
showing this Tragically Hip cover band around Kingston?
It felt weird, but I I inherently knew that the guys

(39:28):
we're cool and they're OK. So it it was, it was easy to do.
Yeah. And I mean you, you are kind of
a a little bit of a hip historian.
I mean you, you do know a lot about them and I mean, you do
know them personally. I mean that would be that I
think that could be a little bitof a business in itself, a
little bit of a Kingston Tragically Hip tour guide over

(39:52):
here. Like, come on.
I texted Baker the day before and I go, I don't know what
you're doing tomorrow night. I'll be at the mansion.
You gotta check out this hip cover band.
They're actually really good. Wow and he text me back saying
it sounds like fun. Oh I texted.
I think it would be hilarious for you to show up and give them

(40:14):
a heart attack because they. Would have, yeah.
Absolutely I would, and he texted back.
I'm going to be at the Leaf game.
Otherwise, it sounds like fun. And then there was some shots
going around on Sunday. I saw Rob Baker on the big
screen at the Toronto game. I don't know if you saw.
It I did see that, yeah, I didn't.

(40:35):
See him and Boris, his son. And I told the guys, I said, oh,
Baker says he would have loved to come, but he's gone to the
Leaf game. I said I wanted you wondering if
you guys would get a heart attack then we would have.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably shit my pants.
Yeah, that was look out singing that, singing a song and all of
a sudden he's standing in front of me.
That would have. The holy shit moment for sure.

(40:58):
Yeah, but also awesome. Like, I mean, especially in
their position. That would be sweet in a way.
I mean to be nerve wracking, I'msure, but in the same way it
would be sweet, I think. Yeah.
Here's the cool things about theguys.
I'm not speaking on any of theirbehalf, but I know I have a good
idea of what Rob might have beenthinking.
And that is I probably don't want to go because I don't want

(41:20):
to take away from these hard working guys on stage.
You know, if Rob was in that room, who knows?
The crowd that was engaged wouldhave turned around and swarmed
him, right? And so he didn't want to take
away from what the band was doing, and I respect that as
well. Yeah.
I mean, Oh yeah, there's nothing, nothing bad to say
about that. Kind of guys they are.

(41:41):
They think of everybody. And exactly, I didn't Ave.
dudes. I didn't even think of that at
first, but definitely him putting them in that position
probably would have been the best thing he wouldn't want.
And that's just how speaks to how good of a person that Rob
is. He wouldn't want to take away
from from from anyone performingright.
So. Yeah, and it's not like he can

(42:02):
just blend into the crowd. No.
He's from Baker, he's like 9 feet tall with long hair and a
beard. Yeah, it looks just like Rob
Baker. Like there's unmistakable human
that's so funny. Yeah, no, it's good.
Like so I, I don't mean to, to to back trail on the on the

(42:22):
movie thing, but I, I mean, I wanna, I wanna look like hear a
little bit like you did get to do some action, right.
You were doing some action wrestling scenes, right.
And yeah, everything was good there.
No one got hurt. No one got.
I fell off the top rope. I've been in the ring a few
times. I think we talked about this
before, but I want you to go. I went to go do an undertaker

(42:43):
rope walk going old school and the top rope wasn't tight.
OK. So I didn't, I didn't know that
was for the filming. I took one step and the rope was
doing this, so I thought, well, I'd made it this far.
I took another step, took another step and then the rope
started doing this and it flung me out of the ring onto the

(43:05):
floor. Luckily I didn't break my neck,
but I did climb back into the ring and I managed to finish,
finish the match. But yeah, that's in the credits.
That's that was during production.
Hey, I didn't realize that at the time because we had, we had
spoke about that before, but I didn't realize it was in
production of the film. And there's a big match coming

(43:28):
up with some legends here in Kingston in May with Chinlock
Wrestling. Anybody in the area who's a
wrestling fan, it's a must event, must see, a must attend
event. It's going to be at Fort Henry,
this big old Fort, and there's some legends that are coming in.
I got asked to be part of the Royal Rumble and Amanda will not

(43:51):
let me. Oh no.
I've hurt myself a few times in the ring.
So I think that's. It my wrestling boots are hung
up, that's it. I mean, they could just put you
in at #2 and then have. You it at #3 Yeah, clicking.
Clicking yeah or just keep just keep running around the.

(44:13):
Ring. High fiving.
People. That's right.
Now that would be right on neverreally getting eliminated.
OK, I'm in that's. That's it.
Yeah, Just do that. Just do that.
Shake hands, kiss babies. That'd be worth it too, yeah.
That would be worth it. Maybe if I have to get in the
ring I'll just throw myself overthe top rope.
Just eliminate myself before someone else can.

(44:33):
We've yeah, because we've all seen those celebrity WWE run in,
say, and the Royal Rumble, Pete Rose one.
Time. You had all these celebrities
and stuff. It's.
Over speed got smashed this year.
If I seen that that was her, that was a her two hard smacks
at Rotech locally, yeah. What was the world record?
I think it's like one second in the Royal Rumble.

(44:55):
Yeah, I don't know who has. I can't.
Remember Canadian guy? I forget his name but got into
the ring and was immediately eliminated by Kane one second.
Was that 2 feet in 2? Feet.
Santina Marella or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Yes, Santino. He's he's great.
He's in TNA wrestling right now.Have that.

(45:16):
I've I've seen. That they have partnership with
the WWE as well. That's with Next and they.
Yeah, yeah. So that's great.
I think that's awesome too. Yeah, wrestling is coming back
around and start getting hot, starting to get a little hot
again now I think, I feel like, but I think it ties back into
what we're talking about. That was huge in the 90s
Attitude era was humongous, you know what I mean?

(45:38):
Now we're at the 20 year gap, 30year gap kind of thing, right?
That's the way I look at it is like what my mom said, like when
she was 35 to 40, we were kind of doing stuff that they did and
dressed in similar listen to music.
And I think we're 40 now. So like we're at that point
again, we're it recycles a little bit before it moves to
the next thing. And I think that's where we're
at, right? So I think wrestling, I think

(45:59):
wrestling become the fact that I'm rewatching it again now I'm
watching it again. I think it was like, get me?
Hooked. I interviewed The Rock live on
much and you did is still here. He looks exactly the same.
The guy does not age. It's amazing.
And he's better. He's got like 200 lbs on since
he was rocking. Big.
He's a big boy. Huge and.
So like are they cool too to like just talk off camera too

(46:21):
and stuff like that? Most artists, yeah.
I remember before the Rock interview, we were in the makeup
room and I was asking about his dad because I was a huge fan of
his dad in the 80s. Yeah, Rocky Johnson.
And when he'd come to Toronto, it was an N.W.A territory, so he
wore a mask as sweet Ebony Diamond and I was.

(46:43):
Asking about that. Damn, that's cool.
Asking about his dad. And yeah, we had a long talk
about that. But in the green room, I said to
him and probably going to end the interview off with asking
for a typical rock insult. And he goes, you know, he goes
your last port. I go, yeah, he goes, OK, I got
something for you. And so we did this great

(47:04):
interview this live on March, took answers from the people in
attendance. And at the end I said, before we
wrap this up, Rock, I want you to lay into me.
He goes, that's I forgot. But he said now he goes that's
easy and brawny, like you wearing that $2.00 sweater.
I'd like to take that microphoneyou like talking into so much.

(47:25):
Shine that son of a bitch thing that's Shine that son of a bitch
up and turn it sideways and stick them straight up your.
Cat, yeah, but he just. Did it?
Had that ready to roll well. Good point, $2.00 sweater.
So I remember just laughing and thinking, saying thanks man,

(47:46):
that was great. What do you do with laugh?
Like that's the best thing that could ever happen to you,
Getting insulted by the Rock, especially with a straight up
your candy ass, right. That's the best of all of them,
really. That was the best.
That's so funny. I think we've played that on the
podcast a couple times somewherealong the way.
Early episodes are pretty sure because I found it really funny.
Like that part, right, gives youone because he's really in

(48:07):
character. Like it's really good.
It was really funny. Yeah.
Yeah. Super.
Good. I remember one of the girls we
were taking live questions and this one girl had a microphone
and I go, I'll rock. This girl has a question for
you. And he and he looked over.
He goes, hey, baby, what's what's your name?
She goes, I'm he goes, it doesn't matter what your name.
No. How somebody he'll rock was

(48:30):
nuts. He'll rock was nuts.
Like 2 funny, way too funny. That's the best that was
possibly. On the audience.
The audience. Is eating it right up.
Oh, I wouldn't know what I woulddo in that moment.
Like, holy cow. Yeah, that was that was a big
moment, man. That was like Austin the rock,
rock heel moment, right? Like that was so big, so big.
That's just another thing about much music.
They had this everybody stars from every walk of life in

(48:53):
anyone who was doing something. I mean, you guys had Chris
Jericho in there too as well, right?
I'm I've interviewed. Oh God, the heartbreak kid,
Brett Hart, the rock, A number of interviews and actors.

(49:15):
Like we had Harrison Ford come through and Mel Gibson and yeah,
lots of actors come through. Besides music.
That was a cool thing about it, is it represented pop culture
right, with music being the angle?
Right, a little X-Files action, right?
You're a fan of The X-Files built?
Huge fan. Yeah, we had William B Davis,
Smoking Man on Yeah. Yeah, I love Xbox 2.

(49:38):
Xbox is like one of my favorite shows of all time.
Possibly my favorite show of alltime even.
Definitely. Are they bringing back one more
season? That was the best.
That's the word I heard. I don't know if it's official
necessarily. I did hear it on the Internet,
of course, but OK, it seemed legit.
I'll put it that way. I won't say anything on behalf
of anybody necessarily, but it seemed legit at the time.
When I read it, it seemed very legit.

(49:59):
I believe it comes out next yearI want to say or end of this
year some type of? Thing this year, then?
Yeah. So it's.
Probably like October Gillian Anderson clip recently from
something. She's still the most beautiful
woman in the world, I think, besides Amanda.
She's listening besides Amanda I.
Think she's most beautiful womanin the world too.

(50:21):
So. There you go.
Yeah, that was a huge Jillian fan, too.
I'm not gonna lie. I had a couple posters on the
wall that was a big fan. Yeah, big fan.
I was an X-Files fan, too, Which, there we go.
So perfect combination. And I think it's a little bit to
do with the streaming popularitybecause so many people rewatch
this stuff on Disney Plus and stuff.
Maybe they kind of got a little bit of a like, hey, this stuff

(50:43):
is still putting up good numbershere, let's just remake you.
Would have totally make sense. Yeah, because every season ends
with nothing definite, you know,so you could carry on for one
more season. Knows it's very cool.
I remember reading an interview with Chris Carter, the creator
of The X-Files, and did he wrotea lot of the episodes.

(51:06):
He was at some function somewhere and an actual FBI
agent went up to him and said, how do you know so much?
Creepy. Who you talking to?
You know, and it's like it's creepy and gone.
No, I love the story arc throughout The X-Files through
it was in nine seasons. Yeah, they had a monster of the
week episode every now and then,but this convoluted storyline

(51:29):
was amazing. I thought it went on a little
bit too long, I think, but yeah,it was a groundbreaking series.
Yeah, it's hard to know when to end it right.
Sometimes people end too early. Sometimes people hold on too
long. And does it in the subject
matter is endless. That's kind of part of the deal,
like, you know, I mean, because you still don't know kind of

(51:49):
thing, you know, you don't know all of it or well what I mean or
whatever. So are you actually like, are
you a big proprietor of the things that go on in X-Files?
Is that your, do you investigatethose things on your own or is
it just mostly? I'm not really a conspiracy
theorist. Nothing like that.
Does the government know stuff? I have no idea.
I know that if I was somehow thepresident of the US, my first

(52:14):
day off, my first day off, I'd be like, where's the room that
has all the secrets? You know, I'd just be, you know,
I just wanna know. That'd be so cool.
I need to. Yeah.
And no president has ever, you know, just said tribals,
anything. Yeah, probably.
I was sworn to secrecy. If they are Privy to it.

(52:34):
He knows. But.
Yeah, I would need a little tourof Area 51 ASAP.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna see something.
Show me something, whatever. You don't have to show me the
coolest stuff because I don't know if I necessarily want to
know that because that's probably too crazy.
But show me somewhere in the middle and we'll start there
kind of thing, see how crazy it actually is, and I'd like to see

(52:55):
it. Recovered UFO crashes and then
they're reverse engineering how they work and stuff and I don't
know, who knows? I think what's more fascinating
is what's underneath the water that rather than the sky, I
think that's going to be the thenew frontier to explore of all
the, I don't know what the crazypercentage is, but we have like

(53:17):
25% of the oceans of whatever this living in the ocean, we
only know about 25 or 30% of what's down there or something.
Like we haven't really like huge, yeah, we've sent robots
and things down or whatever, butlike nobody goes to the deepest
depths where it's dark, dark, dark and it's just robots.
And I mean like, we're not supposed to be in the water.

(53:37):
So how do you do it? You know what I mean?
So yeah, no, I agree. I think that to be fair, I do
believe that it is probably the next big thing cuz I mean, like
Katy Perry went to space 2 days ago or whatever, you know what I
mean? Right.
Just kidding. So much black.
Was over. OK, what's your thoughts on all
that nonsense? Let's hear it.

(53:58):
OHS well, I don't know again, the exact figure of what the the
environmental footprint on the thousands of liters of fuel that
were used. I know it was, it's like
astronomical sent someone to space, what's doing to the
environment And then for her to be, you know, only like 200

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miles, is it 200 miles above? Space or something.
You're just in orbit kind of thing.
You're not really, you know whatI mean?
You're not out there floating around.
Just crack the surface and then came.
Back yeah, you're. Just gone for like 11 minutes or
something. And she was saying, Oh my God,
you got a different perspective looking down on the earth.
It's it's, it's our mother. And it's like, well, do you
realize what you just did to, you know, like your are your

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carbon footprint, you know, And then, yeah.
Jillian Liters of jet fuel burned.
To kind of talk to us, like to all the regular folks like
you're some profound amazing astronaut.
Now all of a sudden it's just like talking on here one second.
There's actual astronauts who doreal things up there who don't

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get nearly as much as the coverage right, so.
Those poor people that were. There for months at a time.
She was up there for like 30 seconds.
They were floating around. Although that looks like fun,
I'd I'd love to experience 0 gravity.
I'd like to try that one. It would be fun.
That would be fun, Yeah. I'd like to try to because you
can do the plane ride thing where they bring you just above

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the atmosphere and then drop it and then you kind of rolled
around for two minutes or whatever and then they just keep
doing this or whatever. So that would be interesting.
But I mean, obviously that's not$5, you know, I mean, that's
that's an expensive adventure, I'm sure.
But yeah, no, it was when I first heard it was like all her
back at this again, sending celebrities into celebrities
into space. What kind of food is already

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going to talk about when they get back now, right?
Like I kind of got kind of. Chat with William Shatner.
Yeah, I think that made sense ona weird level, but yeah.
Definitely had a good story to. 91 year old William Shatner gets
shot in space. So crazy.
Just the reaction to like that Gale lady, she's like, well, you

(56:09):
go to space. It's like I'm trying to pay my
heat and. Light over.
Here like just. Relax.
Have you bought groceries recently?
Do you even know how much? This is it's just that out of
touch with reality. The most of the people are kind
of just getting by and then to Idon't know, people don't want to

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be spoken down, talk down to, you know, in no, in any sense.
I mean, no matter. Who it is.
So yeah, it's and it's a, it's aI have nightmares watching news
feed sometimes going on, seeing what's going on around the world
and what's happening with our neighbors to the South who were
our dearest friends for decades.Yeah, You know, World's

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Strongest partners in terms of two countries.
And, you know, one guy had threemonths just obliterated all
that. And, you know, the booing during
the national anthem in hockey games, I'm not a huge fan of
because that can get misconstrued as booing a
country. I think they're booing politics.
There might be booing and organization and administration,

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but not for the most part, the people.
Yeah. And I've been to the US long
enough and I have a lot of friends there that I don't look
at them as anything but friends.And yeah, one guy I can one
organization or like I said, an administration can just blow all
that up. It's it's very sad, very

(57:38):
disheartening. I hope things change.
I hope things improve, yeah. I hope so.
I mean, and it's making it toughfor everybody.
Like, you know, everybody saying, well, you know, the
farmers grocery, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever.
But it's like, man, what about artists that would take their
stuff to America? You know, that's where their
bread and butter is now. It's extra, everything's extra
to do that now, right? It really does impact everything

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and unfortunate way and just take out of our control over.
But it's, yeah, it's an odd space to be in, upsetting, you
know, we've come, however many, you know, 100 years of
partnership, everything's been fine.
And suddenly someone comes alongand now, you know, everything
costs more. Nobody's now.

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It's kind of like this is the new enemy.
And it doesn't really need to bethat way.
Not in agreement, no. Yeah, like the economy, tourism,
that you're going to have a hugechunk bitten out of that, and
all over the world, one person should not have that much.
Power. No, no, it's crazy what what
went on there that quick like itis, and it's unfortunate because

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it wasn't and it's, you know, wedon't vote for it or whatever,
but you know, everybody kind of seen it coming in a certain way.
And then all of a sudden it camefast and strong and it was a bit
more than what was anticipated. Kind of threw a few things off.
But I mean, who knows what the end result will be.
You know what I mean? In the end, it could be good, it
could be bad to one side of it. It is uniting our country, which

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I think is cool because I think we haven't had that in a while.
Well said. COVID kind of through a loop in
the whole kind of made us fight against each other in lots of
ways. And it's kind of as weird as it
is, it's a way to kind of bring us back together in a strange
way, but not circumstances you want, but you know, and maybe
this is an opportunity for things that you have to knows,

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right? Who knows?
Yeah, well, luckily we got the hockey for the next few weeks
to. Good hockey, good hockey.
Coming occupy our time and attention.
Like I said, I'm a Toronto fan so I only got 7 games.
Left you only got 5 maybe? I got 7.
Game 5 or 6. Left make it a good seven game

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burner. Break my heart.
For Toronto's number this season, though.
Didn't. Yeah, they're open 3 versus
Ottawa. That's true.
They're Owen three. Break my heart.
What do you think about the Hawks this year?
My friend? As a fellow Hawks fan, I have
to. I have to ask.
Well, a couple of the new guys that got really started coming
on late in the season, Yeah. The Dart can find his stride for

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next season. I think it's gonna be a good
year next year. I think so too, Yeah.
They picked up a couple of new young guys.
Don't have to be next year to year after it depends on age
limits and whatever. But yeah, I mean, it's a
rebuild. We're in a rebuild build.
That's where we are. I feel bad for Gerd.
I do feel bad for Petard, that poor little, because he's nice.
He just turned 19 this year, right?

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So I mean, imagine the pressure he must feel, but like, what a
great rookie year, amazing rookie year and just couldn't.
Yeah, I think. He's still great.
I think he's still is going to be a generational player.
But yeah, just a little blip in his sophomore year.
Yeah, he'll get better, though. A lot of people do kind of have
a fumble year, you know, winningtheir 2nd to 4th year, right?

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There's always somewhere in between.
Seems like everybody has a little trouble on one year.
He's young. There's tons of like tons of
pressure. He is the only, you know, name
kind of being floating around from Chicago up until the end of
the year kind of thing really, you know.
Imagine having an entire franchise built around you.
I wouldn't want that pressure. Not at 1800%, not no, not at 18
and not in that world. I mean, like, you know, it's

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constant. Somebody's constantly looking
at, you know what I mean? Like the media, The Chicago
media, The Chicago. Sports team media, you know?
Yeah. Yeah, exactly right.
Like, I mean, it's a huge hockeytown.
Everybody loves the heart, you know what I mean?
Is that type of thing too, It's not like, you know, whatever
some random kind of hockey town or whatever, it's a big hockey
town. There's tons of history.

(01:01:36):
It's a whole thing. Yeah.
I don't know. I mean, kudos to him.
He's doing a good job. You can see the frustration on
his face a few times this year or whatever.
But yeah, would I be frustrated?Probably.
You know, probably I'm supposed.To be I gotta ask for before we
wrap things up. What?
Why is there a shoe there? This is a Chad Muska 1990s

(01:01:58):
reissue Skate You so. Yeah, skate shoes.
OK, and who's the hockey player?OHS, you got here in the corner.
Doug Gilmour up here. OK, what jerseys you wearing?
Is that a leaf jersey? Ohe yeah, that's a craft

(01:02:18):
autograph. Doug Gilmore.
A little plaque, Doug. Gilmore from Kingston.
That's true Doug, he's a butt too.
I'm not a lease fan, but Doug isa Butte I like.
That yeah, the killer, yeah, he's he's an all timer.
And to think that the Matthews and all these guys, I mean, they
have tons more points and all these like Matthews and Marner
are like top five leaves all thetime already.

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Yeah, that's true. That's and you think of it.
That's sad. That's a sad stat to think of
100. Was it Darryl Sittler in the top
with the top for a player to get100 points in a season in the
top ten of Toronto's history? It's like the same names.
It's Doug Gilmour, Darryl Sittler.

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I think Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner now has joined that
club. Yeah, yeah.
It's crazy how like such a long history team had very the
leading obviously Matt Sundeen, he doesn't even have 1000 points
for the team, right? So it's not even going to be
1000 points, you know, these guys.
And if Marner resigns, I hope that he will be the all time

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leading point getter for the Leafs and he will be hometown
boy. Crazy.
That's nuts actually nothing good and I think Matthews has 20
ish goals to be the all time leading goal scorer for the
Toronto Maple. Leaf and he's taking the on pace
for OV. Yeah, he could.
Technically, if he, if he stays on pace, which whatever, he

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could potentially beat Ovi by one goal at the same point.
Yeah, he'd be a goal ahead at that same date or whatever way
they registered them. Hey, I was hoping Gretzky would
have signed a one day contract with some team after Ovie broke
the record. That would have been sick,
actually. Just progressing to come back
for one game and hopefully scorea couple goals and get the

(01:04:10):
record back because I thought itwould be nice.
I do remember seeing those memes.
It's like Wayne Gretzky is only one goal behind Alexander
Ovechkin for the lead. Yeah, he's only one goal behind.
Come on, Greg. 'S so funny, yeah.
So awesome, So awesome. Yeah, yeah.
As he showed right. Yes, as he should, but I mean,
kudos over too. He's a beast tank.

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He's a tank that. Guy, I didn't think it was gonna
happen, but it. Happened.
I didn't think so either, but hebroke his leg this year.
Yeah, he broke his language here.
It's crazy. And Gretzky was there at all the
games, waiting for him to to do it.
Yeah, yeah. Came in, big hug, big shake.
Good for him. He's a class act.
I don't care what anyone says. I think Gretzky is a class act.

(01:04:51):
I think so. I mean, people can.
Do very, very, very unfairly, I think.
Yeah, I mean, people say the Trump thing or whatever, but I
mean whatever, you know what I mean?
In terms of hockey wise. What excellent spokesperson for
however many years has been at this point.
You know what I mean? 40 odd years or whatever it is
at this. Juncture I think people were
giving him grief over not wearing red at the Four Nations.
Take it easy man, he's just a dude.

(01:05:13):
Come on, he's just down. Maybe he didn't have a red tie
or something, I don't know, Likecome.
On Don't Piss off hockey fans. Yeah, man, don't we talk about
Wayne like that? For OHP, well.
Billy, my friends. I gotta wrap it up.
It's been great, buddy. We wrap it up great.
It's been a pleasure again. You guys take care, keep doing

(01:05:34):
what you're doing. I know in the new in the second
edition of a happy has been I end it by talking about the book
tours and all the interviews I did and just how important that
you maintain doing what you're doing.
Just keep on doing it, man. It's so important and so thank
you for doing what you guys do. Hey man, we're amazing.

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We appreciate your support. We appreciate your kind words.
That's great. We love all your.
We love like we're always pulling up your YouTube, we're
always pulling up your interviews.
We always reminisce, we always look back.
I can't wait to read the second edition of your book, Still
Alive in Kingston. If, if it ever.
I hope people get a chance to see it.

(01:06:19):
Yeah, 100%. I can't wait to see it.
Personally, I'm gonna do whatever I can to make sure that
it happens. Jay Medal, he's on, he's on
Instagram. There's a website still alive in
Kingston. Just bug them.
Say, when can we see this? Film.
Let me see this film. I might bug him.
Maybe we can get him on here. We can talk to him about it and
we can we can harass him to There we go to release this film

(01:06:43):
for us. Here we go.
Take him on it, yeah. Absolutely.
Thank you so much, Bill. Thank you.
Bill. Really appreciate it.
Cheers guys. Too.
Well, cheers to you, enjoy. Your night believes.
They said that. Thank you.
Go, Blackhawk. Let's go.
That's right. See you guys.
Cheers, buddy. Thank you so much.
Thank you.