Episode 93 - Ryan Gilliland - Vol : 3 - And The Year Was 1985 - The Podcast

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321. Learn something, take them away.
That's how this began, for sure.Getting those plateaus, getting
to those areas where we just trysomething hard.
Yeah. Yeah.
New genres of music. I mean, I was recorded.
I wanted to learn the rock'n'roll shuffle to the end.
You know, my end goal was to have the what's the the classic

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part from Toto and Rosanna, right?
Like the Rosanna shuffle. Yeah.
So I thought on my pursuit of oflearning the shuffle, I thought
at the end of that rainbow is going to be me playing that.
But then I realized, like, you kind of have to keep learning in
all directions in order to stay on that path at all.
Like you can't just take one path I think.

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There we go, give him a little taste.
Can you play this so I play withtwo hands?
As weird as that might sound. I played as basically like
instead of doing because it's, it's a snare shuffle, right?
Yeah, just a basic waltz shufflekind of thing.
More or less just out of time, but I play it on 2.
Like I play it on two hands cause I just play the accent as

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if it was accenting on the drum kind of thing.
I was playing like a role. It's the only way I can really
do it though. I can't play it one hand.
I just can't. Like cannot.
It's too have a good wrist to play that.
It's too much. I can play like I can play it
along until it gets to the firstlittle after this and then I'm
like, I'm done from here. Like I don't have enough
dexterity anymore to even keep up with this anymore.

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Like. That's the other thing, just to
practice. Who is the drummer?
Jeff. Picaro isn't that.
Yes, that is on this original. So do you like, do you take
influence and mostly classical rock or do you like you have any
like kind of recent drummers that you kind of kind of bite
into? Nothing recent.
Definitely classic rock. A lot of just putting on the
radio and putting my headphones on.

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And then if a song, yeah, playing along to a song, unless
it's Foo Fighters Everlong, in which case I don't burn my arms
out for 4 minutes and 20 secondstrying to keep up.
I've I've learned most of it until we get to the course and
in some of those fills and stuff, I'm just, I don't even
care that much. I just feel like we have to do
it as rock drummers. That's that's.
Kind of like an Echelon thing, yes.

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That is 1 hell of a fucking rocksong to play on drums.
It goes the whole time. It goes the whole time.
I can play like this one thing like I find now recently I've
taken drums more, so I haven't really played guitar on this
really technical. I play it, but not practice
play, but drums of like, now I'mgetting to the point where I can
play like 25 songs. What about stopping kind of

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thing, like maybe sip of water or whatever, but like I'm
getting good dexterity now. But it depends on the songs,
right? Like I've kind of got like a set
list of 50 songs I play along to.
So now I've got a tolerance to those, but you throw me
something different. It won't.
Like I can't play punk rock songs.
I can play a couple in a row, but like after two I'm talking
with that. Like that's 5-7 minutes of holy.
Shit, right. I mean, that's a whole, that

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whole another genre that. That's a whole different story.
It's like. You have to totally different
like animals. Same thing on.
Guitar. Different species of drummer.
It's like. Different species of everything.
That's one thing I find punk is like to be really punk, like
really punk. To sound really punk, like old
school skate punk, you kinda gotta play that way.
Like that's a specific way styleof playing that your instrument,

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guitar, bass, everything is very, it's specific is not
really because it's very wide genre, but there is a very
specific thing that I don't playthat way.
Like I'm not a punk rock player in any way really.
I could play along to it, but don't play it, you know what I
mean? Even guitar.
I don't play punk music. Yeah, certainly Me neither.
Not a not a punk rock guitar player.
Yeah, no. That's the greatest trick in

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Rock'n'roll, I think. Is convincing people that the
stuff somehow easy or yeah. Yeah, I like record stuff.
I like Canadian punk, like Gob Rob is one of my all time
favorite punk bands and like love it.
Like and but not, it's not my kind of go to.
I'm more yeah, it's more classicrock style, kind of like that's

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just how I grew up, right? So that's just what I would like
to emulate on guitar, right? That's the sound that I'd like
to present. But I also like newer, obviously
newer, I guess like Foo Fighters, not really newer, but
like, you know, I mean, like, yeah, absolutely.
Like stuff that is considered classic rock now that we grew up
with 20 and 30 years ago. But.

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Yeah, well, they're influenced by classic rock alive,
especially Taylor Hawkins. You know all.
His into the Max. Clean.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or Sister Christian, he was one of his favorites and this is
song I associate him with most over everything else is the
sister Christian. Do you know that one where the
motor is and what's your and because there's a video of him

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on YouTube playing it and singing it at the same time and
it's so cool. And more than any Foo fighter
song or anything else he's ever played on, I'm like, this is
this is the Taylor Hawkins I love because that's that's his
passion and his like the true him.
That's what he loves you. Know.
Nate Ranger. Night Ranger.
Yeah, they've always, I didn't think about that.

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I love like Foo Fighter shows are the best.
I don't know if you've ever seenthem, but like they've always
throw in cover songs, right? Like always good cover songs
like Under Pressure, but David Bowie and Freddie and Freddie
Mercury, like that. He does a great cover that does.
I agree. So you saw him with Taylor?
Yes, twice. Twice.

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Yeah see I have a strange dilemma with this whole thing
now, cause as much as I love Taylor, yeah Josh Freese is
technically my favorite drummer.He's the best.
So it's a weird like I would be excited to see fighters
regardless, but would have been 16 with Taylor but.
One of the times was the break aleg tour, so he was actually had
the broken leg in the throne. Basic Dave.

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Yeah, which was kind of cool. Let's rock history.
It's rare that a tour these daysis something that you can mark
in history and look back and saythat was a moment in history,
you know? And that's one of them.
You could say, I saw that, I wasthere.
I I think about it right here. What a build up.
Oh, it's like big old intro. Jumpers for flight.

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It's one thing, man. Classic rock vocals, hard to
beat it, man. Big falsettos and all that
harmony and all that goodness. Like, hard to beat that.
Good, good to sing along. Good.
Good good sing along stuff for sure.
Good sing alongs. Good deep deep cut here.
Yeah, couple deep. Deep cut from Ryan Gee, we got
on the pod in the studio, back again, third time, welcome back

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and the year was 1985 in the studio rig.
Great to see you guys, Ryan and Sam in the flesh.
Very. Questions dude.
I'm happy to be here, glad to have you back.
Have me back. Anytime, my friend, anytime at
all. Third, third.
Go around now. Yeah.
Is this a that A record? I believe you are the.

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Owner only only. Only and the owner of the record
of third time appearance. Mean Bill will be fighting it
out, yeah. OK, we gotta have Bill back next
week. Will wait till he finds out he's
#2 he's gonna say. Who?
Wait a minute. Does he have a book?
Does he have a book? I got a book and a movie.

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Oh wow. Yeah, book and a movie.
But everyone has a book. Everyone has a story.
Everybody has a story, right? That's why we're here.
That's right, all our stories are told by now.
And episode 90. 90. 490. Four.
Wow, Congrats. Any big plans for the 100 I'm

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sure you're thinking? About it, we haven't really put
anything down, but you got stuffon our mind.
I don't know. I don't know.
You're not gonna say a thing about it, though.
Yeah, we're just gonna put it out.
Until that Wednesday rolls around and we'll have.
Episode 100 out for you. Crazy holy.
Man, really cool, accomplished. 100 weeks technically two

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straight years, 100 and fours 2 years straight and.
How would you describe the experience so far in 2 words?
2 words, yeah. Holy shit.
I would say pretty awesome. Pretty awesome.
Yeah, I would say that too. Yeah, for sure.
No, from the perspective of, I don't want to say like I

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started, I'm awesome, but like, you know, I mean that I put the
first episode that got the ball,yeah, I kicked off or whatever.
So I don't know man. Like from the beginning, from
where it is now, from the beginning till the awesome,
because it started as one whole different idea and now we're
here and it's been super, super fun last two years.
Like the people that we've got talked to, even yourself got to

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meet, you don't meet in the flesh.
We know each other inside of us now for awhile and whatever.
So yeah, it's just awesome. Like the fact that you can start
something and if you keep following through, even if it's
like people think it's always 100% every week because it's not
real. As long as you show up every
day, it's a key. Eventually cool shit will happen
and you might not be world famous and this and that,
whatever, but you'll do cool shit and you'll eventually get

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it to a point where you're very satisfied with what you're
doing. That's why I kind of way I look
at it now, it's been a super positive thing, not just in my
personal life but just in general.
Creative outlet, yeah, yeah. Full changes your whole outlook
on stuff kind of thing like we were kind of talking about
earlier before the pod kind of thing.
But it does, it changes your kind of worldview, as weird as

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broad as that might sound. But it does do a certain group,
because now you realize that these people that you looked up
to, as much as you still can look up to him, there's still
just people, which almost makes it more endearing and almost.
Cooler. In a way like it's, yeah, I
don't know, it's interesting. Like the fact that, like, Steve
Bay reaches out to us and we reach out to him once every
couple weeks, months or whateverit is, like, sick.
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we're talking stuff
like that. Cool, hot, hot heat.

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Hot heat. Yeah.
Mounties. Mounties.
I saw Mounties once. Workman.
Yeah, Hoxley. And, and who's the guy from
anyway? They were at the radio station I
worked at in Edmonton, and they came in and played an acoustic
show on their first tour. Yes.
It was 4 Canadian rock legends, modern legends, all in a row for
mountains jamming together. Yeah.
There was like 10 of us just sitting on the floor and

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watching them. And they're using Shaker Eggs.
And he brought in all these coolsynths and all his weird rare
instruments and stuff. And it just felt like you were
really brought in on a true creative project and like
meeting people who, you know, are just artsy and, and lifelong
artists, which is so interesting, you know.
Oh, it was amazing. Those those experiences was an
Edmonton for about 5 years and those experiences were still

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compact. It all happened in a little
short span, but you end up meeting, yeah, all these
musicians and I don't know, it just it does change the way you
see things. It's such high volume though,
you don't get to appreciate it really.
Yeah, I know what you mean theretoo.
Yeah, You kind of got people coming in and out, you know,
rapid fire throughout the week. You know, you're not really
sure. You can't really kind of settle
down and kind of. But it's almost like when you go

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see a concert, like you don't, you almost don't really take it
in while you're there. You're just trying to experience
it. Like I'm one of those people.
I don't have my phone up all thetime.
Yes, I take a few pictures and Itake a couple snaps and videos,
whatever, but I don't have it upthe whole time.
Yeah. I wanna be there to see and feel
kind of thing. Right.
Yeah. So kind of if it's almost like
that, it's almost like when you get home the next day, you wake
up, you have your breakfast, you're like, holy shit.

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Yeah, that was sick. Like when he's sicker almost
today that it was last night. When you get it was super fun.
And then the next day it's like,holy shit, that was sick, right?
Like you have two different almost views of it all of a
sudden those things. And without it too, there's
something missing that's the other side.
It's like it sounds like I'm complaining almost.
But the thrill of of game day orthe thrill of having a show if

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you play in a band or the thrillof a big interviews coming up in
those moments where you have conversations with yourself,
you're not as loose as you'd like to be.
The relief of it all afterwards.You know, that to me is amazing.
Especially I used to play music live and I'll never forget show
days. It was like these these days
matter like these, these are these are where I'm actually
living. I remember a feeling of being

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like we're alive right now because this is something you
can't do when you're dead. And it really was so powerful to
me, and I do miss that. Me too.
I agree. I agree.
I I don't know if it was like Christmas everyday to me.
Like it's weird. Like that's how I felt about it.
Like that's the truth. Like I loved playing to people
like everybody. And I mean I didn't do it enough
about it. My 30 year career and whatever,

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whatever, but you know what I mean it, I don't know, like I
can't imagine being like, I'm sosick of doing this.
I can't imagine saying that. I know it must be daunting after
30-40 years of doing that. But yeah, man, I don't know.
It was like Christmas like you get like for me it was like, OK,
you don't really sleep tonight before and you get up a little
early, even earlier than you want it even like I'll stay in

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bed till like 10. It'll be fun.
But you never do. You're up at like 8 like waiting
and you're like, hey, I gotta get a good breakfast or I gotta
do whatever you're getting fair.Like that whole day is an
experience like it is. And then, you know, maybe we got
sound check at 5 or whatever, and then do that.
Now it's kind of like now it's getting a bit more real.
Yeah. And you have a beer or whatever,
and then it's like, OK, and you hear a few people coming in the

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door. Now it starts to get on.
And now it's like, I found it was like, now it's getting
exciting. Now it's really on kind of
thing. Like I'm getting more excited at
the louder room gets the more people around.
I like that kind of thing. And then when you get on the
stage and things are going rightand people are dancing like,
man, it's the funniest thing. I don't think anyone's ever
world danced at my shows but. Even if they're, you know,

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whatever, like it's just like, it's the but even if they're
ever you can tell everybody having a good time, regardless
of what it is, you know what I mean?
Like everybody has their environment or whatever.
But when you can tell everybody enjoyed the show and you're
putting, you feel like you're putting on a good show and like
you're well rehearsed and you know your bits and yes, there's
going to be mistakes, but they're not as big.
Think they're kind of flubs hereand there.
Nobody even notices. It's like the best, like there's

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no better feeling than being in front of a bunch of people and
seeing them be entertained. I love that.
You guys both play music, you'veplayed shows.
Not really, no. I've never.
Not in a serious band. No, I've never had a serious, I
don't think. High school sideshows, but not
to like. Still counts in front of
anybody. But but that pressure, like, I

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mean, if it's something you're passionate about, yeah, that
that feeling, that nervousness, that excitement that you feel
before you for a show, like you said, you can't sleep.
And but that's what makes it worth it in the end.
Like you said, looking back, like all I had, all that
nervousness, all that I performed, I was under pressure
and performed, had a good time. Everyone had a good time.

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Then you look back and it's like, Oh yeah, that was a good
experience. Like no one was dancing at your
show. So what?
What were you playing and where?What do you remember about your?
Specifically, I'm in a dive bar in Edmonton across from Nate
called The Blind Duck. And we were going to school
there at the time and there was a bunch of people from the

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class, the graduating class or the new, some people from the
college came over anyway, and they're all drinking and stuff.
And we're in like a bad punk rock band.
And our goal was to play in a shitty punk rock band that's
sort of reminiscent of early Blink 182, like Blue Buddha era,
you know, pre damn it and all that kind of stuff.
And we succeeded in being a shitty punk rock band, but we,

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we, we pushed, basically pushed into a band faster than we ever
learned our instruments and we learned together in the jam
space. So instead of sitting with the
metronome, I'm sitting here watching them play the guitar.
And I go, yeah, that's the riff.And then now I'm for the first
time ever, I'm attempting to play drums to his RIP.
And together for years, we figured it out to a degree that
we ended up playing for 40 or 50shows.

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But I never really figured out how to make people dance, you
know, so we'd be at shows and they'd be like heckling.
And there would be, I remember one guy we said like, hey, this
is a cover of Mandy. Like, do I don't even know who
does Mandy? Tom Jones or something?
And and we started playing the guys like, no, it's not.
It's like, you know what, you'reright.

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We this is like, but, but no onewas dancing.
People had a blast. People were drinking.
I think the energy we gave off, it didn't matter almost what
musically we were doing because there was something going on and
we were just a party in our own end.
You know, we were just energy runaway train.
No one in the room has any reason to, to think about
themselves or anything in in an ill way because there's just

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chaos going on. Like we we created a stir which
was fun. What happened?
What happened to the band he just disbanded after?
You know what? College or no, you know what?
Happened to the band. We kept playing and we attracted
some really talented people thatcould help us figure out how to
write songs and people who played an actual bands before
and they knew how to record and they knew how to do all these

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instruments. And we we started getting bigger
and bigger shows without any demos, without any proof that we
could play. Largely because I was associated
with the radio station in town. We had some pull plus we had
some charismatic people in the band and no one questioned
whether we can play or not. So the shows get bigger.
Love it. We get on some bills at like
Starlight room. We get on some bills and oh man,

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I'm telling you and the the craziest 1 and this is the this
is the dagger in the end of the band was we got on a show
opening for ubiquitous synergy seeker, right USS at union hall
in Edmonton was sold out and we were opening and that's the day
I was like, this is going to change my life forever.
Whatever happens, this is insane.

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I'm going to come out a new man.I'm going to be proud because
this is a quite an accomplishment.
No matter who you are, what bandyou're in, somehow you got the
green light. Yeah, it's hard to get this.
You have to, you know, so we didthe show.
I sound check came and our wholeband was energy.
It was like when it's go time, we go and that's that's the only

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way. And then when they said that,
they said could you guys want toplay for sound check?
I was like, what's in my mind? I'm like, it's not go time, so
I'm not going to do it because, you know, these guys don't get
to see us, you know, go. Balls out.
Yeah, we're not doing it. We don't get sound check.
We can't do it for a. Sound check.
I need 100% of my energy for theshow.
I can't do it twice, you know? So I tell the guy like, hey man,

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just usually in the jam space wejust crank the guitars as loud
as possible. Crank.
It and that's it and that's how it really is yeah.
So we tell them just crank the guitars and that's good enough
for me. And he's like alright, the other
guy sound checked and I was likealright, cool.
So I walk away. We were totally chilled.
The place is packed. My family is there, all my
coworkers are there. I invited all my best friends

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from high school. They got tickets and you know,
it was a it was a very exclusiveevent and eventually went down
to play the show. And as soon as the opening riff
came on my my guitar player guy comes out and he plays.
It's a little short. It's a punk rock band, right?
Little short. Reflect.
I forget what it is. And I supposed to come in on
some off time, but I don't know how to count.

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So I don't. I don't know.
I just know the feeling, like inthe jam space, I know when we
come in. Yeah, Yeah.
But in this case, the guitar forsome reason was really loud,
because that's what I asked. For you asked for it which?
Caught me off it got really loud.
So, but it also felt like it waspanned up to the left.
So I heard this little like I'm like looking over, like, what's

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that? That's the guitar.
Then like my opening goes past. So I just come in with runs at
some point near the opening. Yeah.
And we start playing. And it was the whole time I felt
like I was trying to catch up tothe song.
The guys in the band never turned in a jam space.
They're all facing you, and theymight be 3 or 4 feet away.
In this case, they're 10 feet over there, 20 feet over there,

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and they're rocking out like they're Foo Fighters and.
You can't see the guitar, you can't see their.
Can't see nothing. I don't know what's going on.
Anymore and they can't look at me to say, is everything OK?
Are you, are you like usually there's some you gotta know,
like we don't have a drum tech is your is your by anything
wrong? Like you kind of need that
communication. And I wanted their sport anyway.

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We blew it. Like absolutely.
I've never seen another band do what we did that night, which is
just absolutely, you know, be the worst live thing anyone's
ever seen. People appreciated it because
they don't get to see a bombing like that quite often.
And but so there was a moment inthe show where I'm sitting there

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trying to play along and I couldfeel my soul ripping out of my
body and wanting to leave the room.
And I felt it. And I was like, almost, you just
almost want to cry and run out of the room.
And I had this moment where I would feel that pole and I was
like, no, I'm settled in this. I'm fine.
And I, I was able to ride it out.
But that was a very real moment.Where I had to say it was this
is this the moment you go running out the door in front of

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everybody? This is so close.
Like, I had no idea that I wouldpotentially put myself in that
kind of a situation. Yeah, it's funny how it works.
Like you catch yourself on that.Yeah, I've been there.
I've played some horrible things, like it's just yeah,
100%. But The thing is, if that's the
worst and what you know. What I mean, like you got to
play the Starlight Room and union hall in Edmonton.

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Think of like just the fact alone that you could just say
that I hear you. Like no one could ever take that
away from you for one. But that's fucking epic.
How many people who've been on that stage and fucking plate
killed in there. Like you got to be up there too.
Like I'm proud and sometimes youalways think you're doing worse
then then you are. Like, yeah, like I mean, I'm

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sure like, you know, I mean, it probably wasn't as bad as you
remember, but you know what I mean?
If it didn't go well, I mean, the experience there alone is
worth, it's priceless so. You need.
That I wish. I wish I could have.
That you gotta have a bit of it's worked to have awesome
needs, but it's also a wicked tohave some bombs, even if you

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feel like it's the worst I've ever bombed.
But you do need that, because then.
You pushes you to practice. Right.
Like never. Mind, I need to take two steps
forward. I need to actually.
Yeah, I got it. Let's look at this.
Again, right. It's a litmus test.
And you know what, That's exactly what I took from it.
I either said, I said to myself,this is either kills you or this
is the thing that makes you intothe guy that you wanted to be.
And and that's what ended up we went back to the jam space.

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I knew were not there because some part of you could ask
yourself, if we were just in front of a huge audience, would
we blow the roof off? You know, I don't know because
it's worked before. We played Wonder Bar in Edmonton
and you know, people liked it and it was all these different
things. But yeah, that so we blow it.
I know where I'm at. Very difficult to to dye that

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death in front of everybody. But there's no hiding it
anymore. Sometimes you like to pretend
like I got this or you keep up appearances.
There's no room for appearances.Everybody knows.
So the we we didn't quit. Then I went and we played
another show, worked our butts off and played pawn shop in in
Edmonton and played us as GOB funny enough.
And we're talking about earlier,but it was Halloween night.

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We played a set as God music. It was way better than what we
did before because I worked so hard on it.
But then I quit because I knew that I was not going to get
enough time to practice to get to where I wanted to be.
And we were keep booking bigger and bigger shows because now
we're saying, hey, we played this show, we just did Starlight
Room or opening for USS. So then I quit and then I

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started to really just say, OK, I'm going to, for the first time
ever, put on a metronome and I'mgoing to sit back.
I'm going to open The Beatles book that I got the first day I
bought a drum kit and I'm going to start practicing for real.
And now I get into this mode where all I do is practice and
I'm like, it's never going to beenough.
And I just go and I go and I go and I'm like, you know, I have

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to be there someday. And if I keep going, I have to
be. There's no way.
Cause I know we're all capable of it.
So, so in some way it's just beating that voice that says
like, you're the one uniquely not capable.
You know what I mean? Which I think a lot of us
sometimes believe about ourselves.
Of course it's not true. And now I'm just on this insane
mission. You.
Know and that was turned me intoa drum machine.

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That's how it goes. That's the reality of it, man.
We still have to get that tour in of the Route 37 facilities.
Yeah, you got the drum kit over there still.
Yeah, yeah, we got it in the studio.
Bring over a couple of stringed instruments.
We'll have a little. Well, yeah, I don't even need to
do that, but I can just take a look around and have.

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I like stuff. I'm looking at the gear.
One, I like having musicians around play drums in front of
me, even if they're not musicians, because I learned so
much. Even if it's someone's first
time on the kit there, there, it's like, I always see
something and I'm like, oh, I got to do that.
That's so obvious. And I don't do that.
Or that's it. That's cool.
And I do it even if it's a professional band.

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And I'm like, oh wow, I've neveronce did that.
Yeah, yeah, man, yeah. Percent, everybody feels it
different rate like every instruments like that, like
everybody's like I wanna sound anything.
This is another thing I hate when people like, I wanna sound
like Jimmy Page or whatever, theguy of the thing, whoever,
whatever the guy of the instrument is.
You know what I mean? Right.
Like, yeah, it's like, dude, like, no, you don't.
Like it's cool to wanna like. Cool to.

(24:45):
Like the thing that you like about it, but then apply it,
right? So that's what I like about kind
of stealing stuff from people islike, I've never thought about
that. I think that's why I like the
genre change when I find a plateau or find them stuck
because it's like, oh, it's something I would never do.
Like if I listen to like Cuban music, I'm never gonna do like

(25:07):
fucking 13-6 or whatever nonsense they're doing over
there, you know? I mean, like, I'm never gonna do
that. But if I listen, I might.
And even if I only steal a little bit, it's just a little
bit, right? And sometimes you notice it,
like you'll play a lick along with something or whatever.
You'll feel it different. And you're like, oh, I stole
that quick. And you'll move along.
Like, yeah, I do have that now. Like it's in the repertoire kind

(25:28):
of thing, but. You don't want, you don't wanna
ever wanna follow down the same path of you know.
What I mean not into like steal your sound guy.
I don't like that. But you know what I mean, if you
were only, like you said, a rockguy or metal, metal guy, you can
listen to something like Cuban music or whatever and kind of
take an influence from that and then apply it somewhere else,
right? And that's how you create an

(25:49):
original sound. You kind of have a little,
little spice of everything, right?
Stealing. You don't want to just be a John
Bonham. You don't want to just be, you
know, I mean, Chad Smith or whoever.
You wanna just take a little something from everyone?
Yeah, take all the things you like and make it your.
Thing, but it's gotta be in the you know, it's gotta be it's
you. You are the you are the vessel.

(26:11):
You're the one playing it right?So.
Conduit for the thing. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that makes sense. Some people are copies and some
people get away with that and some people make a living doing
that stuff that someone else didand.
Yeah, there's that. But new metal, Whole new metal
thing, Yeah. Interesting the second time

(26:31):
around, but I could see why. I could see why they like it
though, because it's it's it's fun.
Just like New Metal was. It's not doesn't take itself so
serious. Now it doesn't know.
At the time, it was like everybody's, yeah, you know,
John Davis. Everybody wanted to be John.
Davis That issues album was likea serious thing to contend with.
When you're in high school, you're like, I would listen to
all the corn, but when it came to Issues, I was like, this is

(26:52):
heavy. This is for somebody who's
really got issues. Like, for real?
Yeah, man. I mean, in that band has had
some serious sneaky stuff going through.
Like, I mean, John Davis lost his wife and his kid like 2 year
span or something like that. And I mean, they're all had
their own little pockets of problems along the way and
whatever else, but man, yeah, just crazy.
Like, yeah, the band has gone through a lot of money.

(27:14):
Doesn't feel he doesn't play with them anymore.
Then monkey left right and foundJesus came back and they still
that was I think. Brian Head Welch.
Or head. Yeah, Head.
Yeah, I read the book. Yeah, Head.
Yeah, yeah. I was like, whoa, like what is
going on? But you know what I mean?
Like in the context of everything, like what's going
on, this is nuts. Like one guy is like over here
finding Jesus, you got one guys over here like addicted to stuff

(27:37):
and just leaving the band. And this is craziness.
That band was like new metal wasn't nut seen in the 90s, like
nearly 2000, whatever you want to say.
Like it was bananas and corn waslike one of the leaders, like
Limp Bizkit, you know what I mean?
Eating that, but it was different at the time.
It was super different technically.
Like nobody wasn't nobody playedthis very same instruments.
Like they was all down tuned. It was all 7 stringy, low tuned

(28:01):
bass heavy, Yeah, maybe even hip-hop involved and maybe you
know what I mean. Like head is weird, strange.
It was culmination of a bunch ofstuff, right?
It was super new. Yeah, that was an interesting
Were you, were you into the new metal thing or were you just
straight up punk rock and all the way down?
I was definitely into the early Warp tour scene, like I went to
Warp tour 3 or 4 years in a row and picked up on all these

(28:23):
different bands and I loved it. But new metal was my other
thing. I was always wearing a Mudvayne
T-shirt, Slipknot T-shirts. Corn was never my thing.
I felt like they were a little darker or there were some really
serious people at my school who kind of put claimed on corn and
it felt like it was just their territory and not mine.
And but when Mudvayne came out, I just remember, Yeah, loving

(28:44):
every single lyric on LD50. And then whatever came after
that and Slipknot and who else was in that time?
Fear Factory I still. POD to DoD.
DoD Youth of a nation, Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Yeah. That was an interesting time
because it was stretched everything like, I mean you had
like early incubus. So like if anybody hasn't heard

(29:07):
fungus amongus or science or what's the other one before
that? Is the green something green?
Different shade of green. That's not science.
There's three before it becomes popular and then when like
Pardon Me and all that stuff kind of breaks, there's two
albums back-to-back cause it's Pardon Me that whatever album
that is and Morning View came out like in the same year.

(29:28):
But the ones before that are super different.
Like funk metal. Like they played on the first
couple of Family Values tours and stuff.
Like they were a new metal band.Now they're like an adult
contemporary band. Like have you seen any of the
new concerts or any new stuff that I do?
I mean, it's good. Like it is good.
Definitely not old Incubus in any fashion, but.
I appreciate that about a band. I love when a band can evolve,

(29:50):
right? Some bands stay down the same
lane and and find their groove, and that's fine.
Like I like someone who can. They're different now,
obviously. Yeah, they were.
They were real funky. And they they have the DJ
scratch and. Stuff and they still.
Had they still have that but. It's a bit more vibey now than
it is more. Crow left of the murder was a
different sound then. And they also lost their clients

(30:10):
then too, Like they're when Derek Lance parted the band bass
player, that changed a lot of the like the sound of the band
kind of thing because they got the dude from the roots he was
now. And now they got this lady bass
player. She's sick, actually.
Yeah, she's plays in between both of those, almost like she
got a little Derek Lance got a little bit of this guy in there.
So it's like perfect kind of thing.

(30:31):
But it changed the whole vibe onthat one.
That's where I kind of fell off of Incubus.
I don't know. It was OK, it was good, but I
didn't get really into it. Now that I'm older and I'm calm
down, I kind of like the new IT gives gonna be fair about it.
But yeah, it's fun. But there are different.
They're interesting band. Experimental for sure, but then
that scene, I remember all the girls in school really loving
Brandon Boyd. That was a bit of an issue for

(30:51):
me because, like, I'm a real male in the flesh, and there's
this random guy on TV. I'm like, yeah, this guy's the
only guy that interests you. Like, how is this fair?
You know? It's not even real.
He's just a TV guy. Yeah, but that was always the
case in high school, man. Nice.
The heart throbs go up on both sides, right?
There's the girls we fall in love with on the TV and they got
theirs. So yeah, I found it like the day

(31:12):
that I knew it went too far was the day that the popular kind of
girls were watching porn videos and saying that they're hot.
And I was like, all right, we'redone here.
I'm done with that. It's like kind of put that away
for a bit, but. You didn't get braids and was
like wearing Adidas jumpsuit. Well, it kind of like was like
the opposite effect. I was like, wow, yeah, I don't

(31:32):
know if I can like this anymore that way at the time, because at
that time I was like, I'm. Not yeah, that's one thing I'm
not. Like I don't care what I've
done. I don't care what anyone else
likes. If I like it, I like it.
If someone else is into it, I'm not gonna be like, well, I'm not
gonna like that anymore. It is what it is, right?
If music makes you feel something, if music makes you

(31:54):
move, if music makes you, you know, love it.
I'm all for it. I'm not a I'm not a, you know,
like you said, the, the corn kids and you're like, I don't
want to go there, but fuck it, man, if you like.
You like it, I think. What's a way of identity, I
guess, And you're looking for you're like your knee.
You're trying to find your identity at that age.
I guess I get that. Right, I felt like 2 like Blink

(32:17):
182 was a band I got a lot into in those days.
And then I remember at some point, though, I became like a
new wave of Blink 182 fan. And it's like they ran away with
the fandom and they sort of tookthe, the you know, the title of,
of being the Blink fan. And you know, even though you
spent all those nights with those songs, like after school
and all these things are like soinvested deeply into your life

(32:38):
and you leaned on them and you you found out the world through
them and all these different ways.
And it just seems like someone came along and suddenly they ran
away with that. Yeah.
The baton you're. Yeah, I know what you mean.
I know exactly. I get it when, yeah, like when
when a band you love and it kindof grows beyond you and then
everyone loves it, it doesn't feel like it's yours anymore.
I get, I get that feeling, but it's like.

(32:59):
Shouldn't it be right, The leader of you guys and I?
Yeah, I knew of you two years ago.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've used calling pocket bands.
I always have a pocket band, right?
Like somebody I knew I had always had bands that were like,
no, I know, very unlikely anybody else is gonna know what
his name if I bust this out and it always do that.

(33:19):
But then as soon as advocate band became popular, like, oh,
never mind. Yeah, move on right now.
On the radio, and like I said, some songs can be overplayed to
death. Right.
And become the banger. I'm responsible for killing tons
of songs, my like playlist on Spotify, right?
My overplaying them myself, right?

(33:41):
Overplay it. You just don't wanna hear it
anymore. Like there's going on to the
next thing, right? Yeah, there's the ADHD effect.
Yes, listen to this 1000 times and less. 1000 shots of dopamine
here I'll get real quick. Like, because that's the whole
thing too, right? Get on to something now.
You're on to just song anyway. Yeah.
What are you listening to now? That's a good question.

(34:05):
I listened to a little the same artist a lot over and over
again. Like this guy Billy Joe Shaver,
you know, he's he's the guy thatwrote wailing up.
He's the guy that wrote Waylon Jennings honky tonk heroes
record, which is nuts, right, because that's a really classic
honky-tonk record. But yeah, he's he was actually

(34:25):
best friends with Norm McDonald in in the later years of Norms
life. So if you watch one of the later
podcasts of Norm Billy Joe's on there and they get along like
best friends and they both endedup dying within a couple years
of one another. But really, yeah, here we go,
Georgia on a fast train. Food good, dude, Yeah.
Yeah, Honky tonk artist from Waco, TX.

(34:47):
He was in the. Here we go.
So good actually. Not a big country but like.
All. Me neither.
I like that. I love this though he.
Actually, this is the kind of country I like.
That's what I should say. I guess technically is what I
should say about this. It's just so real.
It's the craft and it's from like the heart of.
Texas, and I know they're all standing around.

(35:08):
You know what I mean? Like that's the difference I
think is like, I know like this big production country shit or
whatever, it's like I know this is bit by bit, piece by piece or
whatever, and I know these dudesare just stand around microphone
letting her fuck. Yeah, that's awesome.
And they're mad players, always mad.
Played the info in their fingertips.
You know, I can't even imagine the littlest things make all
these differences, the nuances that that create this sound in

(35:28):
the. Chicken picken thing like.
And his son is the guitar playerin the band.
His son actually died of a heroin overdose, like while in
the band. And it was the craziest thing
cause he trained his son to playguitar and they went on tour and
he became a legendary guitar player himself.
Really. And then he died.
Yeah. But man, Billy Joe Shaver
listened to. But man, for music, I kind of

(35:49):
just fell into a trap of watching like YouTube videos of
this is of, of people talking about podcasts.
Like I don't even listen to podcasts anymore.
I'll go on YouTube cringe and I'll watch people.
Do I do that too Podcast cringe and.
Like all this like bad like. Too lazy to try the other one.

(36:10):
Crazy bad ones or whatever, likeall the weird awkward moments
and shit. Like that, yeah, beige
frequency. But the problem is I've watched
so many where they make fun of people for like, you know, being
idiots or misspeaking. It's so unhealthy to strip
someone down and it's so funny. But if you're also someone who's
like trying to be a broadcaster,you have to, you can't think
about yourself. So like critically introverted

(36:31):
all the time like that. And when you see someone else
gets destroyed, it really makes you like what that.
Yes, because there's lots of material out there that could
potentially destroy me. Oh, I'm sure that we could get
destroyed on that, no sweat. Not, I mean not in any like
really bad way, but like you could, someone could make a
video like look at this guy. He's a terrible podcast.

(36:52):
Well, if they. What does he do?
Just drink beer all day. Well, The thing is, is like it's
all about how you clip it together, right, Like you only
need to pick out the weird little pieces in between
thoughts, almost like you don't even need to really try too
hard. There is like when I'm watching
ladies back, like I see all kinds of funny stuff, right?
So it's only just like snip thatlittle peas and then this little
awkward peas and this awkward piece.
And you find how they all kind of go back together again.

(37:13):
You make it into this like awkward 15 second clip or
whatever. And now you got something weird,
right? So yeah, it's it is funny, but
it is tearing people apart on the Internet.
It's like it's different if we're sitting in the room as a
podcast and we're ripping each other.
Yeah. But ripping in the chair?
Ripping in there and I find it really hard to watch it on the
other end even sometimes I'll bewatching kill Tony.

(37:33):
Like man, this is too much. Like dudes take it easy.
I just versus like holy shit. Like I feel bad almost.
Like when David Lucas. Got too far?
There was that heavy girl, right?
There's a classic clip of David I.
I hate that guy. Yeah, I I hate David Lucas.
Yeah, I'm with you. I just despise him.
Yeah, but you know what though? He got what he deserves.
And I do believe the Internet will get you.

(37:55):
And I do think you can't get away with anything forever.
Yeah, Lucas is getting it. Matan lit him up to Harlan
Williams. Destroyed him.
You know what? Harlan Williams is one of the
highlights of the modern Internet.
Right now, dude, he's the best. Yeah, Harlan Highway, I could
put it on and feel great. And he brings the best out of
guests. And he's such a true comic.

(38:17):
And I know you keep hearing it, but like, the mechanism that
makes some funny is this silliness that it.
It's just so fun. It's just unbelievable.
He's special and it's the resultof hard work and a lifetime of
craft, and I love it. He's really taking the torch.
You hate to say it for Norm though.
Like with Norm gone, he filled that hole and I'm like, I didn't
know this was gonna happen. I thought it would just be life

(38:37):
without Norm. I didn't know someone else would
come along and show you something different.
You know what? I.
Mean, yeah. And I mean, even like on other
people's podcasts, he elevates that podcast.
Like even on Rogan he elevated that.
There was, you know what I mean?Jokes are just flying over.
Rogan. Yeah, the whole time.
And then he has the full runningjoke right to the end.
Like, you know what I mean? It's like the perfect.

(38:58):
Dude I love a good running. Super funny and people don't
realize either he's written and directed a bunch of Hollywood
because it was super successful and like, not comedies, like
just whatever scripts and stuff.Like yeah, he's fucking
incredible man. I'm always been a fan, but since
I've watched this part, I've watched other people's pods.
Way bigger fan and way more appreciate what he's up to.

(39:20):
Like he's got that running norm.Like it's like norm is all these
people that kind of come from that era kind of got this
running gag all the time. Like everything's a gag.
Like. I love it.
I fucking love it, but it's him at the same time.
You can tell that's how he is. Like if you were sitting and
shooting shit, it kinda be like that.
If we had a little less jokey, but probably not.
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, Harlan's the man.
The man. I agree.

(39:41):
Rocket Man, you remember that? Man.
Yeah, man. Yeah, makes you want to rewatch
it. Was he wrong?
He wrote that like he wrote thatmoving directly.
Why do you start in it? That's a weird one for him.
I mean, didn't he's like a smutty comedian at times and
suddenly he's Rocket Man? Was it funny?
Super funny. Yeah.
It was like it was a Disney. I don't know but.
Whatever. It was an early 90s comedy.
Movies like kids, PG film or whatever.

(40:04):
Puts on a metal helmet. In this goofy guy to the moon or
Mars or whatever and he's. You know, yeah, because somebody
else wrote the script and then he rewrote it or like wrote it
as they were going along. Like, well, why wouldn't you
just do this? Like this is really like a giant
janky scene or whatever. Like you could make this really
funny. Like why don't we try this?

(40:25):
And then it turned into this like super movie or whatever.
Like, it did really well and whatever, whatever, But he's the
man. He's the best scene ever.
Pull, pull over. No, it's a cardigan, but thanks
for asking. And he's like, and he's a cop
and dumb and Dumber, right? Like that's.
Right, he's like that. You're drinking.
A few were Dad's bird brewskis are.

(40:46):
Yeah. He's like, yeah.
He's like, no, no, no, he's just.
Like. Passed out over here.
Yeah. You remember that?
That's the best scene ever, man.Yeah.
We watched that show many times over.
Get the hell out of here. Like he drinks the piss.
Yeah, just like, get the hell outta here.
He calls what pumpkin pie haircut?
Freaky. It's shut up if you knew what

(41:09):
was good. For you, it's your launched him
into like Hollywood because he was on just for laughs and stuff
before. There's a lot of Canadian
comedians where I'm like, oh, this is a Canadian guy and
that's a Canadian sensibility and this is what our comics are
like. They're not as grand or maybe as
big or maybe they won't be as famous, but they're they're just
our guys. So that's OK.
Then you see him there and he becomes this all time classic

(41:31):
character and in one of the mostclassic scenes in film history.
Yeah, and it's still the same guy.
He's just like Harlan. Yeah, Harlan's wicked, man.
Yeah, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan.
Bigger fan now than ever. But yeah, big fan, yeah.
He's Canadian comedy. Canadian comedy, remember?
Like so like, yeah, like Steven speaking on that.
It's growing up was like just for laughs was like a big deal.

(41:54):
Like we had a comedy station, our own comedy stage.
Like anybody remember all these things?
Like, Oh yeah. Like that was so cool.
And I think like now that comedyis kind of come around, it's
become big again. Like it reminds me of those.
And I don't even know if it was bigger, just we had access to it
was more almost the idea. But it was like really felt
really big at the time. And now it feels like it's on
that route again, like we're allcoming back to that.

(42:14):
Yeah. I love it.
Like I think it's awesome because you guys, all everybody
partakes in Tony and all the, all the things that surround all
those things. I was early on Kill Tony years
ago and then I quit in more recent years which is funny
cause suddenly I'm walking, people are mentioning kill Tony
to me and I'm like I can't anymore.

(42:34):
It's on Netflix now. Yeah, it's on Netflix.
Which is not. Yeah, but when it first started,
I was watching and I thought it was good then.
I like that it was raw, you know, And I also think Tony is
way out of line, like these days.
I'm. Yeah, I just got like, come on,
guy, this is, you know, he's kind of a repulsive character to
me, which I don't need to like the guy to watch it, but I just
kind of like, you know, there's other things for me.

(42:56):
Yeah, I feel he kind of plays into that little.
Character playing it now way more than he ever did and he's
definitely playing into. It like I like I like some
things he does, though, want like he'll just be like, you
know, someone he just pulls out of a hat.
You pull a name out of a hat, pull them up on stage.
And then if they do well, like he just like Netflix there.
He's like, hey, I gotta show at Madison Square Garden.

(43:18):
You wanna wanna come? Yeah, do 10 minutes or whatever.
Crazy. Like, yeah.
Like, just, you know, change someone's life that way.
But I get it. Like it's the meanest game show
you could ever go on. He's like, that's how I see it.
He's a big wrestling fan, so he kind of plays that heel.
Character, that's what I think, right?
Like it's more of a character than it is a real thing.
Like I think if you met him and got to know over a week, I don't

(43:41):
think it would be that way. I think that's more of his
villain character. Like, I think that's his whole
thing. Guy, right, like, and you kind
of get away with just kind of saying something repulsive.
Things. Yeah.
Well, I mean, what's the other guy, Jeff?
Jeff Garlin Ross No Joss. Jeff Garland, like similar idea,
right? Kind of gets away with a little

(44:02):
bit more than you should becauseyou're a roast guy or whatever,
right? But yeah, I don't like, to be
fair, I don't watch it every week.
I watch it when I'm in the mood kind of thing or whatever.
But the idea of changing someone's life is cool.
Like, I like those moments wheresomeone good gets up and yeah,
they roast them a little bit, but they also like kind of get
the most out of them in a certain in a weird way.

(44:22):
Make them a name, right? Yeah, like I like that.
And then they bring them, make them bigger and bring them back
and stuff. I like those kinds of things or
whatever. But of course then you get Lukes
and people kind of those types of characters involved too,
which is but like you were saying.
I don't bombs. Yeah, they don't.
They don't pan out eventually, right?
Like you only got so much. They're not long term characters
kind of thing. Like you don't have the goods to

(44:43):
have a career. Brought in Brendan Schaub and
Schaub is suddenly the biggest podcast through the world and
now it's the same thing. When he's struggling.
And struggling, yeah. You were you.
You've hosted a few Cokey Cokey Comedy nights in in Grand
Prairie. Haven't you?
No, no, no, no comedy nights. No, I've been to a lot of stand

(45:06):
up, but no, no, we we used to doit with 797 seven though, I
think. But that was before my time.
OK. You know, no, I couldn't do any
open mic and stuff. You guys been up there?
No. Try it once, tried it once.
Good for you though, that's terrifying.
It wasn't like really, no reason.
Well, exactly. Do can I do it or not?

(45:26):
Other than can I do it or not really?
That's all it amounts to, right?But what it was at the time,
like it was kind of becoming newin St.
John's and people were around orwhatever.
So I kind of was like, well, andI always love like I've been
watching comedy since I was a kid.
I love, I'd love it. I own fucking tons of DVD's.
I was like, I'm gonna try it. So I wrote like 2:00-ish minutes
worth of jokes, the Internet fashion talk.

(45:49):
It was OK, yeah, you know what Imean?
Like, it was a cool experience and I'd love to do it again.
But. And I have jokes written, to be
fair, like I have a ton of stuffwritten out, but I don't have
the gumption to say the things Iwanna say.
Like I feel like I'm gonna, I don't care about embarrass
myself is not really the point. It's just, I don't know, Like
it's not about offending people because that to me is up to them
to be offended in a certain way or whatever.

(46:10):
But I don't know if it's my angle.
Like I don't know if that's my angle.
Whatever you say, I do whatever you say.
You just have to say it with conviction.
You gotta follow all the way. Through really be sure and stand
behind whatever you're saying and just if you're kind of if
you're crumbling, I didn't mean that like, yeah.

(46:30):
And that's just get off. The I'm I'm afraid of that.
I don't care about the Boo or even the failure necessarily.
Tomatoes, I don't know what it is about.
It is something that doesn't. I don't know.
I don't have the I hear what? You say I don't know your
writable conviction you don't want to impotent appearance in
front of. You someone you're.
Not it's like when you shake someone's hand and you got a
great grip and they're soft. Someone came to the door the

(46:51):
other day. It was their clammy, soft hand,
and it was a man the same age asme, and I was.
Like golden clammy. Yeah, we should be embarrassed
for having stuck that in my head.
It, I, I feel like, how dare you.
Yes, it was, it was so it was sobad, though.
It's, it's, it's, you know, and I think the same thing if you do
when when Finger 11 singer ScottAnderson, he said the key to

(47:13):
rock'n'roll vocals is hitting every note, whether it's the
right note or the wrong note. But doing it with full
conviction, Yeah. Everything you sing, you sing it
all the way. And that's exactly what you're
talking about. Because people don't question
that. People don't like that.
That weird mental game of yeah, is there, is there a softness in
that presentation or you know. It's really, really mean.
Like radios the same too, for sure.

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You go on there and you can just, if you own it, no one's
going to question you. No one's going to try to bully
you too. If you have confidence.
I think that's probably true forlife.
Like you tell kids in school, but it's like no one's going to
even think about it unless they see you kind of quiver and shake
and then they're going to same thing in the streets.
You could like, oh, man, I walked past somebody was
probably not a scary person, butthey might look a little scary

(47:55):
to me. And so I give him a quick look
of like, I hope that guy's not scary.
But then he sees me looking at him and he's like, oh, this guy
thinks I might be scary. Suddenly he's got an issue and
he is scary now because he's like this kid thinks I'm, he's
judging me and I'm like, damn, that little bit of weakness or
whatever. True.
Yeah, yeah, something about dropping that GERD or whatever,

(48:15):
right? Like yeah, little peep inside
your, you know what I mean? Like you're in psyche almost
like, yeah, that dude is a bit of a wimp or whatever, right?
Like you drop your yeah, I don'tknow, but I'd love to do it.
And I think at some point I probably will attempt to do it
cuz I do. I have heard you say that.
I will do it like I have enough.I probably have 5 to 7 minutes

(48:36):
worth of material that I'd be comfortable with putting out in.
Public You got one joke right now.
What about these electricity bills, folks?
Well, there's that. We can go on that rant, but no.
And I think is I don't rehearse it.
Like I just have this idea that I write it in to this document.
It's just like, OK, if I keep track of them all, maybe someday

(48:56):
I'll just rehearse them. Voice notes probably would work
too. Well, this is, that's the whole
thing. Totally different program.
I can play like I could jump into a jam probably and play
along and a couple of different instruments just pop in and do
that thing. But it's not my world, right?
It's nothing I'm comfortable with.
I don't like talking in front ofpeople, as weird as that sounds.
Yeah. Is that the same?

(49:17):
Because I'm trying to be funny, trying to be entertaining.
This. I know I'm trying to be funny,
entertaining, but I have as manyhours as I feel like to get
there. It's a different thing, right?
I feel like with comedy you're just like, you want to come out
and pull peoples faces off rightaway.
And I don't feel I don't have the confidence in those jokes to
be like, here I come kind of thing, right?
Like that's the whole thing. That's people that I like in

(49:38):
comedy or people who just say the thing and I don't even have
to agree with on the point. It's just like I like the fact
that you said it and the fact slightly offensive may even be
funny because you said it even you know what I mean.
If I don't have the confidence in it to do that, I'm not gonna
lie. Even though we say.
The confidence, yeah, Even if itwas to be offensive or be a.
Little yeah, because, I mean that's kind of what I.

(49:59):
Like, I'm not really like that, right?
I like a little bit of. I'm not generally.
No, not in my life. But not to be trying to be
opposite of that. It's possible.
To at least total line at least a little bit.
Yeah, but there's something about, I don't know, like I like
that in comedy, like when you push the bar and not in a racist
way or in anything way, but justyou push the bar.
I like seeing people. And to be fair, I do like

(50:20):
people's reaction. I love, ooh, reaction or even if
it's not a laugh, even reaction is funny to me.
Yeah, I don't mind. I don't know one of these days.
It can be part of the joke. We talk about Norm MacDonald
though it on his podcast all thetime.
He says something to a guest andthey're like, these can't
believe it. Yeah.
Then when you rewatch it, you'relaughing at the setup because
you know that it, you know, confounded.

(50:42):
Is that the word the, the the interviewer or the guest on the
show and you just that whole thing they pull you into.
It's amazing. Yeah.
Comedy. Man, he was.
He's the greatest. I saw Norm MacDonald live at the
Grand Prairie Theatre. Here man.
I miss GPRC. I missed him.
The one time I had the opportunity.
I wasn't in the town, at home. When he was in my hometown, I

(51:04):
was somewhere else. You would have went though,
yeah. Yeah, I would have been there
early. It would have been about a door
waiting for him to walk out. Oh yeah, big fan, Long.
Time 15 years ago maybe. He crushed it.
Yeah, it was great. I was always a fan, like even
from his. Holy hell.
It's just, it's almost like so awkward.
It's just like, it's just his comedy, yeah.

(51:27):
But that's sometimes you. Sometimes people don't just get
it, people, sometimes people don't get it and whatever, but.
That's what I like and that's what I like about Norm.
It's like it's offensive, but it's also grinding like people
don't know how to react, especially if you're a celebrity
where you're trying to portray or stay within the box or you're
not supposed to say or whatever.The thing is, it really grinds

(51:49):
on that. Like it's the opposite of that.
Even if it's very calm because he's always calm.
It's not like Conan type humor where it's very landish and very
that type of thing. It's not that.
It's. It's only what he's saying and
how the fact he just sits and goes.
Yeah, right. He says the awkward thing and
just waits for you to wait for you to figure it out.
Yeah. And he'll sit in silence for two

(52:10):
minutes waiting for you to figure out the next sentence.
Right. Like I.
Love that with joy in his eyes, yeah.
He's like Norm smirk. I just love.
Him just sitting like staring right at you, like it's fucking
hilarious. Like to me, that's what, and I
think that's what I mean. Like I don't know if I could sit
in that silence with that joke. I think then that's what I mean
when I say don't have confidencethat I'm confident.
I don't feel like I can sit in that silence with the joke, for

(52:34):
the wait for people to catch up even.
I'm not saying I'm smart, but you know what I mean?
Like I, I don't like that. I'd like to watch it.
I don't know if I'd like to feelit.
That's what I mean. That's, that's where I'm coming
from and that's why I love it. Because he sits there and laughs
while you're awkward shit. I love that dude.
That's the best. Do we have a open mic scene like
a comedy? Anything in town where other

(52:55):
than the question casino thing like there should be like I
think. I know like the industry
industry, you know, I know Fredsdoes one every now and then.
And then there's one place in town that doesn't open mic, and
then there's the amateur night at the casino or whatever they
do there. They do go they bring in
comedians some lot I see oh, youknow, like from Edmonton and get

(53:17):
headliners at latitude 55 and. The old latitude, that's
something. You know who's coming?
Ben Bankies blankets. Is that his name?
He's he's a new guy that's been going around.
He's a song tour right now in North America, but he blew up on
the Internet largely making fun of the mayor of Toronto who puts
on the the the biggest, I don't know what you want to call it

(53:39):
stereotypical Chinese woman accent you've ever heard.
And he just put the same thing though, where he's like, there's
no hint. There's no crack of insecurity
in his. So you just it's amazing because
you he just loves. I don't know.
I don't know. He's wildly offensive.
He's incredibly funny and actually one of the most
relevant comedians out there. Nice.
I'm shocked to see that he's, you know, he's coming to Grand

(53:59):
Prairie. But check that out.
It actually would he'd be a coolguy to have on man.
And he's he's killing it right now and you know, he's just so
funny. I'm not gonna do his, his, his
voice there, but. You're going to reach out to his
peoples. Yeah.
We're reaching out where we are currently reaching out as of
we've been reaching as of the time you've heard this, we've

(54:20):
probably already emailed you. So check it or check your
Instagram because they're probably already messaged you.
You had a busy year this year with the storm.
How was that this year with them?
You know what first year game day host was Storm.
It was a yeah, really amazing, really a new thing for me.
I mean, it's one of those cases where where you work with the
microphone and I guess these people assume you'll do

(54:41):
everything with the microphone if it's you know, and that you
can. And I guess that's how you do
the job, though, is you sign up for everything, you show up for
everything. And it was awesome.
And the biggest thing is just getting to work around the storm
players and seeing these junior hockey kids day in, day out and
through ups and downs and, you know, fly on the wall
perspective and you know, the team at the at the arena there.

(55:04):
And I imagine it's like this right across all that junior
markets, but it's a people invest their lives into it, not
just work there to sell tickets,but they'll have a billet family
and their son will have played it in 27 years at the same
place. Almost everybody I worked with
was there for many, many years. And that to me was amazing.
It's a real family. And so I felt a little outsider

(55:25):
like that, but they're all so friendly and relaxed that they
didn't allow me to feel like that for too long.
I don't know if I'll be back because I'm also someone who
likes to do new things. And you know, I just somehow I
keep finding myself moving on all the time and no matter what.
And in fact, next week is my final show on 97.7.

(55:48):
What I know, I know. Isn't that crazy?
Breaking. News, I know news breaking news
alert and it's just this unexplainable thing where I feel
like, you know, I feel like there's time.
There's you only get so much time and, and I've done things
and it's not going to be different if I do it again.
And you know, I just have this. I know what I need to do now and

(56:11):
what I need to do now is keep going, keep loving life, keep
being me, you know, and, and doing it wherever I go, which
never changes, you know, and it's been like a really crazy
little decision to make, obviously, But, you know, it's,
it's the kind of thing where I made it.
And now I got a job lined up after this where I'm going to
take a break from being on that broadcast mode all the time

(56:34):
because it's taken. It's, it's, it's, it gives like,
it takes a lot out of me to, to try to, you know, do what I want
to do to the degree that I want to do it.
And the industry is changing allthe time too.
And, and a big part of that decision is the, the
responsibilities have expanded beyond my interests, you know,
so instead of just investing myself in this community as much

(56:54):
as I can and elevating people who are doing cool things and
helping all their stories and treating, you know, this
community with care and, and, you know, helping them feel seen
and all this stuff, which is what motivates me.
You know, they do start doing shows in other markets, you
know, So now I'm the afternoon drive in Fort McMurray in
addition to Grand Prairie. And, you know, for me, I'm like,

(57:16):
OK, that's cool because I like Fort McMurray and it's an honor
to be there afternoon drive, butI'm, I'm the afternoon drive
here. And suddenly now I don't have
the time to invest myself here and there.
I'm doing 2 shows, neither of which are my best.
And you know, week after week after week, I'm just like, this
can't be forever. And but that's the industry that

(57:37):
we're in. And I'm like, you know what?
No worries. It's, it's, it's the kind of
thing where you each have a non negotiable about you and they
have one about them. And we say that's, that's fine
man. So, but what it does give me the
chance to do is do something, start something and build
something here and whatever I want to do.

(57:57):
And I have had a few ideas, which is partially why I'm
picking your brain. How do you set all this up?
But it's not podcasting necessarily that I want to get
into, you know, it's something local, a local show.
Cuz there's nothing right now like we don't, there's really no
local news, you know, but it would imagine a local call in
show where you can talk to people from Spirit River and
find out what's happening in thecommunity.

(58:19):
And, you know, you can make it acentral place where it's CBC
does it like all of Canada and they kind of do it for Alberta.
But there's a lot of topics and things they skirt and, you know,
it's not a real true reflection of what the people are thinking
here. And and, you know, just so it's
like, yeah, you know, little bitof seeds planted in that.

(58:39):
And, you know, it's amazing. I feel alive in these moments
too, you know, And I got people close to me who aren't surprised
at all. You know, they might be
surprised they didn't do it two years ago, you know, But it's I
love connecting with the people.I love doing the job.
I love the opportunities to meetguys like you, you know, to
interview Bret the Hitman Hart and Morris Griffin and all that.
But at this point too, I'm like,who are they going to bring to

(59:01):
keep me around another year? You guys should have done Bret
Hart so early. If he was seven years, I would
have stuck around like what are you going to bring?
If it's HPK, might come back, but you know what I mean?
Like. Break my heart.
Yeah, So that's it. It's, it's amazing, right?
And it's just, it's just like, Idon't know, man.
You just do these things. My grandmother's heart is
broken. But, you know, and the public

(59:22):
doesn't know yet. But you know, it's just when
does this come out? There's a week from now.
Wednesday, next week, done Thursday.
So Wednesday will be the day before you pop it Wednesday.
Yeah bring bring it out man. This is this is the we could
tell people hey you wanna know what's going on with our G tune
into these in the year was 1985.You talked to Ryan and Sam

(59:44):
because they got the. Exclusive got the scoop.
You know, crazy dude. But I mean, Congrats.
Like, I mean, there's always something else.
I'm happy, man. I've been, you know, I've never
had a job that I didn't love. And I mean that 100%.
A lot of people like, what are you gonna be without this?
I'm like, what am I going to be without this?
You know, the same. Guy, the next thing, yeah, or
whatever I want to be, it doesn't really matter, right?
But. At the same time, you can always

(01:00:05):
get a microphone in a mixer and you can have what?
You can have your own show, you can do whatever.
You want? You know what I mean?
You don't have this. Right.
You don't need to have a afternoon drive, no.
You can have. Them and you.
Can find G hour my. World where you could not even
people. And the possibilities are
endless, right? So.
You can you can do. You know, I'm happy for.

(01:00:25):
You I like change like. That you and I admire that
someone who can not be afraid toto make a change and go for it
and like just to keep keep keep going and like, yeah, find
things that make you happy Yeah,like say like cuz this if you do
what makes you happy, you're notgoing to work and everything
another day in your life, right.So you kind of just have to be

(01:00:51):
just be free to do that. Yeah, it does.
Like self knowledge, you know, find the next cool.
Thing and for not to be like a disastrous event.
It's not yeah, I'm not in distress.
You know, it's not one of these things where you I don't know
what I'm doing. I just think I need to do this
and you're like throwing your life into a void which which is,
you know, but it's it's just yeah, it just seems like it's
exactly what I should be doing. And I've always done this.

(01:01:13):
I mean my whole life. I've I've always just situation
is not serving me and not not ina in a in immediate kind of
reactionary way. It's like the analyze it, sleep
on it, and then you convince yourself otherwise and then you
keep coming back to the same conclusions and you realize, hey
man, there's what am I holding on to here?
Like, you know, it's amazing, but nothing lasts forever and

(01:01:34):
I'd rather induce the change in my life sometimes than have it
crashing down. On you.
Because change is inevitable andand what do you want something
to happen eventually? Like say I'm stressed out, you
know, and, and I'm going to havean incident or something, you
know what I mean? What do you need for a sign?
Like I'm going to like get in a fist fight.
You know what I mean? I don't.
I don't need to wait till that point you.
Can you can control your own? Narrative and then it's your own

(01:01:55):
out too, right? You're not like suddenly
surprised. There's none of that like and it
can be on good terms still, technically speaking.
So you just say, OK, this is notfor me.
And you move and you know, one of those things like I thought I
was going right now to go left or whatever, but that's a good
thing generally. And there's a reason generally,
right? Like I'm a change guy.
I mean, everybody knows me. I'm the opposite change.

(01:02:16):
That's why I admire you in that decision so much.
Well, I appreciate that it's. Yeah, I mean, it takes, it takes
a lot of nails to like I say, goleft when you thought you're
gonna go right, like it does. It just does.
Gonna go right. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Well, there's a lot of good
stuff, man. It's tough.
But it's the hard part is just thinking about the people, you

(01:02:37):
know, I really appreciate, you know, connecting and
entertaining and giving a show that's local and, and that, you
know, respects the listener. I remember when.
Yeah. Anyway, it's just, it's, that's
the tricky part. I'm from this town, so my first
go around here growing up, nobody was ever yelling my name
in a crowd or tapped me on the shoulder and just saying I just

(01:02:58):
wanted to say hi or, you know, you listen to your show every
day, like just wanted to say thanks and all that.
I'm like, this is who would walkaway from that?
But at the same time, it's just like, you know, that's kind of
sad too, that, you know, the approval of relative strangers
is something that's like, you know, like something I need or
something I, I don't know, But Ifeel great.

(01:03:20):
I got a great path ahead of me, you know, and you're right.
We do have options these days. You can't be cornered in this
market. It's it's funny though, because
you also talk about, you know, the willingness to or to say
something like you wanna say something or you're talking
about comedy and you don't want to be offensive, but you don't
mind being offensive, you know, and you, you don't mind staying

(01:03:42):
an unpopular truth, but you don't want to go out there just
to say the unpopular truths, youknow, So it becomes this game of
like, why do I say what I say? And, and you know, what would I
say if I could say anything? And I don't find myself wanting
to say anything else than I do get to say.
What am I trying to say here now?

(01:04:03):
Yes, there's a freedom. About myself.
There's a freedom that comes with this, but it's not like a
freedom I need. I mean, I think this is a
healthy, awesome conversation. Yeah.
You know, a part of what I don'tlike about podcasting, I guess,
in and on the current scene online, is it's like all this
edgy stuff and all this reciprocation of the points
someone else made. And the as the line gets bumped

(01:04:24):
up, everybody gets closer to theline.
I'm like, you guys are such dorks.
You waited your whole lives for this word to be acceptable to
say publicly now that it's OK, You're the, you're the, you're
the, you're the. You know, I don't know, man.
I just just. I don't want to be in that
scene, you know, I don't. Know yeah, I don't feel like I
have like even in this context, like I feel like if I'm being

(01:04:45):
funny and if you hear me laughing, it's mostly because I
find we're funny. It's you know what I mean?
Like I feel like to me the podcasting is exactly that.
It's there's a lot of shock value involved now.
And to be fair, that's part likeTony's problem.
It's kind of, you know what I mean?
Is that line pushing right? But I think that's kind of like,

(01:05:07):
I think it's why we kind of stick to what we do, kind of
stay in our lane a little bit isbecause there's tons of people
doing that. I mean, we get him a.
Foolishness, but have freedom tobe silly.
Yeah, and we'd be as silly as wewant to be.
I mean, I don't never not say what I wanna say on here.
That's one thing I will admit, Ialways say what I wanna say, but
it's always in the context of the show, which is very

(01:05:29):
important I feel like. Because when you just try to be
edgy for the sake of it, it's number one is not authentic if
people see it right away and youwill get blown out on the
Internet eventually, so. I'm not any different here than
I am in real life, but I don't want to be like that, right?
And that's, I think maybe it's not Even so much like I want to
show people myself, it's just I know there's other people that

(01:05:53):
are interested in all the same things that we are kind of
thing. So I like for I like to talk
about it. I like for people to kind of
react back to us and kind of putit out there kind of thing like
here, because it's not even an opinion based necessarily what
we do. We just have some fun and talk
about things, right? So like having to get into this
angle of always trying to be funny and always trying to be
mildly offensive. It's boring.

(01:06:14):
Desperate is what it ends up being.
And to me, it's like for clicks,it's only to get people to
watch. It's not eventually you, right,
because you're only technically being offensive in that one.
Whatever 22nd clip. The rest is just like everybody
else. And a lot of times it's not even
that great, right? Like it's one thing I've noticed
if you kind of follow these podcasts down the whole like
here's the funniest part of the whole thing is that 32nd clip

(01:06:37):
that you seen on Instagram, right?
So now when you go watch or listen to the podcast, it's the
rest of it's not even funny, right?
That's the big thing I've noticed as well.
So like I try not to go down that route and I think it
doesn't show anything good. And I agree, like I be the
first. That's why I kind of like the
what we do is because it's not that, yeah, forcing the button
for no reason, right? Like.

(01:06:58):
It's very comfortable listening to you guys.
And my favorite I've learned these days are the guys that are
just naturally themselves and they're they're totally cool
with what they're doing. And it's not that they're not
saying things that's controversial or whatever, but
it's not a point of it. You know, it's not the point of
the podcast or the point of whatyou're watching.
You know, it's, it's just like, yeah, original people, real

(01:07:19):
people. I don't know, man.
But yeah, that's fun, man. I like, I like this stuff.
I like having new chapters in mylife, you know, I don't like
knowing how the book ends. Although the older I get, the
more I do things like this, the more I'm like, man, you do this
a lot in every element of your life.
But it's just, that's just how you are.
You. Know yeah, that reminds me, I
think we have because remember we were throwing around some

(01:07:41):
ideas and we were like well why don't we have like a Brian G
spot you know what I mean? Like a G.
Spot is what we said. The right.
That is what we said, yeah. I mean, if that's offensive,
then that's, well, whatever. But yeah, yeah, like a little
music moment, kind of like a music or like even whatever
you'd like. Something like a spot that we

(01:08:03):
could put into a segment into our podcast or something like
that, right? Anything you guys want man I
got. You like that would be so cool
to kind of get a little. That's the thing, we're always
changing. What we're doing and of course.
We're always switching it out. No one else.
Yes, we would call it the. Possible.
There's a possibility. Yeah, I think it rolls off the
tongue a little bit. Go with the flow.

(01:08:25):
It does come right out of your mouth.
Creatively, who are you to judgethat?
That's what the universe. Gave me it's gonna show I can do
what I want. That's how I that's what I like.
It's like if we're gonna try something like, man, it's
fucking it's our show we can do what we want.
Like, yeah, if we. And The thing is about what
makes podcasting interesting to me is the fact you see the

(01:08:47):
instant results. Because next week when you look
at your analytics, if you see nobody looked at that, obviously
whatever you did was bullshit. Like it's obvious, right?
Like playing to the crowd is notwhere it's at, right?
Like, to me, it's like copying Pink Floyd's copying Led
Zeppelin. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean?
And full copy. And I'll talk about stealing
here. We're talking about full copy,
right? That's the way I look at it.
I want to just do what we're doing and talk about the things

(01:09:09):
we like to talk about and we don't prep things generally or
very little, you know what I mean?
Like all that. I just want to talk to people
and shoot the shit and I like the real and that's the podcast
I listen to. Generally are just dudes in the
room, 3 by 4 microphones and youjust talk and the camera
switches a little bit, but it's basically just shooting the
shit. I like that better.
It's fun. It's way more realistic.

(01:09:30):
Way more realistic. I like that too, yeah.
Especially like when the the bigger guys are so getting just
so unrelatable, like the Rogan. I was on Rogan way early back in
his days when he was sitting on the couch with the mic.
I was like, stop tuning in like a hipster.
As soon as he became like where he is now pre COVID really.
And when it all became this thing and I just wasn't
interested anymore because he changed.

(01:09:51):
He wasn't a guy who was hanging out and telling stories and all
this stuff. It became something else where
it was like a business and you know, he was not who he used to
be and I wasn't interested. Anymore it's the same talking
points on every pot, so he brings up the same thing.
It's like. Well, and I mean.
This. Isn't this like?
Like I'm a Joey Diaz fan. Like I love Joey Diaz.
Yeah, but listen to the newest story Rd. gonna shit on you

(01:10:14):
right on you now. But I'm a huge Diaz fan.
But then I listen to the podcast.
I'm like, I love listen to him cuz Joe gets like all the six
stories and it is super funny. I love the way they interact
kind of things are always kind of like fucking each other a
little bit. So I like that and I'm listening
and I got like 50 minutes, man. I hear this podcast before like
this get backwards because it's the same podcast identical to

(01:10:35):
this podcast that it did whatever like last year.
And it been awhile since he was on.
It's been like a year. Yeah.
You think he would? It was.
And I got caught up in like, am I listening this?
He calls him out, though, on that one, Joe.
Joey Diaz. Yeah, I'm not talking about this
fucking. She gets off all the politics
and he gets real crazy. He gets.
I've seen that on one of those podcasts.
Free clip. Yeah, that's how I know about

(01:10:55):
it, yeah. Just like Joe Rogan, I'm not
talking about the. Fucking we're not talking about
it anymore. But he does he broken with the
same kind of political talking. Stuff and he even says like,
dude, man, like if they wanna take the fucking vaccine, take
him, let him take the vaccine. You know what I mean?
Like he doesn't care. He's like, I'm gonna stop
talking about let's talk about something else.
He moves on, which is good because I like I said, that was
good. But it was the same conversation

(01:11:17):
as the last Joey Diaz conversation.
It was identical, almost word for word, telling the same
stories. It was like, OK, never mind.
And I have a hard and that's theone thing I will admit.
Like I'm still a fan, but at thesame late, like I only now
listen to specific ones, like one of them, like really
interested, like I want to hear that.
Robert Rodriguez. Robert Rodriguez was awesome.
Super super because inspirational.

(01:11:38):
Joe didn't talk as long as Joe is not talking and the other and
the guest is just talking and telling stories and his life
experiences and times on set andfilming this movie and this like
I love hearing that because that's an actual that actually
happened. That's a historical moment in
time that he's telling a story from his point of view about
making whatever movie. But I don't want to hear, Joe

(01:12:01):
asked him his opinion on on Fauci.
Or yeah, I don't care what. You know, cold Canada, Canada,
Liberals and whatever. No, no, not no.
But that was a super good one. I will admit that.
If you want to get a little bit of inspiration, that's a good
one for he's got lots of inspirational little tidbits.
Rodriguez, Robert Rodriguez, actor, director.
So Planet Terror kind of in the Queen of Romano's.

(01:12:26):
Partner almost like they kind oflike because they.
Kind of came up until dawn. Yes, yes, good movie.
Yeah, like a lot of horror stuff, but also like Spy Kids,
it's like it's two. Yeah, like huge.
He's like pioneered like that 3D, like the first ever 3D
films, like of the like mid 2000s or whatever you wanna say.
Like he was the first one to pint.

(01:12:47):
He built a studio specifically to shoot this stuff in and learn
how to do it himself. Whatever.
But like that's the stuff I liked about that conversation
because he got into this is how I did it.
Again, anybody can do this. Any relates it back to something
simple like super good conversation.
That was a really good one. But the thing when you get
someone good like that in Romans, super.
Good. Mel Gibson is one of the guys.

(01:13:07):
I'll TuneIn, where is Elon Musk,even though I didn't do most
recent Elon like his first Alex Jones.
Remember they did that. I love four times 141 where they
were getting hammered. That was to me basically the
peak of that podcast because it was so insane.
But then, you know, I mean, yeah, all those big guests are
great. But generally, yeah, I stay
away. I'm not a big, I'm not on every

(01:13:29):
single role. I'm not used to be like, but
protect our parks, parks operation into that.
I like, I like those guys just having a few beers and just
shooting the shit. I don't want no dragging on each
other. And then if Joe gets in a
certain way that the guys will call him out on it.
And I kind of like that they're.Getting better at.
It yeah, like they're like, early on it was just like like

(01:13:49):
Rogan, but. Like Gilly makes fun every day
you got because I'm a big Bills fan like me, as much as he's in
the box with Rogan and all, I like him.
Maybe he even kind of not less, but he points out certain things
all the time, like oh, you know,it's like this.
This is how it works at Rogan place or whatever.
So like I get, but I'm a girly fan.
Well, they created a whole market outside of their own

(01:14:12):
world that because that was thriving by not making fun of
themselves, right? Yeah.
So now they're making the jokes that people are making money on
outside of their sphere, right. So now it's like, bring some
guys in the sphere. So now you're not pushing them
outside of your world. It's it's very interesting.
In the UFC, there's a similar thing happening where all MMA

(01:14:33):
media was asking the same questions and it was super
boring. And then suddenly Youtubers
started making videos talking about the real world of MMA
that's not being acknowledged within the media sphere.
And they started blowing up because everyone was thinking
the same thing. How come you never asked that
question or that guy does this or this is so all these unspoken
truths. Then Kevin Ioli, this longtime

(01:14:54):
UFC reporter, ended up one day going into the media, and he
asked a burning question that everyone was talking about but
was far outside the realm of what he would ever ask.
It was something to do with JohnJones being a, oh, yeah, Dana
White promotes. John Jones is the greatest of
all time and all this and all this.
And Kevin, I always like, what do you got?
Do you have naked pictures of you doing something like, why

(01:15:15):
are you on this guy's balls, youknow?
And everyone was like, what the hell, Kevin Iole, because he's
the senior reporter. He's like, you know, he's the
guy who's asks the basic questions and but he took all
the fire away from everyone outside that orbit by asking the
question. And I was like, damn, that's an
interesting way to sabotage yourcompetition.
Who are are feasting on? You know what?

(01:15:37):
You're not the corpse. I don't know, but you know what
I'm saying, right? It's it's a whole thing.
I was like, geez, Rogan guys aredoing the same.
Either either podcast cringe gets bigger than what you are
because you failed to evolve, oryou let some guys into your
orbit who know how to chew you up and keep you in line.
Yeah, and that's clearly what heneeds to do.
OHP. Yeah.
Like yes, men don't work. As a reset.

(01:15:58):
Yeah, he needs a big reset. Like he needs to be fair.
He needs to like shoot 25 podcasts and not in Austin, TX
and just like completely out of there for a little bit.
Just take a breath. And he deleted a bunch of the
most interesting podcasts ever, like this guy Stefan Molyneux.
Like, agree with them or not, Rogan had him on two or three

(01:16:21):
times and he was fascinated by what he had to say.
And then one day, 10 years later, when Spotify offered him
200 billion or whatever, it was like deleted.
And you could still find them out there.
But like, to me, that's a littledifferent to where you're like,
I don't know, man. I guess that kind of defines
what made him different, you know, like what changed?
I agree since COVID it's different.
I don't pay attention as heartily as I once did.

(01:16:42):
What's stressful too? When all this real world
stuffed, is this always houndingyou?
It's another reason for me to get out of the the office a bit.
Moving forward is like you're plugged in 24/7 and and forced
to not just watch the news, but understand it in a way that you
know how to present it and then present it in a way that you
know is tasteful to an audience without, you know, it's like

(01:17:03):
just. 0 context kind of thing. Like no lead in no context?
Sure. It's like you by the way. 15
seconds to say 4 things or whatever and now you're done.
Like I don't want to be plugged in 24/7, you know?
Yeah, I agree with that. That's one thing I've taken a
big get back from like not necessarily social media because
I've almost indulged more, but in a different way.
Like I don't I don't partake in politics so much anymore.

(01:17:25):
I don't partake in me too. I only I go look for the stuff I
wanna go look for. Like I wanna see photography,
wanna see people making music. I wanna see what new guitar or
whatever The thing is. Like I don't just give me all
the Trump news or like I just start getting on these rampages
of whatever the news of the weekor whatever.
I just like, I don't do that anymore because I find it burns
me out quick. Like it's so much serious and

(01:17:45):
you're gonna hear it because everybody's gonna talk to you
about it anyway. You have no way to escape it
anymore. So it's like if I just let not
do that and I just take in what I want, I'm going to hear it
anyway. But I'm not so deep now.
I haven't gone down the rabbit hole or spent the hour doing the
thing. So I like that.
That's one thing I will like. And even from the Roman thing,
I've taken a step back because it's the same type of thing.

(01:18:05):
You're getting into politics, you getting all these things
every single episode. It's different once every 10 or
once every five, but it's every episode same 10 questions or
whatever. So like even taking a step back
from that, like it's like, oh, you don't need to take all that
crap in. Like you just don't and it's way
better if you don't. You're gonna hear about it
regardless to a certain degree. You're probably as much as you
want to know from everybody. Right.
If I get a spare hour or two, I don't want to flood my brain

(01:18:29):
with, you know, certain. Things.
I'd rather things or whatever. I tend to go to like, I want to
laugh. If I'm listening to a podcast,
I'll laugh a little bit, a little bit of, you know, or I'll
go history route, you know, little, little Dan Carlin.
Yeah, but conspiracies, but in afunny way.
Like I like the ancients becauseit's kind of conspiracy was also

(01:18:51):
fact. Like it's a real scientist
talking to you. It's not just the same, you know
what I mean? Like it's that kind of thing.
Like he approaches it from the information I like because I
like the conspiratorial angle ofit.
But it is fact. And he will tell you this isn't
or is a fact that kind of stuff like.
What about conspiracy from a different era, like a
documentary on Bigfoot from the 90s as opposed to a modern 1?

(01:19:13):
Cause they almost have a different way of talking about.
I sure do. And it's almost like more fun
instead of this thing of like you have to believe this because
idiots believe otherwise. And like it's not an assault on
your sensibilities and a judgment of you.
It's not this preemptive fuck you.
I don't know who you are, but you listen to this and it's
mental manipulation. And if you don't believe me,

(01:19:34):
you're one of the weird. Like it's it's just before it
was like Bigfoot thought to believe 1920s.
And so, yeah, I love. We stayed in the woods for five
days. We didn't really find much, but
you know, whatever it cool time.But yeah, I know.
I agree. Like everything's way too
serious. Like that's the only way I can
define it is like everybody is fucking serious at all points

(01:19:56):
and times all the time. It's always something breaking
news. You read it, dude, This is not
breaking news. This is an e-mail.
What are you talking? You know what I mean?
Like is this type of stuff called it started at the 24 hour
news cycle has ruined. Everything technically like the
Internet, radio, everybody, it ruined everybody with this
stupid like how much informationyou jam into 24 hours kind of

(01:20:16):
thing. Yeah and everybody's fighting
for space now cuz you got TV still existent but pretty much
not there anymore. And the similar things happening
with radio to a certain degree, like live broadcast at radio
kind of thing. Like it's just being taken over
by bigger things and smushed down like exactly what happened
with you know, you gotta do two things at once now, not instead
of your own thing. So all these smushy things going

(01:20:36):
on and I don't know, it's just filled up the whole thing.
Like you don't get crucial information, you just get a
bunch of it. And it's not, yeah, it's, it's
not intentional. And it's not, you know, like a
deliberate anyways because you're doing such a volume.
Yeah. Yeah, there.
There was an innocence about it early on, whereas now everyone

(01:20:57):
has to be 100% right, fact checking all the time.
Like so I kind of want to believe there was Sasquatch,
Bigfoot, you know, kind of roaming around.
I love the granny video and stuff like that.
Like I don't need. Yeah.
Don't tell me this hyper kind oflike documentary style.
I like I like the like this. I like I said, I haven't thought

(01:21:20):
about that a new documentary about Bigfoot compared to like
an 80s or 90s. You know, it would be totally
different thing and I think the the older one probably would be
a little bit more enjoyable to watch.
It's funner, that's for sure. Like it is.
And I got that. Yeah.
It's exactly what you mean. You're saying it's not the Fact
Check thing. It's not this person's gonna and

(01:21:42):
it's not even supposed to Fact Check.
Someones gonna burn your ass on the Internet and you're gonna
get burned down like you're a liar.
You don't know what you're talking about.
You're not, You know, whatever your status on the Internet
might be, the burn you down because of that, right?
We're in that mode too, where everybody's gotta be right,
Versus just taking it for face value sometimes.
Like, not everything's an argument, you know what I mean?

(01:22:05):
I saw Bigfoot, so it could couldhave happened like right as now
it's like, oh, no, no, no. But if you hear a wild story in
the 90s and you're 8 years old, it's like, hell yeah, yeah, it's
different. That's what that's the magic
about those things, that space. For you to determine right,
there's that little bit of room like that's when people say you

(01:22:26):
play, you play music in the empty space kind of thing.
Like what you don't play. It's exactly that.
It's literally that like it's you.
It's a little bit that's left upto your imagination kind of
thing. Whereas now it's like, here's
all the facts and the reasons why.
And we've got scientific property Blas and someone tested
and it's like, holy shit, dude, I just wanted to watch the
Bigfoot documentary and laugh. Probably mostly right.

(01:22:47):
Like it's way everything, everything is taken to that
degree and everybody's got to beright and everybody's got to
Fact Check to you. And if you're wrong, you get
burned down. It's not even like, oh, I can.
Yeah, shit, I just thought that because I thought I read that
somewhere 10 years ago. It's not that you don't get away
with that stuff anymore. It's like holy fuck this idiot
didn't know his. Random you put on a pedestal for
being a weirdest thing. Like you know you haven't.

(01:23:11):
Geez, I forget what I was going to say, but I know you put on
the pedestal for being wrong, essentially.
Yeah, exactly. It's like, let me highly.
Discredited is what the word I was looking for.
You're discredited for just putting your opinion out there.
Yeah. And someone kind of knocks you
down for that and facts check you backed out to the.
Only fast track you to all theseother conclusions that they've

(01:23:34):
already made too like that to this one thing is just so it's a
web of if you think this then it's associated with that and
all things ended Hitler you're. Like, because you believe that
you must be. It's like, no, dude, like I'm
allowed to think like 30 things.Yeah, I can think like things
that are blue or red or green orpurple or whatever colours you
might believe that I can think all those things.
Like I'm allowed to pick from some of this.

(01:23:55):
Like, I don't have to be on yourteam.
Is it self aware like too much self-awareness then?
It's not enough. It's not enough.
Not enough. I think it's not enough.
Well, you. See this footage from like, hey,
look how great high school was in 2000s, right?
They never see these viral photos and these kids in the
hallway, none of them are prepared for a camera.
And they're all kind of silly and fun when you see them on
there and and they're almost natural and it really takes you

(01:24:17):
back these days, everyone knows how to act in front of a camera.
They know how to talk to a camera to look sincere.
You know, we're kind of talking about this.
When you first got in, you got 21 year old telling you the
history of the, of the Rothschilds or something.
And he's like, here's what you need to know and all this.
And he's got you look in his eyes and you're like, yeah,
there's no, it's just like they know how to look into a camera
and and tell you that what, whatthe something.

(01:24:38):
And and when you watch the videoback, it looks like an honest
person. But you see the footage from the
2000s high schools and it's likethe way they dress.
None of its camera ready. Everybody's a little awkward at
all. It's amazing.
And that that thing that's. True, yeah.
I hate getting lost in nostalgia, you know?
I mean, that's what they try to sell us, right?
That's what Donald But we're about.
I get it man, I. Get it?

(01:24:59):
But yeah, I know what you mean. I know exactly.
And and and, you know, pulling something out of it that's
valuable. You could do nostalgia, but I
don't want to act like we're going back, you know, and and
Canada will try to sell you an image of the country that's
gone. And then a lot of Canadians saw
and we lived through and we might long for it, But it's like
you don't let someone tell you that's where we're going again.

(01:25:19):
We're going back to the future. Or that's, you know, and I'm not
even political here. I don't even have.
But Donald Trump, same thing. I'm going to make it great
again. We're going back manufacturing
all this, all that. It's like we can't you got us
going. We wanted it.
We, we, we need, but you just can't.
It's A different world. And you know, that's where I get
a little frustrated sometimes, like because I over the last few

(01:25:40):
years, I still wanted that the, the world we grew up in.
And I still thought maybe it's just around the corner if we, if
we got the right economy going and if the right person's in
charge. And it's like you're torturing
yourself by, by believing that there's some poor door you can
walk through. If you just pick the right 3
doors, you'll be back to where you were.
You know, it'll be early 2000s again.

(01:26:02):
And Slipknot's debut album just came out and you're walking in
high school with oversized blue pants and A and a chain on your
wallet. You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's true, It's true. But there's no way back for that
like and there I don't. Think no way back.
Yeah, there just isn't. I don't.
And I don't think that's, that'sjust not a thing ever.
And every I think that's, I think that's the big thing with
nostalgia especially. We're the first real generation

(01:26:24):
to have our nostalgia put on display.
Something I think people don't recognize is because of the
Internet, because of the time when we came up, mid to late
teens into early 20s were broadcasted on the Internet kind
of thing. Like, you know, it may not have
been pictures like it is now. It's not as crazy it is now, but
it was all out there in the world.
And then, you know, now we're 3025, thirty years later now,

(01:26:49):
which is the cycle. The things we liked are become
popular because we're parents and those things are going to
come up now because that's thosethings that those people know
about. So that becomes popular.
So now we're looking at it, but from a different angle, like
thinking about how much stuff has been resold back to us.
Like every cartoon you've ever loved has all new action
figures, has all new movies, hasall new every little thing.
Everything we touched, like skateboarding has become super

(01:27:11):
popular again. Everything that got touched from
like say 95 to 2010 is now slowly becoming widely popular
all over again. Right?
Like so. But we're the 1st super bad
consumer generation and we're adults with money.
Yeah. Do all those companies are still
around? All those things are still
around in some way, shape or form so they can be sold back to

(01:27:32):
you. It's not like those franchises
just disappeared like a lot of things from the 50s and what
it's kind of just went into the midst.
All these things are owned by somebody because of consumerism
and you know, right. So it's super easy to sell you
back your own childhood. Now, yeah, man.
Right. Like that's how I see this, even
though like I know this whole podcast is literally based about
our childhood. Technically speaking, sure, But

(01:27:53):
the real reality, like we're being sold our own child, It's
very cliche, but we're technically 100% being sold our
own nostalgia back to us. Yes, right.
We feel sorry for our little selves because we didn't have
whatever at the time and now we just buy it again.
It's crazy. Right now it's your chance to
remember that Bret the Hitman Hart.
He was he couldn't meet him. Now he's here.
Yeah. You know the band that you
couldn't see because they were on tour somewhere else when they

(01:28:14):
were the biggest band in the world.
Now they're in your hometown. Yeah, like you're seeing it in
Rogers Place in Edmonton. 100% people headlining that place
that might not have had any business being that top act in
the world back. But it's amazing back.
But but I think that's the valueof of this too, is exploring it
in a healthy way and not just being a are in past and our
nostalgia, something we have an unhealthy relationship with that

(01:28:35):
leaves us longing or wondering. It's like you could turn the
light on and appreciate it, but understand that it's not the
future, it's not the current. It's it's you know, you can you
can extract value from it and and become a whole person.
Because this consumerism thing is that you're talking about,
man, we live in wild consumer times where, yeah, people are
throwing money at like, you know, whatever their problems

(01:28:57):
are. Yeah, man, everything, you know,
everything's a quick fix. Everything's now you know what I
mean? Like everything convenience
problem like yeah, yeah. And then?
You do that's why I live in a trailer.
I I literally identified convenience and people are like,
what, what do you do for this? And in the winter, like
everything, you know, my furnacegoes out and everything freezes
and people just can't understand.
I'm like, you know, the longest nights life goes pretty fast and

(01:29:21):
when you have a long night, that's the only thing you can do
to slow it down. Unfortunately, having fun
doesn't slow it down. And nothing but, but you know
-36 my furnace went out and I'm getting through this thing and
it's crazy and I'm laughing. And if I want to make coffee, I
have to thaw the water first. So I get my heater out and it
takes 45 minutes. And then I got enough for a cup

(01:29:42):
and I have, it's just this wholething and I'm like the bathroom.
I don't have running water whereI am.
So I walked to the facilities inmy robe and it's crunching
through the snow. And I'm thinking about my
grandparents used to walk to theouthouse.
And you know, it's just eliminating convenience.
It it also because you need a problem and you're going to find
one. And if you have no problems, I'm

(01:30:02):
gonna make him up. And you're gonna be like in your
own head, maybe you're gonna be neurotic.
Maybe you're gonna fight things that aren't even in front of
you. Maybe the other side of the
world, you know. But for me, I'm like, I got a
problem. Like, you know, this is my thing
broke or my, I don't know how todo this.
Or it's, it's, you know, it's just amazing.
You, you. I built a shed outside my place.
I just singled the roof. I'm putting a wood stove in.

(01:30:24):
And every day I got a problem. Winter's coming.
It gets really cold in northern Alberta.
My wood stove is my plan. I don't know how to put in a
wood stove. Now I have to do it and I'm not
asking for help. I will look online and say, what
do you do with the how do you put shingles in?
Stop at the bottom left. Alright, so I start putting in
the bottom left and I'm. I don't know if I built the roof
strong enough to hold me up. You know, it's all this and I

(01:30:46):
love it. It's like it's so everything to
me in a way that like it doesn'teven make sense because no one's
around. No one's watching.
Yeah. And I don't like putting the
videos online because I don't doit for that.
People are like, you're going togo through the northern winter
in a trailer. You should make that into a blog
series. And I'm like, I'm not gonna ruin
the moment by taking a selfie. Like guys, my power just went

(01:31:08):
out. It's -36 the world there.
Make sure you follow in like, like, that's so sad.
Cause it's not why I did it. I did it because I'm in the
moment. I'm because it's, it's
everything. It pulls you apart.
Yeah. It you, you cling to weakness
sometimes, you know? And, and I'm like, don't make me
pull it out of me, man, Kill me,destroy me.
Like I'm not afraid of you. Even when it's minus like 38.

(01:31:29):
I'm like, you can't get me. I remember saying on the radio,
I was like, you ever see a bumblebee when you freeze them?
What happens when they and they thought they're back making
honey flying around again? Like that's exactly it, you
know? And that's how I feel about it.
I'm like, it's so liberating to just kind of let it be.
You know what? I don't know, man, There's

(01:31:51):
something. About it, you're untied like
it's you're not tied to one thing.
And like I said, if it was you're taking selfies, blogging
everything, you'd be tied to that and then it would kind of
take away. But it's your experience would
be making that thing and not living what you're doing
totally. So it's kind of, yeah, you kind
of just, you just live and you're not, yeah, not tied to

(01:32:11):
one thing that's. Fucking no judgment, no clout
chasing. I don't reflect on what I did
and why I did it and who I did it for.
You know, it's amazing. And you talk about concerts,
though you're filming with the thing you're filming, and it's a
similar thing where it takes youout of the moment a little. 100%
does. That's why I don't like it.
Like I don't like doing it like a little snap, like maybe the
very first, like the lights comeout and take a little snafu,

(01:32:32):
take couple snaps, maybe I'll take a couple more snaps midway
through. But I don't, I can't.
I don't like that. Like I'm not, I never paid
whatever I pay because it's not like 20 bucks anymore to go
click and then watch it through the tiny screen.
I'm standing there. Yeah, it's an experience, right?
Like to me, like what you're talking about is a true
experience, right? Like you're not doing it for
anybody else, Number one. You're not recording it for
anybody else. You're not doing anything.

(01:32:53):
It's literally OK, I have a problem.
How do I solve it? Because it pertains to me and
it's not for anybody else, right?
There's nobody else to watch. And I don't intend for anybody
else to watch, right. Like maybe I'll tell people, but
I'm not going to show anybody because those are different
things. And I think that's a big thing
that we've kind of done. It's easy to take a picture of

(01:33:13):
everything. You're just, he was not
important. Like I think, I mean, everybody
does it. How many things you see on the
Internet are important? Like people's posts.
I'm not taking away from anybody's whatever.
It's up to you what you put on the Internet.
But how many times you can scroll through whatever your
thing is and next thing you know, you're on to something.
Like why did this person even post this thing?
Like, this is dumb. If you keep scrolling.
The same premise for me. I only post things pertaining to

(01:33:35):
this. I don't really post anything
personal. Same idea, Reason why it's like,
no, this stuff for me, this is for everybody else.
That's stuff for me. Yeah, that's how I see it,
right? Because why wouldn't I?
Nobody's ever watch me build a shed before, so why would you
want to do now? And I don't want.
What am I trying to show? How rugged I am?
Look. How cool.
Look at you guys on the hammer. I'm on my own.

(01:33:57):
How does this look? You know.
Like funny though it would be funny.
But it sounds like Zoolander making kissy faces.
Look, Dad, I'm tough now. It's just, I don't know, to me
it's like disingenuous to do it.Like because it's not why I'm
here. Like it's not, that's not my
social media experience. It's not what I'm here for.
Like if I was a Carpenter and I was trying to sell carpentry,

(01:34:17):
yeah, maybe. But like, it's not my element.
I'm not doing it. I just literally need to build a
shed. So like, why am I broadcasting?
And then if you feel bad for people on the other end looking
at my bullshit, like look at this idiot building shit and
somebody knows really what they do is look how dumb he is
because he's doing Bobby blah wrong.
Sure. You know what I mean?
Like, I don't care. Like I'm here to do it myself
and I want to figure it out. Probably wants to solve.
It, it's the best thing. When I was building the, the,

(01:34:39):
the roof of this thing, I didn'tknow if it would hold the
shingles. So I was adjusting the roof and
the whole thing collapsed. And I remember being like, wow,
this is maybe they are going to have to take down the whole
shed. I don't know what I'm going to
do. But in that moment I was like, I
don't, I'm like, I'm sweating. I'm going, I don't know what I'm
gonna do. I'm thinking like, oht man, I
might actually be in a problem. I don't have a solution for like
this is actually crazy. I might not even be able to

(01:35:01):
figure this out. And there was a point where I
kind of went, oh, wow, you really did it this time.
And then next thing you know, just they're figuring out and
through patience and through walking around looking at it,
thinking for a second, taking 15minutes, cracking open a soda
water, drinking that, forgettingwhat I was doing, going back to
it. Next thing I know, I got a
solution. Next thing you know, the roof
sub, next thing you know, the shingles are done.

(01:35:23):
And I'm just like, wow, you did it, man.
You didn't give up. That's a big thing for me.
It's funny to say as I walk awayfrom something, but it's like,
you know, giving up when it getshard is my least favorite thing.
And you know, it doesn't mean you should do everything that's
hard or everything you struggle with is something you should be
doing. But like in this case, I can't
not do the shed. Like that matters to me a lot.

(01:35:45):
Or getting this fire stove in the wood stove.
It matters to me a lot. I was laughing all winter, man,
when I had this, this opening orthis this shelter protection
over my front door somewhere to hang my coat, which I didn't
have last winter storage for everything.
It's 12 feet, 8 feet both, you know, 10 feet tall.
And it just changed my entire winter and I was just like, man,
you, you busted your ass throughthree.

(01:36:07):
You're too long weekends to set this up.
You you cut all the wood. You had to figure out everything
to make this happen. And I didn't get to the end goal
which was put in the the wood stove in yet, but I got 95%
there. And now it's summer time again.
I'm going to get the wood stove in there and I just have to set
it up. And it's like, yeah, man, it's
just a real accomplishment. Like, you know, it's, it's cool

(01:36:29):
if proud of myself like that, you know, it's cool.
Yeah, it's like you see the end results and you're proud of it
and it's dual purposes keeping your ass more, Yeah, and you can
see the result like it's awesome.
Yeah, it's a growing experience,right?
You're living and you're learning.
To teach you something new. You're finding exactly solutions

(01:36:50):
to your problems. If you're not sure how to do it,
take a look. Take a break.
Yeah, and you figure it out. Dudes, good point then and I
think. Yeah.
I get it, man. Land right there.
That was a good one. That was good.
That was a good, good life advice from Ryan G.
Are you got me going now that I'm a free man?
I can I could free flow again. And do whatever you want.

(01:37:11):
See with your thing. Well thanks for having me these.
Guys, man, anytime at all. I hope you do get something
going on with the phone line. I'm in, man.
I already had brain brain power session brainstorming a couple
nights ago with a friend of mine.
And basically it's going to be entirely what I want to do.
And we're not taking any money. We're not going to take any

(01:37:33):
sponsors because I have this thing with grifting, I guess.
And I see online, like, yeah, people pretend they care about a
cause, but only so much though. You give me $100 if I talk about
it, it's like, no, you'd be, youwould be saying keep your money,
man, and focus on what I'm talking about.
So locally, I don't have any mission.
There's no one I'm going after. I just want to amplify voices.
The tricky thing is how do you get people to call, you know,

(01:37:56):
you, you we talked about some ofthose solutions, but you know,
you kind of need like an AM radio station because like.
Yeah, who knows? We'll work it out.
We'll work it out because there's tons of live ways of
getting yourself live on the Internet.
We could share it online. I could talk to William Vavrick
at the Grand Prairie, Alberta Facebook page and say I will

(01:38:16):
make the official podcast of this group.
Yeah, bom, bom, bom. That's right.
You know what I mean? It could be the same
conversation. Hey, best Chinese food in town.
You know, like they're always talking about that.
Yeah, but there's tons of stuff like it's wide open.
GP. That's the best part.
GP open line. That's what we should be doing.
Yeah, well, all in. If you seen something crazy, you

(01:38:36):
got a crazy. Story, I think.
I think that's the idea, yeah. I don't know if you know what
VOCM open line is. I'll show you when it's a new
thing, but I'll show you. But this is the context of what
he's talking about. I'll show you what we mean.
Yeah. Yeah, dude, it's been like an
awesome thank you guys around 3 really mean I've been the
studio. Really means it.
Love it, love. It dude, third round in the

(01:38:57):
studio. Thanks for coming man.
We appreciate you having here and you always got great
insights, great stories, great even just life lessons.
Love it, love to learn, love it.Love it.
One up on Bill. Willitzer that's right.
That's. Right Hall of Fame.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
He's got to come back one more time to tie the record.

(01:39:20):
Ladies and gentlemen, it's been another episode of In the Year
Was 1985.

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