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June 20, 2025 โ€ข 35 mins

Many teams want AI to take over tasks, but Carlos Almeida thinks that automation comes later. Before you hand over the work, you need to understand it, control it, and measure it.

Carlos is the CEO and co-founder of Optave, where theyโ€™re building AI copilots and autopilots for customer support. In this conversation, he shares why the real work isnโ€™t in generating responses, but in building the systems around them: the guardrails, escalation triggers, and insights that make automation trustworthy.

We talk about what makes AI useful in day-to-day operations, why trust and visibility are more important than speed, and how focusing on metrics and manager tooling led Optave to better outcomes than competitors chasing 90% automation.

๐Ÿ”‘ What Youโ€™ll Learn in This Episode

๐Ÿ“Œ For AI Product Builders & Founders:

  • โœ… Why automation only works after youโ€™ve earned trust
  • โœ… What makes user interfaces more important than model capabilities
  • โœ… How to structure real-time feedback loops for humans and machines

๐Ÿ“Œ For Business & Ops Leaders:

  • โœ… How to spot empty AI promises (and what to ask instead)
  • โœ… Why control systems will be the next differentiator
  • โœ… How to measure AI success without hiding behind accuracy

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