If you think back, even two years ago, the menopause conversation was still really stifled, and worse yet, resources and information were minimal.
Enter our next guests to the podcast. Menopause pioneer, Gwen Harris, saw the need as far back as 2013 with the start of the Menopause Support Group. The organization grew organically to 11,000 members by 2018, and then Tina McDermott, a wellness coach, joined forces with Gwen.
The Menopause Support Group now spans the globe with well over 140,000 members in 120 countries, and out of this Menowave was born, an online, integrated care model for women in menopause.
Early menopause and perimenopause can ambush the unexpecting, leading to a storm of questions and concerns. Gwen and Tina join me in shining a beacon of hope for those navigating these tumultuous waters, detailing how their comprehensive health assessment bridges the gap between confusion and taking action.
Pack your bags for a journey to Sedona, where 'Menopalooza' promises an oasis of self-discovery and sisterhood. These retreats offer members and care providers an opportunity to connect in a more intimate setting. Life-long bonds are made between the attendees through the profound impact of community and support, rewriting the narrative of menopause, one story at a time.
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Michele Folan (00:00):
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Now on to the show Health,wellness, fitness, health
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wellness, fitness, relationshipsand everything in between.
We're removing the taboo fromwhat really matters in midlife.
I'm your host, Michele Folan,and this is Asking for a Friend.
Even two years ago, themenopause conversation was still
really stifled and, worse yet,resources and information were
really limited.
Enter our next guest.
(01:31):
Menopause pioneer Gwen Harrissaw the need as far back as 2013
, with the start of theMenopause Support Group on
Facebook.
The group grew organically toabout 11,000 members by 2018,
and then Tina McDermott, awellness coach, joined forces
(01:51):
with Gwen.
The menopause support group nowspans the globe to well over
140,000 members in 120 countries, and out of this, Menowave was
born, which is an onlineintegrative care model for women
in menopause.
Welcome to Asking for a Friend,Tina McDermott and Gwen Harris.
(02:14):
Hi, hi, it's really nice tomeet you both.
Hello, hi, I have to say I goton the menopause support group
Facebook page and I was floored.
The conversations that womenare having and the support of
(02:37):
all your members is astounding.
Congratulations, thank you.
Yeah, I mean I, after doingthis podcast for the last two
years, I have seen such holes inthe whole menopause
conversation and we are startingto see some changes right.
We're starting to see itbecoming a little more
(02:58):
mainstream.
But you, you all, were wayahead of your time, so it's
really congratulations, thankyou, thank you.
I would love for you to share,first of all, how you got
Menowave started.
But first of all, how did youtwo meet, gwen?
(03:19):
You take that one away.
Gwen Harris (03:22):
Okay, I'll take that one away.
Okay, I'll take that one away.
As you said, Michele, I startedthe menopause support group
back in 2013, 2013 out of my ownneed, because I was hit with a
ton of bricks by these horriblesymptoms and I happened to be a
crazy health nut and all thatgood stuff and couldn't
understand what I was goingthrough.
So, just out of my need forcommunity to find out if I was
(03:44):
alone in this journey or ifsomeone else was feeling this, I
started the group After GoodMorning America found me and
featured me on their show.
In January of 2018, the groupexploded and is continuing to
explode, and I came up with thisidea because women were
reaching out to me from all overthe world saying we need to get
(04:05):
together and do something fun,because girls love to get
together and have fun.
So I decided to form my owncruise company and start doing
cruises around the world forwomen, and what I did was in
order to find professionals likeTina, who are women, that offer
a solution to women.
Unlike me, I didn't have anyexpertise in menopause at the
(04:26):
time, I put a post in the groupand I asked women to reach out
to me if they had a solution towomen in menopause.
Tina was one of those womenthat reached out to me back in
2018.
And as we started collaboratingand working together very
quickly, we developed a trusting, close friendship.
(04:47):
And then, as Menoway wasbirthed in my brain during COVID
and I was sharing with her allthis divine inspiration that was
coming to me, I'll never forgetthe day that I called her up
and said I have a name, and shesaid Gwen, you, you got to do
something with this.
And I said okay, girl, are youwilling to put your money and
(05:08):
your efforts where your mouth isand join me on this venture?
And that's how it all happened.
Michele Folan (05:12):
Wow, Tina, you have anything to add.
Tina McDermott (05:16):
I love this group that we've nurtured over
the years and we've grown at146,000.
I think when I met you, wherewere we when we met you at
18,000?
I'm trying to remember.
It was low and we just explodedover these years.
It is an honor to be inbusiness with you and especially
(05:38):
to wrap our arms around as manywomen as we can to help them go
through menopause.
It's not fun to do this alone.
I remember my mom not havinganyone to talk to.
She's an immigrant and shedidn't like my mother-in-law
that much and didn't havesiblings and she was alone and I
feel that pain of hers.
(06:00):
And as I'm going throughmenopause and I'm just so
blessed I'm so blessed to haveGwen in my life I'm so blessed
blessed to have all of thesewomen in our group and all of
our care providers who will helpus wrap our arms around these
women and offer this love andthis support to, to let them
know that, a we hear you, byou're not alone and C you are
(06:26):
loved.
Michele Folan (06:27):
Yeah, you know, I had a guest recently on the
podcast and we were talkingabout our mothers and how it was
just one of those things.
Right, it was just, hey, youknow, menopause is menopause and
no one really talked about itand we found that sweeping it
under the rug obviously wasn'tdoing anyone ever any favors.
(06:51):
But I was curious, like whataha moments have you had in
regards to the gaps ininformation and care out there?
Gwen Harris (07:02):
Oh, wow.
That's a very loaded questionand I can tell you some aha
moments that really get to meNow that we do what we do and
now that we have this globalreach.
It actually brings me to tearsevery time.
I think about it and as Iinterview potential new care
providers and I tell them thisstory every time, I think this
(07:25):
is why we do what we do.
We send out newsletters at leastonce a week and, of course,
have our own podcast, but withthese newsletters I get lots of
responses to hear back fromwomen in Sri Lanka, Cambodia,
Thailand, Africa, India,countries around the world where
they do not have care, and theythank us for what we're doing
(07:48):
because they take ourinformation in the newsletters
and they've said we take it toour villages and we give this to
women that they have hope.
There is not enough money onthe planet to get a gift back
like that.
Knowing we have this globalreach into the villages of these
indigenous countries across theworld, that, to me, is my
(08:09):
biggest aha in what we do and,frankly, keeps me going when the
going gets rough.
Michele Folan (08:14):
You know, I was even going to ask you if you
would share, you know, a couplestories that you know keep you
getting out of bed in themorning, and I'm not sure you
can top that one.
Tina McDermott (08:27):
Gwen can probably top that one.
And I want to add something towhat Gwen said is that and I
hope I'm not disclosing too much, but I know many people know
that you were brought up inAfrica yeah, barefoot, and you
know so you have a heart forthese women who are in these
indigenous tribes and reallyyou've experienced it, you've
(08:51):
been there and for them to be.
I just got chills, gwen,because I it really just had.
I had my aha, wow.
That is what, why it reallygets to your soul and into your
cells when we send thesenewsletters out.
Michele Folan (09:10):
You know there is a population that I think
another population I should saythat gets overlooked, and I
think that is women who havegone through cancer because they
feel that their resources aresuper limited, because not all
of them are candidates for HRTeven, maybe even, vaginal
(09:31):
estrogen.
Have you found women in thatrealm to be clients of yours as
well?
Gwen Harris (09:39):
We have, and that's what the great thing is about
Menowave and our team of careproviders.
We have a wide range of careproviders all professionals that
are experts at what they do, toinclude functional medicine
doctors that don't believe inHRT, that believe in lifestyle
change, habit change, that givethe women the information, as an
(10:00):
expert, on how they can balancetheir hormones naturally,
without any help at all otherthan change of a lifestyle or
something like that.
And so at Menowave we reallytake care of the total woman,
you know mind, body, soul andspirit.
It's the whole thing.
And to have this wonderfulrange of over 40 care providers
(10:21):
now we have from around theworld that understand our vision
, understand our mission, whichour mission is to inspire women
to cruise the mental wave withgrace, gratitude, confidence and
ease.
And, yes, you can go at itwithout HR team, and we are
really blessed to have theseexperts on our team.
Tina McDermott (10:39):
And I'd like to add to that, if I may, just to
pick up on the cancer talk.
My sister passed away frombreast cancer some 11 years ago.
She had metastatic breastcancer.
She was diagnosed at the age of23, passed away at the age of
48.
And there's no way in the worldthat I would do HRT, the world
(11:08):
that I would do HRT.
I'm just, I'm not a candidateand I've done everything
naturally and literally havepretty much cruised through.
I'm not without my hills andvalleys and all of that, but I
really figured out a way,naturally, of how to be healthy
through menopause and even howto lose weight.
In menopause you can loseweight, you can control your
(11:29):
thyroid, you can, even ifwithout HRT, there are natural
ways to be at ease deitiesthrough all of this, yeah.
Michele Folan (11:39):
So, Tina, I am first of all very sorry about
your sister.
That's sad and just you know myheart goes out to you and your
family to lose someone thatyoung.
Another guest on my podcast wejust recorded recently, we
talked about this, about usingdiet and exercise and meditation
(12:02):
and stress relief, sleep allthese things that we may
overlook.
You know, hrt may not always bethe answer and to be, you know,
very transparent, I am on HRT,I had a hysterectomy years ago
(12:23):
and it's it's been great for me,but again, it's not for
everyone and not everyone wantsto take something.
So I think the fact that you'reoffering some alternatives is
is fantastic and I am curioushow you find I mean, you have a.
Actually, when I, when I lookedat the Menowave website, you
(12:45):
have a whole host of experts andresources for women.
How do you find your experts?
Tina McDermott (12:52):
They find us, michelle, they find you, they
find us, just like I found sheput out a post and I found her.
But for the most part theyreach out to us and and we
connect.
And yeah, gwen, for the mostpart does all of that okay,
that's.
Gwen Harris (13:11):
That's interesting, because they want to be part of
your program, because they'rethat passionate about it yeah,
yeah, menopause is being talkedabout now, know, and, as you
said earlier in the conversation, Michele, we started talking
about it way before Oprah did,and now that the word is out
there on the street, so to speak, people are really open to it
(13:32):
and I frankly think it, in anodd way, is being celebrated,
way is being celebrated, and soit's just kind of neat to see
how the transition has takensince 2013, when I started that
group, to where we are now.
The trend has definitelychanged and it's wonderful to be
a part of it and it's wonderfulto be offering solutions to
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women and being a friend,nothing else, knowing you're not
alone and that you are beingheard, and women know, when they
come to our group, that they'vefound their tribe, and that's a
big deal.
Michele Folan (14:07):
Yeah, I definitely saw that on the
private Facebook page.
I was, you know, scrollingthrough today and I mean it's
just so fun to see a woman askabout midlife weight gain and
people chiming in support andadvice.
And you know, you, we, I thinkin midlife we're all.
(14:28):
We're all very in tune withother women and we have this
support.
That's just that maybe mendon't necessarily have in their
midlife years, so I think we'revery lucky.
There's one thing that I didnotice, though there are a lot
(14:49):
of young women and when I sayyoung, 29, 30, 35 years old who
are either in perimenopause ormenopause.
That can be certainly veryscary to go through this that
early, particularly if youhaven't even had children yet,
right?
How are you able to help someof these women find resources
(15:13):
that will help them manage this?
Gwen Harris (15:17):
Well, with environmental toxicity and
surgically induced menopause,you know, cancer is so prevalent
, all that sort of stuff.
That's why we have women in thegroup that are young like that,
and it is scary, it's reallyscary.
And so the way it works I meanwe continue to add hundreds of
women a day to our group eversince we were on Good Morning
America and what we do withMenowave is, although Menowave
(15:40):
is a separate entity from theMenopause Support Group, the way
it works together is, when awoman joins our group, we
welcome her and then direct herback to our website to fill out
our very comprehensive onlinehealth assessment.
That health assessment, then,is availed to our care providers
.
The only people that haveaccess to that information are
(16:00):
our vetted care providers thatcan then, in turn, reach out to
these women and offer them care.
It's a big job.
We will never get it done.
We don't have enough careproviders, obviously, to service
the need, but all we can do iswhat we can do day in and day
out, and so, earlier as I said,we take care of the total woman,
(16:22):
and that has nothing to do withage.
It has to do with your mind,body, soul and spirit.
What are you going through, andthat's where we are, and that's
where our focus is.
Michele Folan (16:32):
So is there an actual coaching process?
So you sign up, you do the careassessment?
I'm kind of curious what thatlooks like.
Tina McDermott (16:42):
I can take that on if you'd like one.
Yeah, so a woman joins ourgroup and they can take the
assessment if they would like.
Right?
Our care providers see theseassessments and then they assess
.
Is this in my realm?
Is this about?
I'm about anxiety, for example,not me.
(17:03):
I'm about weight loss, right?
And if it's about weight loss,then I will follow up with them.
I will send them an email, sendthem a video, a little video of
me, a welcoming video, and thenI will get them on the phone
and talk to them.
How can?
What's going on with you?
They want to be heard.
(17:24):
They need to be heard.
They haven't been heard most oftheir life.
So, as a coach, I listen and Iask the appropriate questions
and if they are a candidate forone of my programs, I will lead
them into one of my programs.
If they're not a candidate forone of my programs, I will lead
them into one of my programs.
If they're not a candidate forone of my programs and they
(17:44):
really are a candidate foranother, one of our care
providers say they really needto work on their anxiety and I'm
not an expert in anxiety I willsend them to one of the other
care providers, and that's theway it works.
We have a whole system I don'tknow how a database that Gwen
(18:05):
and I oh my gosh we've beendeveloping.
We've been fingers to the boneworking on creating this huge
program to be able to filterthese women through to our care
provider.
So I hope that answers yourquestion.
Michele Folan (18:21):
Yeah, it does, and I think a lot of women feel
that their symptoms have beendismissed, that it's in their
head or here, here's some Prozacand why don't you go play
pickleball?
I just don't think women aregetting the answers, which is
why they are reaching out to you, because they are at that point
(18:45):
where you know they're, they'refrustrated.
So the fact that they know thisis a safe space and that
they're going to get listened to, um, you know, it's what a
fabulous resource, thank you.
I would love for you to share acouple of client success
stories, because I'm sure youhave many.
Tina McDermott (19:07):
I will share a success story of a woman going
through menopause, not realizingthat it was she was gaining
weight.
She knew she was gaining weight.
She blamed it on thyroid issues, she blamed it on Lyme disease,
(19:28):
she blamed it on menopause.
Then she had menopause to blameit on right, and it was okay
for her to gain five pounds ayear.
That's fine.
I'm blaming it on this.
It's just a phase that I'mgoing through, or that she's
going through.
Well, if you haven't alreadyguessed, it's me.
I'm telling you about me.
This is my journey.
(19:49):
Buying all larger clothes justto fit the menopausal body and
this is coming from a healthprofessional, right.
And I lost 20 pounds over thelast several months and I did it
sustainably.
I did it, um, very easy and itcame off a lot in the beginning,
(20:15):
but then it's like one or twopounds every other week, right.
And I'm telling you the successstory because I have
Hashimoto's, I have sufferedthrough Lyme, I've suffered
through all of that and I can'tdo HRT.
Oh, poor me, right?
No, it's not for me.
And I made a decision Gwenhelped me make this decision, by
(20:38):
the way I made a decision thatI'm going to be the healthiest
version of me and then I made ithappen.
And it's the same with thewomen in the group we have had
through our care providersbecause, look, I've had many of
my clients lose weight.
Right, it's not just me, manyof my clients just turn their
(21:00):
entire life around, get rid ofmigraines, fit into their
clothes that they've never fitinto before and wow, like I was
wowed at myself once I made thedecision that it's not that
difficult to lose weight and itcan happen.
And there's many, many, manystories within our group that
people were just floored,working with our care providers,
(21:24):
of how they can turn theirhealth around by working with
one of our doctors, our nurses,our coaches.
So it's what gets me up in themorning with grace and gratitude
and appreciation and love andwant to get back to work and
(21:46):
continue.
Gwen Harris (21:47):
I have a pretty cool story about someone in our
group.
She has been a member of ourgroup for quite some time and
because the group is so big, itis impossible unless they reach
out to us specifically to knowwhat's going on.
This woman worked for a longtime for the United Nations she
(22:07):
is not an ambassador but mightas well be and has lived all
over the world.
She was a very confident woman,basically worked on boards with
men and she said her words wereI could own these men because I
have that confidence to ownthese men working for the UN.
When she did not know she wasin menopause.
(22:30):
She thought she had Alzheimer'sbecause, she said, I started
very quickly to digress to theplace that I could no longer
write the reports or evenunderstand the reports, that I
could no longer write thereports or even understand the
reports that I would print out.
She said I developed such afear of being around people and
got to the place that I knew Icould not even attend one of
(22:51):
these board meetings again.
I couldn't be in the presenceof those men because I had no
confidence.
Obviously, then her anxietywent through the roof.
Do you know?
It was all menopause brain.
She actually had to quit herjob.
She could no longer function onthe job.
She went on her own journeyaround the world in different
places.
She said I visited monks.
(23:12):
She said I went to shaman, Iwent to all this kind of stuff,
found the menopause supportgroup and she said, through
seeing and reading in themenopause support group first of
all, that she's not alone andreading the stories of anxiety
and brain fog and brain issues,that gave her the courage to say
I don't have alzheimer's.
She ultimately then became amenopause coach.
(23:34):
Ah, and she actually reachedout to me because she was a
member of our group, saw thework that we did, realized she
was not alone, said oh my gosh,this.
Or saw the stories of otherpeople, um, and one of our care
providers that does quite a fewlives in there said oh my gosh.
So she went on her owntrajectory to take care of
(23:56):
herself and now is a menopausecoach herself.
Michele Folan (23:59):
Talk about redefining yourself and jumping
into a new chapter of life.
I mean, that's phenomenal.
Gwen Harris (24:07):
Yeah, pretty amazing.
Yes, absolutely, you just neverknow, with a group this size,
who you're reaching.
It can be that person in thatvillage in an indigenous country
, or it could be someone thatworks for the UN.
Michele Folan (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, but when people are at their wits
end and they're not gettinganswers from their medical
providers, they'll find youright, they do.
So.
You have a newsletter and youalso offer girlfriend getaway
(24:39):
retreats, and I'd love to hear alittle bit more about these
retreats and what your, whatyour goal is with them.
I, we call them.
We call them menopaloozas,menopaloozas.
Tina McDermott (24:52):
I love it.
We love it.
We call them menopaloozasbecause we want to have fun and
we also want to embrace thesewomen and we want to wrap our
arms around their necks, as Gwenwould say in person, and give
them the support, the education,with our seminars.
(25:12):
Our care providers are going tobe there offering seminars and
they're going to come away witha workbook that we're creating a
workbook for and sections foreach of our care providers so
that they can come away withtheir own blueprint of how they
can be supported throughmenopause, through this journey
in their life.
We are beyond excited.
(25:36):
Gwen and I are heading out toSedona in a couple of days and
our retreat is going to be thisNovember in Sedona, one of the
energy hotspots of the world,one of them, and that is where
we're going to do our retreat,so women can can come to them
and literally retreat and bewith a sisterhood of people who
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understand who they are, whatthey're going through and
support them throughout.
Beyond excited, beyond excited.
Gwen, anything else you want tosay?
Gwen Harris (26:12):
Yeah, I'm just going to say the name,
menopalooza.
Also, we want to keep it funand we have a lot of care
providers as well that showcasewonderful products as well, as
there's global companies that wehave campaigned with, our most
recent being Cozy Earth.
They offer bamboo sheets andjammies and all that kind of
stuff.
Kendra is one of them, menowellis one of them.
(26:33):
I mean, these companies find usand reach out to us is one of
them, menowell is one of them.
These companies find us andreach out to us.
So we want to make our eventkind of like a mini trade show
too, where they can showcasetheir products, so the women
benefit from the products aswell as the seminars, and then
just have a time of rejuvenation.
And what better place thanSedona.
Michele Folan (26:51):
Well, and I bet these women get to meet in
person and they form lifelongfriendships.
Gwen Harris (26:56):
Oh, yeah, that is yes, it's something to be, you
know, seeing each othervirtually.
It's very different when you'relooking eyeball to eyeball.
Michele Folan (27:06):
Absolutely.
I ask all my guests about theirpillars of self-care and I was
wondering if you would eachshare something that is
important to you in regard toyour own self-care.
And I was wondering if youwould each share something that
is important to you in regard toyour own self-care.
Tina McDermott (27:20):
I have many pillars of my self-care.
I'm going to tell you what ismy most, most most important
pillar of self-care, and that isexercise.
One of the things that I doalmost every single morning is I
take the dogs for a walk,getting sunshine on my face the
(27:41):
morning sunshine, especially theseeing the sunrise.
When it's dark out, I actuallysleep a little later and wait
for the sun to come out so I cango walk and see the sun for a
minute.
I mean, we walk for almost anhour, but it's amazing the way
that my day gets set updifferently when I do my walk,
versus it's a pouring out rainthat day and I don't get to go
(28:04):
outside.
It's a whole different feel tomy cells and my cells in my body
.
And I'm also a cyclist.
So exercise has always been apriority in my life because I've
always been hyperactive, sinceI was a kid and suffered a lot
of anxiety and in depression.
And it was the bicycle, it wasexercise that pulled me through.
(28:26):
And as I'm maturing, yes, I dovigorous exercise, just not
every day like I used to, butwalking is a staple.
Walking is a staple, it's justsomething very natural and it
feels like, yes, this is what myhuman body is supposed to be
doing every single morning, onefoot in front of the other,
(28:48):
breathing fresh air, seeing thesunshine and, of course, being
with my, the loves of my life,my dogs and my husband.
Michele Folan (28:55):
Husband, he doesn't come walking with and
he's working, but shout out tothe husband don't want him to
feel forgotten how about you,gwen?
Gwen Harris (29:06):
well, that's easy for me.
Um, I, before I even get out ofbed, I I have another facebook
group that I started called thegratitude group, and the very,
very first thing I do before Ido anything is post something in
the gratitude group to set mymind, my spirit, everything up
for gratitude, because that'sjust what I believe in.
(29:27):
The second thing I do rightaway is, after I get up and open
the blinds.
I literally look into theheavens and just say you know
what, dear God, I can do thenext 12 hours with you, and I
choose to live life veryintentionally, and when you do
that, it nourishes your soul ina way that nothing else does.
(29:50):
You notice the little, tinythings around you.
When you live life withintention and you dumb it down
that you don't have to worryabout tomorrow, it's just today
that you're living, and I haveto say that I've been practicing
that now specifically foralmost a year.
And then I'm also a mountainclimber, and here in the Pacific
Northwest, where I live, wehave lots of beautiful mountains
(30:11):
.
And so that is yes.
Michele Folan (30:14):
Yes, You're very fortunate.
I'm sure it's lovely.
It is lovely.
I would also like for you totell the listeners how they can
find you, your podcast, yourwebsite and the private Facebook
group.
Tina McDermott (30:32):
Okay, so the website is menowaveorg
M-E-n-o-w-a-v-eorg, and they canalso find us on
menowaveretreatscom.
You can get there frommenowaveorg.
They can find us on themenowave menopause support group
(30:52):
on facebook.
If you want links, I can sendthem to you, and we're also on
Instagram and what else.
What was the other questionthat you asked?
We guys have a podcast.
Yeah, it's Hot Flashes and CoolConversations, right, it's
called the MetaWave Lounge.
The MetaWave Lounge.
The tagline is Hot Flashes andCool Conversations.
Michele Folan (31:17):
The tagline is hot flashes and cool
conversations.
I will put all of that in theshow notes.
Ladies Tina McDermott, gwenHarris, thank you so much for
being a guest on Asking for aFriend.
Thank you.
Tina McDermott (31:32):
Thank you, Michelle.
Thank you, Michelle.
We're honored to be here.
Michele Folan (31:39):
Thank you, Michelle.
Thank you, Michelle.
We're honored to be here.
Thank you so much.
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Even two years ago, themenopause conversation was still
really stifled and, worse yet,resources and information were
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Menopause pioneer Gwen Harrissaw the need as far back as 2013
, with the start of theMenopause Support Group on
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and then Tina McDermott, awellness coach, joined forces
(01:51):
with Gwen.
The menopause support group nowspans the globe to well over
140,000 members in 120 countries, and out of this, Menowave was
born, which is an onlineintegrative care model for women
in menopause.
Welcome to Asking for a Friend,Tina McDermott and Gwen Harris.
(02:14):
Hi, hi, it's really nice tomeet you both.
Hello, hi, I have to say I goton the menopause support group
Facebook page and I was floored.
The conversations that womenare having and the support of
(02:37):
all your members is astounding.
Congratulations, thank you.
Yeah, I mean I, after doingthis podcast for the last two
years, I have seen such holes inthe whole menopause
conversation and we are startingto see some changes right.
We're starting to see itbecoming a little more
(02:58):
mainstream.
But you, you all, were wayahead of your time, so it's
really congratulations, thankyou, thank you.
I would love for you to share,first of all, how you got
Menowave started.
But first of all, how did youtwo meet, gwen?
(03:19):
You take that one away.
Gwen Harris (03:22):
Okay, I'll take that one away.
Okay, I'll take that one away.
As you said, Michele, I startedthe menopause support group
back in 2013, 2013 out of my ownneed, because I was hit with a
ton of bricks by these horriblesymptoms and I happened to be a
crazy health nut and all thatgood stuff and couldn't
understand what I was goingthrough.
So, just out of my need forcommunity to find out if I was
(03:44):
alone in this journey or ifsomeone else was feeling this, I
started the group After GoodMorning America found me and
featured me on their show.
In January of 2018, the groupexploded and is continuing to
explode, and I came up with thisidea because women were
reaching out to me from all overthe world saying we need to get
(04:05):
together and do something fun,because girls love to get
together and have fun.
So I decided to form my owncruise company and start doing
cruises around the world forwomen, and what I did was in
order to find professionals likeTina, who are women, that offer
a solution to women.
Unlike me, I didn't have anyexpertise in menopause at the
(04:26):
time, I put a post in the groupand I asked women to reach out
to me if they had a solution towomen in menopause.
Tina was one of those womenthat reached out to me back in
2018.
And as we started collaboratingand working together very
quickly, we developed a trusting, close friendship.
(04:47):
And then, as Menoway wasbirthed in my brain during COVID
and I was sharing with her allthis divine inspiration that was
coming to me, I'll never forgetthe day that I called her up
and said I have a name, and shesaid Gwen, you, you got to do
something with this.
And I said okay, girl, are youwilling to put your money and
(05:08):
your efforts where your mouth isand join me on this venture?
And that's how it all happened.
Michele Folan (05:12):
Wow, Tina, you have anything to add.
Tina McDermott (05:16):
I love this group that we've nurtured over
the years and we've grown at146,000.
I think when I met you, wherewere we when we met you at
18,000?
I'm trying to remember.
It was low and we just explodedover these years.
It is an honor to be inbusiness with you and especially
(05:38):
to wrap our arms around as manywomen as we can to help them go
through menopause.
It's not fun to do this alone.
I remember my mom not havinganyone to talk to.
She's an immigrant and shedidn't like my mother-in-law
that much and didn't havesiblings and she was alone and I
feel that pain of hers.
(06:00):
And as I'm going throughmenopause and I'm just so
blessed I'm so blessed to haveGwen in my life I'm so blessed
blessed to have all of thesewomen in our group and all of
our care providers who will helpus wrap our arms around these
women and offer this love andthis support to, to let them
know that, a we hear you, byou're not alone and C you are
(06:26):
loved.
Michele Folan (06:27):
Yeah, you know, I had a guest recently on the
podcast and we were talkingabout our mothers and how it was
just one of those things.
Right, it was just, hey, youknow, menopause is menopause and
no one really talked about itand we found that sweeping it
under the rug obviously wasn'tdoing anyone ever any favors.
(06:51):
But I was curious, like whataha moments have you had in
regards to the gaps ininformation and care out there?
Gwen Harris (07:02):
Oh, wow.
That's a very loaded questionand I can tell you some aha
moments that really get to meNow that we do what we do and
now that we have this globalreach.
It actually brings me to tearsevery time.
I think about it and as Iinterview potential new care
providers and I tell them thisstory every time, I think this
(07:25):
is why we do what we do.
We send out newsletters at leastonce a week and, of course,
have our own podcast, but withthese newsletters I get lots of
responses to hear back fromwomen in Sri Lanka, Cambodia,
Thailand, Africa, India,countries around the world where
they do not have care, and theythank us for what we're doing
(07:48):
because they take ourinformation in the newsletters
and they've said we take it toour villages and we give this to
women that they have hope.
There is not enough money onthe planet to get a gift back
like that.
Knowing we have this globalreach into the villages of these
indigenous countries across theworld, that, to me, is my
(08:09):
biggest aha in what we do and,frankly, keeps me going when the
going gets rough.
Michele Folan (08:14):
You know, I was even going to ask you if you
would share, you know, a couplestories that you know keep you
getting out of bed in themorning, and I'm not sure you
can top that one.
Tina McDermott (08:27):
Gwen can probably top that one.
And I want to add something towhat Gwen said is that and I
hope I'm not disclosing too much, but I know many people know
that you were brought up inAfrica yeah, barefoot, and you
know so you have a heart forthese women who are in these
indigenous tribes and reallyyou've experienced it, you've
(08:51):
been there and for them to be.
I just got chills, gwen,because I it really just had.
I had my aha, wow.
That is what, why it reallygets to your soul and into your
cells when we send thesenewsletters out.
Michele Folan (09:10):
You know there is a population that I think
another population I should saythat gets overlooked, and I
think that is women who havegone through cancer because they
feel that their resources aresuper limited, because not all
of them are candidates for HRTeven, maybe even, vaginal
(09:31):
estrogen.
Have you found women in thatrealm to be clients of yours as
well?
Gwen Harris (09:39):
We have, and that's what the great thing is about
Menowave and our team of careproviders.
We have a wide range of careproviders all professionals that
are experts at what they do, toinclude functional medicine
doctors that don't believe inHRT, that believe in lifestyle
change, habit change, that givethe women the information, as an
(10:00):
expert, on how they can balancetheir hormones naturally,
without any help at all otherthan change of a lifestyle or
something like that.
And so at Menowave we reallytake care of the total woman,
you know mind, body, soul andspirit.
It's the whole thing.
And to have this wonderfulrange of over 40 care providers
(10:21):
now we have from around theworld that understand our vision
, understand our mission, whichour mission is to inspire women
to cruise the mental wave withgrace, gratitude, confidence and
ease.
And, yes, you can go at itwithout HR team, and we are
really blessed to have theseexperts on our team.
Tina McDermott (10:39):
And I'd like to add to that, if I may, just to
pick up on the cancer talk.
My sister passed away frombreast cancer some 11 years ago.
She had metastatic breastcancer.
She was diagnosed at the age of23, passed away at the age of
48.
And there's no way in the worldthat I would do HRT, the world
(11:08):
that I would do HRT.
I'm just, I'm not a candidateand I've done everything
naturally and literally havepretty much cruised through.
I'm not without my hills andvalleys and all of that, but I
really figured out a way,naturally, of how to be healthy
through menopause and even howto lose weight.
In menopause you can loseweight, you can control your
(11:29):
thyroid, you can, even ifwithout HRT, there are natural
ways to be at ease deitiesthrough all of this, yeah.
Michele Folan (11:39):
So, Tina, I am first of all very sorry about
your sister.
That's sad and just you know myheart goes out to you and your
family to lose someone thatyoung.
Another guest on my podcast wejust recorded recently, we
talked about this, about usingdiet and exercise and meditation
(12:02):
and stress relief, sleep allthese things that we may
overlook.
You know, hrt may not always bethe answer and to be, you know,
very transparent, I am on HRT,I had a hysterectomy years ago
(12:23):
and it's it's been great for me,but again, it's not for
everyone and not everyone wantsto take something.
So I think the fact that you'reoffering some alternatives is
is fantastic and I am curioushow you find I mean, you have a.
Actually, when I, when I lookedat the Menowave website, you
(12:45):
have a whole host of experts andresources for women.
How do you find your experts?
Tina McDermott (12:52):
They find us, michelle, they find you, they
find us, just like I found sheput out a post and I found her.
But for the most part theyreach out to us and and we
connect.
And yeah, gwen, for the mostpart does all of that okay,
that's.
Gwen Harris (13:11):
That's interesting, because they want to be part of
your program, because they'rethat passionate about it yeah,
yeah, menopause is being talkedabout now, know, and, as you
said earlier in the conversation, Michele, we started talking
about it way before Oprah did,and now that the word is out
there on the street, so to speak, people are really open to it
(13:32):
and I frankly think it, in anodd way, is being celebrated,
way is being celebrated, and soit's just kind of neat to see
how the transition has takensince 2013, when I started that
group, to where we are now.
The trend has definitelychanged and it's wonderful to be
a part of it and it's wonderfulto be offering solutions to
(13:54):
women and being a friend,nothing else, knowing you're not
alone and that you are beingheard, and women know, when they
come to our group, that they'vefound their tribe, and that's a
big deal.
Michele Folan (14:07):
Yeah, I definitely saw that on the
private Facebook page.
I was, you know, scrollingthrough today and I mean it's
just so fun to see a woman askabout midlife weight gain and
people chiming in support andadvice.
And you know, you, we, I thinkin midlife we're all.
(14:28):
We're all very in tune withother women and we have this
support.
That's just that maybe mendon't necessarily have in their
midlife years, so I think we'revery lucky.
There's one thing that I didnotice, though there are a lot
(14:49):
of young women and when I sayyoung, 29, 30, 35 years old who
are either in perimenopause ormenopause.
That can be certainly veryscary to go through this that
early, particularly if youhaven't even had children yet,
right?
How are you able to help someof these women find resources
(15:13):
that will help them manage this?
Gwen Harris (15:17):
Well, with environmental toxicity and
surgically induced menopause,you know, cancer is so prevalent
, all that sort of stuff.
That's why we have women in thegroup that are young like that,
and it is scary, it's reallyscary.
And so the way it works I meanwe continue to add hundreds of
women a day to our group eversince we were on Good Morning
America and what we do withMenowave is, although Menowave
(15:40):
is a separate entity from theMenopause Support Group, the way
it works together is, when awoman joins our group, we
welcome her and then direct herback to our website to fill out
our very comprehensive onlinehealth assessment.
That health assessment, then,is availed to our care providers
.
The only people that haveaccess to that information are
(16:00):
our vetted care providers thatcan then, in turn, reach out to
these women and offer them care.
It's a big job.
We will never get it done.
We don't have enough careproviders, obviously, to service
the need, but all we can do iswhat we can do day in and day
out, and so, earlier as I said,we take care of the total woman,
(16:22):
and that has nothing to do withage.
It has to do with your mind,body, soul and spirit.
What are you going through, andthat's where we are, and that's
where our focus is.
Michele Folan (16:32):
So is there an actual coaching process?
So you sign up, you do the careassessment?
I'm kind of curious what thatlooks like.
Tina McDermott (16:42):
I can take that on if you'd like one.
Yeah, so a woman joins ourgroup and they can take the
assessment if they would like.
Right?
Our care providers see theseassessments and then they assess
.
Is this in my realm?
Is this about?
I'm about anxiety, for example,not me.
(17:03):
I'm about weight loss, right?
And if it's about weight loss,then I will follow up with them.
I will send them an email, sendthem a video, a little video of
me, a welcoming video, and thenI will get them on the phone
and talk to them.
How can?
What's going on with you?
They want to be heard.
(17:24):
They need to be heard.
They haven't been heard most oftheir life.
So, as a coach, I listen and Iask the appropriate questions
and if they are a candidate forone of my programs, I will lead
them into one of my programs.
If they're not a candidate forone of my programs, I will lead
them into one of my programs.
If they're not a candidate forone of my programs and they
(17:44):
really are a candidate foranother, one of our care
providers say they really needto work on their anxiety and I'm
not an expert in anxiety I willsend them to one of the other
care providers, and that's theway it works.
We have a whole system I don'tknow how a database that Gwen
(18:05):
and I oh my gosh we've beendeveloping.
We've been fingers to the boneworking on creating this huge
program to be able to filterthese women through to our care
provider.
So I hope that answers yourquestion.
Michele Folan (18:21):
Yeah, it does, and I think a lot of women feel
that their symptoms have beendismissed, that it's in their
head or here, here's some Prozacand why don't you go play
pickleball?
I just don't think women aregetting the answers, which is
why they are reaching out to you, because they are at that point
(18:45):
where you know they're, they'refrustrated.
So the fact that they know thisis a safe space and that
they're going to get listened to, um, you know, it's what a
fabulous resource, thank you.
I would love for you to share acouple of client success
stories, because I'm sure youhave many.
Tina McDermott (19:07):
I will share a success story of a woman going
through menopause, not realizingthat it was she was gaining
weight.
She knew she was gaining weight.
She blamed it on thyroid issues, she blamed it on Lyme disease,
(19:28):
she blamed it on menopause.
Then she had menopause to blameit on right, and it was okay
for her to gain five pounds ayear.
That's fine.
I'm blaming it on this.
It's just a phase that I'mgoing through, or that she's
going through.
Well, if you haven't alreadyguessed, it's me.
I'm telling you about me.
This is my journey.
(19:49):
Buying all larger clothes justto fit the menopausal body and
this is coming from a healthprofessional, right.
And I lost 20 pounds over thelast several months and I did it
sustainably.
I did it, um, very easy and itcame off a lot in the beginning,
(20:15):
but then it's like one or twopounds every other week, right.
And I'm telling you the successstory because I have
Hashimoto's, I have sufferedthrough Lyme, I've suffered
through all of that and I can'tdo HRT.
Oh, poor me, right?
No, it's not for me.
And I made a decision Gwenhelped me make this decision, by
(20:38):
the way I made a decision thatI'm going to be the healthiest
version of me and then I made ithappen.
And it's the same with thewomen in the group we have had
through our care providersbecause, look, I've had many of
my clients lose weight.
Right, it's not just me, manyof my clients just turn their
(21:00):
entire life around, get rid ofmigraines, fit into their
clothes that they've never fitinto before and wow, like I was
wowed at myself once I made thedecision that it's not that
difficult to lose weight and itcan happen.
And there's many, many, manystories within our group that
people were just floored,working with our care providers,
(21:24):
of how they can turn theirhealth around by working with
one of our doctors, our nurses,our coaches.
So it's what gets me up in themorning with grace and gratitude
and appreciation and love andwant to get back to work and
(21:46):
continue.
Gwen Harris (21:47):
I have a pretty cool story about someone in our
group.
She has been a member of ourgroup for quite some time and
because the group is so big, itis impossible unless they reach
out to us specifically to knowwhat's going on.
This woman worked for a longtime for the United Nations she
(22:07):
is not an ambassador but mightas well be and has lived all
over the world.
She was a very confident woman,basically worked on boards with
men and she said her words wereI could own these men because I
have that confidence to ownthese men working for the UN.
When she did not know she wasin menopause.
(22:30):
She thought she had Alzheimer'sbecause, she said, I started
very quickly to digress to theplace that I could no longer
write the reports or evenunderstand the reports, that I
could no longer write thereports or even understand the
reports that I would print out.
She said I developed such afear of being around people and
got to the place that I knew Icould not even attend one of
(22:51):
these board meetings again.
I couldn't be in the presenceof those men because I had no
confidence.
Obviously, then her anxietywent through the roof.
Do you know?
It was all menopause brain.
She actually had to quit herjob.
She could no longer function onthe job.
She went on her own journeyaround the world in different
places.
She said I visited monks.
(23:12):
She said I went to shaman, Iwent to all this kind of stuff,
found the menopause supportgroup and she said, through
seeing and reading in themenopause support group first of
all, that she's not alone andreading the stories of anxiety
and brain fog and brain issues,that gave her the courage to say
I don't have alzheimer's.
She ultimately then became amenopause coach.
(23:34):
Ah, and she actually reachedout to me because she was a
member of our group, saw thework that we did, realized she
was not alone, said oh my gosh,this.
Or saw the stories of otherpeople, um, and one of our care
providers that does quite a fewlives in there said oh my gosh.
So she went on her owntrajectory to take care of
(23:56):
herself and now is a menopausecoach herself.
Michele Folan (23:59):
Talk about redefining yourself and jumping
into a new chapter of life.
I mean, that's phenomenal.
Gwen Harris (24:07):
Yeah, pretty amazing.
Yes, absolutely, you just neverknow, with a group this size,
who you're reaching.
It can be that person in thatvillage in an indigenous country
, or it could be someone thatworks for the UN.
Michele Folan (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, but when people are at their wits
end and they're not gettinganswers from their medical
providers, they'll find youright, they do.
So.
You have a newsletter and youalso offer girlfriend getaway
(24:39):
retreats, and I'd love to hear alittle bit more about these
retreats and what your, whatyour goal is with them.
I, we call them.
We call them menopaloozas,menopaloozas.
Tina McDermott (24:52):
I love it.
We love it.
We call them menopaloozasbecause we want to have fun and
we also want to embrace thesewomen and we want to wrap our
arms around their necks, as Gwenwould say in person, and give
them the support, the education,with our seminars.
(25:12):
Our care providers are going tobe there offering seminars and
they're going to come away witha workbook that we're creating a
workbook for and sections foreach of our care providers so
that they can come away withtheir own blueprint of how they
can be supported throughmenopause, through this journey
in their life.
We are beyond excited.
(25:36):
Gwen and I are heading out toSedona in a couple of days and
our retreat is going to be thisNovember in Sedona, one of the
energy hotspots of the world,one of them, and that is where
we're going to do our retreat,so women can can come to them
and literally retreat and bewith a sisterhood of people who
(26:01):
understand who they are, whatthey're going through and
support them throughout.
Beyond excited, beyond excited.
Gwen, anything else you want tosay?
Gwen Harris (26:12):
Yeah, I'm just going to say the name,
menopalooza.
Also, we want to keep it funand we have a lot of care
providers as well that showcasewonderful products as well, as
there's global companies that wehave campaigned with, our most
recent being Cozy Earth.
They offer bamboo sheets andjammies and all that kind of
stuff.
Kendra is one of them, menowellis one of them.
(26:33):
I mean, these companies find usand reach out to us is one of
them, menowell is one of them.
These companies find us andreach out to us.
So we want to make our eventkind of like a mini trade show
too, where they can showcasetheir products, so the women
benefit from the products aswell as the seminars, and then
just have a time of rejuvenation.
And what better place thanSedona.
Michele Folan (26:51):
Well, and I bet these women get to meet in
person and they form lifelongfriendships.
Gwen Harris (26:56):
Oh, yeah, that is yes, it's something to be, you
know, seeing each othervirtually.
It's very different when you'relooking eyeball to eyeball.
Michele Folan (27:06):
Absolutely.
I ask all my guests about theirpillars of self-care and I was
wondering if you would eachshare something that is
important to you in regard toyour own self-care.
And I was wondering if youwould each share something that
is important to you in regard toyour own self-care.
Tina McDermott (27:20):
I have many pillars of my self-care.
I'm going to tell you what ismy most, most most important
pillar of self-care, and that isexercise.
One of the things that I doalmost every single morning is I
take the dogs for a walk,getting sunshine on my face the
(27:41):
morning sunshine, especially theseeing the sunrise.
When it's dark out, I actuallysleep a little later and wait
for the sun to come out so I cango walk and see the sun for a
minute.
I mean, we walk for almost anhour, but it's amazing the way
that my day gets set updifferently when I do my walk,
versus it's a pouring out rainthat day and I don't get to go
(28:04):
outside.
It's a whole different feel tomy cells and my cells in my body
.
And I'm also a cyclist.
So exercise has always been apriority in my life because I've
always been hyperactive, sinceI was a kid and suffered a lot
of anxiety and in depression.
And it was the bicycle, it wasexercise that pulled me through.
(28:26):
And as I'm maturing, yes, I dovigorous exercise, just not
every day like I used to, butwalking is a staple.
Walking is a staple, it's justsomething very natural and it
feels like, yes, this is what myhuman body is supposed to be
doing every single morning, onefoot in front of the other,
(28:48):
breathing fresh air, seeing thesunshine and, of course, being
with my, the loves of my life,my dogs and my husband.
Michele Folan (28:55):
Husband, he doesn't come walking with and
he's working, but shout out tothe husband don't want him to
feel forgotten how about you,gwen?
Gwen Harris (29:06):
well, that's easy for me.
Um, I, before I even get out ofbed, I I have another facebook
group that I started called thegratitude group, and the very,
very first thing I do before Ido anything is post something in
the gratitude group to set mymind, my spirit, everything up
for gratitude, because that'sjust what I believe in.
(29:27):
The second thing I do rightaway is, after I get up and open
the blinds.
I literally look into theheavens and just say you know
what, dear God, I can do thenext 12 hours with you, and I
choose to live life veryintentionally, and when you do
that, it nourishes your soul ina way that nothing else does.
(29:50):
You notice the little, tinythings around you.
When you live life withintention and you dumb it down
that you don't have to worryabout tomorrow, it's just today
that you're living, and I haveto say that I've been practicing
that now specifically foralmost a year.
And then I'm also a mountainclimber, and here in the Pacific
Northwest, where I live, wehave lots of beautiful mountains
(30:11):
.
And so that is yes.
Michele Folan (30:14):
Yes, You're very fortunate.
I'm sure it's lovely.
It is lovely.
I would also like for you totell the listeners how they can
find you, your podcast, yourwebsite and the private Facebook
group.
Tina McDermott (30:32):
Okay, so the website is menowaveorg
M-E-n-o-w-a-v-eorg, and they canalso find us on
menowaveretreatscom.
You can get there frommenowaveorg.
They can find us on themenowave menopause support group
(30:52):
on facebook.
If you want links, I can sendthem to you, and we're also on
Instagram and what else.
What was the other questionthat you asked?
We guys have a podcast.
Yeah, it's Hot Flashes and CoolConversations, right, it's
called the MetaWave Lounge.
The MetaWave Lounge.
The tagline is Hot Flashes andCool Conversations.
Michele Folan (31:17):
The tagline is hot flashes and cool
conversations.
I will put all of that in theshow notes.
Ladies Tina McDermott, gwenHarris, thank you so much for
being a guest on Asking for aFriend.
Thank you.
Tina McDermott (31:32):
Thank you, Michelle.
Thank you, Michelle.
We're honored to be here.
Michele Folan (31:39):
Thank you, Michelle.
Thank you, Michelle.
We're honored to be here.
Thank you so much.
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