Adoh Doherty - Athletes in Motion Podcast - Athletes in Motion

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Narrator (00:10):
Welcome to the athletes in motion podcast from
race to recovery. With yourhosts Tom regal and Kenny Bailey

Tom Regal (00:19):
Hey Kenny, how you doing?

Kenny Bailey
(00:31):
I'm doing fantastic. Tom, how are you?

Tom Regal (00:32):
I'm fantastic as well. We have a great guest
today. Adoh Doherty, who's herewho is a US Men's elite
triathlete pro like kicking assin the short course world and
that's why we're super happy tohave him here because we're
talking about short course. Yes,loving it. Olympic distance

(00:53):
sprint distance. None of thislong course BS. So, super
excited to have you here. Aidowelcome. Give us your
background. What's your story?
How are you doing?

Adoh Doherty (01:04):
Yeah, so thank you guys so much for having me. This
is exciting show. Of course, alot of people think triathlon
and then they're like, oh,Ironman, you know half. So I
hear this all the time stuck tohave people that love the Short
Course World warms my heart isnice, but my name is Aido from
Boston, Massachusetts,professional track,

Tom Regal (01:22):
which helps as well, Boston. Yeah. Yeah,

there we go. He's done with us. Yeah. But I have
been racing triathlonprofessionally for two and a
half years. And I started as arun back round ran track and
cross country at the Universityof Oklahoma Boomer Sooner. And
then I transitioned to triathlonin June of 2020.

Tom Regal (01:46):
Nice, what drew you to triathlon?

So to lose a bit, no, I know, sometimes I look
back and I'm like, Man, how didthis all start? But actually,
the journey began, it always wasand always has been the Olympic
dream. So my this is, this is mystory. If you know me, you know
this story. But my father was aWorld Class runner, he ran track
at the elite level. And at hishighest level, he was Olympic

(02:12):
caliber. And he never made theteam. Wow, boycotted the games.
And he didn't have the supportto further his career. So I
carried the Olympic burden, ifyou will, so and I thought it
was going to be in track andfield. Yeah. And, and then by
the end of my running career asa super senior, I owe you. It
just wasn't happening. Yeah, alot of stuff has happened in the
sport. So I'd made thetransition. Did you

Kenny Bailey
(02:34):
know is that something that you put upon
yourself on being the Olympicdream, or is that something
like, was it part of what yourdad wanted to or was it you're
like, hey, I want to live thedream. He wasn't able to live?

Yes. Yeah. I'd say it's more like I'm going to do.
I'm going to do this weather.
Yeah, exactly. My dad startedthis journey. And I'm finishing
it. Yeah. He, my family providedme a better life than they had.
And it's my job, my opportunity,my pressure, which is an
opportunity to fulfill the restof the journey, because it's not
my Olympic dream, or my Olympicgoal. It's our Olympic goal.

Kenny Bailey
(03:08):
So when you when you came to the
realization, like you said, youwere a super senior at Oklahoma?
Yep. It was like, Okay. This mayI mean, at what point did you
did you know, okay, that'sprobably not going to be that
path. That's yeah, I mean, wasit a tough thing for you to kind
of make that realization? Wasit? Yeah. Or was it like it was
it?

So my heart has always been in the sport of
track and field and in running,running to this day is still my
favorite discipline of thethree? And what distance were
you running? I middle distance adisk. And so I didn't want 3k to
10k over cross country. So we'remiddle distance to long
distance, if you will. But asthe career in college was
starting to come to a close, Iwas starting to lose this like

(03:48):
fire from this racing and peoplewere getting so much faster. And
doping started getting throughthe roof, my junior so kid air,
so that was obvious. Yes. Andthe track and field world was
really starting to get plaguedwith some serious doping
problems and domestically,internationally, of course. So
that's just something obviously,I'm not going to be a part of

(04:09):
and I, I suffered so manyinjuries, being just a track
runner doing 70 plus miles aweek for 15 years of my life,
that that forced me in a poolforced me on a bike, where I was
like, Man, I have a lot ofstrengths outside of solely
running that, that I reallythink I can make something
happen in this triathlon world.

Kenny Bailey
(04:30):
So you decided, let's just give it a
go. Right? Well, it's a more ofa less it was listed or your
Yeah, I'm gonna lean into this.
No,

it was it was we're not. No, we're not gonna
feel it from your family. No,no, when I do anything, it's I'm
headfirst. I'm all in. And sobasically what I did was like
Pete COVID. What I did was, Ireached out to a few coaches and
USA Triathlon. And I said, Okay,how do we make this transition

(04:58):
from division? One collegiaterunner. Yeah, whose descent into
a multi sport athlete in theshortest time possible. Yeah.
And I really like that. And theylaughed. This was 2020. And I
was like, Oh, I plan on being inthe Olympic trials for Tokyo.
And then I might, the coach thatI'm with now is like, we don't

(05:18):
even have it on Olympic trials,the same track and I'm so
adverse. I was like, I need toreverse but that's how I do it.
I'm all in. I'm in this for theOlympics. So I didn't actually
switch over to triathlon for thepassion of triathlon or the love
of the sport. It was really justto continue this Olympic
journey. And that's the paththat that God opened for me. So,
but yeah, I interviewed thesecoaches, I ended up selecting

(05:40):
James Peterson at JP elite. AndI knew he developed, he's
developed dozens of amateurs,and brought them to the elite
level then surpass and becomeworld class at the elite level.
So I was like, This is my guy. Imoved to New Hampshire. Did I
move? Yeah, I moved to NewHampshire, right away, packed
everything up Jersey drove 28hours from Oklahoma to New

(06:01):
Hampshire. And the rest is kindof history. And

Kenny Bailey
(06:03):
that's kind of cool. So of the three
disciplines, which which oneswere kind of to yours, you. Most
people say it's the swimming. Idon't know if this one we just I
came to you naturally or was itthe cycling? Or which which of
the other two? I mean,obviously, you can run so of

course. So James had me do a bike test, a 20
minute power test on a bike thatI borrowed on a train, it looks
like a spaceship. You got usedto this, you got to know what
the kicker is on. I'm like, Whatis this next level? Where I've
only ever seen a treadmill?
Yeah, so I was like, oh, man,this guy's this guy's a
brilliant coach. Look at thescience. So as a run background,

(06:38):
I actually translated reallywell to cycling and the 20
minute power test. He was very,very pleased with it. And he was
like, asked, like, how's theswim? I'm lying. Like, I've
never taken a clock and Ilearned how to swim at 20 years
old. And lose not it's like alanguage if you didn't do it as

(06:59):
a as a child. Senator, you'rereally late to the party. Yeah.
And so I I was very, very, verydevelopmental, and that's
putting it very kindly. The bikein the run of have have kind of
been a real strengths for me.
That swim man is a son of a gun,especially in draft League.

Tom Regal (07:17):
Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah.
Because you guys are going allout. This isn't this is
sprinting, and you can't missthat draft pack and miss the
pack. You get dropped off thebag. It's all over. So

Kenny Bailey
(07:28):
yeah, cuz I'm thinking the swim part. The
irony is swimming, right is ifyou fight the water, it gets
lowered. Right? Exactly. So ifyou try to get angry, like you
went on a bike, right, you can'tjust power through something
you've got to figure out becauseit's skill. It's like golf. It's
great. It's the mostfrustrating. Yeah, like you want
to get it right. It's great whenyou don't, yeah, it's suck
because you

can't power your way on the bike on the train or
just slam your lips to notomorrow and on the swim, the
more power you put in, it's likeyou're actually doing yourself a
disservice, you end up justfighting yourself. Water. So
it's like you need almost like,relax yourself. Find that grace
and then find the you know, theYeah, happy place. Yeah,

Tom Regal (08:02):
exactly. Happy place.
And then hopefully that HappyPlaces on somebody else's feet.

Kenny Bailey
(08:07):
Yes, yes, exactly. So from an endurance
standpoint, I mean, like yousaid, he had some injuries
dealing with on the bike or onthe runs from did that endurance
translate pretty easily? Did youhave like that aerobic capacity
already in you? Because you'redoing three to write up? It? Was
that was there? Yes. Yeah. Itwasn't just that it was just
more forming technique, or wasit?

Yeah, how to transfer the power. So it's
actually crazy. So the swim, asyou all know, you take oxygen
for granted. Especially comingfrom a run background, you
really take oxygen for granted.
So yes, I might be some of themost aerobic ly fit numbers on
paper when it comes to a runner.
Yeah, but man, it's like, Ididn't even know what breathing
was when I got into swim. Sothat that aerobic endurance, I

(08:47):
almost had to like, shape it andtailor that to swimming. So
because I'm over here, like, howdo I breathe? I'm like lifting
my lifting my head. I'm doingall this really inefficient
stuff, which is making me moreexhausted, you know? So I
actually, it didn't reallytranslate all that great in the
swim, believe it or not.

Kenny Bailey
(09:04):
Yeah, I can kind of see that too. Like I
said, it's a different you

Tom Regal (09:07):
get about 30% of the oxygen that you actually need.
We always say it's overratedanyway. Yeah, you don't need to
just put your head down and go,but you're

hydrating, at least while you're doing
swallow. Especially in theinitial stages of learning how
to properly swim, you justswallow in the waters. It's
like, they're like, Oh, don'tlift your head. It's like, well,
I'm kind of gotta get my mouse.
So

Tom Regal (09:27):
the distance for the races that you're swimming is
how much what's the what is it?
What does it come down to?

So for the sprint, 750 meter seven and then
1500 50? For the for theOlympics,

Tom Regal (09:38):
for the Olympics. So what is your training load? Look
for it light per week? Yep. Soswimming, how many times per
week and how much per session?

Yes, so we're on a eight day training cycle, which
is pretty unique. Not a lot ofcoaches are doing any day
training cycle. But when you'refully in triathlon, you have
flexibility because you havejust training. Yeah, but we'll
do we'll swim I'll swim six outof seven out of those eight days
of the training cycle and 5k aday and

Tom Regal (10:06):
5k day Yeah, think about that. 5k day keeps the
15 100k right to for 15 100kRaise your you're doing 5000
meters a day. Yeah, so

Kenny Bailey
(10:15):
there's a whole bunch I want to unpack
here on Oh boy. Well you knowpersonally I'm you know, I was
doing long distance and this isyour I want to do more sprint
distance. I'm gonna go faster Ithink go far. Sir. I have
questions. Yes. For theaudience, just to just to ground
them a little bit. You know,most people when they start in
triathlon, it's, you know,there's no draft. Right? There's
there's rules in place. When youlook at an Olympic. Like what

(10:37):
you're racing there it is draftlegal. How can you tell us how
it's different? Or how it's thesame as like a half Ironman?
Yes,

yes. So I might get some flack for this, but I
would like that. Yeah, I thinkshort course draft legal racing
is proper racing. I think you'regonna get shivers. Yeah. I said,
I, I think long course racing issending oil to your more racing
yourself and one course racing100 opposed to racing a field.

(11:05):
In draft legal, you're actuallyyou're actually like, I feel
like you're rubbing elbowsyou're really getting nitty
gritty with with these otherguys in it. So not that long
course. Isn't racing. It's stillis racing. But it's just you
have to be five bike links. Butthere's you have to Yeah, there
really is no, yeah, the rulesare kind of tossed out the
window, because you've gotcarnage in the swim. Because you
know, you got to be first tothat buoy. Or then you got you

(11:26):
got to be in the bike pack. Andthe mounts are crazy. So it's
like, yeah, it's a little bitmore relaxed. In my experience,
because I've done long courseswhen I've done long course. In
my experience, it's it doesn'tfeel as much like racing in that
long.

Kenny Bailey
(11:39):
Okay, yeah. So it let's let's take a sprint,
for example. So your 750 in thewater, you're basically it's
literally sprinting, right, yourcurrent heart out on that you
want to be either

Tom Regal (11:49):
running in from a beach or jumping off a park.
Right. So you're lined upshoulder to shoulder Yes. And
the gun goes off and

Kenny Bailey
(11:57):
turns into washing machine. Which is

Tom Regal (12:00):
which is what the old the old days you'll be for even
long course was we all justjumped in together. You were so

Kenny Bailey
(12:06):
was it smacking and fighting and you
mean you're getting hit? Yeah.
Laughter They tend to be becauseamateurs are crazy when they do
back in the I mean, I got in agroup with 120 Guys, and it was
just pandemonium. Because Idon't know how to swim. I

Tom Regal (12:18):
swam with 3000 other people. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey
(12:21):
Brutal. Yes.
Yes, it was brutal. You guyshave experienced but it's that
same thing.

It's carnage.
Yeah, it's just pure carnage.
Especially at at the level thatI'm at. It's you have 7074 other
men that are very similar,relatively speaking relative,

Tom Regal (12:36):
are all within a second of each other. And your
last race, looking at some ofYeah, looking at that. So
imagine that you're not gettingin a group with your age group
where you've got a couple ofreally good ones, and then a
couple of really bad ones, andeverybody's stretched out.
You're talking about everybodythat's within fighting to get
like two tenths of a second.
Yes, each other. I mean, thatputs you all at the line
together. Right?

There's no avoiding that. Misery loves
company. It's awesome. It is itreally is. So I enjoy it's yeah,
it's proper racing.

Kenny Bailey
(13:06):
Yeah, yeah. We have our guests Rosie.

Tom Regal (13:09):
Rosie the official.
Okay, so

Kenny Bailey
(13:12):
your bike distances? How

long? Sprint 20k?
Olympic 40k. So

Kenny Bailey
(13:16):
on the 20k bike, are you it's a road bike
that you're correct. Correct.
So? Yeah. So. So basically,again, it's your 20k courses are
very fast. I mean, they get very

technical, typically technical, a lot of
you turns because you know Johnand arrow on a TT bike, you
don't have access to brakes, youcan't really do turns because
you got limitations with thewith the bike. So yes, you're on
a road bike. And it's

Kenny Bailey
(13:42):
it's like it's like a you know, like the road
race. And

there's white bombs, there's a lot of white
bombs every you turn,everybody's trying to drop
everybody you're trying to getto first first a tee to so you
can have you're not crashinggal, you dismounting your bikes,
you can get your shoes, youreally want to get to the front
of that pack. So you're reallytrying to, for 20k, you're
really positioning yourself into get yourself set up for a
proper transition.

Kenny Bailey
(14:05):
Got it. And then you're trying to 5k to 5k
for this brand new 5k 10k 10k.
So

Tom Regal (14:10):
you're then you're looking at strategy to get in
there, but it's all about therun, right? It's all about the
run, you need to pace yourselfbe with the packs to get through
it to get off and throw down thefastest run of life every single
time Swim,

swim for show run for dough. That's not my phrase,
by phrase. That's just likethat's it. That's draft legal.
So it's true. Yeah. And then runis just, it's more or less how,
how much damage did I not do onthe swim in the bike that what
can I piece together here? Youknow?

Kenny Bailey
(14:39):
So that's so the question becomes strategy to
me on that one. Right. So, twoquestions on that. So on the
sprint distance when you talkabout strategy, if, if if you
have somebody that that ifyou're at 100% and there's
somebody pulling away, are youare you kind of trying to dig a
little bit more, or do you tryto say no, no, no, I think I'm
going to be able to catch themon the run or if you don't

(15:00):
You're done? Nope.

Great. That's a great question. And this is why
it's this is why this is so suchintense sport is because no no
you don't think of the nextdiscipline when you're in the
current discipline when you'reout swim. If they're going you
go if there's a breakaway on thebike, you go it doesn't matter
and and this is true, I race alittle bit more unorthodox than
normal. And where if I'll makethe move on the bike, I'll be

(15:26):
the guy that says I'm gonna fallNo, no, I don't want to torture
people. Yeah, I like the pain.
So but but no, it's I actuallythe reason why it's a little bit
more on orthodox is because Idon't think about the bike
portion when I'm in the swim.
It's not like oh, I need to savea few minutes that's what I'm
exactly I don't think that way Idon't think that way I get I get

(15:47):
to the bike now we're focused ongetting this done. You know,
obviously you want to race smartand be the best be the most
efficient that you can. Butyou're not letting that pack go.
If that pack goes your race goesyou're so yeah, it's it's
there's no matches to be savedwhen you get to the run it's
it's

Kenny Bailey
(16:04):
so when you when you approach an Olympic
distance over a sprint and is itjust the same thing and the pain
is gonna be longer? Or? Or isthere a little bit yes,

there's a little bit more control in the Olympic
distance, especially with that40k bike the bike groups are
might be more apt to cometogether because people want to
prep for that. 10k

Kenny Bailey
(16:20):
Okay, and then it's just 10k is the same thing
as a 5k Yes, it twice to hertztwice as long that

one is the one that hurts a lot. Yeah,
especially because we racetypically in very warm places.
Very high places that you reallystart to feel the extra 20k You
just biked in in heat got

Kenny Bailey
(16:39):
it? So on on the types of courses which ones
do you prefer the most? Do youlike the like the lake ones? Do
you like the hilly ones becausesome people like if you're good
on hills want to be able to drawpeople you're more of a flat
person which is of course typeyou like or you don't really
care just

I'm gonna I'm not supposed to say this stuff.
Okay, no, no, I'm strong andvery controversial. I'm
stronger. We're having I'mstrong on all courses. I mean,
you prefer I'm a bigger guy. I'ma bigger guy. I need to talk to
you I struggle in the hills. Ithe flats is is what you
definitely that's my jam. Iwatts per kilo is on the flats

(17:13):
are just much better on thehills. Okay, and we saw this in
Barbados last weekend. It's twoweekends ago. It just the hills
man it's just not my now youthink not my favorite thing?

Kenny Bailey
(17:23):
Well, you gotta go that's a buck 35 That's
yeah, great.

Tom Regal (17:26):
There's a lot for kilo or kind of catch up on the
downhill

Kenny Bailey
(17:30):
don't always work.

Tom Regal (17:32):
That's the thought.
Try to get it there. Yeah, sofascinated

Kenny Bailey
(17:37):
on a couple of things. So how how quickly it
sounds like it was very quicklybecause you're because of your
skill in Oklahoma. And your runbackground that you were able to
get to that elite level in afairly quick order right.
Nothing wrong with injuries.
Knock on wood on that one Nonagging you know, we run the
game back No,

so James is just mad James when it comes to
injury prevention. James isincredible. And I've I've worked
with so many coaches and I'vebeen on multiple different teams
to get to where I'm at now. Andinjuries have always been
something that's haunted mycareer always always but the way
that James tailors our trainingis just it's been so incredible

(18:16):
and I've it's really translatedwell to me and I haven't I
really haven't suffered anyserious injuries you know,
things here and there likeniggles you know, but nothing
nothing by any means seriousbecause he's he's so hands on.
He's really keeping the reinsbecause I'm one that if you
don't put the reins on, I'm I'lldo the 100 mile. He actually has
to pump the brakes for me and tokeep me healthy. But his

(18:39):
philosophy is just consistencyjust outlasting just like
Outlast everyone to keepconsistent. And that's much more
important than getting an extramile or two or an extra 1000 in
the pool. So yeah, it's allregulated by the boss. Yeah,
nice.

Kenny Bailey
(18:53):
This is this is a fun conversation. So
because we're so used to youknow, we talked a longer
distance right? Half Ironman,full Ironman, right? Where,
where you know, it's it's paceyourself, it stay within
yourself, if somebody goes away,you blow up now on the run,
you're gonna get, you know, youalways do that. Yeah, the other
thing is, you know, everythingin triathlon is always the
fourth discipline is nutrition.
Yes. So, how does that How doyou deal with I mean, it's a

(19:16):
short race. So you're not likeyou're right a fuel. So it just
basically tells how kind of youget ready for a race. Yeah,

that's, that's great. So it's a little bit
different for a sprint versus anOlympic sprint, you're looking
at about 50 to 56 minutesdepending on course lane. So
fueling terrain, we just pause.
Sorry. We're drafting we'redrafting. That's totally down
the road. It gets you down theroad. That's the only reason we

(19:45):
still have to catch the group.
It's just say, just say draftingmosey down the road a little
bit. Yeah, but when it comes tofueling during I won't do gels
juice goons choose I won't doanything during for a sprint.
Yeah. mainly because I'll takethat goo or chew just before the
swim. Got it. And it's, it's,you're

Tom Regal (20:06):
pretty much good.

You're pretty much good. Yeah, I'll have a half a
bottle on the bike. Half astandard bottle. I don't know
the exact amount but about halfof it as a nutrition in that or,
yeah, I'll do like a blanksports type of powder style
heavy carb. Electrolytespecially warm for sweat. Sure.
But on an Olympic, that's whereyou actually have to start
taking into play and timingcaffeine and stuff like that. So

(20:29):
caffeine, okay. Yeah. And I'mnot a big caffeine user. And I
don't drink coffee. I don'tdrink any caffeine outside of
outside of competition. Wow,rarely consumed caffeine. So

Kenny Bailey
(20:39):
I'm actually I hear it's better, right? Because
the hit better?

Tom Regal (20:42):
Because yeah. Who drinks so much? I

Kenny Bailey
(20:44):
just yeah, it's down for shots on espresso.
Yeah,

then you need more? Just yeah. You know,

Kenny Bailey
(20:50):
I'm over the corner. Yeah. If you're always,
if you're

always firing on all cylinders with all this
caffeine, it's like when you getto a race, it's like, shoot now
when you take four times theamount of so I try to keep it
general. It's actually jet fuel,but on an Olympic and probably,
I definitely am on the lower endof fueling during, because I
like to properly fuel before youknow. So it's like, because I
I'm still trying to nail theman, I gotta get this down while

(21:14):
also pushing 345 watts. Yeah.
You know, it's like, sometimesyour body's just like rejecting
it. Yeah.

Tom Regal (21:19):
So typically what time of day, the race is start.
This is not it does fluctuate.
It does not. It's not likeFormula One where it's like the
6am type stuff. Yeah, I mean,afternoon, you've got some
different stuff. So how do youplan the fuelling around that?
Yeah,

well, if you're racing in Europe, or Asia, it's
typically afternoon races. Inthe Americas, they sometimes
like to go early, especiallySouth America, because it's just
so so hot. So so yeah. So youalmost need to look at the
schedule, and you plan it, butin training, you're playing with
it, right? Yeah. So it's like,okay, if if we're going to have

(21:52):
that 9am Start, that's typicallywhen we stop practice everyday
Anywho. So it's like I have apretty good regimen for a nine
o'clock slot. It's thoseafternoon ones that you're
almost not accustomed to. Soit's like you almost need to
play with it for those pmsessions and training to prepare
for those afternoon races inYeah,

Kenny Bailey
(22:09):
that'd be kind of weird, right? Like, what are
you doing? 11. Again, we jokeabout

Tom Regal (22:13):
I complain, so many people complain about starting
the race, or we have to get afour in the morning to get to
the race start to get over anddo this thing. And like,
everyone's like, Man, I hatethis. I hate this. And then you
start later. And they're like, Idon't know how to eat and it's
true. All of a sudden, they'relike, Wow, it's too hot. Well,
that's where we start. Really,

you're complaining? Either way? You
don't want to start early. Butyou also don't want to start in
the afternoon. Yes, like, I getit. Let's

Kenny Bailey
(22:36):
switch over to training volume. Because this is
fascinating. Because you know,again, for longer distance ones,
you know, you just you're notjust putting in the numbers to
read. How are you approaching?
You said he did four hours on abike today.

Yeah, why a long ride?

Kenny Bailey
(22:52):
Well, I mean, if you're writing for how many
minutes you write with nevermore than an hour. Yeah, so so
are their volume days or theirspeed as of course, you just
kind of walk us through,

right. So the goal, of course, is you try to
get 22 to 28 hours of training,training volume a week. So with
the eight day cycle, we have alittle bit of extra flexibility.
But we try to the intense daysare going to be intense. So if
we're doing a if we're doinglike an intense threshold swim,
that'll typically be paired witha pm threshold run. And that's

(23:26):
typically like a date too. Butif you're having a more in, if
you're having like a more highvolume day, it'll be okay. We're
going to do all threedisciplines. And we're just
going to hit it nice and easy.
We don't say like recovery, butit'll be like aerobic endurance.
Yeah. And it'll be like 5k easyset swim. And it'll be like a
two hour ride and a 45 to 60minute run. All easy, all self
regulated, to keep you healthyand heart rates for everything.

(23:49):
Yeah, so yeah, but it's it'stypically every other for the
eight day cycle, which makes itreal nice. Yeah. And then at the
end of those weeks, like six andeight it'd be long run aerobic
endurance day long ride. Sotoday was my long ride.

Kenny Bailey
(24:04):
Okay, so when you're doing like, what's an
example of like, when you guysdo an intense runs? What What
would that look like?

It's all of course, it's placement, where
you're at in the season. Nowwe're very early in the season.
So it'll be longer ish tempotype stuff, okay, real like a,
like threshold, aerobicthreshold. Kind of keep the zone
low, but it's once you get tolater in the season, that's when
you start doing like sharpeningwhere it's like okay, now we're
gonna get into doing sixhundreds and we're gonna get

(24:30):
into doing a case because mindyou, I'm not doing a half
marathon off the bike, I'm doinga 5k So we need to get those
miles under five minute pace. Sowe really need to get that speed
going three minute K reps and,and things along those lines,
but that's typically later intothe season. Okay,

Kenny Bailey
(24:44):
so if you're, let's say an amateur that used
to do long races or does longraces that you want to try to
get faster. Yep. What what wouldbe like the three things that
you're you know, 22 to 28 hoursI mean, you're a professional
you do this for a living right?
So for People that are that aretrying to just get a little bit
faster, you know, half of ourfolks that watch it or kind of,
you know, they do this for funor weekend warriors, how do you,

(25:07):
you know, what would be yourrecommendation on sort of how do
you start incorporating morespeed? How do you start
incorporating more intensive

question? Yeah, I think I think we, I think you'd
keep the training volume,similar to where you're at, you
can actually incorporate piecesof intensity into that volume.
So the body can actually handlemore than than we think, as long
as you're kind of listening toit and recovering properly. But
if you're limited with hours,and you're working like a nine

(25:34):
to five, you can actuallyincorporate instead of having
one day dedicated to to realserious intense sessions, you
can actually add a little bit ofintensity or like a half b of
intensity to your aerobic days.
And that'll kind of give youlike sharpness. Yeah, but when
you're transitioning, whenyou're transitioning from one
course to short course, thevolume, I'm not saying the
volume is less important,because obviously that that is

(25:57):
very important. But theintensity is needs to be cranked
up. Because you're not, you'renot going out there just steady
on the run, you need to approachit with a different pace.
strides is a major thing on therun that will help major things.
So if you're just going aerobicendurance run, and just take an
extra five minutes, or take fiveminutes off your aerobic run,
and just take five minutes andjust do a couple 150 meter

(26:18):
strides, you know, and just walkin between, you know, take the
stride, 90 seconds, walk 62ndWalk, 150 stride, 150 stride,
and that that'll kind of wakethe legs up. And you're almost
like cheating by getting like afake little workout in when
really was just an aerobic.
Yeah,

Tom Regal (26:35):
yeah, very nice. I think the key is, the key is
that you're just not doing thesame pace all the time. Like if
you want to go faster, you haveto have to run faster. To get
the leg speed, you need to picksome of that up. So for people
we you know, we start we starttalking about athletes in the in
the spring, as we're gettingthrough there. You need to mix
your sets up a little bit. Soit's not all aerobic, we want

(26:57):
zone to we want that base. We'regonna get that in there, of
course, but there needs to be aday. That's kind of tempo and a
day that takes a little vo tomax

out. Yeah, I'm not minimizing volume. Yeah, I'm
not. Yeah, that because that'sobviously that's important. What

Tom Regal (27:09):
we find is that it's not it's the it doesn't matter
what volume they do, they do atthe same pace, I see him I see
athletes, so they get in thereand they swim. And he tell him
to swim fast. And their armspeed is exactly the same as
their slow speed, which isexactly the same as their best
speed. And it's just like, andthey're wondering why they're
not getting any better. It waslike, Okay, well, we have to add
those that the little speedstuff in those drives, things

(27:30):
like that, of course, it'sexactly what you need to do is
get your feet faster, your armsfaster, yes. And then the speed
comes with, of course comesthrough. So I mean, you guys are
the pinnacle of

that every swim set, every swim set we do, we
will always have a descent torace pace. Even if it's just an
aerobic day, you will alwaystouch the speed in which we want
to race out. Yeah, becauseswimming is unique running,
running, you almost can't dothat every day, because impact
that will get you up too much,right. But swimming, you can
actually touch race pace, everyswim. And it really won't affect

(28:02):
your fatigue levels. Long term.
I'm talking 150 A couplehundreds, like four by 100% or
something. I'm not talking sets,but you can touch race pace in
every single swim and more orless be obvious to a couple of
50 Yeah, just a couple of 50s atrace pace, get and change it you
know, stroke rate, yeah, kickrate and say yeah, if you play
with it, it just incorporatethat just a little bit. But
y'all already got the endurancefor being a long course. Anyway,

(28:24):
you've got that aerobic basethat foundation, but it's now we
just start to sprinkle in alittle bit faster. And y'all got
it. Alright,

Tom Regal (28:32):
listen, it makes the workouts a little bit more
exciting. Spice it up. Just notthis boring thing. Same thing.
Let's mix it up, mix it up,bring your break your sets up.

Kenny Bailey
(28:43):
So I'm just trying to understand again, for
for the folks that are listeningmyself too. I mean, just give us
a scope of sort of when we'retalking fast when you guys are
fast. I mean, how fast is fast,like when you what is your what
do you need to be at to becompetitive on your swim on your
run? Right and on your bike? Allright,

so the standard on the swim is double O's in yards.
So faster than five minutes anda 500 and this pool, okay, so
for 500 yards, so a double,those are faster, five minutes
or faster. watts per kilo,wondering, do you wanna do watts
per kilo? Or just watts for 20minutes?

Kenny Bailey
(29:15):
Probably.
Well, I mean, it depends. Itwill. Yeah, so I guess it
depends on your song. Yeah, you

have to be over 400 watts for 20 minutes, sub
five minutes. And 505k You gotto be under 15 minutes.
Preferably under 1430.

Kenny Bailey
(29:28):
Okay, so for all those people looking to try
to become professional. That'sthat's the that's the boss.

Tom Regal (29:37):
You got the guys that are really beating me. I was
gonna say that. That's the backof the line. Right? Yeah. Yeah,

that's standards.
Oh, and then you're ready. Yes.
Yes. And my coach is so upfrontabout it. He's like, the
standard is the standard. Idon't make the standard. You
don't make the standard. This iswhat they're doing. And I just
kind of gave you a conservativeconservative.

Kenny Bailey
(29:58):
People like the Bradley's out there, they
were just like crushing itright? Right. Right, those guys.

And they started earlier. So yeah, you got to
think I didn't even knowtriathlon existed until I was in
my 20s. Yeah, you got in Europe,these Europeans, they, they were
born for triathlon, you know,they were shaped and tailored
into the sport. So it's like,we're kind of Stein in the
dugout, these guys are alreadyon second base. Yeah,

Kenny Bailey
(30:20):
yeah. Just got more to make up. Right. Yeah. So
you said you're early in yourseason now. So give us a kind of
a layout of what your seasonlooks like. Yeah. So is this
your third year in this? Yes,

this is my third international year. So I raced
my first season as an amateur toget my feet wet understand the
sport of triathlon, learn thesport, did 70.3 I did a Olympic
distance I did non draft I diddraft legal I did ers, all that
stuff. But now, obviously, weknew why we transition to sport
Olympic Games, Olympic Games,short course draft legal only.

(30:49):
Yeah. So with that said, theshort course schedule is
typically March to October,maybe September, but we start
with usually a very low keymixed team relay to open the
season, get the cobwebs off, andthen you kind of hit the ground
running in March. So just gotback from Barbados. And now we

(31:11):
have a little bit of a lull. Alittle bit of a training block,
like eight weeks, and then endof May will probably be my next
race. And then we'll look atracing every six to eight weeks.
Until late September, earlyOctober.

Kenny Bailey
(31:27):
Okay, is there one, you've got a circle on your
calendar that you're lookingforward to? Yes,

in September, mid September, there's the Asian
champs in Tokyo and that's anOlympic distance. And I really
want to start touching a coupleof Olympic distances a year
because I've only done one onOlympic distance thus far in the
in the World Triathlon events,international elite races. So I
really want to start doing acouple two to three a season.

(31:53):
Last year we did one this year.
I'm thinking two so I'm thinkingAsian champs and Tokyo would be
a really good

Tom Regal (31:58):
one. Okay.

How's that course?
Flat fast?

Kenny Bailey
(32:02):
So it suits you really well? Yeah, it's

it's typical eight of course for me.

Kenny Bailey
(32:08):
So if it's six how does that training look like
then so if it's six to sevenweeks like if get off of a race
How much time do you allowyourself grace period to kind of
rest from that? Or is it becauseit's so short that you don't
need that kind of? Yeah, it's

you don't you don't need a lot the thing is
that what really is the killeris international travel with the
toe with the timezone instead ofyour diet and things like that.
It's like a shoot because therace obviously you get you get a
feeling and effect from therace. But it's it's really the
travel that will get you so it'sjust a day we'll have like a one
day flop in the swim. Spin itout on the bike. Yeah. And then

(32:44):
the ground running. Got it.

Kenny Bailey
(32:45):
Yeah, because of the distance is so short.
It's not like when you're doinga big Of course, you get like a
week off to do whatever. Yes.
How many days in advance? Do youwant to be in country before you
raise?

Minimum four? Oh, no kidding. Minimum four. Yeah,
I'd like to I like to personallydo five I for Barbados. We did.
We got there on Tuesday, and weraced on Saturday. Okay,
something like that is anacclamation thing is primarily
there. Yes. And it's a big dietthing as well, when it goes when
you go new places. Man, I'vegotten food poisoning too many

(33:15):
of times. It's like you reallywant to go acclimate whether of
course timezone adjustment. Andthen you kind of want to see the
course you want to see howthings are run. Okay, at this
time, the tides looking likethis. So anticipate waves or
just things like that. And ittakes time to do those studies.
Sure.

Kenny Bailey
(33:31):
Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
It's just fascinating, becauseit's such a different, you know,
to like you said, I mean, at thebeginning of this thing, you
were talking about how everyoneautomatically assumes when you
talk to somebody, well, did yougo to Hawaii? This question
either, right? And the intensitythat you're talking about? Is it

(33:52):
just such a different thing?
When you're when you're talkingIron Man or half Iron Man, it's
a matter of not survival. Butyou know, like you said,
planning and in nutrition and,you know, save your matches for
the run. This one is just ballsout until until the finish line,
and then you can then you canworry about it. But to the point
it's like I don't think aboutthe run until I'm on the run.
That's, that's fascinating,right? And when you're talking

(34:13):
like and the other thing too, isit's basically road race right
on your bike because it'samazing to me. multiple loops.
Yes. It's always so it's bumpingit's

spectator friendly, very spectator

Tom Regal (34:25):
friendly. And you can you can stream it and watch it I
think the World Triathlonwebsite has it. So I think it's
like $35 a year and you canwatch all the races. Yeah. If
you want to watch some funstuff. This is this volume

Kenny Bailey
(34:39):
thing is kind of what what's surprising to me
is how much volume Yeah, we justgot such a short rate. Yes. It's

still important.
You have to have that aerobicFoundation. And the intensity
just builds upon that you haveto still have the foundation.
The

Tom Regal (34:51):
foundation is what keeps you injury free.

Kenny Bailey
(34:52):
Well, who's the guy that won the Olympic one
and they were doing failed? Yep,Christian, and they were mocking
him because he was doing Ironmandistance training. Like, how
funny is that? And then he justblew everybody out of the
course. Yeah,

people are people are shocked to discover that
short course triathletestranslate very well to long
course, the volume will justsay, maybe Sam, like Sam long
that Sam might be doing is verysimilar to what you know, like
Chase is doing a short course orsomething. It's very it's very
hand in hand. It's just a matterof where you're dropping in that

(35:26):
intensity. The volume is more orless. Yeah,

Tom Regal (35:28):
yeah. Yeah. Well, I

Kenny Bailey
(35:29):
think to your pace, it's, it's the other
thing. It's the nutrition. It's,you know, because you see, cause
half of these guys like, yeah,you're halfway through the
marathon and all of a sudden,you know, they're walking
through the Yeah, aid stations.
Yeah. It's like, you know, youmiss one bottle. And you know,
there are days. It's true. It'sjust kind of amazing. Yep.
Before we got on we were talkingabout kind of your day is not
your you're busy, man. Yes.

Tom Regal (35:51):
We're gonna have to post a picture of your car.
Yeah. bikes and everything heowns in this box tomorrow, Honda
Element or something. Whateverit is, it's just like, it's
pretty impressive.

Kenny Bailey
(36:03):
Yeah, no matter what, your fitness,
Cheerios.

Tom Regal (36:08):
A life of a pro.

Kenny Bailey
(36:09):
So as you turn pro is the expectations like you
have you have sponsors, you needto you know, shout out to your
speaking of course,

Tom Regal (36:18):
speaking up cover.

Kenny Bailey
(36:19):
Thank you so much. So thank you, Jason. You
know, you're you're doing a runlater today, that kind of thing.
So how, how do you balance that?
Right? So you know, you have toget in the priority, obviously,
is training. But yes, there hasto be a priority of sort of
letting your brain sort of rest.
Yeah. Or figure by the time youget to the room tonight? That'll
be the end of it. But yes. Howdo you you know, how busy is
your schedule? And what do youtry to do to try to maintain

(36:41):
that? Yes. It's not as if maybewhat I'm trying to say is, yeah,
nine to five people, like yousaid, 95 people, then they try
to do this afterwards. It's notlike you just did your your
training for a few hours. Nowyou're sitting around for 16
hours, right? None. So tell uskind of what you're doing and
how you have to kind of balancethat. Right.

So you said you said it. Training is priority?
Yeah, that's, that's what'sgoing to get me to be an Olympic
podium. Yeah. But it's, you haveto be all in like, doing the
nine to five and trying to be anOlympic podium. Yep. Now
typically doesn't go hand inhand. So for me, I'm the all in
guy and we said this, I'm divingin headfirst. So it's, you

(37:22):
really need to be prepared touproot your life. Go move in
with a team. I prefer the DTEexperience daily training
environment, which is why I livewith my teammates. I see my
coach every day. That's that'sthe experience. I believe in
what it takes. And my trainingis, of course, going to take
priority. I'm so grateful tohave Jake like Jason as a
sponsor, and these companiesthat want to join timeto, if you

(37:44):
will, and it's there. They'rekind of what keeps you afloat,
gets you to races and obviouslyprovides for you financially,
but really, it's it's thetraining and that's it's tough.
I miss weddings, I missminerals, I don't have much of a
social life. My teammates are mybest friends ultimately. Sure,
it's like it a lot of a lot ofthings in life take a hit. But
yeah, for greatness. It's,that's, that's what you have to

(38:05):
do. Yeah. And

Kenny Bailey
(38:06):
you've got you've got schedules where you
have commitments you have tomake Of course, places and that
kind of thing.

So it's a joy, you know, it's like, things like
this, it's a privilege, youknow, it's like that's an it's
not an as an act, I'm, I believeI'm more than an athlete. I
think things like this, I lovepeople I love, I love my
community, my faith is reallyimportant to me. So it's like,
there's there are things as asan athlete that I still have as
obligations to myself, like Iwill always give myself those

(38:31):
outlets, but something that not,in my experience I've noticed
not a lot of triathletes do isthey don't allow themselves at
the time of like decompression.
Yeah, every day, after my lastsession, I'll I'll do my proper
refueling. And then from thattime until bed, I'll allocate no
time to triathlon. So believe itor not, as an elite triathlete,

(38:51):
there are a couple of hours ofmy day where I do not think
about triathlon, and as anendurance athlete in a lifestyle
sport, that's very challenging,especially when you live with
your teammates, yourcompetition. Yeah, and you're
seeing it, you know, so but Ithink that's the point. That's
the longevity, that's the stuffthat's going to keep me
consistent is giving myself thattime to not, you know, have that

(39:11):
mental stress because the braincan actually exhaust you
physically. Yeah, so I talkabout that a lot. Yep. So I
definitely try to have that likedecompress time, which is my
time with God or a movie or I'mreading or something like that.
But it wouldn't be I'm readingfor nutrition for my sport,

Kenny Bailey
(39:30):
right. You know, it's easy to do that,
right? Because like you said, isyour profession it is and you

want to do the little things you want to what's
going to put what's gonna giveme the edge. But what can I
learn to that? Yeah, but it'sthere's a time and a place for
that. Yeah. And in thedecompression time, that is not
the time. Yes, that's

Kenny Bailey
(39:43):
the time. And that's that and that's critical.
Right. And absolutely. So Ithink that yeah, I'm glad you
brought that up, because I thinkthat's for anybody, right?

Tom Regal (39:50):
I mean, just for age groupers is the same thing,
right? That life stress and thework stress and the training,
stress all kinda converges onthere and as much as you're
trying to get all of this in Youneed to take that time you need
to take that time to turn offcompletely and not so not work
on anything. Right? Spend somefamily time just to chill. Yes,
just chill and shut down. Yes.
Okay, it's highly and

I cherish my family time because I don't see
them. I do not see. I make a lotof sacrifices, but I have the
support of my family feel thatbut when I get that time, which
I think I'm gonna have a weekcoming up four or five days
coming up here next week. That'sthat's so important special.
That's part of my why of why Ido what I do. Yeah. So it's like
to get that those batteriesrecharged. You know, cuz See, no

(40:33):
matter races and all the same,it's all business at a race. You
know, I don't have the time todecompress in the race. Yeah. Or
on a race week or something. Sowhen when I'm not at a race
environment, that's when

Tom Regal (40:43):
I joke about like, it's, you know, it's it's not
our day job. No one's gonnapaycheck chill out at the races.
Want to talk about that? Yeah.
For them, just stay away. Yes.
Let them do exactly what you doget this stuff done. The rest of
us are just out here going like,hey, there's no paycheck and
volunteer. But I think

I actually think I think my parents are more
stressed and nervous. And Ithink my mom might be scared
that we'll get crashed out orsomething. And my dad's like, I
need him to be the best. Heneeds to be the best. That's my
son. That's my exactly, youknow, so. That's fine. I don't
live there anymore. Is

Kenny Bailey
(41:21):
it? Is it?
Yeah. How would you approach it?
Is it like nobody can talk toyou when? I mean, do you have
blinders on? Or are yougenerally pretty loose or?

No, no, no, no. So I that's how I used to be a
university level NCAA. I used tobe like, so intense, like
headphones on eyes down. Nobodytalks to me. I got I have to
mentally prepare for I neverraced well like that. That's why
I'm a I'm a people person. I gotenergy. I like to talk to people
I like to have, you know, I liketo Yeah, this is who I am. Yeah.

(41:52):
And I've noticed my races havesuffered when I was like, almost
two embedded into my focus, man.
Now I'm all up in my head. Yeah.
So now like, my approach is alittle different. I don't do the
headphones. I'm focused. But Ilike to have my like, you know,
I'm still social but focused.
Yeah. You know, you have to belight you have you've got to you
got to toe the line light startswith the brain like

Tom Regal (42:14):
that. Because I've always wondered how the athletes
do that when they show up withtheir headphones on and they're
just like ignoring the world.
Yeah, it's just, it's not a it'snot a thing I could ever do.
Yeah,

Kenny Bailey
(42:22):
I tend to get blinders as soon as I get more
serious. Yeah, right. I guesswhen I do I have a checklist.

Tom Regal (42:28):
I want to make sure I get to certain things bike needs
to be in the right spot. Right,right. Right. Go through some of
that stuff. But then you can,okay, sit back and like, talk to
people around you help somebodyelse.

I mean, I've had some of my best sessions with my
teammates, when we're just kindof like joking around before the
session. And not obviously we'revery focused and serious. But
yeah, when you're like messingaround, listen to some music on
the way to practice and stuff,you know, making jokes. I've had
some my best sessions with thattype of preparation, where it's
like, why would I? Why would Ialter what's working? Just
because it's a race day fit your

Tom Regal (42:58):
personality? You have to you have to? That's awesome.

Kenny Bailey
(43:01):
So you're you mentioned the Olympics. What's
that path look like right now?
Yes. So

the path to the Olympic podium is is just
insane. It's, it's definitelyespecially, and it takes a lot
of time. So it's consistency.
When I started on this journey,when I was talking to my coach,
we always starred the US game.
So in 2028, la is going to behosting the game. So we always
start that on the calendar ofJuly and August of 2028. So it's

(43:28):
a step by step process, youfirst take that elite license,
then you race, kind of thedomestic level, maybe like Conte
cup level domestically, and thenyou start these international
races, World Triathlon cup,World Series cups, and then
Super League and stuff likethat. But you kind of have to
work your way up and you startchecking these boxes, where it's
like, okay, I'm at the Conte cuplevel, at the end of this year,

(43:49):
I'll be at the World Cup level,and then a year or next year
will be the World TriathlonSeries level. And then you're
you're rubbing elbows with,obviously Olympic podium greats.
Got it? Yeah.

Kenny Bailey
(43:59):
So how does the US pick their their athletes
on that one? Yes, it because itpoints, points, points. So it's
purely points. It's not likeit's like to your points, not
like the runners have to go showup in Eugene. And so

yeah, and we have we have an event called the test
event, which will be exactly oneyear prior to the Olympic Games.
Yeah. And that will be if youplaced top eight, that's an auto
qualify spot. Nice. So that'sthe non points one. So points
will get you into that race. Soto get invited to the to the
test event, it'll be okay. We'llsend the top four men in the top

(44:30):
for American women to thetestament. And then if any of
them place in the top eight,that'll be an auto qualify spot.
And then the other one or twospots for each Federation will
be typically determined uponpoints,

Kenny Bailey
(44:43):
because all athletes are going to be
represented for the US.

For women were guaranteed three spots. And it
depends on how many men you haveranked in the top 81 I believe
it is. So right now we'reguaranteed at least two men at
Paris. And it's looking likewhat Gonna get our third spot
back there. Okay, great, becausethat Tokyo we only had two men.
Yeah,

Tom Regal (45:03):
yeah. So we need to have more in the top 81 in the
tougher and earn our thirdspecial spot there. So you're
looking at three, three men,three women. Correct. Correct
going through is there anyadditional that go just for the
mix relays that a very good

question. The relays are typically derived of
the of the athletes that arealready gotten?

Tom Regal (45:26):
That's what I wanted to check on. Yeah.

Kenny Bailey
(45:27):
So you have to be the top three in the United
States?

Not necessarily okay. Because if you get invited
to the test event, which youcould be ranked in the top five
in the US, and then place topeight on any given day? Yeah.
Then you auto qualify to qualifyUSA selected someone that was
ranked, I believe it was fifthand still went to the games
because of his trajectory on theyear of the game. Got it. Yeah.
So you just got to be in themix. Yeah. Got it.

Kenny Bailey
(45:50):
And how far are you away from the mix right
now? Not

that far. I'm in the conversation. I've already
raced have already raced a lotof a lot of these guys have
already competed at the games. Iobviously we have work to do.
Yeah, I still feel so new to thesport. Sure. But yeah, we're not
all that far. Okay. That's,that's, that's when you could
taste it. Right. Ya know, andit's like, you try to keep the

(46:13):
lid on, you know, and you try tohim remain. have that

Tom Regal (46:16):
kind of patience a fun process. You've got a great
coach that's got that. Yes, yes.
He's got the vision. Yeah. Andyou know, you guys are get
through there. And it's justtrusting the process of making
the adjustments as you gothrough this.

Kenny Bailey
(46:30):
That's the foot you have the goalpost to.
So it's totally same thing islike any long distance course.
Like it's your point, you know,you get to this point, right, I
know what I need to do for 2024.
Right? I only do 2025.

Perfect keep, you know, we just said the standard
is the standard. So it doesn'tmatter the goalposts don't move.
So it's like, this is what youknow, as, as my coach always
says, This is what he needs todo to get there. And he knows
what we need to do. There'sboxes, you have to check.
There's races you have to do. Soit's just it's just a matter of
continuing to check boxes andstay on the path. Yes, I'm

Kenny Bailey
(47:00):
always fascinated to buy when you have
elite athletes and pros that arethat are coming to the line.
Right. And you this probablyhappened during college.
Collegiate. Yep. Time. And now.
When you especiallyinternationally, right, you when
you look across and you see theother 74, do you already know
the first Do you know the threethat you're like, Okay, these
are the three that are going togive me a problem. These are the
three I don't need to work outor is everybody? is everybody's

(47:20):
sort of equal in your head or doyou care?

No, there's nobody else in the race. I don't Oh,
that's that's nice. That'sanother that's another thing
that's about my racing, that's Ithink might be unique. I don't
study stop lists. Look, I don'tcare who I'm racing, interested
in almost interesting. Almostdoesn't matter. Okay. It doesn't
matter. Like your race, yourrace, the race that you're in,
right? Your race, the race thatyou're in, and kind of like we

(47:45):
just kind of discussed and webroke down three disciplines.
When you're in the swim. Youdon't it doesn't matter who's in
front of you, who's behind you.
Doesn't matter all he should beup there. He should be back
there all he should beat me whenyou go in with a preconceived
notion of oh, I should watch outfor this guy. And come on.

Tom Regal (48:00):
Yeah, what if he has a bad day? And you're watching
out for him? And all of a suddenthe other group took off? And I
could see in long course that itwould be a little bit more
strategy a little bit. Yeah. Soyou know that they've got a kick
out as? Well. We're talkinglike, it's just redline. Yes.
It's just,

Kenny Bailey
(48:15):
I mean, is it I was an amateur guy. So I'm not
going to pretend I was good. Butlike when I showed up to a road
race, bike race. Yeah, I mean,there were certain people you
avoided there's certain peoplethat you know, can take a good
line that you know, is going tobe able to slice appropriately.
Especially if like somebody got40k I just didn't know if it's
like, okay, if I can get behindthis person, I know I'm gonna

(48:35):
get a good line, ya know, like,then I can be able to pass them.

But I'd say on the bike, this knowledge might be
the most important like if youdo know that there's, and at
this level, you kind of seen thesame guys you should know you
know, the bike that they'reright, you can see the sink. I
know the color. I've been onthis wheel before. So it's like
in the bike, it might be good tohave this knowledge of okay, I
know he can bridge from group togroup. I know he's capable, so I
can find that wheel. But to getyourself all worked up by

(49:01):
studying stop. I think that'smore harm than it is good. If
you're obviously you don't wantto be completely ignorant to it.
And I'm not but it's I'm notgoing to let I'm not letting
somebody else's race affect myrace. What I need to do I know
where I need to be so that itdoesn't matter who's around me
better focus.

Tom Regal (49:18):
Yeah, that's that's definitely your focus point. So
fantastic. Yeah. That's cool.

Kenny Bailey
(49:24):
This is fun, man, man. Yeah. I think this is,
to your point, the first time weever had somebody that was like,
competitive short distancestuff, and it just breaks that
whole, you know, stupidmentality. It's like, Well, are
you gonna go longer? Why would Ijust go really fast? You know,
I've

been born fast.

Tom Regal (49:40):
It's a different strategy. It's a different way
to look at it. And I think it'sexciting. I think it's fun to
do. I like all distances. I'vedone all distances. I like, like
they each have their ownchallenge and jump, of course,
always throw in some sprintsbecause man, I'm slow and I want
to get fast. So I have to gofaster, right? It just forces me
to really pick the pace up orchange up my training and throw

(50:03):
some stuff in there practice.

I've been hearing this more or less my whole life
growing up in Boston, of course.
Hey, have you ever done BostonMarathon? Exactly. It's like, as
soon as you hear that I'm arunner. It's always Oh, have you
ever done? Yeah, have you doneBoston qualifier? It's crazy.
And now that I'm in triathlon,it's like, Oh, shoot. Have you
ever done an Ironman? Yes, no,never. I've never done Boston.
I've never done a marathon.

Kenny Bailey
(50:26):
And it's like, hey, yeah, right. Of course, it
is.

Like, you change.
You change sports, but it's likethis. It's just still trails.
You know? It's just like, itstill sticks with you. And it's
like, just because I only doshort course doesn't make me any
less of a triathlete. Yeah, justbecause I only race middle
distance on the track doesn'tmake me any less of a runner.
Exactly, exactly.

Kenny Bailey
(50:44):
That's, I'm glad you said it that way.
Right. And

Tom Regal (50:47):
that's what we want to get rid of that word just to
keep it. We talked to people.
It's like, what race did you doin the season? I just was with
some athletes last week. Can Isit somewhat racist this week?
I'm just doing the sprint.
That's just whenever I'm like,just just that's the precedent
doing the sprint. You're still alegit track. Whether you're
doing super sprint, or you'redoing an ultra. It doesn't
matter. You're still the sametriathlete. It's free sport,

(51:08):
swim, bike, run, do it. If youcan piece

together three disciplines on one day. Come on.
You're a triathlete. And that'simpressive. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. You're

Tom Regal (51:16):
still you're still only 5% of the population. No.

Kenny Bailey
(51:21):
Brunch afterwards.

Tom Regal (51:25):
I think that's really kind of family can get involved.
It's a little more spectatorfriendly. Yeah, it's you know,
you're off to brunch rightafterwards.

I don't think my raisins look like that. I need
to start doing some brunch. Wegot to

Kenny Bailey
(51:40):
make it go faster. With french toast? Yeah,
you

Tom Regal (51:44):
just throw that at the end? Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah.
1420,

Kenny Bailey
(51:48):
on your own?
Was that French toast? Where the

1420 off the bike is smoking? Oh,

Tom Regal (51:54):
my God. Yeah, that'd be fantastic. Yeah, I get the
2024 I'd be happy.

I'm telling you to strides. Once you incorporate
those stripes into your aerobicdays, or bingo. Yeah, and then
reverse your age by about 30 orjust a number. It's race
experience. You have more raceexperience than I do. You guys
do have more race. I have

Tom Regal (52:13):
a lot of race experience that for sure.
Whether it's good or bad. We

Kenny Bailey
(52:17):
don't know. I failed more than you succeeded.

You never remember the races you lost once you win
once you win the one.

Tom Regal (52:24):
Exactly. So but great. Thank you so much for
coming on. And joining us. It'sgreat to hear your story. We'll
be rooting for you and followingyou along 100%. We want to thank
Jason who's here, watching inthe sidelines. Let's let's make
sure we get to look at the logo.
Yeah, we gotta get the T shirts,go on his website, check him
out. Jason is some of the best.
Jason's a

massive supporter of tomato and he's helping move
and advance my career forward.
So because of the sponsors thatI have, I'm able to do what I do
professionally full time. And soJason will be joining me as we
make our way towards the podium.
So y'all check out Kovach,please, yes, best quality T
shirts. Really good. If

Tom Regal (53:01):
you're if you're racing, any of the magic sports
races in Middle Tennessee. Jasonwill be there at all the events.
He's got some great materialsand great inspirational T shirts
and things. It's awesome stuff.
So cool. We love that. AndJason, appreciate you on that.
Thank you again for coming on.
super appreciate you everybody.
Thanks for your questions,comments, thumbs up five stars,
all that good stuff, helps thealgorithm algorithms gets the

(53:24):
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little International. We gotsome folks folks in Europe and
it's great in Asia popping uponce in a while. So we
appreciate everybody forlistening. Kenny it's awesome.
As always, thank you so much. Althank you so much for reaching
out to you and for everyone.
We'll we'll catch you on thenext show.

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