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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Courage is the
foundation of every warrior.
To protect yourself isself-defense, to protect others
is the essence of true warriorspirit.
So, yeah, man, I had a privatelesson this morning and, um, it
(00:48):
was actually really good.
It was really good.
I had the guy I don't know Idon't think you probably
remember him, his name is machim and his son showed up and
and then he's testing for hissunq oh, wow level three brown.
Yeah right, my level.
Yeah, no, you're not.
You're.
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Uh, you should be testing foryour black, but I'm a sun cube.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like you're
registered as a sun cube.
Last time I registered andcompeted was as that man, that's
like I was trying to look formy.
You know how they give you likea little membership card.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, I was trying to
look for my.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know how they
give you like a little
membership card.
Yeah, you get a card.
Yeah, yeah, I was trying tolook for it but I couldn't find
it.
But I really want to find it.
It's probably all faded awayanyway.
Well, either Is it through what?
Usja, or it was through both.
Through both, yeah, becauseremember I wasn't a citizen.
So when I compete, like at theum, I don't remember it was
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round robin or doubleelimination, regardless, um, I
was fighting, uh, I was in theupper bracket on my pace to
fight for national champions,and they realized that when I
put city, I was born.
I was born in mexico and theydidn't let me compete because I
wasn't a us citizen gotcha?
Yeah, I was like my my senseiwas like I have never thought to
ask you you're a citizen or not, right, yeah?
But anyway, going back to youruh original statement of like
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this guy teaching, how is hedoing?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
he's actually able to
help him out.
I was able to help him out.
He's ready.
His son was a yellow belt buthe didn't train for like two
years, and so I it was more likea refresher with me, but I went
ahead and put him through theringer and test him everything
he needed for his yellow belt.
His kid is like probably Iwould say like maybe 13.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh he's like 12, 13,
yeah, same age as my son.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So he, um, uh.
So he, he went ahead and I justput him through the ringer.
I said you know, let's see whatyou remember and I'd give him a
whole yellow belt test.
And he did it.
He did good.
Of course I had to show him acouple of things, but he did it
and he looked really good.
So I told his dad, I told him Igo, let's go ahead and you know
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, you can start teaching him andshowing him stuff on how to get
his orange belt and then,whenever he's able to come over
and make it with you on theprivate lessons, then I'll go
over some stuff for them andmaybe within six, months he can
test for his orange.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He's gonna train
there at South Texas Jewel.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
He's gonna test there
oh, I would have him test there
whenever he can you know I'mnot gonna force it so anything
he did for any, any throw he had, his son or him both that they
have difficult with.
okay.
So honey, make a commie for thedad is one of the tough ones
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for him.
And then his son with his, youknow the yellow belt he had a
hard time with.
His Osoto was good, could haveused a little bit more work, but
then again he was using his dadas an uke.
So you know weight difference.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And then Osoto is
such an underrated throw.
It's like in concept it lookseasy, but it's so hard to master
it is.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But if you're
understand, if you're
understanding to throw youropponent off balance meaning a
lot of okay.
So if you go traditionally,you're leaning to one side,
right.
But in sport you want to putthat elbow, that's that sleeve
that you have, that you'regripping, instead of pulling it
off to the side, make a smallcircle to where it goes like
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almost in the back pocket, right, if you were going to put his
elbow in his back pocket or inyour pocket, that way it gives
you enough space to raise upyour leg and sweep his leg.
And when you're doing that,putting the elbow in the pocket
that causes the body to leanback like the matrix, right?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Because you can do
that even without a key.
If you grab the elbow in thepocket, that causes the body to
lean back like the Matrix?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
right, Because you
can do that even without a key
if you grab the elbow.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Or you cup the neck.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Grab the arm, cup the
head.
Yeah, do the same thing.
Yeah, whoa.
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Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, I think we're
going to step.
Jerry and I were talking alittle bit about before this and
even last night, as I was goingto sleep and counting sheep
watching.
I was counting how many peopleI throw in judo so I go to sleep
.
We just talked about like what,like what we can get with our
listeners, how we can engagethem, so we thought we're
thinking about starting a series, um, maybe three, six weeks, we
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don't know if you guys like it.
We didn't continue it, but kindof dissecting the whole martial
arts and the philosophy andhistory of it, because Martial
arts in china or in japan havedifferent origins, um, origins,
origins, and then we want tomake sure that we strip it down
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and we concentrate on onespecific martial arts and kind
of really talk about philosophyand the history of it and just
you know, two random studentswho love martial arts just talk
about it in today's society andhow it applies and how it
influences us, and you can guesswhat martial art we want to
start with.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Obviously, we're
going to start with judo and you
know, the philosophy of judostill stays the same.
The only thing that I see thatchanges is the student's mindset
.
What is it that they're goingfor?
Because, in reality, originallyjudo was a was based off of
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Japanese jiu-jitsu and it was aself-defense art that added and
included takedowns, throws right, and in reality, there was over
62 takedowns in judo, andthat's including leg grabs.
Okay, but because of howeverything changes, time changes
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.
Judo became a sport.
Judo's in the Olympics.
They took away the legtechniques.
So now, when it comes down totesting, there's 42 takedowns,
and that's excluding leg grabs,although there's a lot of leg
grabs in judo.
I blame the French, well, well,it's because they mostly do it,
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uh, and it's similar towrestling right, where a lot, of
, a lot of leg techniques andand double leg takedowns and
whatnot, but that's mostly uh,you know, everything changes
yeah, and for folks listeners,we mentioned it last last time
in our but judo was actually thefirst martial arts that was
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part of an Olympic sport.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So they kind of paved
the way for other martial arts
to join the Olympic sport.
And why is that so key?
I believe it's so key becauseit allows universities and it
allows different countries todevelop more judo programs.
And the more judo programs thatdevelop, the more judo, the
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more judo students we get aroundthe world.
But the counter to that and Idon't know, jerry, if you agree
is that then it becomes a sportand it loses part of the
philosophy or the martial artsaspect of that martial art well,
I mean, when it becomes, whenit becomes a sport, you know,
that's, that's when you have toreally think and think about
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this.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
If you're, if you're
doing a martial art and I'm
going to say this in in general,right, in a broad aspect if
you're training in martial arts,what are you training for?
And that's what you have to bemore specific about, right.
It's like for me, when I wastraining in martial arts, I
didn't give a crap about sports.
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I was like my sport,competitions and all that was
like I was already in my 30s.
I didn't care about doingcompetitions or sports or
anything like that was alreadyin my 30s.
I didn't care about doingcompetitions or sports or
anything like that.
The reason why I was doingmartial arts was one I was
bonding with my son when I puthim in martial arts.
Number two my mind has thatopen mind, concept of
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self-defense, what best worksfor me?
Okay.
So if you know that you'regoing to be in a martial art
such as judo and you want tocompete in judo, well then
that's when you go to a martialarts school, a judo school, and
then that's when you say, hey, Iwant to compete, or I'm not
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looking for competition.
I'm looking for it as a workoutor I'm looking at it as a more
self-defense base for me to justnot only get a good workout, a
good sweat, but also learnsomething in the process that
can help suit me in self-defense.
And there's a lot of studentsthat do that.
And I know, like with us inSouth Texas, south Texas Judo,
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patrick and I were talking andhe was asking me about asking
some of our students if theywant to compete in Texas State
or in nationals or whatever,right?
And I told him I go okay, thisis where you have to ask that
question Do you want acompetition team or do you want
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to ask students if they want tocompete?
Because there's a bigdifference, right.
So I told them, don't ask.
Tell them, hey, we're buildinga competition team, you have one
week to sign up and once you'rein a competition, you're in a
competition.
Your mindset there is to compete.
Can you use competition judo inself-defense?
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Of course you can.
It's the same concept, it's thesame.
You're attacking, you'recountering, you're throwing,
you're sweeping, you're takingdown your opponent.
So do I think sport andcompetition helps your
self-defense?
Yes, I do, because it createsthat confidence, it creates that
drive.
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It teaches you how to attackand how to counter, so there's
good points to it.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But do you think that
it loses kind of the essence?
Like if you were to ask mostmodern day judoka Olympics, do
you think they would understand,like, what the philosophy
behind judo is, or they wouldjust know how to repeat, like
the good kusushi which isbreaking off balance?
Yeah, for folks that that areout there listening, because I
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do feel that in many schools,and at least in some schools
that I've been to, that I travelto, they predominantly work on
the target, which is taking downyour opponent, which is scoring
a point, and in judo, um, youwin by scoring one point.
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But to score that one point,you have to throw your opponent
with force, technique and speedon their back and you get that
one point.
Yeah, they have to land flat ontheir back and you get that one
point.
Yeah, they have to land flat ontheir back.
Yeah, and from what I've beentold and I haven't done my
research, but it resembles backthen in jiu-jitsu how they were
trained with heavy armor, thesamurais, if they were to fall
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with great speed, that armorcould really injure them and
might even cause paralysis.
Yeah, that's why that Ipponstarted.
But going back to my originalquestion, I feel that, like if I
don't know I'm going to butcherit because of my American
English but the seyuku senyu,which is like the maximum use of
energy.
I feel like if I were to saythat word to a lot of folks in
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judo schools, a lot of peoplewon't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, I mean I could
be wrong.
No, you're right.
A lot of people because theydon't.
Okay.
So when you're, when you lookat a lot of schools, they teach,
a lot of them are teaching, yes, competition, and you win.
And and then, at the same time,that's the instructor too.
What's the mindset that you'retrying to instill in your
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students?
Right, if you're going to teachcompetition and moving away
from the, I can't think now whatyou're asking the yuukosenyu.
Yes, if you're moving away fromthat, then you start developing
that I must win attitude.
Okay.
But when you look at theOlympics, like this past
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Olympics and I was watching allthe weight classes, man, there
were some beautiful techniques,beautiful throws, good takedowns
, good competition, good backand forth.
But here's the thing thing, therespect, end of it.
You see all judo players, beforethey even get up onto the stage
, onto the platform, they bowyeah, as soon as they get up, as
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soon as you get up on onto themats and they walk over to the
edge of the ring and they turnin, they bow and then, and then
they get on the mats, they bowto the ref, they bow to each
other and then the ref tellsthem to go.
Now, there's a lot of respectthere.
Even when someone loses, at theend they bow and then they walk
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off and do all that stuff.
Right, that's showing respect.
But I did see more than morethan a handful, right, I would
say like almost almost half ofall the judokas that were there.
I saw them have an attitudebecause either they lost and
they slam, you know, they slamtheir hand on the mat and they
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go come on.
Or they yell or something.
Right, that's not showingrespect, that's not being humble
.
And then, when it comes down towhen they're, when the ref is
calling it, you know they don'teven bother with the ref, they
don't even bother bowing out,you know.
So it all depends on their,their, how they were taught what
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you know, like what's theirmindset, how they were taught
what's their mindset.
So it's kind of hard to saythat.
Is it changed from the original?
Because it's there?
It's just a matter of theperson wanting to do that or not
.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, I often wonder
if Kano would approve of judo in
the Olympics and the way judois going.
Because for me, for folks thatdon't know, he got okano is the
founder of judo, um, and it wasestablished in 1882.
Just for those nerds that areout there, um.
But for me, um, which you knew,that I didn't know, that with
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my limited research, is that hewas a doctor.
He was actually not a medicaldoctor but a doctor of education
and he worked for thegovernment Ministry of Education
, so he was an educator.
And a lot of folks that, a Lotof memoirs that had the
privilege and honor to trainwith dr Kano, said that he was a
fantastic teacher in that hewanted to take judo outside of
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just the dojo.
He wanted to take it out hewanted to spread it out around
the world, and I think southtexas judo does that, and a good
example of that is like twopodcasts ago you talked about
how the judo team camecollectively and used their
energy to just put smallcontribution to help the big
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brother mentorship Right.
Like that's exactly what Ghanawould want.
Like Ghana would want them totake that outside and even in
their everyday life.
Like what's my best way, mybest use of energy that's why
you see me in sweatpants, bro,because my best use of energy is
like fuck what I'm going towear, I'm just going to be
relaxed and do my work.
I don't want to waste my energyon what I think, so don't give
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me shit for dressing like thistoday.
No, I'm not giving you nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
you're at your house,
you're relaxed man, okay, you
working from home?
Yeah, that's right, so no, it's.
You know, when you, when youinstill into your students to
always play everything forward,that's basically what you're
doing.
You're playing it forward.
You're emptying out your cup,right, and what do I mean by
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empty your cup?
When you're learning, yourinstructor is pouring, think of
it as a philosophy term.
You have your teacup.
Your instructor is pouring teainto your cup, meaning giving
you knowledge, helping you grow,helping you learn.
And then when we say empty yourcup, that means you take your
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cup and you dump it out, meaningthat you pour your cup into
other students, showing teaching, sharing what you've learned.
Now what you've learned.
You could teach it a differentway.
I mean, there's all thesedifferent ways of teaching, but
as long as it goes to the same,it goes to the same point, right
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, it all goes down to the samething that one technique.
But if you look at all theseother techniques, bro, it's like
you got one technique thatcould be changed up four
different ways, five differentways, different entries,
different attacks, differentcombos, exactly, and the outcome
is how does it finish, right?
Yeah, so you know, that's whatI like about.
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That's what I like about notonly training and teaching, but
when you're teaching, it helpsyou learn more, because
everybody's different.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, and I feel like
the goal of a judo instructor
it should be, and I think itencompasses there at South Texas
Judo and hopefully in the restof the judo world is that when
you discipline your body and youdiscipline your mind to use
that maximum energy energy wehope it seeps up to your
everyday life, like like what'sthe best use of energy with my
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kid?
Like how do I spend qualitytime with him, how to spend
quality time with my parents,how to spend quality time at my
work?
Like we hope that thatdiscipline goes there, because
that's why we train, that's whywe put our bodies through
countless times of like falling,falling and getting back up,
getting thrown and throwing andfeeling good and then feeling
shitty.
And I think Kano would reallyappreciate that and I think he
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would really appreciate SouthTexas Judo if he was alive.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I hope so.
I mean we do try to instillbeing respectful with each other
, being humble with each other,working with each other, being a
family, being a really goodcommunity, and not just within
us but also sharing with otherother judo schools.
Judo schools, um, like here intown.
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Uh, patrick likes to talk tosensei author over at, uh, super
for super forties is how hesays it, super forties and uh,
so we, you know, we'll partnerup with them, and then we know
it's like cross training.
And then the one school over atdisciple judo in jernington, um
, you know, helping them learnmore judo and have different
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ways of teaching and learning.
When you're able to collaboratewith another school, you're
actually sharing knowledge.
It's not like, hey, what we sayis the right way, and it's the
say, all you know, be all.
It's not like that's more likehey, what's your opinion, what's
your idea?
You know, like I said,everybody learns different.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
It's just a matter of
how you do it and I feel
judokas I mean at least truejudokas enter conversations with
that mentality.
I know sometimes I enterconversations and it's not a me
versus you, it's more of adiscovery conversation I'm
discovering where you're comingfrom, discover where where I
come from, and kind of blend inthe middle.
I don't care if you'reRepublican, democrat, green
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Party, vegan, meat eater,whatever, it don't matter.
We're all humans and we're alltrying to make the best out of
this life.
Same thing with judo Like I,like higurakana, and I like Judo
because as a kid and we'retalking about philosophy and how
it's helped me.
And then, jerry, I'd like tohear you how Judo has helped you
in your life.
For me, when I was looking intomartial arts, one of them was
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because of my nemesis.
I know I've mentioned it beforein previous podcasts, but
another reason is because HiguroKano was actually a small guy.
He was and you probably hear mein the podcast because of my
voice.
I sound so masculine and tall.
You probably picture me likeyou know, six foot six three,
but I'm not.
I'm five three.
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I'm not a tall guy.
I do have some muscle on me,but it is so easy for me to take
down bigger opponents as asmall guy because of my central
gravity, so small.
So the my best use of mystature and the best use of my
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energy for me was judo and likethat encompasses the philosophy
of judo and also, like I saidbefore, it also helped me
encompass, like, what's my bestuse of my lungs?
Definitely not smoking thisfucking cigarette, you know.
So I quit smoking cigarettesbecause of it, you know.
And then it also helped me buildconfidence because once you
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start winning, yeah, you get alittle cocky, like you know.
Like I said it before, I gotcocky like I didn't lose my
first 50 matches.
Yeah, I'm bragging a little bit, so what?
I worked hard for that, um, butlike it brought me.
So it brought such a new levelof confidence, because growing
up as an immigrant who englishwas a second language, broken
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english, like confidence, notsomething that, that, what to
call that I grew up with in myelementary schools, right, I was
like and my mom doesn't knowhow to speak english, she's
coming to the class, everyone'sgonna everyone's making fun of
me, right because, um, myparents are mongols and I always
thought people that hadenglish-speaking people, uh,
parents had it so easy, you know, because I always have to
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translate, so but that's like,that's how judo's helped me,
like the philosophy of judo.
Jerry, how has judo helped youin your life, besides meeting
this handsome Mexican?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
You know it's it
helped me out If I strictly just
talk about judo.
It helped me out byunderstanding the concept of
every time I get down, there'salways a way to get back up.
There's always options and withjudo, you have to figure out,
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when you're doing randor, whenyou're sparring, whatever Right,
have to figure out when you'redoing randor, when you're
sparring, whatever right, youhave to figure out those options
.
Yes, when you start creatingcombinations, you start thinking
about things right, foot sweeps, throws.
How do I put them together?
How do I make it flow?
And what helped me?
Is this?
The same thing, the samephilosophy is that I bring into
my normal everyday life ingeneral.
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How do I attack my day as soonas I wake up is what I mean.
How do I?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
make my day.
You're really encompassing yourattack on attack.
I am in the day, I ameverything right, and that's how
I look at things.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But it wasn't until
recently and when I say recently
, like two years ago, threeyears ago, maybe you know, it's
know I always say that I didn'treally grow up until I hit like
42, you know, and here I am at45.
So I think about, like the flow, what, year.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
When did you start
judo?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
How young were you?
I was in my 30s.
Oh wow, Really yeah.
When I started judo, when Ifirst started judo, I was like
32, 33.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, Diaz, who was
another student there at South
Texas Judo.
He started judo at 40.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
At 40, right yeah,
but he did karate before that.
He actually did some type ofkarate, fun fact.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
These people know
what's older karate or judo.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
That's where we need
uh, they need to send us a
message and find out.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Judo is older,
established judo is older.
I was doing a little bit ofresearch, which is funny.
I'm gonna say a quick fun factabout karate, if I can, jerry go
ahead.
So karate was actuallyinfluenced by chinese martial
arts, um kung fu, and there wasa max exodus of chinese folks
that flowed to okinawa and inokinawa because of the.
I think at that time japanwasn't still open to the world
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but there was a lot of chineseinfluence there.
Karate was known as the chinesehand, that's what they would
call it right so it was actuallyexiled like japanese frowned
upon people that learned aforeign martial art.
So then a lot of jujitsu folksand a lot of other folks liked
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it and then trained it and thenlater on in the earlier 1900s I
remember judo was in the 1800sthey named it karate, which
means empty hand Okay, which iskind of funny to see.
That, like it was, means emptyhand Okay, which is kind of
funny, interesting.
Like it was named empty hand, sothat's like we name it.
And Karate I mean that thingmeans dome, which means goes
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back to Judo, since we'retalking about philosophy and
history of Judo.
For those folks that don't knowwhat Judo means, and I don't
know why it means that, becauseas a judoka I sometimes don't
think it is, but it's translatedto the gentle way, right.
But some of these throws aren'tvery gentle.
None of them are gentle.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I don't know, I don't
know what happened that they
called it the gentle way, so thereason why it's called the
gentle way is because you'reusing the energy.
Think about it You're usingyour opponent's energy.
When someone pushes, you pull.
When someone pulls, you push.
That's the gentleness of it,because you don't use a lot of
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energy.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Wow, a light bulb
just hit my head, see Third
degree brown bull, and I justrealized this, you guys are
helping me grow too.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I mean, this is
where you have to think about it
right.
When you're looking at whateverstyle of martial art you're in,
think about what you're usingit for.
Is it applicable for youreveryday use?
Meaning like I don't mean yougo out to work and then you
don't you throw a punch yourco-worker because you know I
don't mean you go out to workand then you don't you throw
punch your co-worker because youknow he didn't give you a
report or something, butdefinitely not the gentle way.
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But I mean, like, how do youdevelop, how do you use your
martial arts through your normaleveryday activity?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
yeah, that's what's
also called a gentle way,
because there is striking inkata but higher up, but mostly
it's not striking.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Mostly it's take down
.
Yeah, you're just taking down,you're not?
Physically throwing elbows,exactly, you're not throwing
punches.
If you're in kata right, whenyou move up in rank from shodan,
nidan, further up, yourkata-based performance is more
of a self-defense.
And when someone is coming atyou with an attack punching,
swinging a stick kata-basedperformance is more of a
self-defense.
And when someone is coming atyou with an attack punching,
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swinging a stick, whatever rightKicking You're doing techniques
that you're not throwingpunching or kicking headbutts or
elbows.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
You're countering
with by grabbing and doing a
sweeping or a takedown or athrow.
Yes, wow, yes Wow, yeah.
Well, see, we're all learningsomething here, listeners.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
But 360 combat.
Judo is not about the gentleway.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, well, I mean, I
think there is a common theme
amongst all martial arts, and Idon't know what encompasses a
martial arts.
Would you consider boxing amartial arts?
Yes, yeah, I would too.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's a combative art,
but it's still classified under
a martial arts.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I would
consider it martial arts too,
but I think most of them havelike have two main principles.
It's like how to attack and howto defend, Right.
That's like the outline of mostmartial arts.
I can't think of any martialarts that doesn't well, have
those two in.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
In reality, martial
arts is not really how to attack
.
Your martial arts is how todefend.
In all styles of the wholereason of martial arts was
because the basis is how do Idefend myself?
And back then it was more likenot like clans like you would
(29:43):
think.
Oh, like a ninja clan here, aninja clan there?
No, nothing like that.
Right, but it's more likefamily based, a family's style
of martial art.
That's right versus anotherstyle of another.
Family is a style of themartial art and it could be
something similar, but there'sdifferent ways of doing it.
And so they're defending notonly themselves, but they're
(30:06):
defending their family, becausethey don't want to have a bad
name Right, or be put down inany way.
So the whole concept was familyagainst family.
That's right, right.
It was more like hey, my kungfu is better than your kung fu.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And then you say,
well, let's go to the streets
and prove it and similar waslike that for judo, which is
like the jiu-jitsu not thebrazilian jiu-jitsu that we all
know now japanese jiu-jitsu,such a japanese jiu-jitsu.
But they had different schools,like that, the ro you or out ru
, right you, right, you Like.
They all had different kinds.
And actually Higuro Kano mylimited research I did before
(30:39):
the podcast is that he waslearning under this really,
really brilliant man I forgothis name Starts with an F and
that guy ended up dying twoyears into his training and then
gave the dojo over to him toKano, and Kano was like what the
fuck?
I'm still a student like I don'tknow this shit like so he tried
to teach, but he's like hell,no, I'm still a student, I'm
(31:01):
gonna go find another teacher.
And he went to find anotherteacher and that's the teacher
that in that type of jujitsu.
Jujitsu concentrated ontakedowns and locks.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Okay so then if
you're looking at traditional
Japanese Jiu Jitsu, in reality,traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu
is a form of Karate, becauseyou're doing strikes, you're
doing takedowns, you're doingarm bars, you're doing chokes
and you're doing groundtechniques.
So when Kano learned that,that's when he developed the
(31:35):
judo part of it.
Well, I can still do the samething, but I can throw you, I
can add throws, I can add footsweeps, I can do this, I can do
that.
That's what came up with the 62throws of judo.
Yeah, right, before theybutchered it, before they
butchered it later on.
So the whole 62 throws wasyou're able to take down your
(31:59):
opponent go into groundtechniques, immobilize them,
doing your counters Becausethere's three types of counters,
if you think about it, and it'sall in all martial arts.
One counter is striking, onecounter is a takedown and the
other counter is a submission.
Submission meaning like wristlock, arm bar, choke, takedown,
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any type of way you can takeyour opponent down and encounter
by striking any type ofstriking technique Head, butt,
punch, elbow, knee, kick, right.
So in Japanese Jiu-Jitsu therewas all that.
But Kano didn't really focus onthe striking end of it.
He focused on a lot of thetakedowns, the grappling, the
(32:44):
joint manipulation, the chokes,all of that.
It wasn't until when he spreadit out.
That's when, you know, you gotBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu, where they
focus strictly on just theground techniques, out of judo,
and then you go to sambo, whichis in russia.
They they did wrestling, boxingand then judo.
So they incorporated all thetakedowns and the ground
(33:06):
techniques with their wrestlingand boxing.
But then sambo even evolvedeven more, because now it's like
they added instead of boxingit's kickboxing.
So now there's headbutts andelbow strikes and knee strikes
and kicking and then punchingand then grabbing and throwing
them down and then sambo.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Right, combat sambo,
yeah, but the crazy thing about
combat sambo is like you don'tget points for that.
No, it helps you it helps, orlike tap you out, but you don't
score points for like punchesit's like, oh, that's a rough
sport.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
But in, in reality,
if you think about, if you
really sit down and you look andyou analyze, there's judo in
almost every style of martialart.
Look at muay thai.
Muay thai does clenchingtechniques.
Yeah, right, and not onlythey're using clenching
techniques for their kneestrikes, their elbow strikes,
but then they rotate their hipsa certain way and then you have
(33:57):
an uchimata, yeah, or the uhoguruma, the big wheel, right.
So there's those techniquesthat they have there.
They even have osoto and mutaiyeah, it's done differently.
Yeah right, so judo's in almostevery style, including krav maga
.
I'm tired of everyone saying,oh, krav maga, this probably I
(34:20):
understand it is good.
It's a good israeli combat.
They really focus to reallytrain.
I see it, I enjoy it, I like it.
But when it comes down toteaching, when it comes down to
teaching people that are indomestic violence or sexual
abuse or sexual assault or raped, you don't want to teach your
(34:42):
student by yelling at them allthe time because they they break
down.
So it it.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Different styles are
good for people, people that
want certain things, they trainin it yeah, especially like,
especially going back to, as allof you listeners know, in case
for any new listeners andhopefully we do have a bunch of
them reminder to click thatdownload button.
It helps us continue producingthese types of podcasts for you.
(35:08):
But we, jerry and I Jerry isthe founder of Healing Warrior
Academy.
It is a nonprofit that helpscreate discipline and confidence
for survivors of domesticviolence, survivors of human
trafficking and for low-incomefolks that just don't have the
privilege that a lot of otherfolks have.
(35:30):
So it's up and going.
It's hit some roadblocks, buthey, where'd you took us?
You throw us down, we're goingto get back up.
So it's going and going.
It's hit some roadblocks, buthey, where'd you took us?
You throw us down, we're goingto get back up.
So it's going to be back up, sowe're back up.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But I'm going to tell
you something right now.
Sure, where are we making afirst step this weekend?
Hell yeah.
So this Saturday I got togetherwith, I had a meeting with the
through project.
Now, what is the Thru Project?
This is an organization thathelps out young adults.
(36:01):
I need to stop saying kids right, they're young adults from 18
to 25.
And the reason being they helpout that age bracket is because
those are the kids and that'swhere I'm going to say kids that
age out of foster care.
Nobody adopts them.
They don't get adopted, theydon't have a family, they're in
(36:26):
the system and once they get itup to 18, most organizations
hand them, like a check for $500or $500 cash and say okay, good
luck, make it on your own.
Look, make it on your own.
The Thru Project helps them goto college, find a job, get bus
pass so they can go to their job, supply them with a cell phone,
as long as they follow therules that you know if they call
(36:47):
them, they have to respond.
They help them with furnitureto furnish their apartments.
They help them with groceries.
So they help these youngstudents or these young adults
try to make it on their own andto achieve and to grow.
Well, I'm going to be workingwith them this Saturday on a
(37:09):
self-defense workshop, and Icalled it a self-defense
workshop because I want them toget interested first before
saying, yes, I want to do aclass.
So this is where we plant thatseed.
Why is self-defense more soimportant for the through
project?
It's important because thoseyoung adults end up falling into
(37:31):
some type of domesticrelationship.
They fall into some type ofsexual abuse.
They do fall into humantrafficking because they don't
know what to do.
They didn't have a family toteach them, and so this is our
first step.
I made the point to where Itold the organization that I
(37:54):
don't want to get paid for this.
I want them to make a donationto Healing Warrior Academy, and
this is our first step.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And that's also
encompassing to our theme of
this podcast, which is thephilosophy in judo and even in
today's modern life.
I think two things toextrapolate from what you said
is modern, like I think twothings to extrapolate from what
you said is one is you said thatyou wanted them to get
interested before they take aclass and I think that's the
maximum way to use the energy,because if they're not
(38:25):
interested, they're not going toreally come to class and
sometimes they need to come toclass more than once or twice to
get that.
I know that happened to me andmy little one with hockey.
At first he didn't want to andnow look at him in travel teams
yeah um, but the same thing goesfor them that's the maximum
energy.
And then two maximum energyagain is like oh, now we're
(38:45):
going to get these financialfunds, what's the best use,
what's the best maximum energyof this financial funds, and you
send it to healing warrioracademy, and I think those are
great examples of Judophilosophy there.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, because I mean,
I'm not here to try and make a
buck off of some people.
That's the last thing I want todo.
What I want to do is I want togive back.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Not that there's
anything wrong with making a
buck or two.
We all need to live.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, we all need to
live, but the whole concept of
this is that if I'm able to giveback, let me rephrase that, let
me change that If we are ableto give back, okay, then more
will come our way.
And that's what I want.
I want people to see what we'redoing, how we're helping out
(39:31):
others, and then that allows usto grow and keep giving back to
the community.
That's the way judo is.
That's the way it's supposed tobe and that's the way martial
arts in general is supposed tobe.
I was so disgusted over theweekend uh, last week I remember
I sent you that text.
Oh, I know the taekwondo guyhere in san antonio he was an
(39:53):
was an instructor and he endedup sexually assaulting a child,
you know, touching himinappropriately, making comments
, and then, because the studentwasn't into it, then he started
bullying the student and that'sno way he was arrested.
The family pressed charges, hewas arrested and then now he's
(40:18):
being sentenced.
So he's, you know, he's beingdetained for that and that and
that's what that gives martialarts a bad rep.
And that's why, with HealingWarrior Academy, we're going to
make it known that everyinstructor that comes in they
get a background check, thatevery instructor that comes in
they get a background check,they have to take classes and if
(40:38):
anything was to go awry they'reautomatically terminated, plain
and simple.
I mean, I'm not going to haveany.
Yeah, zero tolerance for thatI'm going to have zero tolerance
for that.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, and it's
important that people come to
the safe space and that theyknow that people go through
background checks space and thatthey know that people go
through back to backgroundchecks, because it's so sad that
in this place, where you'relearning how to defend and
attack yourself, not only do youget beat up physically but you
also get beat up mentally,because the trauma that that
brings with you, um, can be veryheavy.
(41:11):
So, um, I encourage a lot of uh, I was a big machista in the
terms of, like I don't needtherapy, I don't need to talk to
a therapist.
I still think I don't need totalk to a therapist.
I mean, my therapist says, likeI'm pretty, like you know,
level headed and level-headed,so it's good, but I do it
because I want to encourageeveryone else to do it, and in
(41:33):
other countries it's normal.
Most people have therapists.
In a lot of countries, most andI mean both women and men all
have therapists.
Like that's part of like theireveryday life.
And I think it's importantbecause, just like we're born
with these hands, just becausewe have hands doesn't mean I can
throw a punch or know how tothrow a punch.
(41:54):
The same thing with ourfeelings Just because we have
feelings doesn't mean I canthrow a punch or know how to
throw a punch.
The same thing with ourfeelings Just because we have
feelings doesn't mean that weknow how to navigate through
them.
And having that therapy sessionand having people walk you
through that therapy helps youunderstand how to navigate those
feelings.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Well, at the same
time too, if you don't feel like
you want to go to therapy ordon't want to go to a counselor,
doing martial arts in a safeplace gives you that release.
You know we all need an outlet.
I need my outlet.
Like over the weekend I was sofrustrated and fuming that, you
(42:31):
know, today, after doing class,I felt so much better and
because I was able to train, Iwas able to teach and I felt so
good.
You know what I mean.
So that's my outlet, and all ofus need an outlet.
Rather, we think we don't needit, we need it.
What is your outlet?
It doesn't have to be martialarts.
(42:52):
It could be lifting weights, itcould be working out.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And to add to what
Jerry's saying, is, like, what's
a productive outlet?
Because most people getaddicted to like these dopamine
rushes, which is, like, well, myoutlet is I'm going to stare at
Instagram reels for like 30minutes, yeah, and like you make
that excuse, but it's reallynot a healthy outlet.
As a matter of fact, it'sbecoming an addiction to you.
I was listening to a podcastlast YouTube, the Diary of the
(43:21):
CEO.
Of course you guys haven'theard of it, but he is
interviewing this clinicalpsychologist and the host asked
the clinical psychologist dopeople get addicted to working
out?
To ask, the clinicalpsychologist was like, do people
get addicted to working out?
And the clinical psychiatristsays, like, yes, they do, but
(43:42):
it's very rare, because workingout is hard and, like your brain
doesn't like it, so, like, so Ithought it was really cool to
like understand that because,like, sometimes our brains don't
like hard things, but doinghard things is what helps us
navigate through your everydaylife.
Because, like we've said itbefore here, jerry can throw me,
(44:04):
I can throw him, patrick canthrow us, we can throw him, but
ain't no one going to throw usharder than life, right?
And if we don't know how to getback up.
We don't know how to navigatethose feelings.
If we're not disciplined enough, we can stay down there.
So again, I'm a big proponentof training martial arts, moving
your body, doing some cumbiadance and salsa dance, whatever
(44:27):
it is, but get active, move andencompass the philosophy.
And it's important if you dojoin any martial arts.
We are so blessed with all thistechnology and cursed at the
same time, but let's takeadvantage of it.
If you join muay thai, learn alittle bit about Muay Thai.
Give the martial arts itsproper respect.
(44:48):
Learn a little bit about judo,like fact check um.
So yeah, that's kind of like mygo-to things.
I know we're running close toan hour so I kind of want to end
our podcast by asking Jerry,and maybe next podcast, jerry
can ask me a question.
Okay, hold on.
Before you ask that question,I'm gonna pause because Jerry
has something to say.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
I can see it in his
eyes before you ask that
question, I do want to say thisI have a uh, a little student.
She's like nine, I want to saymaybe nine, ten years old.
Her name's little adrian.
I just want to give her aspecial shout out and a good
luck Shout out.
This weekend, this comingweekend, she's going to be
(45:30):
competing in state for wrestling, and so she, her and I, did a
workout.
Her dad was there as well andwe were doing some drills.
I was incorporating some judointo her wrestling, some drills.
(45:51):
I was incorporating some judointo her wrestling and she, you
know afterwards, I mean, my legswere on fire because she's tiny
, so I'm having to shoot down,right.
And so then we ended up doingsome stick fighting.
I started introducing her intosome some Kali and Eskrima and
using the footwork, and then Iintroduced the footwork, and
then I introduced the footworkand collie how it's similar to
judo, and she was able to pickit up really well.
(46:13):
So I just want to give her aspecial shout out hey, good luck
on the tournament this comingweekend.
I wish you the best and I keepyour head up, breathe and I know
you will do well.
You, you got this.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Also hopefully it's
this weekend by the next podcast
you can give us the results ofwhat happened.
Yeah, I will, maybe she cangive our listeners some word of
advice, since she's out therewrestling being a little female
judoka.
Yeah, hopefully.
Let's see how that goes.
Here's my fun question.
Tell me your question, allright, and then you can ask me
(46:47):
another fun question.
Next podcast what do you thinka better combination is karate
and judo, or judo or boxing?
Oh, that's a good one what doyou think a better combination?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
so a combination
would be a like you, learn both
martial arts right, but judoisn't one of them, it's either
than both of them.
Right, it's either boxing andjudo or karate and judo.
Right, you can only learn two.
Okay, I would say karate andjudo.
Okay, the footwork in karateand in judo there's similarities
(47:33):
.
For instance, in a boxingstance, you're standing somewhat
in your let's just say your.
Your right foot is back, yourleft foot is forward.
You're almost in a square shapeposition, almost in a square
stance, and then you got yourleft.
Your left foot is forward.
You're almost in a square shapeposition, almost in a square
stance, and then you got yourleft, your left arm out, your
right arm back, and then you'rethrowing your jabs, but you're
(47:55):
staying there and you looks likerock them, suck them, but
robots, nobody's moving out ofthe way, unless you get like a
Mayweather, which is justdodging and weaving, but his
footwork is still the samesquare stance, dodging and
weaving, but his footwork isstill the same Square stance,
right, slightly, with his rightfoot a little bit back.
Now, in karate, they teach youhow to be not only training to
(48:16):
punch with your dominant side,but also teaching you how to
change your position to punch onyour non-dominant side.
Now, that being said that whenyou're doing certain techniques
I'm going to go through this asan example.
Let's just say a step side kick.
A step side kick is when you'restanding in a position, my back
(48:40):
leg, which would be my left leg, is stepping behind my right
leg.
Having my heel point to mytarget, my right leg is going to
come up in chamber, extendkicking with the blade of the
foot, bringing it back standingdown.
That's my step side kick.
Now, where's the similarity thatin judo?
(49:02):
In judo, if you were to grabyour opponent and you cinch in
and you're stepping with yourright foot, your right foot is
in between their legs.
Your back foot, meaning yourleft leg, steps like a Kazushi,
off balance.
Then you can go with a.
You can hit anything.
(49:22):
You can hit with an Ouchi,tayotoshi, a Tayotoshi.
You can hit with a Uchimata.
You can hit with a Hani Ogoshi,you can hit with an Ogoshi.
That same footwork is similarto karate and there's a lot of
(49:42):
karate movements that I used todo.
That, when it comes down to,when I started training again
with Patrick, that I was alllike, ah, that makes sense, it
makes a lot more sense.
And if I do it this way, oreven when I was doing the Kali
system right and the pyramidfootwork, or the diamond
(50:04):
footwork, or what they call theW footwork.
Me using the footwork there alsoresembles some of the judo
takedowns, some of the entriesthat you would use for off
balance.
You don't have that in boxing.
In boxing, you're just standingthere.
There's no footwork that wouldhelp you in your judo.
Now don't get me wrong.
(50:26):
You're a good boxer.
You throw those hands.
You're gonna get clocked.
If someone tries to grab melike if I try grabbing a boxer
and I don't, he has nothing forme to grab or I miss a grab, he
can easily punch me straight andknock me out.
Right, although, glenn, what'shis name?
Um, ah, the hell is his name.
(50:47):
I can Google it.
What does he look like?
He was.
He's an older gentleman now.
His name is.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Was he a boxer.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
No, he was a judoka,
famous Starts with a G.
It's like right there, glenn,or Glenn LaBelle, glenn LaBelle,
there you go.
He fought a boxer, he fought aboxer and they wanted to prove
(51:15):
what's better, judo or boxing.
Now, granted, the boxer wasable to strike him at all.
He was able to do it.
Glenn was able to.
He could punch back if hewanted, but he chose, chose not
to, and he was able to throw theboxer down, and then he was
able to put him in a submission,and then that was.
The match was over, right?
So it goes back to how do you,how can you, blend those arts
(51:39):
together?
And it's hard for a boxer toblend the footwork in for judo,
yep.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Okay, I thought you
were going to say because of the
kicks.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
No, no, it's the
footwork.
In reality, your main thing inevery martial art is footwork.
You have to have footwork.
Where do you place your foot?
Where do you go for that entry?
Where are you going?
Think about, and let's go withthe simplest takedown Osoto gari
(52:13):
, big outside, reap.
What's your footwork have to be?
You have to step here on theside of me, right, not in front,
right.
You have to get actually righton the side of me.
You have to hit me with thatshoulder to make me lean back,
and then your other leg isripping, reaping my leg,
sweeping my leg.
So you're doing a big technique, you're doing a big entry.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Which is similar to a
lot of karate, where you zigzag
in.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Zigzag or you could
do, into a forward stance.
You're doing that, steppingforward into that forward stance
.
There's a similarity there,right?
You're doing that, steppingforward into that forward stance
.
There's a similarity there,right.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
There's all this
footwork that plays a big staple
.
What about the training andcondition between boxing and
karate?
You don't think that plays anaspect in your decision?
Yes, I do, because I'm feelingand I could be naive.
I haven't really dabbled myselfwith karate, but I'm assuming
that boxers have better cardiothan karate folks.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Depends on what
career school you go to.
There's some guys in Japan that, like you know, they train
outside in their gi in the snow,wearing shoes and standing
underneath waterfalls.
And you know I mean, look atour conditioning in judo class.
You know it's a little bit moreintense than jujitsu class, but
(53:34):
then again, who's theinstructor?
You know what I mean.
It all depends.
It all depends on what you want.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
But in my, in my
opinion, when not that I'm
advocating for judo and I just Iwas just genuinely curious.
Like while I was doing someresearch, I thought about it, I
was like, oh, and by the way,listeners, we don't like, we
don't dry run these podcasts, no, we literally get a topic and
we just talk with you all,that's it, that's it so like
jerry had no idea this questionwas coming.
(54:02):
No, it's just off the cuff, likewhat pops in our head, just
like in martial arts, like weknow stuff and based on what we
throw and based on what we do isbased on our attack or our
defense tactics.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Well, what would you
say?
How would you answer thisquestion then?
I mean, you actually had timeto do that.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Is that your question
?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
No, it's my question
right now, today.
I'll give you a questiontomorrow.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Or next time we do it
.
I don't know.
It's a hard one for me to ask,but if I had to pick, I would
pick Hold on.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Why is that hard for
you to answer?
But yet you wanted to ask methat question.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
Because that was your
question, it's not my question
I would say boxing.
I would go the opposite, really, I would say it.
I would go the opposite, really, mm-hmm.
I would say, just because I'vealways wanted to learn boxing,
and I think we're going todisagree on this.
I think if you put a boxer in ajudoka versus 10 boxers that
(55:01):
really know boxing, really knowjudo, against 10 karate folks
and 10 judoka folks that knowjudo, karate and judo, I think
boxing and judo against 10karate folks and 10 judoka folks
uh, that know judo and karateand judo, I think boxing and
judo would win, because I feelthat the karate, the in and out
style of karate, is really goodand I liked your angle of
footwork because I didn't thinkabout that, so that might change
(55:21):
the way I think.
But for boxing and judo, likewe don't, we're okay with closed
spaces okay.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
So there's a little.
There's a little thing that Iheard a long time, but when I
was in my journey, right, and itwas a, it was more like how do
you beat a guy who's good withtheir hands, meaning like a
boxer, right?
How do you beat a guy that'sgood at boxing, be really good
with your feet?
Exactly how do you beat a guywho's really good with their
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feet, really good with yourhands?
Exactly because you jam up thekicks right Now.
This is where you startincorporating other stuff.
So how do you beat a guy who'sgood with both hands and feet?
Well, I would say, in this time, you take him down to the
ground.
Oh, that's true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, take him downto the ground.
Yeah, how do you beat a guywho's good at going to the
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ground?
Take him back up, keep himstanding up, the whole push-pull
method, bro.
This is where you startthinking about it.
If a karate player is good withhis hands and his feet and then
you incorporate a clenching, agrappling art, a boxer is good
with his hands and then he'sincorporating with a grappling
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art.
Yeah, it could work, but akarate guy could also use his
feet and his knees.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
And where a boxer
doesn't think about that, but
that's why I give the advantageof the boxer, because it's
maximum use of energy.
Like karate's have so much tothink about that.
They don't become experts onone thing and a judo and a
boxing becomes an expert atfucking throwing punches and
taking you down.
So they're not worried aboutgetting kneed or kicked because
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even if they close range, youain't gonna generate that much
power to throw an effective kickor an effective knee.
Um, because this is just mytrain of thought, because I've
focused all my energy to be areally, really good boxer, I
didn't divide my energy and likeboxing, kicking knee in and out
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, like, so like for me, I couldbe wrong.
I'm by no means an expert onmartial arts and one martial
arts combination can be, butthat's kind of my.
I don't think you can go wrongwith either.
So if you guys are planning tojoin karate, join it.
If you guys are planning tojoin boxing, join it.
Like we, jerry and I can bothagree that you should probably
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join judo, because judo isbasically on both of them.
You should probably join judo.
Because judo is basically onboth of them.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
You know what I was
doing, some thinking about this
a couple weeks ago because,doing the whole combat judo, the
extra class that we're addingin, right, I was trying to think
how can I make this work toincorporate blocking techniques,
striking techniques, legtechniques?
And that's when I startedthinking about okay, how was it
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when I was training, how was itwhen I was doing a stand-up
striking art, meaning the Jukidosystem and the Kenpo and the
Kali and the Wing Chun, when Iwas doing all those stand-up
striking arts, what was similarand the one thing that came into
my mind was the footwork.
So if you're able to start offa student who doesn't know
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anything and you say let's workon your footwork, it's like
dancing.
You work dancing by the feet infootwork, right?
How do you do the box trot?
How do you do the tango?
How do you do the salsa, themerengue, the pachata,
everything right.
Country dancing, the countryslide, the country waltz,
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there's all these dances right,and at the same time it's all
footwork and it's differenttypes of footwork, which is a
similarity in all martial artsFootwork.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Well, there you have
it all right, guys, hey, we're
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Um, alejandro is gonna be outof town next week.
We may end up doing a facetimeor zoom uh recording, unless he
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All right, anything to saybefore I close it.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
No, that's it.
Go beyond gold your gentle ways.
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